Obama meets with some liberal pundits.
By on Jan 14th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Obama meets with some liberal pundits.
Following up on last night’s dinner with right-wing luminaries, Barack Obama met this morning with a group of pundits that included some liberals. “The group included the Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne and Eugene Robinson, the Wall Street Journal’s Gerry Seib, National Journal’s Ron Brownstein, the New York Times Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd, and MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, among others.” The participants were treated to “refreshments.”
Update Last night's right-wing roundtable included "Peggy Noonan, Larry Kudlow, Rich Lowry, Michael Barone, and Paul Gigot."
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Obama met with conservative journalists, with moderate journalists, when will he meet with liberal journalists? and when will he meet with joe the plumber?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:13 pmWell, well, well, do any of you Obama haters want to chime in now?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pmThe president-elect is making the rounds, reeling in his enemies while reassuring his allies. He’s maintaining a schedule alright.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:17 pmLarry Kudlow said George Will hosted with Charles Krauthammer & Bill Kristol in attendance. With the five above, that makes eight. Who were the other two?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pmRachel Maddow!?! So farking cool, man.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pmOh look, the world didn’t come to an end because Obama noshed with the righties.
Obama understands that he is the president of this whole country, not just a select few.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pmPoor guy! His head must be spinning by now !
January 14th, 2009 at 2:21 pmZooey says: Obama understands that he is the president of this whole country, not just a select few.
Exactly. After the past 8 years of a so-called president this is a breath of fresh air.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:23 pmYikes, that was quite the tirade last night (by RHF), wasn’t it??
Glad I missed it.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Where is RHF now to call everyone “C*NTS”?
Sleeping it off, probably.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:26 pmwait a minute. Maureen Dowd is “liberal”?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pmI wonder if the wingnuts knew he was going to have breakfast with the libs the next morning? I bet Kristol would have re-thought that drunken lampshade performance if he knew Obama would be laughing about it with Maddow the next day.
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Bobwurst Says:
and when will he meet with joe the plumber?
Joe’s busy reporting from Gaza about how people shouldn’t report from war zones.
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stateofthedivision Says:
Larry Kudlow said George Will hosted with Charles Krauthammer & Bill Kristol in attendance. With the five above, that makes eight. Who were the other two?
I hear David Brooks was there, and one wingnut to be named later. Maybe they ate sushi off of Ann Coulter. Yum!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pmBut, but, but, look at all the liberal pundits who weren’t there! That b@stard!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:30 pmI’m thinking that anyone who believes they can paint Obama into a corner is going to find out he don’t care if he gets paint on his shoes.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:31 pmCan’t wait to watch The Rachel Maddow show today !!
January 14th, 2009 at 2:33 pmHe should not reach out to traitors, and Republicans are traitors. That’s all there is to it.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pmWashington Post’s E.J. Dionne and Eugene Robinson, the Wall Street Journal’s Gerry Seib, National Journal’s Ron Brownstein, the New York Times Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd, and MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, among others.”
– - Interesting and a bit odd that the only name TP left off this list, yet mentioned in the article, is The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan.
Have an agenda, TP?
January 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmYeah, yesterday he paled around with rightwingers and now he’s only haveing a few liberals……damned turncoat traitor
\snark
January 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pmLast night’s right-wing roundtable included “Peggy Noonan, Larry Kudlow, Rich Lowry, Michael Barone, and Paul Gigot.”
I hope he farted a big stinky for this fcuks.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pmPerry logan Says:
He should not reach out to traitors, and Republicans are traitors. That’s all there is to it.
Old proverb says it is better to keep your enemies close so you know what they are doing.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pmElBruce says: Maybe they ate sushi off of Ann Coulter. Yum!
Ugh! ElBruce you have a lot stronger stomach than I. Excuse me while I go vomit at the thought of that image.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pm“Reaching out” is, well, reaching. Obama said during the campaign that he was going to sit down and talk to our enemies, to understand them and to find common ground. And many of us at TP praised that and voted for him in great part on the basis of that. So, why is anyone surprised and critical that he is doing what he promised, albeit with the political “enemies”? What Obama is doing is a smart form of psych-ops. He is going to neuter and neutralize the obstructionists.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pmWe talked to the republicans for the 60 years they were in the minority the first time. This time will be no different.
Talking to them and taking their temperature is not reaching out to them and besides they are Americans and we have to get them to understand that their values are screwed and tell them how it will be…..
Just because you talk to someone doesn’t mean you like them or want to do what they want you to do.
That’s the whole stink over talking to Iran….basically the same thing if you think about it.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pmBe careful. Obama is a very, very influential speaker and can sway the masses with his voice. Another person with this great skill and in a position to change the world, did. There are now a lot less Jewish people in the world then there would have been because of his views.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:49 pmWhat are Obama’s views? Change? Change what?
ElBruce, I’m thinking you dissed sushi. It was refried bean dip with lots of jalapenos.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:49 pmBe careful. Obama is a very, very influential speaker and can sway the masses with his voice. Another person with this great skill and in a position to change the world, did. There are now a lot less Jewish people in the world then there would have been because of his views.
Absolutely correct! With all his talk of love, hope, forgiveness, and peace, Jesus changed the world dramatically and many of the Jews of his time followed him and, thereby, they and their descendents became Christians. So be careful, indeed. The world may change.
January 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pmBadmoodman Says:
Washington Post’s E.J. Dionne and Eugene Robinson, the Wall Street Journal’s Gerry Seib, National Journal’s Ron Brownstein, the New York Times Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd, and MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, among others.”
- – Interesting and a bit odd that the only name TP left off this list, yet mentioned in the article, is The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan.
Have an agenda, TP?
Yeah, thats why they didn’t put a link to the article, an agenda….
Oh, they did put a link to the article….. Doh!
Just what the hell do you think “among others.” means?
sheesh
January 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pmWe are. We got rid of the republicans.
congressional approval will soar now that they are gone.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pmRARRRGH OBAMA HATES TEH GAYS AND WHEN WILL HE MEET WITH *REAL* PROGRESSIVE JOURNALISTS
*snort* NEVER
okay guys was that good?
January 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pmNow, now, Obama is a good guy, especially compared to Bush, but equating him to Jesus is ridiculous. God won’t be happy with you worshipping false idols.
HT/ PLC
January 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Be careful. Obama is a very, very influential speaker and can sway the masses with his voice. Another person with this great skill and in a position to change the world, did. There are now a lot less Jewish people in the world then there would have been because of his views.
Absolutely correct! With all his talk of love, hope, forgiveness, and peace, Jesus changed the world dramatically and many of the Jews of his time followed him and, thereby, they and their descendents became Christians. So be careful, indeed. The world may change.
Clever. May I ask, are you a politician? The way you twisted my words to fit your opinion makes me wonder.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pmmausium Says:
Nice try and funny but a little weak. Not enough loony left, moonbats, etc. to be credible….
I don’t think you can pull it off, too smart.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pmIndepundit, if you’re trying to compare Obama to Hitler, go Cheney yourself.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pmGo back to Rush, seriously.
Every charismatic person is not Hitler, you blithering idiot. Didn’t you get angry when the Democratic Underground sorts called Bush Hitler? Then shut up now. You have far less to worry about from the military-industrial complex invading the public lives with Obama than Bush.
And again, you actively welcomed that with Bush, do don’t give us that concern troll bullshit.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pmYou twisted Obama into hitler and you whine. typical troll. When confronted with reality you fall back into the victim role. Pathetic.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pmClever. May I ask, are you a politician? The way you twisted my words to fit your opinion makes me wonder.
Actually the clever part was PatrioticLiberalChristian refusing to bite on your attempt at equating Obama with one of Prescott Bush’s friends.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pmIndependant Says:
Clever. May I ask, are you a politician? The way you twisted my words to fit your opinion makes me wonder.
Clever. May I ask, are you a psychotic? The way you twisted reality to fit your opinion makes me wonder.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pmPaul Gigot? Ugh. I wouldn’t be able to eat with that smarmy pile of stupid at the table with me. I will never forget his commentary when Clinton apologized to the nation for lying about his Monica bj. Gigot said, “I don’t think he’s sorry enough.” I dropped (well, okay, threw) the plate I was washing at the time, resulting in an unholy mess of broken crockery and sudsy water in my sink.
One of my happiest days was when Gigot said good-bye to the News Hour on PBS – Brooks is much more bearable.
I wonder if Obama had to starve himself for a couple of days before this dinner? Or maybe he ate beforehand and just picked at his food. Or maybe he’s got a cast-iron stomach. Whatever, it would take something special to get through sharing a meal with a nauseating bunch like that.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:15 pmIndependent says: Clever. May I ask, are you a politician? The way you twisted my words to fit your opinion makes me wonder.
I AM clever, thank you for noticing. Since you twisted Obama’s biography, my twisting your words only put the truth back into play. And I’m way better at that than a politician. I’m a psychologist!
January 14th, 2009 at 3:16 pmMay I ask, are you a Nazi, the way you see Hitler everywhere …
January 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pmRUCerious Says:
Indepundit, if you’re trying to compare Obama to Hitler, go Cheney yourself.
Interesting that you went there. I was referring to Joe Kennedy.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pmLeftside Annie Says:
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Yikes, that was quite the tirade last night (by RHF), wasn’t it??
Glad I missed it.
Yeah, no doubt, a 473 post cyber-food fight. It just stuns me that TP doesn’t ban him, but without him that thread would never have reached 473, so go figure.
I think the symbolism of O. meeting with the Right one day and the Left the next is really cool. I also liked the point made by a poster last night that when you say nice things about those you disagree with, it makes it much harder for them to say bad things about you.
The only thing cooler than this bit of stagecraft would have been if he could have met with ALL of those writers and pundits at the same meal. THAT would have been really interesting. You might flip someone off on the highway, but you never do it in the grocery store. Getting all those people in the same room might have made them think about toning it down in the future.
Yes, very impressive. There was a thread about Obama and Lincoln earlier, but O.s actions thus far seem quite Lincolnesque, especially in regards to my favorite of all of Lincoln’s many quotes.
After the Second Inaugural, for my money the greatest, kindest speech in American history, a maimed Union soldier approached Lincoln and asked how he could not hate the South. Lincoln’s immortal reply: “Do I not Destroy my Enemy by making him my Friend?”
January 14th, 2009 at 3:22 pmSuch wisdom. Lets hope some of it permeates our government for the good of the people.
Independant says: there are a lot less Jews in the world.
I’m sorry have you checked the scorecard for Gaza recently? 400 to 16? Army should be so lucky to have that score over Navy.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:22 pmShayne Says:
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Independant Says:
Be careful. Obama is a very, very influential speaker and can sway the masses with his voice. Another person with this great skill and in a position to change the world, did. There are now a lot less Jewish people in the world then there would have been because of his views.
What are Obama’s views? Change? Change what?
Now, now, Obama is a good guy, especially compared to Bush, but equating him to Jesus is ridiculous. God won’t be happy with you worshipping false idols.
DOUGH!!!
The best take down you’ve ever made, Shayne.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pmKeltoi, just one question. Does you bold face homage to Lincoln apply to everyone?
January 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pmKeltoi Says:
DOUGH!!!
The best take down you’ve ever made, Shayne.
Or LPC, missed the first. Very funny, though.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pm“Liberal pundits”?! Several of that crew helped to elect aWol, as I recall. Sounds like mostly middle of the roaders and crazies (MoDo) to me.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pmIndependant Says:
Clever. May I ask, are you a politician? The way you twisted my words to fit your opinion makes me wonder.
May I ask, are you stupid? The way you spelled “independent” makes me wonder.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pmAh, insincerity and a dimwitted sense of humor.
Both a sign of someone trying to get a lame “I AM THE PUPPETMASTER” rise and someone not trying to actually discuss anything, just give Rush-league strawmans about “YOUR MESSIAH OBAMAJESUS”.
Fly off to Redstate.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pmIndependant Says:
RUCerious Says:
Indepundit, if you’re trying to compare Obama to Hitler, go Cheney yourself.
Interesting that you went there. I was referring to Joe Kennedy.
Liar. (Sometimes “clever” must give way to straight confrontation.)
January 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pmLeftside Annie, good catch on the spelling of our troll’s screen name. It’s obviously that it should be InDependPants.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pmHoodathunk Says:
Keltoi, just one question. Does you bold face homage to Lincoln apply to everyone?
Every one except RHF… :)
No, seriously, it SHOULD apply to everyone, but I am not nearly as Christ-like as Lincoln was. Some crimes, some deeds, in my view, cannot be forgiven. Desmond Tutu said of the White Apartheid SS who had murdered and tortured his people: “These people have committed monstrous acts, but they are not monsters, not demons, they remain human beings.” Again, I am no Saint. But in terms of politics and simple ideology? Yes. I am friends with lots of people here who I strongly disagree with. I see that as the heart of what it means to be an American. The more you can embrace Lincoln’s quote, the better person and the better American you become, IMO. But everyone draws their own line.
Its like our talk about the Taliban yesterday, Hoodathunk. I am willing to talk to them, “destroy” their enemy status by making them friends. But bear in mind, Lincoln didn’t beg the South to cease its rebellion, he used force, and when they surrendered he was gracious in victory. There are some things you cannot allow to continue.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pmWatch keltoy, he plays nice and then tries to play games…….
January 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pmFred Says:
Watch keltoy, he plays nice and then tries to play games…….
Whatever, Fred. You don’t like me, I get it, but it would be nice if you could address the substance of an issue instead of the person. Or you could just ignore my posts.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pmThat’s what state of the division keeps telling me. Don’t get your hopes up.
if staying on topic was so important to you then why did you reply to me? I didn’t address you.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pmNo Fred, Keltoi just banged his head three weeks ago and only now is regaining his ability to be a thoughtful troll. In between he let go of some real zingers.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:54 pmI’ll give him credit for being probably the only troll we have left with any class, but he’s still a troll.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pmFred Says:
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Keltoi Says:
Or you could just ignore my posts.
That’s what state of the division keeps telling me. Don’t get your hopes up.
if staying on topic was so important to you then why did you reply to me? I didn’t address you.
No, you disparaged me:
Fred Says:
Watch keltoy, he plays nice and then tries to play games…….
But you are right, I went a long time just ignoring what you said, same as I do with RHF, but there was a interlude there where it seemed possible we could actually talk. I think you’d agree with my views on Obama, yet somehow you can’t help saying something negative about me personally while completely disregarding the substance of my post.
So, I’ll take my own advice.
January 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pmSweet, you compare me to rhf and then say I disparaged you. You are an admitted troll! You have a record here! Am I just supposed to forget that and move on?
sounds familiar, didn’t bush say something just like that.
I didn’t disparage your comment, I just reminded folks of who you are.
By the way, I, unlike others here do not wish to engage you in thoughtful conversation. I have seen too much of your action in the past to trust you.
If you’ve come around then that is great. Convince me, but calling me down for calling you out won’t get us there.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:11 pmanyone hear the guy on randi rhodes just now???
it goes like this:
just as boosh was able to take advantage of the world with the help of right wing pundits – whom he met with, twice – after 9/11, … so is obama planning an even bigger 9/11 of his own.
just get ready for it. … he asked randi to just be sure to tell it like it is, when it happens – and she answered “why wouldn’t i?!?”
then she brought all the sense back to the situation with the obvious conclusion – “WHAT’S LEFT TO STEAL?!? NO…”
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she opened the show with the news about last night’s righty dinner, and stirred a bit of a tempest about it… i called to tell her to look at ThinkProgress and the news of this meeting… the guy said he had just showed it to her…
January 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pmi said “i know she’s not real keen on correcting herself, but it would be neat if she did”, and he said she would…
waiting for her to bring it up…
the guy asked randi if she though 9/11 was an “inside job”… she doesn’t go into the “conspiricy theories” – there are too many things we KNOW about that need attention…
but, she got to bring up her own favorite “theory” – in light of the drama of the past days of the pilot who ditched his plane which was immediately followed by 2 jets until it crashed…
where were those jets that morning when 4 passenger jets went out ot whack… eh?
that’s all on this.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:23 pmKeltoi hasn’t been trollish at all in this thread. Carrying over prejudices from previous disagreements leads to bad argumentation.
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Independant Says:
Be careful. Obama is a very, very influential speaker and can sway the masses with his voice. Another person with this great skill and in a position to change the world, did. There are now a lot less Jewish people in the world then there would have been because of his views.
So anybody who can speak well is evil? Is that why Republicans worship drooling imbeciles who can’t form a coherent sentence? Hint: it’s not the ability to speak well that makes someone evil. It’s being evil.
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Interesting that you went there. I was referring to Joe Kennedy.
No, you weren’t. Joe Kennedy wasn’t an influential speaker who could sway masses. He was a “back room” politician who knew how to pull strings.
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Independant Says:
What are Obama’s views? Change? Change what?
He’s spent the last two years travelling the country and explaining his policy positions in explicit detail, and has posted them on multiple websites, and pretty done all that anyone could possibly do to explain what his intentions are to you. Short of strapping you down and forcing the information into your brain somehow, I think we’re going to just have to give up on you. At some point, we’ve got to start suspecting that you’re intentionally ignoring the answers to the questions you keep asking.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pmthere, she brought it up… paraphrasing:
January 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm‘he did meet this morning with the liberals, but it was not as “festive”‘
Acknowledgment of the existence of “an alternate reality” is a step forward.
Not sure about that. Bush is about to be slapped back to reality.
January 14th, 2009 at 5:23 pmsounds like the THOMAS FRANK piece today is a MUST read…
January 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pmIndependant Says:
What are Obama’s views? Change? Change what?
He’s spent the last two years travelling the country and explaining his policy positions in explicit detail, and has posted them on multiple websites, and pretty done all that anyone could possibly do to explain what his intentions are to you. Short of strapping you down and forcing the information into your brain somehow, I think we’re going to just have to give up on you. At some point, we’ve got to start suspecting that you’re intentionally ignoring the answers to the questions you keep asking.
You answer like a politician, no substance or an actual relevant example. You may recognize this,
Strengthen civil rights enforcement:
Obama and Biden will reverse the politicization that has occurred in the Bush Administration’s Department of Justice. They will put an end to the ideological litmus tests used to fill positions within the Civil Rights Division.
So where is the explicit detail you mentioned? If you would like, there are many more examples on the same website, http://origin.barackobama.com
He is good at touching people at their emotional core, but hides some facts. Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t heard a politician yet that hasn’t spoke in mostly half lies. McCain had his share too. What bothers me is that most will take what he says as the absolute truth. Mistake.
Joe Kennedy was one of the most influential people in his time. Correct, he did not speak directly to the masses, but his puppets used his words. Even more dangerous. How many sheeple did he get elected to carry out his vision?
All I am saying is don’t be a sheep.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pmIndependant Says:
Oh please are you really comparing Obama to Hitler? Where does he scapegoat an ethicity or use any such divisive rhetoric. Rent a new brain yours is in dire need of an overhaul
January 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pmIndependant Says:
Joe Kennedy? You are a liar. Since when had ANYBODY said Joe Kennedy was an accomplished speaker or that there are a lot less Jews in the world because of him. You are a putz
January 14th, 2009 at 6:09 pmLushInterior Says:
When will you tire of humiliating yourself? Your ignorance is a stench in the nostrils of reasoned adults. You are stupid and you are a punk and there has never been a single fact or iota of insight in anything you have ever posted. Only your incredible stupidity and astonishing lack of self awarness has kept you from rolling into fetal position in outright shame of your abject stupidity. Please stop. My pity for your ignorance is fast turning into horror at just how pathetic you are.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pmIndependant Says:
Are you really telling US not to be sheep as you parrot the stupid propaganda that your masters have TOLD you to believe? Your point is stupid as has been pointed out many times. Just because Rush or whichever screechmonkey TOLD you to believe this said it is true doesnt MAKE it true. On some issues he has given as much detail as is possible without turning the issue into a straitjacked like the economy, taxes and Iraq. On others he has given broad statements of principle. Do you think rural electrification began with a list of specific dams to be built and who would get the contracts to build the transmission lines? No it began by selling the CONCEPT. I doubt Roosevelt EVER got into those details as it wasnt his job. This meme is ignorant. Obama has done what politicians are supposed to do. Lay out a vision and his principles. Man you are gullible
January 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Independant Says:
Are you really telling US not to be sheep as you parrot the stupid propaganda that your masters have TOLD you to believe? Your point is stupid as has been pointed out many times. Just because Rush or whichever screechmonkey TOLD you to believe this said it is true doesnt MAKE it true. On some issues he has given as much detail as is possible without turning the issue into a straitjacked like the economy, taxes and Iraq. On others he has given broad statements of principle. Do you think rural electrification began with a list of specific dams to be built and who would get the contracts to build the transmission lines? No it began by selling the CONCEPT. I doubt Roosevelt EVER got into those details as it wasnt his job. This meme is ignorant. Obama has done what politicians are supposed to do. Lay out a vision and his principles. Man you are gullible
Once again, no direct examples, just like Obama. You are driving my point home. If you, or anyone, can lead me to the details you speak of, I will be glad to read them.
According to the constitution, politicians are supposed to protect the country and the liberties of the citizens. I don’t see that part about being a visionary. In fact, the founding fathers tried very hard to limit the responsibilities of the executive office. I learned that from high school, not some puppet master like Rush or Chris.
You are responding to my opinion, and facts, by trying to put me down and make me look stupid. Calling me names and telling me I can’t think for myself. Why, when truth is much more effective. Maybe truth is more on my side?
When I served in the military I was a infantry squad leader and all of my team made it home alive. Both in Panama and Desert Storm, despite the efforts of the news media. So, I must be able to make some good observations and decisions.
Note: Con artist make a living by selling the CONCEPT
January 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pmFolks, keltoi is not your basic troll. We are talking an uruk-hai. A mega-mutant troll. He posts how Lincoln was right about making an enemy a friend while he holds that war against afghans is the only answer.
“But bear in mind, Lincoln didn’t beg the South to cease its rebellion, he used force, and when they surrendered he was gracious in victory. There are some things you cannot allow to continue.”
Gracious in victory. God forbid that a group of states would take exception and walk away. Fire on Sumter, the only thing they understand is violence. Evil is rampant, they own slaves and better than 90% of Northern industry is based on child labor. He used force! The North hadn’t a single commander who could beat the South in tactics so he hired Butcher Grant who just kept throwing human lives into the fray until the South folded.
That isn’t rant. The only reason the North won is they had more lives to sacrifice.
Just like now. The Civil War was fought between an agrarian society and an industrial society. The North had the money and the bodies. Just like today. The big bucks boys have more resources. Doesn’t make them right, just lets them win.
January 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pmif Lincoln was so right, why did it take 100 years for his ‘dream’ to get a chance?
January 14th, 2009 at 6:48 pmHoodathunk Says:
Folks, keltoi is not your basic troll. We are talking an uruk-hai. A mega-mutant troll.
“TRUU-OOLLL T’ANK OOO, OOO-DAH-TUNK.”
He posts how Lincoln was right about making an enemy a friend while he holds that war against afghans is the only answer.
He said that while Union troops were trampling all over the Confederacy. He wasn’t a pacifist by any stretch. He just wasn’t vengeful and wanted recouncilliation.
God forbid that a group of states would take exception and walk away. Fire on Sumter, the only thing they understand is violence. Evil is rampant, they own slaves and better than 90% of Northern industry is based on child labor. He used force! The North hadn’t a single commander who could beat the South in tactics so he hired Butcher Grant who just kept throwing human lives into the fray until the South folded.
That isn’t rant. The only reason the North won is they had more lives to sacrifice.
Your history is dead on, but what is your point? That Secession and Slavery was good? Are you, perhaps, a resident of the Old Confederacy?
Just like now. The Civil War was fought between an agrarian society and an industrial society. The North had the money and the bodies. Just like today. The big bucks boys have more resources. Doesn’t make them right, just lets them win.
We are rehashing yesterday’s argument. The Taliban government was as repressive and evil as Southern Slavery. As a pure percentage, it was worse since women make up 50 percent of the population and about a third of the South was enslaved. But we did nothing about it til 911 when AQ, which they harbored and embraced, attacked us.
if Lincoln was so right, why did it take 100 years for his ‘dream’ to get a chance?
What, Lincoln wasn’t right? You are taking the side of Jefferson Davis and Stephen Douglas over Abe Lincoln? Really? Are you sure you are on the right blog?
BTW, getting his head blown off 5 days after the end of the War did put a damper on Lincoln’s efforts to realize his ultimate vision for Reconstruction. JW Booth did more to harm the South than any Southerner in history when he killed Lincoln.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pmA note about the role of the president.
Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Clause 2:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
Clause 3:
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pmIndependant Says:
Hey YOU told us not to be sheep then snivelled that I told you directly that you dont think for yourself for parroting a particularly stupid rightwing meme? Are you kidding? I DID give examples. Iran, taxes the economy. I assume you DO know what a search engine is. YOU made the accusation the burden of proof is on YOU not for me. Why do I need to do your research for you. I know I listened to his speeches and heard plenty of specifics when they were appropriate and broad statements when THEY were appropriate. I notice the constitution doesnt specify that politicians have a pulse or breathe either does that mean they arent necessary. Your example of conmen is also frankly stupid. Get away drivers have to drive well does that mean driving well has no positive uses? The black/white Manichean thinking that everything is either unrepenetently evil or absolutly good is stupid. I am not trying to make you look stupid you are making yourself look stupid with just like with that stupid example. It has no relevance and makes NO SENSE. Are you really telling me that the President ISNT supposed to sell the concept? DID Roosevelt begin rural electrification with tons of specifics about how and where he was going to do it or did he sell the CONCEPT FIRST? You arent making sense.
Thoreau said if you are one who builds sandcastles in the sky GOOD, that is where they belong, now put their foundations under them. ( a paraphrase from memory) THAT is what good politicians do. That is what good politicians have ALWAYS done. Did Kennedy begin the space program with specifics about every dime NASA was going to spend or did he say We are going to the moon? The meme is frankly ignorant. First because there ARE specifics and either you didnt look for them or you cant recognize them and decided to regurgitate the talking point that some screechmonkey TOLD you to believe. I dont care WHAT you did in the military you are exhibiting all the symtoms of a brainwashed demented mynah bird repeating what you were TOLD to believe.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmIndependant Says:
For someone as stupid as you are you really work the condescension dont you? I have the constitution right here within three feet of my desk and have read article two many times.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pmI’ll give you Dionne and Rachel, but do the rest really count as liberal journalists? They’re more or less not-conservative journalists, as Yglesias points out. Some of them are really moreso cultural critics, or people who spend as much time hitting at the left as the right and not always for good reasons. I don’t think our side was repped well.
January 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pmOk, now I’m pissed at Obama. He included Maureen Dowd and dissed Keith Olberman? What was he thinking?
January 14th, 2009 at 8:02 pmLushInterior Says:
Seek help fast. You are so stupid you are an object of pity. I feel so sorry for you. It is an amazing feat of astonishing self delusion that you think you are clever instead of understanding how utterly pathetic and ignorant you are. You will always be stupid. That is your lot in life. It is the burden you have to bear. You are like the begger showing off his amputation to get money when you show off how pathetically stupid you are to get attention. Please stop humiliating yourself this way. You are setting new world records in pathetic stupidity
January 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Ok, now I’m pissed at Obama. He included Maureen Dowd and dissed Keith Olberman? What was he thinking?
The same thing he was thinking when he invited Krauthamer but not O’Reilly. It seems he was largely talking with print journalists.
January 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Independant Says:
Hey YOU told us not to be sheep then snivelled that I told you directly that you dont think for yourself for parroting a particularly stupid rightwing meme? Are you kidding? I DID give examples. Iran, taxes the economy.
This is from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreign_policy/index.php#iran
This is not detailed, is it? Or is that the actual plan? To continue doing what we are doing now, only stepped up? we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation.??
Iran
* The Problem: Iran has sought nuclear weapons, supports militias inside Iraq and terror across the region, and its leaders threaten Israel and deny the Holocaust. But Obama and Biden believe that we have not exhausted our non-military options in confronting this threat; in many ways, we have yet to try them. That’s why Obama stood up to the Bush administration’s warnings of war, just like he stood up to the war in Iraq.
* Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama and Biden opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama and Biden believe that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran.
* Diplomacy: Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama and Biden would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.
Again, if you could simple point me in the right direction, I would love to see the plan. Do you have a web address or anything specific?
Why do you use the word stupid so much? Truth is a better way to make a point. Calling people stupid is only a distraction from the truth and suggests that you lack the ability to communicate your thoughts. So, the other person is stupid for not understanding like you do. You seem like your smart and you certainly have passion, so why try to belittle rather than persuade?
January 15th, 2009 at 11:13 am