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Please. I am closer to a Democratic Socialist like one might find in Sweden or Finland. You can’t paint me with that brush.

I happen to like socialism as it applies to oh, say, roads, and police departments and fire departments and the post office. To me, that is the common good.

And although many years ago, your ancestors hated FDR, he kinda saved capitalism from itself and the cancer stage where unregulated greed caused the First Republican Great Depression…(ooh, and built the interstate road system, to boot) Hopefully the Second great Republican Depression will not be as bad as the first, but since we don’t have manufacturing jobs in this country anymore… it could be a tough sell. Guess we’ll just have to rely on what worked for thousands of years before Reagan got into office… raise wages to a living wage, so we can buy more goods and services, so we can increase demand for things so we can produce things, so we can create more jobs.

I love a good tax break just like anyone else, but it only puts money in my pocket. It doesn’t create jobs. Never did, never will.

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Now as to recreational drug use, gay marriage, and assisted suicide. how come the great nation of individual rights isn’t really holding up the bargain on that shit either?

Because when you get high, have gay sex and/or help someone end their life with dignity, you may not realize it, but you’re actually infringing on the religious rights of people who believe as an article of their faith that you don’t get to do those things. Violation of religious freedom ain’t cool, man.

;)

Dammit, Angry McAngus broke my combo.

Sorry, mon, didn’t see it coming. :)

Now as to recreational drug use, gay marriage, and assisted suicide. how come the great nation of individual rights isn’t really holding up the bargain on that shit either?

So you will admit to a concept of the “common good”?

The states.
This an argument against Private Property in general?!?!

Nope. I don’t believe there shouldn’t be private property. Just that some types of human endeavor are in the public interest. Some property should be public, because no private entity is incentived to develop it. Assets held by the state constitutes public property. Roads are extremely useful to many private entities because they help them transport goods and services. But they’re not useful enough to any one private entity for it to assume the cost and risk involved to create them. Therefore, either the state must develop a road system, or there will be no road system, and therefore a vastly poorer economy. Your argument favors the latter option.

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glezzery Says:

Exactly. Someone said studies show Fannie Mae is not the central cause of…
so i asked for burden of proof.
If you asking for proof it is, it is forthcoming.

It’s not a “who asked first?” situation. The extroardinary claim is the one that requires proof. An “extraordinary claim” would be a positive statement, such as that a given single specific agency was the cause of the financial meltdown.

For example, if I say that the meltdown was not caused by UFO’s, I shouldn’t have to prove it to you. If you then claimed that it was, you should have to prove that.

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glezzery Says:

Whatever.

Oh, SNAP, Miss Thang!

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glezzery Says:

Government EQUALS Country!??! Nonsense.
Do you have to love Communism to love Russia?
Good Luck with that notion.

“Country” consists of: geographic region, government, culture and history. What is it that you love? You may have to think about that for a while, but we can wait.

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glezzery Says:

Skepticism of and freedom from intrusive government is the bedrock of America.
Am i wrong here? and if i am, let’s hear it lmao.

That statement sounds pretty good to me.

Hey, even the Left has a strong tradition of “question authority.” But that’s not the same thing at all as hating all government, or believing it’s useless, etc.

Freedom from intrusive government is the basis of many if not most of our Democratic institutions. But that’s not the same thing at all as hating all government, or believing it’s useless, etc.

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In general, you seem to be using a dialectic approach which presupposes that either we must have the most liberty possible or fall under the sway of a completely intrusive dictatorship. I submit that these are not the only two options, and in fact that neither option has ever really worked for anybody.

A maximal concept of liberty actually has a name in political discussion: it’s called “Anarchy.” You are arguing for Anarchy, but only in the area of property rights – basically, economic anarchy.

The rest of us are merely pointing out that there is a degree to which the rule of law should govern economic transactions, and also that certain human endeavors should be undertaken publicly, rather than leave everything to individual interests all the time, no matter what.

That’s a far cry from immediately jumping to the opposite end of the scale and insisting that unless there is no government, we’re all crushed beneath the thumb a brutal Soviet-style system.

Uh, oh, sounds a little liberal.

Being proud of one’s country doesn’t mean you are proud of your government.

Yeah, the central portion of Northern America is the greatest geographically defined region in the world! WOOOO!