ThinkFast: January 8, 2009
ThinkFast: January 8, 2009
Anti-American Iraqi Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr yesterday called for “revenge operations” against U.S. forces to protest Israel’s offensive in Gaza. Sadr also “urged that Palestinian flags be raised on mosques, churches and other buildings in Iraq and that all countries shut down Israel’s embassies.”
Three rockets fired from Lebanon into Northern Israel today “raised concern that they could presage a second front in the conflict that would complicate peace efforts.” The Israeli military, however, dismissed the rockets as “a minor event” while Israeli negotiators arrived in Cairo, Egypt to begin cease-fire negotiations.
In a speech set to be delivered today at George Mason University, President-elect Obama says that the nation’s recession could “linger for years” unless Congress acts to pass a new $800 billion stimulus package. Obama adds that “[a] bad situation could become dramatically worse,” warning of double-digit unemployment and a loss of $1 trillion in economic activity.
A new poll commissioned by the AFL-CIO finds that “73 percent of adults said that they supported the Employee Free Choice Act when read the union’s descriptions of the bill’s three main provisions.” Seventy-eight percent said that they favored legislation to “make it easier for workers to bargain with their employers for better wages, benefits and working conditions.”
President-elect Obama is prepared to scrap Bush’s homeland security office and appoint longtime CIA official John Brennan head of a counter-terrorism unit to be folded into the National Security Council. Brennan would not require Senate confirmation. “The idea of merging the two councils has been recommended by a number of reports, most notably in November by the Center for American Progress Action Fund and by Third Way.”
Obama has selected Cass Sunstein as administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, according to a transition official. Sunstein, a constitutional scholar at Harvard Law School, will “oversee reform of regulations, seeking to find smarter approaches and better results in the areas of health, environment and other domestic areas.”
The House passed a measure yesterday that would require future donations to presidential libraries to be publicly disclosed. The House also passed legislation that would make it more difficult for presidents to restrict access to certain documents.
In yet another 11th hour regulation, the Interior Department today “is publishing a rule that would lift a 79-year-old executive order prohibiting oil shale development in Wyoming and Utah.” Oil giant Shell had “pressed” Interior to issue the rule.
In a Republican conference meeting yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) discussed the “devastating loss of Hispanic voters and how that arose on the rhetoric on immigration,” according to a Senate Republican who attended the meeting. The need to reach out to Hispanics “was discussed big time,” Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) said. “We have to reach out to Hispanics. We need to go on Hispanic media much more.”
And finally: Yes, Pecan! That’s the name of Ben & Jerry has given their butter pecan ice cream in support of President-elect Obama. The Ben & Jerry’s website calls the flavor “an inspirational blend” of “amber waves of buttery ice cream with roasted non-partisan pecans.”
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Didn't we just see him up for another position...a position Obama's supporters did not want this guy in since he's a torture apologist? What the f**k, Obama, you can't find anyone suited to the job who doesn't advocate torture and the expansion of wiretapping? I mean, I'm glad to see George's Homeland Fearmongering office will be closed but...
January 8th, 2009 at 9:10 amliberal traitor Says:
What the f**k, Obama, you can’t find anyone suited to the job who doesn’t advocate torture and the expansion of wiretapping?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:10 am
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Apparently not. I heard something about this on the radio yesterday - you pretty much have to either go outside the intelligence community completely, or find someone who's been out of the loop for the past eight years to find someone who isn't somehow tainted by torture.
I'm glad he picked Panetta for CIA chief, but it looks like there will be a few torture supporters in the new administration.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:18 amRe: Brennan
Why will this name not disappear?
Does he have a portfolio of embarrassing fotos?
The guy is tainted with the blood and shit of torture.
His sympathies are clear, and they are not (small-d) democratic.
They put him in a slot that doesn't require Senate approval?
Gee-phucking-whiz, I thought we voted for change.
And Brennan is not the only fly in the ointment. That guy named to be DNI, Blair, is dirty, dirty, dirty. A military fascist who worked avidly against official Clinton initiatives to end the slaughter in Timor in the late 90s.
New boss = Old boss
January 8th, 2009 at 9:22 amClosing the homeland security office is great news but appointing a torture advocate ? Perhaps the two men see eye to eye on spying on me in my home ! Mr brennan hesding the new office will do more than give the appearance of new wrapping om the gift we just sent back .
January 8th, 2009 at 9:24 amReject torture and do the walk , talk ( remember FISA ) is cheap !
When I first made comments about Obama not being one to make great changes from what has gone on for the last few years, I was either ridiculed or, more generally, ignored. I hope that Obama will have a "road to Damascus" conversion and start cleaning up the mess our government has made, including not punishing Blair for his role in the East Timor-Indonesia struggle.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:29 amSen. John Ensign (R-NV) said. “We have to reach out to Hispanics. We need to go on Hispanic media much more.”
Perhaps you should begin with charging employers of illegal immigrants at the same ratio you imprison the workers hired by them?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:31 amA new poll commissioned by the AFL-CIO finds that “73 percent of adults said that they supported the Employee Free Choice Act when read the union’s descriptions of the bill’s three main provisions.”
Well, that's not good for the Republicans who want to kill this legislation. What we need to do now is to get that 73% of Americans to contact their representatives and let them know how their constituents feel about this.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:40 amInstead of McCain, it looks like Obama is turning out to be Bush 3, and definitely Clinton 2.
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 9:42 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Well, that’s not good for the Republicans who want to kill this legislation. What we need to do now is to get that 73% of Americans to contact their representatives and let them know how their constituents feel about this.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am
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Bearing in mind, of course, that it was essentially a push-poll commissioned by the AFL-CIO saying that people support the act once they've heard the union's spin on it. Not that the bill itself isn't a good idea, I just wouldn't place too much faith in this particular metric.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:43 amliberal traitor Says:
Didn’t we just see him up for another position…a position Obama’s supporters did not want this guy in since he’s a torture apologist? What the f**k, Obama, you can’t find anyone suited to the job who doesn’t advocate torture and the expansion of wiretapping?
Obama obviously sees something in this guy. Since every other appointment he has made shows that he is not going to continue the sanction of torture in this country and everything he says indicates the same, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
I don't know why people think that if Obama appoints someone who had a particular view, that means Obama shares that view or will be influenced by that view. Remember, Obama will be the President and the one making policy, not his appointees.
So, how about we give him the benefit of the doubt until such time as he starts making policy we disagree with.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:44 amgood morning... i just read something in my local daily, about the teen birth rate...
the paper ran an abbreviated version of this AP story, the first three paragraphs only... i'm sure the most important one for my area was this:
The three states [Miss., Texas, N.Mex.] have large proportions of black and Hispanic teenagers — groups that traditionally have higher birth rates, experts noted.
"oh good! it's not our white kids doin' the nasty!"
does anyone know if the numbers were broken down by race?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:46 amalphainfinityomega Says:
Instead of McCain, it looks like Obama is turning out to be Bush 3, and definitely Clinton 2.
Get a grip. Exactly what policy decisions has he made that mirror anything Bush did or Clinton did? What's wrong with you people? He isn't even President yet and he hasn't made policy yet. Why don't you hold your criticism until such time as he makes a policy decision you disagree with.
Obama has enough problems with the obstructionist Republicans to deal with, he doesn't also need to have to deal with a bunch of armchair quarterbacks who think that they know how to run this country better than Obama possibly could.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:48 am....and while I'm at it, does anyone want to bet me that come 2012 that there are still at least 100,000 troops in Iraq?
And that's not even including the private contracting mercenaries.
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 9:50 amThe House passed a measure yesterday that would require future donations to presidential libraries to be publicly disclosed.
is there a reason this couldn't be ALL? make it retroactive?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:55 amkinda reminds me about something i heard last night... keith or rachel?
about how reid is getting all stern with this new president...
w t f ???
January 8th, 2009 at 9:56 amalphainfinityomega Says:
Instead of McCain, it looks like Obama is turning out to be Bush 3, and definitely Clinton 2.
Regarding your Clinton remark. I assume you are saying this because so many of Obama's appointments once worked in the Clinton Administration. So, I ask you this. Considering the mess this country is in today, Obama needs experienced people who know how things work in Washington. So, where would you have him find these people. He only has two choices. Either people who once worked for Clinton or people who once worked for Carter. Since most people who worked for Carter are either very old or dead, that leaves people who worked for Clinton.
Then, I'm betting you think if someone worked for Clinton, they were 100% in line with Clinton's views and will somehow magically be able to implement those views. That's a ridiculous assumption. I have a boss. I disagree with most of what he believes, but I still do my job to the best of my ability.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:56 amalphainfinityomega Says:
….and while I’m at it, does anyone want to bet me that come 2012 that there are still at least 100,000 troops in Iraq?
And that’s not even including the private contracting mercenaries.
And why do you ASSume that? What has Obama said or done to show that to be the case? Or, is this just another one of your ridiculous "armchair quarterback" predictions.
Even if Obama wanted to keep troops in Iraq (which he doesn't), how could we pay for it considering the fact that China is getting skittish about lending us money for the occupation?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:59 amYes, all those "plots" turned out to be bogus. Congrats.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:59 amYes, but what does your [pathetic] scenario have to do with torture or water boarding?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:00 amHow come we are still in Iraqnam and Afghanistannam and dubyah's economy is in shambles? Oops.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:02 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Get a grip. Exactly what policy decisions has he made that mirror anything Bush did or Clinton did?
You either can't be serious or are a pollyanna.
Let me name just a few...
Gates
Brennan
H. Clinton
Emanuel
Podesta
B. Clinton
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 10:03 amAnd rightly so. Morons like your whining about a man that hasn't even been in sworn in make you no different from the radical reich-wing/hillary supporters.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:04 amHippie_crusher Says:
If you could have prevented 911 by pouring a few drops of water up somebodys nose….wouldn’t you do it? Of course you losers wouldn’t because you hate America so much.
Are you idiots aware of all the plots KSM gave up when we waterboarded him? Including the attack on the library towers in LA?
Obama lied to you fools during his campain, he’s adopting Bush’s policies for one reason….THEY WORK!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 9:46 am
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there's an aneurysm
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January 8th, 2009 at 10:04 amHow are these policy decisions? Have any of these people even made a policy decision on behalf of the Obama presidency? You and your reich-wing/hillary counter parts looks stupid. Fact. Reich-wingers and far left liberals only do one thing well....whine. You are proof of that.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:05 amhussein toasterhead Says:
I’m glad he picked Panetta for CIA chief, but it looks like there will be a few torture supporters in the new administration.
First of all, how do you know that they still hold those positions. People change, you know. Second, just because they are in the administration doesn't mean they will be making policy. Everything Obama has done, especially choosing Panetta for CIA, has shown that he is totally against our policies on torture. So, do you think that anyone on his staff is going to change his mind? Even if he wanted to change his mind on torture (which I am sure he doesn't), he's smart enough to know that would be political suicide for him.
Why is it that the left has decided to tear down Obama before he even takes office. What will that accomplish. He already has enough problems with the obstructionist Republicans to deal with, why should we also be piling on him before he has even made a policy decision we disagree with?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:05 amWith some CIA people (current and retired) being outspoken about Panetta, even though Blair will remain, Obama has to appoint some people into positions - and some of those persons will have been part of the torture proponent contingency. That doesn't mean the US will condone torture, it means that there will be people on the inside who will represent those who favor the unethical, if not illegal, tactics of Bush&Co.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:05 amIsn't it a little early to be stinking drunk and pissing your pants Hippie_crusher?
"If you could have prevented 911 by pouring a few drops of water up somebodys nose…."
Guess what fool? 9/11 could have been prevented without waterboarding. All the boyking needed to do was READ his daily intel briefings and LISTENED to what the outgoing Administration so boldy tried to tell him. Instead Chimpy brashly ignored the writing on the wall and sat back while NYC, DC and a field in PA burned. Why you piss-soaked fascists can't bring yourselves to admit the reality that torture does not bring reliable intel shows a level of willful ignorance that helps explain how George Bush still retains your devotion. Waterboarding has long been considered illegal by the US and all signatories of the Geneva Convention. Because Bush and Cheney decided it was legal and had their lawyers attest to it in writing DOES NOT MAKE IT LEGAL. Can you explain why the high courts have stated that coerced testimony will not be admissible during detainee trials? I can give you two hints, because it is illegal and unreliable!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:06 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
And rightly so. Morons like your whining about a man that hasn’t even been in sworn in make you no different from the radical reich-wing/hillary supporters.
And the same goes for alphainfinityomega.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:06 amAgreed.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:07 amCan we please... PLEASE... have a poster with an opposing viewpoint that has at least attained a high school education?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:07 amPLEASE?
I grow tired of the mAnn Coulter fanatics that can only resort to nonsensical attacks.
I do miss exley, even his egotistical, narcissist, holier than thou posts. At least he had intelligence when sparring.
This one here? My 1st graders have more reasonable thought processes.
Therefore, in a rarity, I flagged his dum bass.
i posted this at the WONK ROOM yesterday... i landed there by mistake actually, but the thread reminded me of my story:
in mid-december, the chamber had a speaker come to town, s.central illinois, to speak about keeping unions out of business…
a Keith Braskich… “a partner at David and Campbel in Peoria”… “a specialist in labor management relations who spoke about the possible effects the Employee Free Choice Ace will have on employers and then led a work-shop teaching employers how to keep their organizations union free.”
i wasn’t able to hash it out with my usual letter-to-the-editor method, turning instead to preparing for christmas prep and space-invaders…
had forgotten about it till now… i can’t find the article online either… from my local daily, and they don’t post all stories…
well, it’s not called “Chamber of Commerce and Employees”.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:08 amHippie_crusher Says:
If you could have prevented 911 by pouring a few drops of water up somebodys nose….wouldn’t you do it? Of course you losers wouldn’t because you hate America so much.
The sad thing is that we didn't need to torture anyone to prevent 911. All we needed was a President who wasn't on permanent vacation who actually listened to what people were telling him. Bush had more than enough warning that something like 911 was going to happen and he ignored each and every one of them.
It really galls me that Bush want's credit for "keeping us safe for the last 7 years", but won't take responsibility for not keeping us safe on 911.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:08 ammy local daily is just a wealth of mis-information!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:08 amalphainfinityomega Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Get a grip. Exactly what policy decisions has he made that mirror anything Bush did or Clinton did?
You either can’t be serious or are a pollyanna.
Let me name just a few…
Gates
Brennan
H. Clinton
Emanuel
Podesta
B. Clinton
First of all, these are people, not policy decisions. Second, perhaps you can tell us where Obama can find experienced people who know how Washington works if not from the Clinton Administration. Or would you have Obama appoint inexperienced people at a time when this country is about to implode?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:11 amBilbo....about the 100,000:
If you want to make that bet, let me know.
If the U.S. is to maintain ANY presence in Iraq it will take at least that many troops and probably even more mercenaries than there are now.
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 10:12 amkaty Says:
my local daily is just a wealth of mis-information!
I stopped taking my local daily for that very reason. I haven't read a newspaper in 3 years (except at my local coffee shop). Why read a newspaper's slanted view on the world when you can go on the Internet and read what's happening in your world from multiple points of view.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:13 amdammit, I wasn't going to feed the troll, but I couldn't resist.
My apologies in advance.
Hippie_gusher says:
If you could have prevented 911 by pouring a few drops of water up somebodys nose….wouldn’t you do it? Of course you losers wouldn’t because you hate America so much.
I'll one up ya.
If you could have prevented the most horrific terrorist attack on our homeland by actually paying attention to your urgent bulletins (realizing that UBL was preparing attacks using our own airplanes) instead of distancing yourself from the previous administration...wouldn't you have done it? Of course you ditto heads wouldn't because you head is so firmly placed up the rights butt that you'd never actually be able have a coherent thought on your own!
Mucking foron!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:13 amHippie_crusher Says:
If you could have prevented 911 by pouring a few drops of water up somebodys nose….wouldn’t you do it? Of course you losers wouldn’t because you hate America so much.
Are you idiots aware of all the plots KSM gave up when we waterboarded him? Including the attack on the library towers in LA?
January 8th, 2009 at 9:46 am
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KSM gave up no information when we waterboarded him, except what he thought his torturers wanted to hear.
Do you know how we got him to confess to plotting the 9/11 attacks?
We didn't. He bragged about it to a Pakistani newspaper months before he was captured.
Torture doesn't work. Ever. The only America we hate is one that allows its government to torture.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:14 amalphainfinityomega Says:
Bilbo….about the 100,000:
If you want to make that bet, let me know.
If the U.S. is to maintain ANY presence in Iraq it will take at least that many troops and probably even more mercenaries than there are now.
Now why would I want to make a bet with a moron like you. I'm quite sure if I won the bet, you would welsh anyway.
You have your mind made up and no one is going to change it. You remind me of someone who will be history on January 20.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:15 amHey, Democrats! Get a grip, please.
Obama is not president yet; he is assembling his team. He cannot change the way government has operated in the past unless he puts people with whom he disagrees in key positions. Do we want only sycophants a la George Bush?
Obama's finding people with experience, and he is also thinking "outside the box" on appointments -- he is criticized for the "outside" appointments, and he is criticized the the experienced appoinements -- you are demanding the impossible.
Do you all agree with your boss on everything? Can you work for your boss even if you disagree with his policies? Do you think your boss keeps you on because you are a capable and loyal employee even though he knows you disagree with him?
Do you think you are smarter and more savvy with your armchair quarterbacking than Obama - or is this just your place to vent? If you are only venting, fine -- get it out of your system here -- but don't condemn the man even before he gets started.
Obama has a Herculean task ahead of him which the repugs will obstruct and stymie at every opportunity - do Dems really want to contribute to their attempts to cause failure? Or do you want to support the Democratic president and do your part to help him succeed? America needs Obama to succeed.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:20 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I stopped taking my local daily for that very reason. ...when you can go on the Internet
i do that too, bilbo... but i try to keep up with what is making my neighbors so stoopid... and then i let them know about it...
January 8th, 2009 at 10:20 amsometimes...
sometimes it just wears me down...
but, mostly, i'd miss the daily comics...
hear! hear! marie!!!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:23 amBilbo = pollyanna
And speaking of morons, you morons with the "Hussein" in your handle can take it out now.
It was cutesy for a while, but now, not so much.
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 10:24 amkaty Says:
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but, mostly, i’d miss the daily comics…
My kids love to read the daily comics in the newspaper--one of them reads every single comic every day. That has gotten them to also read the newspaper itself. And that is a good reason to keep getting the local daily delivered.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:25 amMy local paper is too hard to take any more - I keep it though for the local coverage. The letters to the editor are infuriatingly stupid; the editorials are way too far to the right; the conservative columnists outnumber the liberal by about 6 to 1. I do my part to write my own letters to the editor, and I try to reply to some of the more coherent but mistaken letters on line, but the same jerks show up every day on every topic -- apparently the edotors doesn't see a problem.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:26 amI read the Chgo. Tribune because of its national prominence, but it, too, makes me want to scream.
The torture guy is charged with homeland security. Does that mean rough treatment for domestic lone wolf's?
And the Black Widow, the Cray computer sucking up communications and running algoritms? Will Mr. Brennan oversee that project, or it contracted out to Booz, Allen, Hamilton?
So many questions and so few answers...
January 8th, 2009 at 10:26 amNow change means "No Change from W."
January 8th, 2009 at 10:28 amwow, alpha infinity omega has just insulted not only bilbo, but missmolly and toasterhead, among other I've forgotten.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:28 amNice.
How long before he attacks Zooey and his warped belief of her "failed coup"?
CZ-1
January 8th, 2009 at 10:28 amThat's how I started reading the paper at about age 6 or 7, because a newspaper was in the house (my dad read it on the street car after work). As long as kids are reading, they will expand their selections in time.
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
First of all, how do you know that they still hold those positions. People change, you know. Second, just because they are in the administration doesn’t mean they will be making policy. Everything Obama has done, especially choosing Panetta for CIA, has shown that he is totally against our policies on torture. So, do you think that anyone on his staff is going to change his mind? Even if he wanted to change his mind on torture (which I am sure he doesn’t), he’s smart enough to know that would be political suicide for him.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am
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Well, which is it? (a) People change or (b) People don't change? I'd like to think that Obama's positions on torture and rendition and indefinite detention of terror suspects are rock-steady and will not change no matter how many DLC democrats and neocons he appoints to his cabinet. I'd like to think that Obama truly is appointing a team of rivals that will argue with him on every policy detail and thus help his administration craft better proposals. I'd like to think that the next four years are going to be a substantial change from the past eight.
However, much as I like Obama and am optimistic for the possibilities of his presidency, I'm cautious. I have to be. I've been in Washington too long and seen too many well-intentioned reformers pounded into conformity by the machine. I'm not trying to tear him down, I'm just looking at the facts. Though some of his picks have indeed been good progressive people with fresh ideas, there are also quite a lot of war hawks, ultra-Zionists, endorsers of torture and rendition, and people with some very shady pasts such as Dennis Blair.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:30 amCorrect me if I'm wrong, but didn't Clinton have opponents in his cabinet? To keep him in check?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:30 amBut it appears AIO would much prefer another 8 years of "If you don't follow the president's line, get out (or be outed)".
I don't!
alphainfinityomega Says:
And speaking of morons, you morons with the “Hussein” in your handle can take it out now.
It was cutesy for a while, but now, not so much.
This is much like the guy in the polyester leisure suit lecturing someone on their fashion sense.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:33 amDo you really need to add "anti-American" in front of al-Sadr? How many pro-American Iraqi Shiite clerics are there? At least everyone has stopped using "Firebrand."
January 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amDocumenting the global warming fraud Thomas Lifson
Global warming theory represents one of the greatest scientific con games in history. The putative intellectual foundations are based on data manipulated to support the desired conclusion, and have been conclusively debunked.
Horse Hockey Climate Scientology: “Getting Rid” of the Medieval Warming Period
The Medieval Warm Period (MWP)—a well-established phenomenon (see for example, Hubert H. Lamb’s Climate History and the Modern World, London, 1995, chapter 10, pp. 159-163)—dated from approximately 1000 to 1300 C.E., and comprised an interval during which global temperature conditions were warmer than those at present. The International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), produced the graph below (Figure 1) in its Second Assessment Report from 1995/1996: the second millennial climate history includes the aforementioned MWP, as well as a subsequent Little Ice Age. As Professor Ross McKitrick notes (in “What is the Hockey-Stick Debate About?”),
What is the ‘Hockey Stick’ Debate About?
The hockey stick debate is about two things. At a technical level it concerns a well-known study that characterized the state of the Earth’s climate over the past thousand years and seemed to prove a recent and unprecedented global warming. I will explain how the study got the results it did, examine some key flaws in the methodology and explain why the conclusions are unsupported by the data.
Exposing even more flaws with the so called “Man Made Global Warming” hoax. All great reads enjoy! When someone questions the global warming hoax the libs finally get a taste of their on vile medicine similar to when they question Christianity or any other faith based religion.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amalphainfinityomega Says:
And speaking of morons, you morons with the “Hussein” in your handle can take it out now.
It was cutesy for a while, but now, not so much.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:24 am
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I'll take it out as soon as Arabic names and words are no longer linked with terrorism and violence in the American mindset.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:35 amIsrael's actions in Gaza go entirely unaddressed by Obama and the democratic congress and as can be seen in Iraq ,through the reaction of al sadr for a call to arms ,is making the American people and in particular their sons and daughters in uniform less safe ! Show some decency Obama and call for an end to the assault on Gaza !
January 8th, 2009 at 10:40 amTime for America and Israel to rejoin the rest of the world !
I like Obama's idea to scrap the homeland security beaurocracy BushitCo created to hide their failures. Just another knee jerk response from a complete jerk.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:40 amDRxJ Says:
How long before he attacks Zooey and his warped belief of her “failed coup”?
Who?.....Oh, her:
The fact that you and a few of the other "plotters" are posting here and not there speaks volumes in itself about the "failed coup".
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 10:40 amThe little white guy afraid of the black guy seems to have an endless supply of stupid pictures...
January 8th, 2009 at 10:42 amFireball Says:
Exposing even more flaws with the so called “Man Made Global Warming” hoax. All great reads enjoy! When someone questions the global warming hoax the libs finally get a taste of their on vile medicine similar to when they question Christianity or any other faith based religion.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:35 am
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Are you serious? You're still trying to use the long-debunked Hockey Stick meme to disprove global warming?
And the comparison between Christianity and climate science is ludicrous. Climate science is based on facts and data. Questioning the facts and data is required. That's what science is all about, testing and retesting hypotheses to improve our understanding.
Christianity is based on a book that's accepted as truth by its believers without any facts or data. That's what faith is - we don't have a problem with that (mostly). We criticize those who believe it's somehow sacreligious to even question this faith.
The fact that you're trying to conflate the two makes you look like a complete moron. But we already knew you were a moron anyway.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:42 amFireball Says:
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Thomas Lifson? Bush bathwater drinker extraordinaire?
"The man so impressed w/ Botch's uh, "pedigree" that he wrote the following nonsense: "President George W. Bush is the very first President to hold a Masters Degree in Business Administration. Even better (or worse, depending on your perspective), his MBA is from Harvard Business School, where postgraduate management training was invented in the early part of the last century, and which to many stands as a symbol of the good, the bad, and the ugly faces of modern management."
Lifson was two-thirds right about that... Botch sure was the bad and the ugly.
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All great reads enjoy! When someone questions the global warming hoax the libs finally get a taste of their on vile medicine similar to when they question Christianity or any other faith based religion.
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So... at the bottom of it all, you're just an offended Christianist. The damned libr'uls DARE to question the validity of Christianity as a religion and you're not gonna take it? Whattafin'joke.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:45 amI've been watching this blog for about 3 months now.
You guys gives facts and hold the right and the Far Left accountable.
Even when the left does a poor job(Nancy Pelosy not Impeaching Bush etc.) you point it out and criticize them.
Every now and then I see a "troll" post (massiah,clintonites,anti-american)
January 8th, 2009 at 10:46 amAnd every time they lose their arguments with "Facts".
The only thing they have is speculating the worse even if their is no reason to.
Oh and as to all the references to working with a boss whose opinions we disagree with ....I'M SELF EMPLOYED !!! the best decision I ever made !
January 8th, 2009 at 10:46 amAIO, did you just change your name.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:48 amwhy?
and ICEMAN is fireball now?
January 8th, 2009 at 10:49 amWTF?
Can't we just use one friggin' posting name?
Welcome aboard 08Dariana!
January 8th, 2009 at 10:49 amHippie_crusher Says:
If you could have prevented 911 by pouring a few drops of water up somebodys nose….wouldn’t you do it?
If you could prevent 911 by shooting an innocent person in the back of the head, wouldn't you do it? Just one person, vs. all those lives? It'd be over quickly, and they'd feel no pain.
But before you pull the trigger, you've got to ask yourself how you know it's going to work. Maybe you're just murdering someone for no reason and the people who told you it would help were wrong, or lying.
Let's take it another step: how about raping a baby? What if that would have stopped 911? Just where do you draw that line? I'm interested to know.
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Hippie_crusher Says:
Of course you losers wouldn’t because you hate America so much.
I submit that it is you who hates America. You hate the liberal principles and philosophical bases upon which it's founded. News flash: that is America. And you're the one who hates it.
Imagine if you could found a new country somewhere that didn't have all these stupid liberal rules protecting criminals and terrorists, and which officially pronounced itself a "Christian nation." Wouldn't you like it there better? Well, all those rules are the essence of America. And you hate them.
Therefore:
You. Hate. America.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:50 amOOPPS !!
Good catch, DR., I'm gonna have to smack the Razor Boy for not logging out after using my computer.
I gave you a recommendation.
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 10:58 amFireball Says:
Exposing even more flaws with the so called “Man Made Global Warming” hoax. All great reads enjoy!
It's so cute how the wingnuts think that the only reason we disagree with them is because we haven't read the pet publications that their extremists have manufactured. I almost don't want to break it to them that we're well aware of their fallacies, and of the goals of the pseudoscientists they've hired to produce those things.
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Fireball Says:
When someone questions the global warming hoax the libs finally get a taste of their on vile medicine similar to when they question Christianity or any other faith based religion.
Real science doesn't have an agenda. It's "let's gather data and see what we find out from it." That's not like any kind of religion at all. Faith-based science (such as the articles you've cited) is not the same thing as science. Neither is religion.
We all inhabit the same space/time continuum. The facts are the same for each of us regardless of what we believe. That is what you fail to understand. In the wingnut universe, each person's belief system controls the facts around them, and the search for truth is nothing more than a popularity contest between contradictory positions. In other words, you don't even believe that there is a such thing as the objective truth of any matter. As such, it's logically impossible for you to persuade anyone who does, of anything.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:59 amHippie_crusher Says:
..."liberal rules protecting criminals and terrorists, and which officially pronounced itself a “Christian nation.”
But, but, but wasn't Jesus crucified as a criminal.
Wasn't it liberal of him to forgive a prostitute and a thief among others?
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 11:04 amjoe cantwell Says:
Hippie_crusher Says:
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there’s an aneurysm
in your future.
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I'd have to say there's also an aneurysm in his past too, as evinced by the limited reasoning abilities and lack of cognitive function, huh?
January 8th, 2009 at 11:05 amBy the way, ditching the word "homeland" entirely would be nice. We didn't use it before BushCo came along.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:19 amjust john Says:
By the way, ditching the word “homeland” entirely would be nice. We didn’t use it before BushCo came along.
Oh yeah. I hate that term. Sounds waaay too much like "Fatherland" (Nazis) or "Motherland" (Soviets). They could just change it to "domestic" as in "the Department of Domestic Security." Sounds nice and professional, and not at all like some Orwellian dictatorial arm.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:41 amRe: Yes PeCan!
Just a quick note- In the spirit of open and accountable government, Ben & Jerry's has decided to donate associated proceeds of the sales of Yes Pecan to Common Cause.
In addition, Ben & Jerry's will donate $1 for each person who signs up with Common Cause on Facebook (up to $10,000) during the month of January.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmElBruce Says:
Oh yeah. I hate that term. Sounds waaay too much like “Fatherland” (Nazis) or “Motherland” (Soviets).
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No doubt, this was NOT an accident on the part of the Botch & Co....
January 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pmPregnant ghetto fight at Chuck E Cheese
This kind of behavior will help the teen pregnancy problem.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pmFireball Says:
This kind of behavior will help the teen pregnancy problem.
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And your point would be... ??
January 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pmFireball Says:
Pregnant ghetto fight at Chuck E Cheese
Perhaps abstinence could have mediated this brawl?
We've been touched by your unique cut-and-paste abilities of stories you probably don't even read. I think we'll somehow manage if you decide to cut the crap out.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pmThat won't be long. He's CompTroller or CT whatever. The old buddy of Mr. President. I've been watching him trying to pass as a progressive wondering what he was up to. I think it kind of shows that all those so called progressives and alleged Hillary supporters who attack Obama already are really right wing trolls just looking to disrupt things.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pmUp to your old trick CT. And you've done so well controlling yourself up until now. Did you run out of your meds?
January 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pmShayne:
With all un-due respect, I am a liberal.
I voted for Hillary in the primary and Obama in the general.
As far as CT or Mr President or any of the other aliases, they are not me, although I used to visit their sites some; sorry if that disappoints you, but you are wrong.
How the bar-maid thing working out for ya'? Just askin'.
¶ AIO
January 8th, 2009 at 2:07 pmFireball Says:
Pregnant ghetto fight at Chuck E Cheese
There has been a huge rash of fights breaking out at Chuck E Cheeses all over the country. The WSJ did a piece on it.
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alphainfinityomega Says:
As far as CT or Mr President or any of the other aliases, they are not me,
So which alias was "using your computer?" We need to know if we're expected to believe you. That's no guarantee that we'll still believe you, but it's a good first step.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pmAll the boys indicating a change in strategy on Gaza say Iran's next.
The Weat speaks with one voice to move populations to a war footing.
To track how Tony Blair gave numerous clues to the Gaza operation, click here.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:26 pm