Network VP Dismisses Military Pundits Scandal: ‘Everyone Understands’ Pentagon Spreads Propaganda
Network VP Dismisses Military Pundits Scandal: ‘Everyone Understands’ Pentagon Spreads Propaganda
Yesterday, the Department of Defense Inspector General released its report on the military analyst program first revealed by the New York Times last April. The report said there was “insufficient evidence to conclude that OASD(PA) conceived of or undertook the type of disciplined public relations effort” alleged by the program’s critics. The report concluded that the program “was not a secret or covert effort,” and thus not propaganda, which it defined as activities that “are covert, that is, the communications do not reveal to the target audience the government’s role in sponsoring the material.”
However, the report never addressed the fact that the news networks never disclosed that their military analysts were being briefed by the Pentagon. Indeed, the report seemed to accept such non-disclosure as business as usual:
As a network vice-president with 40 years of media experience told us, “Everyone understands that the Pentagon gives out information that is not harmful to its interests. It can’t be expected to put out information that is harmful. I consider that fair.”
The point, seemingly lost on the network VP and the DoJ IG, is not whether the Pentagon is expected to distribute negative news; it’s that everybody did not “understand” that the Pentagon was the source for the analysts’ knowledge. The public did not know this because the networks were hazy on the details themselves and, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon discouraged the analysts from volunteering the information:
Some network officials, meanwhile, acknowledged only a limited understanding of their analysts’ interactions with the administration. They said that while they were sensitive to potential conflicts of interest, they did not hold their analysts to the same ethical standards as their news employees regarding outside financial interests. The onus is on their analysts to disclose conflicts, they said. [...]
The access came with a condition. Participants were instructed not to quote their briefers directly or otherwise describe their contacts with the Pentagon.
Even after the story broke, the media refused to acknowledge its complicity in the scandal. ABC News head David Westin insisted, “I am satisfied that ABC News has acted responsibly and has served its audience well.” Most media outlets — likely out of embarrassment, according to media critic Howard Kurz — ignored the story completely. A Project for Excellence in Journalism story found that “out of approximately 1,300 news stories [following the Times story], only two touched on the Pentagon analysts scoop — both airing on PBS’s ‘NewsHour.’”
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The report concluded that the program “was not a secret or covert effort,” and thus not propaganda, which it defined as activities that “are covert, that is, the communications do not reveal to the target audience the government’s role in sponsoring the material.”
Excuse me? But that is precisely what happened! I don’t care what the IG says; black is NOT white!!
January 17th, 2009 at 9:38 amThat is the nature of “PROPAGANDA”. It is CATAPULTED by those willing to CATAPULT it, while never telling those that it is CATAPULTED against the true natuer and source of CATAPULTED material.
BUSH IS A CRIMINAL…pass it on.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:41 amWhat he said is bad enough – what’s even worse is that the folks behind the propaganda, the criminal cabal behind this administration, and their media assets know that can outright lie, proclaims it OK and normal, and then know the rest of the media will promptly bury this down the memory hole.
Folks – things are really bad when we reach the point that the heads of news organizations make these statements. It means they know we are powerless to stop them.
And they are right, at least until we are ready to organize peaceful action that hits the corpocracy in the pocket.
January 17th, 2009 at 9:51 amI do expect the Pentagon to distribute negative news along with the positive – its called being honest and truthful with US citizens, not feeding us a bunch of feel good BS. The government has an obligation to be completely honest and truthful at all times. If there is info that cannot be released for national security reasons, they should say so and leave out the spin.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:03 amNuance is lost on imbeciles and the willfully feckless.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.”
Upton Sinclair
US novelist & socialist politician (1878 – 1968)
January 17th, 2009 at 10:11 amCouple this with the commonly-held conservative belief (expressed by Joe the Non-Plumbing War Correspondent) that reporters should just believe what the military tells them, and the danger to our free democratic society becomes clearer. The Pentagon should remember that they exist to serve the public, not themselves and not their contractors.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:17 amThe reality is, while we are bloggin’ now about propaganda during a time when this nation was lied into a war of conquest, which is treason, a war crime, and crimes against humanity are being committed in our names – the mainstream media believes that they can lie to us about everything else.
And in this case, it all started when an AWOL abusive alcoholic/cocaine addict was fraudulently hoisted on the American public in 1999 as a “uniter” that would be the next ronnie ray-gun.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:20 amThis is partly why Thomas Jefferson opposed a standing military, and felt that the citizens should bear arms so that they would fight for the nation when they felt that the cause warranted doing so.
The Military Industrial Complex is yet another entity that has seized power and declared itself better than people.
It’s time for America to stop being an empire builder, and once again become a Democracy where people are the top priority, rather than money, power, and domination…
January 17th, 2009 at 10:26 amPlease, can we just have information that is ACCURATE. That is what we need, that is all we need to form properly thought out opinions. If we wanted lies and delusion, we could always go to the local tavern or church.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:30 amunbelievable
The Military Industrial Complex now also includes oil and the mainstream media – each of these last 2 assets are vitally important to “catapult the propaganda”.
With oil – they literally have us over a barrel.
With direct or indirect control of the media (and please remember, cross-investments and interlocking directors make what appear to be 2 separate entitie3s on paper actually 1) mean that they create an echo-chamber of lies at will.
This is really nothing less than economic terrorism.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:31 amNow we can all be assured that the news is no more or less than lies and propaganda of the state .Joseph Goebbels had children and they will be right back after this message from our sponsors .
January 17th, 2009 at 10:37 amAnother fine day in Oceania.
Another Joe Says: This is really nothing less than economic terrorism.
Excellent points. They really have taken over our government too. I’m still surprised Obama got elected. I was certain they would have stolen another one, and America the Democracy would have gone down in the history books as “over after 233 years”… replaced by America the Fascist Theocracy.
Their greed is so blinding that they don’t understand that once they’ve milked the population dry, they will have killed the very cow upon which they depended for life. Stupid greedy internecine pigs.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:40 amBloody lies .
January 17th, 2009 at 10:45 amIt matters less than nothing if the head of ABC is satisfied that their reporting was responsible (how about factual??), or, in his opinion served the public well. What matters is that the viewers feel this way. And we apparently do not. So we don’t watch those sources, and we tell our friends that ABC is a crappy source of news. ABC loses. Doofus.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:45 amIf I may say, as I have noted frequently hitherto: “In the Corporate State, corporate media ARE the State Media.”
The modern state has only propaganda with which to communicate with its constituents. It cannot NOT propagandize. Every public communication you encounter in the Corporate State–every television show, ev ery advertizement, ever press release, every news story–is always already propaganda.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:49 amTV news is no more than entertainment , there only to allow corporate advertising a forum .
January 17th, 2009 at 10:49 amDEMOCRACY NOW !
Hi glezzary
January 17th, 2009 at 10:53 amCan you get back to me on that other one about whether or not you were trying to suggest that academia was left leaning.
Thanks
I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more !!!
January 17th, 2009 at 10:53 amglezzery Says:
Television is Bullshit altogether.
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television is bullshit.
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January 17th, 2009 at 10:54 amEducated people are left leaning , thanx for clearing that up .
January 17th, 2009 at 10:56 amglezzery Says: They, that mysterious they.
What mysterious they? We were talking about Corporate America. Do you not possess reading comprehension skills? It was perfectly clear that that’s who we were dicussing.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:59 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI
January 17th, 2009 at 11:00 amReality truly has a liberal bias. It just tears up the Conservatives… LOL
January 17th, 2009 at 11:00 amFacts – what is so difficult about reporting facts, sources and information? Instead we get propaganda, opinion masked as fact, and disinformation, skewed by the unterviewee and unchallenged by the interviewer.
This matter was barely noticed in the msm – and I should not be surprised – they have prostituted themselves, while still claiming that they provide news to America.
When news reporting was considered a public service and not a pforit making entity, there were trusted newsmen who actually investigated; with the advent of making profit from the news, it became another outlet of propaganda, not to offend the advertisers.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:01 amunbelievable Says:
Reality truly has a liberal bias. It just tears up the Conservatives… LOL
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??????????
Like there is any doubt?
lmao
;)
January 17th, 2009 at 11:03 amAre all trolls smart-aleck dumbasses, who cover their ignorance with sarcasm? Evidence would seem so.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:04 amLike there is any doubt?
lmao
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Thanks glezzary
January 17th, 2009 at 11:04 amWhat about the entertainment industry, the unions, and the media?
The corporation !!!
January 17th, 2009 at 11:05 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y&feature=PlayList&p=FA50FBC214A6CE87&index=0&playnext=1
“glezzery” is right.
Smart people do tend to be more left-leaning.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:06 amglezzery Says:
Wow, what an incredible scandal. Imagine, media military analysts getting information from the Pentagon?!?! Amazing! Former Generals actually getting briefings from the Pentagon. Absurd.
Well, if you thought that wasn’t happening or these analysts use nothing but Pentagon’s briefing as their information, you are an idiot.
Figures.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I think you miss the point. The networks deliberately left viewers with the impression that these guys were simply giving their personal opinion, based on their own experiences in the military, on whatever issue they were discussing. What the networks were not telling viewrs (and this is where they were being dishonest), is that these people were getting briefed by the Pentagon for the purpose of spreading the Pentagon’s message, not to give their own opinions.
If they were more forthcoming about where their own information was coming from, or if they separated their own opinions from the Pentagon propaganda, it would not have been so bad.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:07 amglezzery Says:
The Pentagon is not a department of information dispersal.
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dispersal
One entry found.
Main Entry:
dis·pers·al
Pronunciation:
\di-?sp?r-s?l\
Function:
noun
Date:
1821
: the act or result of dispersing ; especially : the process or result of the spreading of organisms from one place to another
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:12 amIn light of thre election and inpending inauguration of the countries first Black pesident a little fact about the 14th amendment , which granted blacks equal rights as citizens .
January 17th, 2009 at 11:13 amThe Supreme Court has cited the 14th amendment ten times as often to support the rights of corporations, than to support the rights of individuals.
glezzery Says:
tokin librul Says:
““glezzery” is right.
Smart people do tend to be more left-leaning.”
They do love to flatter themselves, for sure.
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for sure.
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:13 amglezzery Says:
dbadass Says:
Hi glezzary
“Can you get back to me on that other one about whether or not you were trying to suggest that academia was left leaning.
Thanks”
??????????
Like there is any doubt?
lmao
January 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
It should neither surprise nor upset conservatives that academics tend to be liberal. Liberals are naturally more curious about the world than conservatives, who are often content to believe what they’re told by their government and those in authority. So why would a conservative, who lacks curiosity about the world around him, want to go into a field that emphasizes learning as much as possible about the world and passing it along to other people? It’s just not in their natures. And that’s the real reason most people in academia tend to be liberal. Similarly, you don’t usually see liberals lining up to join the CIA to become torturers.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:14 amglezzery Says: They do love to flatter themselves, for sure.
What’s your IQ? I bet most people here have IQs over 120 (the threshold for being ‘gifted’, aka smart). Because we have evidence, that would make our statements fact and not flattery.
But, if you’re into false falltery, go visit Rove’s website for praise to George the Disaster. It’s hilarious.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:15 amglezzery Says:
My IQ is above 80, which is the median of folks here.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Put me down in the pool for glezzery’s IQ being 82.
And if you must know, glezzery, mine was once measured at 139.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:23 amglezzery Says:
This item is a contorted piece of junk journalism and propaganda. It doesn’t like the conclusions of an official report, so it makes its own conclusion, that media analysts have no other source or ever stated their own opinion or never used their own experience.
So, its reads like this, the report doesn’t draw our own conclusions, we are stupid, we were under the impression the analysts were using other sources and Pentagon briefings prove they weren’t!?!?!?!? That is really stupid.
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that’s not really stupid.
this is.
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“Smart people do tend to be more left-leaning.”
when you’re right, you’re right.
:)
January 17th, 2009 at 11:24 amYou need to get out more, glezzery. You’ve been indoctrinated by conservative thought for too long.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:24 amglezzery Says: My IQ is above 80, which is the median of folks here.
How did I know that you aren’t smart? You really should ask yourself that, and then consider that you simply aren’t capable of understanding complex things that others are, and that rather than insult them because you’re incapable, just shut up and stop making a fool of yourself (because we can easily understand what you cannot, it demonstrates your lack of comprehension).
January 17th, 2009 at 11:25 amglezzery Says:
And that is why academics are lefties. Normal folks are DOING things. Academics have indoctrinated some of you folks to believe their own nonsense.
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Here is my evidence: My IQ is above 80.
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congratulations.
;)
January 17th, 2009 at 11:27 amgleeezy?
gleeeeeeeezy…?
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:28 amglazztroll….
The “THEY” I am refering to is easy enough to identify – mock it all you want. We can follow the money trail.
But I don’t choose to spell it out for you – look it up yourself, but denying it doesn’t exist doesn’t make it go away.
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS are being looted from the federal treasury and it is not going to a bunch of anonymous faces, but even if I was more specific, you would mock the truth anyhow.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:30 amglezzery Says: Here is my evidence: “Smart people do tend to be more left-leaning.”
That’s not evidence of flattery, if that happens to be a fact. It is a fact. Some facts are also flattering.
You should learn how to do research, and incorporate educational books into your reading list. I’m sure comic books have pretty pictures, but you really should expand your horizons.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:34 amMarie – the whole idea of “objective journalism” is a lie – and many of us were repeatedly taught this in school. I am not sure it is as big an item now.
The very nature of identifying topics adds some bias – but that is not really a problem, because we used to have more choices.
The notion that we must “balance” news is just an extension of the lie of “objective journalism”. The faux “parade of ignorance” is all possible, and highly effective with it’s base, because facts can now be dismissed as “spin” and then “balanced” with lies.
Today, you cannot even report basic, verifiable facts without the echo-chamber cranking up the “liberal media” noise machine, proclaiming that it is somehow not “objective” to state the truth when it makes the corpocracy look bad.
And let’s be clear – dur chimpfurher is only the guy that stands in front of the cameras.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:34 amBetween 1890 and 1910 there were 3o7 cases brought brought before the supreme court over the 14th amendment. 288 of these were filed by corporations claiming their rights as persons were being violated under the amendment , 19 by African Americans .
January 17th, 2009 at 11:36 amglezzery Says: And that is why academics are lefties. Normal folks are DOING things. Academics have indoctrinated some of you folks to believe their own nonsense.
What you don’t understand, because you yourself are a follower, is that we do not ‘believe’ what we are told.
What makes us liberals is that we examine all of the evidence, do our own research, do our own thinking and then form our own conclusions. The fact that we often come to the same place is not the result of pack mentality, as it is with you conservatives, but simply the result of the logical process of thought.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:37 amglezzery Says:
Liberals are their own pathetic echo chamber. They reject tried and true for every new stupid idea that enters their brain.
It is YOUTH who are naturally liberal. They sit in class and are fed stuff that they agree with. They are curious but not courageous enough to question these leftist idiot professors.
They leave school convinced they are so smart and conservatives are all idiots.
They come here daily to their retarded hate filled support group.
They coalesce into a seething group think of dumb.
All under the pretense of SMARTNESS!
this man resisted…
did you vote for him?
;)
yes
or
no?
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simple question gleezy.
if you have an iq over 80
you ought to be able to
handle it. good luck.
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:37 amNow it only remains to be seen whether our new President is a Black American or a corporation ?
January 17th, 2009 at 11:38 amIf funding of the Pentagon is going to continue with our tax dollars, then the liars and propagandists need to go away.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:38 amThere is no professionalism to speak of in journalism anymore. What masquerades as news is simply business product.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:38 amglezzery Says:
If you are so skeptical and curious of the world around you and so smart, go mpick apart the item above.
Subtract the innuendo you agree with and what do you have left?
Try it. See that the report doesn’t jibe with you, so SOMETHING has to, maybe NYTimes, who knows.
All based on the FALSE premise that ALL these former military media analysts marched lock-step to JUST the Pentagon’s propaganda. So where is the evidence for this obviously false premise?
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mpick?
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above 80?
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maybe a 79 pretending to be an 80,
eh?
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:39 amglezzery Says: Liberals are their own pathetic echo chamber. They reject tried and true for every new stupid idea that enters their brain.
You certainly have the right to follow 3,000 year old medicine, technology, and techniques – but were it not for progressive liberals, you’d still be living in a cave and using leaves for toilet paper.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:40 amGlazedover, I suggest you try prayer. Or perhaps shock therapy.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:40 amAnyone with an IQ above 80 that has benefited from the policies of this administration certainly would not be bloggin’ here.
If someone is taking the time to repeatedly post nonsense here in defense of treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity, the destruction of the US economy (and global), elimination of the middle class, and economic terrorism, they clearly didn’t get their share of the loot.
But they are stooooooopid enough to come here and tell the rest of us to drink the kool aide. Enough said…
January 17th, 2009 at 11:41 amHey glezy ,
January 17th, 2009 at 11:42 amhow about an opinion on the use of the 14th amendment which was used to grant an entity which can clone itself , live 100’s of years , be worth billions and can be in several places at once the rights of a person under US law ?
VerbalKint Says:
There is no professionalism to speak of in journalism anymore. What masquerades as news is simply business product.
Excellent point and it seems Glazedover is up to his eyes in product.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:42 amOh and did I forget is constrained by it’s own by laws to eshue any basic morality , ( barring nonprofits ).
January 17th, 2009 at 11:44 amglezzery Says:
“Marie – the whole idea of “objective journalism” is a lie – and many of us were repeatedly taught this in school. I am not sure it is as big an item now.”
So you learned this in school, that there is no objective journalism.
Even your wording is over the top.
Objectivity IS A LIE!!!!!
Well, why try if it is a lie?
Isn’t that the point?
Its JOURNALISM, not philosophy!
It is a practical endeavor and not a liberal one.
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no answer yet?
it really wasn’t that tough
of a question.
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maybe you’re a 78…
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:46 amNot that facts bother the repugs, neocons, or apologists for dur chimpfurher, but even the MSM is now reporting chimpy is the most unpopular president since analysis of approval began:
Bush’s Final Approval Rating: 22 Percent
CBS News/N.Y. Times Poll Finds President Will Leave Office With Lowest Final Approval Rating Ever
And the NYT was the lead shill in “catapulting” the lies that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction – certainly no “liberal” bias there.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:47 amglezzery Says: So you learned this in school, that there is no objective journalism.
No, she learned it from CBS, FOX, CNN, NBC…
January 17th, 2009 at 11:48 am22 percent approval is as low as it can possibly go – after all, some folks did make out like bandits, some think they will be the next group to join the looting, some are just hostile racists, some drink the kool aide, and the rest of the supporters are just mentally ill.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:49 amNot Pictured:
Gen. David Grange – CNN
Barbara Starr – CNN
AIO
January 17th, 2009 at 11:49 amThose that want to proclaim they know more than 78% of the population – that somehow chimpy was “great” and everyone else is dumb…
Well, I will just let the insanity of that position fall on its own merits.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:50 amI rest my case.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:51 amglezzery,
The “conservative” view of journalism is to report what the government says and to not question it. The “liberal” view of journalism is to report the objective facts, even (and especially) if that includes the fact that the government is lying, which the Bush Administration did all the time. What’s worse, they did it even when it wasn’t necessary, almost as if by reflex.
It is true that deciding what makes “the news” is often a subjective decision, there are certain things that warrant more attention than others. Unfortunately for the American people, conservatives discourage anyone questioning the government by calling it unpatriotic.
Hypothetically speaking (and only hypothetically), if your government ever made up information in an effort to make you believe another country was more of a threat to us than they really were, wouldn’t you want to be told that they were doing this before we invaded that country and deposed its leader? Or do yuo think we should just listen to “both sides” and decice for ourselves who’s telling the truth?
January 17th, 2009 at 11:53 amglezzery Says:
Another Joe Says:
“Those that want to proclaim they know more than 78% of the population – that somehow chimpy was “great” and everyone else is dumb…
Well, I will just let the insanity of that position fall on its own merits.”
It was a liberal that asserted that leftists are more intelligent.
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and you have spent the last
hour supporting that argument.
personally i wasn’t convinced.
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until i read your comments.
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January 17th, 2009 at 11:57 amglezy,
January 17th, 2009 at 11:58 amDo you know that USA today has reported that 10’s of millions of Americans are having there phone records stored in the worlds largest data base or that through the use of a presidential signing statement on a bill which specifically reinstates posse comitatus the president has activated an Army brigade on the American soil for the first time since the civil war ?
Perhaps you do not mind that the governments is going thru your mail because of a signing statement on a postal bill which actually forbid this ?
Perhaps the deaths of millions doesn’t bother you either because of the connection between Saddam and 911.
I want American to know it still takes a warrant to spy on them .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pmBush on the news hour .
LIE !
Your whole post is nonsense.
I don’t think it is, glezzery.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pmThese are only calls between the us and a foreign country .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pmUSA today says ….LIE.
glezzery Says:
glezzery,
“The “conservative” view of journalism is to report what the government says and to not question it. The “liberal” view of journalism is to report the objective facts, even (and especially) if that includes the fact that the government is lying, which the Bush Administration did all the time. What’s worse, they did it even when it wasn’t necessary, almost as if by reflex.”
Is that the Liberal view of the conservative view of journalism?
What it is is Nonsense. Dribble.
You obviously do not read NR or American Spectator.
Your whole post is nonsense.
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obviously you do.
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again,
did you vote for bush
or not?
it’s such an easy question.
:)
January 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pmIraq has WMD’s and was involved in 911……LIE .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pmglezzery Says: I mean really, WTF!?!?!
This is why you do not understand. You never will.
People like Einstein were super-smart, and most people are not able to understand his theory of relativity because they aren’t as smart. It’s the same with you in here. You just don’t get it.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pmThe USA doesn’t torture …..LIE .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pmAnd yet, the myth of the “liberal media” refuses to die, mainly because rightwingers have no use for facts, and live in a world driven by belief, opinion, and wishful thinking.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pmWayne A. Schneider Says: I don’t think it is, glezzery.
It isn’t. Your post was excellent. He just lacks the ability to debate you on merit because he cannot. Instead he launches the only thing he knows – ad hominems – to try to hide his inability to either understand what you said or offe a valid option to the contrary. He’s like the drunk 16 year old who thinks that his parents can’t tell. LOL
January 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pmglezzery Says:
Love all the liberal “Objective” coverage of Obama!
LMAO!
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me too.
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now, did you vote for
bush or not?
are you afraid to answer?
is this another example of
what is known as
“the cowardice of conservatism?”
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:09 pmWow… a 23%er who is not embarrassed to admit he is one. A dying breed indeed.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:09 pmGlezy,since U missed my posts above….
Between 1890 and 1910 there were 3o7 cases brought brought before the supreme court over the 14th amendment. 288 of these were filed by corporations claiming their rights as persons were being violated under the amendment , 19 by African Americans .
The Supreme Court has cited the 14th amendment ten times as often to support the rights of corporations, than to support the rights of individuals.
how about an opinion on the use of the 14th amendment which was used to grant an entity which can clone itself , live 100’s of years , be worth billions and can be in several places at once the rights of a person under US law ?
January 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pmglezzary:
Forgive me if a missed it but could you please get back to me as to # 31?
Thanks
Now did I catch you suggesting that academia doesn’t do anything but indoctrinate while the SamJoes are? I may have misinterpreted this but have you ever met any physics professors?
January 17th, 2009 at 12:11 pmglezzery Says:
Of Course i voted for Bush, twice.
I have never voted for Democrat in my life.
And there is no reason to.
I disagree with almost every Democrat issue.
Why did you ask?
I’m sure you knew the answer, being a smart person.
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took you awhile,
didn’t it?
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let’s review,
you voted for him
and you claim to have
an iq above 80?
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:11 pmA rabid supporter of the worst president ever trying to claim the higher intellectual ground?
lol
This, I gotta see. Someone please pass the popcorn…
January 17th, 2009 at 12:12 pmCorporations are not people , but they are the only ones who receive any representation in the US government and own both parties.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:15 pmPrivatize the profits socialize the losses .So much for free enterprise and letting the markets sort it out Milton. Another famous former Chicago school professor.
glezzery Says:
“The “conservative” view of journalism is to report what the government says and to not question it. The “liberal” view of journalism is to report the objective facts…”
Really, this is not a point or subject of a debate.
It is merely shallow, exaggerated, biased, garbage.
It really didn’t warrant a reply, but i am game.
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really? remember what gw once said gleezy,
“The best way to defeat this enemy in the long run is to deny them the recruiting tools, that are and-and recruiterments made possible by resentment.” November 2007
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go get ‘em tiger.
:)
January 17th, 2009 at 12:16 pmGregor Samsa Says:
A rabid supporter of the worst president ever trying to claim the higher intellectual ground?
lol
This, I gotta see. Someone please pass the popcorn…
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right now he’s at 78…
but by the time he leaves
he might just earn that
extra digit.
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let’s watch.
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:16 pmglezzery Says:
“Glezy,since U missed my posts above….
Between 1890 and 1910 there were 3o7 cases brought brought before the supreme court over the 14th amendment. 288 of these were filed by corporations claiming their rights as persons were being violated under the amendment , 19 by African Americans .
The Supreme Court has cited the 14th amendment ten times as often to support the rights of corporations, than to support the rights of individuals.
how about an opinion on the use of the 14th amendment which was used to grant an entity which can clone itself , live 100’s of years , be worth billions and can be in several places at once the rights of a person under US law ?”
I still don’t know what you are fishing for?!?!
They are Corporations, not CITIZENS.
1910?!~? What am i supposed to say, the Supreme’s can be wrong?
Whatever you were looking for, that is my reply. Whatever you like.
Maybe if you composed a coherent question i could do better.
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when you took your iq test,
did you try that answer on them?
;)
January 17th, 2009 at 12:19 pmfreeman, its now down to 22 percent, another 1 percent wised up and won’t admit to being a fan of the smirking chimp.
Guess that riled the rest of the backwash up, sending trolls out to all the progressive blogs.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:22 pmglezzery Says:
Of Course i voted for Bush, twice.
You might find it a bit harder to live with that than you realize just now.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:24 pmglezzery Says:
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Conservatives are propaganda tools and the liberal press is objective~!?~?~
Its laughable in its certainty.
Its not even supported by science.
There is no doubt the press is liberal, biased, and losing business.
Would anyone make the case this is not true?
Please do.
…here’s a story for you glezy . While returning from a business trip I caught 10 minutes on CNN all about te presidents newly formed committee created to help fledgling democracies abroad .Upon returning home later that day I caught democracy nows interview with Bertram aristide who said the the CIA has overthrown his government in Haiti kidnapped him held him for days against his will in an airplane and forcibly flew him out of the country. Hows that ?
January 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pmOh and did you know that the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Chile on 911 1973 and 10’s of 1000’s of people were killed, many tortured to death in death style concentration camps .Never heard of it , it being 911 and all?
Having spent last winter in Chile I can tell you this is what the Chileans believe and that every major city in the country has memorials and streets named to commemorate the fact.
glezzery Says:
My thesis is that
You don’t have a thesis. You have somebody else’s thesis. Right wing authoritarians don’t develop ideas on their own. They ape the words fed to them by their manipulators.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pm114:
January 17th, 2009 at 12:27 pmTalk to me more unless you wish to selectively exclude data that fails to reinforce your thesis
glezzery Says:
My thesis is that most of the stuff on this site is nonsense.
Not that i am smarter than x or hold a higher int. or moral ground.
I am not even saying i am better.
I dont even accuse all folks here of being dummies.
And i don’t show any sweeping support for Bush.
My thesis is that this site is just a big group think and the conclusions are pre-packaged Cons-Bad, Libs-Good.
Con. journalism is all Pro Gov (LOL)
Lib journalism OBJECTIVE!!! Probing!
he forgets:
glezzery Says:
My IQ is above 80, which is the median of folks here.
:)
starting to go off the rails,
isn’t he?
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:28 pmGleezy,
January 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pmEver read Rebuilding America’s Defences or any of the paper work from the PNAC which advocated unilateral use of American military force and specifically the invasion of the ME in order to control world oil supply pre 911.Most of the Bush Administration are signatories and I quote …
” but barring a national catastrophe it will be hard to galvanize the American public behind such a scheme.”
Oh the liberal media neglected to tell you this , didn’t they . You don’t get out much , do you .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pmKnow about the USA’s history in Iran ?
January 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pmEver see the photo of Rumsfeld shaking the hand of Saddam as he armed him to the teeth in a war against Iran because the CIA couldn’t topple the government there AGAIN ?
EVER READ THE CONSTITUTION ?
Posse comitatus , habeas corpus…. are probably greek to U as well .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pmYeah, it will be an actual thesis and it will be filled with intelligent stuff like “Bush is War Criminal”, “Bush is an idiot”…
It will feature Wall Street funding for the site where folks can rail against Wall Street.
It will feature some members denying they are socialists here and others proudly admitting it.
And sweeping dumbness of Liberal reporting is “objective” followed by rejections of all objectivity…
All good stuff.
Hilarious and sad.
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all at the same time?
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are you taking your
wife’s mydol?
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:37 pmglezzery Says:
I get out.
Sometimes this is fun.
I don’t come here to be miserable.
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quitters never win…
and winners never quit.
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good luck gleeezy.
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:38 pmglezzery Says:
Hilarious and Sad.
Yes
At the same time.
Ever see Raising Arizona?
Fargo?
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liberal movies?
you?
wtf?
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:41 pmSure I have.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:43 pmHave you seen “The Man that Wasn’t There”?
So about #31 and also this thesis of yours…
glezzery Says:
Ok looks like we are down to my wife’s Midol, so this shit has run its course.
Have a great day!
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how many times do you say goodbye
before you actually go away?
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pmGlezy , The only thing liberal about the media is the sitcoms and soap opera’s. Liberal media is as group think a concept as is possible .Oh and by the way I am regularly take heat here for disagreeing with the Obamabots as ae many of the other posters .But I try to actually use facts and reasoned argument , whereas U use only platitudes .
January 17th, 2009 at 12:47 pm95 % of all print radio and tv in the US is controlled by a 6 large corporations .
glezzery Says:
Adrian Belew- Young Lions. Kicks Ass!
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still here?
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January 17th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThe US constitution is the issue ,which our elected representitives are sworn to protect ,isn’t very important to U is it ?
January 17th, 2009 at 12:54 pmMore than a million deaths is probably just shit on a wall too .
glezzery [#54]Says:
Liberals are their own pathetic echo chamber. They reject tried and true for every new stupid idea that enters their brain. Could you give me a couple of examples of the “tried and true” which “pathetic echo chamber” liberals are rejecting?
Would those examples of “tried and true” include, on national and international levels, the following? Bribery, lying, intellectual nepotism, cheating, stealing, war-mongering, tossing red herrings, using “a good offense” as the best defense, or scare tactics? How about the following logical fallacies? [your IQ knows what a "fallacy" is, right?] Arguing ad hominem [your IQ knows how to define this, right?], creating straw men, the domino theory, the band-wagon approach, the appeal to tradition, and the slippery slope? All of these methods of controlling others in order to get one’s own way DO work. All of them have worked for millenia, in fact. Jesus commented nearly 2,000 years ago that using such tactics would ensure one’s success “in this world.” He did NOT say that they were MORAL, and He definitely did not give them His mark of approval. [Yes, I'm a liberal Christian lunatic who believes all that schmaltz. Hence, I am the enemy.]
Your “tried and true” list doesn’t include these? What a surprise.
Incidentally, my IQ is 153. I have a Ph.D. What do you have besides a jaundiced outlook, vast pits of hatred and resentment, and a bad mouth?
What a surprise.
January 17th, 2009 at 1:07 pmglezzery Says:
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Ok Bye, Have a nice Day.
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January 17th, 2009 at 1:13 pmWhat before we have the chance to discuss things? Seems sort of a need of convenience…
to my knowledge Glezy hasn’t bothered using a single fact in any of his arguments on this thread which leads me to believe he is not worth debating in the future.
January 17th, 2009 at 1:18 pmOh I see. Even the Inspector General’s office is spewing propaganda on us. Nice.
January 17th, 2009 at 1:55 pm*Defense Inspector General, I meant to say.
January 17th, 2009 at 1:55 pmglezzery Says:
For Joe: I despise the right wing Newsmax/Hannity echo chamber as much as i despise the same on the Left.
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good to know.
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have you commented there
and told them that you
despise them too?
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or do you just hang
out around here?
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January 17th, 2009 at 2:51 pmProps to “glezzery” for kicking his own dumb ass. :-D
Group hug, ya big old bunch of enablers!!
January 17th, 2009 at 3:28 pmIt’s so hard to respond to this revolting, anti-American garbage. This guy says we all understand (& accept) the Pentagon propaganda crap?? Sorry, no. Most of us do NOT understand why the Pentagon must twist or hide the truth. Few people trust the Pentagon anymore– don’t they find that disturbing? If not, they should be fired. If yes, they should work quickly to restore faith in an institution that has moved away from honesty & into lies & propaganda. They’re supposed to protect us!! — instead they hide from us every lie, manipulation, & indiscretion possible.
January 17th, 2009 at 3:46 pmglezzery Says:
My IQ is above 80, which is the median of folks here.
I am truly astonished by that post. You’re clearly brilliant enough to realize that’s a great number to come in here and brag about. Eighty. Woo, you sure got us there. Wow.
It’s like someone kicking in the TP saloon door and shouting “listen up you idiots, I’ve got a 2nd grade education and a 3rd grade reading level, and I’m here to tell ya…”
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glezzery Says:
Ok looks like we are down to my wife’s Midol, so this shit has run its course.
glezzery has finally cleaned out his medicine cabinet…
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glezzery Says:
My blind cat is staring at me. Weird right?
Yikes. I recommend you sleep it off. Either that or induce vomiting and call for an ambulance. Good luck, glez.
January 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pm.
“REPORTING THE TRUTH”…
… Is nothing but a lie!
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January 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pm.
“THE NO SPIN ZONE”…
… Is nothing but spin.
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January 17th, 2009 at 6:38 pm.
Why of course it’s not propaganda when the Pentagon does it, YES?
Why of course it’s not illegal when the Pentagon does it to the American People, YES?
And of course, when the MSM does it, that means it’s the truth, YES?
p.s.
No convictions = legal… ?
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January 17th, 2009 at 6:42 pmEveryone understands that there are serial killers. We do not respond to that by throwing up our hands and saying, “What do you expect”, every time a body turns up.
January 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pmOne almost gets the impression that there is a conspiracy against our democracy of vast right-wing proportions.
Much of the mainstream news media in lock-step with conservative propagandists at the Pentagon (no attribution) and throughout the Bush White House (unnamed officials).
The Posse Comitus Act being negated, leading to news that a U.S. Army unit has been assigned inside the United States to respond to any “emergency” as declared by whomever is in the White House. This Army unit has the latest in crowd control equipment, as tested against crowds over in Iraq. But what happened to our states’ national guard units? Oh, right, Iraq.
One year after Hurricane Katrina, the Bush administration got the Republican-controlled Congress to strip authority from all of our nation’s state governors, who now no longer have control over their state’s national guard units during any “emergency” in their state, an “emergency” declared and defined by whomever is in the White House, for whatever duration.
Our federal government, during the Bush/Cheney years, has been illegally spying on U.S. citizens, data-mining, often outsourced to right-wing contractors and sub-constractors.
Several years ago, the Bush administration got their co-conspirator Republican pals in Congress to allocate $385 million for the construction of “detention centers” around the country for immigration “and for other purposes.”
I don’t know about you, but I think I see a pattern forming…FASCISM…blatant, naked, un-American FASCISM…neo-Communist, neo-Nazi FASCISM.
So, why would anyone be surprised that some of the corporate FASCIST heads of our news media, with the help of a FASCIST IG, would deny what we now know they’ve been doing? (What’s interesting is that some more honorable, adversarial elements in our nation’s news media uncovered what the corporate FASCIST heads had been doing, indicating that hope for the Fourth Estate still remains, even if by a slender thread).
The question is: will a President Barack Obama, and members of his administration, reverse course, or will he and his new executive branch crew wield the FASCIST tools handed over to them by the outgoing Bush/Cheney administration?
And will the Democratic-controlled Congress reverse course as well, overturning some of the FASCIST-hugging laws previous Republican-controlled, lapdog Congresses willing passed on behalf of the FASCISTS in the Bush/Cheney administration?
We’ll soon see.
History has shown us that once a nation’s citizens loose their inherent, supposedly inalienable freedoms, it is damn hard to regain them.
The election of Barack Obama to be our 44th president is a positive sign, but will he fall victim to the same uncontrollable and uncontestable lust for power as displayed by so many outgoing conservative members of the most corrupt and criminal administration in American history?
Once again, we’ll soon see.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:32 pmIt is illegal by black letter law for the Pentagon to spend ANY taxpayer money to propagandize Americans PERIOD.
January 18th, 2009 at 10:17 pm“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
- William Colby, former Director of the CIA (1920-1996)
Source: Derailing Democracy: The America the Media Don’t Want You to See (2000), by Dave McGowan
“In 1983, 50 corporations controlled the vast majority of all news media in the U.S. At the time, Ben Bagdikian was called ‘alarmist’ for pointing this out in his book, The Media Monopoly. In his 4th edition, published in 1992, he wrote ‘in the U.S., fewer than two dozen of these extraordinary creatures own and operate 90% of the mass media’ — controlling almost all of America’s newspapers, magazines, TV and radio stations, books, records, movies, videos, wire services and photo agencies… When the 6th edition of The Media Monopoly was published in 2000, the number had fallen to six. Since then, there have been more mergers and the scope has expanded to include new media like the Internet market.”
Source: http://www.corporations.org/media/
“The military’s propaganda program largely has been aimed at Iraqis, but seems to have spilled over into the U.S. media. One briefing slide about U.S. “strategic communications” in Iraq, prepared for Army Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top U.S. commander in Iraq, describes the ‘home audience’ as one of six major targets of the American side of the war.”
Source: Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi Jordanian Painted As Foreign Threat To Iraq’s Stability
“Daschle and Leahy held the most important roles in Congress, as Majority Leader and Chair of Judiciary, respectively, in the possible blockage of the PATRIOT Act, which both men had originally indicated they might oppose.
January 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pmThe long-time attacks on NBC News and other media outlets perceived to have a ‘Liberal’ bias are well known.
It should be noted that Anthrax letters were also sent to the Editor of the New York Post (a Rupert Murdoch-owned paper) and the National Enquirer offices, whose political bent, if they have one, seems difficult to discern.”
Source: Corporate Media Coverage of Now-Deceased U.S. Army Bio-Researcher/Suspect Fails to Note Obvious ‘Liberal’ Targets of Deadly Post-9/11, Pre-War Letter Campaign
Brad Friedman