Bush 41 chokes up over Bush 43’s legacy.
By on Jan 11th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Bush 41 chokes up over Bush 43’s legacy.
In “an unprecedented joint interview” of both Bush presidents, Fox News Sunday guest anchor Brit Hume asked George H.W. Bush (”Bush 41″) how he regards his son’s presidency. “Very positively,” the elder Bush said. “Why?” asked Hume. Bush then began choking up as he responded, “Well, because he can make a tough decision and stay with it. I mean, he’s been tested unlike any other president — with this 9/11. So he passed the test.” Watch it:
Bush 43 then stepped in and said his father was also going to “be judged great.” He was “almost too humble to be president,” the younger Bush said of his father. “And when history finally gets objective, they will be able to say a lot of positive things about George Bush.”
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Three cheers for greed and violence! Hallmarks of the Bush years.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:16 pmNote to Bushes, history is a fickle lady.
Bi*ch set Marion Barry up too.
Too humble to be President? Puhleez. George HW Bush has been fighting off the “whimp” label all his life.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:17 pmWatched it & vomited.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:17 pmAnd now the Child Bush can do as his father and rake in millions of overseas swindled dollars promoting Sun Myung Moon’s “messianic” mission.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:20 pmSr. was head of the CIA when JFK was assasinated and Jr. watched 9/11 agape. Have these two ever really prevented anything?
January 11th, 2009 at 12:20 pmIf Sr. is such a hero why did Jr. seal all documents relating to his term as VP and President?
January 11th, 2009 at 12:20 pmYeah, I’d cry, too, if my son had done as much damage to this country and it’s reputation around the world as the Boy King GW has.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pmHoover’s dad thought he did a good job, too.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:22 pmwhat a circle jerk!
January 11th, 2009 at 12:23 pmBush’s parents still love him? Umm, duh?
January 11th, 2009 at 12:24 pmI don’t have to wait for history! I can think of LOTS of good things to say about George W. Bush.
For example — as far as I know, he never ONCE wet his pants while in a meeting at 10 Downing Street.
He never, to my knowledge, vomited on a Japanese prime minister, making his presidency a vast improvement over his father’s.
I’m fairly confident he never ONCE so much as picked his nose during a press conference or State of the Union address.
Oh, yeah — I can think of LOTS AND LOTS of nice things to say.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:25 pmAnd when history finally gets objective, they will be able to say a lot of positive things about George Bush.”
Eight years, and he’s still the petulant child he ever was.
His library will be another reality-denying bubble, just as his failed terms.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:29 pm“Very positively,” the elder Bush said. “Why?” asked Hume. Bush then began choking up as he responded, “Well, because he can make a tough decision and stay with it. I mean, he’s been tested unlike any other president — with this 9/11. So he passed the test.”
WRONG! He did not “pass” the “test” of 9/11. He failed miserably. It was the terrorists who succeeded that day, not Bush.
The right-wing keeps acting as if George W. Bush’s presidency started on Sep 12, 2001. They keep talking about how he’s kept us safe ever since, but completely gloss over the very obvious fact that he did not keep us safe on that day! They can’t give him credit for what’s happened since if they won’t assign responsibility to him for what happened before.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:30 pmThey say bullies are created by parents who heap praise on a child when he does nothing positive to deserve it.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:30 pmBoy, it is just so unfair that the Biushes have to wait for History to get around to being “objective”.
History just luvvvvvved Bill Clinton — and he got a blow job!
It’s just so UNFAIR.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:30 pmOh, yeah — I can think of LOTS AND LOTS of nice things to say.
He can duck shoes thrown at his head with surprising alacrity.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:31 pmBush then began choking up as he responded,
– - Bush #41 blubbers as easily as our boy Boehner. For you sports types, the sporting world equivalent is football coach Dick Vermeil.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:31 pmI wrote an email to FoxSnooze telling them what an incredible waste of time that sycophantic interview was. Who cares what either of these morons thinks? We have waited nearly eight years for GDumbya to exit the Oval Office. Who needs to be assaulted by his legacy-polishing cr*pola at this late date?
Obama will be a breath of fresh air on January 20th. I hope that GDumbya, Poppy Bu$h and the rest of their clan fade into obscurity quickly. They have been a disaster for this country.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pmWith apologies to Paul Simon:
“I jerk you, you jerk me,
January 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pmwe both jerk so easily
So easily to see it grow
I suck you and that’s all I know”
I hope that any history of the Bush dynasty starts with Prescott Bush’s conviction for his work with the Nazis.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pmJon Swift has a great post about this. To wit:
After Hurricane Katrina President Bush kept our cities safe.
In the three years and a half years since Hurricane Katrina not a single American city has been destroyed or partially destroyed.
After the October 2008 stock market correction there have been no Great Depression
After the District Attorney firing scandal, the outing of Valerie Plame and other scandals, President Bush restored integrity to government.
… you get the idea.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pmI think George is the opposite of that, Shayne. He’s always been the most incompetent of the Bush brothers, with Neal running a sexually-perverted second. His parents might have initially had high hopes, but his boob-ish nature was too hard to ignore. A cheerleader, without the guts to take a hit – unless it was through a rolled-up sawbuck.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pmIf Sr. is such a hero why did Jr. seal all documents relating to his term as VP and President?
Because Ronald Reagan Sold Weapons to Terrorists and Lied about it to the American People on National TV, while George H.W. Bush claimed he was “Out of the Loop”.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:35 pmHe choked up because he knows 43 is the stupidest muddafugga on the face of the planet, and his ass is ALSO on the line to promoting and NOT stopping 43rd’s cabal to overthrow the United States Of America.
HANG BOTH OF THE FUKING PUKES.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:36 pmGIGO:
The Bush Years.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:38 pmNote to self:
January 11th, 2009 at 12:38 pmMake sure we have enough steel reinforced rope to hang the fat beotch babs
One takeaway from this gawdawful Fixed News Bush interview-
These two couldn’t have brought the country to its knees by their “leadership” if they didn’t think they were mutually the swellest thing evah.
Go to hell, Bush 41 & 43. We did, & we’re still in your hell.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:38 pmI would have a new respect for the citizenry of the U.S. if 3 million people started chating on Jan 20, 2009 in Washington D.C.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:38 pmHANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
HANG BUSH!
barfly,
January 11th, 2009 at 12:41 pmThe library will be up in flames within 12 months of its opening.
Sr. and his evil cabal are responsible for putting Jr. in office in the first place. They wanted this puppet just like they wanted McCain/Palin who they knew they could manipulate without any problems. Are they trying to improve their legacies or covering their a$$es?
January 11th, 2009 at 12:41 pmShayne Says:
I hope that any history of the Bush dynasty starts with Prescott Bush’s conviction for his work with the Nazis.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I believe he was convicted and sentenced to serve time in the United States Senate.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:42 pmLife must be nice on Fantasy Island, where those two live…
January 11th, 2009 at 12:43 pmAlecto, what time do you want to start chanting?
January 11th, 2009 at 12:43 pmSaddam did what that was worse than W? Someone should explain this to me. Killing innocents is killing innocents.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pmShayne Says:
They say bullies are created by parents who heap praise on a child when he does nothing positive to deserve it.
Agreed !!
I’m sure you know from personal experience.
¶ AIO
January 11th, 2009 at 12:45 pmBush will be a pariah, in all but the most-corrupt social-circles.
He’ll be a good fit in Dallas.
He’d better hope his legacy improves before his secret-service protection runs out…
January 11th, 2009 at 12:45 pmHey Sybil, you’re Razor_Boy today, remember? Unless you want to go back to being hippie_crusher. That was a big success.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pmHistory may very well be kind to Los Arbustos. History is written by the victors. There is nothing on the horizon which persuades me that the long-term socio-political track toward increased supervision, surveillance, corporatism, curtailment of liberties, evasion of accountability, militaristic adventurism, and predatory kapitalism has been in any measurable, or even in any detectable, way. If this proves to be the eventual trajectory, Bush/Cheney may indeed come to be revered–by the “base,” certainly–as heroes for actually sealing the deal, setting us firmly upon the course away from which it was already too late to diverge.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pmHistory is written by the victors.
Then we’d better learn chinese.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:52 pmyes we all have been chocked up for eight years!
January 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pmtokin librul Says: History may very well be kind to Los Arbustos. History is written by the victors.
Thanks to authors like Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and James Loewen, the people are now getting a voice in the annals of history…
January 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pmThe 4000 plus soldiers who died based on lies and the 1 million Iraq men/woman/children who were killed when only 6 of 57 bombs it Iraq, will all cheer of their lives gone by George W. Bush’s greed. Millions of Americans who have lost their homes, jobs and life savings are really pleased with George W. Bush’s Policies.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pmThis stage proformance is bull and Daddy Bush profitted billions of taxpayers dollars with his idiot son as President. When the Caryle Group closed shop and it’s meembers Bin Laden Family, Bush Family and CEO’s plus other Rich Investors with Cheney representing Halliburton the amount of profit will be seen in the US debt of Trillions. History will tell the truth and both Bush Presidents will been seen as corrupt and Evil as was Prscott Bush who got his wealth from Hitler and even plotted to assassinate FDR. Daddy Bush lost to Bill Clinton because Daddy Bush was a liar and crook. His son will be seen not only as Evil in the US but all over the world. Many countries are already having Museum of the Horror of the pass 8 years of the US President who almost brought down the World.
All those words that say nothing. Were you actually trying to make a point?
January 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pmOh, yeah — I can think of LOTS AND LOTS of nice things to say.
He can duck shoes thrown at his head with surprising alacrity.
And don’t forget – he went toe to toe with a pretzel, and whupped that pretzel’s *ss!
January 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pmDead or Alive:
Osama bin Laden.
Or the third option…
January 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pmWhen history finally gets objective? He means manipulated. This denotes a since of powerlessness on his part. Booyah. Call Joe the Plumber, the toilets stopped up.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pmthey will be able to say a lot of positive things about George Bush.”
Being the Worst President in History is Positive?
Being a WAR CRIMINAL is Positive?
Black is white.
War is peace.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pmbarfly Says:
Dead or Alive:
Osama bin Laden.
Or the third option…
Option 3: Exploitation.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pmShayne Says:
All those words that say nothing. Were you actually trying to make a point?
….and you were saying exactly what about being a bully?
Time to ignore you and kick back with R_B and the ladies and watch some football.
Go Eagles !!
Go Chargers !!
¶ AIO
January 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pmTHE BUSHES ARE CRIMINALLY INSANE> ROVE AND CHENEY MADE ALL BUSHES DECISIONS AND THOSE DECISIONS WERE ALL MADE FOR THE NEO CON AGENDA OF POWER GREED AND THE PERMANATE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY
January 11th, 2009 at 1:12 pmThe interview was excellent and showed class. Both said excellent things about Obama and his decission making and how they support him and want the country to unite around our new leader.
As for you classes fools on here that can still spew ilk, it just shows how unclassy you are and how you are still looking to drive a wedge between Americans…
Now I did not agree with all of their decissions, but I beleive they did what they both thought was best for the country and not themselves.
So lets get out of the kindergarden class shall we and be adults here and post like an educated person and NOT short sighted whiny children…
January 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pmFunny how so many talk smack and untruths about the war, YET if it was a Democrat in office they would have no problem with the low numbers of injured compared to other wars…
I hear nothing about Bush’s humanitarian efforts in Africa that have helped saved MILLIONS of people from Aids and other diseases…
January 11th, 2009 at 1:25 pmAh, yes… that favorite wingnut debate tactic; the unassailable truth of their own assumptions.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pmRove (Bush’s Brain) is the champion of wedge issues. The GOP has ripped this country into pieces and now they try and blame True Patriots that are trying to save our failing nation with being partisan. That’s rich. Dry your F-ing tears on some of your War Profiteering.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pmWhy don’t they drag (no pun intended) Babs out to tell us we are from the underclass and are making out just fine.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:33 pmReaganLogan,
americans have turned their
backs on bush and nazism.
you’re just going to have to
get over it.
**
good luck,
:)
January 11th, 2009 at 1:34 pmReally?
“be adults here and post like an educated person”?
Don’t most “educated persons” instinctively know that when you’re addressing a group in one phrase, you don’t suddenly shift to singular in the next? And THEN shift back again to plural?
Maybe that’s just me.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:36 pmWow, they could write a book on the family psychodynamics of the Bushes. Oh, wait, they DID: “Bush on the Couch,” by Justin Frank.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:38 pmCareful, Ralph… you’re assuming ReagonLogan can actually “comprehend” and “reason”. How many times have I told you…
January 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pmAgain, amazing how some here have turned a interview that no ills of any other political party have people come in and talk ill of them.
Shows a total lack of class and as for nazism? ha it is obvious some have no clue what nazism was about much less real history.
Really Ralph, were in english class now? just another example of people getting off the topic at hand to take away from what was really stated.
I only see mud slinging coming from the left, the right has not thrown any mud (from this administration anyway)
January 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pmReaganLogan,
you don’t have to be a nazi.
america has rejected the bush/nazi
axis of evil. come join us. be a real american.
*
you can do it!
**
January 11th, 2009 at 1:44 pmAgain, amazing how some here have turned a interview that no ills of any other political party have people come in and talk ill of them.
***
rl,
read that back to yourself.
does it sound correct?
does it make sense?
try again. we’ll wait.
*
January 11th, 2009 at 1:46 pmDubya will be our very own Pinochet. May his tears and all the blood he has spilled trickle down to the depths of hell for Raygun to drown in.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:48 pmdid anyone actually watch this two man bush circle jerk?
my next question is: why?
January 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pmReaganLogan Says:
I only see mud slinging coming from the left, the right has not thrown any mud
(from this administration anyway)
__________
Huh??? Have you been in a self-induced coma the last 8 years?
BTW, your comment makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. No wonder you still approve of Botch.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go thru life, son.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
did anyone actually watch this two man bush circle jerk?
my next question is: why?
*
ReaganLogan.
(he participated at home)
+
January 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm“ReaganLogan.
(he participated at home)”
probably licked the scree at the end of it too.
January 11th, 2009 at 1:58 pm*screen
January 11th, 2009 at 1:59 pmHe’s been licking the scree on the sides of MT. Neocon.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:01 pmLook, friend, you’re the one who suggested we needed to step up and “post like an educated person”, thereby implying that you were educated and we were not.
I’m simply suggesting that, perhaps when one implies such a thing, one should demonstrate a certain level of education in order to convey his message with some authority.
Otherwise he risks looking like a fool.
As for the “topic at hand”, you seem to suggest that, because President Bush and his father are not speaking ill of anyone in this particular interview, we should ignore the former’s divisive rhetoric throughout his tenure, not to mention the damage that he and his administration have wrought on this great nation. For you, politeness would appear to be a higher Priority than Truth. Funny… I thought that’s what was behind all of the “political correctness” criticism you guys always level at the Left.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:01 pmSlippery Slopes of Mt. Neocon. Watch out below.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pmScree licking followers in free fall.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pmUnfortunately, ReaganLogan ALSO Says:
Shows a total lack of class and as for nazism? ha it is obvious some have no clue
what nazism was about much less real history.
AND
As for you classes (sic) fools on here that can still spew ilk, it just shows how unclassy you are and how you are still looking to drive a wedge between Americans…
AND
Funny how so many talk smack and untruths about the war, YET if it was a Democrat in office they would have no problem with the low numbers of injured compared to other wars
Nope. No mud-slinging from the right here… just keep moving.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pmIt is an exceptionally high risk to the public to have two such delusional individuals without constant supervision.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:07 pm.
Bin Laden is also probably in tears to see his old mate Dubya moving on. Dubya did more to accomplish Bin Laden’s goals than he could have imagined. Bin Laden is smart enough to know it’s not going to be so easy anymore.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:13 pmReaganLogan, as soon as you learn to spell and to construct grammatically correct sentences in English, I will take your posts more seriously. . . it’s difficult to credit the ideas which come from folks who cannot handle their own language.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:16 pmPositive things about George Bush….He could wipe his own a$$ ….but why does he have to use the Constitution?
January 11th, 2009 at 2:16 pmIs it just me or did the mentioning of 9/11 seem to put a smile on Bush 41’s face?
January 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pmGo get ‘im,ralph the wonder llama! Your blogs rock.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:18 pmReaganLogan Says:
English is my second language?
January 11th, 2009 at 2:19 pmSee, ReaganLogan? That’s all we’re sayin’.
We only say this because we care.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pmReaganLogan, first, try not to use words if you are not sure of their meaning. First assignment, go look up ILK in the dictionary.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhat do you mean “we” kimosabe?
January 11th, 2009 at 2:24 pmThey can’t have been tears of joy for God’s sake. 41 probably breaks out in tears every time he sees or thinks about 43; I certainly do. They are both pathetic examples of human beings.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:25 pmInOnTheFly Says:
They can’t have been tears of joy for God’s sake. 41 probably breaks out in tears every time he sees or thinks about 43; I certainly do. They are both pathetic examples of human beings.
*
you should see how he acts when
he talks about marvin and neal.
snickers, guffaws, fart sounds…
it’s real funny!
**
January 11th, 2009 at 2:30 pmPoint taken, Shayne. But we’re always complaining about the substandard trolls we get here lately. Why don’t we at least try to help them be the best trolls they can be?
January 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pmCan I help…
January 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pmGHWB is just an old man now; he shares the guilt of having sired the worst president in our history, after having been ousted from the office himself because he was so out of touch with the people he swore to serve. Bushes are a very wealthy, very self-centered, very greedy and unpatriotic lot, who have always put their own interests before the interests of the nation.
January 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pmAt his age, he has less control of his emotions – and let’s face it, if your son was a war criminal, you’d cry too.
He should be spared any further embarrassment by simply not being asked to appear in public.
He, Babs, and the whole damned clan should join Bush in ignominy before W is found guilty of war crimes before all the world.
YOUTUBE:
“The Panama deception”
and you will be able to see how “Great” senior WAR CRIMINAL is…
January 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pmBound to be recorded as the biggest gangsters in American history, both Bush Sr. and Bush, Jr. are responsible for murdering nearly 3000 Americans on 9/11/2001.
They are truly Kings of the Sewer. They should be crucified with the Zionists.
January 11th, 2009 at 3:20 pmI fear we do not know the depths and horrors yet of his failed presidency….. and what we do know has ruined and tarnished the legacy of GHWB. What an old fool GHWB is when he dares to mention Jeb as a possible presidential candidate.
January 11th, 2009 at 3:24 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Point taken, Shayne. But we’re always complaining about the substandard trolls we get here lately. Why don’t we at least try to help them be the best trolls they can be?
“TRU-OOLLL SAY T’ANK OOO, ILL-YAMA…”
January 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pmAh, here’s Keltoi At Night now.
Y’know, I was just thinking last evening how much I missed you signing in as Keltoi at Night. Always made me feel like I was on a late-night talk show.
Have you ever considered appending an exclamation point? Y’know, like: Keltoi At Night! tonight’s guests include Lynn Cheney! Curtis Armstrong! and Jean-Claude van Damme! With musical director Darius Rucker and the Keltoi At Night Orchestra!
Seriously. Think about it.
January 11th, 2009 at 3:45 pm“Because he can make a DISASTROUS decision, and stick with it, no matter the entire world tells him he is wrong.”
January 11th, 2009 at 3:52 pm“Because he can kill a MILLION PEOPLE for no good reason, screw Condi, tell a good joke at dinner, kiss his wife and sleep like a baby.”
“Because I like the way he can stand on top of the piles of s–t he creates, flash a smile and flip everyone off.”
ralph the wonder llama Says:
——————————————————————————–
Ah, here’s Keltoi At Night now.
Y’know, I was just thinking last evening how much I missed you signing in as Keltoi at Night. Always made me feel like I was on a late-night talk show.
Have you ever considered appending an exclamation point? Y’know, like: Keltoi At Night! tonight’s guests include Lynn Cheney! Curtis Armstrong! and Jean-Claude van Damme! With musical director Darius Rucker and the Keltoi At Night Orchestra!
Seriously. Think about it.</em
It should really be Keltoi at Home, my work circumstances changed a bit and it obviously isn’t always at night anymore. But I too like the talk show affect.
OnT, while I know the name of Bush is anathema here, it is much easier to like 41, if for no other reason than he actually put his life on the line flying 58 combat missions off a flat top in WWII. I watched a fair bit of the Commissioning ceremony for the USS GHW Bush yesterday…when they flew one of HW’s torpedo bombers over the ceremony it was tough not to feel a lump at the sweep of history that man has seen.
I also find it very interesting that apologists for the very suspect appointment of Leon Panetta as DCI have relentlessly pointed out 41’s appointment in the 70’s with a similar lack of experience as a template. Suddenly HW is looking like a great DCI to the other team.
January 11th, 2009 at 3:53 pm“TRU-OOLLL SAY T’ANK OOO, ILL-YAMA…”
“The tire-fire that is conservatism rages high in the night sky; rain cannot extinguish its smoldering mound, and toxic fumes have forced the evacuation of near-by communities. Observers cannot approach close enough to gauge its true size, without being overcome by its billowing, sooty fog. The EPA has petitioned the in-coming administration to have it listed as a Superfund clean-up site, after a method of controlling the blaze has been established. More developments, as they occur…”
January 11th, 2009 at 3:54 pmKeltoi, I’m not sure GHWB is “looking like a great DCI”. The history of his appointment simply demonstrates that unconventional nominees are not predetermined to be failures.
And, yes, GHWB sure looks good next to the destruction that his son has wrought, but jeez, talk about lowering the bar. He still was a relative failure as a one-term president, he gave cover to the traitors of Iran-Contra and his mideast policy played a large part in emboldening Saddam to invade Kuwait in the first place.
plus, as has been pointed out, he sired and raised (or hired the people who raised) Dubya.
January 11th, 2009 at 4:08 pmllama
January 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pmDid you really have to add that Darius Rucker part??
Ah, reaganlogan, you can’t be serious dude. Low numbers of injured? Try high numbers of concussion injuries from IED’S,
PSTD,contminated food & water, and to top it off,STOP-
LOSS as a kick in the guts for being a patriotic volunteer.
And don’t even waste our time with the aids in Africa B.S. This isn’t redstate or lgf.
January 11th, 2009 at 4:09 pmOh, but of course.
January 11th, 2009 at 4:15 pmInteresting Body Language:
Bush Sr. says, “He’s been tested like no other president…9/11..”
As he says this, he looks to his left and slightly down, away from the camera and away from the interviewer. Then he shows an inappropriate grin.
January 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pmDon’t bet on it.
January 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pm.
Wouldn’t Prescott be proud?
.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pmhow long do we have to eat the sh_t sandwiches the Bush Crime Family serves up, please make it stop
January 11th, 2009 at 5:15 pm.
“When history finally get’s objective…”
What Georgie, don’t you mean when history is rewritten to paint as NOT being a WAR CRIMINAL?
.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm#22 ralph the wonder llama.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:24 pmAnd after fending off killer pretzels, sightings of killer pretzels have disappeared.
ReaganLogan Says:
Funny how so many talk smack and untruths about the war, YET if it was a Democrat in office they would have no problem with the low numbers of injured compared to other wars…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Another moron conservative snivelling that we dont show enough fealty to the worst president in American history. A loaf that LIED us into a war. Then trots out his amazing mind reading powers to tell us what we WOULD DO IF… Blow it out your blowhole punk you cant read our minds. Go tell the wife of a dead soldier about the low numbers of casualties in this war punk. WE arent the ones telling LIES about this war THAT would be the administration. Look we all get that you are a brainwashed moron but you making baseless assertions wont in any way change reality. President Gump was a disaster, a liar and a fool and it looks like you are too.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:00 pmReaganLogan Says:
I only see mud slinging coming from the left, the right has not thrown any mud (from this administration anyway)
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Then you are BONE IGNORANT. From the right we have The Weinerdog Savage, Annie Gangleskank Coulter, Rush the Oxymoron Limbaugh and yet you ONLY see mud slinging from the left. You are stupid beyond human comprehension or a shameless liar.
January 11th, 2009 at 6:03 pmLTdan, you’re not even trying.
If you’re gonna troll, then put some oomph! into it.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:02 pmI see that many people believe Bush “lied us” into war (e.g.comment 110). Nothwithstanding the atrocious grammar that obviously shows your level of intelligence, please provide evidence that he lied. Before spewing your answer of sentence fragments that sounds more like a Tourette’s syndrome patient, I urge you to try to develop a cohesive argument by first looking up what the word “lie” means and then reflect for a moment on how hard it is to prove someone’s state of mind. I know that many liberals think that if they say Bush is a war criminal enough times it will be true (kind of like OJ denying to himself that he murdered his wife), but you need evidence in court, and probably something lawyers call legal precedent. So while your hyperventalating about Bush’s actions, conduct some legal research.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:47 pmLTdan Says:
You are a liar and a fool. It is YOUR side that conjured up the Swift Boat Liars for Rent and followed the KKKarl Rove all attack all the time tactics. YOUR side with Coulter, Limpballs and th Weinerdog Savage. I will never understand why people even as patently ignorant as YOU think if you say something it becomes true. The brainwashed stupidity of the hivemind that passes for wisdom on Planet Wingnut is nothing but delusional fantasy in the reality based universe you should visit us someday.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:49 pmUm… Hytholday…?
Your commitment to the Rule of Law is admirable, but if you glance around you, you’ll notice that you’re not in a courtoom, so your insistence that TP posters “need evidence” in order to state their opinion that Bush lied us into war is a little overdone, to say the least.
In addition, your claim that you “know that many liberals think that if they say Bush is a war criminal enough times it will be true” might be just as vulnerable to your own Rules of Evidence as one of our claims that you decry.
Surely, if you demand the EugeneDebs produce evidence in a court of law that Bush lied, you should be willing to provide a similar level of evidence that some liberals think the way you characterize them, and some evidence of how you know that.
Fair is fair, right?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pmHythloday Says:
I know people like you are far too stupid to ever know what you are talking about but this isnt an English class nor a student thesis. As for Bush there can be NO RATIONAL DISPUTE that he lied us into the war in Iraq. For instance on Sept 7 2002 in a joint press conference with Tony Blair he said “I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied—finally denied access [in 1998], a report came out of the Atomic—the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon,” adding, “I don’t know what more evidence we need.”
How about some evidence that actually EXISTS. The IAEA denied there was any such report. Bush pulled it directly out of his ass. In fact the IAEAs actual position in the report they DID make in 98 which is the only time he could have been talking about said that they had destroyed Iraqs nuclear capability in 1991 and had seen no evidence it had been recontituted. Now that isnt a mistake of intelligence that was a LIE if making up a report that doesnt exist isnt a lie there is no such thing. How about the 12 reports he sent to Congress saying the aluminum tubes could ONLY be used as gas centrifuges when OUR OWN SCIENTISTS had UNANIMOUSLY said they were unlikely to be used that way at ALL and it was much more likely they would be used for missiles that Iraq was ALLOWED according to the ceasefire agreement? Your stupidity is so amusing when couched with your condescending tone. The fact you dont know ANYTHING that some rightwing screechmonkey didnt TELL YOU doesnt mean we dont know what we are talking about or that we are wrong in fact it is CLEARLY YOU that is wrong. However your grammer is excellent problem is that isnt all that relevant especially since you are IGNORANT of the facts in the subject matter of your post.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:00 pmralph the wonder llama – I will respond to you because at least you have the decency to not get into name calling.
It is an opinion website, indeed, and I did not insist on evidence. I asked for it. For an opinion to carry some weight, there must be some evidence to substantiate it, right? In other words an unsubstantiated opinion carries less (or no weight) over one that has appropriate supporing evidence. I am just trying to understand if anyone has based their opinion on any evidence.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:19 pmCheck out the New Russ Baker book on Poppy.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pmGHW Bush – Nazi, Big Daddy himself. Panama where they killed 3000 civilians was his call. How quickly we forget. Gulf War 1. Dallas during JFK murder. A filthy criminal that hopefully will go to Paraguay with the whole Klan. Effing dried up piece of Beef Jerky.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
January 11th, 2009 at 8:23 pmHythloday Says:
You hypocritical twit did you write THIS?
Nothwithstanding the atrocious grammar that obviously shows your level of intelligence, please provide evidence that he lied. Before spewing your answer of sentence fragments that sounds more like a Tourette’s syndrome patient…
Why I think you did. Then you have the NERVE to snivel about MY namecalling? Did you think God gave you conservatives the exclusive franchise on personal attacks or do you just enjoy snivelling in a way that would embarass any six year old girl that I am treating YOU the way YOU treated me? You arent fooling anyone anyway the reason you wont answer my post is you CANT. I showed two outright LIES Bush told not to mention sending Condalizzard Rice out to the talkshow circuit to say that the anodyzed coating on the aluminum tubes PROVED that they were for Gas Centrifuges even though uranium gas reacts badly to anodyzed coating and IF they were used for that purpose the coating would have to be REMOVED. Ya got nothin.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pmHythloday, I think it’s really strange that you wrote the following two sentences back-to-back without any apparent awareness of the irony:
reflect for a moment on how hard it is to prove someone’s state of mind.
then:
I know that many liberals think that if they say Bush is a war criminal enough times it will be true
My only suggestion is that you reflect for a moment on how hard it is to prove someone’s state of mind, ya know?
January 11th, 2009 at 8:39 pmActually I did not write that you were a hypocritical twit.
OregonDebbie said:
For instance on Sept 7 2002 in a joint press conference with Tony Blair he said “I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied—finally denied access [in 1998], a report came out of the Atomic—the IAEA that they were six months away from developing a weapon,” adding, “I don’t know what more evidence we need.”
How about some evidence that actually EXISTS.
Thank you for the evidence. Now we can have a reasoanble discussion about the issue of whether he lied. The evidence you have provided does not prove lying. It could prove that he made a poor decision, but I see nothing that shows that he was intentionally trying to deceive.
Point me to those 12 reports. I’d like to read them.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:39 pmTo Reagan/Logan,
You ought to start by taking your own advice and learning how to spell and punctuate beyond a kindergarten level.
Reagan/Logan says:
January 11th, 2009 at 9:01 pmThe interview was excellent and showed class. Both said excellent things about Obama and his decission(SIC) making and how they support him and want the country to unite around our new leader.
As for you classes(SIC) fools on here that can still spew ilk, it just shows how unclassy you are and how you are still looking to drive a wedge between Americans…
Now I did not agree with all of their decissions(SIC), but I beleive they did what they both thought was best for the country and not themselves.
So lets(SIC) get out of the kindergarden(SIC) class (COMMA needed) shall we and be adults here and post like an educated person and NOT short(DASH needed)sighted whiny children…
HythoMORON says he didnt call me a hypocritcal twit. Well first I didnt act like one and second you DID say something about me spewing your answer of sentence fragments that sounds more like a Tourette’s syndrome patient… and made a condescending and contemptuous comment about my intelligence so BITE ME.
Of COURSE it proves lying. HE MADE UP AN IAEA REPORT THAT DIDNT EXIST. IF making up reports that not only dont exist but are the polar opposite of the actual position of the agency you are citing it cannot be anything BUT lying.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9907E1D61038F930A35753C1A9629C8B63
Here is a good synopsis of the whole aluminum tubes issue. It is CLEAR the Bush administration continued to push this story LONG after they had good reason to disbelieve it. They continued to say these tubes could ONLY be used for GCs when our own scientists didnt believe it and sent them a report SAYING SO. They were unanimous on the issue and ridiculed the very idea. Including reports to Congress SAYING EXACTLY THAT. That is a clear lie. When the best evidence is against something yet you continue to tout it WITHOUT DISCLOSING THE CONTRARY EVIDENCE that is lying. Also when the IAEA denied the Sept 02 report existed they made up a series of excuses that ATTEMPTED to keep the claim when NONE of the in any way supported the claim it is as clear a lie as you can ask for.
This TP thread mentions the multiple reports to Congress without mentioning the Energy Dept report (where OUR Gas Centrifute experts reside) and links to another NYTimes report showing it was baloney.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pmPoppy Bush is starting to lose his faculties.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pmEugeneDebs states:
When the best evidence is against something yet you continue to tout it WITHOUT DISCLOSING THE CONTRARY EVIDENCE that is lying.
By your own definition of lying (actually what you described is defined as being disingenuous), you have lied by not disclosing contradictorary evidence.
Let’s begin wtih the February 13, 1998, white paper on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction produced by the Clinton Administration which stated that
Four days later, President Clinton delivered speech in which he said
There is more to the case for going into Iraq than what you provided.
Consider UN Resolution 1441. It mandated that, within 30 days, Iraq provide
Hans Blix reported to the UN in May 2003 that stocks of anthrax and VX remained unaccounted for:
Thus, it is obvious that President Bush did not base his entire rationale for going to war soley on the evidence you provide. What I havve provided is just a sampling of the reasons for going into Iraq. To reply that the whole war was based on lies by only citing one alleged instance, even if true, is disingenuous, or lying by your definition.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pmInteresting how you frame issues, Hythloday. I give you credit — you’re more meticulous than most trolls.
You produce quotes (no links, I notice, just quotes) that you present as evidence that Bush didn’t lie, yet you fail to address EugeneDebs’s point about the phantom IAEA report (which, if the circumstances fit EugeneDebs’s description, would certainly be evidence of falsehood) nor do you mention the issue of the aluminum tubes that the administration insisted were only fit for weapons development, which was a complete lie.
In short, there are several issues on which the administration can be shown to have delivered false information to the American people (Nigerian yellowcake, mobile weapons labs, the list goes on), and that they knew the information was false at the time they delivered it.
The evidence you provide does nothing to mitigate the damaging implications of the episodes that EugeneDebs offers as evidence. When you move the goalposts by saying “it is obvious that President Bush did not base his entire rationale for going to war soley (sic) on the evidence you provide” (emphasis mine) you’re not making the strong case you think you are, except for people who aren’t paying attention. You appear to be simply trying to accomplish with misdirection what you cannot accomplish with logic and fact alone.
One might even say it is disingenuous.
Now, I will reflect for a moment on just how hard it is to prove someone’s state of mind, but it seems clear from your posts that you want us to adopt, for claims we make on a message board, more rigorous standards of evidence than the New York Times, Washington Post or Wall Street Journal employ, but it ain’t gonna happen.
Personally, I try to stay away from the “Bush lied us into war” claims because, as you say, it is difficult to prove conclusively, and I like to know I’m standing on firm ground with my claims. Others here have no such timidity, and will freely say what they think, regardless of whether anyone else will listen. That’s their privilege. I think they’re right, that Bush did knowingly lie to us, that he wanted to go to war with iraq, and he knew that he had to lie in order to get public support. I can’t prove it to the satisfaction of someone who is predisposed to see it otherwise, but to me, the evidence speaks for itself.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:55 pmHythloday Says: 125
Your entire post is completely irrelevant to my post and my points they IN NO WAY INVALIDATE THAT BUSH LIED. The best definition of lying in my opinion is purposely giving false information. I clearly showed Bush did that in at least those two instances. What Clinton said or Blix really has nothing to do with THOSE TWO EXAMPLES. Therefore your claim that I was disengenuous or lying because I didnt give arguments YOU LIKE that are completely irrelevant to THE POINT I WAS MAKING is just ludicrous.
Your first point is that Clinton thought Iraq still had chemical weapons stockpiles though we now KNOW THEY DIDNT. OK. He was wrong so what? Lets suppose they DID. Since those weopons degrade rather quickly and in five years would be useless in 2003 how would that in any way be relevant? You ascribe to UNSCOM what BUTLER was saying but Scott Ritter didnt agree. In 03 Russia and France was telling us they DIDNT have such stockpiles and lets remember THEY WERE RIGHT. Also invading a country because of what they MIGHT have is about like kicking your nieghbors door down and shooting him and his entire family then telling the judge he MIGHT have had a gun and MIGHT have attacked me. Remember the CIA said Iraq was NOT a threat to use any weapons they DID have against us in the 02NIE nor allow their weapons to be used by others. NONE OF THIS is relevant to the point I made that BUSH LIED. You didnt come within MILES of refuting a single point I made so you just changed the argument and I assume hoped I wouldnt notice. You really arent very good at this.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:15 pmGee, Hythloday, I checked out your website and I must say, for someone who admonishes others to, “reflect for a moment on how hard it is to prove someone’s state of mind” you certainly make a lot of assumptions about other people’s states of mind.
For instance, “I know you just searched the name and that phrase came up first in Google. I also know you always read Cliffs Notes and never understood any literary device (like an allegory, for example) other than at a superficial level, so spare me the “gotcha” moment and leave that to the mainstream media who do as much research and analysis as you just did on my name.”
You seem to have much knowledge of things about which you cannot know. Are you a sorcerer? Or just a blowhard?
January 11th, 2009 at 11:22 pmBUSHSH*T
January 12th, 2009 at 12:36 amGeorge H.W. Bush may or may not be senile.
George H.W. Bush looks so old and feeble.
George H.W. Bush walks with a cane.
George H.W. Bush has experienced problems related to a back operation.
George H.W. Bush may or may not be insane.
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January 12th, 2009 at 2:11 amStop feeding the trolls
January 12th, 2009 at 7:22 amThe more they get fed with undeserved attention, the farther off topic things get.
Back on topic: That was truly a Pepto Bismal moment.
January 12th, 2009 at 7:23 amHythloday (the brainless twit) Says:
You dipshit.
Every possible WMD which may or may not ever be manufactured in the Middle East is a product of the USA – the greatest country to rape while earning a fortune.
Lest the ditto-heads forget that we were allied with Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war.
It was after buddying up with Saddam in hopes of him opening his country to “western style Democracy”(i.e. economic imperialism) that Iraq told us to fcuk off, and the rest, as they say, is history.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:18 amGWB should aspire to obscurity, like those 19th century Presidents like Martin Van Buren or Benjamin Harrison. He won’t achieve it. Instead, he will be held up as an example of what happens when Congress lets the President do whatever the hell he wants, and when the American people become complacent and allow fringe elements and criminals to hijack the electoral process, as if Germany’s Weimar Republic wasn’t a good enough example of that.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:51 amGeorge W. Bush “he’s gonna be judged great too”
What the hell ????
These people are so isolated and out-of-touch with reality!!
January 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pmJust exactly, what test did he pass?
Being an @$$ – passed
Stepping all of the Constitution – passed
Starting a war for no VALID reason – passed
Bringing America to it’s knees – passed
Tortured POW’s – passed
Lied to Americans – passed
None of these are things to be proud of.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:10 pmBush’s legacy is secured. IF he is lucky he will be considered in that small group of the worst most incopetent presidents in American history. Very likely he will stand alone as the standard bearer the WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. That is his legacy
January 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pmAfter fighting for this country and you dumbasses I am ashamed not of my country but of the citizens of this great nation.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:40 pmI hope one day to see you and have you tell me face to face how every thing in our government is inferior to that of the word.
You people obviously speak out of ignorance.
The world is only as safe for us as we make it.
Take off your rose colored glasses and help out or are you people the type to complain about everything and let us do all the heavy lifting.
painintheass Says:
You are not only a pain you are a moron. Show your work who was it that said our government is inferior to that of the word. For extra credit you can try to explain how in the world that makes sense. Is there anything more pathetic than an internet toughguy? Yeah its pretty brave to make vieled threats to people you know you will never meet face to face. Take a pill for that insecurity. I suggest you take off your stupid colored glasses and see the world as it really is. Where no government is perfect and the ONLY way a people make it better is to DEMAND each administration uphold the values the PEOPLE associate with our country. Thomas Jefferson said dissent was the highest form of patriotism and this is why. What IS America to you anyway? Is it the Bush administration? Is it the Government? See to ME its the people that make UP our country. People like you and people like me. We may not agree but that is the wonderful THING about a free country. Our disagreements can end up in greater understanding. Timid men prefer the quiet of despotism to the boisterous sea of liberty. Jefferson again. It seems you want to be a timid man. That is fine with me. Make your argument I will make mine. If you think you will intimidate me into being quiet because you SAY you are a soldier and a toughguy well that would be the most delusional thing you have said and that bar is high.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pmOh and Pain one more quote Teddy Roosevelt. To say there must be no criticism of a president, that we must support him right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile but morally treasonable to the American public. I suggest you STOP being unpatriotic, servile and morally treasonable
January 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pmWell thanks for handling the heavy lifting. I appreciate that. Still I suppose you might be a little more thankful that other folks handle the heavy thinking. It takes a village…
January 12th, 2009 at 11:53 pmTwo of the worst presidents ever. No family has done more to destroy our nation than this one.
January 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pmA father defends his son, and he’s a monster? Great. This entire site is a love-fest for leftist loons so out of touch with reality, the pulse of their own nation and the basic tenets of a free society that they are beyond logic. You willingly swill the crap spoon-fed to you by a manipulative (and manipulated) media, lumping all of our country’s ills at the feet of a president…studiously overlooking the fact that it was a Democratic Congress that crippled our housing and banking industries, voted for us to go to war in Iraq and hyped a presidential candidate who is utterly unqualified for his new post. Keep championing a misguided cause and blaming the wrong people, you morons, and you will play a pivotal role in the undoing of a great nation. I – and far more people than you believe – have nothing but disdain for you.
February 6th, 2009 at 9:47 amWhat a creepy family! Not surprising since Grandpappy helped the nazis export and hide their war profits. Oooh, war profiteering, there’s something to talk about, huh W? Sadly there was a Jeb interview out the other day at WSJ. How crazy are they that they think we want to hear from another one of those dirty bushes. The whole family are a disgrace to this country.
February 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pmnice father nice son, what is the different between you sohbet mr bushs nothing, you both went war, agaisnt saddam, it wasnt about america it was abour BUSH FAMILY vs SADDAM FAMILY
February 15th, 2009 at 8:41 pmif you couldn’t handle sohbetsaddam again i’m sure you would put your second son to president sit to finish the job as you did with w.bush, stealing election in FLORIDA
The bubble of arrogant elitism these people have lived in all their lives has burst. The ordinary world the rest of us have lived in is unsympathetic to their self-defining delusions.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:36 amI think Bush 41 needs his medication adjusted, I mean..it must take a lot of different kinds of mood stablizers, anti-depressants and a few anti-anxiety pills to assist in his hell that is his life….living with Barbara!
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