This morning on Fox and Friends, right-wing New York Times columnist Bill Kristol discussed his recent dinner with Barack Obama at George Will’s house. Kristol, who said he enjoyed lamb chops at the dinner, said the meeting “really is supposed to be off-the-record — I really don’t like the fact that people are talking about it.” Nevertheless, he proceeded.
Kristol claimed that Obama did not persuade him or any of the others at the dinner:
I don’t think anyone changed anyone’s mind. Everyone’s a grown up and has developed the views they’ve developed over a lot of years. It was a pleasant discussion, but I think people are putting a little too much emphasis on it and giving it a little bit too much publicity.
But Kristol then pledged that he’ll “end up supporting [Obama] on some things.” He added, “Conservatives are not monolithic. … I do think people actually are going to split up in some interesting and new ways.”
Kristol concluded the interview by taking a sarcastic, subtle dig at liberal pundits who had a one-hour morning meeting with Obama the next day (the Obama dinner with conservatives went for 3 hours):
Yesterday, he met with the liberal columnists. And they had a pleasant hour in the conference room in his office. They got some coffee in some styrofoam cups. We had a pleasant dinner at George’s house, and they had some coffee from the machine in the office. But I wouldn’t read too much into that.
Watch it:
Fox co-host Gretchen Carlson labeled the meeting a “PR spin” move by the Obama team. “To me, this is a brilliant move, it shows he’s willing to extend and outreach to people who normally are going to slam him.”
Kristol demonstrates just how dumb and easily led the wingnuts can be. Hopefully Obama passed out gold stars to each of them while explaining that the liberals would only get silver stars, which were also slightly smaller.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:19 amIn future issues of Merriam-Webster dictionaries, under the definition of excrement (slang PoS), there will be a picture of Wililam Kristol.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:21 amBecause liberals know how to get things done without gobbling rich foods — and pacifiers for dessert. Waahhh.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:22 amLittle Billy Crystal, PNAC Fascist will burn in hell for his role in 911.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:23 amHmmmmm. Fox & Friends. Gretchen, Brian, Steve and Little Billy Krystol. You can count up their collective IQs on two hands.
“PR spin”, Gretchen? You bimbo!
January 15th, 2009 at 10:25 amHas ‘Bill the Bloody’ now morphed into ‘Lambchops’?
Billy, you’ll never be Sheri Lewis or Lambchop. I mean, they were professionals! But in your case, just like W, you’ll always be Daddy’s ‘lil boy; full of opinions & full of yourself.
By the way, shouldn’t you bombing children in Gaza right now?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:25 amKristol Boasts: Liberals Got ‘Some Coffee In Styrofoam Cups,
Is that supposed to be funny?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:26 amBecause if it is, I’m completely dumbfounded.
What’s the punchline?
Maybe it’s just me. I’ve never found the entertainer known as Oxycontin breath funny either.
wow… it took him longer than i’d've thought to get that dig in…
but he deserves it… i DO take it as a slight that obama did not extend a similar courtesy towards the ‘lefty’s’…
or, was it up to the lefties to be hosts?
i wonder how sudden that invite to the left was?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:27 amas in, ‘oh shite! we forgot the left!’
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Wonder if joe the faux plumber got anything more than coffee in styrofoam cups? The folks that repugs/neocons depend on to “win” (steal) elections actually get the shaft regularly.
Every time I drive by an empty store in a strip mall, I can’t help but thinks, “Geee, wonder if that was another moron that voted for dur chimpfurher because they thought republicans were going to look out for their best-interests.”
January 15th, 2009 at 10:28 am“… outreach to people who normally are going to slam him.”
yea… thanks for that affirmation of what is ‘normal’…
“I stand behind President Barack H. Obama” bumper stickers for ALL!
January 15th, 2009 at 10:31 amOT
January 15th, 2009 at 10:33 amHillary won approval from the committee 16-1. Vitter was the only opposing vote!
Well, *scratching head* ex-CUSE me, but (silly me) I thought it was George Will – ONE OF THE WINGNUTS – who hosted this fancy dinner in the first place…
So…we’re all supposed to be insulted about that?? That the wingnuts got dinner and the liberals didn’t?
OK.
Jebus. Wingnuts are really, reeeeeeeeeealy stoopid. :o/
January 15th, 2009 at 10:40 amZimzone Says:
Awww… now why go and compare the cuteness of Lambchop to this scumbag? He ate lambchop.
Kind of like Cheney shot bambi, and bambi’s mom, and dumbo, and elmer fudd for good measure. In the face.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:40 amHey Grecthen “Potentially” “Alledgelly” Carlson, your IQ is “PR Spin” I’d say.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:41 amHypercompete much, Billy? Our dinner kicked your coffee’s arse!
Grow up…
January 15th, 2009 at 10:41 amMEMO TO: William Kristol
You, and your pals, have been deeply and widely discredited. You have most often ended up on the ‘wrong’ side of each argument you you chose to make, and almost never on the ‘right’ or reasonable side.
You’re on the way out.
Buh, bye. And, STFU…
January 15th, 2009 at 10:42 amBesides, who do you think is going to be able to come to the White House more often, Rachel Maddow or Bill Kristol?
Maybe this time they get coffee in cups, but the next time, and the next time, and the next time??
January 15th, 2009 at 10:43 amMarie: that’s probably only because Hillary wouldn’t give Vitter her number to put into his little black book…
January 15th, 2009 at 10:43 amI wonder how much crow Billy and the rest of his fellow neocons had for dessert?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:43 amHow anyone can eat surrounded by so many fetid, putrefied minds……is beyond me !
January 15th, 2009 at 10:45 amMarie Says:
OT
Hillary won approval from the committee 16-1. Vitter was the only opposing vote!
January 15th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Yay!
Ugh, Vitter. He has a load of nerve — and I don’t want to know what else…
January 15th, 2009 at 10:46 amSee, that’s the difference between repubs and dems. what the repubs see as “PR spin” is actually an attempt at bipartisianship and working together. they just don’t get it. they’re still stuck with the juvenile “you’re either with us or against us” – “our way or the highway” mentality. Of course, Gretchen Carlson isn’t exactly the sharpest tack in the box – but after 8 years of bush, they’re used to stupidity.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:47 amLuke 15:29-32
January 15th, 2009 at 10:48 amIn keeping with the Messiah context.
Hey Gretchen Carlson! WHO THE F**K ARE YOU?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:51 amAs a political meeting, even “off the record”, I rather like the business level of coffee and a table. They WERE discussing ‘business’, even if it was informal. Nice to have a dinner at someone’s house, like he did with the repugs, but with the situations going on worldwide and the problems with the economy, isn’t bragging about a fancy dinner a little elitist (in the negative).
Republican compassionate conservativism: “Let the eat cake.”
Kristol though of this as the start of MORE secret/closed meetings the repugs have been having the last 8 years, where the wealthy and politically powerful gather to secretly plan how to circumvent the laws withoput changing the laws, and make themselves more powerful and rich.
3 hours of trying to change each other’s minds? Likely Obama didn’t view it in quite those narrow terms, and if that was the brunt of the discussion, it IS possible that there was much more agreement on the liberal side, and not all that pomp and pig fat was needed to make them feel productive.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:51 amMr. Kristol and his cohorts got a fancy-pants dinner while the ‘libs’ only got coffee in Styrofoam cups. So who are the true elitists, Willy Boy?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:51 amBill “Broken Ball” Kristol gave another clear example of his lack of class while highlighting Obama’s magnamity and grace. Keep talking Bill.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:55 am“Kristol claimed that Obama did not persuade him or any of the others at the dinner”
Further proof that these right wing whack jobs are narrow minded idiots unwilling to accept any point of view other than theirs.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:58 amYou know, I’ve got a feeling that the “lefty” breakfast was more of a working meeting, if you catch my drift. One hour with coffee during business hours sounds like it’ll involve a lot more substance than three hours in the evening over full dinner. Thought experiment – at which one could you imagine everyone getting out three ring binders?
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DRxJ Says:
Is that supposed to be funny?
Because if it is, I’m completely dumbfounded.
What’s the punchline?
It took me a while to figure this out, but to wingnuts “humor” consists merely of insulting and/or belittling people that you don’t like. Then you laugh like you said something funny. Other people in hearing range indicate whether they also dislike the object of scorn by laughing with you. Those who fail to laugh are purged, and the process repeats itself until the group reaches ideological purity.
January 15th, 2009 at 10:58 amBilly’s friends aren’t completely out. Reported on DailyKos:
Hillary picks NeoCon Dennis Ross for critical ME post at State
by Lefty Coaster
Tue Jan 13, 2009 at 07:44:39 PM PST
The imminent appointment of Dennis Ross as one of Clinton’s top deputies at State comes as very bad news. Why? Besides being a commentator on Fox News Dennis Ross also is a NeoCon. A hawk on Iran, he was on the steering committee of the Lewis (Scooter) Libby Defense Fund.
They had a poll associated with the article:
Should Dennis Ross be the special adviser for the Middle East and Iran? 78% of DailyKos responders said “No.”
January 15th, 2009 at 10:59 amLink to DailyKos piece:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/13/205241/074
January 15th, 2009 at 10:59 amLet me get this straight…the economy is in the toilet so the rightside pundits host a fancy expensive dinner and brag about it. Meanwhile the leftside crowd holds a meeting in a conference room. Righties say nothing important was discussed because they already have all the answers?
Maybe Marie didn’t say let them eat cake but it is the thought that counts here.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am“it was fun to watch him think while he was talking.”
-e.j. dionne, on keith last night
January 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am“it was fun to watch him think while he was talking.”
It has seemed to me that much of Obama’s speaking style, when not from prepared text, reflects his thinking as/before he talks. “W” could never do this, thus the “Bushisms” emerged. I found the Bushisms funny, at least initially, so “fun” is not the word I would use with Obama’s speech. “Fascinated” or “encouraged” fit better.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:05 amFaiz. What was the point of this story? Do you really think it’s new? Really, I’d like to know.
Bush/Cheney/Kristol ~the Hague ‘09
January 15th, 2009 at 11:07 amwell, ok, i see i’m alone at feeling slighted…
maybe it was the lefties who thought, after hearing about that dinner, ‘hey! we must do something too!’…
and, thinking, that would be more likely…
January 15th, 2009 at 11:08 amFunny how right wingers are coming across as nothing but bitter jerks since the Nov elections. This move by Obama is something that W would have never done.
Yet they show very little seriousness about it, call it a stunt and prove once again that THEY are the primary reason for the BITTER partisanship in DC today and are not about to let that end.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:09 amKristol claimed that Obama did not persuade him or any of the others at the dinner:
Yeah….Once your head is up your ass, it tends to get stuck there.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:10 amPLC – it was most obvious at his ‘last news conference’ that most of duby’s talks are fed to him through his ear…
January 15th, 2009 at 11:10 amevery 3 words…
Chuck Feney Says:
Mr. Kristol and his cohorts got a fancy-pants dinner while the ‘libs’ only got coffee in Styrofoam cups. So who are the true elitists, Willy Boy?
January 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am
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Ahh, but what they’re not telling you is that the coffees were soy-milk shade-grown arugula lattes spiked with chardonnay. It’s a secret – shh!
January 15th, 2009 at 11:12 amkaty, or maybe Bush got the feed every 3 syllables. This would explain his drawn out pronunciation of “big words”.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:19 amThe Democrats are in the White House and control both branches of Congress. Enjoy your dinner!
January 15th, 2009 at 11:20 amA message to Mr. Krauthammer: If you didn’t have such an interesting sounding last name, I would never even remember you exist. I certainly don’t remember anything you have ever said or written. So this latest comment from you will be much like that dinner you had – it will pass.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:25 amThe genius of Obama’s move in meeting with these people is not that he wil change their minds; he won’t. But for some it will be a bit tougher to attack someone they have met and, probably, liked. But most importantly, when they do attack, they look unreasonable from the middle to the left and THAT is really who you want on your side.
Genius.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:40 amKristol always reminds me of someone who just crapped in his pants when he gives that little snarky grin.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:40 amCharles Krauthammer joked…
Krauthead is a joke, alright. Who cares what this Troglodyte thinks? He should look up the meaning of ‘audacity’; he’ll find his own face looking back at him
#14, Cagey Cretin, LOL, you’re right; Billy the Bloody DID eat Lambchop. Well, at lest the little critter, (Lambchop, not Bill), lasted longer than Ms Lewis did, eh?
January 15th, 2009 at 11:46 amMr. Krauthammer always, always, always looks like someone is holding an invisible turd under his nose! Seriously, now !
January 15th, 2009 at 11:48 amHe’s got that facial expression all the time !
Charles Krauthammer joked: “And I’m here to tell you that, speaking for myself, he has succeeded. I am brainwashed entirely. I’m in the tank, and I am a believer of hope and change
January 15th, 2009 at 11:52 amCertainly wouldn’t want to believe in hope Charlie
TXProgressive Says:
See, that’s the difference between repubs and dems. what the repubs see as “PR spin” is actually an attempt at bipartisianship and working together. they just don’t get it. they’re still stuck with the juvenile “you’re either with us or against us” – “our way or the highway” mentality. Of course, Gretchen Carlson isn’t exactly the sharpest tack in the box – but after 8 years of bush, they’re used to stupidity.
This is exactly right and might I add that the republicans think that democrats think the same way! This is why they think it’s a joke that they got dinner rather than a cup of coffee.
January 15th, 2009 at 11:53 amglezzery Says:
Obama had to cut back to coffee in styrofoam cups in order to pay for his 100 million dollar coronation.
Whiner!
January 15th, 2009 at 11:53 amI highly recommend that everybody rtead “Audacity of Hope”. It will tell you a lot of Obama’s thinking. A great read for people who like competence in their leaders.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:05 pmAnd to glezzery: Welcome to the wilderness, hope you never find your way out.
We had a pleasant dinner at George’s house, and they won the Whitehouse and a larger portion of the House and Senate.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pmglezzery Says:
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Most expensive inauguration ever
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January 15th, 2009 at 12:15 pm\Did we adjust for changes in dollar value?
glezzery Says:
Obama had to cut back to coffee in styrofoam cups in order to pay for his 100 million dollar coronation.
That would save like, a few hundred bucks at most. It wouldn’t save $100,000,000. It wouldn’t even be in the same order of magnitude. You wingnuts really suck at math.
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glezzery Says:
Most expensive inauguration ever.
Most recent inauguration ever, with the most people attending. Crowd control alone adds a lot. Security concerns add a lot. Also, lots of people are really excited about it.
Also, you know that thing I said about how the cost of a breakfast meeting and $100M are different orders of magnitude? So is the cost of the inauguration compared to deficit. You’re repeatedly comparing pocket change to the price of a new car. Like I’ve said before, it’s no wonder we don’t let you people manage the economy any more.
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glezzery Says:
No more whining about deficits please.
But the deficit really, really sucks! If the deficit weren’t so huge, I wouldn’t be so worried about the stimulus spending. But for Bush to have inflated the deficit andbroken the economy at the same time pretty much leaves America behind the 8-ball.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:26 pmI suppose your alternative would be to have the fiscally responsible Republicans back in control of the government.
After what your boys have done, if you had any self-respect, you would STFU.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pmglezzery Says:
Most expensive inauguration ever
*Privately* funded, dearie. Remember that. Unlike the GOoPiggies, we Democrats didn’t have to steal everything not nailed down to fund it…
Just sayin’.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pmWell, when your paycheck depends on believing complete nonsense then its pretty hard for a reasonable person to change your mind.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pmIm confused by your ‘point’. Are you purposely focusing on trivia because there is nothing negative to spin about the OP?
What does having concerns about deficits have to do with the enormous pre-inauguration support of private donors?
January 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pmTell ya what libs. I will treat your president with the same respect you treated mine.
1-20-2013
Let’s pray we make it
FBO
January 15th, 2009 at 12:37 pm“fiscally responsible Republicans”???????
I am pretty sure the current economic crisis had NOTHING to do with “fiscally responsible Republicans”.
· The current economic crisis started under the Carter administration with the Community Reinvestment act of 1977. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
· Under Clinton, the CRA became a much bigger time bomb just waiting to explode. http://sbvor.blogspot.com/2008/09/clinton-and-fannie-mae-9301999.html
· Obama is now at the white hot center of why this housing mess was not stopped. His ACORN group caused the CRA to be forced down banks throats.
· In 2005, The CONSERVATIVES on the Banking Committee asked (actually begged) for Fannie and Freddie to be regulated. The Dems would not bring the vote to the floor. Why? Because Chris Dodd and “Jim Jones” Obama were receiving LOTS of cash from Fannie and Freddie.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
Barrack “Jim Jones” Obama. President of the United Socialist States of America
January 15th, 2009 at 12:43 pmI am not going to trash B. ‘Jim Jones’ Obama yet. Perhaps he will bring the change liberals are all looking for. Are you looking for a change from clean water? A change from medical care whether we can afford it or not? A change from turning on the light switch and the lights go on? A change from more food than we can ever eat? A change from the highest standard of living in the world? A change from more opportunity than any where on earth? A change from bringing freedom and self determination to the most oppressed people?
Keep drinking the kool aid.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pmThat is just stupid…
January 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pmHey, if Jimmy Carter brought me Ronald Reagan, than I cannot wait for 2013. I am not blaming Clinton. I am blaming the left. The CRA caused all this. Read a little history. I know Leftist Losers are not comfortable with facts and truth, but give it a try.
Did you know that Conservatives give far more to charity than losers (liberals)? FACT
Conservatives have appointed more minorities to office than liberals by a margin of 63 to 1. FACT.
I can go on all day. You see, I just got laid off becasue the owner of the company I worked for is afraid of what the new administration will bring.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pmYou are wrong, I AM RIGHT. Here is the culprit behind our financial collapse.
The Subprime Mess and Phil Gramm: An Experiment in Deregulation
January 15th, 2009 at 12:52 pmFundamental flaw in conservative thinking. George Bush wasn’t ‘their’ president, he was OUR president (unfortunately).
January 15th, 2009 at 12:53 pmjust look at the above, isn’t that ironic and funny?
I am right……keep drinking the kool aid….now thats just damned funny. Thanks for the laugh.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pmMost of you losers do not even understand the Kool Aid reference. Makes complete sense becasue you keep swallowing the lies.
3m ta3
January 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pmFundamental flaw in conservative thinking. George Bush wasn’t ‘their’ president, he was OUR president (unfortunately).
PA LEEASE
Did you read the bumper stickers?
Liberals are so open minded their brains have fallen out.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:55 pmliberals give them social security, medicare, medicade, etc. you know, life sustaining help, not a new wing on the orphanage as you brag about…..
January 15th, 2009 at 12:57 pmGod if I was ever invited to have dinner with Larry Kudlow I would want to be protected like the Bubble Boy.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:57 pmliberals give them social security, medicare, medicade, etc. you know, life sustaining help, not a new wing on the orphanage as you brag about…..
Liberals don’t “give” anything. They raise taxes and use my money to provide services to people who do not always deserve it.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pmI know its ideologically convenient to blame minorities, but the CRA had NOTHING to do with the current mess.
It’s mostly the fact that people stopped believing a one bedroom shack in the woods is worth $300,000. Most of the garbage loans were issued by ‘mortgage banks’ which did not have to comply with CRA.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pmEven if you were right, how does it matter. Your guys didn’t understand that no wmd’s means illegal war……
your guys didn’t understand that tax breaks for the rich and deregulation was once again a recipe for disaster for our country…
you’re a little irrational.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pmHey I Am, you are a self made man right?
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance – now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.
The house didn’t have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”
January 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pmEveryone deserves it. You lose, get your pocketbook out and get ready to pay your fair share….
January 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pmOK Fred…
Only an a$$ believes there were no WMDs. My brother was working MI in Syria and yes my friend, there were WMDs. They are in Syria.
In 2005 Conservatives were begging for regulation and Dodd and “Jim Jones” Obama did not want it because their $$$ would be effected. FACT!!!!!!!!!
January 15th, 2009 at 1:02 pmoh boy. a new toy.
at first i thought it might be IRI back to haunt…
but this one seems to have just woke up… “the Kool Aid reference”…
ah hahahaha!
January 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pmWell then, if that’s true you worked for an idiot.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:04 pm“Red/Conservative States have higher rates of abortion, lower education rates, and accept higher rates in unemployment and social programs.”
Ah my friend, I don’t know where you get your facts but those are lies.
You picked the wrong person to argue state facts. That is what I do for a living!
January 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pmDo you even know what the kool aid reference is about? Where it comes from? Cause damn you all are drinking it.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:06 pmThe proposed regulation of Fannie/Freddy would have done diddles because they were hurt not because they accumulated bad debt, but because of the market conditions and their size.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pmJonestown… please, you aren’t that clever.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:08 pmWell my father was killed coming off the plane there.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:09 pmI just got laid off becasue the owner of the company I worked for is afraid of what the new administration will bring.
Actually, you got laid off because your employer is an ideologue hack who needs to use you as a forced demonstration that libruls kills jobs — it’s not that it naturally does so.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:10 pmactully deebaser, you are a bit confused.
Buying bad debt and turning them into securities is why we are where we are. Oh wait, who allowed that to happen?????? Not a Conservative.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:11 pmPhil Gramm is a conservative.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:12 pmNice stats Dr. Hussein Matt. I do not remember anyone mentioning divorce.
I have to go. I have a job interview. Yes, that is what consrvatives do when they get laid off. They do not collect unemloyment and hang around blogging. They get a new job. Give it a try losers!!!
January 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pmexcuse my spelling
January 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm01-20-2013
January 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pmLets pray we make it
Ummm… considering that Fannie and Freddie weren’t bringing Residential Mortgage Backed Securities to market, ‘Investment Banks’, I fail to see your point that the CRA caused all of this.
(Since we’re all talking about where we work/used to work: I work in the ratings industry, you can’t BS me)
January 15th, 2009 at 1:16 pmThe red states may attract businesses in the form of tax relief packages, but the companies contribute nothing to schools, roads and other infrastructure they rely upon, and they work employees into the ground for crappy wages.
You’re feverishly posting a lot of hum drum, but it’s pretty clear you’re bitter at the wrong party.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:16 pmIn 1999, former Senator Phil Gramm (who is, incidentally, Senator John McCain’s economic adviser and cochairs his presidential campaign) set out to completely gut the Glass-Steagall Act, and did so successfully, replacing most of its components with the new Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act: allowing commercial banks, investment banks, and insurers to merge (which would have violated antitrust laws under Glass-Steagall). Sen. Gramm was the driving force behind the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, as he had received over $4.6 million from the FIRE sector (Finance, Insurance and Real Estate donations) over the previous decade, and once the Act passed, an influx of “megamergers” took place among banks and insurance and securities companies, as if they had been eagerly awaiting the passage of Gramm’s Act. Everything in between Glass-Steagall and Gramm-Leach-Bliley (i.e. Savings and Loan crisis/bust) was, in large part, the incubation period for what would take place over the nine years that would follow the passage of Gramm’s Act: an experiment in deregulation.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:18 pmI AM RIGHT Says:
excuse my spelling
Spelling, no biggie, ignorance, not so much.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:18 pmSomebody should tell him that Wal-Mart isn’t hiring either.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pmTroll, ever think the federal reserve kept interest rates too low for too long, causing the aforementioned bloated home values and forcing people into risky loans just be able to buy a home?
Second, CRA mostly covered community banks, and they are seeing steadily increasing deposits, not failures.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pmThe right INVITED Obama, he was the guest. Obama was the host with the left. Of course he IS NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE YET. Do you think maybe when he has the White House staff at his service is when the serious invitations will start going out.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:26 pmIf there is any justice, this particular troll will be unemployed long enough to be forced onto welfare. That experience may make him semi-human.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pmboy, I hate to see you go, you just keep cracking me up. I’m sharing your ignorance with the college students and they all think you are a fool.
by the way, we all have jobs, why did you lose yours again?
January 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pmI AM RIGHT Says:
Tell ya what libs. I will treat your president with the same respect you treated mine.
OK, give him a chance to do the job, stand behind him if anything really horrible happens, and if he completely f**ks it all up, lies to stars wars, and repeatedly violates the Constitution he’s sworn to defend then please do call him on it and demand that he be prosecuted.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
1-20-2013
Let’s pray we make it
I’m looking forward to Obama’s second term as well.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
I am not going to trash B. ‘Jim Jones’ Obama yet.
That’s funny, right there. I’ll be nice to you too, you loathesome pig.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
Perhaps he will bring the change liberals are all looking for. Are you looking for a change to clean water? A change to medical care whether we can afford it or not? A change to turning on the light switch and the lights go on? A change to more food than we can ever eat? A change to the highest standard of living in the world? A change to more opportunity than any where on earth? A change to bringing freedom and self determination to the most oppressed people?
Fixed that for ya.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
The CRA caused all this. Read a little history.
In another thread I recently compiled a very long list of the causes of the mortgage breakdown, both on the buyer and seller side. Then I pointed out that telling people to “go read” is not an argument, it’s a punt. I’m not going to do the whole thing again. Obviously you haven’t “read a little history” or you’d realize that the CRA wasn’t even slightly a factor.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
Did you know that Conservatives give far more to charity than losers (liberals)? FACT
If you count donating to your church as charity, which I don’t. Building a bigger megachurch doesn’t help the poor.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
Conservatives have appointed more minorities to office than liberals by a margin of 63 to 1. FACT.
Liberals have only appointed one minority to office? Citation, please.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
I can go on all day. You see, I just got laid off becasue the owner of the company I worked for is afraid of what the new administration will bring.
You got fired because you’re petty and stupid. FACT.
Hey, that’s easy!
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I AM RIGHT Says:
Only an a$$ believes there were no WMDs. My brother was working MI in Syria and yes my friend, there were WMDs. They are in Syria.
So Bush attacked the wrong country? Or after he attacks Syria, you’ll say they were in Jordan after all? After attacking Jordan, whoops, they were in the UAE, etc. Either way, Bush still attacked the wrong country.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
Ah my friend, I don’t know where you get your facts but those are lies.
You picked the wrong person to argue state facts. That is what I do for a living!
I thought you got laid off?
OK fine, then cite some sources please. Free Republic, World Net Daily, and your purported family members don’t count.
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I AM RIGHT Says:
Do you even know what the kool aid reference is about? Where it comes from? Cause damn you all are drinking it.
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Well my father was killed coming off the plane there.
Then maybe you should quit belittling the Jonestown tragedy by equating forced mass suicide to political discourse. That’s really disgusting.
I’m now researching anybody “killed coming off the plane” in Jonestown, because I don’t recall anyone dying at an airstrip. If you’re not lying, we should have your identity soon. But you’re almost certainly lying.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:32 pmIt seems that wherever the federal government has a presence, unemployment is far lower. The bedroom town I moved from, where 60% of the area’s working population commutes to Washington and elsewhere, has a 4.8% unemployment rate. I just moved to a town in North Carolina that has a 7.8% unemployment rate — no presence of the federal government. Neither Virginia nor NC is liberal (that’s changing, of course) but the cons talk against the size and scope of the federal government and ignore the fact that it contributes greatly to the standard of living.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pmHis boss told him to take a hike because he was afraid Barack Obama might do something to hurt the economy.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pmI have only one comment on the recent spate of posts with the statistics…The Doctor is in the house.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pmAnd Obama couldn’t stay in the housing set aside for the next president because Bush told the ex prime minister of Australia that he could stay there for one night. Perhaps if Obama was allowed to the use the housing we all pay for already he could be hosting guests.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pmMr. Right:
If a bank is forced by an eeevil law to make bad loans, it may cut into their profit margin a bit. It might make the bankers whine a bit. It might make them raise the rates on other people’s loans.
The thing it should not do is SURPRISE them when they default.
To the point where they GO UNDER.
Were thebanks whining? Weere they tightening their belts, were they letting people go because heir profit margins were being affected?
They were doing none of these things: in fact, they were pulling down astronomical salaries.
And if they were being forced to make these bad loans to minorities, did they keep them in the bad loan ssection?
NO! They bundled them up and sold themall over the world as GOOD DEBT INSTRUMENTS.
Listen here,flashbulb–If I make a loan o my shiftless brother-in-law, I may be a victim, and can whistle for my money. If I go and run up debt, betting my house that my shiftless brother-in-law will pay me back, I’m an idiot. If I turn around and SELL myshiftless brother-in-law’s IOU to someone saying that it’s a reliable piece of commercial paper–I’m a con man if not a criminal.
Got that?
January 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pmglezzery employs the lame and irrelevant humor of the right wingers – they alone think they are funny and witty – the rest of us see stupidity. Read Elbruce at #32, glezzery – and see yourself described.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThese trolls can be anything they want over the tubes. Today he’s a rank-and-file employee who believes every word that comes out of his bosses’ mouth, tomorrow he is the boss who doesn’t want libruls to take the money he stole from his laid off employees, and the day after he’s Ronald Reagan reincarnated.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pmThat pretty much explains why he lost his job, doesn’t it.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pmFrom Wikipedia:
OK, so Leo Ryan, Greg Robinson, or Don Harris is your father? Damn, Wikipedia is having a server error. All I can find out right now is that Leo Ryan was a Democrat. Normally I’d doubt if you could be his kid, but since you so casually conflate the events of his death with regular political discussion, maybe you really hated him. I’ll get back to it a little later.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:40 pmI AM RIGHT is now unemployed so we can expect to “enjoy” his ignorant remarks — after all, it’s the Dems’ fault that he is unemployed.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pmI think my son would disagree with you as he has been out of work for months as a result of repugnican economics – and his sources are all telling him to hang in there because the new administration will bring about optimism.
Apparently, he was drinking a lot of Kool-aid while on the job and can’t accept that he is a victim of his own political philosophy.
…will bring about optimism and opportunity..
January 15th, 2009 at 1:45 pmThe disrespect shown Dumbya was earned. He deserved every bit of it. He was our president, as well as yours.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pmObama is also our president, including yours. Until his record resembles that of Dumbya’s you have no cause to show him disrespect – unless you are a whining, racist, repugniscum.
I doubt if more than one of Leo Ryan, Greg Robinson, or Don Harris have a son working in military intelligence. If one of them do, and that son has a sibling, then that’s who I AM RIGHT is. He’s way too dumb to know that from any kind of research.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pmI believe you just told us you do NOTHING for a living any more. What is it you’re saying you used to do because your statistics are a fabrication. And you lost your job when Bush was in office just like the rest of the country. But you’re going to blame the yet to be inaugurated next president. What an idiot.
January 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pmI wonder is I AM RIGHT is related to I-Right-I from the past?
January 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pmectoendomezo Says:
the COld CIVIL War
I like that phrase! It sums up Bush/Rove politics accurately and concisely.
By the way, I hope you get your caps lock key shift fixed soon.
January 15th, 2009 at 2:11 pmIAR’s dad isn’t Don Harris:
Greg Robinson:
Can’t find whether Anthony Frisch is in military intelligence. If so, IAR could be Susan or Robin, but I suspect IAR is male.
As for Congressman Leo Ryan…
January 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pmWikipedia says he has 5 kids. Daughters: Erin, Patricia, Shannon Jo. The other two are sons. Having a hard time finding out who they are, but this one actually seems most likely.
Kristol, you spiritually juvenile freak, grow up!
January 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmWelcome back I-Right-I,
It’s been a while… a couple of years, at least.
Will you please explain how the CRA forced Financial Institutions to create and trade in derivatives?
Oh, I forgot. Your MO was always to run away when confronted with actual facts… as demonstrated by the Census reports.
This is your first time back in a while. It appears as if you were waiting for the lies to build up some kind of critical mass. I’m not sure anything you said today was true. What do you gain from that? Why still defend an ideology that forces you to lie in order to support it?
January 15th, 2009 at 3:07 pmElBruce,
January 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pmI Am Right has posted under other previous names: I-Right-I, IHL (I Hate Liberals), LHT (Liberals Heart Terrorists), moonbatpatrol.
His(?) MOA is always the same.
Post unsubstantiated theories and claim them as facts without ever providing links. Then attack, attack, attack. Then play the victim. Then disappear.
I have a sneaky suspicion that he(?) is a mAnn Coulter troll, especially with the above claim that Conservatives give far more to charity than Liberals.
ElBruce,
Don’t bother. He was lying to assert some sense of authority on any topic… Jonestown, of all things. Just as he lied about what he does for a living: to assert authority on “facts” themselves.
People were killed getting on a plane. Not getting off of one. He must have dosed off during that part of the documentary and was confused by the commercial ad for it from which he extracted his lie.
I’m not sure why he would be watching MSNBC, anyway. I thought it was like garlic to these guys.
January 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pmobama just wanted to hear what they thought then do the exact opposite, especially wrong about everything all the time kristol.
January 15th, 2009 at 5:21 pmGood to know that Bill Kristol is definitively a junior high schooler emotionally…
My fav comment on this whole dueling Obama meetings situation was EJ Dionne’s comment to KO last night — that EJ’s family for once thinks he’s cool bc he got to sit next to — not Obama — but Rachel Maddow @ the liberal Obama meeting. LOL
January 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pmThis Jim Jones thing is bizarre. What is the topic? Oh yeah—Obama’s meeting with reich-wing talking heads. Strange troll.
January 15th, 2009 at 6:12 pmabs0628 – thanks! i heard only the last part of that comment – that he got to sit next to rachel… that is funny.
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wiley – yes, it was strange… 666lattes has it right.
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after some thought, i realize the only similarity to ‘i am’ and IRI is the name… IRI was THE most belligerent, hateful and abusive trooll ever… truly despicable… and sincere…
that jonestown liar was just stoopid.
(and the only similarity of the names, was the look of them, mostly the upper case RIGHT)
January 15th, 2009 at 7:01 pmWhy would anyone waste their time with this gang of NeoNazis!
January 15th, 2009 at 8:26 pmI wonder if Obama had set any Pre-COnditions to meet with the enemy?
January 15th, 2009 at 9:34 pmI AM RIGHT Says:
I can go on all day.
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no you can’t.
you quit early and left
for the day.
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no wonder you’re out of work.
on relief like “joe the plumber”,
eh?
:)
January 15th, 2009 at 11:59 pmI AM RIGHT Says:
Actually you are a MORON. How well was Clinton treated? When Obama guts the constitution. Lies us into a war. Tortures people and destroys the economy I will JOIN you in trashing him until then go sit at the little kids table where you belong and STFU
January 16th, 2009 at 1:25 amI AM RIGHT Says:
Do you even know what the kool aid reference is about? Where it comes from? Cause damn you all are drinking it.
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Morons like YOU mainlined the Kool-aid for the last 8 years. Your projection is precious. I do love the free clown show when people as stupid as you are so condescending. What a putz you are.
January 16th, 2009 at 1:30 amWhat is it about this site that attracts the stupidest people on the planet to troll it.
January 16th, 2009 at 1:32 amSo the only haters ‘going solo’ at this point are . .
Sean Hannity
Bill O’Lielly
Hannity is probably obsessively and complusively making little slits on his wrists salivating for an Obama ’sex scandal’ to reignite his slimey career!!
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