Comments on: Conservatives Label Fitzgerald A Failure, Ignoring His Record Of Successful Terrorism Prosecutions http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/ Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:20:10 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Snowball http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5407254 Snowball Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:55:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5407254 Well, he did fail to indict Karl Rove. Well, he did fail to indict Karl Rove.

]]> By: ElBruce http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406908 ElBruce Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:42:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406908 What exactly is a "national investigation?" From what I can tell, it's just one that the MSM takes interest in, and/or which they can recall off the top of their head. By a standard of scope, Fitz has successfully prosecuted a number of cases that count as being more "national" than the Blago indictment. And he did get a conviction with Libby. Furthermore, I don't see how he could lose the Blago trial, given the degree of evidence he's got. So the question is not will he go 0 for 2 but will he go 2 for 2, not counting all the other ones he's slamdunked? What exactly is a “national investigation?” From what I can tell, it’s just one that the MSM takes interest in, and/or which they can recall off the top of their head. By a standard of scope, Fitz has successfully prosecuted a number of cases that count as being more “national” than the Blago indictment. And he did get a conviction with Libby. Furthermore, I don’t see how he could lose the Blago trial, given the degree of evidence he’s got. So the question is not will he go 0 for 2 but will he go 2 for 2, not counting all the other ones he’s slamdunked?

]]> By: curious http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406436 curious Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:44:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406436 Who cares what conservatives say? They always hit out at anyone they think might do them some damage. And someone who already has. Fitzgerald is someone they fear. He is totally honest. And they are trying to get out ahead by hitting him with a lot of verbal garbage. They are trying to discredit him before he gets started. They hope to neutralize him before he starts any investigation. This is typical BS. Which means it is typical Republican. Who cares what conservatives say? They always hit out at anyone they think might do them some damage. And someone who already has. Fitzgerald is someone they fear. He is totally honest. And they are trying to get out ahead by hitting him with a lot of verbal garbage. They are trying to discredit him before he gets started. They hope to neutralize him before he starts any investigation.

This is typical BS. Which means it is typical Republican.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406344 ralph the wonder llama Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:15:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406344 How in any conceivable sense is Fitzgerald "0 for 2"? He got convictions for Scooter on four of five felony counts. Wingnuts, of course, insisted that "no crime had been committed". If that were so, then Fitzgerald should not have been able to deliver a verdict, in which case a failure to convict should not have been held against him (if, that is, the real world mimicked the fantasy world of wingnuts and there had been no convictions). The fact that Scooter is not in jail right now has NOTHING to do with Fitzgerald's effectiveness as a prosecutor, and everything to do with Bush's pathological inability to accept consequences for his (and his friends') actions. How in any conceivable sense is Fitzgerald “0 for 2″?

He got convictions for Scooter on four of five felony counts. Wingnuts, of course, insisted that “no crime had been committed”. If that were so, then Fitzgerald should not have been able to deliver a verdict, in which case a failure to convict should not have been held against him (if, that is, the real world mimicked the fantasy world of wingnuts and there had been no convictions).

The fact that Scooter is not in jail right now has NOTHING to do with Fitzgerald’s effectiveness as a prosecutor, and everything to do with Bush’s pathological inability to accept consequences for his (and his friends’) actions.

]]> By: wiley http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406258 wiley Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:45:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406258 Preemptive projection. Preemptive projection.

]]> By: CParis http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406226 CParis Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:30:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406226 <em>shoeless Says: Patrick Fitzgerald might not be afraid of terrorists, but he isn’t crazy enough to mess with those two.</em> Damn straight! Especially not while Chimp in Chief still has 15 days left to declare him an <strong>enemy combatant</strong> and have him renditioned to some black site in one of the 'Stans. shoeless Says:
Patrick Fitzgerald might not be afraid of terrorists, but he isn’t crazy enough to mess with those two.

Damn straight! Especially not while Chimp in Chief still has 15 days left to declare him an enemy combatant and have him renditioned to some black site in one of the ‘Stans.

]]> By: ElBruce http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406200 ElBruce Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:20:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406200 <em>shoeless Says: Patrick Fitzgerald might not be afraid of terrorists, but he isn’t crazy enough to mess with those two.</em> Not without a lot more hard evidence than he had at the time. And possibly Secret Service protection. shoeless Says:

Patrick Fitzgerald might not be afraid of terrorists, but he isn’t crazy enough to mess with those two.

Not without a lot more hard evidence than he had at the time. And possibly Secret Service protection.

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406152 impeachcheneythenbush Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:01:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406152 I concur with those commenters who think Fitzgerald has pending evidence on both Rove and Cheney, and perhaps only biding his time to indict them...after Bush is in no position to pardon them or commute any more of these criminal's sentences. I concur with those commenters who think Fitzgerald has pending evidence on both Rove and Cheney, and perhaps only biding his time to indict them…after Bush is in no position to pardon them or commute any more of these criminal’s sentences.

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406108 shoeless Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:51:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406108 Exactly! Any prosecution of Libby for treason would have necessarily indicted Cheney and Rove. Patrick Fitzgerald might not be afraid of terrorists, but he isn't crazy enough to mess with those two. Exactly! Any prosecution of Libby for treason would have necessarily indicted Cheney and Rove. Patrick Fitzgerald might not be afraid of terrorists, but he isn’t crazy enough to mess with those two.

]]> By: LiberalVoter http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406102 LiberalVoter Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:47:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406102 Clean house Fitzgerald, Right or Left. If there is enough evidence to take them to trial, haul them in. Accountability may be on the way back in. I really hope so. Taking the criminals to trial is a great use of my tax dollars and I fully support it. Clean house Fitzgerald, Right or Left. If there is enough evidence to take them to trial, haul them in. Accountability may be on the way back in. I really hope so. Taking the criminals to trial is a great use of my tax dollars and I fully support it.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406100 The Republic of Stupidity Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:46:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406100 Leftside Annie Says: True success would have been a conviction for treason, IMO. _____________ Good point... if he had gotten Libby on treason, he might have also gotten another half-dozen or so Admin big fry on conspiracy charges too. But conspiracy is hard to prove. Siiiiiigh... we can only hope. Amazing level of gall on BigDick's part, openly admitting he was behind Plame's outing. It's almost as though that ginormous *ss h0le was DARING someone to do something about it. Leftside Annie Says:

True success would have been a conviction for treason, IMO.
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Good point… if he had gotten Libby on treason, he might have also gotten another half-dozen or so Admin big fry on conspiracy charges too. But conspiracy is hard to prove. Siiiiiigh… we can only hope.

Amazing level of gall on BigDick’s part, openly admitting he was behind Plame’s outing. It’s almost as though that ginormous *ss h0le was DARING someone to do something about it.

]]> By: Jackie http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406086 Jackie Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:42:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406086 Yes it's a smart move on the Republican's part as they should FEAR Patrick J. Fitzgerald and his team. Libby was only the beginning as Fitz said in court. There's a cloud over Dick Cheney and Rove while baby Fitz really never filed all the charges against Libby. Yes folks Fitz is a dangerous Proecutor as he has more charges against Libby and this time there's no President Bush to save him from jail. Like the game of Poker, Pat Fitzgerald still has many Ace's in his deck of cards. Rove is so afraid of Fitz he sings about him, Cheney shot his friend while thinking about Fitz. Yes it’s a smart move on the Republican’s part as they should FEAR Patrick J. Fitzgerald and his team. Libby was only the beginning as Fitz said in court. There’s a cloud over Dick Cheney and Rove while baby Fitz really never filed all the charges against Libby. Yes folks Fitz is a dangerous Proecutor as he has more charges against Libby and this time there’s no President Bush to save him from jail. Like the game of Poker, Pat Fitzgerald still has many Ace’s in his deck of cards. Rove is so afraid of Fitz he sings about him, Cheney shot his friend while thinking about Fitz.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406062 Leftside Annie Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:25:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406062 13 - I deliberately left out "successfully", TROS, because I actually don't consider his prosecution of Libby a "success." Yes, he got Libby nailed for a few relatively minor charges... <strong>True </strong>success would have been a conviction for treason, IMO. 13 – I deliberately left out “successfully”, TROS, because I actually don’t consider his prosecution of Libby a “success.” Yes, he got Libby nailed for a few relatively minor charges…

True success would have been a conviction for treason, IMO.

]]> By: tanglewood http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406060 tanglewood Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:25:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406060 Joe Scarborough is a stunningly stupid, stupid, ignorant man. He is petty and he never lets facts get in his way. Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuted and got the former Governor of Illinois Ryan a new address in prison......where he happens to sit today. Joe and Hume are too lazy to do any research. Mika's father should have said he was "stunningly stupid" as well as ignorant. Joe Scarborough is a stunningly stupid, stupid, ignorant man. He is petty and he never lets facts get in his way. Patrick Fitzgerald prosecuted and got the former Governor of Illinois Ryan a new address in prison……where he happens to sit today. Joe and Hume are too lazy to do any research.

Mika’s father should have said he was “stunningly stupid” as well as ignorant.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406046 The Republic of Stupidity Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:16:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406046 nellre Says: I think they know they’re lying. I think, since this is TV news, and misrepresented to the public as fact, these guys should be prosecuted for fraud. At lease false advertising. Something! ______________ Don't forget... Fox actually sued in court over the right to lie, and won. nellre Says:

I think they know they’re lying. I think, since this is TV news, and misrepresented to the public as fact, these guys should be prosecuted for fraud. At lease false advertising. Something!
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Don’t forget… Fox actually sued in court over the right to lie, and won.

]]> By: ElBruce http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406026 ElBruce Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:08:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406026 <em>PatrioticLiberalChristian Says: The Malkins of the world have their own version of Descartes philosophy: “I think, therefore, everyone else thinks like I do”. The way they describe how others think and act is precisely how they think and act. Malkin would turn on FOX or anyone else if it was to her advantage.</em> I doubt if Malkin or any of her ilk subscribe to any philosophy containing the words "I think." But yeah, there's a direct causal relationship between their evil and their paranoia - they justify being evil by the fact that everyone else is obviously out to get them. As in, "I need to carry a gun everywhere so I can defend myself against all the gun-carrying criminals," or "nothing's a crime when it's in service of the war on terror." PatrioticLiberalChristian Says:

The Malkins of the world have their own version of Descartes philosophy: “I think, therefore, everyone else thinks like I do”. The way they describe how others think and act is precisely how they think and act. Malkin would turn on FOX or anyone else if it was to her advantage.

I doubt if Malkin or any of her ilk subscribe to any philosophy containing the words “I think.” But yeah, there’s a direct causal relationship between their evil and their paranoia – they justify being evil by the fact that everyone else is obviously out to get them. As in, “I need to carry a gun everywhere so I can defend myself against all the gun-carrying criminals,” or “nothing’s a crime when it’s in service of the war on terror.”

]]> By: nellre http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406024 nellre Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:07:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406024 Are these guys delusional or are they bald faced lying? I think they know they're lying. I think, since this is TV news, and misrepresented to the public as fact, these guys should be prosecuted for fraud. At lease false advertising. Something! Let's ask Obama to address this issue, get some laws passed, so we can tell these guys they are off the air if they don't clean up their act. Are these guys delusional or are they bald faced lying?
I think they know they’re lying. I think, since this is TV news, and misrepresented to the public as fact, these guys should be prosecuted for fraud. At lease false advertising. Something!
Let’s ask Obama to address this issue, get some laws passed, so we can tell these guys they are off the air if they don’t clean up their act.

]]> By: CParis http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5406008 CParis Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:59:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5406008 <em>Nevar Says: Fitzgerald likely has a bulging briefcase of evidence.</em> Yup! What is the <strong>G</strong>ang <strong>O</strong> <strong>P</strong>irates' endgame on this one? Scooter is old news, which Repug is in Fitzerald's sights now? Nevar Says:

Fitzgerald likely has a bulging briefcase of evidence.

Yup! What is the Gang O Pirates’ endgame on this one? Scooter is old news, which Repug is in Fitzerald’s sights now?

]]> By: Xisithrus http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5405974 Xisithrus Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:39:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5405974 Pundits are right about as often as total eclipses of the sun. It makes no sense to listen to them unless your wanting to be misinformed. If you read the paper your misinformed and if you listen to pundits you will double your misinformation. -A reworked quote from Mark Twain Pundits are right about as often as total eclipses of the sun. It makes no sense to listen to them unless your wanting to be misinformed.

If you read the paper your misinformed and if you listen to pundits you will double your misinformation. -A reworked quote from Mark Twain

]]> By: Roket http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/comment-page-1/#comment-5405966 Roket Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:34:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/05/conservatives-attack-fitzgerald/#comment-5405966 Bring in the clowns. Bring in the clowns.

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