ThinkFast: January 7, 2009
ThinkFast: January 7, 2009
A government spokesman said today that Israel “welcomes” a proposal from France and Egypt to end the fighting in Gaza that has gone on for 12 days. The precise details of the proposal are currently unknown. Earlier this morning, Israel “briefly suspended its fighting” and “agreed to do so for three hours each day to permit humanitarian relief goods to reach the beleaguered population.”
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) lashed out at Eric Holder, President-elect Obama’s nominee for Attorney General, yesterday, calling into question “the issue of [Holder's] character.” “Sometimes it is more important for the attorney general to have the stature and the courage to say no instead of to say yes,” Specter said, adding, “Further inquiry is warranted on the issue of Mr. Holder’s independence to follow the facts without respect to political bias.”
President-elect Barack Obama has asked CNN’s health care analyst Dr. Sanjay Gupta to be the next U.S. surgeon general. “Gupta would come to the post with an unparalleled public profile and background as a communicator.” But Paul Krugman expresses concern about Gupta’s allegations that filmmaker Michael Moore “fudged the facts” in his movie SiCKO. (Watch the Gupta/Moore segment.)
Speaking of Leon Panetta’s qualifications to head the CIA, former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke remarked: “He was in the small handful of people who knew there was a terrorism problem long before anybody else had heard of al-Qaeda.”
Today, President-elect Obama will join President Bush for a private meeting at the White House. They will then attend a luncheon with the three other living presidents — Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, and Jimmy Carter. It will be “the first time all the living presidents have gathered at the White House since 1981.”
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told reporters yesterday that the situation in Pakistan represents the biggest foreign policy challenge for the incoming Obama administration and despite the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict in Gaza, Iran will pose the biggest challenge for the United States in the Middle East.
Yesterday President-elect Obama warned of “trillion dollar deficits for years to come” unless policymakers “make a change in the way that Washington does business.” But Obama also said that the new economic stimulus bill should contain no pork-barrel spending. “What I’m saying is, we’re not having earmarks in the recovery package, period,” Obama said.
“President Bush made another round of last-minute appointments Tuesday, giving 45 aides, supporters and others a parting gift as he leaves office: presidential appointments to boards and councils, with terms lasting three to six years after he leaves office.” The appointments included Elliott Abrams, Michael Chertoff, and Michael Mukasey to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council.
The coal ash pond that ruptured last month, spilling a billion gallons of toxic sludge across Eastern Tennessee, “was only one of more than 1,300 similar dumps across the United States” that are mostly “unregulated and unmonitored.” Experts say that federal regulation “could have prevented the spill.”
And finally: Comedian Will Ferrell will be reprising his hugely popular portrayal of President Bush. Ferrell will be starring in “You’re Welcome America: A Final Night With George W. Bush” at New York’s Cort Theater from Feb. 5-March 15, and will air on HBO at a later date. The show “will take a chronological look at Bush’s life, and Ferrell said that viewers should “expect the unexpected” from the performance.
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Republicans in Congress Less Popular Than Bush
We've heard and seen many news reports about how unpopular Congress is with the American people. And it is at an all time low, but what most TV analysts are refusing to point out is that it's the Republicans in Congress that are dragging down the approval rating. As a new Gallup poll shows us--Republicans in Congress Less Popular Than Bush:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:05 amSung to Lee Greenwood’s “Proud to be an AMerican”
I’m embarrased to be an American
with bush at the helm
He’s always there to cause us greif
and take our rights from thee
And I would stand up
and hang his ass
to protect the “god damn document”
But, I’ll tell you now
January 7th, 2009 at 9:07 amI love this land
Go away you SOB….
I am concerned that the three quarter trillion economic band-aid doesn't really address a key problem underlying the economic downward spiral--the stead? decline in real wages.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:11 amYou've got to be kidding, right? Republicans gave us a Justice Department staffed with "Loyal Bushies" for 8 years, and now you want the department to be free from political bias?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:13 amDo you think maybe the fact that Israel blew up a UN school had anything to do with this?
I find it appalling that Israel can kill hundreds of Palastinian civilians and Hamas less than a dozen Israeli civilians and soldiers, and the US calls on Hamas to stop.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:17 amAnyone that is pathetic enough to hyperlink to little green goofballs can only be grouped with the likes of Hitler, Saddam, and Satan.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:18 amKind of like how Alberto Gonzales was able to say "no" to his ole buddy George.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:19 amJeb Bush will not run for Senate
America will never, ever elect another Bush to any office.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:21 amSen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) lashed out at Eric Holder, President-elect Obama’s nominee for Attorney General, yesterday, calling into question “the issue of [Holder’s] character.”
Senator Sphincter is a hypocrite. I'll put Holder up against Mukasey in a character comparison anytime. I recall Sen. Dayton, MN, questioning Condi's 'character' over lies about warantless wiretapping. She was furious at him, & claimed he had impugned her character. Of course, he was right. She's a liar, a stooge & was never appropriate to be Sec/State.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:22 amArlan, before you question others, take a look at your (R) peers...now there's some questionable characters.
I agree, but I would say "that he is all of a sudden concerned about political bias."
January 7th, 2009 at 9:23 amI mean, Rule of law should prevail over any political bias- left or right.
I mean, Rule of law should prevail over any political bias- left or right.
I agree completely. Obama's appointments appear to be a step in that direction.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:31 amSen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) lashed out at Eric Holder, President-elect Obama’s nominee for Attorney General, yesterday, calling into question “the issue of [Holder’s] character.” “Sometimes it is more important for the attorney general to have the stature and the courage to say no instead of to say yes,” Specter said, adding, “Further inquiry is warranted on the issue of Mr. Holder’s independence to follow the facts without respect to political bias.”
Yeah , because we all were privy to Alberto Gonzales' INDEPENDENCE and solid character ..........
January 7th, 2009 at 9:31 amPossible correction TP: It appears the Will Ferrel Show starts 1/20/08, not 2/05/08 (or Broadway.com are a bunch of fake ticket selling liars).
Im getting my tickets now. =D
January 7th, 2009 at 9:33 amzimzone,
"I recall Sen. Dayton, MN, questioning Condi’s ‘character’ over lies about warantless wiretapping. She was furious at him, & claimed he had impugned her character. Of course, he was right. She’s a liar, a stooge & was never appropriate to be Sec/State."
But, but, she had an Oil tanker named after her, of COURSE she was qualified.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:35 amhttp://glennz.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/tanker.jpg
A government spokesman said today that Israel “welcomes” a proposal from France and Egypt to end the fighting in Gaza that has gone on for 12 days. The precise details of the proposal are currently unknown. Earlier this morning, Israel “briefly suspended its fighting” and “agreed to do so for three hours each day to permit humanitarian relief goods to reach the beleaguered population.”
WOW ...........3 WHOLE HOURS
1/8th of an entire day ........How compassionate
January 7th, 2009 at 9:36 amPresident-elect Barack Obama has asked CNN’s health care analyst Dr. Sanjay Gupta to be the next U.S. surgeon general. “Gupta would come to the post with an unparalleled public profile and background as a communicator.”
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Hee hee I can't wait to see how The Daily Show plays this.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:37 amICEMAN Says
January 7th, 2009 at 9:14 am
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What IS it with you? Every morning you come into this thread and post a bunch of wingnut links as if they are supposed to make a point or mean something. You offer no defense of them, you add no original thought of your own, and you give us nothing that would spark any kind of intelligent discussion.
If you would like to participate here (and yes, we welcome those with conservative viewpoints who come here and play nicely), here's a tip. Choose ONE of your right-wing talking points (it doesn't have to be something related to any of the ThinkFast points -- this is generally considered to be an open thread), post the link, and offer your own thoughts on it without taunting or namecalling. Then people might play with you.
Your current trash-dumping method looks more as if you do this merely to take up space in the thread with troll-droppings. You seek to disrupt rather than contribute anything valuable. It is for this reason that I have flagged you and plan to do so every time I see one of your posts of this sort.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:38 amEarlier this morning, Israel “briefly suspended its fighting” and “agreed to do so for three hours each day to permit humanitarian relief goods to reach the beleaguered population.”
Does anybody else suspect that "Israel" is the sickest joke ever committed against Jews by goyim?
Like:
January 7th, 2009 at 9:39 am
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Started Previews
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Opening Night
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Yeah ignore me, i don't know diddles about broadway.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:39 amPffffft, we can't have the government intervening with corporations....they are on our side!
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 amSpector really is hypocrisy personified. Heaven forbid the US should get and AG who's too close to the president, should the president be a Democrat.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:40 amUmmm....it says 12/29 in your link. Get a brain Moran! Go USA.
Bad photoshop. TP and snopes and others busted it over a year ago. Why do you lie, liar?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:42 amSadly, reichh-wing hero Ruddddeeee is not photoshopped here.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:45 amHey Liceman
"Records show 3,645 people died in Britain as a result of “patient safety incidents”
I am sure records will show a hell of a lot more have died in this country due to the inavalibility of helthcare due to no insurance.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:45 ammisshuseinmolly - you can chide and nag ICEMAN until your lips turn blue and "it" won't understand your two and three syllable words. Hopeless, totally hopeless.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:49 amEarlier this morning, Israel “briefly suspended its fighting” and “agreed to do so for three hours each day to permit humanitarian relief goods to reach the beleaguered population.”
Apparently the negative publicity they are garnering is beginning to affect them. The President of Iran was correct when he said that the "government of Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth". As far as I am concerned they are more terrorists than Hamas.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:50 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
The President of Iran was correct when he said that the “government of Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth”.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am
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Except that he never said that. He said that the regime occupying Jerusalem will fall from the page of history.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:52 amNational Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told reporters yesterday....
And we care what he has to say why? I simply don't remember the Clinton Administration people telling the new Bush people how to do their job, do you? And why are they getting all this publicity? Oh, I forgot. Three conservative corporations own most of the media in this country and are thereby able to control the message. I'm hoping that reversing the media consolidation is high on Obama's "to do" list. If not, we may never again have a free and honest press in this country.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:55 amICEMAN has melted.
In the U.S., hospital-acquired infections claim the lives of some 100,000 people each year. (link)
Nearly $5 billion are added to U.S. health costs every year as a result of infections that patients get while they are hospitalized for other health problems (link)
According to the magazine, about two million U.S. residents -- or 5% of all U.S. hospital patients -- contract a hospital-acquired infection each year, and about 90,000 of these patients die. Since 1975, the infection rate has risen 36%, the magazine reports. (link)
January 7th, 2009 at 9:56 am“Sometimes it is more important for the attorney general to have the stature and the courage to say no instead of to say yes,” Specter said, adding, “Further inquiry is warranted on the issue of Mr. Holder’s independence to follow the facts without respect to political bias.”
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Since this seems to be the main criterion for AG qualification in Specter's eyes, I'm sure he was just as critical of Ashcroft, Gonzales, and Mukasey for exactly the same reason.
Surely there's some evidence of this out on the internets somewhere...lemme look...hmmm...wait...OK, this might take awhile.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:56 amhussein toasterhead Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
The President of Iran was correct when he said that the “government of Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth”.
Except that he never said that. He said that the regime occupying Jerusalem will fall from the page of history.
Ok, but it's the same sentiment. And it certainly is a far cry from the right's contention that he said that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:57 amTawdry Says
January 7th, 2009 at 9:49 am
misshuseinmolly - you can chide and nag ICEMAN until your lips turn blue and “it” won’t understand your two and three syllable words. Hopeless, totally hopeless.
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Sigh. Somehow, I don't think it would make any difference if I used short, simple words. But I will continue to flag this kind of cr*p. I don't flag often, and when I do, I always let the poster know why I do. Just in case there is a slim chance I'm wrong about the poster, and their intentions aren't to be disruptive.
I've always believed the best way to deal with bad manners is to exhibit good ones -- even if it might make me look "too nice".
January 7th, 2009 at 10:02 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
I am sure records will show a hell of a lot more have died in this country due to the inavalibility of helthcare due to no insurance.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:45 am
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AND we have far more deaths due to hospital errors in our for-profit health care system. According to the most recent Patient Safety in American Hospitals Study, there were 238,337 deaths resulting from hospital errors from 2004-2006. That's an average of just under 80,000 per year.
Even when you account for the difference in population between the US and UK (300 million vs. 60 million), our death rate is still substantially higher (approx. 15,800 deaths/year vs 3,645).
Facts!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:03 amAt one time Arlen Specter commanded respect. Now he is such a rightwing flunkie I have more respect for PHIL Spector.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:04 amIt appears they are- but of course they will be scrutinized by the likes of Spector, and worse. But we will not know until the 21st if that will be the case. I do have the up most confidence that they will perform in the manner in which they should.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:06 amit's the lord's will!
Teen birth rates up in 26 states
January 7th, 2009 at 10:07 amUSA Today - 1 hour ago
By Sharon Jayson, USA TODAY The latest data on teen birth rates shows significant increases in 26 states, according to government data out today, which suggests that the rise in teens having babies is geographically broad-based and represents most ...
Mississippi has highest teen birth rate, CDC says The Associated Press
Mississippi has highest teen birth rate, CDC says WXVT
WIS - WLBT-TV - Fort Worth Star Telegram - TheDay
all 165 news articles »
http://news.google.com/?ncl=1287663359&hl=en&topic=m
ICESPAM,
Since you are definitely NOT here to debate, as misshusseinmolly so aptly pointed out, I'll counter with this statistic for seniors (and expect you to completely ignore it):
3 years of hospital deaths for seniors
This only pertains to seniors, and not adults and children. So, it appears accidental hospital deaths are not just from "socialized medical care", but world wide medical care, including privatized.
(please note ICESPAM that I was actually able to do my own research on this post, and didn't have to rely on spoon fed information to gather my talking points. mucking foron!)
January 7th, 2009 at 10:08 amI think ICEMAN is really Vicki Iseman. Remember her, the telecom lobbyist rumored to have gotten a little "too close" to Grampy McCain? Iseman vehemently denied the story (most likely embarrassed from sleeping with a corpse allmost twice her age). The NYT still stands by their article but whatever happened to the story? Damned "librul media".
January 7th, 2009 at 10:09 amIn 2002, the Institute of Medicine released a groundbreaking report, Care without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late, which estimated that 18,000 adults nationwide died in 2000 because they did not have health insurance. Subsequently, The Urban Institute estimated that 22,000 adults died in 2006 because they did not have health insurance.
http://www.familiesusa.org/issues/uninsured/publications/dying-for-coverage.html
January 7th, 2009 at 10:09 ammisshusseinmolly Says: re; ICEMAN..."Your current trash-dumping method looks more as if you do this merely to take up space in the thread with troll-droppings..."
My neighbors dog does the same thing some mornings... all I have to do is turn the door handle and it bolts back across the street...
January 7th, 2009 at 10:11 amNice job McWars, toasterhead, and shoeless.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:12 amIt's always nice to counter an ill informed, right wing spoon fed antagonist with the best possible arsenal.
FACTS!
More proof that conservatism is a fraud. Looks like all those redstaters will be filling the void for strippers in this country.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:13 amICEMAN Says:
Records show 3,645 people died in Britain as a result of “patient safety incidents” - including botched operations and the outbreak of infections - 1,370 higher than two years earlier
I notice that you purposely removed this part from the quote:
Britian has had socialized medicine since the 1940's. A change in hospital errors between 2007 and 2008 isn't related to the establishment of socialized medicine.
Here's the thing - you know damn well that that citation proves nothing. But you tried to prove something with it anyways. If you have to redact information to support your position, then your position must be wrong. If just telling the truth isn't good enough to make a convincing case, then that should tell you something.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:17 amAnd get this -- we probably don't have all of the infection data on hand, and you have the wonders of states' rights to thank.
Only 25 states have laws requiring public reporting of infection data. 3 more require confidential reporting. (link)
January 7th, 2009 at 10:20 amhussein toasterhead Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
The President of Iran was correct when he said that the “government of Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth”.
Except that he never said that. He said that the regime occupying Jerusalem will fall from the page of history.
Notice that Bush, McCain, etc. always talk toughest about how they intend to completely destroy Iran when they're speaking to a captive and/or rabidly right wing audience? Then later they try to act all reasonable like they never said that? Ahmeninejad does the exact same thing. He's got a rabid, right-wing base that he goes off and gives speeches about destroying their enemies to, then turns around and pretends to be a real head of state. Exactly like Bush.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:21 amInterestingly enough, Mississippi also has one of the highest obesity rates. Apparently, it's fair to say people in the remaining red states are fat, stupid and knocked up out of wedlock.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:21 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Your current trash-dumping method looks more as if you do this merely to take up space in the thread with troll-droppings. You seek to disrupt rather than contribute anything valuable. It is for this reason that I have flagged you and plan to do so every time I see one of your posts of this sort.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:38 am
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I have to say - I do find posters like ICEMAN valuable... sometimes.
They provide us with insight into the current musings of the conservative science-denier hive-mind. And, as several of us have demonstrated in this thread, these talking points are usually quite easy to combat with a bit of research and some nice, solid facts.
Thanks to ICEMAN, I now know just how pervasive the problem of hospital mistakes are in this country. Tt's a far worse problem than I'd imagined, and one I may not otherwise have thought about.
So even though trolls like him certainly mean to disrupt, occasionally there are some positive externalities to their madness...
January 7th, 2009 at 10:23 amWhat does this have to do with socialized medicine?
January 7th, 2009 at 10:27 amElBruce Says:
Notice that Bush, McCain, etc. always talk toughest about how they intend to completely destroy Iran when they’re speaking to a captive and/or rabidly right wing audience? Then later they try to act all reasonable like they never said that? Ahmeninejad does the exact same thing. He’s got a rabid, right-wing base that he goes off and gives speeches about destroying their enemies to, then turns around and pretends to be a real head of state. Exactly like Bush.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:21 am
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Exactly. And it's worth noting that when Ahmedinajad made his oft-misquoted speech, Iran's economy was in the crapper. He wasn't making so many inflammatory anti-Israel speeches while oil was over $100/barrel.
It's all about domestic politics and playing to the base. Iran's probably the closest thing to an American-style democracy in the greater Middle East - their politicians act just like ours.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:27 amMorning, y'all.
Re Israel - I saw a whiny "save the Israelis" commercial last night on MSNBC during Countdown, sponsored by the "International Fellowship of Christians and Jews."
This stupid piece of whining blatant bullcrap pissed me off soooooooo much that I went to their website (www.ifcj.org) and gave them a large, flaming piece of my mind. I urge you to do the same if you're so minded.
Also, Codepink is organizing a silent candlelight vigil in front of the Israeli consulate here in Los Angeles tonight (6-8pm, I think); there may be others scheduled in your city. If you're interested, you might want to consult The Google.
As for our fabulous for-profit healthcare, perhaps Iceblob would care to comment on the multiple patients who died from being completely ignored while actually sitting in emergency rooms all over this country...
January 7th, 2009 at 10:30 amI don't understand Iceman. He is so concerned with Brits dying of infection in hospitals, yet he seems to care nothing for Americans who die because they cannot go to the hospital.
Iceman, why do you hate uninsured Americans?
January 7th, 2009 at 10:31 amIt's a good thing spectors face looks like a grapefruit left out in the sun to a week so we can't read him. He could never say this with a straight face.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:34 amIsrael “welcomes” a proposal from France and Egypt to end the fighting in Gaza...
Remember when it was the U.S. brokering cease-fires and peace deals? I used to be proud of that.
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shoeless Says:
Iceman, why do you hate uninsured Americans?
Iceman hates all Americans. He's anti-American. UnAmerican, you might say. He certainly doesn't come from Real America. He must be one of those Jihadi stooges from Fake America.
Hey, that's kind of fun!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:35 am"I saw a whiny “save the Israelis” commercial last night on MSNBC during Countdown, sponsored by the “International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.”
Right, like they don't receive enough of my tax money via foreign aid to illegally settled occupied territories. Now they have to resort to begging? that's rich.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:51 amI'm trying to think of a way to make Republicans, like Iceman, care about the 47 million Americans who currently don't have health insurance.
We pass a law making it illegal for the wealthiest 47 million Americans to have health insurance. Suddenly, Republicans would be wailing and knashing their teeth about the unfairness of such a system, and they may be persuaded to work toward a solution for all Americans.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:01 amThe SoB Specter has brass balls -- that he would criticize Holder after the debacle he ushered in to the Justice Department, allowing liars and criminals to escape, and corrupt the entire system, is unconscionable.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:03 amSpecter should be hanged by those brass balls.
You know, this Gaza thing right now - I just keep picturing a huge musclebound karate master just beating the bloody crap out of some dumb punk while at the same time shouting "Help, help, he's attacking me! Somebody help me!"
January 7th, 2009 at 11:11 amWhoa!
January 7th, 2009 at 11:30 amLooks like ICESPAM done got melted!
Sweet.
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) lashed out at Eric Holder, President-elect Obama’s nominee for Attorney General, yesterday, calling into question “the issue of [Holder’s] character.” “Sometimes it is more important for the attorney general to have the stature and the courage to say no instead of to say yes,” Specter said, adding, “Further inquiry is warranted on the issue of Mr. Holder’s independence to follow the facts without respect to political bias.”
January 7th, 2009 at 11:55 amMy question is, did Mr.Spector question Gonzales`character when appointed A.G.,or it wasn`t important at the time????? Typical Reich Wing hypocrisy......
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ElBruce Says:
You know, this Gaza thing right now - I just keep picturing a huge musclebound karate master just beating the bloody crap out of some dumb punk while at the same time shouting “Help, help, he’s attacking me! Somebody help me!”
January 7th, 2009 at 11:11 am
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Imagine that before the beating started, the cowardly punk had for months been lobbing molotov cocktails at the musclebound guy's house (from the roof of a school)but had only managed to hit his car and his shed, and the guy is shouting "I'm going to make sure this punk can no longer endanger my family and my house since no one else is going to protect them," and you have a pretty good picture. ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 12:09 pmWell why didn't the musclebound guy go over and talk to the cowardly punk and find out why the cowardly punk was lobbing the molotov cocktails? Seems maybe they could get to know each other a little bit better that way...
January 7th, 2009 at 12:36 pmHere's an article that answers your question.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:39 pmHey uprighty, here's what you are part of....are ya proud?
http://www.juancole.com/2009/01/al-fakhoura-school-bombed-42-killed.html
January 7th, 2009 at 12:40 pmImagine that before the beating started, the cowardly punk had for months been lobbing molotov cocktails at the musclebound guy’s house (from the roof of a school)but had only managed to hit his car and his shed, and the guy is shouting “I’m going to make sure this punk can no longer endanger my family and my house since no one else is going to protect them,” and you have a pretty good picture. ;)
Now imagine that before the "cowardly punk" began throwing the cocktails, the musclebound guy built a wall around the "punk's" house, and prevented food and medical supplies from entering, as well as anyone from the "punk's" house from leaving to go to work. Now you'll get a better picture.
Israel's steps are not designed to enhance Israel's security; they are designed to perpetuate a state of war.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm______
dbadass Says:
Well why didn’t the musclebound guy go over and talk to the cowardly punk and find out why the cowardly punk was lobbing the molotov cocktails? Seems maybe they could get to know each other a little bit better that way…
January 7th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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That would have been the ideal response along with finding out why the punk chose the molotov cocktails instead of tryng to talk to the guy about their problems.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pmupright left and a whole bunch of people like to ignore the fact that Israel has them blocked in and denying them basic amenities like food, water and electricity.
I was taught a long time ago that two wrongs don't make a right. I thought everyone with some sense had this knowledge. Humans are obviously stupid on a grand scale.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm_______
Briseadh na Faire Says:
upright left Says:
Imagine that before the beating started, the cowardly punk had for months been lobbing molotov cocktails at the musclebound guy’s house (from the roof of a school)but had only managed to hit his car and his shed, and the guy is shouting “I’m going to make sure this punk can no longer endanger my family and my house since no one else is going to protect them,” and you have a pretty good picture. ;)
Now imagine that before the “cowardly punk” began throwing the cocktails, the musclebound guy built a wall around the “punk’s” house, and prevented food and medical supplies from entering, as well as anyone from the “punk’s” house from leaving to go to work. Now you’ll get a better picture.
Israel’s steps are not designed to enhance Israel’s security; they are designed to perpetuate a state of war.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
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Now imagine that before... well you get the idea. I disagree that Israel wants a perpetual state of war, but the point was that Hamas isn't an innocent victim anymore than Israel is.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pmLet's not forget that the musclebound guy's house used to belong to the "punk" until he was forcibly removed.
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Fred Says:
Hey uprighty, here’s what you are part of….are ya proud?
“In 1996, Israeli jets bombed a UN building where civilians had taken refuge at Cana/ Qana in south Lebanon, killing 102 persons; in the place where Jesus is said to have made water into wine, Israeli bombs wrought a different sort of transformation.
In the distant, picturesque port of Hamburg, a young graduate student studying traditional architecture of Aleppo saw footage like this on the news [graphic]. He was consumed with anguish and the desire for revenge. As soon as operation Grapes of Wrath had begun the week before, he had written out a martyrdom will, indicating his willingness to die avenging the victims, killed in that operation–with airplanes and bombs that were a free gift from the United States.
His name was Muhammad Atta. Five years later he piloted American Airlines 11 into the World Trade Center.”
http://www.juancole.com/ 2009/ 01/ al-fakhoura-school-bombed-42-killed.html
January 7th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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Yeah Fred, that's rather like the abortion senario that ends "You've just killed Beethoven," or the Legend of the Candy Cane. Do you have any more proof the Atta story is true? Even if it was true, it would hardly change the situation. I'm all for peace. Israel and Hamas are both at fault in the failure to resolve the situation. That hardly means a nation has to allow itself to be a perpetual target.
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livelongandprosper Says:
upright left and a whole bunch of people like to ignore the fact that Israel has them blocked in and denying them basic amenities like food, water and electricity.
I was taught a long time ago that two wrongs don’t make a right. I thought everyone with some sense had this knowledge. Humans are obviously stupid on a grand scale.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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Two wrongs most certainly don't make a right. Similarly, it doesn't help the situation to act as though Hamas is a peace-loving blameless group of guys playfully tossing pebbles at Israeli soldiers in tanks.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pmDownrightTarded - you should have a look at that musclebound person closer. You'll see he's just a pussy with a gun that was driven out of his ghetto so he ran over and kidnapped a family and their house and ran them back into the utility shed where he keeps them under gunpoint. Then when people tried to save the family, his uncle the sheriff sent him over bigger guns so he could be an even bigger pussy. You know what a pussy looks like right - you do look in the mirror on occasion - right? ROTFL! ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pmI'm sorry, I disagree. Israel is in control. Israel decides whether there will be peace and they choose war. It is all on Israel.
When Hammas controls Israels drinking water, medical supplies, life sustaining jobs, etc. then Hammas will have a share of the blame. Until then, you are wrong.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pmupright left Says:
Two wrongs most certainly don’t make a right. Similarly, it doesn’t help the situation to act as though Hamas is a peace-loving blameless group of guys playfully tossing pebbles at Israeli soldiers in tanks.
Republicans keep making stupid statements like this to have something to rail against... No one but GOP-TARDS EVER says hamas is blamelass - so bringing that red herring up automatically forfeits your side of the discussion ;)
What people have said is that ISRAEL is AS RESPONSIBLE or MORE RESPONSIBLE than Palestinians are - after all it was ISRAEL that BEGAN THIS by RUNNING OFF THEIR FELLOW JEWS (yes PALESTINIANS ARE JEWS THAT PRACTICE ISLAM and XTianity) off their land and into CONCENTRATION CAMPS!!! ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pmReally....Really? Put it in perspective for us righty. How much more than that do they really have, really.
Now compare that to Israel's army.....
You look foolish when you say things like this.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pmupright left Says:
Now imagine that before… well you get the idea. I disagree that Israel wants a perpetual state of war, but the point was that Hamas isn’t an innocent victim anymore than Israel is.
Well you're both right in some fashion. It's not so much that Israel wants war as much as it wants the situation that guarantees war - which is an expansion of territories that eventually push the Palestinians into neighboring countries. So no while war isn't the SPECIFIC target they may be seeking, it is the product of their policies and one they are more than willing to live with to keep the zionist fantasy alive! They're pussies with guns - probably a lot like you when you go hunting with your (cough) buddies ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pmDownrightTarded is classic partisan brain - he's no different from the radicals that bomb schools from airplanes or blow themselves up. He's just willing to let someone else do it for him like most conservative pussies ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 1:51 pmuprighty, I haven't heard of Hammas taking out one single Israeli tank......
Your statements are absurd and your agenda is obvious to all.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pmupright left Says:
Imagine that before the beating started, the cowardly punk had for months been lobbing molotov cocktails...
OK, the whole point of my analogy was the imbalance of force involved, and you just completely screwed that up by introducing weapons. A more appropriate relative image would be the punk repeatedly flicking the karate master in the back of the head.
Israel is in no position to complain about civilian casualties at present.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pmupright left Says:
Yeah Fred, that’s rather like the abortion senario that ends “You’ve just killed Beethoven,” or the Legend of the Candy Cane. Do you have any more proof the Atta story is true? Even if it was true, it would hardly change the situation. I’m all for peace. Israel and Hamas are both at fault in the failure to resolve the situation. That hardly means a nation has to allow itself to be a perpetual target.
They're a perpetual target because their entire foundation is based on the stealing of land and exploitation of other peoples. They didn't move to Israel as refugees, they came as conquerors and they took what they wanted, and this is why they are completely at fault and hold most of the responsibility for this. The western world allowed to happen out of guilt for the holocaust - but as the arab world points out it was white christian europeans that genocided the jews and not the muslims. Therefore why were muslims punished by taking muslim lands as reparation? Why wasn't east germany given to the jews? They have a point...
Then there's the sticky situation that Palestinians are genetically more JEWISH than Jews are thanks to the european mixing... Ironic... Or as you would say - ;)
You're welcome for me taking the time to explain some of this to you, I know you're a slow luhrner but I do what I can! ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm______
Fred Says:
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upright left Says:
Two wrongs most certainly don’t make a right. Similarly, it doesn’t help the situation to act as though Hamas is a peace-loving blameless group of guys playfully tossing pebbles at Israeli soldiers in tanks.
Really….Really? Put it in perspective for us righty. How much more than that do they really have, really.
Now compare that to Israel’s army…..
You look foolish when you say things like this.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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Well, I could have used the an*logy used by someone on your side. Substitute "lobbing fire crackers into the Israeli wilderness" for the pebble comment. Better? Or is it just that you excuse any attack as long as it is carried out by a smaller group on a larger group? Larger and stronger groups have to endure attacks until the smaller group kills as many as the larger group? Is it really war and killing that you oppose or just killing by a larger group no matter the provocation?
January 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm______
ElBruce Says:
OK, the whole point of my analogy was the imbalance of force involved, and you just completely screwed that up by introducing weapons. A more appropriate relative image would be the punk repeatedly flicking the karate master in the back of the head.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
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Except, of course, the attacks by Hamas would be quite a bit more destructive than a flick in the back of the head if they managed to place them better. How long would you be willing to wait while folks lobbed rockets in your direction? Would it be ok as long as they didn't hit your house or your kid's school? Could our govt ignore it until someone you car about was actually killed?
January 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pmupright left Says:
I knew you couldn't answer the question.
keep postin uprighty, you just make the case against you for everyone.
Pretend you wouldn't lash out if you were being starved and deprived of medical attention, jobs, etc.......
The bottom line is that Israel started this and they intend to finish it. This violence belongs to Israel.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pmUprighty, until you answer specific questions and stop answering with what if's that aren't real, I'm done wastin my time wit ya.
If you were anything but a troll you would take the other side of the argument for a time so you could try to understand the situation.......sadly, you don't care.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Well you’re both right in some fashion. It’s not so much that Israel wants war as much as it wants the situation that guarantees war - which is an expansion of territories that eventually push the Palestinians into neighboring countries. So no while war isn’t the SPECIFIC target they may be seeking, it is the product of their policies and one they are more than willing to live with to keep the zionist fantasy alive! They’re pussies with guns - probably a lot like you when you go hunting with your (cough) buddies ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
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The perpetual state of war also doesn't hurt Israel's $4 billion homeland security industry.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pmbut the point was that Hamas isn’t an innocent victim anymore than Israel is.
Care to catch up on your history of the region?
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January 7th, 2009 at 2:38 pm_____
Fred Says:
upright left Says:
I knew you couldn’t answer the question.
keep postin uprighty, you just make the case against you for everyone.
Pretend you wouldn’t lash out if you were being starved and deprived of medical attention, jobs, etc…….
The bottom line is that Israel started this and they intend to finish it. This violence belongs to Israel.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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Fred, I saw two questions from you. "Are you proud" in the little Atta tale and "What more do they have" after the pebble an*logy. I find no pride in war no matter the cause or participants. That's a perverted thought process you have there. As for Hamas weapons, they have a variety of guns and rockets according to news reports. I have neither the time nor the desire to research the specifics for you. But it's obvious that their weapons have the potential to kill quite a few people when they hit their target. Do they deserve a pass on those since they fail to hit their targets?
Your comments frequently take on that petulant tone when your arguments don't go as planned. ;)
January 7th, 2009 at 2:41 pmupright left Says:
Except, of course, the attacks by Hamas would be quite a bit more destructive than a flick in the back of the head if they managed to place them better. How long would you be willing to wait while folks lobbed rockets in your direction? Would it be ok as long as they didn’t hit your house or your kid’s school? Could our govt ignore it until someone you car about was actually killed?
January 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
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I wouldn't be willing to wait at all. I'd be pressuring my government from day one to engage with these neighbors in legitimate and productive peace talks that will end the attacks for good.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pmupright left:
January 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pmWould you use the same "but Hamas is neither an innocent victim either" argument realtive to the US and the 9/11 attacks? Just wondering?