Hey YOU told us not to be sheep then snivelled that I told you directly that you dont think for yourself for parroting a particularly stupid rightwing meme? Are you kidding? I DID give examples. Iran, taxes the economy.

This is from http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreign_policy/index.php#iran
This is not detailed, is it? Or is that the actual plan? To continue doing what we are doing now, only stepped up? we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation.??

Iran

* The Problem: Iran has sought nuclear weapons, supports militias inside Iraq and terror across the region, and its leaders threaten Israel and deny the Holocaust. But Obama and Biden believe that we have not exhausted our non-military options in confronting this threat; in many ways, we have yet to try them. That’s why Obama stood up to the Bush administration’s warnings of war, just like he stood up to the war in Iraq.
* Opposed Bush-Cheney Saber Rattling: Obama and Biden opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which says we should use our military presence in Iraq to counter the threat from Iran. Obama and Biden believe that it was reckless for Congress to give George Bush any justification to extend the Iraq War or to attack Iran. Obama also introduced a resolution in the Senate declaring that no act of Congress – including Kyl-Lieberman – gives the Bush administration authorization to attack Iran.
* Diplomacy: Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama and Biden would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress.

Again, if you could simple point me in the right direction, I would love to see the plan. Do you have a web address or anything specific?

Why do you use the word stupid so much? Truth is a better way to make a point. Calling people stupid is only a distraction from the truth and suggests that you lack the ability to communicate your thoughts. So, the other person is stupid for not understanding like you do. You seem like your smart and you certainly have passion, so why try to belittle rather than persuade?

Ok, now I’m pissed at Obama. He included Maureen Dowd and dissed Keith Olberman? What was he thinking?

The same thing he was thinking when he invited Krauthamer but not O’Reilly. It seems he was largely talking with print journalists.

Seek help fast. You are so stupid you are an object of pity. I feel so sorry for you. It is an amazing feat of astonishing self delusion that you think you are clever instead of understanding how utterly pathetic and ignorant you are. You will always be stupid. That is your lot in life. It is the burden you have to bear. You are like the begger showing off his amputation to get money when you show off how pathetically stupid you are to get attention. Please stop humiliating yourself this way. You are setting new world records in pathetic stupidity

For someone as stupid as you are you really work the condescension dont you? I have the constitution right here within three feet of my desk and have read article two many times.

Hey YOU told us not to be sheep then snivelled that I told you directly that you dont think for yourself for parroting a particularly stupid rightwing meme? Are you kidding? I DID give examples. Iran, taxes the economy. I assume you DO know what a search engine is. YOU made the accusation the burden of proof is on YOU not for me. Why do I need to do your research for you. I know I listened to his speeches and heard plenty of specifics when they were appropriate and broad statements when THEY were appropriate. I notice the constitution doesnt specify that politicians have a pulse or breathe either does that mean they arent necessary. Your example of conmen is also frankly stupid. Get away drivers have to drive well does that mean driving well has no positive uses? The black/white Manichean thinking that everything is either unrepenetently evil or absolutly good is stupid. I am not trying to make you look stupid you are making yourself look stupid with just like with that stupid example. It has no relevance and makes NO SENSE. Are you really telling me that the President ISNT supposed to sell the concept? DID Roosevelt begin rural electrification with tons of specifics about how and where he was going to do it or did he sell the CONCEPT FIRST? You arent making sense.

Thoreau said if you are one who builds sandcastles in the sky GOOD, that is where they belong, now put their foundations under them. ( a paraphrase from memory) THAT is what good politicians do. That is what good politicians have ALWAYS done. Did Kennedy begin the space program with specifics about every dime NASA was going to spend or did he say We are going to the moon? The meme is frankly ignorant. First because there ARE specifics and either you didnt look for them or you cant recognize them and decided to regurgitate the talking point that some screechmonkey TOLD you to believe. I dont care WHAT you did in the military you are exhibiting all the symtoms of a brainwashed demented mynah bird repeating what you were TOLD to believe.

Clause 1:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Clause 2:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Clause 3:

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

“TRUU-OOLLL T’ANK OOO, OOO-DAH-TUNK.”

He posts how Lincoln was right about making an enemy a friend while he holds that war against afghans is the only answer.

He said that while Union troops were trampling all over the Confederacy. He wasn’t a pacifist by any stretch. He just wasn’t vengeful and wanted recouncilliation.

God forbid that a group of states would take exception and walk away. Fire on Sumter, the only thing they understand is violence. Evil is rampant, they own slaves and better than 90% of Northern industry is based on child labor. He used force! The North hadn’t a single commander who could beat the South in tactics so he hired Butcher Grant who just kept throwing human lives into the fray until the South folded.

That isn’t rant. The only reason the North won is they had more lives to sacrifice.

Your history is dead on, but what is your point? That Secession and Slavery was good? Are you, perhaps, a resident of the Old Confederacy?

Just like now. The Civil War was fought between an agrarian society and an industrial society. The North had the money and the bodies. Just like today. The big bucks boys have more resources. Doesn’t make them right, just lets them win.

We are rehashing yesterday’s argument. The Taliban government was as repressive and evil as Southern Slavery. As a pure percentage, it was worse since women make up 50 percent of the population and about a third of the South was enslaved. But we did nothing about it til 911 when AQ, which they harbored and embraced, attacked us.

if Lincoln was so right, why did it take 100 years for his ‘dream’ to get a chance?

What, Lincoln wasn’t right? You are taking the side of Jefferson Davis and Stephen Douglas over Abe Lincoln? Really? Are you sure you are on the right blog?

BTW, getting his head blown off 5 days after the end of the War did put a damper on Lincoln’s efforts to realize his ultimate vision for Reconstruction. JW Booth did more to harm the South than any Southerner in history when he killed Lincoln.

“But bear in mind, Lincoln didn’t beg the South to cease its rebellion, he used force, and when they surrendered he was gracious in victory. There are some things you cannot allow to continue.”

Gracious in victory. God forbid that a group of states would take exception and walk away. Fire on Sumter, the only thing they understand is violence. Evil is rampant, they own slaves and better than 90% of Northern industry is based on child labor. He used force! The North hadn’t a single commander who could beat the South in tactics so he hired Butcher Grant who just kept throwing human lives into the fray until the South folded.

That isn’t rant. The only reason the North won is they had more lives to sacrifice.

Just like now. The Civil War was fought between an agrarian society and an industrial society. The North had the money and the bodies. Just like today. The big bucks boys have more resources. Doesn’t make them right, just lets them win.

Are you really telling US not to be sheep as you parrot the stupid propaganda that your masters have TOLD you to believe? Your point is stupid as has been pointed out many times. Just because Rush or whichever screechmonkey TOLD you to believe this said it is true doesnt MAKE it true. On some issues he has given as much detail as is possible without turning the issue into a straitjacked like the economy, taxes and Iraq. On others he has given broad statements of principle. Do you think rural electrification began with a list of specific dams to be built and who would get the contracts to build the transmission lines? No it began by selling the CONCEPT. I doubt Roosevelt EVER got into those details as it wasnt his job. This meme is ignorant. Obama has done what politicians are supposed to do. Lay out a vision and his principles. Man you are gullible

Once again, no direct examples, just like Obama. You are driving my point home. If you, or anyone, can lead me to the details you speak of, I will be glad to read them.

According to the constitution, politicians are supposed to protect the country and the liberties of the citizens. I don’t see that part about being a visionary. In fact, the founding fathers tried very hard to limit the responsibilities of the executive office. I learned that from high school, not some puppet master like Rush or Chris.

You are responding to my opinion, and facts, by trying to put me down and make me look stupid. Calling me names and telling me I can’t think for myself. Why, when truth is much more effective. Maybe truth is more on my side?

When I served in the military I was a infantry squad leader and all of my team made it home alive. Both in Panama and Desert Storm, despite the efforts of the news media. So, I must be able to make some good observations and decisions.

Note: Con artist make a living by selling the CONCEPT

Are you really telling US not to be sheep as you parrot the stupid propaganda that your masters have TOLD you to believe? Your point is stupid as has been pointed out many times. Just because Rush or whichever screechmonkey TOLD you to believe this said it is true doesnt MAKE it true. On some issues he has given as much detail as is possible without turning the issue into a straitjacked like the economy, taxes and Iraq. On others he has given broad statements of principle. Do you think rural electrification began with a list of specific dams to be built and who would get the contracts to build the transmission lines? No it began by selling the CONCEPT. I doubt Roosevelt EVER got into those details as it wasnt his job. This meme is ignorant. Obama has done what politicians are supposed to do. Lay out a vision and his principles. Man you are gullible

When will you tire of humiliating yourself? Your ignorance is a stench in the nostrils of reasoned adults. You are stupid and you are a punk and there has never been a single fact or iota of insight in anything you have ever posted. Only your incredible stupidity and astonishing lack of self awarness has kept you from rolling into fetal position in outright shame of your abject stupidity. Please stop. My pity for your ignorance is fast turning into horror at just how pathetic you are.

Joe Kennedy? You are a liar. Since when had ANYBODY said Joe Kennedy was an accomplished speaker or that there are a lot less Jews in the world because of him. You are a putz

Oh please are you really comparing Obama to Hitler? Where does he scapegoat an ethicity or use any such divisive rhetoric. Rent a new brain yours is in dire need of an overhaul

What are Obama’s views? Change? Change what?

He’s spent the last two years travelling the country and explaining his policy positions in explicit detail, and has posted them on multiple websites, and pretty done all that anyone could possibly do to explain what his intentions are to you. Short of strapping you down and forcing the information into your brain somehow, I think we’re going to just have to give up on you. At some point, we’ve got to start suspecting that you’re intentionally ignoring the answers to the questions you keep asking.

You answer like a politician, no substance or an actual relevant example. You may recognize this,

Strengthen civil rights enforcement:

Obama and Biden will reverse the politicization that has occurred in the Bush Administration’s Department of Justice. They will put an end to the ideological litmus tests used to fill positions within the Civil Rights Division.

So where is the explicit detail you mentioned? If you would like, there are many more examples on the same website, http://origin.barackobama.com

He is good at touching people at their emotional core, but hides some facts. Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t heard a politician yet that hasn’t spoke in mostly half lies. McCain had his share too. What bothers me is that most will take what he says as the absolute truth. Mistake.

Joe Kennedy was one of the most influential people in his time. Correct, he did not speak directly to the masses, but his puppets used his words. Even more dangerous. How many sheeple did he get elected to carry out his vision?

All I am saying is don’t be a sheep.

Not sure about that. Bush is about to be slapped back to reality.