Kyl Falsely Claims Holder Doesn’t Support Patriot Act, Says He Shouldn’t Be AG If He’s Against Torture
Kyl Falsely Claims Holder Doesn’t Support Patriot Act, Says He Shouldn’t Be AG If He’s Against Torture
Conservatives, led by former Bush adviser Karl Rove, are hoping to use the upcoming confirmation hearing of Eric Holder, President-elect Obama’s nominee for Attorney General, to “lay down a marker” that will show they “they can remain relevant” after their electoral losses. Though GOP opposition is mainly focusing on Holder’s role in the pardon of Marc Rich, Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-AZ) claimed yesterday that Holder’s views on terrorism laws will be an issue too.
Speaking to right-wing radio host Hugh Hewitt, Kyl said that Holder had made “some very unfortunate statements about our interrogation” of terrorists, which made him think “he is not going to be supportive of the Patriot Act [and] the FISA law.” Kyl claimed this may be reason to oppose his nomination:
KYL: I think Eric Holder will have some problems. He has not been able to stand up to his bosses in the past, President Clinton when he wanted to do pardons that I think Holder must have realized were big mistakes but he facilitated. And he’s also made some very unfortunate statements about our interrogation of prisoners, terrorists, and other things that lead me to believe that he is not going to be supportive of the Patriot Act, the FISA law, and others. And if he can’t be supportive of those laws, then he shouldn’t be Attorney General.
Listen here:
Though it’s true that Holder has spoken out strongly against the excesses of the Bush administration, Kyl simply has his facts wrong about Holder’s position on the Patriot Act. In 2004, Holder told CNN that he doesn’t question “the need for the Patriot Act.” At the same time, Holder believes that enforcement of the law needs oversight:
HOLDER: I think in a lot of ways, the problem that I had with the enforcement of the act is that this administration said essentially trust us. We’re not going to involve judges, we’re not going to report to Congress on what we’re doing, and I think our history has shown us that we are best when we operate as people governed by the law as opposed to putting our trust in people and that’s the problem I have.
As for Holder’s views on FISA, he’s on the record opposing President Bush’s bypassing of the law, saying in June that he never thought he “would see that a President would act in direct defiance of Federal law by authorizing warentless NSA surveillance of American citizens.”
Apparently, Holder’s belief that “we are best when we operate as people governed by the law” is reason enough for Kyl to oppose Holder’s nomination to be the nation’s chief enforcer of the law.
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January 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pmKyl: (Holder)’s also made some very unfortunate statements about our interrogation of prisoners, terrorists, and other things that lead me to believe that he is not going to be supportive of the Patriot Act, the FISA law, and others. And if he can’t be supportive of those laws, then he shouldn’t be Attorney General.
Gee, Senator, we on the left thought the exact opposite of almost everyone Bush nominated for the past eight years.
But guess what? You don’t get to decide that shit anymore.
We do.
Now go siddown and shaddup.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:41 pm.
So,
Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) is for enforcing the law when it infringes upon civil and human rights but refuses to press the Constitutional laws that were crafted to protect civil and human Rights because…
… The Constitution is outdated?
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January 9th, 2009 at 6:41 pmHey Kyl, so you’re now saying that America DOES torture!
Geez Kyl, we only want Holder to do what the recent AG weren’t able to do, uphold the rule of law, and not just make shit up!
January 9th, 2009 at 6:41 pm.
Why need laws when we have Statesmen to do the defining for us?
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January 9th, 2009 at 6:43 pmI think this is a great talking point for the Republican party, and they should push it to – nay, beyond – the limit. It spins a lot of past negatives into a positive. For example, it’s not a failure of the Bush administration to have appointed incompetents and criminals to the DoJ; it is in fact an important policy decision to do precisely that.
Enforcement of the rule of law is just a bunch of liberal claptrap, and the GOP stands firmly against it. Best of luck with that!
January 9th, 2009 at 6:44 pmUuuuuuuh SO WHAT! Shouldn’t that be a good thing if he doesn’t agree with the patriot act?
January 9th, 2009 at 6:45 pmSo now they’re going to block nominees who are against torture? How very American.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:45 pmUmmm, excuse me Kyl the Vile, but only a small portion of Americans support the Patriot Act.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:45 pmThe right side simply wants to bury this country. There is no other sane way to describe their political goals. Theirs is a world where – because of their own obstruction – the worse the condition of this nation, the better they believe their chances of re-gaining power in ‘10 or ‘12. How about that as a political goal: the destruction of their very own country – as a way to differentiate themselves from the ‘libruls’.
It reminds me of the petulant little child who, upon hearing he has to share his toys, simply wrecks all his toys so that he DOESN’T have to share them. Kyl is a traitor.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:45 pmRepukes are a sick lot, they are the ones who like to pull the wings off flys, salt slugs, burn ants, blowup frogs, torture for fun…. truly conservative values.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:46 pmIt doesn’t matter what Eric Holder thinks about Torture, President Obama is against it so that will be the United States position. Holder wont have to prosecute any Bush appointees or staff who committed torture the other countries will bring charges after they see the condition of the Gitmo prisoners. Even a pardon from Bush wont save them from an International Trial. Even some of those Bush criminals left in place will be see they will have to lawyer up.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:47 pmHere’s what the George Bush jackboot licking Peggy Noonan is now saying:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/09/peggy-noonan-suddenly-decides-that-hero-worshipping-presidents-is-un-american/
Peggy meet Kyl, Kyl Peggy.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:48 pmRest assured, ElBruce; they WILL push this to the limit, and since they’re Republicans, they’ll push it beyond.
Maybe they hope to obscure their current rep as the Party of White Folks by becoming known even more thoroughly as the Party of Torture. Hey, it wouldn’t be any crazier than any of their other political strategies…
January 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pmThe modern GOP is, at best, a regional party. They earned that by making sure everybody understood where their allegiances were: Themselves and their own power. Because their entire make up is based soley on gaining power, they can never represent anyone but their own parochial interests.
How about the southern Senators (McConnell, et al) demanding that the US citizens employed by the big 3 auto makers reduce their wages as a condition of any bailout money – after giving $1 trillion away to Wall Street (no questons asked).
January 9th, 2009 at 6:55 pmI’m OK with Holder supporting the USA PATRIOT Act as long as it’s the law. But I sure hope he’s in favor of repeal! Also, there’s no requirement for the government to do all the stuff the Act lets them do, so let’s not.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:56 pmKYL: “I think Eric Holder will have some problems. He has not been able to stand up to his bosses…”
Guffaw……
Compared to the last 3 AGs whose sole acts have been to lie down before their boss?
January 9th, 2009 at 7:00 pmIt seems like the thugs are really afraid of Holder. My be because they are all so guilty.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:01 pmAs someone mentioned in an earlier thread this has the smell of Rove all over it. My guess is Rove told people like Kyl that if Rove goes done he is taking them with him. Come on Holder. Fry up these scumballs.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:06 pmHey kyle dont forget to bring up terry schivo while your at it ok??
January 9th, 2009 at 7:09 pmCompared to the last 3 AGs whose sole acts have been to lie down before their boss?
Oh, I thought they were kneeling down.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pmKyl Falsely Claims Holder (…) Shouldn’t Be AG If He’s Against Torture»
– - Obama says we will abide by the Geneva Conventions and will not torture. As his AG, Holder will follow the president’s lead. Kyl is saying Obama shouldn’t be president. Suck it, Righties.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pmSenator Kyl does not seem to be upholding his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to do so without mental reservation or purpose of evasion. Why does he not want the new AG to support the Constitution? Does he have something to hide?
January 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pmCaption Contest:
“Mr. Holder, would support crushing a ten-year-old’s testicles to get information out of his parents? Because I’m not sure I can support you if you won’t.”
January 9th, 2009 at 7:16 pm.
Torture Prosecutor Tops 70,000 Questions for Obama on Change.Gov
http://www.thenation.com/ blogs/ state_of_change/ 395205/ torture_prosecutor_tops_70_000_questions_for_obama_on_change_gov
… Keep ‘em coming people!
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January 9th, 2009 at 7:24 pm.
Report Says White House Rejected All Advice from Government Agencies That Torture Was Illegal
REPORT NAMES 30 BUSH OFFICIALS COMPLICIT IN TORTURE
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/38812
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January 9th, 2009 at 7:31 pmKyl is proof, that we need to get rid of more of these RepubliCon traitors, with Kyl as the case in point.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:32 pmCaption Contest: “Mr Holder, I should inform you that I have an electrode inserted up my ass right now. It’s not bad at all, I don’t know what all the fuss is about.”
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LiberalVoter Says:
As someone mentioned in an earlier thread this has the smell of Rove all over it.
Some time ago Rove explicitly stated that the R’s should focus on blocking Holder. Then they started asking for more time and requesting information related to him about a number of utterly ridiculous old issues. So yeah, they’re basically following the orders of a de facto shadow government headed by Karl, in which he transmits his instructions to them through FAUX News. It would be scary if they actually had any power, or weren’t racing to the bottom in terms of irrelevancy.
Me, I’m looking forward to the Holder show. I hope he beats those scumbags like they’re Mike Tyson’s girlfriend.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:39 pmLush! No karaoke tonight?
January 9th, 2009 at 7:40 pmIt was leveled on Nov. 4th.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:45 pmWhen did Gonzales, or Mukasey, ever stand up to their boss Dubya?
January 9th, 2009 at 7:55 pmThe Senator is for torture, since he of course couldn’t beat any person physically unless three soldiers had his back.
Then of course the Senator has to back torture because those videos and pictures are better than anything on YouTube to sicko Republicans.
It’s funny how macho and tough a bunch of scrawny white guys act when they can’t throw a punch or even shoot straight, even while owning hand guns and rifles for years on end.
But they’ll save us all from those “super-scary” colored folks and hippie do-gooders who want to raise those awful, four letter word envoking taxes! As long as we don’t question what THEY do…because THEY always know best.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pmLet’s not torture people. The moral implications not withstanding, it’s just not becoming of a super power.
Let’s take the hollywood out of government, and give it back reality.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:59 pmThe extraction of information is best left to other country’s and their means in which it will be done properly and because of the exigent circumstance by which they were captured. -=Lush=-
Information is not something that can be extracted like blood. The problem with your argument is that people will agree to or sign anything if tortured leading to bad information no matter the country that trys to extract it.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:59 pmAshcroft stood up to his boss and it got him canned.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:00 pmSo Holder may not support the patriot act. Good for him if he doesn’t. I was hoping the days of not listening to any Republicans opinion on anything was here. Who cares what Kyl thinks.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:12 pmKyl is indicative of what is wrong with republican politicians; he will not make it past his next re-election campaign. Americans have jettisoned people like Bush, Cheney, McCain, Gonzales, Delay and Kyl. Get on board John or get out of the way.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:15 pmWhat gets me is that Kyl wants loyalty if its a republican but dissent if its a democrat.
Make up your mind Kyl
January 9th, 2009 at 8:17 pmApe-Man Says:
Let’s not torture people.
Great – I go blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah , and Ape-Man wins the thread in four words or less.
Grr!
January 9th, 2009 at 8:19 pmPerhaps Kyl is trying to claim McSpin’s title of “The Stupidest, Craziest, and Most Dishonest, Senator from Arizona” for his very own?
January 9th, 2009 at 8:25 pmLushInterior Says:
I completely agree [...] … its only fair.
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Nice straw man, Lushy. Come up w/ a totally absurd position, then use it as an excuse to bash us, as though this is somehow something we all ascribe to and therefore deserve to be abused over.
I’ll bet you HATED leaving middle school, huh? Prolly last time you were actually happy, ya know, picking on smaller children… that sort of thing.
Let’s revisit this thing about your son. Any proof he’s actually YOUR son?
Just asking.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:31 pm“Torture”, a word that no longer has meaning due to the myriad of definitions.
“Ideology free” is just vacuous.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:32 pmUm, TRoS? In order for the stupid troll to leave middle school it would have had to make it too middle school. I’ve seen nothing to suggest it ever achieved such an important educational milestone.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:37 pmWell Lush,
January 9th, 2009 at 8:38 pmAre you for committing war crimes?
LushInterior Says:
What is obvious is that you are an ignorant moronic troll how enjoys humiliating yourself by showing how pathetic and stupid you are. You THINK you are clever but you arent. You are just pathetic and sad. Satire should not be attempted by people as stupid as you. You come off like a little retarded child. Go back to your bridge now and let the adults talk
January 9th, 2009 at 8:39 pmPeople who support torture do not belong in Government at ANY LEVEL as they havent got the requisite decency to even qualify as human beings
January 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pmpete Says:
Um, TRoS? In order for the stupid troll to leave middle school it would have had to make it too middle school. I’ve seen nothing to suggest it ever achieved such an important educational milestone.
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Hmmm…
***tap… tap… tap…***
Good point. I tink yer rihgt, pete.
Come to think of it, Lushy prolly was home schooled, ta boot.
Or, as he’d say… hum skooled…
Good gawd… do you think his owm Mummy promoted him up, just to get him out of the house, er… basement?
January 9th, 2009 at 8:47 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
No I think it is STILL in mommys basement
January 9th, 2009 at 9:05 pmI’m still trying to figure out what the rabid anti-American Republicans in the U.S. Senate have against Eric Holder.
Is it just because he’s a Democrat or because he’s a black Democrat, as is Barack Obama, the one who wants Mr. Holder as his administration’s Attorney General?
Is is because Eric Holder is a “law and order” Democrat who has indicated he will honor his oath to the U.S. Constitution and follow the “rule of law,” unlike his two immediate Republican scumbag predecessors, Alberto Gonzales and Michael Mukasey?
Is it because Senate Republicans are afraid that an Attorney General Eric Holder will seek to find out all that he can about the U.S. Attorney firing scandal, leaving no stone unturned, as well as conducting a thorough review of criminal Republican activities throughout our federal government over the past eight years?
Or is it because an Attorney General Eric Holder, being a black Democrat, will reinstitute the mandate and mission of the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Justice Department, rooting out and reversing all the racist Republicans and their racist policies?
In other words, Sen. Kyl is just throwing up a smokescreen to hide the real Republican motive for trying to sabotage Obama’s appointment of Eric Holder as our nation’s next Attorney General…especially when Sen. Kyl resorts to using deceitful Faux News tactics by misrepresenting Mr. Holder’s position on issues. Sen. Kyl…what a pig.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:32 pmSen. Kill,
Please put into the Congressional Record your undying support for torture. State it clearly and without equivocation.
THEN WE SHIP YOUR A$$ OFF TO THE HAGUE WITH BOTCH AND DICK(HEAD)….FOR WAR CRIMES!! YOU STUPID PHUCK!
January 9th, 2009 at 9:34 pmGOP are still scratching their head as to “WHY” they lost an election…
January 9th, 2009 at 9:42 pmXisithrus Says:
Ashcroft stood up to his boss and it got him canned.
Link please? Hadn’t heard of Ashcroft standing up to anything.
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Oh, did LushInterior say something? Ah, sarcasm or something like it. Let’s see here…
LushInterior Says:
I completely agree with the Clinton, Panetta, Holder position. Shut down Gitmo, NSA and gut the CIA.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Obama intends to shut down Gitmo.
He’s putting Panetta in charge of the CIA, but keeping more people than would make the Left comfortable.
Gut the NSA? Gimme a link.
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LushInterior Says:
It is obvious that the US entities cannot deal with captured enemy combatants at any level.
Agreed. The designation is meaningless.
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LushInterior Says:
The extraction of information is best left to other country’s and their means in which it will be done properly and because of the exigent circumstance by which they were captured.
Provided that those countries do not torture, a fair international jurisdictional process should be followed.
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LushInterior Says:
In this the 21st century the playing field must be leveled…….its only fair.
Um… OK. I really have no idea what the relevance of that statement is to torture.
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Honestly Lush, please come back and defend torture again. That attempt was halfhearted at best; we know you can do better than that. If we’re going to slap you around, your cheeks should at least be plump enough to bother.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:44 pm49
Unfortunatly, Congress remains full of enablers…
January 9th, 2009 at 9:44 pm47
Please, we don’t want FACISTS in South America either! It took us a long time to fight off the one the US placed on our democracies. At the moment we are trying to get rid of Uribe too!
January 9th, 2009 at 9:47 pmXisithrus Says too Lush:
The problem with your argument is that people will agree too or sign anything if tortured leading too bad information no matter the country that trys too extract it.
And historians have been telling this too us since at least World War Too.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:56 pmI heard that Lush had sex with his teacher. But that’s not the worst part.
No, what’s the worst part?
He’s home-skooled!!
January 9th, 2009 at 9:58 pmsacopenapa Says:
GOP are still scratching their head as to “WHY” they lost an election…
saco, have you heard they done made themselves a website called “http://www.howobamagotelected.com/”
January 9th, 2009 at 10:05 pmIt says because all Obama voters are stoopid. Not intellygent like Focks viewers.
ElBruce Says:
Xisithrus Says:
Ashcroft stood up to his boss and it got him canned.
Link please? Hadn’t heard of Ashcroft standing up to anything.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pmIglesias: Ashcroft Was ‘Pushed Out’ Because He ‘Refused To Sign Off On The Warrantless Wiretaps’»
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/iglesias-ashcroft/
I heard that Lush had sex with his teacher. But that’s not the worst part.
No, what’s the worst part?
He’s home-skooled!!
Thats pretty funny, Lush aside even
January 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pmAnd historians have been telling this too us since at least World War Too.
You doont say
heh
January 9th, 2009 at 10:11 pmTorture doesn’t produce reliable intellegence, but it is a fantastic boost for fascism.
Warrantless Wire-Tapping, and Internet Access Control would be a fantastic boost for fascism too. Plus they own the MSM already so they have brainwashing and propaganda galore.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:28 pmBut you need torture to really bring it home and huddle the masses.
Xisithrus Says:
Iglesias: Ashcroft Was ‘Pushed Out’ Because He ‘Refused To Sign Off On The Warrantless Wiretaps’»
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/iglesias-ashcroft/
Why, thank you. That’s something I think more people should see. As much as possible.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:29 pmIt WOULD be funny if it wasn’t TRUE.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:34 pmOh they’ll piss and moan but he’ll be appointed.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:39 pmLet me see if I get this right. Kyl is saying that Holder is in favor of upholding the law (banning torture) therefore he should not be confirmed as the Attorney General; the chief law enforcement officer in the federal government. What would Kyl do, bring back Alberto Gonzales?
January 9th, 2009 at 11:38 pmDallasNE Says:
Let me see if I get this right. Kyl is saying that Holder is in favor of upholding the law (banning torture) therefore he should not be confirmed as the Attorney General; the chief law enforcement officer in the federal government.
Apparently, Kyl is of the opinion that the PATRIOT act authorizes and/or mandates torture. It does not. As it turns out, a surprisingly small number of U.S. Senators have any idea what the laws they’ve passed actually say.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:49 pmWhat a stupid bastard you are Senator Kyl. I suggest bamboo shoots under your fingernails and a baseball bat up your anal pore. Then lets see what you think of torture.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:52 pmKyl better learn his place before Flippy McSpin sends his women to deal with him.
http://totallylookslike.com/2008/08/01/cindy-mccain/
January 10th, 2009 at 12:59 amI found this text while surfing…
Worth having a look!
http://www.rense.com/general80/doa.htm
January 10th, 2009 at 1:00 amWell, if you’re going to torture people who terrorize other people why not start with proven terrorists… Blackwater.
January 10th, 2009 at 1:05 amHolder doesn’t support the “Patriot Act”?
January 10th, 2009 at 1:35 amIf only. Nothing would please me more than to see
that oxymornic mistake repealed, along with “Clear
Skies”,”Healthy Forests” and NCLB.
Sustainable fisheries?
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I’m as unpatriotic as it gets, because I run a site that saves people money.
Republicans hate me!
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January 10th, 2009 at 2:19 amReturn of the Privacy Center?
January 10th, 2009 at 2:21 amYellow fin tuna
January 10th, 2009 at 2:32 am.
How the U.S. Army’s Field Manual Codified Torture — and Still Does
Buried in Appendix M of the Army Field Manual, the Guantanamo virus is spreading, and eradicating it will require all of us to spread the word.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/117807/how_the_u.s._army’s_field_manual_codified_torture_–_and_still_does?page=1
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January 10th, 2009 at 2:39 amBuckie Boy:
January 10th, 2009 at 2:47 amOdd you should say that as just moments ago I threw three tail cut pieces of sushi grade into my trash can… I am bummed that I didn’t get to it in time…
Unfortunatly the reality is that the USA has used torture since WWII. I’m from South America. The dictators placed by the US during the 60’s, 70’s up to the 80’s, they all have been trained in the ‘School of the Americas’ on techniques of Torture. Thousands were tortured by CIA agents in South America during operation CONDOR.
With Bush administration it was not the ‘gloves’ that came out. It was the facade of ‘Democracy promoters’, the image, I must add, the fabricated image of USA as a source of goodness. I’m not talking about the American people, I’m talking about governments! After all, we are all Americans!
YouTube:
“The War on Democracy” John Pilger
“The Panama deception”
And any information on Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay…
In their photo op they say ‘Torture is an abomination’, but behind the people, they promote and finace the oposite.
January 10th, 2009 at 3:06 amFrance is no inocent in that History eitheir… and yet, their national anthom I don’t know how to spell it! Hino) they talk about equality, fraternity and liberty… Algeria remembers well la egalite’, fraternite’ et liberte’ francaise.
The Iraqui Hero, Muntazir Al-Zaidi expressed so well the joy of US’s (Government) democracy and freedom. He appeared with broken ribbs and terrible brusies few hours later the puppet government of Iraq ‘interrogated’ him…
In 1994, President Bil Clinton signed into law the Torture Victims Relief Act:
http://www.cvt.org/main.php/Advocacy/TortureVictimsReliefAct
What a difference a stolen election makes.
January 10th, 2009 at 5:30 amAnd Jon Kyl is to be listened to why?? He and his party were decimated in the most recent elections. Pray tell why this puke’s opinions matter one goddamn whit?
Just saying …
January 10th, 2009 at 7:34 amAmericans are cleaning house for a better nation and a better world and Kyl will be next.
Bush, Cheney and others who broke the law while bring our nation to its moral, ethical and financial knees should be prosecuted for their crimes. What I would like to see is that some of their co-conspirators such as Specter and Kyl jailed as well.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:00 amKyl and his brown shirt friends are cowards..and Un-American in his philosophy towards the Patriot act.
January 10th, 2009 at 9:29 amThere are valid reasons to oppose Holder ( ultimately, I think he’s a mistake), but leave it to wingers like Kyl to remind us of reasons the Senate should uphold his nomination.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
January 10th, 2009 at 9:53 amAnd Jon Kyl is to be listened to why?? He and his party were decimated in the most recent elections.
They are like Arthur in the Upper Class Twit of the Year Contest.
“He doesn’t know when he’s beaten.
January 10th, 2009 at 10:04 amHe doesn’t know when he’s winning, either.
He has no sort of sensory aparatus whatsoever.
Bad luck, Arthur.”
It really is getting ridiculous. In the past month an increasing number of people are actually coming out in public forums and baldly stating…”yeah, I’ve been screwing up and intend to continue to screw up…so what?” or words to that effect.
Sun spots? Excess cosmic radiation? Too much fluoride in the water? Has anyone checked the status of the lemmings lately? Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of self incrimination on national TV but it is sort of spooky as to why they think no one will notice.
January 10th, 2009 at 11:13 amSo now they’re going to block nominees who are against torture? How very American.
January 10th, 2009 at 11:50 amI wonder what some of these good ole boys and girls would say if they were taken off the plane to Dubai and rendered extraordinarily to some cozy little cell under charges of war crimes? Kept incommunicado and ‘creatively interrogated’ until they fessed up. I wonder how loud they would be screaming for a lawyer and their rights?
Good news is, we would probably never know. Bad news is it wouldn’t happen.
Would it?
January 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pmI have a great idea: Let us rid ourselves of all the fascist pigs who supported torture, the Patriot Act, Iraq War, Cheney, and the Bush Crime Family…that would include Kyl the nazi pig.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThis is just payback from the wingnuts on the reichwing for the Democratic Senators pointing out the crimes of Ashcroft and Gonzalez. How dare they question W appointees.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pmLike I said, let’s put this Arizona RepubliCon A$$wipe in Gitmo.
January 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pmhttp://www.pubrecord.org/torture/607-obamas-doj-wont-pursue-bush-officials-over-torture-policy-aides-say.html
Obama’s DOJ Won’t Pursue Bush Officials Over Torture Policy, Aides Say
January 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pmthe only reason kyl agreed to be minority whip was because he thought it meant he could wip minorities. kyl is a fascist
January 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pmsacopenapa Says:
Unfortunatly the reality is that the USA has used torture since WWII. I’m from South America. The dictators placed by the US during the 60’s, 70’s up to the 80’s, they all have been trained in the ‘School of the Americas’ on techniques of Torture. Thousands were tortured by CIA agents in South America during operation CONDOR.
Definitely worth a reminder, thanks. Now that we’ve moved from sponsoring fascists to trying to take on fascist policies ourselves, we can have an open discussion about it and hopefully put a stop to all forms of involvement in state-sponsored-terror.
January 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pmAny body in the market for a slightly used and oft confused US senator from AZ. He’s bought and paid for but is clueless about the Constitution so he may need an overhaul.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:08 amWe in AZ would like to trade up to a more progressive model.
Kyl has always been the bootlicking lockstepper that he still is. At least he’s consistent.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:01 pmLush you are ignorant and pathetic. Stare Decis concerns judicial decisions it says the court should stand by precedent it has ZERO to do with the Patriot act you snivelling moron.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:27 pm