Inhofe: Browner Is A Secret Socialist Who Belongs To A Scary Group Called The Center for American Progress
Inhofe: Browner Is A Secret Socialist Who Belongs To A Scary Group Called The Center for American Progress
Appearing on Fox News this morning, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) peddled the emerging right-wing trope that Barack Obama’s White House energy and climate adviser Carol Browner is a secret socialist. The source of the right-wing paranoia is Browner’s brief participation in a group called the Socialist International’s Commission for a Sustainable World Society.
As the Wonk Room’s Brad Johnson explained in a thorough debunk, the Socialist International is a “worldwide organisation of social democratic, socialist and labour parties” from Albania to Zimbabwe, intended to foster global partnerships to confront issues like climate change. Its members include the center-left New Democratic Party of Canada, the center-left Israeli Labor Party, and the ruling Labour Party in Great Britain.
Nevertheless, following in the footsteps of the National Review, Glenn Beck, the Washington Times, and Drudge, Inhofe called Browner a “socialist.” But he delved even further into conspiracy-land:
I have other problems with Carol Browner. There’s another organization that a lot of people don’t realize — it’s called the Center for American Progress. This report that came out — this is the group that’s trying for the Fairness Doctrine. Trying to, I think, dramatically upend the First Amendment. And try to stop talk radio and talk TV from being conservative.
FOX: And she was a member of that group?
INHOFE: Yes, she was a member of that group. It’s called the Center for American Progress.
In one fell swoop, Inhofe characterized Browner, the Center for American Progress, and the authors of this blog as part of a grand socialist conspiracy. Watch it:
Inhofe was holding up a copy of a joint Center for American Progress and Free Press report on talk radio, entitled “The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio.” Inhofe might want to open it up and read what it says about the Fairness Doctrine. The report specifically does not call for reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.
A key author of the report said, “There is no need to return to the Fairness Doctrine.” Instead, the report argues, “Increasing ownership diversity [of radio stations], both in terms of the race/ethnicity and gender of owners, as well as the number of independent local owners, will lead to more diverse programming.”
Hewing to the baseless concerns of Rush Limbaugh, the right-wing spends an inordinate amount of time mobilizing opposition on a matter that the left has expressed little interest in pursuing. But don’t believe us — we’re all part of a socialist conspiracy!
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What an idiot.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:02 pmIt smells like VICTORY.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm(6 days left).
The righties have to pick fantasy fights, like the Fairness Doctrine, or the War on Christmas. Every real fight they've gotten into, they got their butts kicked royally.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pmYou want scary? American Enterprise Institue
THAT is scary......torturously scary....destructively scary!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:04 pmAAAAARRRRRG!
fear
January 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pmI'm ALL FOR the vast, left-wing conspiracy. Where does the line to sign up begin?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pmBe afraind Inhofe, be very afraid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pmI look forward to Inhofe trying to get away with this blather in the confirmation hearing itself, and the forthcoming pimpslap that Browner is going to put upside his misbegotten cranium.
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I don't know who these CAP people are, but they sound shady to me. Probably pinkos. Wait a sec... don't ACORNS have CAP's on top of them? Dunh dunh duuuuuuh!
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They should have realized that the Fairness Doctrine is just a feint in the ongoing War on Christmas anyway. We're also coming for your white women, so lock 'em up tight.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pmThis would be funny, if there weren't people out there who believe this nonsense and then make decisions based on it.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pmIt's even worse than Inhofe knows. Browner is a Communist! Look, the group she belonged to says it right in their name!
Socialist International’s Commission for a Sustainable World Society
January 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pmThis is just Inhofe, again, doing anything he can to paint Climate Change realists as radical socialist loons. Nothing we do or say will change him. But we can continue to point out that Inhofe has completely lost his marbles. FoxNews, on the other hand, will always give him a platform to spout nonsense.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pmBOOOoooOOOoooOOOOo!!!!!! We're scary, scary liberals and we're coming to get you!!!!!!
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January 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm*eyes rolling*
Inhofe is a clown.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pmrddaos Says:
hmmm…. affirmative action for radio stations. Yes, I can see how that would lead to more “diverse” programming.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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Yes, it would, as a matter of fact. More diversity in radio station ownership would lead to more diversity in radio content. Or would you rather have ClearChannel decide everything that's carried over the airwaves?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:16 pmMaybe Ihnofe and Bachmann and Bush have been kissing as they all seem to have a bad case of STUPID.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pmIn-hoe is a pig, with lipstick, and stockings....and diapers.
The Reichtards sure are all a-skurid, guess they are sore losers.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:19 pmIt's time for Inhofe to retire to the wonderful Free Market Nation of Iraq.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:22 pm"... we’re all part of a socialist conspiracy!"
and i'm PROUD to be a part of it too!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:24 pmWhat's the matter, Inhofe?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pmThe price of oil got you down?
Hey mods here's an idea,
Sell memberships to CAP for a donation to a progressive cause. Now that CAP is an established evil-liberal organization, Id LOVE to have a membership card hanging from my door to ward off Bob Novak.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pmOK, so we're socialists. Check. And Inhofe is against us. Check. Wouldn't that mean that Inhofe is antisocial? Check.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:28 pmInhofe belongs to an organization of retards. It is called the Republican party.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:34 pmThe Fairness Doctrine, why do I get the feeling that if it were the other way around and progressive talk radio out numbered conservative talk/hate radio 3 to 1, Inhofe, Limpballs and all of the knuckle dragging neanderthal republican trolls would be all be in support of it.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmI feel almost famous...Kate Hudson, get in here now!
Is Senator I'mOff aware of how many CAP staff have been placed in Obama's staffings?
Remember folks, this is the same clown who said his family has never had a homosexual or a divorce in it.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmWhat did you expect from the Fascist Party mouthpiece?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:40 pmLet's see, I've been an official, card-carrying member of the ACLU, a lifelong member of VVAW(Vietnam Veterans Against the War-for the uneducated), Vietnam Veterans of America(VVA), Veterans For Peace(VFP), Blue November(an activist group in Port Huron), among other organizations.
I need to pad my resume' further. Where do I sign up for the Communist Youth League?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:42 pmraynman Says:
This would be funny, if there weren’t people out there who believe this nonsense and then make decisions based on it.
It is funny, as the "decisions" these people make are of the caliber of which tooth to brush today, the left one or the right one.
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Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
The Fairness Doctrine, why do I get the feeling that if it were the other way around and progressive talk radio out numbered conservative talk/hate radio 3 to 1, Inhofe, Limpballs and all of the knuckle dragging neanderthal republican trolls would be all be in support of it.
Because it's f**king stupid. That's why they'd support it. That's typically all the reason they need.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pmectoendomezo Says:
Yep. I would like to add a qualifier: their definition of socialism MUST include specifics as to why it is such an evil thing to be avoided at all costs and not allowed in any measures (and then to explain how the socialist programs Americans do benefit from are not actually socialist).
I'm with the others: where do I sign up for this "vast left-wing conspiracy"? ... and will we have bake sales?
January 14th, 2009 at 12:46 pmdeebaser Says:
Sell memberships to CAP for a donation to a progressive cause.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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Whoa whoa whoa - "sell?" "SELL?"
May I remind you that we are all SECRET SOCIALISTS here? There'll be no selling of memberships or anything of the kind. Memberships will be bartered in exchange for soy-milk lattes and plates of vegan brownies perhaps, but not SOLD!
January 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pmYou're right, Comrade! I must have been brainwashed by the capitialist machine. I will report to the nearest secret re-education camp immediately.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pmBake sales oppress the proletariat! We must allow the state to seize the means of confectionary production!
January 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Memberships will be bartered in exchange for soy-milk lattes and plates of vegan brownies perhaps, but not SOLD!
Whoa there!!!!! Hold the phone!!! Is this a vegan Secret Socialist conspiracy? I wanted the carnivore socialist conspiracy.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pmYou want scary - how about the real culprits behind 911 - the PNAC fascists.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pmdeebaser Says:
Bake sales oppress the proletariat! We must allow the state to seize the means of confectionary production!
I... ummm... well....
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...I will follow your reccomendation and report immediately to the nearest secret re-education facility. Darn if this secret politicin' ain't hard stuff.....
January 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pmCageyCretin Says:
Whoa there!!!!! Hold the phone!!! Is this a vegan Secret Socialist conspiracy? I wanted the carnivore socialist conspiracy.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
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I think they're at DailyKOS. And the ovo-lacto-socialist conspiracy headquarters is Huffington. Now GET IT STRAIGHT!
January 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pmCageyCretin Says:
I’m with the others: where do I sign up for this “vast left-wing conspiracy”? … and will we have bake sales?
Bake sales are only to be held after we decriminalize marijuana.
Basically it's on an easter-egg at change.gov. Since right wingers barely know how to work interwebz, they'll never find it. First you give them all of your information, like everything, because as Liberals, we all trust the government to take care of us wisely. Once you're on the list, you just sit back and wait for that monthly government check to roll in, taken directly out of the account of one randomly selected Hard Working American (wink, wink) each month. It's a pretty sweet deal.
Here are some talking points to use on Republicans that you know, in case they complain about the forthcoming Socialist Revolution:
1) Conservatives are dumb, and Liberals are smart, so this system only establishes the appropriate food chain. Like cows, they can work hard to develop proteins, and we can take it from them as our natural right.
2) Once everyone is economically equal, we'll have more time to do important things like blog, and they can do all the labor or whatever it is those neanderthals enjoy. Drive trucks around moving things, and let us take care of more important concerns.
3) They don't need very much money. Since they have no taste, they can't appreciate luxury goods properly anyways. If you need me to draw you a picture, try to imagine Dubya discussing wine.
4) Obviously, given the ability to make choices for themselves, they have chosen monster trucks, McDonald's, and Sarah Palin. The privilege of freedom will now be revoked for the greater good. Seriously, who would you want arranging your life - you, or Obama? He's smarter than you anyways.
Be sure to share these arguments with every Republican you know. Remain glib and chipper while repeating them. Deflect any complaints - typically, "that's already been taken care of" is a good reply, because it lets them know that we've already worked out whatever they're blathering about in committee, and don't care. If they continue to argue, just turn around and leave as if they had vanished, or let your gaze fall on something more interesting, as a subtle and polite hint that they don't matter any more.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pmWait a minute. If we're all socialists who exactly is going to do the baking? Because I'm sure nobody works under socialism. Could we train chimps to do the baking? They're a lot like what they call "hard working conservatives".
January 14th, 2009 at 1:09 pmCageyCretin Says:
…I will follow your reccomendation and report immediately to the nearest secret re-education facility. Darn if this secret politicin’ ain’t hard stuff…..
January 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
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I suggest you get there quickly, before the cafeteria runs out of arugula and chardonnay.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pmglezzery Says:
And i suppose Progress and Thinking is something like “Inhofe is a pig”.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
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No, that's just a fact.
Now, please explain why socialism and/or sustainability are bad.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pmUh oh, glezzery has learned of our secret plan. Who wants to shred him?
January 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pmctcadguy Says:
You want scary - how about the real culprits behind 911 - the PNAC fascists.
Oh, now you see, you're just not thinking right-headed, there. See, PNAC is comprised of fiercely loyal neocons who want absolute rule of America so that they can lead the world through military and corporate might. They would NEVER EVER be involved in anything that would harm America, without a really good reason anyway. Collateral damage and all, you know. Unfortunate, but necessary to propell the propaganda and lead the world into the new age of American rulership over all living things and even space and (one day, they dream) time itself. For THEY and ONLY THEY know what is best for everyone in the world, and if everyone would just act like good slaves and do as they say, it would all be just fine, a utopia of golden parachutes which land softly on the broken bodies of the worthless workers who are ungrateful for the miserable lives of toil the corporate masters allow them to suffer until their ultimate demise. Some will rule, most will serve. Seig heil!!!!! Heil neocon! Heil republicans!!!! seig heil!!!!!
(Did I get a little carried away there? Sorry -- sugar rush.)
January 14th, 2009 at 1:14 pmIt's good to see our plans come to fruition. Uh oh, now RHF is going to accuse me of being anti gay again.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:14 pmI was born and raised in Oklahoma, lived there until 1998, and can tell you all with absolute certainty that James Inhofe is one of the top 5 stupidest people in the history of the world. He is also widely viewed by both Dems and the GOP as the dumbest member of congress, in both houses. Unfortunately, stupidity is in high demand these days with the leadership of the Republican party.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pmkpaul, we believe you.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pmglezzery Says:
Shred me with highbrow intelligent ideas like i’m a fascist pig or a corporate rat, or maybe glezzery is dumb-its a fact!...
You used 80 of your allotted words under the fairness doctrine for that? I recommend you try to be more concise in the future.
Also, report to the kitchens. There's baking to be done, so we have use for a conservative at present.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pmIf Inhofe is afraid of CAP that's a good thing!
January 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pmSenator Inhofe - try breaking the pills in half.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pmElbruce:
I'm there for THAT bake sale!
So... I'm getting confused, now. Is this a socialist conspiracy, or a communist conspiracy? With Elbruce's bake sale, I begin to wonder if it isn't a socialist communist hippie conspiracy (which is alright by me -- but I insist on having a daily shower. I can only take so much patchouli).
The talking appliance knows a lot about these secret societies..... hmmmm.... secret society.... talking toaster..... not.... ummm..... does the name Hubbard mean anything to you?..... (just kidding)....
...or is it more like "joe's Garage"?.... (no need to answer... just having fun).
January 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pmglezzery Says:
Yeah, i see your plan. Call everyone a pig, a fascist, a Nazi…
cause normal folks really like that sort of thing.
Poor glezzery has forgotten the right's howling "Anti-American" at all people from the left for the last 8 years. I suppose that was "normal folks" and now it's just bad people. LOL
January 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pmReread the top post and tell me again who's demonizing whom.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pmHop back over to FR if you want to bask in the 2 minute hate.
glezzery Says:
Progressives act more like Mussolini’s Black Turtlenecked goon squads or 1930’s Brownshirts, demonizing everything in their way.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
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In what way, exactly? By criticizing people for publically saying moronic and untrue things? I fail to see how this is in any way equivalent to a paramilitary group stamping out opposition groups through street fights and gang violence.
And, as I recall, the SA focused most of its anger on - guess who? Socialists.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:34 pmYeah, i see your plan. Call everyone a pig, a fascist, a Nazi…
cause normal folks really like that sort of thing.
Mr. Intellectual, or #50:
Gross generalization. First, I've seen no one call "everyone" a "fascist" or a "pig", just particular people, especially those making virulent "anti socialist" statements like Inhofe.
Second, define "normal".
January 14th, 2009 at 1:34 pmWhy do you feel the need to explain?
Who gives a rats ass what that pathetic old man has to say. And for the record I'd prefer a socialist to a fascist... quit explaining!
January 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pmglezzery Says:
well, now. This is a site where mainly left or progressive people post. It is biased and is meant to be. This topic (and others) does not rate a high level of discourse, therefore most of the comments are entirely or partially tongue in cheek 9that means, not serious).
The little you said does, however, seem to indicate that you are of the belief that socialsim is evil. Please explain, if you can. Define socialism, and include in that definition specific reasons as to the evil of the ideology. Also, how it cannot be used in conjunction with other ideololgies, and how we in America do not have anything that is socialist in structure (you will find that you do and will benefit from socialist programs here in the states). And you could include explaining how socialist type programs can't be introduced into America (again, noting that we already have some).
No single political system is perfect: none. And all fail miserably when they try to operate within pure ideology, because they all mis-calculate human nature at some point in their thinking, and most have basic flaws to begin with.
If you came here for a purely serious discussion, then you are in the wrong place.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pmOhh, so this is where the retarded leftist group think Bush Hate sociopathic support group meets?
Wait, aren't you the guy that was complaining about the level of discourse?
As your number of troglodytes continue to dwindle, have a great life projecting your neuroses on everyone you meet.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:43 pmMain Entry: nor·mal
Pronunciation: \?no?r-m?l\
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority
January 14th, 2009 at 1:43 pm2 : of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people
glezzery Says:
A billion people and Senator Inhofe is among the 5 stupidest people in the history of the world!??!
Statistically, chances are Zero, but nice invective and hyperbole. It suits you. LMAO
January 14th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
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1. There are more than 6 billion people in the world currently. Historically there have been quite a lot more than that.
2. Even using your math, 5/1,000,000,000 = 0.000000005. While that's a small number indeed, it is most certainly not zero.
Shall I assume, then, that you're just trying to get your name in the running for Stupidest Person in the History of the World #4? Cause you might have a shot.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pmshoeless Says:
Normal
1 : of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority
2 : of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people
Dude, that is hysterical.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:46 pmMost Right Wing Think Tanks are funded, overtly or covertly, by big Oil. Inhofe=Oklahoma=Oil interests. Enough said.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pmPredictably, the dumbass wingnut didn't get it.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:49 pmAnd thanks for clarifying that are against “virulent “anti socialist” statements.
How about the Constitution? Would you say that is virulent?
Of course not, nor is it anti socialist.
Are you unable to stay on track, or is throwing out more "red herrings"?
January 14th, 2009 at 1:49 pmglassyeyed - why do you find these things so funny? Have you been dipping into the sauce or something?
January 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pmglezzery Says:
And thanks for clarifying that are against “virulent “anti socialist” statements.
How about the Constitution? Would you say that is virulent?
January 14th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
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The Constitution is a document housed under several inches of bulletproof glass at the National Archives. It would be extremely unlikely for it to be even remotely pathogenic.
I also find it highly unlikely that it would be either pro-socialism or anti-socialism, as it describes the basic mechanics of a system of government rather than an economic system. However, it does enumerate in the Preamble and Article I several duties and powers to the federal government that would suggest a hands-on rather than a laissez-faire approach to economic policy.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:52 pmAre you unable to stay on track, or is throwing out more “red herrings”?
OOps. Should say "or just throwing out "red herrings".
January 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pmglezzery Says:
“0.000000005? Like i said, Zero.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
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Okay, so math's not your strong subject. Neither is social studies. Let's try science. Do you believe in evolution, or the intelligent design/creationism fairytale?
January 14th, 2009 at 1:55 pmShoeless says:
Predictably, the dumbass wingnut didn’t get it.
No, I don't think they teach irony in right wing home school.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:57 pmglezzery Says:
“absolute certainty that James Inhofe is one of the top 5 stupidest people in the history of the world.”
A billion people and Senator Inhofe is among the 5 stupidest people in the history of the world!??!
No, it's actually been scientifically confirmed. He set a record in the world trials, and then broke it again in the final competition. Also last year, Inhofe received the Nobel Stupid prize, "for unrelenting and awe-inspiring achievements in the area of moronic bugf**kery, and for having the temerity to consistently 'go full retard' in public discourse."
And the world population is 6.7 billion people at present. Although I understand that "a billion" means the same thing in conservative math.
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glezzery Says:
“well, now. This is a site where mainly left or progressive people post. It is biased and is meant to be. This topic (and others) does not rate a high level of discourse, therefore most of the comments are entirely or partially tongue in cheek 9that means, not serious).”
Ohh, so this is where the retarded leftist group think Bush Hate sociopathic support group meets?
I couldn't find the Babelfish English-to-Conservative setting, so I'll take your word for it that that's how the quoted statement translates.
Hey, you aren't trying to top Inhofe's achievement, are you?
Oh, I almost forgot: you're a Nazi fascist pig. Feel better now? Or does the naughty wingnut need to be punished some more? We aim to please.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pmglezzery,
You said:
"Ohh, so this is where the retarded leftist group think Bush Hate sociopathic support group meets?"
Your inability to structure a simple sentence would indicate that you my friend are the retard, now quit screwing your sister, get out of the trailer and get you some learning boy!
January 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
CageyCretin Says:
Whoa there!!!!! Hold the phone!!! Is this a vegan Secret Socialist conspiracy? I wanted the carnivore socialist conspiracy.
January 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
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I think they’re at DailyKOS. And the ovo-lacto-socialist conspiracy headquarters is Huffington. Now GET IT STRAIGHT!
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So many Secret Socialist Societies, so little time....
January 14th, 2009 at 1:59 pmDoes Inhofe know that he is on double secret probation?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:03 pmShayne Says:
Wait a minute. If we’re all socialists who exactly is going to do the baking? Because I’m sure nobody works under socialism. Could we train chimps to do the baking? They’re a lot like what they call “hard working conservatives”.
We can have the conservatives do the baking because they like authoritarianism and need to be told to be scared and what to do. But we'd need someone to pretend to be the boss. We could take turns.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:07 pmkpaul Says:
How does he keep getting re-elected?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:09 pmGleezzery,
what would joe the plumber say?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pmHow does he keep getting re-elected?
Retarded constituency
January 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pmglezzery Says:
“0.000000005? Like i said, Zero.
Between this and the "1 billion = 6.7 billion" thing, it's no wonder we don't let you people manage the economy any more.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pmInohofe doesn't have any of the gay in his family, or divorce, but he didn't say anything about serial incest, did he.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:15 pmmary Says:
glassyeyed - why do you find these things so funny? Have you been dipping into the sauce or something?
January 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
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I like his exercise program... it is January and one needs to get back in shape after the holidays.. (LMAO) But I would think that by now he has no *ss left at this point.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:15 pmAwwww, now, you big ol' commie-librul-pinko-socialist bullies! Quit picking on poor widdle glezzary!
It's not nice to conduct a battle of wits with the unarmed, you know?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pmLibertyLover,
January 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pmlol - wouldn't that be great if we could actually laugh off some of our ass? Not ALL of our ass mind you. Keep a little for something to grab onto!
Mary--
Too true!!
On the other hand, this does pre-suppose that we and glezzary are all talking about the same kind of *ss, which I just now am beginning to wonder about...
January 14th, 2009 at 2:31 pmMore like "Alice's Restaurant".
January 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pmAngry McAngus Says:
No, I don’t think they teach irony in right wing home school.
Sure they do: Irony: it's like bronzy and silvery, only its made of iron.
Silly McAngus.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pmShayne Says:
More like “Alice’s Restaurant”.
Awwwwww... is it my turn to pick up the garbage again?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:40 pmShayne Says:
More like “Alice’s Restaurant”.
I was soooo gonna say exactly that. CURSE YOU!!!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmOnly pick up a little "garbage" at a time, CageyCretin. We're not as young as we used to be.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pmElBruce, we're showing our age I believe.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pmglezzery, is humor like kryptonite to your people?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pmrocks911 Says:
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How does he keep getting re-elected?
Easy. He gay-baits the electorate, and they fall for it every time. He also throws in some Jesus, some guns, and some anti-abortion stuff. I mentioned that I don't live there anymore, right? Well, this is why.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pmglezzery Says:
I don’t know how folks go from regulating interstate commerce and promoting the “general” welfare to socialism?!?!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
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Nor do I. Please explain how you folks continually do so whenever you raise the false flag of socialism at every hint of government regulation of the market.
Here's a clue - regulation is not socialism.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:50 pmWhat does hands-on mean exactly? Like control?
Look what hands-off has done for us.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pmI just read through the rest of the comments. Jesus, people, when I typed the top 5 stupidest people crap it was meant to be over the top to make a point. Of course this was based on nothing...just me being sarcastic and the tedium squad latched right on to it.
To those who were offended, I say you were on here trolling around looking for any excuse, no matter how small, to become outraged.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pmRemember,
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pmglezzery Says:
Yeah, look at the Great Democrat Fannie Mae Scandal!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
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You can't look at something that doesn't exist. If you're referring to the global economic collapse caused by predatory lending, however, I think you'll find that it has very little to do with greatness, Democrats, or Fannie Mae. Try again, moron.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pmglezzery Says:
I didn’t raise any “false flags of socialism at every hint of” anything?!?!
I don’t see any posts where i call anything socialist?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/14/browner-inhofe/#comment-5426354
January 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pmIf you can't make it to Alice's Restaurant, I recommend the
ROAD KILL CAFE
cuz
You know it's good, because it's fresh off da hood
January 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pmYeah, look at the Great Democrat Fannie Mae Scandal!
You are funny. Not too smart, obviously, but funny.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pmIs this what the right-wing movement has come to? "Socialism is scary"?
*sigh*
The frank truth is that we do indeed need socialism! Most of our allies have adopted smart, socialist policies that make the lives of their citizens better, healthier and safer.
A nationalized health care system would eliminate the worries of the millions of Americans who current lack any health insurance. A nationalized energy company would reduce the fluctuation of prices, which most of the time are not the result of changes in supply but in manipulation of supply. A nationalized education system would allow every American who is capable to get an education through the post-graduate level without going into deep debt in order to do so.
We need more socialism and much less of the crap we have now.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pmPsst! Inhoffe - don't forget that Barak is a terrorist name and I hear that he may be black also.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pmUncle Ho Says:
Remember,
You can get anything you want, at Alice’s Restaurant.
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Two things: 1) Alice doesn't live there anymore and 2) the joint is closed.
Sadly.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:08 pmSilly wabbit. Doesn't he/she/it know that there is no such thing as a "free market."
January 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pmMarkets are only created by governments.
More like predatory home buying.
Yeah, I mean, all those predatory home buyers repacking their mortgages into grade A investments.
Once a fool, always a fool.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:15 pmglezzery Says:
"I think it’s just me having not the recognized the irony here."
You too funny!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pmGo to redstate.com where you would be seen as brilliant, here you are just a moron, and a boring one at that.
"Thanks for corroborating just how much trouble this country is in and how far we have decayed."
You're welcome.
The decay started eight years ago. I read in the Dallas Morning News the other day that it would take 40 consecutive years of the amount of surplus left by president Clinton in the federal coffers to break even from what that putz in the White House has left us. The worst president in our countries history. Why did it have to happen on my generations watch?
January 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pmrocks911
The decay started eight years ago...
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more like 28 years ago. It all began when Reagan stated that government was the problem...
WE ARE the GOVERNMENT in this country.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pmglezzery Says:
I don’t know how folks go from regulating interstate commerce and promoting the “general” welfare to socialism?!?!
Me neither. You guys are the ones who keep using that word. And yet, any two wingnuts will give you two different definitions of it.
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glezzery Says:
What does hands-on mean exactly? Like control?
Like, appropriate regulation and enforcement thereof.
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glezzery Says:
There is nothing in the Constitution that suggest the government control free markets.
There's that "promote the general welfare" thing you mentioned a second ago. Also, there's nothing there whatsoever to say that it shouldn't.
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glezzery Says:
Yeah, look at the Great Democrat Fannie Mae Scandal!
Breaking news, that was one of scores of majore financial institutions to fail at the same time. Sorry be the first one to inform you about the massive across-the-board crash in the mortgage and financial markets.
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glezzery Says:
More like predatory home buying.
This is what reasonable people refer to as "blaming the victim." It's what you Republicans do whenever you get caught: pull up your pants and whine that she was just asking for it. Quit sobbing on behalf of the (still) incredibly wealthy.
Basically, you've selected about 3% of the relevant facts, and are completely ignoring the other 97%.
Like bundling risk into Credit Default Swaps, so the holder didn't know what the buyer's position was, and therefore both sides were blind to their risk exposure. Like the fact that most financial corporations were simultaneously buying and selling CDS Protection, basically dumping money into betting up or down on the value of other people's assets. Like ratings agencies being paid by the people whose assets they were rating and - surprise, everything's just peachy! Like the fact that none of this was regulated, so all actors in the market had zero transparency or information about who they were connected to. Like the fact that the "everybody's doing it" mentality once again caused a full-on lemming situation, just as it did during S&L Deregulation and the Great Depression, both also caused by Republican control of government.
But let's look at the buyer side. How about all those "house flippers," so prevalent they were getting their own reality TV shows? Or the other reality TV shows about kids selling $5M houses for $8M? Or, real estate values inflated so much that people were paying twice what houses should have cost, at every level across the board? Remember the news reports about how people couldn't afford to move, and other people were dumping their life savings into second and third houses because homeownership was so lucrative? Everybody on both sides was betting that the continuing inflation in real estate equity would lift them out of being overleveraged. Clue: when everybody bets on the same thing at the same time, everybody loses.
First-time homeowners were responsible for about 4% of the failed mortgages, even less of the total value of holdings (since those were the cheapest houses). The rest was the usual Republican administration party time that we've seen over and over again.
Besides dude, if we knew we could take down the Man and his entire corporate system just by taking out a few risky mortgages, we'd have done it in the 70's!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm* The President set a goal to increase the number of minority homeowners by 5.5 million families by the end of the decade. Through his homeownership challenge, the President called on the private sector to help in this effort. More than two dozen companies and organizations have made commitments to increase minority homeownership - including pledges to provide more than $1.1 trillion in mortgage purchases for minority homebuyers this decade.
* President Bush signed the $200 million-per-year American Dream Downpayment Act which will help approximately 40,000 families each year with their downpayment and closing costs.
* The Administration proposed the Zero-Downpayment Initiative to allow the Federal Housing Administration to insure mortgages for first-time homebuyers without a downpayment.
This administration is responsible. and Most Especially. Phil Gramm... who wrote the laws that took away the regulations that prevented predatory lending..
Sure there were people that got in over their heads and borrowed over their limits, but without banks' greed, it never could have happened.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pmOh yeah, I totally forgot to mention Bush's "ownership society" drive, if you really want to blame first-time homeowners.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:03 pmglezzery borden had an axe
January 14th, 2009 at 4:04 pmshe gave her mother 40 wacks
when she saw what she had done
she gave her father forty-one
rddaos Says:
hmmm…. affirmative action for radio stations. Yes, I can see how that would lead to more “diverse” programming.
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We OWN the airwaves they are a PUBLIC resource. They are supposed to perform a public service in return for allowing them to make obscene buttloads of money off of OUR resource. Whatever democratic decision we make on how to efficiently get that public service return is certainly our RIGHT. The right of some corporation to make all the money they can certainly does NOT trump our rights of ownership and return of service on OUR resource.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pmI think this new troll, glezzery is fricken' hilarious and he is proving the statement " It is better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
Thanks glezzery, now we have no doubt about you at all.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pmglezzery Says:
Well OK if you insist. You ARE stupid. You are a moron and we thank you for parading your moronity around like a spoiled child begging us to attack you. I dont really know why you would expect us to read you call us brownshirt Fascists and then be kind to you. I mean you really do HAVE to be stupid to call us names then beg us to attack you then in some bizzare indication that you need the help of a mental health professional tell us you like it when liberals are nice or when they WERE nice. Did you mean you thought it was a much better time when Liberals just TOOK the insults and personal attacks of your spokesdemons like Annie Gangleskank Coulter, Micheal Weinerdog Savage who ALSO called liberals brownshirts or the Oxymoron Limbaugh who does little else besides denigrating liberals and we DIDNT fight back? Perhaps those were the good old days for you. I dont think they did the left any good. I also dont think you have the good sense God gave the common dog. Good luck with running around begging people to attack you then whining you were attacked. I am not sure what it is supposed to prove but it takes all kinds.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pmAnd then blame everything on Bush.
Gee I thought Bush and right wingers had control of all branches of the government for 6 years.
Why is it that right wingers never hold Republicans accountable and then somehow think left wingers have the same attitude towards Democrats? I would be just as horrified by what has happened in the last 8 years had it been a Democratic controlled government. Of course it wasn't. So what, you still want me to blame the Democrats?
January 14th, 2009 at 4:26 pmglezzery Says:
Ohh, so this is where the retarded leftist group think Bush Hate sociopathic support group meets?
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I am not sure what kind of trollwork you are attempting here. You already established that you were incredibly stupid. You already begged us to attack you to prove some point that only those as intellectually challenged as you and your shortbus crowd could possibly understand. You came armed with the usual talking points that were programmed into you by those who do your thinking for you. I never saw Bush mentioned at all it is however incumbent on the brainwashed morons like YOU to talk about liberal hate as you were TOLD to think that. You are far more conditioned than any of Pavlovs dogs ever were. You call us names then beg us to attack YOU then even though you got mostly reasonable responsed keep pretending that the response you HOPED for is the one you got. I mean we already know you are stupid. You have proven you are stupid. You are apparantly unduly PROUD of how stupid you are. It really isnt our fault you are stupid. I dont know what else besides proudly parading your stupidity that your continued stupid posts are supposed to prove but really it will only prove it to your monumentally substandard brain. Please get help immediatly. I know that usually stupid isnt a terminal illness but in YOUR case it might be severe enough that you forget to breathe.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmAnd then blame everything on Bush.
Nope I blame:
Milton Friedman, Hayek, Burke, Locke…
Bush just put their stupid libertarian/elitist/ruling class BS into action.
Funny thing is, their policies run totally counter to democracy. And since you seem to be a Randian.... there has never been a successful society based on free market ideas. Not one. They all fail.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pmglezzery Says:
And look up Clinton home ownership push.
And read the recent history of Fannie Mae.
And see who is at the helm of the banks, GSEs, investment firms and look into their party affiliation.
Then Google Fannie Mae.
Studies have already shown that Fannie and Freddie's policies had little to do with the mortgage meltdown.
You really should stay better informed if you're going to talk like an "authority."
January 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pmglezzery Says:
I am sorry I could not read anymore of your posts. My eyes started bleeding from the stupid in the last one and my braincells were screaming THE STUPID, THE STUPID IT HURTS while they were begging for the sweet release of a coma
January 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pmDid you know Socialism isn’t concerned with Liberty, but Equality.
Liberty is linked to equality, silly.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pmNow the problem with socialism is what?
January 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pmI would love to have a sit down discussion with you, but you obviously have had your head filled with nonsense. And make assumptions about people that you know nothing about.
Yes, zero down is predatory, if the person borrowing cannot sustain the house payments because they don't have the income to support it. And if and when the housing bubble burst from all the speculators in the marketplace, and they end up upside down in their homes and cannot make the payment or refinance... it makes it SO much easier to walk away from the house if they have NOTHING invested in it.
But never mind, I will not convince you of anything and I have certainly heard all of your arguments before.
Peace out.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pmWhy are private property rights better than communal property? Well I'd rather move to Norway but it is more of a climate and cultural thing but Britain would be okay for awhile. Ilike travel. So am I to believe the Brits have been enslaved?
January 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm"The fact the government is not smart enough to control things."
Especially one that is for the people and by the people? I wonder why we let them run the wars?
January 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pmLike I said ... Libertarian/ Randian BS.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pmDo you know any Brits? How about French, Finnish, Norweigian, Swedish, and so on... Now about this whole bailout shit? Socialism?
January 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pmglezzery Says:
Yeah, i always seem to have that effect on progressives, almost uniformly.
I have seen their heads literally explode!
And i don’t mean to.
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Sure you do. You are a troll. You didnt come in here to talk, you came here to attack and provoke us like the stupid little troll you are. I cant be the first liberal to tell you that we dont respond well to massive doses of stupidity. It is well known and you obviously have nothing else to offer.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmOh, and in America.... We are the Government.
I remember a time before Reagan when the people believed in their government.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmWe can do things as a government that we cannot do individually.
No but I teach them... So why is private property a good thing. How does it benefit the social group?
January 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmIf it doesn't benefit the social group and by are very phylogeny we are social creatures, it seems that that which benefits the social group is that which is preferrred.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:02 pmWhy be against wall st greed. Is that not the efforts of some to obtain more at the expense of the social group. Is it greed for the Wall St biggie to own more private property?
January 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pm"This notion that we should love our government is anti-American"
Odd that some would than claim that you have to wear a stupid lapel pin and pledge flags, and do all sort of weird shit like that...
January 14th, 2009 at 5:07 pmglezzery Says:
Maybe folks should look up ...
It's so cute after people you're arguing with demonstrate thorough command of the facts and understanding of the situation, all you wingnuts have left is telling us to go read stuff - as if we're the ones demonstrating ignorance here! Like I said before, you're relying on about 3% of the available facts, and ignoring the other 97%. But I'm not going to be your personal librarian and tell you where to go find them out, because I've already got you pegged as being "intellectually incurious," to put it politely.
"Maybe you should go look up X, Y and Z" is not an argument. It's a punt.
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glezzery Says:
So far today, i have learned that ... i/m an idiot.
OK
Glad to be of service, that's what TP is here for. Feel free to come back again when you start to question your sexuality!
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glezzery Says:
You are a horribly confused individual. Your Nick is LibertyLover yet you are a Marxist.
If you're not a Randian, you're a Marxist?
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glezzery Says:
Did you know Socialism isn’t concerned with Liberty, but Equality.
No, but if you hum a few bars, I can fake it.
/groucho
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glezzery Says:
“Now the problem with socialism is what?”
1. Private Property Rights.
2. State control of everything.
3. Its murderous history.
4. It’s enslavement of whole poulations.
5. Its economic unfeasibility.
6. The fact the government is not smart enough to control things.
7. Bread lines…
8. Also, that little thing called a Republic?!?!
(numbering added by me for responses)
1. Private property exists under socialism. As with all guaranteed rights, it's a minimum limit beyond which the state can't transgress, not a maximal principle.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:08 pm2. That's "dictatorship," not "socialism."
3. Yeah, those damn brutal Swiss... Actually, every belief system, whether economic, religious or otherwise, has a long murderous history with the body count in the millions.
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5. How's that unregulated free market working out lately? Nah, that's unfair. Let's look at another period instead, say, the Great Depression, also caused by unregulated free markets?
6. That's because sometimes we keep electing Republicans. Once we stop doing that and start electing smart people, things will be much better.
7. What do you have against bread? You mean those bread lines they had in the Great Depression? The one caused by unregulated free markets?
8. Tell you what, before we go any further, could I have your definition of Socialism? Because I'm not sure I understand what you think it is. Sounds like you have it mixed up with gonorrhea or something.
Ah by social group, I mean the species...
January 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pmIs this another one of those weird deals where someone simultaneously preaches how great the USA is while explaining how bad the government is. I love that...
January 14th, 2009 at 5:12 pm178
January 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pmHow so? And if so why can't I drive drunk?
ElBruce you are da man!
January 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pm"Being proud of one’s country doesn’t mean you are proud of your government."
What does it mean?
January 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pmdbadass Says:
Is this another one of those weird deals where someone simultaneously preaches how great the USA is while explaining how bad the government is. I love that…
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And anyone who doesn't believe the way that it does is wrong. Nothing in between.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pmdbadass Says:
Why are private property rights better than communal property?
Maybe it depends on what you're talking about. By the way, who owns the roads?
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glezzery Says:
Please post studies that show Fannie Mae is not central to the current meltdown.
Please post a study proving that you are not a four piece dinette set. There's a thing called "burden of proof." If you make a specific claim, you should provide supporting evidence, not just throw crap out there and then demand we disprove it.
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glezzery Says:
Thats what State Fairs are for.
Congratulations, my head just literally exploded.
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glezzery Says:
go to ... an AA meeting.
You first, buddy. Sounds like you need it more than me.
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glezzery Says:
This notion that we should love our government is anti-American.
Being pro-America is anti-American. Umm... up is down? How are we communicating with your universe? Are you connecting to the Internet through some kind of singularity?
January 14th, 2009 at 5:16 pmThere was a time when my Republican ancestors hated
So you come by it naturally, huh? Never questioning the party line or what other authoritarians have told you. Probably are a wasp and never experienced any sort of discrimination as well, huh?
January 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pmGlezzary sez: I KNOW YOU ARE - BUT WHAT AM I???
Jebus. The stupid is strong in this one.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pmglezzery Says:
Being proud of one’s country doesn’t mean you are proud of your government.
Yeah, the central portion of Northern America is the greatest geographically defined region in the world! WOOOO!
January 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pmCan you tell me why I can not drive drunk or can't you?
January 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pmI have yet to see the case made for why private property rights are preferred. Just saying things does not make them so. Each is welcome to an opinion but please do not state such as if they are facts unless you wish to make your case.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pmWhat benefits the social group of the human species is individual rights.
Uh, oh, sounds a little liberal.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:17 pmglezzery Says:
The states.
This an argument against Private Property in general?!?!
Nope. I don't believe there shouldn't be private property. Just that some types of human endeavor are in the public interest. Some property should be public, because no private entity is incentived to develop it. Assets held by the state constitutes public property. Roads are extremely useful to many private entities because they help them transport goods and services. But they're not useful enough to any one private entity for it to assume the cost and risk involved to create them. Therefore, either the state must develop a road system, or there will be no road system, and therefore a vastly poorer economy. Your argument favors the latter option.
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glezzery Says:
Exactly. Someone said studies show Fannie Mae is not the central cause of…
so i asked for burden of proof.
If you asking for proof it is, it is forthcoming.
It's not a "who asked first?" situation. The extroardinary claim is the one that requires proof. An "extraordinary claim" would be a positive statement, such as that a given single specific agency was the cause of the financial meltdown.
For example, if I say that the meltdown was not caused by UFO's, I shouldn't have to prove it to you. If you then claimed that it was, you should have to prove that.
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glezzery Says:
Whatever.
Oh, SNAP, Miss Thang!
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glezzery Says:
Government EQUALS Country!??! Nonsense.
Do you have to love Communism to love Russia?
Good Luck with that notion.
"Country" consists of: geographic region, government, culture and history. What is it that you love? You may have to think about that for a while, but we can wait.
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glezzery Says:
Skepticism of and freedom from intrusive government is the bedrock of America.
Am i wrong here? and if i am, let’s hear it lmao.
That statement sounds pretty good to me.
Hey, even the Left has a strong tradition of "question authority." But that's not the same thing at all as hating all government, or believing it's useless, etc.
Freedom from intrusive government is the basis of many if not most of our Democratic institutions. But that's not the same thing at all as hating all government, or believing it's useless, etc.
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In general, you seem to be using a dialectic approach which presupposes that either we must have the most liberty possible or fall under the sway of a completely intrusive dictatorship. I submit that these are not the only two options, and in fact that neither option has ever really worked for anybody.
A maximal concept of liberty actually has a name in political discussion: it's called "Anarchy." You are arguing for Anarchy, but only in the area of property rights - basically, economic anarchy.
The rest of us are merely pointing out that there is a degree to which the rule of law should govern economic transactions, and also that certain human endeavors should be undertaken publicly, rather than leave everything to individual interests all the time, no matter what.
That's a far cry from immediately jumping to the opposite end of the scale and insisting that unless there is no government, we're all crushed beneath the thumb a brutal Soviet-style system.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pmYou’re [sic] individual rights end where they put others at risk.
So you will admit to a concept of the "common good"?
January 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pmButt
January 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmDammit, Angry McAngus broke my combo.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pmSo than I am also not free to pollute that private property by pooring my dirty motor oil in the back yard right?
Now as to recreational drug use, gay marriage, and assisted suicide. how come the great nation of individual rights isn't really holding up the bargain on that shit either?
January 14th, 2009 at 6:27 pmElBruce Says:
Dammit, Angry McAngus broke my combo.
Sorry, mon, didn't see it coming. :)
January 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pmdbadass Says:
Now as to recreational drug use, gay marriage, and assisted suicide. how come the great nation of individual rights isn’t really holding up the bargain on that shit either?
Because when you get high, have gay sex and/or help someone end their life with dignity, you may not realize it, but you're actually infringing on the religious rights of people who believe as an article of their faith that you don't get to do those things. Violation of religious freedom ain't cool, man.
;)
January 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pmThe RepubliCon Inhofe is an A$$wipe for Big OIL, enough said.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pmSo one the wonders on all things nonSocialistic why do those nations up there in the cold seems to do so much better on so many indicators of quality of life?
January 14th, 2009 at 7:10 pmSo why do I not have the individual right to end my life. Your whole premise resides on individual freedoms doesn't it. Now how the hell is not being jailed because you are homosexual related to not being allowed to marry in the very place you claim to be based upon individual freedoms? Am I forced to call bullshit?
January 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pmInhofe is an insufferable ass.
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January 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pmYour Nick is LibertyLover yet you are a Marxist
Please. I am closer to a Democratic Socialist like one might find in Sweden or Finland. You can't paint me with that brush.
I happen to like socialism as it applies to oh, say, roads, and police departments and fire departments and the post office. To me, that is the common good.
And although many years ago, your ancestors hated FDR, he kinda saved capitalism from itself and the cancer stage where unregulated greed caused the First Republican Great Depression...(ooh, and built the interstate road system, to boot) Hopefully the Second great Republican Depression will not be as bad as the first, but since we don't have manufacturing jobs in this country anymore... it could be a tough sell. Guess we'll just have to rely on what worked for thousands of years before Reagan got into office... raise wages to a living wage, so we can buy more goods and services, so we can increase demand for things so we can produce things, so we can create more jobs.
I love a good tax break just like anyone else, but it only puts money in my pocket. It doesn't create jobs. Never did, never will.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:05 amAnd what exaclty is wrong with socialism? After 25 years of failed Reaganomics (the top 5% of Americans owning or controlling some 90% of American's wealth) socialism is looking really good these days.
January 15th, 2009 at 2:18 am... What with the "liberal press" being so biased --- why aren't the republicans clamoring for some Fairness Doctrine?
January 15th, 2009 at 3:55 amI couldn't get excited about this election... I think we are in a mess. I hope God will help us. Obama is just a man.. black, white etc.
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