Bush will use federal funds to install security gate to protect his Dallas home.
Bush will use federal funds to install security gate to protect his Dallas home.
After he leaves office on Jan. 20, President Bush will be giving up his photo-op Crawford ranch and moving to the affluent Dallas neighborhood known as Preston Hollow. Newsweek noted that the Bush family has “found a friendly pocket” in a Texas county that went for Obama. But Bush isn’t taking any chances. He will be using federal funds to build a security gate around his “friendly pocket.” The Dallas Morning News reports:
Dallas City Manager Mary Suhm confirmed Monday that the younger Bush is seeking to have a gate placed somewhere along the entrance to streets leading to his future Preston Hollow address.
The plan, which requires approval by the Dallas City Council, isn’t expected to encounter much opposition at City Hall, and the Bushes’ neighbors seem to be on board.
So far, several options to limit access to the Bushes’ new street have been discussed. But a final decision on exactly where to place the gate hasn’t been recommended, Suhm said.
Federal money would pay for the gate, not the city, she said.
“The Bushes apparently bought a four-bedroom, ranch-style home at 10141 Daria Place through a private trust that Mr. Bush established after he was elected governor. The county appraises the house at nearly $2.1 million, but the home sold for considerably more.”
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I don't see any brush? Was that whole ranch crap a scam? Isn't this guy a rugged cowboy?
January 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pmHow much of a photo op was the Crawford ranch? I've never seen a photo of it except for an aerial shot taken before Bush became President and the airspace was closed.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:53 pmHe could move to a community that already has a gate protecting it...
January 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pmlike the prison at Leavenworth.
As a taxpayer I would like for that gate to lock from the outside.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pmCan't have the neighborhood kids TP-ing his trees, can we? Especially on Monday, the 19th, when all the kids are off from school for the MLK holiday.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI'll help pay for it if we can lock it from the outside.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pmArt and ElBruce.......funny guys, eh?
January 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pmif it seals him and his stepford wife in so they can never get out, i'm all for it!
January 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pmElBruce owes Fred a coke.
I'm all for taking cheap shots at Bush. He belongs in jail, if not in front of a firing squad.
But this is just...I mean, if he were any other President, I'd WANT a gate to protect him. This, and the Kempthorne $235K bathroom seem to be marking TP and the liberal blogosphere really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I guess I'm experiencing the extremity of Bush Fatigue. Two more short weeks...and then the investigations begin, I pray, with fervor.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pmDo the neighbors get any say in all this? This appears to be an established neighborhood, and presumably there are people who have been living there long before the Bushes considered buying this house.
I know that if an ex-president (even one I liked) wanted to move onto my street, I might have some issues with security gates being erected and access to my street being limited.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pmtwo more weeks...
January 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm"and the Bushes’ neighbors seem to be on board." proving on again rapeublicans are nothing more than welfare queens...they get to live in a gated community (raising their real estate values) at tax payer's expense.
hope they have a strong stomach to deal with the stench of urine coming from the gate and the feces speed bumps in front of it.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:01 pmAnyone who can afford a multi-million dollar home can afford his own damn gate.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pmIf he wants to be real secure, he could move to Alcatraz, no one could bother him there.
tony and lido
Plug the address into Google Maps. You can't see much because of the trees, although Streetview does have a glimpse of the house. It's an itty bitty shack compared to the estate just a tad south. That's one neighbor that won't mind a gate.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pmIf he wants the security of being behind bars, might we suggest The Hague?
January 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pmHeh. Chimpy probably realizes - dimly, of course - that the people he needs protection from are the AMERICAN people.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pmPretty sad when dummya has to request the entire road be gated off for his security. must have sucked for him when he realized he is the most hated American president ever. not even Nixon had to take such etreme measures.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pmI know where there's a gate that's not being used since they put the cattle guard in.
It's a 3 strand double twist, not too rusty, the poles are good and the wire's fair...
January 6th, 2009 at 4:10 pmWhy in the hell should we have to pay for a gate to limit access to his street? If he can afford to purchase a 2.1 million dollar home, I would think that he can afford a frickin' gate.
If his "neighbors seem to be on board" and have no problem with their own access to their street being held up due to a security gate, then let them pitch in and pay for it.
I honestly do not see why this should be a tax payer expense. This is bullsh!t. Plain and simple bullsh!t.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pmWho cares if we have to pay for a cage for that idiot to be gone . .
If that fool is gated behind bars, he can't cause any more carnage and embarrassment for our country. Besides where is Bubble going anyway?? It's not like he has a job or will be heading up a foundation to do humanitarian work or [cough, cough] writing a book . .
January 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pmHe's also going to need a tall fence to keep the flying shoes out. I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of drive by shoe flinging.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:21 pmHe can have all the gates he wants. Dallas voted for Obama, installed dozens of Democrats in public offices in 2006 and 2008. If he ever leaves his self-imposed "seclusion", he'll have close encounters with many Texan middle fingers. I - for one - intend to carry a shoe in my bag at all times.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pmJust in case....
dubyah = Socialist
January 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThe county appraises the house at nearly $2.1 million, but the home sold for considerably more.
That's interesting. From whom did he buy this house? Was it a friend of his? Why did he pay "considerably more" for it?
January 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pmNo one would expect a Reich-winger to pay for it himself, do they? It's the Reich-wing way: Socialism for the haves, capitalism for the have-nots.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pmWell, it's a start.
Now we only need the guard towers, razor wire and a flaming moat.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pmGeorge will have the access code tattooed (backwards) to his forehead.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pmHopefully he will remember to come to a complete stop before looking in the rear-view mirror.
It's only taxpayers money but Bush should be more worried about Laura driving. She did run over her boyfriend and who knows with a little pot she might do it again. This time Laura's Rich Texan boyfriend will get out off again from the murder charge. Daddy Bush has already moved on to Jeb for the Family Legacy and Barbara just can't stomach it anymore with her idiot son's low rating. Those girls at the Country Club are talking behind Barbara's back.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:30 pmWrong, as usual, LTdan. You keep forgetting that it's not the left-wing loonies that have the guns, it's the right-wing loonies. Obama has more to fear from the loonies on the right than Bush has to fear from the loonies on the left. We're not the violent ones, you guys are.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pmLTdan Says:
He deserve those gates, too many loonys running around that could harm him. I wish the best of luck to bush and his family.
He deserves to be behind bars, alright.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pmI hope Dick Cheney spends all his cash for security - being that Bush is being limited by the Secret Service to ten years of coverage.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:40 pmKarma will find him, no matter what obstacles he puts in its path. As he as sown, so shall he reap.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pmIf Only They'd Have Impeached!
LTdan Says:
He deserve those gates, too many loonys running around that could harm him. I wish the best of luck to bush and his family.
Bush was the loony running around harming others.
Please keep up, third-party (GOP) hack.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pmNewsweek noted that the Bush family has “found a friendly pocket” in a Texas county that went for Obama.
I wonder who had to canvass areas for their political opinions just to find a semi-safe place for Bush to live.
I'm thinking that gate is going to end up constantly adorned with shoes. If I lived in the area, I'd contribute some.
Fred says:
...lock from the outside.
(waves fist) CURSE YOUUU!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
That’s interesting. From whom did he buy this house? Was it a friend of his? Why did he pay “considerably more” for it?
GoogleMaps says "Bill Fisher Real Estate" is at that address, so I'm guessing that's who actually owned it. Developer?
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January 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pmWhy doesn't he merely build a secret bunker three or four thousand feet down? Preston Hollow in Dallas is situated on top of a limestone substrate. He might even find oil for the first time in his life.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pmI wish the best of luck to bush and his family.
I'll relay that message to Bush's parole officer when he or she is born.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pmkrystalviews Says:
I - for one - intend to carry a shoe in my bag at all times.
Just in case….
Excellent! Can we appoint you as head of the Dallas Welcome Wagon? Maybe you can decorate that fence with a nice selection of shoez to welcome Shrubby & Pickles to the neighborhood?
January 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pmgummitch,
That was probably just the agent who sold it on behalf of the owners. I'm interested in knowing who the owners were that got paid "considerably more" than the house was assessed at. Because I want to follow up and make sure they pay their taxes on that windfall profit.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pmYet another day of lavish spending from the GOP's top man before looking out for the taxpayer suddenly becomes a GOP priority with the Democrats fully in charge.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pmYup, the clown President is taking the federal funds and run before he leaves office. Bush's United Snakes of Moronica: Land of the theives. Home of the Slaves. 14 days to go.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pmAs much as it galls to think I will be contributing to Chimpy's comfort, even if it's only a few pennies, I hope he is kept secure. If someone were to harm him or burn the place to the ground, regardless of provocation, ol' Chimpy would become a martyr in the eyes of the Reichwhiners. That, IMO, can NOT be allowed to happen.
If President Obama does 10% as well as we hope the GOP base will be reduced to energy industry executives, skinheads, Rapture bound Psychochristians, and Alaskan drug dealers. If Chimpy becomes a martyr we will have to contend with legitimate cries of "librul-fascism". As much as I would relish an opportunity to beat the (bleep) out of him in person, it would be an unmitigated disaster if someone managed to punish him outside the law.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pmOf course not. Hell, SMU didn't want the propaganda machine called the Bush library, but it's being built there anyway.
Bush is used to being despised. In fact, he seems revel in the abhorrance of others toward him. I think it's something he picked up from Dick Cheney.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pmLTdan Says
January 6th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
He deserve those gates, too many loonys running around that could harm him.
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I don't think it's a matter of "deserving" the gate as much as it is of "needing" the gate if the Secret Service has determined it necessary (I will ignore for the moment the obvious question of why more "loonys" (sic) would want to harm Bush than any other ex-president).
It might be fair to compare the costs (and neighborhood impact) of providing security to other ex-presidents -- particularly those who have moved to a new house in a new neighborhood upon leaving office (Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Gerald Ford, etc.). Did they require gates to be erected for them? Did they require other security measures? What was the cost of making their new homes and neighborhoods secure?
If this is within the realm of what might be provided for any ex-president, then so be it. If this goes beyond what was provided to Clinton, Reagan, and other ex-presidents, then the gate itself might not be the biggest issue here.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pmI have a really good idea about where he should stick his fence.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:24 pmMy tax dollars will pay for every ex-President's continued security; I don't mind a fence if it's going to help the secret service do their job.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:25 pmI just looked it up on Zillow and that place is within walking distance of where I once lived in Dallas. I lived on Melissa Lane in the 50's. I used to go over where that neighborhood is and dig up fossils in a limestone up-crop located there. The only anyone would want to locate there would because there were four gas stations at Preston Blvd and Royal Lane that sold gas at about 10 - 12 cents per gallon. They probably stopped that by now, but it was nice paying a buck and half for a fill-up and having the windows cleaned to boot.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pmWe'll have to excuse your poor grammer and spelling. It must be difficult to type while licking Bush's balls.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pmThe Borgen Project (borgenproject.org) does a great job comparing the funds necessary to reduce global poverty to the amount of money the US spends on its defense budget.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pmIn my last post (not this one) "The only anyone " s/b "The only reason anyone "
January 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pmLight is the last thing you want on Bush's legacy. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the Bushies are running around the country trying to turn off the lights and pull the curtain on what has happened tha past 8 years, while they make up an alternate history to be read by people 100 years from now.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:33 pmFrank Rich wrote about the 'photo-op ranch' in his book "The Greatest Story Ever Sold".
He wrote:
He then wrote:
So much was stage to manipulate and fake their way through things..
January 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm"...the ‘photo-op ranch’..."
It all looked very nice, didn't it?
January 6th, 2009 at 5:46 pmI wonder if it still smelled like an old hog farm....
Nettles Says:
LTdan NEVER mentioned left-wing or right wing, Schneider. Your Progressive Paranoia strikes again!!
Brash rushes to judgement like this are what will, in due time, shed a more positive light on GW Bush’s legacy than he probably will ever deserve. Keep up the good work, TP !!
I took his comment in light of the fact that he regularly bashes liberals and calls them names. Besides, how many right-wing loonies out there want to harm Bush? They love him. Part of their mental illness, I guess.
No, Nettles, I stand by my comment. Thanks for playing.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:52 pmIf the gate were electrified to keep bush inside for the rest of his life - I could be satisfied with that...
January 6th, 2009 at 5:57 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Besides, how many right-wing loonies out there want to harm Bush? They love him. Part of their mental illness, I guess.
Well there's grover and the rest of the socialist/tax hating lunatics that think bush is a socialist for bailing out the car companies...
January 6th, 2009 at 5:58 pmIt would be so much cheaper for the American Tax payers if he just droped dead!
January 6th, 2009 at 6:12 pmHow much it would cost to send him to HAGUE?
January 6th, 2009 at 6:12 pmWell there’s grover and the rest of the socialist/tax hating lunatics that think bush is a socialist for bailing out the car companies…
And some of them think it was right to bail out the financial institutions. Grover and his anti-tax platform is just foolish consistency, and as Emerson said, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
January 6th, 2009 at 6:14 pmIf Interpol picks him up, a trip to den Hague is free, we would be propotionally charged for the trial and they don't execute anyone. If he is renditioned there, your tax dollars pick up the tab. In either case, it cost less than a gate. The most cost effective option would be to rendition him to North Korea or Iran - they would probably supply the airfare, luggage class.
January 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pmI'm gonna find me a big, big dog, feed it a lot of corned beef and cabbage, and walk it in that neighborhood every day.
January 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pmSo right! Send the Criminal Bush to a gated community that keeps people in rather then out.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:08 pm#10
"Do the neighbors get any say in all this? This appears to be an established neighborhood, and presumably there are people who have been living there long before the Bushes considered buying this house."
The people living in this neighborhood probably voted for him in 2004 anyway considering they are wealthy and don't want their taxes launched as Obama will certainly do.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:42 pmOh more whining about taxes. How novile. Would you like me to pay yours for you? See they pay things. Things that make us better people. You know stuff like care for those in need and those with less... They also pay for all kinds of nice more tangible things like roads and such...
January 6th, 2009 at 7:45 pmWhat is it with the Reichwhiners obsession with not paying bills?
January 6th, 2009 at 7:51 pm#14
"It’s an itty bitty shack compared to the estate just a tad south."
Same neighborhood as Ross Perot and Mark Cuban FYI.
http://www.gearthhacks.com/dlfile18255/Mark-Cubans-House.htm
Perot's address is
10444 Strait Lane
January 6th, 2009 at 8:04 pmDallas TX
Ross Perot? The Chart Wizard? Who was he again and why was he there?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:06 pm#67
"Things that make us better people."
I am not against paying taxes and never have been, but if you actually knew how much money is wasted by the federal government, which you apparently are OK with, you wouldn't call it "whinning", but rather "outrage". Maybe you pay so little if any federal income tax that it doesn't bother you how much money OTHER people fork over.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
The people living in this neighborhood probably voted for him in 2004 anyway considering they are wealthy and don’t want their taxes launched as Obama will certainly do.
Are these the same people that saw their financial holdings and housing prices collapse in the last year? ROTFL! Yeah, because TAXES are the ONLY DAMAGE that one can inflict on the economic prosperity of rich people!! ROTFL! If you get any more stupid people are gonna think your head is made of your wife's back fat!!! ROTFL!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:10 pm"What is it with the Reichwhiners obsession with not paying bills?"
What is with the Lefty Commies obsession with wasting tax dollars on inefficient spending?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
I am not against paying taxes and never have been, but if you actually knew how much money is wasted by the federal government, which you apparently are OK with, you wouldn’t call it “whinning”, but rather “outrage”. Maybe you pay so little if any federal income tax that it doesn’t bother you how much money OTHER people fork over.
A LOT LESS is wasted by the government than industry - MORON! Just look at medicare which has a 3% operating overhead compared to private insurance that runs around 30%!!! Yes you ARE ALWAYS WHINING and from a place of COMPLETE IGNORANCE and SELF DESTRUCTIVE SELF INTEREST! You're an IDIOT - MORON!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:11 pmTracy__5 Says:
“What is it with the Reichwhiners obsession with not paying bills?”
What is with the Lefty Commies obsession with wasting tax dollars on inefficient spending?
What is it with the Rightie Commie Obsession of GIVING CORPORATE WELFARE while STARVING CHILDREN? If you want INEFFICIENT SPENDING, look no further than GOP PORK IN IRAQ!!! There are NO BIGGER CROOKS than you SELFISH SELF ABSORBED CHILDREN OF THE GOP!
You wouldn't know how to RUN AN ECONOMY or MAKE A GOOD ECONOMIC DECISION if you and your FAT WIVE'S LIVELIHOOD DEPENDED ON IT - TARD!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:12 pmAs I mentioned earlier about the NUT JOBS and their COMMIE OBSESSIVE FASCIST MORONISM - Tracy is here!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:13 pm#70
"Ross Perot?"
The Newsweek article and TP is claiming and/or insinuating that this particular Dallas county neighborhood voted for Obama which is utter nonsense. Preston Hollow is a "very wealthy" neighborhood. Pretty much commonsense that most of those people living there did vote for Obama and raising their taxes.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:14 pmOh Tracy, were you aware that GOP SOCIALIST BAILOUTS of the past few months are greater than ALL WELFARE SPENDING COMBINED since it's CREATION!!! ROTFL, yeah COMMIES INDEED! You GOP TARDS are as DUMB AS PILES OF SH*T and just as STINKY!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:16 pmTracy__5 Says:
#70
“Ross Perot?”
The Newsweek article and TP is claiming and/or insinuating that this particular Dallas county neighborhood voted for Obama which is utter nonsense. Preston Hollow is a “very wealthy” neighborhood. Pretty much commonsense that most of those people living there did vote for Obama and raising their taxes.
ROTFL!! Yeah, because RICH PEOPLE don't vote DEMOCRAT!! ROTFL, SURE!! What an IDIOT! Only RICH PEOPLE that INHERIT THEIR MONEY and out of FEAR OF NOT BEING ABLE TO HANG ON TO IT from IGNORANCE of HOW MANY IS MADE cling to the GOP HATEFUL ATTITUDES about it... Lets see, Warren Buffett is a supporter of Obama - I would suggest YOU ARE JUST AN UNIFORMED FATFACED TEXAN!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:17 pm"A LOT LESS is wasted by the government than industry - MORON!"
That is the most obtuse thing you have ever said....and there have been many.
BTW are you ever going to attempt to do what Bartlee did?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pmOh and Tracy_TARD, the STORY SPECIFICALLY STATES the COUNTY went for OBAMA - it didn't say SH*T about the particular COMMUNITY. The POINT is that there are COUNTIES that did vote for bush, but instead Bush chose to live in a BLUE COUNTY - why is that? They actually PAY FOR CITY SERVICES maybe?
Come on TARD say something other than the TYPICAL RIDICULOUS OFF TOPIC AND IRRELEVANT S**T you are SO FAMOUS FOR!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:19 pm"Oh Tracy, were you aware that GOP SOCIALIST BAILOUTS of the past few months are greater than ALL WELFARE SPENDING COMBINED"
Obama is all for them FYI and GOP doesn't equal conservative boy.
"You wouldn’t know how to RUN AN ECONOMY or MAKE A GOOD ECONOMIC DECISION"
Only a true socialist/communist such as yourself would think that the U.S. government runs the U.S. economy.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:20 pmTracy__5 Says:
“A LOT LESS is wasted by the government than industry - MORON!”
That is the most obtuse thing you have ever said….and there have been many.
BTW are you ever going to attempt to do what Bartlee did?
I just pointed out that MEDICARE wastes LESS MONEY than their PRIVATE SECTOR ALTERNATIVES - and you consider that OBTUSE!!!
What is OBTUSE is your UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS that GOVERNMENT somehow wastes MORE MONEY than ALTERNATIVE CHOICES!!!
BTW when are you going to attempt to do what the 911 pilots did?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:21 pmROTFL!! Yeah, because RICH PEOPLE don’t vote DEMOCRAT!!"
Most don't dumbass.
"Warren Buffett?"
For everyone you mention I can find ten who don't vote to have the taxes increased.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Oh Tracy, were you aware that GOP SOCIALIST BAILOUTS of the past few months are greater than ALL WELFARE SPENDING COMBINED”
Obama is all for them FYI and GOP doesn’t equal conservative boy.
ROTFL!!! Yet it's GOP POLICIES that CREATED and GOP INVESTORS AND SPENDERS that BENEFIT from all of that WASTEFUL SPENDING - ROTFL IGNORANT DUM BASS!!
“You wouldn’t know how to RUN AN ECONOMY or MAKE A GOOD ECONOMIC DECISION”
Only a true socialist/communist such as yourself would think that the U.S. government runs the U.S. economy.
ROTFL!! Only someone with NO UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY or ECONOMICS thinks that governments ALWAYS RUN THEIR ECONOMIES! Perhaps you should go to SOMALIA and come back before you talk about GOVERNMENTS and ECONOMIES!!
ROTFL!!!
ROTFL!!!
ROTFL!!!
ROTFL!!!
ROTFL!!!
Just when I WAS SURE you couldn't say anything MORE STUPID!!
Economies are ALWAYS RUN by the LAWS and REGULATIONS of the GOVERNMENTS - MORON!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
ROTFL!! Yeah, because RICH PEOPLE don’t vote DEMOCRAT!!”
Most don’t dumbass.
“Warren Buffett?”
For everyone you mention I can find ten who don’t vote to have the taxes increased.
Give me PROOF - MORON!! Where are you STATISTICS? For every TEN YOU LIST I can find MORE - that's not FACT that's SUPPOSITION AND UNINFORMED OPINION....
January 6th, 2009 at 8:23 pmHey Tracy, were you AWARE that those making $200,000 or more (6 percent of the electorate) voted for Obama 52-46?
ROTFL! Tracy ZERO the progressives INFINITY!! ROTFL!!!
YOU FAT STUPID DUM BASS - just SHUT UP and SIT DOWN!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:24 pmHi Tracy:
January 6th, 2009 at 8:25 pmI must have used a no no word. Anyway see the thing is the USA is really big so I would expect some waste. So since you wish to claim expertise here can you itemize all this waste and explain the forces which drive it. Might you also show how based on economies of scale this waste is any more or less than found in the private sector. Now remember I said show me not just preach it. See I have been to those annual conventions at lodging way beyond what was needed and wine way overpriced than needed and food which is picked at and thrown away, and endlessly long unneeded luncheons and tons of fiddly f ucking around on the internet instead of working. I haven't really been privy to the whoring and more seedy shit but show me how the corporate world is any more or less wasteful...
The PROBLEM with IDIOTS like YOU is that you don't realize that Democrats are GOOD FOR RICH PEOPLE!!!
GDP GROWTH is TWICE AS GOOD under DEMOCRATS than REPUBLICANS - also FACT...
But you didn't know that either did you - MORON?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:26 pmCome on TeXaS TARD - you've been PROVEN WRONG, where's you APOLOGY for SPREADING LIES - MORON?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:26 pm"Oh and Tracy_TARD, the STORY SPECIFICALLY STATES the COUNTY went for OBAMA - it didn’t say SH*T about the particular COMMUNITY."
The BS insinuation by TP was that just because Dallas county voted in majority for Obama that Bush needed to erect the gate to keep those who don't like him away from his new house, which is utter nonsense. ALL of the estates in Preston Hollow are "gated".
January 6th, 2009 at 8:28 pmflying to DC to whine for bailout money seems sort of wasteful. Wouldn't mass transit have been more economical and fiscally responsible? Now the reason I had to be offered both lobster and prime rib rather than one or the other or even just an egg salad sandwich at that last shindig was what again?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:29 pm"Hey Tracy, were you AWARE that those making $200,000 or more (6 percent of the electorate) voted for Obama 52-46?"
Do you know how many of those making over $200,000 didn't vote at all and just stayed home? Try millions.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:29 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Oh and Tracy_TARD, the STORY SPECIFICALLY STATES the COUNTY went for OBAMA - it didn’t say SH*T about the particular COMMUNITY.”
The BS insinuation by TP was that just because Dallas county voted in majority for Obama that Bush needed to erect the gate to keep those who don’t like him away from his new house, which is utter nonsense. ALL of the estates in Preston Hollow are “gated”.
You're confusing YOUR PARANOID ASSUMPTIONS with the INSINUATION OF OTHERS as ALWAYS! You WHINY GOPTARDS are such PROFESSIONAL VICTIMS!! ROTFL!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:30 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Hey Tracy, were you AWARE that those making $200,000 or more (6 percent of the electorate) voted for Obama 52-46?”
Do you know how many of those making over $200,000 didn’t vote at all and just stayed home? Try millions.
ROTFL!!! Yeah because there are SO MANY MILLIONS of people that make over 200k!!!!
ANOTHER STUPID COMMENT!!!!
I stated a FACT, you stated an URBAN LEGEND - YOU LOSE MORON!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:31 pm"The PROBLEM with IDIOTS like YOU is that you don’t realize that Democrats are GOOD FOR RICH PEOPLE!!!"
Most of the time it was a Democrat president and a Republican congress...like the 1990s i.e. the most prosperous time in U.S. history.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:31 pmTracy_5
January 6th, 2009 at 8:32 pmWhy are they gated? Why do the resident wish to put gates around their homes?
Tracy__5 Says:
“The PROBLEM with IDIOTS like YOU is that you don’t realize that Democrats are GOOD FOR RICH PEOPLE!!!”
Most of the time it was a Democrat president and a Republican congress…like the 1990s i.e. the most prosperous time in U.S. history.
ROTFL!! Another GOP LIE! It doesn't matter if it was a GOP CONGRESS or a DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS, Democrats HAVE BETTER ECONOMIES - PERIOD!
Oh and MORON the PROSPERITY IN THE 1990s was related to INCREASED TAXES under Clinton - not DECREASED TAXES!!!
You are SO IGNORANT!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pm"I stated a FACT"
You stated nothing about how many of those $200k+ earners didn't bother voting for McCain or Obama. Cite a source that gives the numbers.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pmdid somebody just say "commies"? Holy shit maybe we can talk about Peking next...
January 6th, 2009 at 8:34 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I stated a FACT”
You stated nothing about how many of those $200k+ earners didn’t bother voting for McCain or Obama. Cite a source that gives the numbers.
ROTFL!!! Cite a source that contradicts MY FACT - all you stated so far was an ASSUMPTION!! Come on, where did you GET THIS FACT! Oh wait, you DIDN'T, it's what all of the GROUP THINK RED STATE BLOGS TELL EACH OTHER...
Still waiting for a STATISTIC - COME ON!! CITE A SOURCE - YOU'VE LOST!
Because VOTERS DETERMINE PUBLIC OPINION according to the GOP IN EVERY OTHER SITUATION - right? Like support for BUSH'S POLICIES BY THE COUNTRY? Can't have it BOTH WAYS FATBOY!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:35 pmSo Tracy if WEALTHY vote DEMOCRATS why did a recent study of income tax returns reveals that Democrats represent roughly 60% of the Nation's wealthiest districts?
ROTFL!! MORON!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:37 pmOh and Tracy, Bush's ECONOMY was with a GOP CONGRESS and he's one of the WORST IN RECENT HISTORY! So much for the BELIEF that ECONOMIC POLICIES are DICTATED BY CONGRESS!!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:37 pmTracy__5 Says:
ALL of the estates in Preston Hollow are “gated”.
So I don't need to pay for a gate because it's already there?
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Tracy__5 Says:
Do you know how many of those making over $200,000 didn’t vote at all and just stayed home? Try millions.
There were 169,000,000 registered voters in 2008. 54% of 6% of that number is 5,475,600. Are your millions more or less than that? And how is that relevant, anyways? You don't get to claim all nonvoters are on your side, any more than I get to claim they're on mine.
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Tracy__5 Says:
Most of the time it was a Democrat president and a Republican congress…like the 1990s i.e. the most prosperous time in U.S. history.
Most of the time the Republican congress wasn't stark raving batshit. We gotta make do with what we have, though.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:40 pmTracy, lets hear what the poster child of GOP IDIOTS has to say on the subject?
Here’s Tucker Carlson:
OK, but here’s the fact that nobody ever, ever mentions — Democrats win rich people. Over 100,000 in income, you are likely more than not to vote for Democrats. People never point that out. Rich people vote liberal. I don’t know what that’s all about
ROTFL!! Tracy, you've spent too much time up the head of your fat wive's *ss!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:40 pm102:
January 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pmDoes it have anything to do with the relationship between level of education and political affiliation and the ancillary relationship between level of education and income?
Tracy__5 Says:
Most of the time it was a Democrat president and a Republican congress…like the 1990s i.e. the most prosperous time in U.S. history.
Wait a second... how come I never heard wingnuts calling for an opposite party White House and Congress when they controlled both? I can't imagine why they would change their mind on such a fundamental principle of governance. I mean, the party of "values" wouldn't throw out their core principles with the changing of the political wind, would they?
January 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pmElBruce, did you notice that after Tracy claimed Republicans were better with the economy and I pointed out that Democratic presidents were better, he moved onto the next MYTH completely ignoring that he'd been proven wrong? Typical partisan brain idiot...
It doesn't matter how many times you PROVE they're wrong - they are INCAPABLE of LEARNING - like a brain damaged b**ch that won't fetch a duck!! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pmYeah rhf, the Internet is the only place where it's OK to slap around the developmentally disabled.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:45 pmAlright gang, I think it is only sporting to give Tracy_5 a chance to process that flurry...
January 6th, 2009 at 8:47 pmGreat point ElBruce, and wealth is typically correlated with education - lets see how that pans out in terms of voters...
Some College (31%) 51%D 47%R
College Graduate (27%) 49%D 49%R
Postgraduate (18%) 58%D 41%R
Wow - the HIGHLY EDUCATED are DEMOCRATS - then you have TRACY and his FAT WIFE!! ROTFL!
January 6th, 2009 at 8:47 pmSo now that it has mellowed Tracy_5, might you address number 88 and such for me?
January 6th, 2009 at 9:16 pmThanks...
I'm missing a few things. While one fad was to build gated communities, how does one justify gating a previously existing community.
Can I also assume, in a fit of personal responsibility, that as the outside can't come in, the Bushes will pay for all pavement, streetlights, etc. ???
January 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pmAnyone else just notice that Tracy just said Clinton was behind the most prosperous period in American History? ROTFL! Nice of you to give Bill his credit Tracy - even though in typical balless wonder fashion you wouldn't use his name!! But that's the kind of whiny, puny insecurity I EXPECT from a LOSER LIKE YOU!!
Now Tracy, if your THEORY were RIGHT, then the GOP CONGRESS should have made Bush THE MOST PROSPEROUS PERIOD instead of the WORST ECONOMY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION!! And if your THEORY were RIGHT then past Democratic presidents with Democratic congresses should have worst economies than those with Republican Congresses should have the worst economies. Guess what - the OPPOSITE is true! The best economies by statistical averages are Democratic congresses and Democratic presidents - the worst are GOP president and congress... Your THEORY is BLOWN TO HELL as usual - TRACY TARD! Go back and cry and whine to that fat wife of yours - MORON!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pmMapleStreet Says:
I’m missing a few things. While one fad was to build gated communities, how does one justify gating a previously existing community.
Keeping HERO WORSHIPING LUNATICS like Tracy out of it would be good enough for me if I lived there! ROTFL!!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pmeasy, fish never return until the waters settle....
January 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm...casts...
January 6th, 2009 at 9:31 pm"Oh and MORON the PROSPERITY IN THE 1990s was related to INCREASED TAXES under Clinton"
Explain how the Clinton tax increases specifically helped businesses. The tax increses payed down the federal debt...nothing more. Again you assume that the government is responsible for economic prosperity....which is not true.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pmSo Tracy_5. Can we talk about all those wasteful expenditures or not?
January 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm#88
"Might you also show how based on economies of scale this waste is any more or less than found in the private sector."
As soon as you tell me which entity the U.S. government has to compete with the way businesses have to compete with each other. There is NO WAY businesses like the architectural firm or corporations like MicroSoft could run it's accounting department the way the U.S. Treasury does and still be in business. I have never heard of a company not being able to "find" 6 billion dollars as the U.S. Department of Education did.
http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/six-billion-missing-at-education-department/
January 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm#95
"ROTFL!!! Yeah because there are SO MANY MILLIONS of people that make over 200k!!!"
There are "many millions" that make over $200k pay 90% of the federal income taxes, but you wouldn't know because you aren't one of them.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:02 pmSo I should take that as a no? So why did they not serve the egg salad sandwhich to me at that 495 night a room joint? The reason we should not have been more frugal was what? Did these folks think they needed all that shit? Come on explain it to me because that sure as hell wasn't what the rank and file staff was getting for a holiday party. Come on explain it to me Mr. Fiscal Responsibility...
January 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pmHah! The stupid troll is actually suggesting that those who lost millions, in the collapse of the GOP Ponzi scheme, are less angry than those who lost little or nothing. Sure, we all will continue to pay more for goods and services but Chimpy oversaw the evaporation of, roughly, a third of all invested wealth. Logic would dictate that Chimpy's new fence is to protect him from his new neighbors who, thanks to Chimpy, will have to put their kids to work.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm#105
"Here’s Tucker Carlson:"
Who?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm#97
"Why are they gated?"
Why do you have lock on your door or on your car? Or are you going to lie and say you don't use them?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:06 pmBTW. I pulled ALL my investments abut 20 months before the collapse the GOoPers claim "took everyone by surprise".
January 6th, 2009 at 10:07 pm#101
"ROTFL!!! Cite a source that contradicts MY FACT - all you stated so far was an ASSUMPTION!!"
To state a "fact" as you call it most definitely requires a source citation....especially in YOUR case.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm"There is NO WAY businesses like the architectural firm or corporations like MicroSoft could run it’s accounting department the way the U.S. Treasury does and still be in business"
This lacks specifics. It reads as the statement of an individual with an agenda but no substance. Seems Enron had an interesting accounting department. Oh and what about all those market controlled corporations so busy competing that the taxpayer has to bail them out? What is up with that? Seems the bullshit and the reality don't wash...
January 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm"So Tracy if WEALTHY vote DEMOCRATS why did a recent study of income tax returns reveals that Democrats represent roughly 60% of the Nation’s wealthiest districts?"
What recent study? Cite your source.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pmActually Tracy_5. I can say with all honesty that I do not lock my car. In fact when I spent 14 hours a day at sea my car still sat at the dock unlocked. I also do not lock my doors nor windows. If you think I am full of shit come check. See the thing is that the sooner we work together the sooner all ships rise.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm#104
"You don’t get to claim all nonvoters are on your side, any more than I get to claim they’re on mine."
Obama is the first presidential candidate on "your" side that actually ran a good campaign since Clinton. There were millions of conservative voters that did not vote for McCain considering he was not and is not a true conservative.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:14 pmI don't lock my car either. I would rather lose the loose change in the ashtray than have to replace an electric window. Though, to be fair, I haven't lost any change either. It has been said that, "those who refuse to trust their fellow man never earn the trust OF their fellow man".
January 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pmAch! "No true Scotsman" is an automatic FAIL. Game over man.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:16 pm#107
"Wait a second… how come I never heard wingnuts calling for an opposite party White House and Congress when they controlled both?"
Of course one party would "like" to control both the White House and the Congress but as we all have seen...absolute power corrupts absolutely. BTW the GOP hasn't been "conservative" since 2000 and the White House hasn't been truely conservative since 1988.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm"Yeah rhf, the Internet is the only place where it’s OK to slap around the developmentally disabled."
You enjoy getting slapped?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pmThis is the same mentality that says I need to walk around with a loaded weapon in case someone wishes me harm. I am so tired of this scaredy cat bullshit. When by our very nature are social creatures who rely on social rules to ensure are own survival. If only the bonobo had been discovered before the chimp our fundamental view of ourselves might be far more egalitarian. Is the shit you posses more important to you than those you coexist with Tracy_5?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pm#110
"Alright gang, I think it is only sporting to give Tracy_5 a chance to process that flurry…"
Yeah is rather a chore tonight stomping all of the cockroaches.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pmWhen equals we.
Oh and Tracy_5 Really explain to me why the rank and file didn't get the lobster and prime rib. The got the finger sandwiches. Why is that and how do you explain it?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pmThe county appraises the house at nearly $2.1 million, but the home sold for considerably more.
That’s interesting. From whom did he buy this house? Was it a friend of his? Why did he pay “considerably more” for it?
I also find this interesting - and another poster asked who did he buy the house from. I believe these are public records and in some places can be accessed on line (Washington State). You would see all previous owners, what they paid when they bought the property and it's current assessed value. I attempted to check this out through Dallas County Assessors office - but it asks for more information than just the address. Perhaps someone here can give it a try - and report back.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:23 pmWell. At last a grain of truth. There's nothing "conservative" about the GOP. They have become Jebus-crazed, avaricious, slogan-shouting, goose-stepping, reckless, radicals devoid of the better human qualities.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm#128
"This lacks specifics. It reads as the statement of an individual with an agenda but no substance."
I just gave you a link about the DOE not being able to find $6 billion.
"Seems Enron had an interesting accounting department."
And it went out of business didn't it.
"Oh and what about all those market controlled corporations so busy competing that the taxpayer has to bail them out?"
Good lord! Why in the hell do you think that those corporations are asking for money? Because the didn't run efficiently. The government can run trillions in debt but you don't seem them going under. They just write an IOU and raise the debt ceiling and print more money!!! Please show me a corporation that can do that and stay in business.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pmSee the thing is that there is no evidence that you can stomp me....
January 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm#130
"If you think I am full of shit come check."
Give me an address.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:29 pm"I don’t lock my car either."
Yeah....right.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm“I don’t lock my car either.”
And I guess that is because you live in it and own a few guns....right?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm#136
"This is the same mentality that says I need to walk around with a loaded weapon in case someone wishes me harm."
Ask Pete why he own a handgun and don't let him tell you it's for target practice because that is a lie.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:33 pm#136
Is the shit you posses more important to you than those you coexist with Tracy_5?"
No, but I don't fancy getting robbed, maybe you do...maybe you think it's alright to steal someone else's property.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pmIt is far from Texas. Do you intend to take anything or just check the locks. If you need something I have all you need do is ask. If you and yours need it more than I and mine, Iwill give it to you. When we stop thinking we somehow need more than others or even worse are somehow better than others, all benefit and we all become better in our humanity.
If you give me a heads up I will prep a meal. I am a mmeber of the freegan/barter community so if you wish to bring something to share you are welcome but even if you choose not to you are still welcome...
January 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pmDid I say it was okay to steal? My possession are less important than my desire to provide for those who might be so desparate to feel they must steal
January 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm#138
"Why is that and how do you explain it?"
You do subscribe to Marxism as good economic practice...don't you? Do you think that trash collector should get paid the same wage as a brain surgeon? Yes or no only.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pmTracy_5
January 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pmWhy do you feel you should be able to judge the intentions of pete. Pete is a knowledgeable outdoorsman and gifted naturalist
#140
"There’s nothing “conservative” about the GOP. They have become Jebus-crazed, avaricious, slogan-shouting, goose-stepping, reckless, radicals devoid of the better human qualities."
I have been saying that for years now. Where have you been? BTW they aren't much worse than the big government a-holes like during in inside the Johnson administration.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:40 pmI no longer own a handgun, stupid troll, sorry if I gave that impression. Though, if I still did, it would be for hunting. Alas, my old bones no longer respond well to dragging deer carcasses out of the woods.
And, even when I did own a Ruger Redhawk .44cal, I grabbed my trusty twelve gauge the only time I felt it necessary to protect my home. I believe the little punk crapped his pants when he saw that big hole pointing at his face. To the best of my knowledge he's become a model citizen. His lovely wife sends me a Christmas card every year.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm"See the thing is that there is no evidence that you can stomp me…."
Already did with the government inefficiency issue. Did you read the link I posted about the DOE?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm"I no longer own a handgun, stupid troll, sorry if I gave that impression."
Yeah...whatever!!
January 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pmTracy_5
All things aside, as the hour becomes late. Would you please explain to me why all did not get offered the lobster AND prime rib? How can this be explained and how is the good of the all served by such? Just explain this concept to me. In your heart do you feel that some deserve the egg salad and others the foie gras and how should I decide who gets served what?
Now as to that link. Sure I looked at it. Still it didn't prove anything. I also would note that any thoughful reading will notice that you have failed to address any of the conundrums I have presented you with. I lesser friend might note that you appear to have been pwned...
January 6th, 2009 at 10:47 pmI equals A. (I do that a lot)
January 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pm#149
"My possession are less important than my desire to provide for those who might be so desparate to feel they must steal"
You expect me to believe that it wouldn't bother your if someone came into your house and stole your computer...the one you seem to think is necessary for posting here but not important enough to donate it to a inner city school?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pmDo you believe the fire fighter should volunteer?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pmDude I have worked in the inner city school... You so don't get it.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pmI remember our exchange on gun rights quite well, stupid troll. The point I was trying to make is that, if forced to choose a handgun in a survival situation, I would choose a big-bore revolver that kills what it hits. For long-guns I would choose a twelve gauge pump and/or a quality magnum, bolt-action, rifle; with a STRONG preference for the twelve gauge.
One thing I would never do is lower myself to lying to a POS like you.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pmThere is NO WAY businesses like the architectural firm or corporations like MicroSoft could run it’s accounting department the way the U.S. Treasury does and still be in business
That's because macroeconomics is not microeconomics. In order for the government to run like a business, it would have to be functioning within an economy managed by a larger entity; i.e. it would be a business participating in an economy managed by a government.
It's like accusing a racetrack of not being able to win a race because it's so slow.
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Tracy__5 Says:
BTW the GOP hasn’t been “conservative” since 2000 and the White House hasn’t been truely conservative since 1988.
That's the most insane thing I've heard from you yet. The GOP has become steadily more radically right-wing ever since 1988.
Just one case in point: Reagan never said he'd to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. In fact, he said that although he personally disagreed with abortion, he would never seek to overturn a woman's legal right to choose. Reagan said that. Name me a major Republican who could say that today and survive their next primary.
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Tracy__5 Says:
You enjoy getting slapped?
NO U!
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dbadass Says:
Tracy_5
Why do you feel you should be able to judge the intentions of pete. Pete is a knowledgeable outdoorsman and gifted naturalist
Tracy__5 lives in a dog-eat-dog world, where at any given moment, hordes of strangers are constantly trying to rob, rape and murder you. It's a truly horrible place, and I feel sorry for him.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pm"Still it didn’t prove anything."
It pretty much proved that only the U.S. government can "misplace" billions and remain in tact and function as if it never misplaced it.
"Would you please explain to me why all did not get offered the lobster AND prime rib?"
"In your heart do you feel that some deserve the egg salad and others the foie gras and how should I decide who gets served what?"
I will be able answer both as soon as you tell me whether or not you think a trash collector should be paid the same wage as brain surgeon. And if so...why? And if not?...why?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:55 pm"Dude I have worked in the inner city school… You so don’t get it."
So when you are you going to be gracious and donate your computer to the inner city school?
January 6th, 2009 at 10:57 pm#161
"One thing I would never do is lower myself to lying to a POS like you"
I am not the one who is lying about owning a hand gun.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:58 pm"You expect me to believe that it wouldn’t bother your if someone came into your house and stole your computer…the one you seem to think is necessary for posting here but not important enough to donate it to a inner city school?"
Yes I expect you to believe that as it is the case. See this computer cost me a couple of hundred bucks (maybe 200?) about 4 years ago and I go it used from a kid from a tough family situation who was trying to better himself and bring home a few beans to his family by fixing up old hand me down computers... You so don't get it...
January 6th, 2009 at 10:58 pmHow many would you like me to donte? I did run a drive for texts to the Navajo reservation a few years back. Des that count? The problem with e drives is that so many folks try to use it as an excuse to dump old heavy metal laiden ewaste on the less fortunate. Again the issue with egalaitarianism is the equal part...I am unsure you will ever get it. You can't even expalin the egg sandwhich conundrum...
January 6th, 2009 at 11:01 pm#162
"In order for the government to run like a business, it would have to be functioning within an economy managed by a larger entity;"
Accounting practices are pretty much universal when it comes to budgets whether it be a government or business budget.
That’s the most insane thing I’ve heard from you yet. The GOP has become steadily more radically right-wing ever since 1988."
We are talking fiscally conservative....i.e. economics. Haven't heard anything in the debate here about social policy.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:03 pmWow tons of typos in that.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:05 pmYou know what my kids dig about Christmas? They get to be driven to a town they have never been to to put 20's in the mailboxes of people they have never met and never will late at night when on regular nights they would have to be in bed... Like I said, I am unsure you will ever get the concept...
Hi Hippie_Crusher...
xxoo
January 6th, 2009 at 11:05 pmHippie_crusher crusher...
"Yes I expect you to believe that as it is the case. See this computer cost me a couple of hundred bucks (maybe 200?) about 4 years ago...."
Tell me why you need it? Donate it tomorrow Mr. Stingy.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:07 pm"How many would you like me to donte?"
The one you are currently using for your private use for starters. There are plenty down at your local taxpayer funded public library that have internet access. Even this site would not be banned there.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:09 pm#168
Hippie_crusher you are acting just like RHF.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pmWTF? I'll bite. What story is bigger than the ongoing barbarism in GAZA? Personally, I think innocents being killed is ALWAYS the biggest story. But? I need a diversion so I'm here abusing stupid trolls.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:12 pmWoulkd you like me to post the refusal of the tech guru for the school district to acdept an obsolete unit with a what the hell where those old thick dics called drive, no cd drive nor burner let alone dvd. No printer old school heavy as shit monitor andall. See gain you must be very uneducated about low impact aware lifestyle choices.
Face it You don't get what I am saying. Stuff so doesn't matter. Sharing does...
January 6th, 2009 at 11:12 pm#170
Like I said, I am unsure you will ever get the concept…"
Oh so now you are wanting to compare who does the most for charity? You tell me when you have helped build over a dozen homes under the direction of Habitat for Humanity and then we will talk.
http://www.ncc-habitat.org/
January 6th, 2009 at 11:16 pmHippie_crusher Says:
(various confused and insulting things)
Would you like us to join you in another thread, HC? You're copy/pasting this all over the place. Which thread do you want company in? The one about the timber industry thing, the one about the Medal of Freedom recipients, or something else? I really have no idea what you're screaming about.
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Tracy__5 Says:
Accounting practices are pretty much universal when it comes to budgets whether it be a government or business budget.
I'll agree with you, to a qualified extent. For example, military war spending should not be "off budget," for example. Most of these silly tricks appear to be to try to hide the actual spending number, even though all of the information is public anyways. I won't say it should be done "like a business," but it should be streamlined/simplified so that taxpayers can more clearly understand what they're paying for.
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Tracy__5 Says:
We are talking fiscally conservative….i.e. economics. Haven’t heard anything in the debate here about social policy.
It wasn't until the 90's that poor people started being demonized for their "life choices." Newt Gingrich coined the term "welfare queen" and started making a political victim of unwed teenage mothers. Public assistance programs were "reformed" - er, I mean destroyed - wholesale across the nation. The mentally ill were dumped onto the streets en masse, and remain a majority of the homeless population today.
The glorification of the wealthy, as well as the assumption that the rest of us only have our share of the economy as a favor by them, has increased from a fairly sketchy proposition in the late 80's (Gordon Gecko was a villian, remember) to be practically chiseled in political stone by 2004. Rounds of tax cuts after tax cuts vastly favored the wealthiest handful of the population, with a pittance scattered about for everybody else.
Oh, did I forget corporate deregulation? Yeah. If corporations are like individuals, then the trend since 1988 has been to institute nothing but pure anarchy. One after another, regulations designed to ensure fair trade and industry have been "reformed" - er, I mean destroyed. It's gotten so bad that in the 2000's, the executive branch has literally been appointing people to oversee regulations who don't believe in overseeing the regulations that it's their job to enforce. That is to say, the legislative slashing wasn't good enough for them, they actually had to hire people who would blatantly refuse to do their jobs. Think they could get away with that in the 80's? Me neither.
This is all economic policy I'm talking about here.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:18 pm"Woulkd you like me to post the refusal of the tech guru for the school district to acdept an obsolete unit with a what the hell where those old thick dics called drive, no cd drive nor burner let alone dvd."
You expect me to believe you have some antiquated POS when your posts come up far faster on this board than the one you claim to be using?
January 6th, 2009 at 11:20 pmNo I wasn't doing anything of the sort. Let's revisit. All night I have asked why some might want gets to isolate them from their neighbors. lected to scounder food while others had less, complained about donating through taxation funds for the betterment of all, and the like. All I have asked was a simple explaination for why we might all not sit at the same table.
I remain the concept is lost even thought the car, door, and windows remain open...
January 6th, 2009 at 11:21 pmOld technolgy fast service. I don't know shit about computers but the front of the tower says Dimension 3000. It is a dell assembled by a tenth grader. For real. I assume you would acknowledge no reason to disbelieve my honesty.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:23 pm#178
"I’ll agree with you, to a qualified extent. For example, military war spending should not be “off budget,” for example."
So this "off budget" practice that is practiced in EVERY department of the government is a common thing for private businesses to do?
"Most of these silly tricks appear to be to try to hide the actual spending number, even though all of the information is public anyways."
Sounds like a good way for the U.S. government to efficiently track expenditures. LOL! dbadass...are you listening to ElBruce here?
It wasn’t until the 90’s that poor people started being demonized for their “life choices.”"
Everyone, even Clinton, is in agreement the "welfare reform" of the 1990s worked. Give us a break!
January 6th, 2009 at 11:27 pmgets=gates
lected = Elected
remain = repeat
thought = though
Nest pots I will try dooble ddigits
January 6th, 2009 at 11:28 pmAlas the German Lager, and the pills that I so greedily take to prevent dying in my sleep, are taking their toll.
G'night good people.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:32 pmYou too trolls.
"All I have asked was a simple explaination for why we might all not sit at the same table."
And I have asked is for you to answer the wage disparity question I raised...but you refuse to.
"I don’t know shit about computers but the front of the tower says Dimension 3000."
That doesn't mean much. Go to start/control panel/system/general to find out the specifics. Mine say Dimension 4550 and I bought in 2002 and probably wouldn't get $200 for it either, but it's 1.99GHz and I have a broadband connection. Eventhough you have a great service it can't possibly be dial-up or even service thru your cable service provider to post this fast...or do you even know what you have?
January 6th, 2009 at 11:40 pmtake care pete...
January 6th, 2009 at 11:41 pm"G’night good people.
You too trolls."
Make sure to kiss your gun good night for me.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:41 pmHippyLickingPunk is a pathetic and sad piece of garbage. The world must be a scary and dark place for anyone so stupid and morally bankrupt. Lets have a moment of silence for the stupidest troll in recent memory. The punk even the other challenged children made fun of on the shortbus ride to the special school.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:43 pmTracy__5 Says:
Make sure to kiss your gun good night for me.
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As you, no doubt, sit in the dark, fondling your, ah, "weapon"...
Sweaty palms, itchy trigger finger...
January 6th, 2009 at 11:43 pmNo I don't know shit. I elect not to have tv so as I have little need for it so I just get some sort of cable service for the computer
January 6th, 2009 at 11:43 pmTracy__5 Says:
So this “off budget” practice that is practiced in EVERY department of the government is a common thing for private businesses to do?
Note the part that said "I’ll agree with you." You can't argue with me when I'm agreeing with you, that gets a flag thrown and you lose 10 yards. I mention the war spending as an example, specifically because it's an enormous top-level expense.
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Everyone, even Clinton, is in agreement the “welfare reform” of the 1990s worked. Give us a break!
Define "worked." If by "worked" you mean "got everyone off welfare," then yes. And that's how they defined it. But it did that merely by eliminating welfare; it's not like anybody accomplished anything. If you mean that poor people are better off and have easier routes to opportunity, then no, it did the opposite of "work."
January 7th, 2009 at 12:04 amTracy__5 Says:
#67
“Things that make us better people.”
I am not against paying taxes and never have been, but if you actually knew how much money is wasted by the federal government, which you apparently are OK with, you wouldn’t call it “whinning”, but rather “outrage”. Maybe you pay so little if any federal income tax that it doesn’t bother you how much money OTHER people fork over.
omg! tRACY, I agree with you. I agree that our government is wasting money on Wall Street parasites who are sucking our coffers dry because they want to privatize the gains and socialize the losses. I agree that we're wasting money in Iraq and contractors like KBR so they can serve feces-tainted ice to our troops. I applaud you for your stance, and await the day you rant against the Bush administration's waste of our taxpayer dollars.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:16 amTracy__5 Says:
#101
“ROTFL!!! Cite a source that contradicts MY FACT - all you stated so far was an ASSUMPTION!!”
To state a “fact” as you call it most definitely requires a source citation….especially in YOUR case.
NYTimes, WSJ, Washington Post all COVERED THIS - ROTFL!! Even the quote from TUCKER CARLSON! I can't help it if you're an IGNORANT MORON!
I think my funniest Tracy confession tonight were
Tracy Admitting that BILL CLINTON presided over the MOST PROSPEROUS ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY!
Tracy Admitting that the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT had the BEST ECONOMIC GROWTH
Tracy Admitting that HE DOESN'T HAVE FACTS just SUPPOSITIONS to back up his CLAIM of RELATIVE INEFFICIENCY!!!
oh and TRACY you aren't talking about GOVERNMENT you're talking about GOP CORRUPTION - don't confuse the two - TARD!
And you do realize that the DOE manages the US NUCLEAR program and that many of that MONEY DISAPPEARANCE is for COVERT ACTIVITIES - RIGHT? Tell me DOUGHIE DUMBASS why do you SUPPORT AL QAEDA and UNDERMINE OUR NATIONAL SECURITY with criticizing our DEFENSE SPENDING IN THIS WAY? ROTFl - you're an IDIOT!!!
Here's ONE LINK TRACY TARD - I'm sure it's NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU no AMOUNT OF FACTS can DISSUADE YOU!! Funny how ONLY YOU TRACY TARD brings up MARXISM while the GOP BAILS OUT THE ECONOMY THROUGH NATIONAL FINANCE the first AXIOM of MARXISM!! You POOR TARD!!!
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/how-did-rich-people-vote-and-why/
January 7th, 2009 at 3:08 amTracy__5 Says:
#178
“I’ll agree with you, to a qualified extent. For example, military war spending should not be “off budget,” for example.”
So this “off budget” practice that is practiced in EVERY department of the government is a common thing for private businesses to do?
YES, it's how most of wall street went BANKRUPT you IGNORANT MORON!! And it's THAT WAY because CONSERVATIVES have DELUSIONALLY FOUGHT ALL STANDARD OVERSIGHT AND REGULATION!!!!
You TARDS are DIRECTLY AND FULLY RESPONSIBLE you UNAMERICAN FASCIST PIECE OF SHIT!
January 7th, 2009 at 3:09 amTracy, I've been posting links on the topic of ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR YEARS here!! If you can't bother to REMEMBER or READ or LEARN then you're the reason why the "you can bring a jackass to water but you can't make him drink" expression exists. That and the fact that your fat wife looks like the ass of the jack...
January 7th, 2009 at 3:46 amAs long as the gate can't be unlocked from the inside, then it's good idea. It could be his prison, fancy one, but still a prison.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:34 am#191
Define “worked.” If by “worked” you mean “got everyone off welfare,” then yes."
You assume that the the government doesn't provide welfare to poor people anymore which is of course incorrect.
But it did that merely by eliminating welfare"
It didn't eliminate welfare. Where are you getting your false information from? It reformed the system....something that was way over due from the garbage system i.e. the "Great Society",set up by the Johnson administration.
If you mean that poor people are better off and have easier routes to opportunity, then no, it did the opposite of “work.”"
Most experts who have studied the welfare refoms of the 1990s disagree with your assessment. Do you have a link that proves otherwise?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0721/p09s02-coop.html
January 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm"I applaud you for your stance, and await the day you rant against the Bush administration’s waste of our taxpayer dollars"
When are you going to take a stand against all the wasteful spending in the DOE, HUD, ect...
January 7th, 2009 at 12:08 pm#193
"Tracy Admitting that BILL CLINTON presided over the MOST PROSPEROUS ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY!"
Again, just like a good socialist does, you seem the think that the reason the U.S. had excellent economic growth is mainly because of policies Clinton and the federal government. This is utter BS and if you knew anything about the private sector or business you would realize that government isn't the reason the U.S. economy performs well on average.
"Tracy Admitting that HE DOESN’T HAVE FACTS just SUPPOSITIONS to back up his CLAIM of RELATIVE INEFFICIENCY!!!"
I posted one about the DOE not being able to find 6 billion dollars. Explain how that is efficient accounting? ElBruce already concured that the way the U.S. government runs it's accounting is bogus.
"And you do realize that the DOE manages the US NUCLEAR program and that many of that MONEY DISAPPEARANCE is for COVERT ACTIVITIES - RIGHT?"
DOE and in Department of Education not Department of Energy. You didn't even read the link!
"Funny how ONLY YOU TRACY TARD brings up MARXISM while the GOP BAILS OUT THE ECONOMY"
The GOP that was for this bailout aren't economic conservatives but then again I don't see the Dems opposing the bailout either.
BTW when are you going to do what Bartlee did?
January 7th, 2009 at 12:19 pm#193
And I see that you don't even read your own links but thank for the hammer to beat you in the head with!!
From YOUR NY Times link:
This validates my statement about Bush not being a true conservative...LOL!
"The reason, Mr. Gross said is that “angry yuppies who’ve hugely benefited from President Bush’s tax cuts…have become so outraged and alienated by the incompetence, crass social conservatism,..."
"The paradox is that, while these rich states have become more strongly Democratic over time, rich voters have remained consistently more Republican than voters on the lower end of the income scale,"
Hey here is my theory that I suggested...LOL!
"Here are two other possibilities: 1.) A higher percentage of wealthy, liberal voters came to the polls this year and a higher percentage of their conservative counterparts stayed home;"
January 7th, 2009 at 12:29 pmTracy_5:
January 7th, 2009 at 12:53 pmWill you take a stand on the wasteful expenditures of the corporations receiving the taxpayer bailout dollars on bonuses and parties and salaries which are far beyond what an individual interested in a just and reasoned society need to get by?
"Will you take a stand on the wasteful expenditures of the corporations receiving the taxpayer bailout dollars on bonuses and parties and salaries which are far beyond..."
Again this is about the fifth time I have had to say this here and in other threads. I was and still am against ALL of the bailouts...so your question is a mute point.
BTW when are you going to answer my wage disparity question? If you forgot here it is again: Do you think that a trash collector should be paid the same wage as brain surgeon. And if so…why? And if not?…why? I would like to answer you "meal" question but this requires you to respond to my question first.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pmWell do both the trash collector and the brain surgeon both serve the same society? Now the brain surgeon did have to invest up front monies for the training but the trash collector serves far more customers. Assuming we had an intelligent educational system which allowed all to access it for little to no expense than any wage gap should be far less between diverse employments. Do you think the professional athlete deserves more than the volunteer fireman? I sort of notice you selected as surgeon and not a CEO who produces nothing. Coincidence?
January 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhy does it reguire me to answer first? Are you making up rules as you go along and if so who authorized you. See this is the thing. When we begin to see some members of the social group as being somehow better than others and somehow entitled to more or less for no real valid reasons we diminish our own humanity
January 7th, 2009 at 2:24 pmI couldn't believe this thread had 200 posts.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pmI also didn't realize over 100 ofit was t-5 repeating the same sh--t over and over.
And I still wouldn't pay for a gate for someone who just bought a multi-million dollar house.
tony and lido
Tracy__5 Says:
It didn’t eliminate welfare. Where are you getting your false information from? It reformed the system….something that was way over due from the garbage system i.e. the “Great Society”,set up by the Johnson administration.
For the people that were simply cut off, yes it did eliminate it for them.
If you mean that poor people are better off and have easier routes to opportunity, then no, it did the opposite of “work.””
Most experts who have studied the welfare refoms of the 1990s disagree with your assessment. Do you have a link that proves otherwise?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0721/p09s02-coop.html
ROTFL!! Most EXPERTS that aren't REPUBLICAN HACKS attribute a strong economy - remember YOU YOURSELF SAID CLINTON'S ECONOMY WAS THE STRONGEST IN AMERICAN HISTORY was the only real impacting force on welfare numbers. But don't let the FACTS affect your ELITIST IGNORANT OPINIONS!!! ROTFL!!
January 7th, 2009 at 3:04 pmTracy__5 Says:
“I applaud you for your stance, and await the day you rant against the Bush administration’s waste of our taxpayer dollars”
When are you going to take a stand against all the wasteful spending in the DOE, HUD, ect…
ROTFL! We ALWAYS RAIL against WASTEFUL spending - but most of the time it's GOP CORRUPT POLITICIANS behind it and you keep PARDONING and PROTECTING THEM FROM PROSECUTION - HYPOCRITE!!!
But as for the AMOUNT of wasteful spending relative to the size of the organization - you still haven't established that government is MORE wasteful than corporations. In fact all of the wallstreet collapse completely debunks this theory... TARD!!
January 7th, 2009 at 3:06 pmTracy__5 Says:
#193
“Tracy Admitting that BILL CLINTON presided over the MOST PROSPEROUS ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY!”
Again, just like a good socialist does, you seem the think that the reason the U.S. had excellent economic growth is mainly because of policies Clinton and the federal government. This is utter BS and if you knew anything about the private sector or business you would realize that government isn’t the reason the U.S. economy performs well on average.
Like a GOOD TARD you will never notice that the private sector does better under Democrats, but you refuse to admit they are responsible for that. Yeah, it's not like the fed controls interest rates, the treasury controls the money supply and the government controls tax laws, investment incentives and regulations!!! ROTFL!! yeah, the government has NOTHING to do with private sector growth!!!! HISTERICAL!! You couldn't be ANY MORE DUMB!
“Tracy Admitting that HE DOESN’T HAVE FACTS just SUPPOSITIONS to back up his CLAIM of RELATIVE INEFFICIENCY!!!”
I posted one about the DOE not being able to find 6 billion dollars. Explain how that is efficient accounting? ElBruce already concured that the way the U.S. government runs it’s accounting is bogus.
Vast sums of money missing from petty cash is a huge problem with ALL LARGE ORGANIZATION. The same thing is true with companies that are constantly trying to get a handle on travel expenses and other similar leaking areas of capital. The article you posted was a very wild speculation that was clearly put out by the bush administration during the time they were attacking US education expenditures. The article you cite doesn't have ANY actual confirmation of the numbers from an accounting perspective, and it doesn't state over how long of a period that number represents. In otherwords, it's as much bullsh*t as everything you post.
“And you do realize that the DOE manages the US NUCLEAR program and that many of that MONEY DISAPPEARANCE is for COVERT ACTIVITIES - RIGHT?”
DOE and in Department of Education not Department of Energy. You didn’t even read the link!
By the way, DOE is ALWAYS used to specify the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. That's why their website is http://www.doe.gov whereas the Education Department is http://www.ed.gov. I can't be responsible for your incorrect use of acronyms!!!
“Funny how ONLY YOU TRACY TARD brings up MARXISM while the GOP BAILS OUT THE ECONOMY”
The GOP that was for this bailout aren’t economic conservatives but then again I don’t see the Dems opposing the bailout either.
Actually most Democrats were against the bailout without increases in restrictions and regulations that would prevent another catastrophe. That was opposed by the GOP. You guys have NO PROBLEM GIVING OUT TRILLIONS - that's right TRILLIONS of dollars, but you refuse to regulate to avoid the bailouts. Actually THE PEOPLE THAT GAVE THE MONEY ALL CALL THEMSELVES ECONOMIC CONSERVATIVES - so your POST is a LIE! As one CONSERVATIVE wrote - THERE ARE NO LIBERTARIANS IN A CRISIS. They obviously haven't met YOU and your FELLOW EXTREMISTS~!
BTW when are you going to do what Bartlee did?
Why do I "Care" what anyone else did - FAT BOY? Are going to do what Mohammad Atta did?
January 7th, 2009 at 3:22 pmTracy__5 Says:
#193
And I see that you don’t even read your own links but thank for the hammer to beat you in the head with!!
From YOUR NY Times link:
This validates my statement about Bush not being a true conservative…LOL!
“The reason, Mr. Gross said is that “angry yuppies who’ve hugely benefited from President Bush’s tax cuts…have become so outraged and alienated by the incompetence, crass social conservatism,…”
“The paradox is that, while these rich states have become more strongly Democratic over time, rich voters have remained consistently more Republican than voters on the lower end of the income scale,”
Hey here is my theory that I suggested…LOL!
“Here are two other possibilities: 1.) A higher percentage of wealthy, liberal voters came to the polls this year and a higher percentage of their conservative counterparts stayed home;”
ROTFL!! No, see you are too TARDED to even REALIZE what you JUST READ! The LINK I SENT YOU had a SPECIFIC REFERENCE to the FACT that RICH PEOPLE VOTE MORE LIBERAL. It's also an OPINION PIECE where the person SPECULATES as DO YOU as to WHY! Those are not FACTS, those are OPINIONS and they PROVE NOTHING BUT THE OPINION OF THE PERSON THAT WROTE THEM!
however thanks for ADMITTING that my FACTS WERE RIGHT and YOURS WERE WRONG!! LOSER!
January 7th, 2009 at 3:24 pmOh and Tracy, the AIM article figures are just GOP propaganda. The GAO office found the republican figures to be complete bunk...
January 7th, 2009 at 3:34 pmOh and Tracy, the actual figures of fraud involved were MILLIONS and not BILLIONS.
In January 2002, three employees pleaded guilty to a scheme in which they defrauded the department of more than $1 million during the 1990s, and, in 2000, the department reported that $1.9 million meant for two school districts in South Dakota was fraudulently wired to improper bank accounts.
Guess the accounting regulations weren't too bad if they caught the folks, don't you think? Now the GOP run Iraqi rebuilding is a whole different matter. When Republicans ran things in Iraq, BILLIONS disappeared without oversight and enforcement. That's not a problem with GOVERNMENT though, it's a problem with REPUBLICAN CORRUPTION!
January 7th, 2009 at 3:36 pm