ElBruce Says:

Robin Says:

Already done. In 24: Redemption, Jack Bauer is the one being tortured, and guess what? He gives false info, leading to his escape from capture…

Yeah, well I’m sure the wingnuts will explain to us that torture only works on brown people.

No need for the seemingly snide remark, I was only pointing out what could be called delicious irony… ; )

AlphaLiberal~
We agree- I just feel that the propaganda in this situation is all the ‘news’ and ‘comment’ shows that are pretending that there is an example to be followed in Jack Bauer.
And when we, who are opposed to torture, attack Kiefer Sutherland instead of attacking those who are misusing Jack Bauer we tacitly agree that to base your torture policy on a fictional character is a reasonable thing to do… and that’s silly.

Yeah. I didnt like the show the couple of times I watched it. That said I dont really think they are doing anything wrong with showing whatever fictional story they see fit. TV isnt required to deal with the big picture nor are they obligated to adhere even to logical outcomes. Its about entertainment. Now if the wingnuts who point to this FICTIONAL show would just GET that we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Uh, so have you watched any of the Jason Bourne movies when 24-like things are happening in those films, yet they don’t get a peep on TP? Do you happen to watch either of the Stargate TV series and the heavy and flattering rolls the military gets from the exposure? Yet no one questions the show’s producers on their direct ties the series’ has with the U.S. military itself…even in a time of war.

You expose upon this propaganda with 24, yet you can only give WWII references with your ties. 24 does not take a ham-fisted approach to this and if a lot of the bashers of the series would actually grade the series on the whole and not the parts, the writers have put in a lot of guilt and moral dilemmas that the actions of torture alone will bring, if not brought already.

This show has not ignored the subject matter that has become its burden and has engaged it in a quick matter. If you call that propaganda, I call horsesh!t. Hollywood uses torture in a lot of other shows and movies, namely graphic horror movies, and TP and other progressive sites will ignore those and still beat 24 like a mule for no better reason than it’s there.

If some people can’t put the blame on the real people who brought about this bleak era on this nation, don’t blame actors and other people in the entertainment industry in a McCarthy-like manner. It’s a TV show and if people don’t like it, they’ll decide that for themselves.

Thanks Ray. I didnt watch the show so I didnt know that. Essentially not only is Timmeh a moron he is also a liar. Check

Jack was going to jam a pen in this guys eye to get some information and … GUESS WHAT … the guy talked. With that information Jack was able to save more innocent lives.

Everyone else is savaging this statement on the merits, but I think someone ought to savage it on the facts: The guy didn’t talk; he didn’t get a chance to — he was killed by a sniper before he could say anything useful (that’s one of 24’s favorite pacing mechanisms).

Oh, and as of yet, no innocent lives have been saved so far this season, by that or any other piece of information. So Tim43’s statement is full of crap factually, as well.

Anyway, they learned nothing from that particular threat of torture that they didn’t already know going in; and the way they got to that point was through classical, passive data analysis — looking at reports, examining intelligence, and making connections.

And broadcasting TV shows showing torture as moral, useful and excusable is propaganda.

Putting an issue out there and then letting people debate over it appears to be the intent here, as it is with a lot of modern TV drama. It doesn’t seem to settle the “moral, useful and excusable” argument. Some characters are for it, others are against it. In one instance shown it helps, in another it doesn’t. Ultimately, the aim is to get people talking about it. Which we’re doing right now.

Comparing that to WWII propaganda radio broadcasts and “Triumph of the Will” is something of a strawman argument itself. Those do not attempt to promote two-sided discussion and debate, but instead to settle and quell it.

But, no-one said that, did they? Argue with strawmen much?

We know Kiefer Sutherland is an actor. And Leni Riefenstahl was an actress. And Tokyo Rose was a radio broadcaster. They’re not the same, exactly, but all are examples of propaganda used to further very bad policies. Propaganda matters.

And broadcasting TV shows showing torture as moral, useful and excusable is propaganda. Kiefer Sutherland is enriching himself in lending his craft to this cause.

Simple concept, really.

You are ignorant you are a coward, you are a punk. Who do YOU blame your abject stupidity on? Oh by the way moron you still cant read our minds and dont know anything about us. Your delusions in no way define reality.

My GOD you are ignorant.

http://explore.georgetown.edu/news/?ID=20647

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Wow, if these guys said it, it must be true. RIGGGGGHHHHTTTT!!!!!!
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It was a study done by interrogators and psychologists. What to EXPERTS know right? We ought to take the word of a souless moron that bullied his little brother. If we need any little kids tortured we will call on your expertise other than that I cant believe even someone as stupid as you thinks that is in any way relevant. You redefine stupid Timmeh