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Obama breaks from Bush: ‘I often read bad press.’

Yesterday in his CNBC interview, President-elect Obama said that he doesn’t plan on living in a “bubble” during his time in office and will be “open to outside information, particularly criticism.” “I very rarely read good press,” he added. “I often read bad press, not because I agree with it, but because I want to get a sense of are there areas where I’m falling short and I can do better.” Watch it:

This opinion is a drastic departure from President Bush, who never reads newspapers. In 2003, Bush told Fox News, “I glance at the headlines just to kind of (get) a flavor of what’s moving. I rarely read the stories.”




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193 Responses to “Obama breaks from Bush: ‘I often read bad press.’”

  1. Cats r Flyfishn Says:

    Wow, a realist will be moving into the White House. How refreshing it will be to have a President that is interested in facts and not fiction.


  2. cd Says:

    Did anyone else see the SNL where "Bush" explained to "Palin" that he had declared the Oval Office a "Bummer free zone"?

    I will be so glad when those days are over.


  3. Jackie Says:

    That should clear up any questions on why we're in this mess all because voters allowed Bush to become President when he doesn't even read. David Letterman shows all of Bush's speeche that they would make a First Grade Teacher yell. This is gong to be a big change for not only the US but the World. We finially have an educated smart President who really does reprent the American People and shows just how smart we really are. Now Republican supporters like Pelosi, Reid, Shumer and Feinstein will have problems with this as they are use to the old school politics of backroom secret deals for profit. What out World Obama/Biden will come out running oh Biden will be the one walking with me it's harder to run these days as fast as the youngens.


  4. Fred Says:

    This opinion is a drastic departure from President Bush

    Everything about Obama is a drastic departure form bush. The repubs are scrambling trying to salvage some vestige of the integrity they flushed.......ha. Good luck sucka's


  5. had enough Says:

    Not at all surprised as Obama is one that will truly work for the people as is intended to be by the constitution.


  6. Curlew Says:

    I seem to remember a campaign slogan that went "Change We Can Believe In." Looks like Barack is following through on that campaign promise in a big way.

    It will be so refreshing to have complete sentences return to Presidential speeches.


  7. Abu Ben Hussein Leporello Says:

    I'm heartened by the concept of having a Chief Executive who is
    1) A Statesman
    2) Not Reality-Impaired.
    If Only They'd Have Impeached.


  8. hussein toasterhead Says:

    Obama breaks from Bush: ‘I often read bad press.’»
    _________

    Did you even need to use the words "bad" and "press" in the headline? Just having a functionally-literate president is going to be a gigantic break from the current administration.


  9. raynman Says:

    I think Dubya was the only President that had autographed Presidential Crayons instead of Pens in his desk.


  10. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Fred Says:

    The repubs are scrambling trying to salvage some vestige of the integrity they flushed…….ha. Good luck sucka’s

    They are going to spend the next 8 years invoking the name of Ronny Raygun.


  11. Uncle Ho Says:

    How refreshing. To have a prez who actually lives outside a bubble. 8 years overdue.


  12. Uncle Ho Says:

    W's epitath;

    "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil, READ NO EVIL"


  13. tanglewood Says:

    How refreshing to have someone who has both feet on the ground. #1--before I jumped to the comment section the first word that came to mind was "a realistic man."

    I hope he will do this for his entire term.


  14. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Nice hissy fit, ectoendomezo. I have a secret for you, Mr. Obama is currently an unemployed citizen.


  15. ElBruce Says:

    Yeah, this is going to work. Other than, you know, not being stupid, if Obama is going to check out and address criticism, that's going to make it real tough for wingnuts to keep hating him. He'll give them just enough lollipops and tokens (i.e. the Rick Warren invocation) to keep them mellow.

    In short, he's actually going to work on reducing partisanship.

    While that might be less fun for us - face it, what would we be doing without freepers and lunatics to kick around, take up knitting? - it's going to rock the hell out of the votes in 2010, 2012 and beyond. Not that it's going to change their mind and make them vote Dem, but without the ability to work up a good frothy hatred, they don't turn out to vote so much.


  16. ElBruce Says:

    ectoendomezo Says:

    I voted for Obama..I campaigned for him in my state and nearby states…and i believe in him..HOWEVER...

    Just because he didn't tell you what you wanted to hear doesn't mean he ignored you. I'm have no doubt that he's aware of the level to which the Left is upset about his position on telecom immunity.


  17. Proud Says:

    Since I'm sure he will not be watching FOX News, there will be no bad press coverage, as proven by the campaign, so his statement is meaningless. Can any of you really in all honesty believe you will ever hear anything negative about Obama in the New York Times (Or any newspaper). What about MSNBC they fawn over Obama like a schoolgirl. It is all a big joke. Guess everybody will respond with whiner, troll repug etc but the truth is the truth.


  18. The Dogfather Says:

    "Ectoendomezo"? As in all of the body types rolled into one? Sounds like you've got way too much going on in that alleged brain of yours, pal...

    Or as Bill Murray said to Sigourney Weaver in Ghostbusters -- "No thanks; it looks like there's too many of you in there already..."


  19. ElBruce Says:

    Proud Says:

    Since I’m sure he will not be watching FOX News, there will be no bad press coverage, as proven by the campaign, so his statement is meaningless.

    Why are you sure he wouldn't watch FAUX News? After all, you visit TP regularly.

    Also: you're a whiner, troll repug etc.


  20. Fred Says:

    Proud Says:
    It was all a big joke.


  21. citizen_pain Says:

    I have to admit that I am a little apprehensive about Obama's commitment to bipartisanship. Sure, in the spirit of healing the nation, we certainly don't want to shut decent republicans (is there such a thing?) out of policy debates and votes, much in the smae way they did the Democrats from 2000-2006, where they held closed door votes in the middle of the night, etc. etc.

    HOWEVER, I have a hunch the republicans will do everything and anything they can to kill, stall, or water down the stimulus package to the extent where it will not provide the relief necessary and will be seen as ineffective by the people. The republicans can then say hey, big government just doesn't work, or the democrats simply can't be trusted.

    In a reality based world, most people would see through these shenanigans, but hey, this is the good 'ole US of A, where ignorance and stupidity rule.


  22. Nevar Says:

    Proud Says:

    "Since I’m sure he will not be watching FOX News, there will be no bad press coverage,"

    We do agree with you on this, FOX is bad news.


  23. A Patriot Acting Says:

    Proud (of it's ignorance)

    You tipped your hand by alluding that FOX is an actual legitimate news outlet.


  24. hussein toasterhead Says:

    Proud Says:

    Can any of you really in all honesty believe you will ever hear anything negative about Obama in the New York Times (Or any newspaper).
    January 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Yes. I honestly believe we will hear negative things about Obama from the "liberal media." In fact, here's New York Times columnist Paul Krugman criticizing Obama's economic stimulus plan just this Monday:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/opinion/05krugman.html


  25. freeman Says:

    Change through the appointment of moderates ?
    Hillary clinton is wrong on foreign affairs but perfect for sec of state ?
    Support of Israel's bombing of lebanon and now in the gaza strip ?
    More money for corporate socialism ?
    Leaving the system of military tribunals in place ? Appointing a torture advocate to head up domestic security ?
    ?
    Rock stars are so yesterday !


  26. Cats r Flyfishn Says:

    ectoendomezo Says:

    I voted for Obama..I campaigned for him in my state and nearby states…and i believe in him..HOWEVER…that said…I must add..that the statements he makes regarding being open to criticism and in particualr LISTENING to said criticism and CHANGING his position as a result of that criticism..possibly..based on what the complaints of the Citizens contain..or regard…is..well..kind of…KIND OF….bullshit!.. yada yada yada.... etc....

    This same story was submitted to my blog awhile back and got caught as SPAM. I've also seen this comment on other small blogs. It's just a PUMA talking point and has absolutely no value to it.


  27. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Proud Says:
    Since I’m sure he will not be watching FOX News,

    Faux is not part of the press. They are a propaganda arm of the reich-wing GOPig.


  28. freeman Says:

    Holy joe !


  29. MapleStreet Says:

    For clarification:

    Is Obama's break with Bush that he
    a) pays attention to comments which differ from his position and/or are negative about him.

    -or-
    b) that he reads.


  30. Max-1 Says:

    .

    Foxpravda must be P.O.'d...

    .


  31. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Proud Says:
    What about MSNBC they fawn over Obama like a schoolgirl.

    How would you know MSNBC "fawns" over Obama since you spend every waking moment listening to Drugbaugh or watching Faux? Oops...you blew it.


  32. Saddler Says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
    Nice hissy fit, ectoendomezo. I have a secret for you, Mr. Obama is currently an unemployed citizen.

    Long time TP reader. I have a problem with some of your posts. I, too, was outraged at Obama for his vote, and you attack others too freely when they express that outrage. Didn't you once note you were neither to the left nor liberal? And just what is wrong with the far-left? I'm as far to the left as one could go.


  33. Cats r Flyfishn Says:

    After watching Obama's economic recovery speech this morning, it was evident that he speaks like a leader. Another thing that I notice about Obama is that he often uses the words: we, good for America, us instead of the "I and me" statements of Bush and Cheney.


  34. Fred Says:

    freeman Says:
    Rock stars are so yesterday !

    You must mean crack heads like the gop, right?


  35. Fireball Says:

    I’m glad to see that uhhhhhbama reads Toilet Paper.


  36. freeman Says:

    I have every hope that health care , green economy policies and education will improve under an Obama administration . In these arena's I believe Obama will part company with Bush !

    Our approach to the M.E. ,terrorism, general corporate control of our democracy and handsome profits for the death industry I believe highly unlikely but hope to be surprised .
    Our support of Israeli policies which make both the US and the state of Israel less secure and inflame the righteous indignation of the Arab world will continue at an incredible loss to our safety , international reputation , and
    lastly the tax dollars of the American public .


  37. Fred Says:

    aww aint it cute. A little praise for Obama is more than the trolls can stomach.


  38. Fred Says:

    freeman, I will take any change from bush I can get. If I can't get it all at once I will settle for what I can get right now and be satisfied that at least for a change I will have some input on the other matters for the future.....I have not under the gop.


  39. SP Biloxi Says:

    "Obama breaks from Bush: ‘I often read bad press."

    Very refreshing to hear. Good leaders take and welcome criticism. That is what makes leaders great. They take praise but they take criticism. On the other hand, Bush was never a leader because he never earned it. Leadership is earned. Anybody can have a title. In the case the Bush, his title as President for 8 years came with a price tag. I look forward to a new refreshing leadership under Obama.


  40. Democrat Soldier Says:

    #37 - Fireball Says:
    ------------------------------------------------------
    "I’m glad to see that uhhhhhbama reads Toilet Paper."

    January 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Too bad that MuuhhhhhhKaine (that's Sen. McCain for those who are comedy challenged) didn't read the writing on the wall that he was going down in flames in November.

    I'm wondering, what ever happened to Jonny-boy's claim that he knew how to "get Usama bin-Laden"? Seems he's forgotten this particular gem now that he's no longer in the running for President. Does that mean MuuhhhhhhKaine SUPPORTS terrorism by NOT helping the US get him?!?!?


  41. Saddler Says:

    Fred Says:
    aww aint it cute. A little praise for Obama is more than the trolls can stomach.

    As long as Obama isn't reading any crap from Redstate I have plenty of praise for him.


  42. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    Long time TP reader. I have a problem with some of your posts.

    You seem concerned.....


  43. freeman Says:

    Of course fred You are not lebanese or palestinian or living in a 3rd world country in south or central America.International af


  44. Saddler Says:

    Fred Says:

    You seem concerned…..

    The sky is blue.


  45. freeman Says:

    oops... international affairs and the suffering of millions affected by american policies abroad are also important and if we were in the shoes of these others we would be hoping for more than moderate change in these areas !


  46. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Fireball Says:
    I’m glad to see that uhhhhhbama reads Toilet Paper.

    Which troll yesterday was using this exact same ranting? Icey? JK? Spacecadet?


  47. Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    Anyone who thinks that ectoendomezo voted for Obama or even worked for him, please raise your hand.


  48. Fred Says:

    freeman Says:
    Of course fred You are not lebanese or palestinian or living in a 3rd world country in south or central America.International af.......

    If you followed my posts you wouldn't say that. Living in reality is not the same as stomping your feet and jumping up and down and demanding that everyone does what you want, right now.


  49. Saddler Says:

    Fred Says:

    If you followed my posts you wouldn’t say that. Living in reality is not the same as stomping your feet and jumping up and down and demanding that everyone does what you want, right now.

    I voted for a democrat. Therefore I voted for a democratic agenda. I didn't vote for mixed views, I voted for democratic views. If Obama doesn't appeal to the northeastern liberal in me, he will not receive a second term.


  50. Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    Proud Says:
    Can any of you really in all honesty believe you will ever hear anything negative about Obama in the New York Times (Or any newspaper).

    There aren't enough hours in a day to list all the negative articles the MSM has written about Obama. Saying that the MSM is in the tank for Obama is RNC's talking point #10. If that was the case, why did we hear about Rev. Wright 24x7 for months on end. Or, how about Obama's "bitter" comment.

    Our MSM is owned by 3-4 major corporations all owned and run by Conservatives. That's something you need to remember the next time you try to peddle the myth that the MSM is in the tank for Obama.


  51. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Saddler Says:
    I have a problem with some of your posts.

    Good.

    I, too, was outraged at Obama for his vote, and you attack others too freely when they express that outrage.

    Of course you were outraged. It didn't effect your life at all, so, like the far left and reich-wing, you had to whine.

    And just what is wrong with the far-left?

    Yes, princess, there is a problem with the far-left (i.e. liberals), just like there is a problem with far reich-wing. You are one in the same. You put perverse ideologies, rants, and opinions above reality and facts. You'd sell out your country for the sake of your perverse views. You're afraid of change, you're of afraid of thinking of outside, and you're afraid of things you don't understand. Liberals and reich-wingers are one in the same.


  52. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Saddler Says:


    Fred Says:
    You seem concerned….
    .

    The sky is blue.

    And far-left liberals/reich-wingers are whiners.


  53. freeman Says:

    So your allright with the democrats crafting the latest in support of Israeli aggression and the deaths of several hundred palestinian's , most of whom it turns out are women and children ?
    I doubt you are ,but it's easy from the comfort of our living rooms to talk about moderate change in our approach to militarism , we ae not collecting the body parts of our family members or wondering how to survive as refugees without employment or shelter .


  54. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    If Obama doesn’t appeal to the northeastern liberal in me, he will not receive my vote.

    There, I fixed that for ya. And by the way, I agree with you. You have every right to vote the way you want.


  55. Fred Says:

    freeman Says:
    So your allright with the democrats crafting the latest in support of Israeli aggression and the deaths of several hundred palestinian’s , most of whom it turns out are women and children ?

    How do you pin this on Obama? He's not even taken office yet.....

    You and several like you just want Obama to fail and are doing all you can to enhance that notion, before he even takes office.


  56. LibertyLover Says:

    "... I rarely read the stories.”

    That's because he's so busy reading all of those books so he can beat Karl Rove in a reading contest. :)

    Yeah, right.


  57. Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    Saddler Says:
    I voted for a democrat. Therefore I voted for a democratic agenda. I didn’t vote for mixed views, I voted for democratic views. If Obama doesn’t appeal to the northeastern liberal in me, he will not receive a second term.

    And you have the power to influence elections, do you? You can feel free to vote against Obama if he doesn't meet your vision of what a "liberal" should be, but that DOES NOT mean he won't have a second term. You probably should not have voted for Obama in the first place since he told you before the election that he would be a President to all of the United States, nut just the liberal part of the country.

    Personally, I think people like you are lying when you say you ever voted for Obama. He has made zero policy decisions, but you are already condemning his presidency. I guess you are having a hard time dealing with the fact that the world does not revolve around YOU and your needs.


  58. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Saddler Says:
    I voted for a democrat. Therefore I voted for a democratic agenda. I didn’t vote for mixed views, I voted for democratic views. If Obama doesn’t appeal to the northeastern liberal in
    me,

    Since when do Democratic views and agenda equate to "northeastern liberal"? A Democratic agenda by nature is broad, reaches across spectrum, and more likely than not quite centrist. You should educate yourself before you vote.


  59. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
    Personally, I think people like you are lying when you say you ever voted for Obama.

    I concur 100%. Saddler/princess is a reich-wing troll. Enough said.


  60. Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    freeman Says:
    So your allright with the democrats crafting the latest in support of Israeli aggression and the deaths of several hundred palestinian’s , most of whom it turns out are women and children ?

    I'm not OK with it, but since Obama has not done this, I'll reserve judgment. That's something you should be doing too.

    Pssst.. To all the armchair quarterbacks here who are predicting what Obama will do once he is in office, that crystal ball you bought at Walmart is defective.


  61. Keltoi Says:

    Toasterhead at 26, I read your article - how do you construe it of being critical of Obama? This is the harshest thing Krugman has to say:

    All of this leaves me concerned about the prospects for the Obama plan. I’m sure that Congress will pass a stimulus plan, but I worry that the plan may be delayed and/or downsized. And Mr. Obama is right: We really do need swift, bold action.

    He is criticizing cruel fate that might get in the way of Obamas plans, not Obama himself. If that is what passes for criticism of O. by the NYT, then there is little bad press in his future indeed.


  62. Saddler Says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins
    Dr.Hussein Matt

    Blue dogs are a wart on the ass of America.


  63. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Keltoi Says:
    Ff that is what passes for criticism of O. by the NYT, then there is little bad press in his future indeed.

    Considering Obama is currently an unemployed citizen, criticizing his policies, which do not currently exist, is left to reich-wing trolls (like yourself), am hate radio, faux, and shillary supporters.


  64. Fred Says:

    Keltoi Says:

    hey toy, show us where the same media was ever critical of bush......we can go from there.


  65. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Saddler, far-left whining liberals/reich-wing GOPigs are the warts on the arse of America.


  66. Saddler Says:

    Pssst.. To all the armchair quarterbacks here who are predicting what Obama will do once he is in office, that crystal ball you bought at Walmart is defective.

    I don't shop at Wal-mart you bipartisan hack. The backbone of liberalism by the way is the northeastern style.

    And whether you believe I voted for Obama isn't worth shit around here. You are known for your willingness to turn on a dime and eat your own.


  67. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    It's no coincidence that far-left liberals and reich-wing GOPigs are both whining and having a hissy fit about Obama even before he has taken office.


  68. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    Long time TP reader.

    Says he's been around and knows who we are. Then this:

    Saddler Says:
    Bilbo Hussein Baggins
    Dr.Hussein Matt
    Blue dogs are a wart on the ass of America.

    Can't tell you how excited we are to have your thoughts. Anyone else you would like to attack on your fledgling flight?


  69. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    I don’t shop at Wal-mart you bipartisan hack.

    heh


  70. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Saddler Says:
    You are known for your willingness to turn on a dime and eat your own.

    Yet, you're the dipsh|t whining and ranting about Obama..the man you claim to have voted for and hasn't even started the job yet. Oops....


  71. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Fred Says:
    Can’t tell you how excited we are to have your thoughts. Anyone else you would like to attack on your fledgling flight?

    Saddler is just another reich-wing concern troll. She's more than proved that fact by now.


  72. Saddler Says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
    Saddler, far-left whining liberals/reich-wing GOPigs are the warts on the arse of America.

    You've stated that you're neither liberal nor to the left.

    We're seeing that in play through the trademark mental instability of the right.

    There's nothing wrong with very progressive (far-left) individuals, and you have proven nothing to the contrary.

    Keep flinging your dung.


  73. Fred Says:

    Saddler said bipartisan hack.........

    I for one am glad you came along sidesaddler. You make me laugh


  74. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    #
    Saddler Says:
    You’ve stated that you’re neither liberal nor to the left.

    I've never stated that, troll. Sorry, try again. I am a leftist, but I would never identify myself with dung-flinging whining liberals/reich-wingers like yourself. Liberals are whiners by definition, and you are proving that fact here and now. Thanks.


  75. Saddler Says:

    So what views "appeal across the board" that you'd like to see alongside progressive views, Dr. Matt? Do you have a thing for your gun collection?


  76. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    #
    Saddler Says:
    January 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    Awwwwww, princess is back!!!!!! Good to see you made it out of your fetal position from the beating McGrampa and your GOPigs just received. Good to see you, princess!!! Keep obsessing over me...carry on.


  77. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    There’s nothing wrong with very progressive (far-left) individuals, and you have proven nothing to the contrary.

    Yet he has proven that you are at least a hypocrite:

    Saddler Says:
    You are known for your willingness to turn on a dime and eat your own.

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
    Yet, you’re the dipsh|t whining and ranting about Obama..the man you claim to have voted for and hasn’t even started the job yet. Oops….


  78. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Hey, princess, are you still defending McGrampa over at fauxnews.com?


  79. Saddler Says:

    Fred Says:
    Saddler said bipartisan hack………

    I for one am glad you came along sidesaddler. You make me laugh

    Learn some basic grammar and formatting, then come back.


  80. Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Saddler Says:
    Learn some basic grammar and formatting, then come back.

    Classic last resort of the concern troll....


  81. LiberalVoter Says:

    I consider myself a lefty. I voted for Obama. Am I 100% happy with his picks, of course not. But I am not a delusional Bush/Cheney sociopath. I do not expect Obama to do everything I want. The choices he is making for his cabinet are tasked to run our government the way Obama feels it should be run. I trust him to do what is correct for the whole country, not for the extreme right wing as Bush/Cheney have done. There has never been a politician I have been 100% please with but many have done a good job and I expect Obama to do a good job. Unlike the delusional right wing, I am going to give him time to prove that, rather than dump on him before he even takes office. And if Obama falls short, other than having to deal with the right wing obstructionists, I will be pointing it out as I am sure many of the other honest posters here will be doing.

    Pax


  82. Saddler Says:

    Dr. Matt is in full form. Say, what's your deal with using "princess" as an insult? I think you were called out on that one before, for insinuating that women were weak.


  83. Fred Says:

    Fred Says:
    Saddler said bipartisan hack………

    I for one am glad you came along sidesaddler. You make me laugh

    Saddler Says:
    Learn some basic grammar and formatting, then come back.

    Oh, please enlighten me. When did anyone ever use the words bipartisan hack before you.

    I mean the obvious and historical use has been to attack folks for their specific partisanship.....not bipartisanship.

    What am I missing?


  84. Fred Says:

    LiberalVoter Says:

    I agree 100%. These folks are not interested in that though as you can plainly see.


  85. Saddler Says:

    Fred and Dr. Matt are posting frantically, as if to give me a harder time to respond. That means they feel they've lost the battle. Whew, that was short.


  86. Fred Says:

    have fun with backpeddler, I mean sidesaddler. I've had enough fun for today.


  87. Fred Says:

    Saddler, Bartlebee?


  88. Saddler Says:

    I think I'll move on to the next thread and leave you both to ramble to yourselves. Come back when you have the respect of full progressive views in order.


  89. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins
    Dr.Hussein Matt

    Blue dogs are a wart on the ass of America.

    Bilbo is probably more liberal than you are. You comment only shows the regular posters ( like me )how foolish and shallow minded you are being in your posts.

    Another thing that shows your shallow mind to the rest of us is your critique of Obama's policies when he has not even been sworn in yet. To add to that, no one here protested louder than I, when the FISA vote happened. You are a fool to think that anyone elected to any office would follow YOUR agenda 100% or that they would agree with all of your views.
    I favored Kucinich in the primaries, but I did not agree with everything he said either. To live in the real world, real adults understand sometimes compromises have to be made.

    After he is sworn in and actually starts making policy and you disagree, by all means voice your opposition. At this time your speculation is as silly and stupid as any right winged 28%er troll. That includes freeman and tokin


  90. Keltoi Says:

    Fred at 66:

    Here you go:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/opinion/08krugman.html

    Google is an amazing thing, there are many other Bush bashing columns easily found, this is just the same paper and the same author.

    And to suggest Paul Krugman never criticized Bush...I mean, c'mon, really?


  91. LiberalVoter Says:

    Fred, it is a shame. The only thing these hacks are interested in is pissing and moaning and blaming everything on others. It must be a bummer for them when they pass by a mirror.


  92. freeman Says:

    Bilbo,

    Personally, I think people like you are lying when you say you ever voted for Obama. He has made zero policy decisions, but you are already condemning his presidency.
    Mind reading again ?
    He supported the Israeli strike on Lebanon . His right hand man is an unabashed Zionist .
    Hillary Clinton , whom he criticized on foreign policy will run the state dept (disingenuous enough ?)
    He broke a vow to filibuster any attempt to grant retroactive immunity on FISA.as a candidate for the democratic nomination then did the opposite upon becoming the nominee.
    He ran on change and then after winning the election proceeds to fill his cabinet with moderates and clintonites.
    He's tapped a torture advocate to head domestic security .
    He voted for the bailout and at this late hour advocates billions more in corporate socialism .
    His economic advisers are all directly from the Chicago school and as Goolsbee his chief economic adviser said can't afford to sing kumbyah with walmart protesters .


  93. Saddler Says:

    Oh, please enlighten me. When did anyone ever use the words bipartisan hack before you.

    OK, one more. You've fallen for the so-called goodness of the 'bipartisan' shtick, when that package contains what's good about the democratic party and what's bad about the republican party. Ultimately the public doesn't benefit. Not much of anything goes into effect. Democratic policies need to be stand-alone.


  94. DRxJ Says:

    Wow.
    Long time reader, first time poster comes out swinging, eh?

    Hey, Sadder, the next time you change your posting name and play the concern troll, may I suggest that you refrain from the "I've never posted here, or I rarely post". That automatically raises the red flag.
    Then, avoid the dreaded "I voted for Obama, BUT...", which only decreases your validity.
    Finally, whether liberal or not, most progressives I know usually don't whine about their needs, and their needs only. They want whats best for the country, for it's citizens, and sometimes that does involve sacrifice (JFK, anyone?).

    So, the next time you change your name and post as a concern troll, remember these 3 hints, and you may....MAY.... fool us.

    Or, when all else fails, post IN CONTINUOUS BOLD WITH MANY !!!!, and we'll completely ignore ya.

    good day!


  95. Fred Says:

    Keltoi Says:

    I read the article, it sounded like KRUGMAN was defending bush. As I read it many were trying to imply that bush had swayed from conservative values and Krugman was just pointing out that he was the true heir of the conservative movement.....


  96. Saddler Says:

    Bilbo is probably more liberal than you are.

    And you base that...how?


  97. Saddler Says:

    DRxJ

    I don't read rants. Have a nice day, sex addict.


  98. freeman Says:

    Dissent is patriotic , even here !


  99. Fred Says:

    freeman Says:
    He supported the Israeli strike on Lebanon.

    I guess he whispered that in your ear? I would need a link to support that......you know, before I could believe it.


  100. freeman Says:

    anyone who actually has an opinion is disingenuous and a liar ? not


  101. DRxJ Says:

    Sadder Says:
    DRxJ
    I don’t read rants. Have a nice day, sex addict.

    Wait.
    If you don't read rants, how do you know that I'm a sex addict?

    Fun stuff, first time poster. Fun stuff


  102. Saddler Says:

    What's good for the country will never lean right, which is what several of you contend. What's worse, you seem willing to engage the criminal element. Conservatism wiped the counter of any bread crumbs of compassion a long time ago.

    What's best for the country IS fully progressive.


  103. Angry McAngus Says:

    Bush reads it as long as its got cute little pictures, like My Pet Goat, comics, Illustrated Classics, Mad Magazine, etc.


  104. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    Bilbo is probably more liberal than you are.
    And you base that…how?

    saddleback, everything's not black and white. How old are you. The poster said probably and Bilbo has a long record of posting here. If as you say, you've been around for a while, you would know that.

    Your record is based on your performance today and it aint pretty.

    It's called deductive reasoning.


  105. Saddler Says:

    Wait.
    If you don’t read rants, how do you know that I’m a sex addict?

    Fun stuff, first time poster. Fun stuff

    That's right. Maybe you didn't read me the first time: I don't read rants.

    Have anything else to pull out of your ass?


  106. Keltoi Says:

    Fred Says:
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Keltoi Says:

    I read the article, it sounded like KRUGMAN was defending bush. As I read it many were trying to imply that bush had swayed from conservative values and Krugman was just pointing out that he was the true heir of the conservative movement…..

    Wow. Well our near perfect record on agreeing about nothing remains intact.

    His point - as I read it - was that conservatism was "irresponsible, incompetent, violated the Constitution" and that Bush was a good conservative. His descriptors of Bush are all negative - he is defending Bush's good standing in an ideology Krugman despises.


  107. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:

    Bilbo is probably more liberal than you are.

    And you base that…how?

    Because Bilbo has been posting long enough here for me to have read his posts and opinions. Once again your ignorance is showing. Maybe you should look in the archives for some of his previous posts before making a total ass of yourself your first day posting (under this name that is)


  108. DRxJ Says:

    Sadder Says:
    That’s right. Maybe you didn’t read me the first time: I don’t read rants.
    Have anything else to pull out of your ass?

    Hold on. You just said you "don't read rants", yet you just acknowledged mine.
    I'm so confused.
    Please explain it to me, ye of long time reader, first time posting fame.


  109. Saddler Says:

    I volunteer in my community. I have a degree in mathematics. I live frugally.

    But my own area, which voted lightly for Obama, has homeless people out in the streets. 27,000 college students, most of whom are arrogant, material and stuck on their cell phones, apparently couldn't care less amid all the places to shop and max out their credit cards.


  110. Saddler Says:

    And that is the reason why liberal principles no longer have a consistent application. Pick n' choose and sell out to the next buyer. And all of you fall for it.


  111. LiberalVoter Says:

    freeman Says: Dissent is patriotic , even here !

    Yes freeman, dissent is patriotic - unless it happened over the last 8 years. Then it was un-American, hateful, wrong, bla bla bla bla bla.


  112. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:

    Have anything else to pull out of your ass?

    You seem to be flinging more than enough sh!t out of yours all by yourself.

    Great start you made today by alienating most of the progressive posters. You may have to change your name (again) troll.


  113. Fred Says:

    Keltoi Says:

    Yeah keltoy, I've never been fooled by your mock sincerity. You seem to be intent on convincing me that the media is not in the pocket of the conservatives and they are being gentle on Obama.

    We disagree.



  114. Saddler Says:

    Let me amend my posting Drxj: your rants are nothing new. You think you're being clever, but I think you're a puppet like the rest of 'em.


  115. Tracy__5 Says:

    Did he read this one?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28561910/

    I especially like Mr. "I've accomplished nothing as a U.S. Senator" Kerry's comment that so exemplifies his ignorance, and others who oppose OBAMA for calling for business tax breaks, about how to help the U.S. economy get out of this recession.

    "Sen John Kerry, D-Mass., said, "I'd rather spend the money on the infrastructure, on direct investment, on energy conversion, on other kinds of things that much more directly, much more rapidly and much more certainly create a real job."

    You do the above when economic times are good, NOT during a recession as ANY economist will tell you. We need immediate economic simulus not long term plans that will take years to develop. Do we need to do those things Kerry speaks of?...absolutely, but it's not the way to get us out of this recession. Obama finally gets it, but his colleagues in the congress need help. I have confidence that Obama can persuade them...he a good politician.


  116. Keltoi Says:

    Fred Says:
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Keltoi Says:

    Yeah keltoy, I’ve never been fooled by your mock sincerity. You seem to be intent on convincing me that the media is not in the pocket of the conservatives and they are being gentle on Obama.

    We disagree.

    Indeed. But that was almost civil, perhaps there is hope...


  117. DRxJ Says:

    My gawd.
    Saddler is BARTLEBEE!
    And I've always had the sneaky suspicion that BARTLEBEE was Humanist.

    good times, my friends, good times.


  118. Saddler Says:

    You seem to be flinging more than enough sh!t out of yours all by yourself.

    Great start you made today by alienating most of the progressive posters. You may have to change your name (again) troll.

    January 8th, 2009 at 3:58 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

    If you're so willing to play deal with the conservatives, I don't have to worry about alienating any progressives. I know a progressive when I read one.


  119. Saddler Says:

    DRxJ Says:
    My gawd.
    Saddler is BARTLEBEE!
    And I’ve always had the sneaky suspicion that BARTLEBEE was Humanist.

    good times, my friends, good times.

    I don't do religion, but you hold on to that thought. It says more about you than it says about me.


  120. Fred Says:

    Saddler, One last comment to you and I will be nice. Extremes of right and left are exemplified by:

    On the right the failure of facism in Europe in the 30's and 40's

    On the left by the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union. By the way, raygun didn't do it.

    No one system taken to it's extreme will succeed. I am an American and I believe in free enterprise. I also believe that a sucessful government will be a mixture of the left and right. In other words some things should not be about money, health care for instance.

    I don't believe that America is it's corporations either. But they should be encouraged within reasonable bounds to enhance our live and help move us forward.


  121. Saddler Says:

    DRxJ views Humanist as pejorative.

    Figures, turncoat.


  122. DRxJ Says:

    Sadder Says:
    Let me amend my posting Drxj: your rants are nothing new. You think you’re being clever, but I think you’re a puppet like the rest of ‘em.

    Hold me! I'm so scared.


  123. Fred Says:

    Tracy__5 Says:
    I especially like Mr. “I’ve accomplished nothing as a U.S. Senator” Kerry’s comment that so exemplifies his ignorance

    This very statement does nothing less than exemplify your own ignorance.


  124. LiberalVoter Says:

    Keltoi, you have been around long enough to know most of the discussions her are civil. It is when the trolls show up pushing the right wing talking points, using their opinion as fact, refusing to back up their 'facts', use know baiting techniques to try to cause a fight, flaming right out of the box, and on and on.


  125. freeman Says:

    Apparently the biggest draw here for several posters is to insult and question the integrity and sincerity of any poster who is not a moderate or capable of free thinking ?
    Progressives worked tirelessly telling the truth about the criminal acts of the last 8 years and putting Mr Obama in office .Yet if they criticize Obama , they are actually lying, disingenuous and want Obama to fail .(?)
    The corporate 2 party system is a sham which can either be repaired or replaced. The democratic congress has lower approval ratings than the Bush administration !
    Holy Joe Lieberman was almost within a heart beat of the presidency and the pick of the democrats in a national election .But he can kiss a baby with the best of them !


  126. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:
    I know a progressive when I read one.

    Funny.... you really do not even seem to know your ass from a hole in the ground.

    Funny stuff, first time (under this name) poster. Hahaha.
    Keep alienating all the regulars by your weak attempts to insult them, let me know how that works out for you.


  127. Saddler Says:

    Wayne Says:
    Saddler Says:
    I know a progressive when I read one.

    Funny…. you really do not even seem to know your ass from a hole in the ground.

    Shocked, I tell you. A school yard taunt from a real gulf invader.


  128. Keltoi Says:

    LiberalVoter Says:

    Keltoi, you have been around long enough to know most of the discussions her are civil. It is when the trolls show up pushing the right wing talking points, using their opinion as fact, refusing to back up their ‘facts’, use know baiting techniques to try to cause a fight, flaming right out of the box, and on and on.

    Well, Fred and I have a history of less than always civil discourse.

    And don't forget - I AM a Troll.


  129. livelongandprosper Says:

    Keltoi Says:

    Fred at 66:

    Here you go:

    http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 10/ 08/ opinion/ 08krugman.html

    Google is an amazing thing, there are many other Bush bashing columns easily found, this is just the same paper and the same author.

    And to suggest Paul Krugman never criticized Bush…I mean, c’mon, really?

    LOL from 2007!!!! Try find something from 2001 or 2002 or 2003.


  130. Saddler Says:

    Keep alienating all the regulars by your weak attempts to insult them, let me know how that works out for you.

    January 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm Recommend (2) | Report Abuse

    If the only regular who adheres fully to progressive principles is freeman, that's one big gain and the rest of you moderates can go to hell. You big box store frequenters aren't doing anyone any favors.


  131. LiberalVoter Says:

    Keltoi, yes I know you are a troll and you get tweeked. But there are times when you stop trolling and honest discourse slips through. Rare, but I have seen it happen. Thing is, when someone sets a pattern they have to earn the trust.


  132. Fred Says:

    freeman Says:
    The democratic congress has lower approval ratings than the Bush administration !

    I will just take this one statement of yours from many in which you profess to be the one who is right and everyone else is wrong.

    Please, please read this and then you can apologize and maybe try again to enter the discussions with a little humility.

    Dems in congress much more popular than repubs or bush

    I'm sure you can understand why we think you might be a fraud when you use right wing talking points that have long been disproven.


  133. Fred Says:

    Saddler Says:
    If the only regular who adheres fully to progressive principles is freeman

    please see my response to freeman at 135 or thereabouts


  134. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:
    If the only regular who adheres fully to progressive principles is freeman, that’s one big gain and the rest of you moderates can go to hell.

    So, how exactly are you determining what position in the political scale I am at?

    I have been posting here a very long time, since TP first started. I have never had to change my name to hide who I am, unlike many others. I was the first,at least here, to make public the Warner military commissions act, rammed through the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress in 2006, signed in a private ceremony by Bush with only PNAC members in attendance, press not allowed. I was the first to bring to light the abuse heaped on veterans and war wounded by the Bush Administration. These are only two examples. There are a lot of my posts here in the archives. Read them before further making an ass of yourself further.

    You are sounding more and more like a f_ckwit.


  135. Shayne Says:

    DRxJ Says:

    Wow.
    Long time reader, first time poster comes out swinging, eh?

    Saddler comes out swinging? More like flailing and leading with his chin.


  136. Wayne Says:

    Keltoi Says:

    And don’t forget - I AM a Troll.

    Heh, yeah but you are a good troll. I may not agree with you but you


  137. Saddler Says:

    Shayne Says:
    DRxJ Says:

    Saddler comes out swinging? More like flailing and leading with his chin.

    Spoken by a materialistic pig.


  138. Old Goat Says:

    Proud Says: Yeah, nevermind what that asshat says.

    Diggin' on a president that actually gives a damn about good and bad press about himself.

    Rather than making up bullshit about what MIGHT happen, I'm all too happy to discover what WILL happen. That isn't here yet, so I can't judge.


  139. Wayne Says:

    bah,
    lost part of that post.
    I may not agree with you but you are usually intelligent in your opposition. Something I admire, Kel


  140. Saddler Says:

    You see Wayne, your user name always hides who you are, unless you post the full name. First name alone isn't exactly a giveaway. Posting is anonymous.


  141. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:
    Shocked, I tell you. A school yard taunt from a real gulf invader.

    Ahhh, I see. You hate and have no respect for veterans at all. If you are that kind of "liberal" I understand why you are such a f_cking jerkwad. Now we all know.


  142. Tracy__5 Says:

    #122

    Don't worry Saddler, Bartlee was nothing but a little punk Chiuaua that doesn't post here anymore.


  143. Shayne Says:

    Saddler Says:

    Shayne Says:
    DRxJ Says:

    Saddler comes out swinging? More like flailing and leading with his chin.

    Spoken by a materialistic pig.

    It seems like this is AlphaInfinityOmega who has been acting progressive and today came out of the closet on the Thinkfast thread. He was CompTROLLER, good friend of Mr. President or an alter ego of Mr. P. He's been hanging out for months acting progressive, AIO, and I was just waiting to see what he was up to. I think the RNC was first paying them to act like Hillary supporters and now like extreme liberals who are disgruntled with Obama.


  144. DRxJ Says:

    Saddlebee Says:
    Shocked, I tell you. A school yard taunt from a real gulf invader.

    Yes, Wayne has the respect of me, and most everyone here. But, he was not a "gulf invader", you mucking foron.
    And yes, that was a school yard taunt from me. You'll learn to deal with it, because anyone who chastises a poster for calling names, alst the while labeling another a "pig", gets no mercy from me.
    Got it, AIO!


  145. Tracy__5 Says:

    #126

    "This very statement does nothing less than exemplify your own ignorance."

    Name a NOTE WORTHY piece of legislation that he AUTHORED, not sponsored, while he has been in the U.S. Senate.


  146. DRxJ Says:

    Shayne,
    It is quite interesting that AIO was outted as being Razor_Boy on the ThinkFast thread, and then Saddlebee appears here, and voila, no AIO.
    Again, interesting, because AIO has not been a true supporter of Obama, and this thread would have been perfect for it.

    And this particular troll has been doing this for quite some time. It even remembers Humanist. So, this troll has been an antogonist for possibly years (mighty aphrodite?)
    Wait. Did I say "interesting"? I'm sorry, I meant PATHETIC!


  147. Wayne Says:

    Shayne Says:
    It seems like this is AlphaInfinityOmega who has been acting progressive and today came out of the closet on the Thinkfast thread.

    That makes sense, I have been waiting for CT to go back to his trollish ways eventually. I called him out the other day for his lunatic attack on Zooey for no reason.


  148. Saddler Says:

    It seems like this is AlphaInfinityOmega who has been acting progressive and today came out of the closet on the Thinkfast thread. He was CompTROLLER, good friend of Mr. President or an alter ego of Mr. P. He’s been hanging out for months acting progressive, AIO, and I was just waiting to see what he was up to. I think the RNC was first paying them to act like Hillary supporters and now like extreme liberals who are disgruntled with Obama.

    There's nothing extreme about liberals. Check your facts before you pull them out of your ass, ok Reagan humper?


  149. Saddler Says:

    You know Wayne, no war has been worthy since WWII. No one from any incursion in Iraq has provided me a drop of freedom.


  150. Shayne Says:

    Saddler Says:

    What time did you get back from the meth lab CT?


  151. Saddler Says:

    That makes sense, I have been waiting for CT to go back to his trollish ways eventually. I called him out the other day for his lunatic attack on Zooey for no reason.

    You're throwing lots of handles out there and looking like morons in the process. Bartlebee? Mr. President? DC? CT? AZ? NC? IL? ID?


  152. Shayne Says:

    Horses A$$, I mean saddler, could be at any right wing site castigating Reagan humpers but instead he comes to TP to do it. Rebel without a clue.


  153. Shayne Says:

    Hey Saddler, we thought you said you'd been around here and new all the inside dope. Make up your mind.


  154. Saddler Says:

    Now I'm being address by state.

    Well, Connecticut got back from the meth lab when Sarah Palin closed shop for the day.


  155. Shayne Says:

    When we address you by state you'll be Virginia.


  156. Saddler Says:

    Shayne Says:
    Horses A$$, I mean saddler, could be at any right wing site castigating Reagan humpers but instead he comes to TP to do it. Rebel without a clue.

    You voted for him. Cheer up, hack.


  157. Shayne Says:

    That's CompTROLLER CT, remember?


  158. Shayne Says:

    I did? Prove it.


  159. Saddler Says:

    I think you should sober up and drop by Wal-Mart to pick up a new action figure, rambling idiot.


  160. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:
    There’s nothing extreme about liberals. Check your facts before you pull them out of your ass, ok Reagan humper?

    You are no liberal or progressive, especially if you accuse Shayne of being a Reagan humper. You are as low on the credibility scale as you can get now.

    Time to start just flagging out this idiot troll. Looks like Saddler/CT/Razor_boy/AIO is off the meds again and is trying to just derail the threads.


  161. Shayne Says:

    I don't shop at Walmart, ever. Ye of little knowledge. But Wayne is right about flagging you.


  162. DRxJ Says:

    Shayne Says:

    Hey Saddler, we thought you said you’d been around here and new all the inside dope. Make up your mind.

    BOOOYA!
    Game.
    Set.
    Match!

    You're done, AIO (aka Saddlemouth!). You've been justly outted.
    We'll await your next handle, because, let's face it, you've being doing this quite some time.
    I repeat.
    PATHETIC!


  163. Saddler Says:

    That's right, I've never created a user name here. I felt a great need to address Dr. Matt's idiotic postings as out of line for attacking true progressive posters. Apparently you've had your mouth on Reagan's c*ck for too long to figure that out.


  164. Shayne Says:

    Wayne, he's probably the same coward under a different name who was afraid to show up for the fight, remember? :)


  165. Shayne Says:

    DRxJ, looks like the RNC has started their nickel a post program up again. The troll poop is deep around here today.


  166. Wayne Says:

    Shayne Says:

    Wayne, he’s probably the same coward under a different name who was afraid to show up for the fight, remember? :)

    hahaha, Dr. Dog, one of P-brain's sockpuppets, yeah that one was freekin' hilarious. Dishonesty outs them every time.


  167. dbadass Says:

    This looks slightly amusing...


  168. Wayne Says:

    Saddler Says:
    I’ve never created a user name here.

    Yeah, right. Too bad you have outed yourself in your own posts proving that to be a lie.

    You will have to create a new name soon enough, though.


  169. Saddler Says:

    I'm laughing at a clump of right-wing losers who think they're victorious by throwing out handles that may not even be part of the TP database.


  170. Shayne Says:

    Only slightly db.


  171. Wayne Says:

    dbadass Says:

    This looks slightly amusing…

    By all means, join the fun.
    Have your troll whacking mallet handy? I have an extra I can loan you, if not =)


  172. Saddler Says:

    Shayne Says:
    I did? Prove it.

    Well, I'm keen at remembering posts.

    First, investment banks usually ruin any good economy.

    Second, it sucks that you took it out on Carter when the problems of the time were clearly out of his control.


  173. Saddler Says:

    Wayne Says:
    Saddler Says:
    I’ve never created a user name here.

    Yeah, right. Too bad you have outed yourself in your own posts proving that to be a lie.

    (Amused)

    And which post was that? I've read the same cheap shots toward new posters before, so that accusation has paper-thin credibility.


  174. dbadass Says:

    I usually go sans mallet. I prefer the dirty hands approach...


  175. Keltoi Says:

    dbadass Says:
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    This looks slightly amusing…

    I think you are late....


  176. ElBruce Says:

    Sorry I'm late, folks. Let's see if I can get caught up.

    OK, this entire thread completely disproves the myth that the Left is too infatuated with Obama to criticize him. Freepers can cross that one off their list of faith-based bullsh!t right now.

    .

    Fireball Says:

    I’m glad to see that uhhhhhbama reads Toilet Paper.

    Haha, that's a good one. I hadn't heard it before. He does "uhhh" too often and too long. I was hoping the guy who does him on SNL would pick up on it, but not yet apparently.

    The really funny thing? If Obama sees that nickname somewhere, he'll probably get a chuckle too.

    .

    Saddler Says:

    If Obama doesn’t appeal to the northeastern liberal in me, he will not receive a second term.

    I demand that you let the northeastern liberal out! Really, that's disgusting.

    .

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    Yes, princess, there is a problem with the far-left (i.e. liberals), just like there is a problem with far reich-wing. You are one in the same.

    Not so much. I consider myself center-left specifically because the left doesn't go as far left as the right goes off the scale of pure Satanic evil.

    Saying you're "exactly in the middle" is too easy, and suggests insufficient self-reflection.

    .

    Saddler Says:

    Blue dogs are a wart on the ass of America.

    While this is true, blue dogs aren't centrists, they're actually to the right of center. If you think somebody saying they're a centrist means they're a blue dog, then you've mislaid the definition. Which is why I reiterated it for you.

    .

    Saddler Says:

    Let me amend my posting Drxj: your rants are nothing new. You think you’re being clever, but I think you’re a puppet like the rest of ‘em.

    I often find DRxJ quite witty. Howdy Doody was a puppet, and his show was quite popular.

    .

    Tracy__5 Says:

    You do the above when economic times are good, NOT during a recession as ANY economist will tell you.

    Actually, all of the economists are saying the exact opposite.

    .

    freeman Says:

    Apparently the biggest draw here for several posters is to insult and question the integrity and sincerity of any poster who is not a moderate or capable of free thinking ?

    Oh God yes.

    .

    Keltoi Says:

    And don’t forget - I AM a Troll.

    Well, you seem to employ the best conservative arguments available, and arrange them in the correct order from premise to conclusion. Of course you still ultimately fail, but not as miserably as your troll kindred, and you do put up a pretty good fight. Perhaps "King of the TP Trolls" would be a more accurate description.

    .

    Tracy__5 Says:

    Name a NOTE WORTHY piece of legislation that he AUTHORED, not sponsored, while he has been in the U.S. Senate.

    Nobody gets to author legislation in their first term. Now I demand that you stand on your left foot and recite the Pledge of Allegiance backwards while masturbating.

    .

    Saddler Says:

    Spoken by a materialistic pig.

    Are you sure you're not a freeper doing a caricature of a lefty bomb-thrower? Well, in any case, fight the power, man.


  177. ElBruce Says:

    Saddler Says:

    You know Wayne, no war has been worthy since WWII.

    I'll agree with that statement. Weird, that almost sounds like the beginning of a reasonable opinion.

    .

    Saddler Says:

    No one from any incursion in Iraq has provided me a drop of freedom.

    Obama had a great quote a week or two back about how "no soldier's service is ever wasted." In order to be able to fight just wars, soldiers have to be willing to assume the risk of being sent to unjust ones. All blame for that lies with the Commander-In-Chief and his circle of advisors.

    The alternative would be to live in one of those countries in which the military has a political opinion that in turn affects the politics of those countries. As often as not, political decisions have to be made to try to avoid being couped. In the U.S.A, civilian control of the military, and the discipline of the military to do as the civilian leadership tells them, prevents the country from becoming a military dictatorship. I'm sure you'd agree that military dictatorships are a bad thing.


  178. Wayne Says:

    ElBruce Says:
    Sorry I’m late, folks. Let’s see if I can get caught up.

    Nice job catching up, heh


  179. dbadass Says:

    Saddler Says:

    You know Wayne, no war has been worthy since WWII.

    ---
    I knew this "war on terror" thing was a farce....


  180. Shayne Says:

    Saddler Says:

    Shayne Says:
    I did? Prove it.

    Well, I’m keen at remembering posts.

    First, investment banks usually ruin any good economy.

    Second, it sucks that you took it out on Carter when the problems of the time were clearly out of his control.

    That's because I was young and believed the propaganda my bosses were spewing CT. But, I moved a week before the election and when I went to vote they wouldn't let me. So I didn't vote for anybody. And four years later I most certainly did not vote for Reagan.


  181. PatrioticLiberalChristian Says:

    I get really suspicious when I read that someone has been a long time reader but never posted before. The kind of conversations held here usually beg for comment.


  182. ElBruce Says:

    Wayne Says:

    Nice job catching up, heh

    Why, thank you. If I were being hosted off a better hardware platform, I'd be able to watch more TP threads at once, but as it is I'd need by software rewritten to handle migrating anyways. One does what one can.


  183. Shayne Says:

    PLC, that just means they have to change their name. Saddler is CompTROLLER and more recently AlphaInfinityOmega. He started as a right winger, moved to the center left and now is a radical liberal. Tomorrow will be another name and another persona.


  184. Saddler Says:

    But, I moved a week before the election and when I went to vote they wouldn’t let me.

    Too convenient.

    BTW, all these acronyms coming out of your posts -- PLC, CT, etc. -- is your keyboard giving you a hard time?


  185. Marie Says:

    I suppose that means Fox News on all the White House TVs, so they can keep up with the constant barrage of slurs and slams against his administration. UGH! Talk about poor working conditions for the staaff.

    Bushies had Fox on all the TVs because they liked the flattery.


  186. Marie Says:

    #13 ecto
    Way too hard to read.
    Try paragraphs, fewer CAPS.


  187. ElBruce Says:

    Marie Says:

    #13 ecto
    Way too hard to read.

    I highly recommend reading all of <a href="">comment #13 slowly to yourself, but imagine it in the voice of Sam the Eagle from the Muppet Show. It is most entertaining.


  188. Fred Says:

    Hippie_crusher Says:

    That's just a lie hipdiksucker


  189. barfly Says:

    Hippie_crusher Says:

    What bad press? He’s never had any.

    No shit, bro.

    Terrorist fist bump.


  190. ElBruce Says:

    Hippie_crusher Says:

    What bad press? He’s never earned any.

    Fixed.


  191. EugeneDebs Says:

    HippieLicker you are an ignorant punk and a troll and several rungs below pondscum on the evolutionary ladder. Bite my massive hairy nutsack.


  192. Caribbean Joe Says:

    A President who reads. How refreshing!



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