The Return Of Schiavo: Conservatives Plan To Revive Embarrassing Debacle To Block Obama’s DOJ Nominee
The Return Of Schiavo: Conservatives Plan To Revive Embarrassing Debacle To Block Obama’s DOJ Nominee
One of the saddest, most hysterical crusades by conservatives over the past few years involved their intervention in the case of critically brain-damaged woman Terry Schiavo. Conservatives — including former Senate majority leader Bill Frist and former House majority leader Tom DeLay — brought the personal tragedy to national attention in 2005 by trying to write legislation forcing doctors to reinsert her feeding tube and taking the “extraordinary step” of subpoenaing Schiavo to testify to Congress.
These conservatives claimed that they had the best interests of Schiavo in mind (even though they had never spoken to her). But there’s no doubt that cold political calculations were really driving their actions. A GOP memo described their efforts:
“This is an important moral issue, and the pro-life base will be excited that the Senate is debating this important issue,” said the memo, reported by ABC News and later given to The Washington Post. “This is a great political issue, because Senator Nelson of Florida has already refused to become a co-sponsor and this is a tough issue for Democrats.“
Conservatives are now brushing off the Schiavo case to use it against Thomas Perrelli, President-elect Obama’s pick for the no. 3 spot at the Justice Department. Right-wing websites are outraged at Obama’s association with Perrelli, since he was one of the lawyers who represented Michael Schiavo, who wanted his wife’s feeding tube removed. The Washington Times today reports that these conservatives are now gearing up to fight Perrelli’s nomination:
Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the Traditional Values Coalition, derided Mr. Perrelli’s selection as “just another death-peddler Obama has added to his list of nominees.” She said he’s earned the nickname among pro-lifers of “Piranha Perrelli” for his work on the case.
Tom McClusky, vice president for government affairs at the Family Research Council, said several end-of-life issues could make their way to the federal level in the next four years and having Mr. Perrelli at the department means pro-life causes would have a tougher time winning those debates.
“If the Justice Department isn’t going to do anything about it, the states, what’s to stop them from cases like Schiavo and even worse cases,” Mr. McClusky said.
Reviving the Schiavo case may not be the best decision. After all, 63 percent of the public supported the removal of the feeding tube. More importantly, 70 percent said it was inappropriate for the federal government to involve itself in the case, and 67 percent believed that these politicians were “trying to keep Schiavo alive are doing so more for political advantage than out of concern for her or for the principles involved.”
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Good luck with that, Pukies.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:33 pmYES!!! There had been rumors, but I was so desperately hoping they’d go there. So Obama will get his AG pick through while at the same time, grandstanding Republicans get to remind America that they’re all completely froot-loops.
Bonus points if they can work in Elian Gonzalez…
January 6th, 2009 at 12:35 pmWith nothing constructive to add to the recovery of America the wing nuts wont to continue to cause more damage to this country. It’s no longer about saving America it’s about stopping Obama from doing his job for the American people. As we fall deeper in debt and more soliders die the Republican Party would rather destroy the USA then help repair it. All because McCain/Palin couldn’t continue the Bush/Cheney mission of stealing, lying and causing chaos around the World.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:39 pmThese clowns are so out of touch with how ridiculous they it’s hilarious . That’s not to say Terry Schiavo wasn’t a tragic case but for the opposite reasons than espoused by the idiot right. To not be allowed to die in peace with out all the unholy uproar was the sin
January 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pmLet us not forget the truth of the case – after it was over an autopsy was performed and, correct me if I am wrong, it showed that Terry’s brain was effectively gone. Removing the feeding tube was the right thing to do.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pmI’m sure that all of the Republican Senators who are lawyers have had only the most boring, non-controversial, squeaky-clean of clients. And of course, all of the Republican Senators are themselves non-controversial and squeaky-clean, far removed from DeLay, Frist, Cunningham, Abrahamof, Ney, etc. So, they are in the perfect position to take this path of opposition.
**ouch!! I bit my tongue when it was planted in my cheek.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pmYes! Let the repugs show everyone again how ridiculous they are.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pmGet used to it. This will be tactic for the next 8 years.
Let us not forget that these issues will all be dusted off the shelves for all AG (Holder) & Justice nominees from the right wingers:
1. Schiavo
2. Waco, TX Branch Dividians
3. Elian Gonzalez
4. Clinton pardons
5. The Clinton Library donors
5. I firmly believe Monica Lewinksy will come up as well
It’s like a bad rerun from the 90’s and early 00’s for the GOP to see if there is any left-over political capital to shake out of these worn-out issues.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pmBring it on byatch. These idiots should look at the statistics of people who fill out living wills. I’ve never heard anybody say they wanted to be kept alive with artificial support for decades if they’re incapacitated. I’d bet Dr. Kevorkian has more supporters than these crazies.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:51 pmIrony alert!!! We’re not nearly as amusing as you so called “pro-lifers” who love the death penalty and recreational wars.
And “playing God”, really? What do you call forcefully keeping the patient suffering after hear brain and body have stopped functioning. Idiot.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pmLTdan Says:
Sweet Baby Jeebus… that sure was a load of inane, hysterical BS you posted.
Care to try again, and mebbe have a real point to make this time?
January 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pmI love it how the Repignofascists simply cannot put away the KKKarl von Rove playbook. Please, Repignofascists, keep this sort of non-issue issue in the public’s eye and do so all the way until the 2010 election.
Please.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pmLTdan Says:
I find it some what comical the same folks who want to keep convicted child rapists and serial killers alive want to pull the plug on innocent people. Who told you people you could play god?
Did God tell you that you were allowed to put those people to death? Show me the signed letter and I’ll reconsider my position.
BTW, I would point out to you that some of us oppose the use of capital punishment in any case. We feel the system is seriously flawed, and too many innocent people have been sentenced to death. Fortunately, not all of them have been executed yet, so there’s still time. (See The Innocence Project.) Did you know that while governor of Texas, Bush commuted the death sentence of a major serial killer to life in prison?
And it’s true what Shayne said. The loudest supporters of the use of capital punishment tend to be the “right-to-lifers” with their “sanctity of human life argument”. It’s called “hypocrisy”, and it’s not a good thing to be caught exhibiting.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pmLTdan, if God didn’t want Terri to die then why didn’t he let her feed herself? Or keep her from having that accident in the first place? Or restore her brain functioning? Or let her live on even without food?
And while the prolifers frantically crafted a “save Schiavo bill”, I don’t recall them creating and passing an “anti-abortion bill” or starting an “anti-abortion Constitutional amendment”. Could it be that this was “a great political issue” to exploit for political gain? Now, the Republicans wouldn’t do that, would they?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pmThat’s the problem with self-delusion. You don’t realize that everyone knows you are full of sh!t.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pmI do that anyway about once a week. Their tears taste delicious.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pmLTdan Says:
Well, to start off, I call it MURDER when you pull the plug. So much for the ” peace loving democrat/liberal ” meme. I don’t classify killing innocent babies and injured people as peaceful. Maybe “murderous” is a better term to use.
Who gives a F*#% what you call it? Anybody…Does anybody give a f*^# what LTdan says?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:05 pmLTdan says; blah, blah, blah.
Please go to the nearest ER to have your head extracted from your rectum.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pmJust make sure you let your family know you want to be kept on life support forever, no matter how much pain and suffering is involved. Even when you’re unable to swallow and continuously drools all over yourself forcing your family to be your baby sitter and driving them all into the poor house. Oh, but you better make sure you’re on the government dole, either Medicare or Medicaid and the taxpayer is supporting you because there’s not an insurance company that will pay to keep you alive once you’re in that condition.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pmAs misguided at these people are to bring up this embarrassing part of our history, I hope it leads to a rational discussion on the issue of the Right to Die. It doesn’t get talked about enough. People should have the legal right to end their own lives as long as they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. No one should be kept alive just because someone else, even a family member (but most especially someone not even related to them), doesn’t want them to die.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:08 pmLTdan Says:
Well, to start off, I call it MURDER when you pull the plug.
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They did an autopsy afterwards. The woman was brain-dead. She was never going to recover, get up, talk, or walk around.
Perhaps, seeing as you also appear to be BRAIN-DEAD, that is way you call it murder, huh?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:08 pmStop whining LTdan, you’re alive while obviously severely brain damaged.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pmApparently the GOP (Grand Obstructionist Party) is incapable of learning from their mistakes. Their stupidity is truly stunning.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm>critically brain-damaged woman
I beleive clinically brain dead is the proper term. Not sure what the technical definition of brain death was but the uncontroverted expert opinion, confirmed by an autopsy, was that this woman had no vestigate of consciousness remaining and that her actions were essentially reflexes and nothing more. And dont even get me started about the way these people conveniently chose to ignore the whole “sanctity of marriage” thing when it suited their purposes. It amazes me that all these biblehumping fetushugging jesus freaks were having hystronics over the remote possibility that an innocent human consciousness could be extinguised, yet very few of them seemed to be so bothered by the fact innocent life could also hypothetically be taken whenever the death penalty is administered. then again, your talking about people who belong to an institution who cares deeply about things that cause children to be killed..until they leave the womb… hipocracy, thy name is christianity..
January 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pmIt’s cute that LTdan doesn’t seem to mind the Republican party’s slow suicide.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pmSomeone’s trying to make wine from sour grapes…
January 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pmA.) Based on home movies,Herr Dr. Frist declares Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state, claiming, “She certainly seems to respond to visual stimuli.”
B.) Meanwhile, based on cable news footage, thousands declare Bill Frist a pandering, cat-killing, morally-bankrupt jackass who would sell-out his soul and his profession to get on the teevee.
Can you guess which diagnosis was wrong?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pmLTdan Says:
So much for the ” peace loving democrat/liberal ” meme. I don’t classify killing innocent babies and injured people as peaceful. Maybe “murderous” is a better term to use.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
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I can only assume, then, that you’re firmly opposed to Israel’s ongoing attack on Gaza, which has targeted many innocent babies and injured people.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pmOh my gosh…How many times do conservatives have to burn their hands on the stove before they stop touching it?
I find it amazing that these were the people the left were so worried about for all those years. If this is the future of the Republican party, we can all sleep easy. These people are almost to be pitied.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pmLTdan Says:
Oh, so we should just kill off everyone who is brain dead?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
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How do you “kill someone off” if they’re already dead? Or are you suggesting that Terri Schaivo was a zombie?
If so, she was a pretty lame one. I don’t recall her eating one brain during that entire fiasco.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pmLTdan Says:
Don’t really have anything constructive to add to the conversation……..
just here to pick a fight. Don’t really care about the issues, just want to stir shit…….
likes to call people names that disagree with it.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pmLTdan Says:
Oh, so we should just kill off everyone who is brain dead?
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Begging for your life here?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm>Well, to start off, I call it MURDER
> when you pull the plug.
Sorry pal, its called “withdrawl of medical treatment”, and all 50 states allow spouses to make those decisions for thier incapacitated spouse in the abscense on any other directives from the incapacitated indivual. Let me guess, you dont support the right of spouses to make medical decisions, do you?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
As misguided at these people are to bring up this embarrassing part of our history, I hope it leads to a rational discussion on the issue of the Right to Die. It doesn’t get talked about enough.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
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True. But it’s not really a national issue, is it? Far as I know, that issue is up to the state courts and legislatures to decide, unless Congress passes something harmonizing state definitions of patient rights.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pmLTdan Says:
Oh, so we should just kill off everyone who is brain dead?
Well, according to the fabulous for-profit healthcare system we have, we ought to only off the brain dead ones WHO CAN’T PAY FOR THEIR CONTINUING CARE.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
If so, she was a pretty lame one. I don’t recall her eating one brain during that entire fiasco.
Well… she was surrounded by right-wing protesters. No wonder she would’ve starved as a zombie.
/Sorry… ’twas too easy.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pmIt makes sense that Repubs would identify with a brain-dead person.
Visit lovely Wingnutania:
January 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVPy-ejcbjM
Since the autopsy showed Terri to be effectively DEAD at the time her feeding tube was removed (with some body systems being kept alive by artificial means), we now know that Michael Schiavo and his team of lawyers (including Perrelli) did the right thing.
So who’s gearing up for this fight? There are a lot of malcontent wingnuts out there who will clutch any straw they can to fight against ANY Obama appointee, and this is the rather silly straw they’ve got against Perrelli. Problem is, they have to get enough Senators on their side to make obstruction effective. And even the dimmest GOP Senator realizes that they now have reduced political capital, and they may not want to spend it all on something like this.
As far as their trying to pin the “murderer” label on Perrelli — well, that meme only plays to the choir (and that’s shrinking).
January 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pmOne inconsistency these “right to lifer’s” have never been able to resolve is the fact that most of them are pro death penalty. How can you say that “all life is sacred” except for the life of people convicted of a capital crime. And that’s not even considering how many people have been executed who were undoubtedly innocent of the crime they were convicted of.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pmOh boy! Next thing you know, the Republicans will renew their drive to kill Social Security.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pmIgnore the fundamental rightie sheeptroll. It somehow believes after all these years of happily capitalizing on the fundie vote by using “right to life” as a wedge issue that Republican Senators would actually change laws to suit them. Face it troll, the GOP uses you! They have used religious fanatics for votes for decades! If they seriously wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade why didn’t they do it over the six years that they controlled the White House, Senate, Congress and Supreme Court? Why didn’t they pass legislation declaring marriage as only for man/woman relationships? For that matter, why do you support a party that is so deeply rife with such hypocritical “family values” deviants? You and your fundie friends deserve the Republican Party and all the ridicule that comes with it for blindly supporting a party that clearly doesn’t take you seriously (except for election cycles).
January 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
And that’s not even considering how many people have been executed who were undoubtedly innocent of the crime they were convicted of.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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Well we all know how much Republicans hate science, so they certainly don’t believe in exoneration by DNA.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pmOh, bring it on. Yes, please, remind everyone what assholes you truly are. This is great stuff…
January 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pmI agree that it is amusing to watch the fundies squirm.
Imagine, the gop or the fundie party was in total power for 6 years and they didn’t address one single issue that the religious right insisted on them fixing…….some people never learn.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pmRepublicans — The gift that keeps on giving…
January 6th, 2009 at 1:35 pmFred Says:
Imagine, the gop or the fundie party was in total power for 6 years and they didn’t address one single issue that the religious right insisted on them fixing…….some people never learn.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
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Well, duh! The carrot stops working if you let the rabbit actually EAT the freakin thing.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pmTake this one and run fundies. Dust off the opposition to stem cell research too while you are at it. No really, I am sure that the 75% of Americans who disagreed with you last time have changed their minds due to your incessant shouting and lecturing.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm#55 Matt,
You forgot:
Soldiers
January 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
the rabbit
January 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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Or donkey, if you want to be idiomatically correct. :)
January 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pmLTdan Says:
Wrong question who told YOU that you could whine like a moron that the law which allowed Shiavo to decide for herself to deny medical care should be ignored because YOU dont approve. Who said YOU could play God and put YOUR need to snivel like a pious punk above HER rights according to the Florida constitution. I mean besides your obvious stupidity
January 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pmBut on the bright side: This stops them bashing gays, at least for a few days.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pmhussein toasterhead, don’t you mean elephant?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pmLTdan Says:
Well, to start off, I call it MURDER when you pull the plug.
Most people do just fine without plugs. Being kept alive by machines isn’t life.
I consider “murder” to be reserved for killing a person. From all that we know about the human body, you are not a person – i.e. have no mind/soul – if you have no electrical activity in your brain. As such, your complaint is equivalent to protesting that burying someone who’s heart isn’t beating is also “murder.” It’s not. They’re already dead. And the same held true for Schiavo.
You may imagine that we are a bunch of heartless bastards who want people to die. But this isn’t a moral argument at all, and the windmills you’re tilting at are only windmills after all. This is a factual question of biology. Human bodies with no brain activity are not people; the people who used to inhabit them have checked out. They’re dead, in terms of humanity if not raw biology.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pmLTdan Says:
Way to show how stupid you are and what a typical Republican you are in your inability to understand, well, virtually anything. It is far from murder to allow someone to decide for themselves what measures should be taken to keep them alive. Terri got HER RIGHTS upheld. Morons like YOU are just little whiners that YOUR judgement not be put above the judgement of the person IN the situation. You are so arrogant you think we shouldnt HAVE constitutions rather we should ask you pious scolds what rights a Terri Shiavo has. Its stupid and arrogant but then apparantly so are you
January 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pmFred Says:
Imagine, the gop or the fundie party was in total power for 6 years and they didn’t address one single issue that the religious right insisted on them fixing…….some people never learn.
The Republicans will never address their wedge issues. If they did, they would no longer be wedge issues. Without them, the Republicans can’t win.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
hussein toasterhead, don’t you mean elephant?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
No, though that would indeed be metaphorically correct, referring to the Democratic donkey versus the Republican elephant. But the idiom carrot and stick refers to a donkey, at least as of its first recorded usage in 1948.
Where “rabbit” came from I’ve no idea. Perhaps I’m catching a bit of secondhand insane from some of the trolls. ;_;
January 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pmA Patriot Acting Says:
Face it troll, the GOP uses you! They have used religious fanatics for votes for decades!
This.
If you’d cut the strings held by your cynical GOP puppetmasters, we could have a reasonable discussion on effective methods to reduce the number of abortions performed in a given year. But they’d rather keep us fighting over whether criminalization is the only route available. We could discuss rational definitions of life and death if we weren’t kept in a Mexican standoff by people who profit from the division.
It would be nice to have more to say about things we should be agreeing on, such as the condition of the poor, and the overbearing power weilded by the rich. As I recall, Jesus and Marx were in a lot of agreement on that. So why not us? Or how about the environment? If you believe that the Earth as it is was provided by God, then the protection of endangered species should be a top priority for you, as it is for liberals.
It should be obvious by now through the in/actions of so many Republicans (and Republican/Evangelical crossover types like Ralph Reed) that you’re being played, solely as a means to the end of keeping them in power. Power is all they worship, and the only altar that they bow to.
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nanlichi Says:
Dust off the opposition to stem cell research too while you are at it.
Yes, definitely. They’ve got a real winner in that one. Boy, I sure don’t hope the GOP notices how easily they could beat us by campaigning on stem cell research bans! We’d be TOAST!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pmI wonder if the righties would have cared about Terry if she had been gay.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pmIt’s interesting that favoring ‘life’ comes down to more government control. Whether it’s abortion, feeding tubes, stem cells, or ‘gay life’, it’s always about the government making these decisions for us. Brought to you by people who want less government.
It’s the paranoid schitzoid telling you to relax….I’m fine, thanks.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:23 pmProud Says: so you all need to watch.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pmWhy the hell would I want to watch ManCoulter?
And why should I take advice from a prick like you?
STFU Tool Troll
hussein toasterhead, you are correct, of course. Perhaps it is I who have the secondhand insane. But then, I wouldn’t be admitting I am wrong, would I? Ok, life is good!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm“Pride” is one of the deadly sins.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pm“Proud” is one of the deadly dins.
Proud Says:
All these horrible topics and such hatred on both sides, Govenor Wallace oops I mean Harry Reid blocking the schoolhouse door so blacks can’t take their rightful spot. The only good news today is NBC’s complete lack of a backbone. Ann Coulter has been re-booked on the today show so you all need to watch.
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Allow me to relay this message to you, basement dwelling troll loser: You are not qualified to audit the democratic party. The republican party is no longer on equal footing the with the democratic party. The republican party is a permanent lame duck looking for a power grab. You are now a fourth party, go pay your dues right alongside Wayne Root and Bob Barr.
As for mAnn Coulter, how about the prune stop posing on the cover of every crappy book she vomits?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pmWhen Terry Schiavo could walk, talk, and feed herself; she chose to purge. She destroyed her body with bulimia. It’s a cruel irony that all these yahoos were demanding forced feeding and that the image of her being broadcast to the world was…what it was. It’s all very tragic.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pmAre you Proud of your ignorance?
Are you Proud to know not a thing about the political process our founders envisioned?
Are yo Proud to be one of those air-headed conformists with a cell phone super glued to your ear?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pmShroud says:
Nothing relevant to the topic at hand.
Typical.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pmWhat is percentage of all the babies adopted here in this country by the anti-abortion wacko’s? It’s got to be around 90-95% right? Surely they do adopt thousands of babies every month!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pmWhat part of Muskogee you from Mr. Proud?
If we do this stem cell research the right way we could identify the gene that turns a normal fetus into a blabbering idiot fundy and abort them.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pmIt’s a cruel irony that all these yahoos gathered around Terry Schiavo’s body, demanding that she be force fed. She destroyed her body with bulimia. Look at the image of her that was broadcast to every corner of the planet. Who would want to be seen like that?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pmAnd what fact do you base any of that on?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pmProud Says:
Oh and I forgot, what are your thoughts on your dear leader Harry?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
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He’s doing exactly the right thing. Burris has not met the required legal qualifications to serve as U.S. Senator. Any attempt to make it a racial issue is simply a pathetic grasping at straws.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pmProudLiberalChristan @ 12:48,
January 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pmLets not forget Scooter Libby, Marc Rich’s Attorney of Record!
Proud Says:
Schiavo was murdered simply because her dirtbag husband wanted her dead.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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He forced her on that starvation diet?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pmGee, if they would muster half of that energy for adoption programs, perhaps the number of adoptions would increase…
January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pmProud Says:
Schiavo was murdered simply because her dirtbag husband wanted her dead. The situation was horrible and I do agree that there is no reason to bring it back again.
You can’t murder someone with no brain function. Is that really the best you have to offer? Pitiful.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pmucsbclassics53 Says:
Gee, if they would muster half of that energy for adoption programs, perhaps the number of adoptions would increase…
January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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And if they would muster the other half of that energy for sex education programs, the need for abortions would decrease.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pmProud Says:
My GOD you are ignorant and a lying moron as well. Why dont you go outside and play with the other special children and let the adults talk now. When you see that big yellow ball in the sky that brings light and warmth dont worship it or be afraid its just the Sun that you never see from your mommys basement. What a putz you are.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pmFacts? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!
They are the willfull ignorant. They create their own reality, and it looks like nothing recognizable.
The fundies crawl out from under the rock and swallow the bait the Repugs troll in front of them. Abortion, gays, stem cells, Schiavo, evolution…. They are reliable, just not very smart. And has been pointed out, the GOP doesn’t ever want to address these issues, how would they entice the dipshits out from under the rock?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pmShroud says:
Schiavo was murdered, then blah blah blah blah
Really, murdered? Have the killers been convicted?
Hey, I’ve got one for you, Shroud.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pmThere is a rare disease which causes complete paralysis, with the exception of the eyelids to blink, which is how the poor soul inflicted with this disease, can communicate. Here’s the kicker, tho. The nerves still can register pain, just like normal. The brain functions, just like normal. Bodily excretions happen, just like normal.
So, in effect, the patient has basically no ability to move, but yet can feel everything, from a catheter being inserted to the needle poke of a spinal tap. And can’t yell, or scream, or talk, or write. Just a painstakingly, slow response for “1 blink:yes, 2 blinks:no”.
One particular 18 year old patient inflicted with this disease was in so much pain, that he continuously “blinked” to anyone who would ask, that he wanted to die. His dad doesn’t, and has kept his son because he doesn’t want to lose him, even though it means his son lives in a torturous hell.
What would you do Shroud?
What would you do?
Proud Says:
Schiavo was murdered simply because her dirtbag husband wanted her dead. The situation was horrible and I do agree that there is no reason to bring it back again.
Gaza innocents were murdered because you wanted them dead. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead because you wanted them dead. Or were they just brown people destined to a life of brownitude?
Awww, whatsamatta troll? Is Hamas under your wittle bed?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pmProud Says:
Schiavo was murdered simply because her dirtbag husband wanted her dead. The situation was horrible and I do agree that there is no reason to bring it back again.
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You are a liar a fool and stupid beyond human understanding. Terris RIGHT according to the Florida constitutuion to NOT be kept alive on life support was upheld by the courts. The score since I am sure you are too stupid to remember was 25 court decisions FOR her right and ZERO against. What was horrible is the false piety morons like YOU that thought YOUR need to piously scold everyone should trump HER right to deny life support. Like we ought to disband courts and constitutions and just ask YOU what ought to be done in each case. You are an arrogant ignorant shuck
January 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pmTerri’s mother Mary accused her husband Michael of murder. Baselessly.
She got her evidence from the same source Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity get theirs: she pulled it straight from her ass.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pmYou’re just a flat out liar. She wan’t murdered. This happens every day in real life. You would know that if you were a real person.
For somone who is so horrified by the situation you sure seem to be facinated with talking about it.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:57 pmAwwwwwww.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pmDid widdle Shroudie run away?
Darn, and we were having such intelligent discourse.
DRxJ Says:
One particular 18 year old patient inflicted with this disease was in so much pain, that he continuously “blinked” to anyone who would ask, that he wanted to die. His dad doesn’t, and has kept his son because he doesn’t want to lose him, even though it means his son lives in a torturous hell.
What would you do Shroud?
What would you do?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
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Keep the kid alive and in pain, of course! That kid is a poster child for conservative values – Life, Torture, and Keeping Your Mouth Shut
January 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pmProud Says:
Govenor Wallace oops I mean Harry Reid blocking the schoolhouse door so blacks can’t take their rightful spot.
Reid and all of the Democratic Senators signed a letter stating that they would not accept any nomination sent by Blagojevich, before anybody knew who, or whether, he would nominate. So just because he nominated an African-American, they should go back on their word?
Listening to Republicans talk about civil rights is like listening to a dog quack: you can’t do it right, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and it’s in direct conflict with your true nature anyways. So it’s no wonder that you’re completely wrong about what you’re talking about when you try to talk about it.
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Proud Says:
The only good news today is NBC’s complete lack of a backbone. Ann Coulter has been re-booked on the today show so you all need to watch.
Ann Coulter said that all Arab-Americans should be put in concentration camps. She stands by that statement. And she’s said more that’s just as obscene, perhaps worse. And she stands by all of those statements as well. There’s a certain level of inflammatory discourse that should exlude one from access to prominent media platforms. Should the Today show book neo-Nazis on demand as well?
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Proud Says:
Schiavo was murdered simply because her dirtbag husband wanted her dead.
Michael Schiavo recognized that his wife was no longer there because she was in a permanent state of brain death. He also was fully aware of her wishes should she find herself in that situation, and fought to have her own wishes executed. Her estranged family didn’t care about her medical condition or her wishes, merely their own agenda. The House Republicans obviously didn’t care about her at all, they just wanted to posture and grandstand for their “base” of issue-blinded puppets. Now they want to do it again.
I think it’s pretty obvious who the “dirtbags” were/are in that situation.
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wiley Says:
When Terry Schiavo could walk, talk, and feed herself; she chose to purge. She destroyed her body with bulimia.
I wouldn’t write bulimia off as a choice. Compulsive behavior typically doesn’t involve much of an act of will.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:17 pmI remember that mess very well. The government inserting itself in a family matter they knew nothing about. I remember that doctor that stood on the senate floor and diagnosed Schiavo from a ten minute film. He said he could see her eyes move and follow people around the room. He said she was sensate and aware.
They stepped in and tried to savage her husband. Bush came back practically in his pj’s to sign a law. I watched people that knew nothing, that had no business and no stake in this woman’s life. I listened to all the best doctors and neurologists who examined this woman over the years all said she would not recover. She was nearly brain dead. All this for 15 years.
Well as it turned out, after the autopsy she was brain dead. Half of her brain was gone. The part of the brain that dictates sight and movement. And the eye movements were spasms and her so called speaking was false too. The part of her brain that promoted speech was gone. That so called diagnosis was a cruel Republican joke. A play for the right wing nut jobs. This woman had a husband that stuck with her for 15 years and finally had begun a life again.
Her father and mother could not stand the thought of that. They could not bear to think of her never getting well. So they fought her husband. The lies that surrounded her illness were legion. And the so called right to life people, total strangers got into it.
And who would be responsible for her life after her parents died? How good would the care be in an institution and left in a bed? What about the quality of life for someone who could not hear, see, or eat,or move on her own?
Surely the quality of life should come into play somewhere. And surely her husband and so many years of doctors must have some more humane idea of what her lack of life must be. Should not her husband have been able to say as he did, she would not want to exist like this?
Now these idiots who have no idea of such a life want to resurrect the whole idea of life no matter what. What kind of brain dead idiots live here? In the name of religion evidently any outrage is allowed.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:25 pmElBurceO, well said again. Your opinions are always well thought out, thanks for your input here.
Everytime I see your name I say it with an O on the end. Seems natural, like El Toro, El Dorado etc.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHow come the “small government” party always wants government interferring with sensitive private family matters? Next I suppose they will tell me I have some sort of right to all sorts of weapons I don’t need but I can’t seek assisted suicide for my terminal illness if I so choose?
January 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pmElBruce Says:
I wouldn’t write bulimia off as a choice. Compulsive behavior typically doesn’t involve much of an act of will.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
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Bulimia may not be a choice. Not seeking treatment for bulimia, however, is a choice.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:01 pmWhat do conservatives want? Fanatics? Easy marks?
January 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pmClinton’s peeeeennnissss!!!! Clinton’s peeeeeeeeennnniiisssssss!!!!!
Predictable, in a sad sort of way. Scientists have demonstrated something akin to “learning” even in bacteria. Strangely, it elude the foaming RWers.
Cheers,
January 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pmcurious Says:
I remember that mess very well. The government inserting itself in a family matter they knew nothing about. I remember that doctor that stood on the senate floor and diagnosed Schiavo from a ten minute film. He said he could see her eyes move and follow people around the room. He said she was sensate and aware.
Bill Frist was the guy. You have to wonder what he was thinking in intentionally giving her family false hopes by a faked diagnosis just in order to bang his own party’s political drum. Who could do such a thing? How do you live with yourself after that?
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livelongandprosper Says:
Everytime I see your name I say it with an O on the end. Seems natural, like El Toro, El Dorado etc.
Actually, it’s pronounced “el BROO-chay.” In the ancient language of the Andean Quechan tribes, this roughly translates to “insufferable thinks-he-knows-it-all bastard.”
And thank you for the kind and gracious compliments.
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hussein toasterhead Says:
Bulimia may not be a choice. Not seeking treatment for bulimia, however, is a choice.
One has to factor in how much information the person has about the condition as well as the amount of stigma attached to it. Saying something merely is/not “a choice” comes uncomfortably close to blaming the victim, IMO.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pmMaybe the R’s are thinking “hey, we had a majority back when we pushed on this stuff, if we do it again, we’ll get the majority back.”
The problem with this line of thought is that it’s the other way aroung – they got away with such ridiculous issues back then specifically because they had a strong enough majority that they could afford to. They can’t afford to be so silly today.
In a current political climate in which they’re already being drubbed mercilessly, there aren’t many voters who are going to be interested in such issues who weren’t already voting R anyways. As such, they’re just playing to a smaller and smaller segment of their already shrinking base.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pmMy fellow Progressives. Please visit this blog (see url below). I have been bashing the heck out of the right wing lunatics all day. You would be amazed by their sense of stupidity, ignorance, and hypocrisy. I am outnumbered by a ratio of 1:10, but I’m loving every single moment of it, hahaha.
YOu will also notice that many of them are calling for an ARMED REVOLUTION, hahahaha. These right wing lunatics are out in full force! Happy reading!!!
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30143&page=52&viewID=683108
January 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pmDRxJ Says:
There is a rare disease which causes complete paralysis, with the exception of the eyelids to blink, which is how the poor soul inflicted with this disease, can communicate. Here’s the kicker, tho. The nerves still can register pain, just like normal. The brain functions, just like normal. Bodily excretions happen, just like normal.
So, in effect, the patient has basically no ability to move, but yet can feel everything, from a catheter being inserted to the needle poke of a spinal tap. And can’t yell, or scream, or talk, or write. Just a painstakingly, slow response for “1 blink:yes, 2 blinks:no”.
One particular 18 year old patient inflicted with this disease was in so much pain, that he continuously “blinked” to anyone who would ask, that he wanted to die. His dad doesn’t, and has kept his son because he doesn’t want to lose him, even though it means his son lives in a torturous hell.
What would you do Shroud?
What would you do?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
My god, that’s horrendous. How can a parent see their child in constant agony and begging for death, and ignore it — even if losing that child would be so very painful? I weep for that young man.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pmRenel C: I’ll give it a shot for a bit.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pmCareful that site caused immediate security issues.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:46 pmwhere the hell is bit?
January 6th, 2009 at 5:57 pmdbadass is correct.
Do not follow the link from RenelC @ 121
Renel C Says:
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My fellow Progressives. Please visit this blog (see url below). I have been bashing the heck out of the right wing lunatics all day. You would be amazed by their sense of stupidity, ignorance, and hypocrisy. I am outnumbered by a ratio of 1:10, but I’m loving every single moment of it, hahaha.
YOu will also notice that many of them are calling for an ARMED REVOLUTION, hahahaha. These right wing lunatics are out in full force! Happy reading!!!
THIS IS A MALICIOUS SITE !!!!!!!!
http://www.humanevents.com/ article.php?id=30143&page=52&viewID=683108
THIS IS A MALICIOUS SITE !!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:01 pmRenelC Flagged for posting malicious hyperlinks
January 6th, 2009 at 9:02 pmRenel C is a child. Renel C is a child who has issues. Renel C need s some professional assistance in dealing with the child-like issues which trouble Renel C.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:06 pmLate in the post I will add my 2 cents. Please do not call them pro-life, these people are pro-birth as they do not care about helping the mother or baby after its born.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pmGreen-Party Says:
Please do not call them pro-life, these people are pro-birth as they do not care about helping the mother or baby after its born.
It’s like some weird population-growth cult. They’ll say any amount of mutually contradictory things, so long as whatever they’re saying maximizes population growth. Abortion is bad. Birth control is bad. Comprehensive sex education is bad. Adoption is good. Death with dignity is bad. There’s only one thing these “culture of life” issues all have in common: maximal population growth.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:14 amPerrelli has also been the RIAA’s number one go-to guy for lawsuits against filesharers. In fact, it appears that he even engineered their strategy. Further, he repped SoundExchange in front of the Copyright Royalty Board to set draconian royalty rates that would put most internet radio operations out of business (Pandora, SomaFM, most terrestrial streaming stations like NPR affiliates, etc.):
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10133425-38.html
So by all means, please leap to his defense.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:38 amhussein toasterhead Says:
ucsbclassics53 Says:
Gee, if they would muster half of that energy for adoption programs, perhaps the number of adoptions would increase…
January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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And if they would muster the other half of that energy for sex education programs, the need for abortions would decrease.
Then they wouldn’t have a political issue to beat their opponents with…oh noes! which tells you a lot about how they function…
January 7th, 2009 at 2:34 amGOP = the “New Obstructionists”
January 7th, 2009 at 10:37 amJanuary 7th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Are you calling my father a “murderer” bc he pulled the plug on his 97 y/o mother after the docs told him she was brain dead? Then, sir, you are a brain-washed simpleton.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:48 amdbadass Says:
where the hell is bit?
January 6th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
What is dbadass? Got no one to pummel?
Try LTdan. Everyone else is, and LTdan seems to be taking it rather well. As of this post LTdan made 2 post, and there have been twenty-five responses to his two. That would make LTdan responsible for 27/135 post on this thread.
Reason bit has not posted? bit doesn’t have an opinion on everything, and even when he has an opinion, he doesn’t feel obligated to share.
-Best
January 7th, 2009 at 11:48 ambit
hey there! i am a staunchly pro-choice democrat. i am also a person with a disability. the schaivo case was not just fought by pro-lifers. it was and continues to be fought by people with disabilities themselves, because we recognize that the medical profession and the world do not value us and continually underestimate our quality of life. so go ahead and celebrate, my fellow democrats, but this is a civil rights issue and we will not stand by while you so callously disregard the value of our lives. i want this to be the end of this discussion until this community is educated on this issue from a disability rights perspective.
you should look up the real facts of the case. the only reason it made it to court was all the money she had. someone on medicaid would have had thier plug pulled within 10 days, whether or not the entire family disagrred. that’s called “futile care”. nice, huh?
write it down in your will if you want the plug pulled. write it down on a napkin for god’s sake, but please stop trying to get laws passed that say that my life is not worth living. YOU are the one’s with no idea what its like!
i’m getting a dog tag that says “keep me alive at all possible expense to the government”.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:56 pmAmanda Turkel is a paid liar, a psychopath of the first order, she has no idea what she is talking or lying about…she simply lies upon demand because that is what she is paid to do. Amanda Turkel does not care who she hurts, she never interviews her intended targets and victims…she is almost illiterate in that she does not read anything in context but is a hysterical dumb cunt who makes a living torturing and lying other people. You have been found out and exposed for what you are. As an Atheist…I am appalled at your lack of morals and ethics…get out of this country, go back to hiding under the rock from where you came from.
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