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For instance, girls who are victims of violence from dating partners are four to six times more likely than non-abused girls to become pregnant. (Harvard School of Public Health)

Addressing the rising tide of teen pregnancy means teaching you people about science based sexual health, and also helping them understand what healthy relationships look like and how to spot signs of abuse.

Learn more, share a story or take action at http://www.knowmoresaymore.org

Now there’s a Christian I can agree with. Thank you for sharing that.

Lately, however, we non-lunatics are recalling what Jesus and the Bible, especially Corinthians 13, have said about judgmentalism and lack of charity/love. Our coreligionists have NOT been acting in love (except love for their own smug “virtues” and dogma). With their emphasis on “works”–works as narrowly construed by themselves–rather than upon grace;with their utter lack of compassion; with their refusal to remember that they, too, are sinners saved by grace; with their emphasis on attacking anything outside of their narrow version of “morality,” these sounding brasses and tinkling cymbals have created a cacophony of cruelty. We who DO try to live out a loving, Bible-based faith need to muffle that catastrophic clamor before it repels even more people who think, mistakenly, that Jesus APPROVES nasty noise.

Incidentally, intercessory prayer has NOTHING in common with the harmful, bigoted facets of “the Moral Majority.” It’s clean, private, pure, beneficial, loving, and Biblical.

So you’re suggesting because a church promotes abstinence, teens never receive any type of education on sex whatsoever?

Nice straw man, there – rephrasing my point as an absolute blanket statement. But I’ll bite…

Abstinence-only “education” avoids mentioning a lot of important information. Here, maybe you missed this part:

Mississippi schools are not required to teach sexuality education or sexually transmitted disease (STD)/HIV education. If schools choose to teach either or both forms of education, they must stress abstinence-until-marriage, including “the likely negative psychological and physical effects of not abstaining.” […]

If the school board authorizes the teaching of contraception, state law dictates that the failure rates and risks of each contraceptive method must be included and “in no case shall the instruction or program include any demonstration of how condoms or other contraceptives are applied.”

In addition, a lot of abstinence-only programs intentionally give inaccurate information, such as telling people that condoms do nothing to prevent pregnancy. Some personal examples have been cited in this very thread.

Spending the majority of your curriculum just saying “don’t do it” is less time that could be spent explaining the actual risk factors, and other methods to prevent or mitigate them.

Also: telling people about only one option will inevitably be seen by them as an attempt to take choice out of their hands. As soon as they realize there’s any other option (even the worst one) they’re more likely to exercise it, than if they had a non-judgemental picture of the risks and consequences for all options.

It’s not the job of schools to tell kids what to do in life, it’s their job to provide information. Indoctrination is not information. The consequences of conflating the two may be viewed at the top of this webpage. If kids are given school-based information plus church-based indoctrination, that’s fine and even appropriate.

Read the article. Mississippi has abstinence only sex-ed. in PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
Mississippi also has the HIGHEST rate of teen pregnancies.
It has nothing to do with church teachings and everything to do with what is taught in PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
Caleb

Nobody else has any reason to promote abstinence-only “educational” programs. If you of anyone not connected to any religious organizations who would do such a ridiculous thing, I’d be interested to know who they are.

So you’re suggesting because a church promotes abstinence, teens never receive any type of education on sex whatsoever?

No, this is about how ‘abstinence only’ education has been shown time and again to be a poor method of preventing teen pregnancy. Religious organizations should be free to promote abstinence but schools should also be free to teach teens about sex.

Why?

Because we agree that unplanned teen pregnancies are a burden on our social fabric and comprehensive sex-ed has been shown to decrease them while ‘abstinence only’ education has not. In fact, it seems to lead to even more unplanned teen pregnancies.

This is not about creationism at all.

Hey, you’re the one who used the phrase “…preventing basic biology from being taught…” But we can save that discussion for elsewhere.

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Fireball Says:

This is about TP trying to frame teen pregnancy as strictly the fault of religious organizations promotion of abstinence.

Nobody else has any reason to promote abstinence-only “educational” programs. If you of anyone not connected to any religious organizations who would do such a ridiculous thing, I’d be interested to know who they are.

Or maybe another way to look at it is they have more to gain in the way of Welfare. More kids = more government breaks ($$)to them. Which also means more tax dollars from the rest of us.

I’ve never heard from anybody who saw welfare as a positive economic opportunity. The “black welfare queen” is a myth, created by Republicans to get racists such as yourself to vote for them. Those people you’re so scared of taking all your money? They don’t exist. They never did.

Social welfare programs should be geared to get people into opportunities as quickly as possible, by providing education and removing other barriers to taking advantage of it. That was the original idea. However, it has migrated pretty much since its inception to a system that prevents people from getting off of it or from having any better opportunities. Consider: if you are on welfare and get a part time job, your gross income is deducted from your welfare check. After withholding, you actually lose money by working.

The fact of the matter is, it is Republicans who have repeatedly “tweaked” welfare so that it would be ineffective, so that they could rail against it. It’s similar to what they’ve tried to do to public education with the high-mandate/low-funding “no child left behind” program.

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Spooning_leads24kin Says:

In my house it’s feed yourself or starve,in other word help HELP yourself. Take an initiative.

How is the fact that you starve your children relevant to the present discussion?

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Spooning_leads24kin Says:

Having kids young limits even more the possibility of finding an outlet to a better life away from poverty no matter race.

Agreed. That’s pretty much what I was pointing out.

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Spooning_leads24kin Says:

At least illegal Mexicans WORK!

Also, agreed. I have a hard time with conservatives who complain about illegal immigrants, not only because of the inherent racism, but also since not a damn one of them have the stones to work as hard as most illegal immigrants do. I think we should give them all citizenship right now, and for each one of them we let in, kick out a lazy white person. Like a corporate CEO or something. Those guys’ jobs are easy.

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Spooning_leads24kin Says:

Most blacks I know feel they are OWED everything they get.

You don’t know any black people. I’m pretty sure they’re not allowed into your compound.

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Spooning_leads24kin Says:

Whites get the least benefits, regardless of economic standing so there shouldn’t be any complaints from the minority poor that the whites get all the breaks.

Actually, many of the most-white states use the most federal dollars for teh welfare. That’s a fizzact.

Are you suggesting that religious organizations have absolutely nothing to do with abstinence-only programs? Much less creationism in schools? That’s patently ridiculous. It’s like me indignantly demanding to know what liberal organizations are supposedly responsible for teh eval voter registration drives.

This is not about creationism at all. This is about TP trying to frame teen pregnancy as strictly the fault of religious organizations promotion of abstinence.

What religious organization is preventing basic biology from being taught in school?

Are you suggesting that religious organizations have absolutely nothing to do with abstinence-only programs? Much less creationism in schools? That’s patently ridiculous. It’s like me indignantly demanding to know what liberal organizations are supposedly responsible for teh eval voter registration drives.

I believe that white folks use meth more. Minority races have fewer economic opportunities due to discrimination and therefore they have less to lose by having kids young.

Or maybe another way to look at it is they have more to gain in the way of Welfare. More kids = more government breaks ($$)to them. Which also means more tax dollars from the rest of us. In my house it’s feed yourself or starve,in other word help HELP yourself. Take an initiative. Having kids young limits even more the possibility of finding an outlet to a better life away from poverty no matter race. At least illegal Mexicans WORK! Most blacks I know feel they are OWED everything they get. Whites get the least benefits, regardless of economic standing so there shouldn’t be any complaints from the minority poor that the whites get all the breaks.

This site seams to blame organizations for teaching abstinence on the teen pregnancy problem.

Abstinence-only programs refuse to teach scientifically accurate information about risk factors and available means to control them.

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Fireball Says:

What a horrible suggestion for people to encourage self discipline and control.

It’s fine to “encourage self discipline and control,” so long as you recognize that it’s still their choice. By only discussing one option, you effectively attempt to take that choice out of their hands. Inevitably, they will take it back at some point. If they don’t know how to manage the consequences when they do, they will suffer them. The results of that approach are posted at the top of this webpage.

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Fireball Says:

We should shut down any types of teaching on the subject other than what progressives think is the correct way to raise teenagers.

Good to see you’re coming around.

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csail Says:

ignorant tow headed children

See, now you’ve got them all thinking you’re all like anti-white. Now they’re going to go off defending the purity of their “race” and – hey, nice baiting there.

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Spooning_leads24kin Says:

Seems to me that most of the higher prego rates tend to be of minority races (black & hispanic). Aren’t these also the same groups with the highest meth addiction rates? It’s all about feeling good, I guess. Sad.

I believe that white folks use meth more. Minority races have fewer economic opportunities due to discrimination (for an example of a bigoted attitude, read your own post) and therefore they have less to lose by having kids young.

Self discipline and control are fine and kids should be taught that. But insisting that they can’t have any sex at all until they’re married, even if takes decades, is WAY too extreme.

We should shut down any types of teaching on the subject other than what progressives think is the correct way to raise teenagers.

Pretty hypocritical there. This issue is about the failure of what conservatives think is the correct way to raise teenagers. It’s about faith-based vs reality-based teaching.