Joe the Plumber: ‘I think media should be abolished’ from reporting on war.
Joe the Plumber: ‘I think media should be abolished’ from reporting on war.
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, aka “Joe the Plumber,” is currently in Israel covering the war for the conservative site PJTV.com. When asked what he has learned from his new experiences as a journalist, Wurzelbacher said that he believes the media shouldn’t be allowed to do “reporting” on wars:
I’ll be honest with you. I don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war. I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what’s happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I think it’s asinine. You know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you’d go to the theater and you’d see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for’em. Now everyone’s got an opinion and wants to downer–and down soldiers. You know, American soldiers or Israeli soldiers.
I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting. You know, war is hell. And if you’re gonna sit there and say, “Well look at this atrocity,” well you don’t know the whole story behind it half the time, so I think the media should have no business in it.
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silence, ingrate. go give another rimjob to the mccain campaign. wait, what? oh, that’s right. they lost.
nevermind.
best of luck cashing in on your 15 minutes. let us know how that works out for you.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:13 pmThanks for perpetuating the meme that anything this zero says is worth publicity.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:13 pmouch. that hurt. the stupid, that is…
January 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pmYet another right-wing voice checks in with a full-throated support for Ignorance.
Palin/Wurzelbacher ‘12!
January 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pmJoe the Dumber and Dumberer.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pmTRULY ORWELLIAN
January 11th, 2009 at 7:17 pmDoes it strike anyone else as ironic that Joe the Plumber bashes the media, yet without the media, he’d be just another unlicensed 40k-a-year plumber’s helper in Ohio?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:17 pmFunny how inelegant his language skills are when trying to express a thought that is not simple jingoistic right wing propaganda.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:18 pmit would be cool to have andy rooney educate joe the not-plumber…
January 11th, 2009 at 7:18 pmI think Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher should be abolished from, duh, you know, public speaking!
January 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pmWow – he’s even more stupid than I thought!
January 11th, 2009 at 7:20 pmLOL
Speaking of asinine Joe, have you looked in the mirror lately?
What kind of a moron would you have to be to put any stock in anything this yahoo has to say.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:21 pmLooks like Joe just talked himself out of another job. This guy is f ucking clueless!
January 11th, 2009 at 7:21 pmjoe should stick to plumbing. but don’t consider hiring him, he probably sucks at that too.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:22 pmJoe the Plumber should be abolished!
January 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pmI am so glad he’s playing for the other team.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pmIts interesting that the versitile and eloquent Joe remembers the days of World War 1 and II when he obviously used to go to the theater to watch news clips from the war.
This idiot has had his 15 minutes of fame (now expanded to 20) When can we expect to no longer have to hear a peep out of the non plumber?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pmFor f***s sake – hasn’t Bush embarrassed our country enough?
Now we have this willfully ignorant dipsh*t spewing his stupidity overseas?
This is frightening.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pmDear God in heaven. If you exist please smite this inbred TWAT right in his chew hole. The republican cult that churns out these retards must be stopped.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:23 pmAnother example of the Right-wing’s collective (lack of) intelligence.
Next thing you know, he will have his own show on Faux NoNooz.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:24 pmJoe the plumber (and let’s never forget that isn’t his name or job) has once again proved himself to be as ignorant, stupid, and completely devoid of any understanding of what is going on in the real world as Sarah Palin. The 2 deserve each other. Joe – go away. You are making yourself into a laughing strock even more than you were during the campaign. There’s 15 min of fame, and beyond that, it’s more minutes of being pathetic & stupid. You’re now in the 2nd group.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:26 pm“I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting.”
Out of sight out of mind, you know, that way, they can paint war as something spectacular to participate in instead of the hell that it is. They can glorify it like in the War movies of John Wayne instead of showing the truth about war and what it does to people like in Taxi to the Dark Side and In the Valley of Elah.
Reporting on the VietNam War — bringing it into everyone’s living room — is what turned the American Public against War. But they don’t want that to happen ever again, do they?
And Joe the Plumber should turn in his plunger AND his microphone and pick up a gun and stand post since he is so in favor of war.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:27 pmIt would be nice if one of the ‘journalist’s’ sticking a microphone and/or a notepad in this skid mark’s face would actually let him have it. But then that would require some balls and we know the media in this country has none.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:28 pmApparently, Joe is a big fan of fascism, where the government tells you what to think and how to feel…like one long John Wayne movie.
From the 14 Points Of Fascism:
#6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Heckuva job, Joe.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:28 pmSorry- but I must continue. Joe thinks reporters should be “abolished” from reporting? My God this man is pathetic. Who should report, then, Joe? People like you, who are so ignorant & stupid they have no understanding– NO UNDERSTANDING – of what is going on in the world? Please, Joe, fold up your tent & go away.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pmJoe The Plumber — meet Joe the Goebbels.
Just saying . . .
January 11th, 2009 at 7:30 pmI’m sure it’s been said, but..
the media should be abolished from reporting on dumb schmucks like that guy.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:31 pmInteresting that he is being interviewed, and he chooses to ridicule the journalists who are interviewing him.
He’s not functioning as a journalist, he is being trotted around as a celebrity by the Israelis.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:32 pmJoe the Plumber – who is, in reality, neither– what a loser cashing in on media hype. A no-intelligence goober looking to cash in on the ignorance of the right wing. But they might listen to him! There’s a mutual-self-love in this stupid group. Joe has no smarts or facts; the right wing accepts that with open arms!
January 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pmHow is what he proposes any differen from reinstating the Fairness Doctrine?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pmEdward R. Murrow would not only roll over his grave and be on the floor dying laughing. Next to Jeff Gannon, an absolute embarrassment in the name of journalism. I should have called Joe several weeks ago before he headed out to Israel when I had a backed up toilet. This is all of about the benjamins for Joe the Plumber. And I hope every last dime that Joe the Plumber pimping for or cashing in is really worth it for him to make a total village idiot of himself. What’s next for Joe? A reality TV show: Dude, where’s my plunger?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:36 pmI hope that whoever is financially backing PJTV goes broke.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pmSimple. The Fairness Doctrine demands that, as a condition of using the public airwaves, broadcasters give opposing views equal time when they air political content.
What Sam Wurzelbacher , aka Joe duh Plumber, proposes is government control of public information in wartime.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:44 pmWhat did I miss something? Where are the PAJAMAS?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:45 pmJoe, the Plumber/Reporter, is why we should never consider having another Constitutional Convention.
It has been tested over and over, and every time the results are the same: asked to approve the Bill of Rights, a majority of Murkins would NOT re-ratify the First, the Fourth, or the Fifth Amendments…
January 11th, 2009 at 7:47 pmJoe I am so sick of your crap please get some education.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pmI really don’t know who’s more stupid you or the people that called you “the average american”.
Joe also said that he wanted to remain ignorant about everything because it made his job as a plumber easier.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:49 pmSpoken like a true Benito Mussolini lookalike.
Joe the Fascist.
-GSD
January 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pmHey Joe. Get back with us after you get done with your tour and after you’ve done a little reporting on the actual frigging war, would ya? DB.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:56 pmWhy is the Joe the Journalist, who is supposed to be doing the interviewing, being interviewed?
January 11th, 2009 at 7:57 pmnorbizness Says:
Thanks for perpetuating the meme that anything this zero says is worth publicity.
Whole-heartedly agree, but around here, they just post about the lying liars that stand in front of the cameras.
The dems that enable it all get a free pass.
In fact, you can get flamed or even banned at most of these sites for pointing out the fact that none of these morons would be in the media if the dems had taken meaningful action against the criminality, looting, treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity.
Every one of the pundits and media shills are laughing all the way to the bank, including this faux plumber.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pmI think he’s found his calling. He enunciates the right wing world view perfectly. Everyone would be happier if the media would just stop telling people about the bad news! Bush’s approval rating would be high. New Orleans would still be wrecked, but nobody north of Louisiana would know about it. People could die of melamine poisoning and e.coli in the bagged spinach quietly without making people reconsider breastfeeding or buying produce locally. And, we’d think everything was going swimmingly in Iraq, we were greeted as liberators, and all the schoolchildren spend the first half hour of their day praising George Bush.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pmHold off on the balloons and cake for Joe! For those who are scraping ever last dime to get Joe’s book “Joe the Plumber: Fighting for the American Dream”, use your dough on something useful because Joe’s book is temporary out of stock at Amazon. It has been 1 month since he released his book and the reviews on his book ain’t that good: 2 1/2 stars. Here is the ranking of Joe the War reporter’s book:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #208,930 in Books
http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Plumber-Fighting-American-Dream/dp/0976974037
Look for that book to hit the dollar store and then off to the Goodwill.
January 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pmjoe says he’s “got alot of questions, just tryin’ to find the right one”…
that’s why most reporters carry a notepad around, joe…
real professional look you’ve got going on there too…
January 11th, 2009 at 7:59 pm“Where are the PAJAMAS?”
What’s with his wardrobe, anyways? An un-tucked in T-Shirt with a logo?
January 11th, 2009 at 8:01 pmI think it says Bakersfield. He must have gone clothes shopping at the airport on his way overseas.
the guy tells him “more that sixteen israeli’s have been killed by these rockets”…
sixteen…
January 11th, 2009 at 8:04 pmkaty Says:
joe says he’s “got alot of questions, just tryin’ to find the right one”…
And the first question he thinks to ask is:
“Why are you guys collecting all this stuff?”
Maybe he honestly believes he is as intelligent as his audience…
January 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pmPlease explain how Democrats enable joe the Plumber? Who’s getting a free pass on this?
January 11th, 2009 at 8:09 pmThe man is being used for only one reason. Name value. Surely no one expects that he would know what to ask, how to frame a question much less the important follow up. Nor would he know anything politically or knowledge regarding the country he is visiting. This man is an unsophisticated yahoo.
He is being used the same way that Fox uses people on their network. Not for what they know but for bias and hubris in what they present. This man is the kind they would have on Fox.
If some organization wants to hire him they must be in dire need of publicity and hard up for anyone intelligent enough to send. Or at the very least, anyone too smart to go.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:13 pm.
Joe the Pajama reporter said:
… Does this include Joe?
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January 11th, 2009 at 8:15 pmJoe The Plumber is an ass. Speaking of Asses, I think Lou The Mule has more integrity than Joe The Plumber.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/06/national/a122827S17.DTL&feed=rss.business
January 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pmJoe the Plumber is quite the whiner.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:20 pmAs a plumber Joe knows how to move feces. That skill remains intact.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pmYou know, I think Joe the Dumber needs to take his meds as prescribed and lay off the cheap whisky. It’s really going bad on him.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:25 pm.
Joe the plumber… NOT!
Joe the singer… NOT!
Joe the reporter… NOT!
This is simply in line with the other celebrity blowhards that also masquerade as journalists and reporters…
… Does Joe consider himself to be a reporter for PJTV and therefore should he too, be barred from reporting on war?
Oh,
IOKIYR… YES?
.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:27 pmI can never decide if sarah palin and ‘Joe the Plumber’ are actually as stupid as they appear or if they are genius Democratic plants sent to destroy republicanism.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pmHere’s a guy who doesn’t go gettin’ ideas in his head. What a citizen.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pmWhy do I see him in 5 years on the “What Ever Happened to….” segment back collecting welfare having pissed away any money he made off his stupidity.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pmAmanda, tell us again why this guy matters. Why he is news.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:31 pmI’m thinking more along the lines of the final gasp of “Celebrity Rehab”.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pmSomething is just really weird about the whole thing.
Joe is obviously being used by the Israeli’s to push some propaganda about the missiles landing in Isreali territory.
Joe asks: “Why are you guys collecting this stuff?” (duh), and the officer launches in to an obviously scripted monologue about what they do after a rocket has hit. Joe is too dense to pick up the thread, and instead looks around the room and starts ripping into the reporters and camera people.
Down deep, I’m certain Joe knows he is in way over his head, and it pisses him off.
The Acme Troll Employment Agency will pick him up when he gets back to the states. He’d be a natural.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:36 pmPut a sock in this guys mouth. And stop reporting on him.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:36 pmJoe the Fake Plumber is your typical lunatic extremist. Ignorant, big mouthed, morally bankrupt, highly opinionated and a natural born Liar.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pmWho the hell keeps given these wingnuts microphones???
Ralph:
I see “Celebrity” Rehab in year 4, but it’s good to see you have more faith in him : )
January 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pmHythloday Says:
In MANY ways for instance the fairness doctrine only says both sides should be heard not in ANY way that either side should be silenced. Second his prescription would be a clear violation of the first amemndment and the Red Lion decision states directly there is NO first amendment issue involving the fairness doctrine. That is two ways right off the bat.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pmPlumbing the depths of stupidity. . .
January 11th, 2009 at 8:40 pmAbolished from reporting on the war? What does that even mean. It doesnt even make sense. You are either abolished or you arent you cant be abolished FROM something.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:41 pmralph the wonder llama
I will answer – our faux plumber would not have a platform had the folks who’s propaganda he “catapults” been held accountable.
Do you remember when dems ran in 2006 on accountability.
We saw none – that is why morons like our faux plumber can become media darlings. If the chimp had been impeached the rest of the criminal cabal discredited, we would not see folks like our faux plumber in the MSM.
Is this really so hard to understand?
January 11th, 2009 at 8:48 pmThere are more right wingers hanging around here than at Red States lately. Oh year, they all are extremely progressive and they all voted for Obama, blah, blah, blah. Only thing is all they do is defend Bush and Cheney and criticize the topics TP posts because they’re so concerned. Of course that’s when they’re not bashing President ELECT Obama before he has a chance to make his first official decision AS President.
January 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pmJoe the Plumber: ‘I think media should be abolished’ from reporting on war.»
- – What’s the difference between Joe the Plumber and a hockey mom?
One winks and one stinks.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:00 pmNo, it’s not hard to understand, once one realizes the lengths to which some will go to blame Democrats for completely unrelated cultural phenomena.
Joe the Plumber was a phenomenon of a desperate Republican candidate’s grasping at straws in a presidential election. Are you suggesting that, had Democrats impeached Bush in 2007, there would not have been an election? Or that the Republican candidate would not have used a faux-populist “Average Joe” to enhance his campaign?
Or that the lazy news media would not have made Joe a demi-celebrity of sorts?
I’m disappointed in the performance of Democrats in Congress over the last few years, too. I just think it’s absurd to try to blame Joe the plumber on them.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:02 pm- – What’s the difference between Joe the Plumber and a hockey mom?
One drives to the rink, the other dives in the sink.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:06 pmThink of the strings that had to be pulled to get Joe the Plumber over there, ranting the way he is.
Top-level Israeli officials and top-level Bush administration officials had to have agreed long before Joe the Plumber boarded an airplane in the States to go over there, but with the initial push coming from the Bush side. Condi Rice probably had to sign off on Joe’s little trip as a “foreign war correspondent.”
What I wouldn’t give to hear the conversations that must have occurred between Israeli and Bush administration officials as they discussed Joe the Plumber’s proposed trip.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pmI wonder… did Joe trust the Clinton administration to tell him the truth about Kosovo in 1998?
Will he trust Barack Obama to tell him the truth about what’s really going on overseas?
Basically, Joe’s got nine more days to cling to his daddy-fixation, before he’s got to switch back to black-helicopter mode.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pmWhy does the media tell us about this moron and the female moron that McSame made popular, yet refuse to dig into the crimes of the Bush Crime Family? Give me a break. This guy is not worth the sweat off my forehead.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pmAfter a campaign that involved Sarah Palin this is saying something . . . but Joe is the biggest Preening Buffoon I have EVER seen.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pmWhat should be abolished is public speaking by maroons like Joe the Dumber.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pmApparently, it’s all Nancy Pelosi’s fault.
Do I have that right, Another Joe?
January 11th, 2009 at 9:35 pmDumb as a box of rocks.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pmPut down the microphone, step away from the television screen, get back to Ohio and set a good example for your son, Mr. Wurtselbacher. There are more ways than one to polish your resume without without giving the appearance of being qualified to wipe Hitler’s ass.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:42 pmDumber. Rocks have the sense to lay quietly in their box.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:42 pmohsuzanna,
January 11th, 2009 at 9:44 pmNope,
try dumb as a turd in a toilet.
Joe’s just living his “15 minutes,” trying to make as amuc of it as possible before the spotlight flickers off him ond onto some other undeserving schmuck.
Celebrity is as close as we–the proles–can hope to get to ‘privilege.’ It’s the lottery culture. If it hits you, run with it. It is probably the only chance you’re gonna get…
January 11th, 2009 at 9:44 pmYou are right Joe, war is hell. That is why the media needs to show the public that so we only to go war when absolutely necessary.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pmYou’re a celebrity here…
January 11th, 2009 at 9:46 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
If Joe the
tax dodgererplumberoh, my bad,singeroh, to hell with it, reporter, says reporters should be banned from reporting on war, then why is he reporting on war?.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pmHas anyone checked if this is a scientific phenomenon ?
Do brain farts actually last this long ?
January 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pm.
Isn’t the double speak going on similar to when Bush said THIS?
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January 11th, 2009 at 9:53 pmHeads up, Joe. The U.S. press gave up reporting some time ago.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pmThis one assumed the riches before he even earned them — cornering the president-elect on the campaign trail without any knack for policy or understanding of his plan, only right-wing-fed talking points, and talking up his grand scheme of being the white knight business owner with no capital.
Joe the Sucker was told by the tooth fairy that he was going to hit the jackpot, and his first reaction is to haughtily confront one of those demlibs.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:55 pmMax-1, re:
I think it’s the same reason why neocons work in the government.
January 11th, 2009 at 9:58 pm.
Dear
SamJoe,“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
- Hermann Goering at his Nuremburg trial.
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January 11th, 2009 at 9:59 pmJoe the Plumber: ‘I think media should be abolished’ from reporting on war.
There you go , Joe (or whatever your name is) ; THINKING.
Not exactly your strong suit , is it …………..?
January 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm96 comments and no one troll
has stood up for this maroon?
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back to the toilet plunger joe!
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January 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pmAnother Joe Says:
I will answer – our faux plumber would not have a platform had the folks who’s propaganda he “catapults” been held accountable.
Excuse me, but our faux plumber would not have a platform had the folks who’s propaganda he “catapults” not been the folks who’s propaganda he “catapults”.
ralph is right. Don’t blame the Democrats just because the Republicans refuse to campaign on issues, and instead choose to inflame voters with hot button issues. Have you noticed something? The elections are over – and so is the faux “outrage” from the right abut gay marriage. They are using Joe, just like they use wedge issues. That is not the fault of the Democrats, that is the fault of the Republicans.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:17 pmOdd isn’t it joe cantwell? They’ve been thick as thieves around here and now they’re gone. Does the KKK have meetings on Sunday night?
January 11th, 2009 at 10:18 pmI’m not good at predictions, so I’ll just say I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe’s next non-construction job is as some kind of spokesperson for Blackwater Worldwide. That or as a guest judge on “Americana Idol”.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:19 pmI see the repugs retained their best and brightest.
Who wants to be a repug?
January 11th, 2009 at 10:21 pmWell Wayne the new wedge issue is media bias. Obama won because the press was so biased. Obama got a free pass and poor Sarah was picked on. I guess it was her preacher not Jeremiah Wright that was the problem. It wasn’t Michelle Obama attacked for saying for the first time she was REALLY proud. Of course that “really” was edited out all over the news but still available for those who wanted the facts. Poor, poor Sarah, if only she had been treated fairly like the Obamas. She should have frightened the media with one of those terrorist fist jabs.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pmShayne Says:
Odd isn’t it joe cantwell? They’ve been thick as thieves around here and now they’re gone. Does the KKK have meetings on Sunday night?
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it’s AMAZING!
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January 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pmJoe’s a plumber’s helper? I thought that was the thing you shoved in the loo when the crap won’t go down. Oh wait — that is what Joe does. And the right wing swallows it happily.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:24 pm“We must abolish reporters and I, Joe Sam, will be the first to abolish myself!!!”
January 11th, 2009 at 10:25 pmIt’s wonderful. And now they’re here screaming that we haven’t wanted to discuss the problems with Pelosi and Reid and the Democrats kowtowing to the administration. I guess that’s on the talking point sheet. Right next to “I’m the biggest progressive ever.” and “I voted for Obama but …”
January 11th, 2009 at 10:26 pmI think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting.
That’s what the media does, you moron! Reporting!
What idiot hired this guy to be a “journalist”? Both Joe and the person who hired him should be fired. So should whoever let him go to Israel for this purpose.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:28 pmI don’t think journalists should be anywhere allowed war.
Sheesh, Joeplumberisms sound a lot like Bushisms! Is our media learning? Is our children abolished?
January 11th, 2009 at 10:31 pmIt would be fun to watch Joe’s face when someone asks him:
January 11th, 2009 at 10:31 pm“So, Joe, are you an abolitionist?”
Oh , how the mighty have truly fallen …….
We once were viewed as the champions of democracy , looked upon with a sort of askance , and respected pretty much world-wide ; our media was also the creme’ de la creme’ , with Murrow , Cronkite , and the like leading the way.
We are now relegated to Chimpy and Co , and this poor excuse for a “reporter” ; I mean , even Bible Spice Palin went to school for journalism.
Does this knucklehead know the difference between a pipe snake and a pipe bomb ?
What a disgrace ……….
January 11th, 2009 at 10:32 pmShayne,
If you haven’t already read it, I highly recommend David Brock’s “The Republican Noise Machine”. It’s an excellent account of how the right-wing infiltrated (no better word) the media business because they felt their side of the story wasn’t being given out. Theh fact that their side was often wrong, or in dispute with the rest of the facts being reported, didn’t seem to penetrate them.
IMHO, in general, especially where their government is concerned, liberals are biased toward exposing the truth, while conservatives are biased toward secrecy. So any time the media exposes the government telling lies, the conservatives scream and call that “liberal media bias”, because they would not do such a thing if they ran the media.
About 40 years ago, Edith Efron wrote a book (”The News Twisters”) which purported to “prove” the media was liberally biased. For several weeks, she watched the main news broadcasts, and any story that was favorable toward Nixon was considered good, and anything that was in the least bit critical of Nixon, or anything associated with him, such as the Viwtnam War, was considered bad. It was very unscientiofic, and very poorly done, but Nixon used his influence to make it a best-seller (he had Haldeman find out which book stored the NYT used to rate best-sellers and bought up allthe copies inthose stores). Ever since, the right-wing has been absolutely convinced that the media is liberally biased.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:37 pmAnd will someone please tell me, Who gives a FLYING F#CK what this moron “thinks”????
Also, will the media PLEASE do all of us a TREMENDOUS favor and STOP reporting on this idiot and his Playmate, the “Airhead from Alaska” (I can’t even remember her name anymore, Thank God!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 11th, 2009 at 10:45 pmHow did, this, like, uh, person, get a job, you know, like, to write?
Last I checked, the First Amendment was still law. We, The People, have the right to know what’s going on. I guess Joe the Plumber reads at about the same level he writes.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:47 pm.
Joe’s busy “reporting” Israel’s side of the war because, well, no one else is?
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January 11th, 2009 at 10:54 pmYou know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you’d go to the theater and you’d see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for’em
He thinks people would watch newsreel of war and be “excited and happy” for our troops? Believing military involvement is the right thing and being “excited and happy” that young Americans are being shot at and killed are 2 very different things.
The hypocrisy and the stupid hurts.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:54 pmhey joe did you hear what your fuehrer said today?
“It’s very important for our party not to narrow its focus, not to become so inward looking that we drive people away from a philosophy that is compassionate and decent,” said Bush.
:)
January 11th, 2009 at 10:56 pmWayne, it’s like the new meme that MSNBC is worse than Fox. And how Fox has much better ratings when MSNBC is not part of the regular cable package in many areas. And those regulars like Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson are so liberal.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:04 pmWhat a maroon, hey Joe did you ever hear of Ernie Pyle a war reporter who told it like it was without the sanitization that has gone on since the “Shrub” started this quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:08 pmWhat a complete idiot this cretin is, can you imagine? Joe go stick your head way far up your butt, then you can get all the news you want from your colon.
Repukes are dicks.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:12 pmShayne,
I know. And Tucker Carlson is so “liberal” that MSNBC barely has him on anymore. Actually, he’s an incompetent doofus, but as soon as they let him go, he’ll get a job at FNC. I think the main reason that Pat Buchanan is still around is because Rachel Maddow loves to debate with him, and she would be sorry to see him go. And I still haven’t figured out the need to have a “Morning Joe” on their network, except as another foil for debating issues. But I like most fo the rest of their on-air staff.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:16 pm“You know, I liked back in World War I…..”
Joe sure ages well. Looks quite good for a 90 year old.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:20 pmIf only the American people knew what kind of ‘image of americans’ this stupid imbecil protrays outside the US…
January 11th, 2009 at 11:34 pm‘Heh, ya…like…um….reporters reporting is…like…bad….cuz, its like….um….bd for the country….to um….hear all that bringing down the troops stuff…it like endangers their lifes when they are like….um…..fighting for our freedoms.”
Yay! Go Joe!
January 11th, 2009 at 11:35 pmWell Wayne I work out of the house and keep MSNBC on all day and I can tell you there is lots of negatives on Democrats and Obama all day every day. It’s just more talking points.
January 11th, 2009 at 11:41 pmc’mon trolls, help
the plumber out…
DEFEND HIM!
:)
January 11th, 2009 at 11:44 pmDue to fast spreading stupidity, Joe the Plumber’s resume is now filled with many experiences:
A plumber.
Entrepreneur.
Political campaigner.
An author.
Overseas war correspondent.
And may be,may be…and I will not be surprised if it happens,
A Congressman..
January 11th, 2009 at 11:48 pmtarazan Says:
Due to fast spreading stupidity, Joe the Plumber’s resume is now filled with many experiences:
A plumber.
Entrepreneur.
Political campaigner.
An author.
Overseas war correspondent.
And may be,may be…and I will not be surprised if it happens,
A Congressman..
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you skipped over
sexual surrogate.
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January 11th, 2009 at 11:55 pmMapleStreet Says:
Joe sure ages well. Looks quite good for a 90 year old.
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Well, Shi’ite… this twit (Joe…) isn’t even old enough to have been around during WW ll. He must have gotten confused and is recalling scenes from his favorite John Wayne movies.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:04 amJoe the Plumber is actually a skin diver for Roto-Rooter.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:13 amI can’t help but wish one of the Hamas rockets would fly right up his ass.
what is he talking about??? please someone explain to me…
January 12th, 2009 at 12:22 amAs if Pajamas Media wasn’t ridiculous enough — they had to bring onboard Joe the F uckwit to prove it.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:25 amWell then Joe, you can come right home – oops!
Never mind, I’m sure there is plenty of work for a plumber on both sides of the festivities, and I’ll bet the licensing requirements aren’t as stiff as in Ohio.
Is your next stop a Syrian beach resort on the Mediterranean?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:28 amI’m sure the folks at Pajamas Media are proud of their decision to send WurzelWinchell to cover the conflict, and he repays them by stating his belief that he shouldn’t be there.
Money well spent, boys.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:29 amHasn’t this lying sack of dog poo had his 15 minutes already?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:34 amThe dude’s a joke—yank the plug on his mike already.
Plummerboy supports the right’s view of the way things should be 100%. They don’t understand even the idea of war reporters like Murrow or the best of the best, George Seldes. Anything that may let in the light of truth or reality must be opposed in conserv-o-world or the whole house of cards built on deception falls.
Information control is the bread and butter of the right. They have demonized any source of info that does not support their world view to the point where none of them will even listen to or read anything not on the approved list. They won’t entertain thoughts till such time as they are told it is OK by Rush/Fox/Coulter/O’reily/Sun Myung Moon. They all wait for orders from their handlers. This IS a form of information control and it is a huge mind control technique.
Rush has been conditioning them for 3 hours a day, five days a week for the last 20 years. Koresh did not condition his cult that much. Conservatism, as it is practiced today, is a huge national security issue but no one will face it. Many know it is a problem – when almost half the nation lives in a reality free zone in which they can EASILY be manipulated since they have been so effectively conditioned to do so – but no one will talk about it.
Obama would not even mention the fact that conservative ideology is at the root of our nation and the world’s problems.
The right’s “True Savior” has done what he intended with them and our nation. The right has been molded into his image. Now he’s doing what he did here to the rest of the planet but no one sees – right or left.
January 12th, 2009 at 12:47 amJerusalem: 3 Oct 2001 (IAP) — According to Israel radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael, [Shimon] Peres warned [Ariel] Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and “turn the US against us.”
At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”
January 12th, 2009 at 12:51 amShinning Light Says:
January 12th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Srsly, there’s only one “n” in Shining. Unless you’re shining light off your shins….
January 12th, 2009 at 12:52 amJoe has the right word there.The press has been responsible for leaking series of military secrets.Life of forces are endangered and many occassions reports are one sided.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:28 amLook at Israeli x Hamas report.The press keep telling the world Israel is killing civilians,meanwhile Hamas are the one responsible.The have not been reporting cases of over 3000 missiles fired against Israel.Its heart breaking no one even Un has ever made resolution against the missiles attack.The press have not LIVED UP TO EXPECTATIONS IN THIS WAR.JOE IS RIGHT!
barak2040,
Shut up, you f ucking sheep. Try thinking for yourself — if you can.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:30 amWhat are your expectations for the press, friend?
What military secrets have the press leaked?
January 12th, 2009 at 1:34 amJust as I suspected. barak2040 is a piss and run troll.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:08 ambarak2040 Says:
Joe has the right word there.The press has been responsible for leaking series of military secrets.
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What kind of military secrets? You mean, like outing a CIA agent working on WMD problems? That kind of military secret?
January 12th, 2009 at 2:11 amBut…but…but..but.but, Joe, you want to be a war reporter! If they ban people from reporting on the war—then you can’t—-oh, never mind, just forget it!
p.s.: But you do look mighty good for someone who remembers WWI.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:16 amThe soft bigotry of low expectations…
January 12th, 2009 at 2:18 amThe last I heard, the military was approving all stories. I don’t think that has changed. Whenever a war is lost, it is always due to the evil media/foreigners/Jews/communists/etc.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:19 amUp a little late, aren’t you Zooey? :)
January 12th, 2009 at 2:21 amThe media doesn’t report the rockets fired at Israel???
January 12th, 2009 at 2:23 amYou got to be *&^%$#@* me.
Yes, I am Keith. :-)
It’s not a school night — yet.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:24 amAs far as the media is concerned, Israel is the victim here. No Israeli blockade of Gaza, no indeed. Israel is totally helpless. Millions have been killed by Palestinian
January 12th, 2009 at 2:26 ampop gunsrockets…It’s 2:24 am and Yes it is a skool nite.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:28 amNot Pacific Time. :-)
January 12th, 2009 at 2:30 amOh, that’s right, I forgot. You’re one of those left coast elitists. Not like us real Amerikans. :)
January 12th, 2009 at 2:31 ambarak2040’s still pissed at Geraldo…
January 12th, 2009 at 2:32 am… The only problem is that Giraldo is a Conservative mouthpiece.
Keith, I thought you were a left coaster. You mean you’re not a commie pinko?
January 12th, 2009 at 2:35 amSssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
January 12th, 2009 at 2:37 amThat seems to be the big thing with the kids these days, huh, Zoo?
January 12th, 2009 at 2:37 amThe NoSuchAgency is listening
January 12th, 2009 at 2:40 amChafing!! It’s the newest, hottest thing!
January 12th, 2009 at 2:40 amI’m all about freedom of speech, exposing the truth…etc.
There is a limit that both sides cross… one side hides too much… preventing truth, justice, and their own crimes. The other side is more than willing to show everything… even at the cost of more lives due to the resultant anger. It usually doesn’t come down to what is or isn’t shown… but the timing.
I believe in completley free media, but not at the speed that the public acts before they have time to think… and I’m not sticking up for him… but I wonder if that’s what he was trying to say.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:42 amF uck the NoSuchAgency.
P.S. If I suddenly disappear, you can find me somewhere in Eastern Europe. I’ll be one of those with petechia from the waterboarding…
January 12th, 2009 at 2:43 amI had to google that one. You can get a yellow warbler from waterboarding?
January 12th, 2009 at 2:47 amWhat is thy bidding my master (Israeli propaganda machine)? Of course war should not be reported. I mean who the hell wants to hear about the genocide that’s going on in Palestine when we can sit on our comfortable couch and watch the NFL all day? I’d rather sip a cold one and not hear about another Israeli bomb hitting a school and killing innocent people…that would just ruin my day. Joe the Plumber, when you’re not being a tool for the warmongers, grab me another cold one will ya? Pretty please with sugar on top.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:48 amWhy do you wonder that? Did Joe the Plumber say something that led you toward that thought? Or are you perhaps projecting your own beliefs onto his incoherent gibberish?
‘Cause I didn’t see anything like what you suggested in Joe’s “report”.
Besides, you can’t say you believe in “completely free media” and then in the next breath start piling limitations on it. If you believe in “completely free media” then have the courage of that conviction, and recognize that it comes with a cost, and hopefully the benefit to a free society will outweigh the cost.
Otherwise, you don’t believe in “completely free media”, you believe in “relatively free media”. Big difference.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:48 amThat too. ;)
Petechia
January 12th, 2009 at 2:49 amushuia,
January 12th, 2009 at 2:50 amI think the people in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank know the destruction Israel inflicts. I don’t think they need the media to tell them. Did you know reporters have been banned from entering Gaza?
You could have Erythroblastosis fetalis, or Bolivian Hemorrhagic fever, but probably Rocky Mountain spotted fever.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:56 amOnly if I’m lucky….
January 12th, 2009 at 2:59 amFine ralph, I believe in “relatively free media”… happy?
But then… will you criticize my definition of that too?
Hiding the truth is flat out wrong. I’m just saying… free press can cause as just as many problems if they open the floodgates when the public is already at a tipping point. When it leads to public violence, riots, and angry mobs causing more deaths… how is that justified?
Before you decide to pick this apart though… just know im on your side.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:05 am165. Keith Says:
ushuia,
I think the people in Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank know the destruction Israel inflicts. I don’t think they need the media to tell them. Did you know reporters have been banned from entering Gaza?
Hey Keith,
Yes I know that. I think it’s wrong they don’t allow reporters… like I’m saying. I’m just not black and white on this issue, just posting my thoughts.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:08 am“Joe the Plumber” would make a good little fascist.
I will say this: if you are using “Joe the Plumber” for political inspiration, then you must be in a sorry, desperate shape. Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, the real name of “Joe the Plumber,” has an issue with honesty: the questions he aimed at Obama turned out be totally false. Heck, he isn’t even a real plumber, according to his work habits.
So why would anyone make a hero out of some lying bit player in the US 2008 election race? Is this some odd attempt at populism by the right-wing, to create a supposed “every man” hero out of Mr. Wurzelbacher?
I will tell you this: “Joe” surely doesn’t represent me, nor does he represent the millions of Americans who rejected and his right-wing buddies.
What sort of Sparta military state do some Americans desire, where the civilian structure is dominated by a military, authoritarian state? Where troops are not responsible for their actions when they do break US and civilian law, and any such violations are quickly buried by the military (which we have seen in more then one occasion).
We already have issues within the US government and the military with whistle blowers being intimated, reassigned, or fired from their position. Look what happened to the folks who reported the war profiteering by Halliburton and KBR?
Of course, to “Joe the Guy in Israel,” this is irrelevant, but what do you except from someone who’s as ignorant as this fellow?
January 12th, 2009 at 4:09 amYOU PEOPLE AREN’T ANY LESS IGNORANT THAN THE GUY “JOE THE PLUMBER” THAT YOU ARE BASHING, IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK……..OR WHAT “JTP” THINKS…………..THE MEDIA JEOPARDIZES EVERY SERVICE MAN IN COMBAT WHEN THEY TELL THE WHOLE WORLD WHAT OUR POSITION AND PLANS ARE. NO WONDER EVERYONE THINKS AMERICANS ARE IDIOTS, DAHHHHH! YOU SIT AT HOME IN YOUR NICE CUSHY LITTLE WORLD, WHILE SOME POOR SCHMUCK IS OUT THERE DEFENDING YOUR FREEDOM. I DON’T REALLY CARE IF YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST THE WAR OR RIGHT WING, LEFT WING, ETC. YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO THINKS LIKE YOU ARE TOTAL IDIOTS!
January 12th, 2009 at 4:34 amI AM SURE YOU WOULD NOT FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE IRRESPONSIBILITY OF THE MEDIA’S REPORTING, IF IT WERE YOUR KID WHO WAS THERE. ALL I CAN SAY IS THANK GOD MY KIDS ARE NOT THERE. WHEN YOU HAVE LOST ALL OF YOUR FREEDOM BECAUSE YOU REGARD THE SAFETY OF THOSE WHO FIGHT TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR FREEDOM, REMEMBER IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY TO ENDANGER OTHER PEOPLES LIVES. IF YOU ARE REALLY SO CONCERNED ABOUT WAR AND HOW TERRIBLE IT IS, AND HOW IT KILLS SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE…START LOOKING IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD. YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONE PULLING THE TRIGGER, BUT YOU BECOME AN ACCOMPLICE WHEN YOU CONDONE IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM! YOU CLAIM TO BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND FREEDOM FOR YOUR RIGHTS………..THOSE KIDS HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR RIGHTS SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. NO WONDER NO ONE RESPECTS US OR ANYTHING OUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR. WHY SHOULD THEY, IF YOU DON’T HAVE HAVE ANY SELF-RESPECT, PRIDE OR COURAGE? THERE IS AN OLD SAYING, “IF YOU DON’T STAND UP FOR SOMETHING…..YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING AND EVERTHING” SHAME ON YOU! P.S. I AM NOT A CONSSERVATIVE. I JUST DON’T LIKE STUPIDITY AND/OR IGNORANCE. HOWEVER, IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF IT TO GO AROUND. YOU ARE HYPOCRITES. IT IS NOT OKAY TO BE A CRAZY FANATICAL RIGHT WING NUT….IT’S JUST OKAY TO BE A CRAZY FANATICAL LEFT WING NUT. YOU PEOPLE NEED A LITTLE BALANCE. A LITTLE BIT OF RESPONSIBLE REPORTING IS A GOOD THING…….BUT ONLY IDIOTS TELL THE WHOLE WORLD WHAT THE HELL WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE PLAN TO DO AND WHERE WE ARE WHEN WE ARE IN A WAR. YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE OUT THERE BUCK NAKED WITH A SIGN ON YOU THAT SAYS. ” THIS WAY…COME AND GET ME”! QUIT THINKING LIKE A CHILD,GROW UP, AND START BEING RESPONSIBLE YOURSELVES!
yvdc17a Says:
YES we are less ignorant the Joe wishes he were a plumber. Just because YOU are stupider than a dustmite doesnt mean we are. Projection and stupidity are not your friend
January 12th, 2009 at 5:06 amHello Joe, what d’ya know?
Say Joe, haven’t you figured out YET that you were just a thing that the Republicans used to get some of the white, working class vote? I mean, seriously Joe, you were of no more use to them the moment they lost that election, at least until next time.
Believe me, Joe, other than that your Republican friends don’t care whether you live or die. When will you finally figure this out Joe, all you Joe’s out there?
January 12th, 2009 at 5:10 amJoe the Turd Wrangler,
Ok, We know Israel has banned the press from Gaza. You can’t trick us with this one. We know your intent is to give legitimacy to Israel’s excuse for banning the press. By the Way, that dirty trick “media gives away position” is lame dude.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:13 amyvdc17a Says:
Who cares?
January 12th, 2009 at 5:22 amYAWN :o
Does Sam Joe own anything other than T-shirts? I resent having to pretend that this idiot in anyway represent average America. Most of us have managed to get beyond glorified tradesman’s gopher by the time we hit our 40’s and are aware that it sort of appropriate to put a shirt and tie on when we know we are going to be on the television
January 12th, 2009 at 5:45 am“war is hell” so sayteh the able bodied man “joe the welfare queen notta plumber” who isn’t fighting in iraq nor has ever served in the military. classic.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:54 amPseudonym Says:
He thinks people would watch newsreel of war and be “excited and happy” for our troops? Believing military involvement is the right thing and being “excited and happy” that young Americans are being shot at and killed are 2 very different things.
The hypocrisy and the stupid hurts.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:58 amThe average, patriotic Republican has an overly romanticized view of war (and a great denial of reality).
Moron. Isn’t it his whole big deal this time that he went to Israel to report on the war?
Must not have liked what he saw.
Or more likely, he’s being used as a mouthpiece by those who don’t want the bloody atrocities in the news.
Maybe there are Israelis who are speaking out against the war and they’re being hidden.
For sure, there is some ulterior motive.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:09 amJoe, the floater that won’t flush.
January 12th, 2009 at 7:01 amyvdc17a Says:
YOU PEOPLE AREN’T ANY LESS IGNORANT THAN THE GUY “JOE THE PLUMBER” THAT YOU ARE BASHING, IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK……..OR WHAT “JTP” THINKS…………..THE MEDIA JEOPARDIZES EVERY SERVICE MAN IN COMBAT WHEN THEY TELL THE WHOLE WORLD WHAT OUR POSITION AND PLANS ARE…. [the rest is more nonsense]
Hey, Mr. 17A,
Nobody in their right mind is suggesting that the media report on where our soldiers are and what their missions are before they happen. But we Ldo want to know THE TRUTH about what is happening there, and that’s why you want independent media to go into the war zones and report. In case you haven’t noticed, our government has a well-documented history about lying to us about what our troops are doing in battle.
BTW, in case you forgot, it was Fox News Channel’s own Geraldo Rivera who famously drew a map in the sand on live television, telling the viewers about a secret supply line running alongside the path they told us they were taking. As a result of this irresponsible “reporting” (some would call it treason), the Pentagon asked that Geraldo be removed from Iraq, along with the only three other people they asked to leave Iraq, Saddam and his two sons. FNC used their connections at the White House to overrule the Pentagon, and Geraldo got to stay. We want the truth, but not when it endangers our troops. Conservatives don’t think like that.
And I’m much smarter than Joe the Non-Plumber.
January 12th, 2009 at 7:16 amyvdc17a,
ARE YOU STILL MAD AT GERALDO?
January 12th, 2009 at 7:41 amMy question for Joe the Port-o-Potty guy is:
January 12th, 2009 at 7:41 amYou were born on June 30,1968 you were 35 when the war started,now your only a few months shy of turning 40,
“Why aren’t you in uniform in either Iraq/Afgahn?”
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Why does Joe keep resurfacing like a turd that won’t flush?
Joe the plumber…
Joe the singer…
Joe the singer…
Joe the writer…
Joe the tax dodger…
Joe the war Pajama reporter…?
What’s the next resurfacing?
The Joe-N-Joe show? You know, Scarborough and Wurzelbacher?
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January 12th, 2009 at 7:54 amI think media should be abolished from reporting on Joe the Loser. There are far more important things going on in the world than the opinion of a failed idiot from Toledo, Ohio. I would rather hear Rosie O’Donnell’s thoughts on gay marriage than this nonsense. Find something worthy of reporting and get back to me!
January 12th, 2009 at 8:15 ami advise everyone to view zeigiest movement movie. then we will understand distractions like joe the plumber
January 12th, 2009 at 8:20 amSites like Think Progress and other progressive blogs should ask themselves, is it really worth giving this guy any more publicity? Why waste your time and our doing this? What’s the point. I’m sure there’s many more important things we could be blogging about.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:34 amWell he sure knows how to …… what was it he was……he was dropped in that circus for some reason.Was that where …….mmmmmm… oh well.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:39 amNever mind.
Seems like Joe the Plumber has been sniffing sewer gas for too long.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:39 amAwww, Joe loves right wing Hitler propaganda.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:40 amAs a european my knowledge about Joe the Plumber doesn’t go as far and deep as most of the people in this forum clearly appear to have. I guess he gets a pretty high coverage by the media there; But aside his sheer mediocrity one thing’s even scarier: we can’t help but to be astonished how americans let this smartless, talentless person become such a big deal in their media and everday lives, making whatever he says or does matter. His 15 minutes of fame won’t be over any time soon as, like it or not, he inspires you all much more to watch, hear and comment than the decent person out there. And while the dogs bark… the caravan passes.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:42 amWhy does the media find this guy to be newsworthy?
January 12th, 2009 at 8:46 amI can picture what John Stewart’s about to say tonight.
“Uh…Joe? You’re there AS A JOURNALIST! Why are YOU there?!”
January 12th, 2009 at 8:47 amHow about that he’s become a part of the media just to go and bash the media? Honestly, these neo-con morons are their own worst enemies. Every next word, of theirs, is a contradiction of the last. That is, so long as it makes a cohesive enough sentence to actually structure in to a contradiction.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:49 amDoes this guy have an education beyond 11th grade?
January 12th, 2009 at 8:53 am…Joe Plumber is exactly the reason why I am tortured to maintain a conservative mind–the fact the GOP will embrace this kind if imbecile as a poster boy for conservative values—an ill-educated loud mouth who parrots Limbaugh and Colter to the oohs and ahhs of the party faithful.
Get rid of the media in war? Restrain free speech and objective reporting? Forget about keeping the government honest?
Hey Joe, why don’t you throw in with the Terrorists….I hear they hate freedom too.
January 12th, 2009 at 8:54 amThis guy is the poster child for “there’s no cure for stupid”.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:02 amI know what’s wrong with “Joe”. He has tried to ingrate himself with the reporters in Israel and they are all treating him like what he is, a freak.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:03 amBAD JOE…go lay by your dish .
January 12th, 2009 at 9:04 amthis goes way beyond the idea that ‘joe’ ‘good ‘ol joe’ is just another average guy. as an argument for average this guy is an insult to the intelligence of truly average people. because this guy is a plant of some kind. since his face appeared on our screens we have been force fed new low after new low as far as new right wing tactics go. i mean he is not quite the bottom dweller of say rush or coulter but he may be a bottom dweller in training. the pure anti-intellectualism of his presentation is a scary and just bad portend for our future. pray this attempt to misinform the american public even more just goes away. he is the biggest fake, or maybe he’s the anti-christ?!?!??!
January 12th, 2009 at 9:06 amJoe who?
Not his name proper, or his occupation.
Got any REAL news?
January 12th, 2009 at 9:12 amI’ve another proposal:
No chickenhawks should be allowed to promote or defend militarism.
What a jack*ss.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:17 amGearing up for Palin/Wurzlebacher 2012.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:23 amJoe the Plumber is the archetype. Look at this ignorant man. He and those like him are the reason Bush had two terms. Jesus Christ, what a waste of oxygen.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:30 amPalin/Wurzelbacher 2012. Blagojevich for Secretary of State. Wow! What SNL could do with that!
January 12th, 2009 at 9:53 amI uh, believe that uh, we should uh,well uh,wait until joe uh,you know uh, comes around to the right way uh,well that is to say uh the correct way of thinking…(sounds a lot like someone else i’ve been listening to lately)
January 12th, 2009 at 10:23 amWait – isn’t this guy reporting on the war, as a journalist? So he doesn’t think anybody should do what he’s supposedly doing? So PJTV paid good money to fly him to Israel, where he immediately stated that he shouldn’t be doing what they paid him to do. Is he going on strike?
I’ve seen eight year olds with more coherent opinions. Of course, his blatant idiocy does explain his opinion on taxes.
His next report ought to be great – “This is Joe the Plumber, committing treason in Israel by reporting on things. Boy, I sure hope they outlaw what I’m doing real soon.”
In conclusion… PALIN / WURZELBACHER 2012!
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biggreenpea Says:
this goes way beyond the idea that ‘joe’ ‘good ‘ol joe’ is just another average guy. as an argument for average
this guy is an insult to the intelligence of truly average people.
He’s an average Republican, though.
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flex Says:
Joe the Fake Plumber is your typical lunatic extremist. Ignorant, big mouthed, morally bankrupt, highly opinionated and a natural born Liar.
Right. An average Republican.
Everybody who keeps saying he should be silenced should realize that you’re trying to help the GOP by doing so. This guy needs to be given as many soapboxes and bullhorns as they can find to feed him, if that’s the quality of his opinions. This is the guy they put in the forefront as their poster boy. He’s an imbecile. That’s good for us. Let him talk.
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Another Joe Says:
In fact, you can get flamed or even banned at most of these sites for pointing out the fact that none of these morons would be in the media if the dems had taken meaningful action against the criminality, looting, treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity.
The Dems don’t have the power to stop Republicans from saying stupid things.
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barak2040 Says:
Joe has the right word there.The press has been responsible for leaking series of military secrets.Life of forces are endangered and many occassions reports are one sided.
You mean, since Geraldo? We all know where the location of Gaza is whether they report it or not.
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barak2040 Says:
Look at Israeli x Hamas report.The press keep telling the world Israel is killing civilians,meanwhile Hamas are the one responsible.
I’m reminded of the big-sibling tactic of grabbing your little brother’s arm and doing a “why are you hitting yourself!” move over and over. Believe it or not, that’s actually Israeli ordnance being fired on those civilians. If you pull a trigger, the moral responsibility is yours and yours alone.
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barak2040 Says:
The have not been reporting cases of over 3000 missiles fired against Israel.
Obviously they have, since you and I both know about them.
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barak2040 Says:
Its heart breaking no one even Un has ever made resolution against the missiles attack.The press have not LIVED UP TO EXPECTATIONS IN THIS WAR.JOE IS RIGHT!
I’m not positive about this, but I don’t believe the U.N. has recognized Hamas as a member state. Therefore it can’t criticize them, as it doesn’t recognize their existence as a sovereign nation.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:25 amThis is good – we need “Joe the Dumber” to keep talking. That way, Americans will have a constant reminder of why we SHOULD NEVER vote for “Bush types” again. “Joe the Dumber” is a constant reminder of the last 8 years of ignorance and BS nonsense from Bush and his cronies.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:27 amJoe the Plumber is a typical Rovian media creation who currently is operating at the upper reaches of his sheep like competency scale.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:29 amAh, Joe the Dumber, can’t even do an interview without sounding stupid.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:37 amyvdc17a, your caps lock and no paragraphs nearly blinded me.
yvdc17a Says:
THE MEDIA JEOPARDIZES EVERY SERVICE MAN IN COMBAT WHEN THEY TELL THE WHOLE WORLD WHAT OUR POSITION AND PLANS ARE.
I think the last person to do that on a live feed was Geraldo. I believe he was reporting for FAUX News when he did that. So if you want to ban FAUX News from reporting… nah, I’d still disagree with that. But it’s tempting.
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yvdc17a Says:
WHILE SOME POOR SCHMUCK IS OUT THERE DEFENDING YOUR FREEDOM.
No American serviceman has fought to defend my freedom since 1945.
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yvdc17a Says:
YOU HAVE LOST ALL OF YOUR FREEDOM BECAUSE YOU REGARD THE SAFETY OF THOSE WHO FIGHT TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR FREEDOM
You mean, when I’ve lost all my freedom because people like you don’t believe we should have freedoms so we can better support the people who are fighting for our freedom?
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yvdc17a Says:
IF YOU ARE REALLY SO CONCERNED ABOUT WAR AND HOW TERRIBLE IT IS, AND HOW IT KILLS SO MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE…START LOOKING IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD.
Whew, I was worried there for a second. But I checked. Nope, no war in my back yard!
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yvdc17a Says:
YOU MAY NOT BE THE ONE PULLING THE TRIGGER, BUT YOU BECOME AN ACCOMPLICE WHEN YOU CONDONE IRRESPONSIBLE JOURNALISM!
Actually, journalists don’t start wars, politicians do.
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yvdc17a Says:
I AM NOT A CONSSERVATIVE.
Yes, you are. Your post pretty much defines it.
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yvdc17a Says:
I JUST DON’T LIKE STUPIDITY AND/OR IGNORANCE.
Yes, you do. Your post pretty much defines it.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:37 am“No American serviceman has fought to defend my freedom since 1945.”
Exactly.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:49 amThe reporting on the wars has been very limited!Not like years ago,seems they want us to see as little as possible.How much of the battles have we seen up close?It seems to me as years go on we get less and less information on many things.Bailouts should be for the tax payers who are losing there homes,jobs and also others in need as well.This plumber guy and many like him MAKES YOU WONDER WHY MANY COUNTRIES HATE US.We all need to speak up and take a stand soon just like this Moron has done.What happened to the country that was by the PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE.The working stiff is the backbone of America.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:52 amJoe the dumber is more like it, I believe it is our right to know what goes on in a war Joe. We cannot sit back and let violence continue in this world no matter who or where it happens. The innocent people in Gaza do not want to die in vain and with attitude like yours, that shows me that you are scared person. I respect our military, i come from a long line of vets from many of our wars and i thank them for what they have done to try and stop senseless war even if it was not on our land. Hey Joe, give peace a chance right, well how do we live with ourselves not knowing. I pray for a solution everyday and without the media informing me, I would not know where to direct my prayers.I am ashamed that people want to turn the other cheek and not pay attention to war in any country no matter how small or big it is. To the media of the world, keep up the good work and stop reporting what this clown Joe Plumber says..ignorance is not bliss Joe..get a heart
January 12th, 2009 at 10:52 amJoe the Fascist.
January 12th, 2009 at 10:57 amJoe the plumber is going to enjoy his fame for many years to come….He will be making the talk show circut, a ghost writer will write a bestseller for him….Instead of 40 thousand a year he will be pulling down 400 thousand at least. He can thank the Democrats who had such a good time at his expense and the liberal press…..Actors and Rap stars have opinions that the media just loves, but don’t ask the average Joe anything, it is automatic not valid…..Journalists are at the bottom of the scale right above lawyers and just under used car salesmen….
January 12th, 2009 at 10:59 amralph the wonder llama Says:
I’m thinking more along the lines of the final gasp of “Celebrity Rehab”.
Hmmmm. How about “Dancing With the Stars”…?
January 12th, 2009 at 11:02 amI just joined this so please excuse me to going off,but the news overage on these wars seems censored to the fullest.They seem to not want us see the reporting from the front lines,and the thousands of our men and woman killed serving sent home in caskets drapped with a american flags?I wonder how can someone who started this war with many lives lost,and many others that died could Sleep at night?This plummer guy had his chance to say to the world alot of great things,and maybe wake many of us up.This other guy Madoff steals 50 billion and is out on bail.I wonder when America will wake up and smell the coffee,not pay 4.00 for coffee.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:04 amJoe the Plumber should be abolished from commenting on anything other than what he really knows: Toilets!
January 12th, 2009 at 11:18 amJoe has a valid point about the mainstream media.they never give or show both sides of the story in whole truth,they only report in a way that advances their own personal liberal agenda to manipulate the public be it american or otherwise.my how fast they forget 9/11/01.the ignorance that is portrayed in most of these previous comments is certainly evident enough of the single-mindedness and ignorance that the liberal media has created!brainwashing at it`s finest!
January 12th, 2009 at 11:28 amCan you people not see the media bias in how they reported this? how many times in 3 minutes does Obama say, “uh” this or “uh” that.. and they dont print that.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:30 amJoe the plumber is a decent hard working American that never sought notariety…it was thrust on him by the media and a stupid socialist candidate that wants to take the hard earned money of successful Americans and give it to people that dont work!
OH MY GOD!!!! I am embarrassed to have the same passport as him. At least i no linger live in America.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:32 amYikes!
Thank You Joe,
Merci Joe, tu fais tellement rire les français (moi surtout) avec ton humour au second degré. J’espère que tu soutiendras le prochain candidat républicain car il aura besoin d’un conseiller géopolitique de ton calibre.
Merci encore
January 12th, 2009 at 11:39 amI love it when people, who virtually never read a book or anything other than headlines, talk about the “liberal” media, when virtually every news outlet is controlled by a conservative individual or corporation. Talk about being brainwashed! The media bias is conservative!!! While many of the reporters are left-leaning, the editorial content and choice of stories never present the far-left point of view? When was the last time you saw Noam Chomsky being interviewed? How about Gore Vidal?
So stop talking nonsense about the “liberal” media. That is a myth.
January 12th, 2009 at 11:47 amHahaha!
Joe the village idiot… will you please go away?
One thing is for sure with this dumb ass… he is consistent… coming up with new ways to stir the sh*t.
Uh, Joe, you and Carty, you know, both, uh, should be, um, banned from anymore, you know, public, um, speaking
January 12th, 2009 at 11:57 amfmoore Says:
“Joe the plumber is a decent hard working American that never sought notariety…”
“Notariety”?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pmWhat the hell is that, moron?
BTW, Wurzelwhatever is not a hard working american! he’s a good-for-nothing, shameless opportunist.
“a stupid socialist candidate that wants to take the hard earned money of successful Americans and give it to people that dont work!”
As opposed to giving it to corporations that were poorly run and failed?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, LOL
January 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pmJoe is just another example of the Library burning Radical Right using the Ann Coulters (and Joe Spigots) of the world to desensitize the public to the only-slightly-less-absurd-and-twisted spewing of their other talking heads. Soften us up with excruciatingly offensive comments so we are more accepting of the only really offensive comments, and then they can pull the “middle ground” way over to the right, where it has no business being…
Raystar:
January 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pmPlease show me how Sam Joe represents average.
Thanks
like, you know, I think Joe the Plumber and, uh, Sarah Palin should like be on t.v. every day of the seven day thing that has all the days in it.
any party that, like, uh, thinks these people are heroes is the sort of a, kind of a, uh…
what was I saying?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pmIs there anyone out there that likes our country?
January 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmWhy is it that having the freedom to express ones personal views no matter how popular or unpopular it seems to always come out as a cry for rebellion? Just because one has the ability the right to express ones view does not mean one should.
Freedom of speech freedom of the press does not mean that you can shout fire in a crowded theater.
The press has a right to report on any military action we take, if reporting on every little thing it sees is what it really wants to do well OK be dammed the repercussions.
Could you imagine the different out comes of World War I and or II would have been if only we had reported all of the horror and blood shed. I guess speaking German or Japanese wouldn’t be so bad.
Far right far left stuck in the middle conservative or not
Democrat or Republican as long as the press reports on and in bias of our own personal beliefs its all good wait we all have different views and beliefs.
Our U.S. Government has far too many secrets why not expose them all to everyone everywhere that means (everyone everywhere) the media has the right to report, the people have the Wright to know every thing don’t we should they?
Just as I have the right to say over 99% of you really believe in what you say (as ignorant as it may be) and it is I mean just look at your sources T.V neighbors newspapers so on no real first hand knowledge of your own just someone else’s opinions.
Just how critical is it that we report every little piece of right information and not just quantity.
Joe the plumber who’s to say he’s wrong you?
bgolderrr Says:
Sure sounds like the way Rush the Oxymoron told you ignorant punks to think Obama sounds. I guess you were stupid enough to think it made sense. Dont forget to get your mommy to help you cross the street. MORON.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pmsonny Says:
Sure that makes sense IF by showing both sides you mean adhereing strictly to rightwing propaganda. Otherwise it was just stupid.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:16 pmfmoore Says:
You are an idiot that has been programmed by your screechmonkey masters to take seriously one of the dumbest memes in recent human history that the media is liberally biased its ludicrous and you have to be an idiot to take it seriously but there are a bunch of you out there. So you guys got programmed to talk about Obamas verbal pauses this week. It is what the hivemind has instructed its dumbest morons to talk about. Yeah we have a President that is thoughtful when he speaks. Sure its a change from President Gump who couldnt put two coherent sentences together to save his life without a teleprompter but when you are actually THINKING while you speak, I know a foreign concept to you brainwashed hiveminders. I know you guys are incapable of higher brain function but it sometimes sounds like that. What a bunch of tools. Are you not embarassed that you are too stupid to even RECOGNIZE thinking?
January 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pmtorzan Says:
Just get back from Gaza did you? Your post was abject stupidity on parade. So we ought to HAVE free speech but we ought not to use it? Why did Thomas Jefferson say dissent is the highest form of patriotism? Why am I asking an ignorant piece of stupid like you questions that would require a functioning cerebral cortex to answer. I long for the days when morons like you were ashamed to be so stupid instead of parading your ignorance around so proudly.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:25 pmElBruce that beatdown was a thing of beauty. Thats gotta leave some bruises
January 12th, 2009 at 1:56 pmThe lowest Right-wing stereotype actualized right before your eyes.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pmEugene, I sense a lot of anger in you. :)
You are right, they have been programmed. But this is in the nature of things. I am outraged myself at what has been done to this country, to its Bill of Rights, and to the public and the public sphere of information. To address it, though, you need to aim your anger at something other than the trolls who have already been programmed.
Stalin was only half right when he said (at least according to legend), “It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes”.
Our Founding Fathers had the other main piece, when they specified protection for a Free Press because free press because “they realized that only a well-informed public can govern themselves.”
For the first part, look to the sudden and startling discrepancies between exit poll results (historically accurate to less than a single percentage point) and official poll results in say, the USA 2004 election. The Bush administration itself understood the accuracy of these exit polls and used the discrepancy between exit and official poll results to expose “election fraud that denied Viktor Yushchenko the presidency” in the 2004 Ukraine election. (But somehow these same discrepancies don’t mean anything in the United States elections.)
For the second part, look to the consolidation of mainstream media outlets that has occurred here in the USA, largely during the last decade, as well as the various studies that have been “lost” or “destroyed accidentally” BY THE FCC that showed how much this consolidation damages the ability of press media to give full and impartial coverage to stories of a political nature. Of course, these scandals were hardly even covered by the mainstream media.
If you want to make a difference, you need to aim at the voter tally corruption machines, and perhaps more crucially, at the “free” press which has been swallowed wholesale by radical conservative corporate interests. Arguing with pre-programmed republican trolls will not make a difference.
(Although I admit, it feels good :P )
January 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pmundertoe Says:
You assume facts not in evidence. I have no emotional investment in this I amuse myself. I consider returning the mudslinging of rightwingers to be a moral imperative. They need to GET that the days they had the exclusive franchise on personal attacks is over and if they want to fight in the mud some of us liberals will beat them there too but there is no anger at all in me when I post
As to the rest you are preaching to the chior. Certainly you dont think you are telling me anything I dont know and agree with do you? I could actually expand quite a bit on the media thing but that would be digressing. I do other things to change the world. I just entertain myself here.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pmEugeneDebs Says
Just get back from Gaza did you?
I believe you missed the point – you’re a prime example of what I believe torzan was saying.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:56 pmYou sound like an individual trying to hard go back to school
Just because you believe something doesn’t make it so.
After reading through these comments I to believe people just don’t get it BA BA BA little sheep.
Please accept my apologies then, EugeneDebs. ;)
(although I will point out that the republican talking points network is still far more advanced than that of the democrats, and that we still have much to repair…after all, even after the blatant ridiculousness of the mccain/palin campaign and the in-yer-face failure/implosion of the republican economic policies, there were still 45% of us who somehow thought they were the better platform. <:0 )
January 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pmUidiot;
I believe you missed the point – you’re a prime example of what I believe EugeneDebbs was saying.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pmYou sound like an individual trying too hard to believe your leaders are interested in your best interests.
Just because you believe something doesn’t make it so.
After reading through your comments I too believe you have been brainwashed into thinking that the Founding Fathers were only right when they didn’t conflict with your paranoid philosophy.
(note that I also corrected your spelling…)
It’s nice to see a bald headed white guy is dumber than five Miss South Carolina’s put together.
I’m sure JTB thinks the Constitution could be reworked so all those pesky amendments where the government stays out of your life can be gone in less than sixty seconds.
Honestly, this guy isn’t just right-wing loony. This guy is an authoritarian who would get along well with any military junta.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:25 pmJoe the Plumber sounds like a commie to me. Can you name me two commie countries who don’t allow reporters in time of war or violence acts in their homeland or territories? Answer:
1. China
2. Russia
I see that Joe the pucker has the mentality of your typical rabid right wing ignorant idiot, lol.
January 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pmPerhaps you didn’t understand I am a life long democrat and voted for Obama.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:03 pmYour thought process shows your ignorance.
Torzan I would like you to respond if you’re still online.
undertoe Says:
Stalin was only half right when he said (at least according to legend), “It’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes”.
Totally off topic, that’s never been found to be true (that Stalin said that) but I would think the way to dis/prove it is whether there’s a word in Russian that stands in like “counts” does to mean either “enumerates” or “matters.” If there isn’t, then he wouldn’t have said it. I highly doubt if Stalin ever crafted puns in English.
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Renel C Says:
Joe the Plumber sounds like a commie to me.
He’s a fascist, actually.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:17 pmUidiot:
“Your thought process shows your ignorance”
Oh I see. So you can dish it out but you can’t take it.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:36 pmPerhaps you missed the fact that the thought process I was posting was yours…
El Bruce;
I respect your posts, and agree with you that the quote about counting votes has never been found to be truly attributed to josef stalin. That’s why I said “according to legend”. I used the “quote” as a colorful lead-in to my argument about what the main areas of concern are in our current situation.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pmCould he atleast tuck the stupid f ucking t-shirt in? This crap is so absurd… If this represents average America, I want the hell out.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pmBy the way, Uidiot, I never said I was a democrat, I’m not. By “we” (as in “we have much to repair”), I meant
January 12th, 2009 at 4:55 pmA) Americans who value the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and
B) Americans who are sane
Uidiot Says:
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Oh good stupidity and projection in the same post. I just love the free clown shows.
EugeneDebs Says
Just get back from Gaza did you?
I believe you missed the point – you’re a prime example of what I believe torzan was saying.
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Sure because you are an idiot. He didnt HAVE a point. He took us to task for not having FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE and actually finding things out by reading newspapers and such sources now the topic is about Joe ISNTAPLUMBER being in GAZA so where did HE get HIS information on this? IF he didnt just come back from Gaza then IT isnt firsthand either. This is actually pretty simple stuff.
You sound like an individual trying to hard go back to school
Just because you believe something doesn’t make it so.
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Please attempt to maintain a minimum level of coherence in your posts. Was that supposed to make sense? I am trying to go back to school? YOU guys are the morons that continue to just make baseless assertions and pretend that makes them true. Look at the irony in this very statement. Is it TRUE that I am trying to go back to school? Did you attempt to read my mind? Was there anything NEARING a point? Things also dont become true because YOU say them or because the poster I responded to says them. Either I AM putting facts in my posts or giving my counter opinion to THEIR opinions. In THAT particular it is called logic. I suggest you brush up on it as it was so very obviously lacking in YOUR POST.
After reading through these comments I to believe people just don’t get it BA BA BA little sheep.
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Now the classic projection. It is the rightwing that are the sheeple. It isnt US that tunes in to radio screechmonkeys to find out what WE think. In fact the conventional wisdom about the left is we have a propensity for circular firing squads and the old saying is that trying to get liberals together on anything is like trying to herd cats. Put two liberals in a room you have at least three opinions but let me guess it sounded good when RUSH SAID IT RIGHT?
January 12th, 2009 at 5:41 pmundertoe Says:
Please accept my apologies then, EugeneDebs. ;)
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(although I will point out that the republican talking points network is still far more advanced than that of the democrats,
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Oh yeah. That is an understatement of massive proportions
January 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pmUidiot Says:
Perhaps you didn’t understand I am a life long democrat and voted for Obama.
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First is that supposed to make you immune to criticism for being a moron? I dont think it does. Second I find it hard to believe a lifelong Dem comes in here and calls others on the left sheep. Then again you are pretty dense.
Your thought process shows your ignorance.
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Your very nick is calling others idiots. Normally when someone starts off that way something monumentally stupid follows. You did not dissapoint. You are truly a moron of gargantuan dimensions. Good luck with that.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pmundertoe Says:
I am NOT a Democrat. I left the Democratic Party when they ran Joe Lieberman for VP. I figured they had taken liberals like me for granted about long enough.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:49 pmI, personally, think that faux janitors should be jailed to answer for the sewer lines job they botched in this country before they are allowed to apply their snakes to Republican ears abroad.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pmHey Saturday Night Live,
How about a whole evening dedicated to Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, AKA Joe the Faux Plumber.
Please. Please. Please.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pmHere’s a great exchange from Firedoglake giving an example of Joe’s “reporting.” It basically amounts to trolling people in person and forcing them to agree with you by giving them straw-man questions and then shouting “yes or no!” in their faces.
He might be pretty good with his own FAUX News show someday, but he ain’t doing anything like reporting. So I guess his thing about how reporting from war zones should be “abolished” isn’t as hypocritical as it seemed at first.
January 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pmFirst it was, “What are the Israelis people supposed to do?”
Then,
“I Think Media Should Be Abolished From, Uh, You Know, Reporting.”
Next, he’ll say: “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
January 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pmAs far as the media reporting what is there, they are reporting what they want you to see! Any one of you can go and listen to / watch news from another country over on that side of the world. I guarantee you what you get is not the same! I don’t trust the media, they are absolutely biased to the left.
Just Curious
January 12th, 2009 at 10:49 pmWhat would any of you do if you had to worry about missiles coming over into your neighborhood? Turn the other cheak? Maybe until one of your loved ones got blown up. Then what, sit back again and wait for another missile? Your all so wise, tell me this. If all the peace talking is irrelevant because the other side simply does not care. What do you do?
Well I probably would not send some total freak show to pretend that said dipshit might represent me or my opinion. After that I might ask myself some pretty serious questions about why my neighbor might feel the need to hurl missiles at my home…
January 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pmcsuka Says:
Just curious. Are you talking about the Israelis or the Palestinians? Or do ONLY the deaths of the Isrealis count and the Palestinians WOULDNT feel the same way. Yeah. What if all the peace talking spends 40 YEARS of one side refusing to follow international law and continuing to STEAL YOUR LAND and OPPRESS YOUR PEOPLE? People need more than safety they need dignity as much as air and water. Until Israel is willing to give some justice to the Palestinians as long as they continue to attack THEIR civilians. I am afraid the Palestinians will continue their vile terrorism against them. Both sides have to grow up and do what is necessary to bring peace. Israel has to cough up the land they have been illegally building settlements on. The Palestinians have to stop the vile practice of making war on civilians women and children. The whole situation is one big tragedy
January 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pmAnd I think scab untrained plumbers should be giving his undiciplined untrained niave opinions to himself and his close pals (like McCain, Hannity and Palin.
Joe, you weren’t neither old enough or born that you could watch news of WWI or WWII. As far as all “those people” with “all their” views.
Wecolme to the human race. You view doesn’t make it right nor the best opinion. Matter of fact it is a inexperienced one as well as uneducated.
Go back to schilling for republicans. They like to put you up as long as they think they can use you to connect with people like me.
Joe, you need a date with Ann Coulter.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:22 amWell, I might not be exact in what I know but last time I checked Israel did give land back. From what I read it was land the Palestinians were so eager to get back ( I am talking about the terrorists here ). What happened. The land was given back and still the missiles keep being fired. I agree with you that they both have to grow up. But, when you give and still get attacked what are you supposed to do Israel has only so much territory, they can’t give it all away.
Also, it is not Israels’ fault that the terrorists hide behind the civilians in Palestine. I do not believe that Israel purposely fires upon and kills civilians. Every conflict has civilian casualties, which is very unfortunte.
I would much prefer that conflicts would be resolved in a much more civilized way.
Human nature is not that way though.
Anywhere you look, even a simple look these days can cause a fight. People all over the world are stressed for whatever reason and will use any excuse to start a fight.
January 13th, 2009 at 8:27 amHahaha… What a moron. I think media should be aboloished from reporting on morons… and the economy… If we didn’t know about the recession then it wouldn’t exist! I mean, the media stays away from unicorns, right? And people just leave them alone!
January 13th, 2009 at 12:33 pmLividlib, I think I can answer the question you asked in post 227:
…I believe “Notariety” is the state of being a Notary Public…
January 14th, 2009 at 10:45 amAstounding! Truly baffling how some guy who hasn’t even got the license for the job he SAID he did (BTW Joe, hae you paid those taxes yet???), could, just because the GOP USED HIM, get a journalists job reporting on the war, LMAO! Never seen anything more ludicrous in my life.
This guy can barely string a sentence together, didn’t even know that Obama’s cuts would include him (not something one had to be brilliant to figure out, after all), sounds nearly as ignorant as Palin (OK fine, JUST AS IGNORANT!) and yet he has totally cashed in on his attempt to demonize Obama!
McCain and Palin: I hope your happy. NEITHER of you could get anywhere and yet this ignorant nothing is making big bucks and on his way to fame, AGAIN, LMAO! This is like a bad fantasy. Jokes on you two!
Hey Joe, hope you don’t accidentally get yourself blown up! After all, you have NO training and EVEN LESS business being anywhere near a war zone.
And BTW, “I” could answer 4x more questions about BOTH the war and politics than you ever could.
Who said lifes fair…….OR LOGICAL?!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pmAfter reading a few of the first comments posted here, I now understand how Barack Obama won the election. Calling people names, wishing them ill and dismissing them because they don’t say what you believe shows you don’t have any intelligent rebuke for their opinions. In WWI, the saying was “loose lips sinks ships”; that’s what Samuel “Joe” Wurzelbacher sees our media doing. He sees them as exposing our military men and women to further harm. Our media does not give positive reports on our military; they only give negative. They do not give them credit for the sacrifices they have made for all of us or the battles they have won. Have we been attacked here on the homeland since 9-11? Have YOU appreciated the fact that we have been safe; free to write the way you do; free to bash our President with obscenties that in Iraq would have had your head removed (actually it would take alot less than what has been said). Maybe someday you will appreciate Mr. Wurzelbacher’s first question to Mr. Obama. Maybe when Mr. Obama “spreads the wealth” and you have given 50% (or %70 as it was before President Reagan lowered the income tax rate) of your earnings to the government to spend how they see fit, as Mr. Obama wants to do, instead of you using it to provide for your own family, you will understand where Mr. Wurzelbacher is coming from, and you’ll understand his concerns. The trillion dollar ($1,000,000,000,000) “stimulus” plus the bailouts will have to be paid back; it will be the younger generation’s bill. Our fear is that Mr. Obama’s government spending will NOT help our Country; his ideas have put fear into the hearts of hard working Americans, who are the backbone of this Country, NOT the government! Our Congress has put less concern toward Mr. Geithner’s (Treasury Secretary appointment) $34,000.00 income tax debt than the disgust by the media of Mr. Wurzelbacher’s $1200.00 income tax debt. Mr. Wurzelbacher is just an ordinary citizen who asked a politician an important question, and Mr. Obama’s answer should have been the subject of conversation, NOT MR. WURZELBACHER! Another minus for our media, who should have done more questioning of Mr. Obama instead of so much campaigning for him.
January 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pmHey Joe I am A code officer where’s your permit
January 22nd, 2009 at 8:30 amsecound thought…set an example QUIT reporting from war zone idiot