‘I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear…’
‘I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear…’
Our 44th President takes the oath of office. There was a trivial, momentary slip when Chief Justice John Roberts asked Obama to recite the first line of the oath in the incorrect order. Roberts said “execute the office of President to the United States faithfully,” rather than “faithfully execute.” The oath reads: “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Obama paused and allowed Roberts to correct himself. Watch it:
Read President Obama’s full Inauguration Address below:
My fellow citizens:
I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.
Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because We the People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forbearers, and true to our founding documents.
So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.
That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.
These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land – a nagging fear that America’s decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.
Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America – they will be met.
On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.
On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.
We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted – for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things – some celebrated but more often men and women obscure in their labor, who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.
For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.
For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.
For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.
Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.
This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions – that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.
For everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act – not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology’s wonders to raise health care’s quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. And all this we will do.
Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions – who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.
What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them – that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works – whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public’s dollars will be held to account – to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day – because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.
Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched, but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control – and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on our ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart – not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience’s sake. And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more.
Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.
We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort – even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus – and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.
To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society’s ills on the West – know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.
To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world’s resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.
As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us today, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment – a moment that will define a generation – it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.
For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter’s courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent’s willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.
Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends – hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism – these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility – a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
This is the price and the promise of citizenship.
This is the source of our confidence – the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.
This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed – why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.
So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America’s birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people:
“Let it be told to the future world…that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive…that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it].”
America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children’s children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God’s grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
This is like the liberation of Paris, 1944.
Woo Hoo!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pmBuh’bye, Bush, you worthless creep. Don’t let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out.
Tee-hee!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:30 pmThere was a trivial, momentary slip when Chief Justice John Roberts asked Obama to recite the first line of the oath in the incorrect order.
Pretty telling that Obama seems to know the words of the Oath of Office better than the Chief Justice or any other Republican for that matter…..
January 20th, 2009 at 12:30 pmCongratulations PRESIDENT Barack Hussein Obama…
…now measure Bush’s for a prison suit.
Eat it Daryll, no Phuckabee as president.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:30 pmThank God.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmOnce again proud to be an American.
its over…its FINALLY over….
January 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmWHooo Hoooo!!!!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmBob Says:
Thank God.
Once again proud to be an American.
…and our long (8-year) national nightmare is over.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:32 pmI feel safer already. The Worst is finally over.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pmThe voice of a LEADER… I have tears in my eyes, and pride in my heart.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pmI’ve got my country back! Thank you, Barack Hussein Obama. Thank you, voters of the United States of America. Congratulations.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pmVFA says;
Obama is our prez NOW!
Eat shit & die troll.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pmFlag flying is not just for yahoos anymore.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pmOoo – check out the redesign: http://www.whitehouse.gov/
January 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pmUncle Ho, I think shit is troll delicacy. They are full of it, you know.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:40 pmHooray.
I can finally feel proud to be an American again.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pmA young person said it had better be a good speech.
IT WAS!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pmCongratulations America. The 8 longest years in history have finally passed and George W Bush is no longer president of the United States. I repeat George W Bush is no longer president of the United States.
President Barack Hussein Obama. Like music to my ears :)
January 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pmCongratulations America. I am thrilled for you and the rest of the world.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmMission Accomplished!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pmOk, SERIOUSLY TP, your filters are F’ING TRASH.
I wrote up a much longer post than the one above that contained NO profanity.
It was not posted, I can only assume, due to your crap-A$$ filters.
The reason I say they are crap-A$$ is my comment gets blocked and yet PatrioticLiberalChristian (Sorry to single you out, PLC) gets away with using the “SH” word. I will not print said word because your filters are such crap that they will most likely block me unlike PLC.
UGH.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pmwoot
January 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pmliberal traitor Says:
I can finally feel proud to be an American again.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
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Me too. It’s about time. It’ll be nice not being embarrassed of my nationality.
And now it’s time to get to work. We’ve got a lot to fix.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pmWe have a President who genuinely smiles, rather than smirks.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pmWe have a Vice-President who genuinely smiles, rather than scowls. They have an 83% approval rating from citizens, because they approve of the citizens. A new era begins.
Thank God that Bush and Cheney are gone. Every living creature on Earth should be celebrating.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pm(Sorry to single you out, PLC)
No problem. Your analysis (a word I’ve been moderated for a lot) is worthwhile.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pmvoteforamerica Says:
Alright, enough, vfa. You’re leaving your droppings all over this site. You couldn’t let just this one thread alone? Jeez!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pmNow disappear chimpy.
Gawd this nut is gone finally.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm18. — That young person was Malia Obama!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:53 pmBehind that seal is an American leader as of 12:01 PM EST.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:54 pmI was flipping chimpy the finger while he flew off.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pmYou guys are idiot.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pmFunny as hell.
The crowd was chanting Sha-na-na while chimpy flew off.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
January 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pmIf only that Bush-bearing helicopter were headed to a military prison…ah, it still feels good.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pmbartmanl Says:
You guys are idiot.
Actually, we are idiots. There are many of us. But, thanks for noticing. We appreciate your compliment.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:00 pmbartmanl Says:
You guys are idiot.
whatever chimpette.
We won!
You lost!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmRoberts said “execute the office of President of the United States faithfully,” rather than “faithfully executive.”
Seems like the editors also had a trivial, momentary slip…
Other than that, congratulations, you guys. Best of luck for y’all!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmGame of Life Says:
I was flipping chimpy the finger while he flew off.
Hehe, I was doing that also….nice to think just how many people were doing that at the same time.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmliberal traitor Says:
Ok, SERIOUSLY TP, your filters are F’ING TRASH.
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What you need to do is COPY the comment before trying to post.
That way, if TP does blip it, at least you don’t have to start all over again.
I understand yer frustration. It’s happened to me, ‘n more than once…
January 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmI need say NOTHING about that, it speaks for itself… lol!
Onward!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pmbartmanl Says:
You guys are idiot.
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Proving once again, wingnuts just don’t get irony.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pmbartmanl Says:
You guys are idiot.
You still haven’t taken those evening Adult Learning English classes yet have you, Trajun?
The irony of you posting this and screwing it up is thick indeed.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pmbartmanl Says:
You guys are idiot.
Check your elegant use of the English language and you will notice that you are the idiot.
Cons don’t seem to have 2 brain cells to rub together.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pmRandom thoughts:
- No thanks to Chief Justice Roberts for tripping up and putting the re-playability of Obama’s oath in question. Thanks to TP for pointing Robert’s mistake right away.
-In the wheelchair, out of office and to the dungeon in McLean, Va. — Dick Cheney’s new home is a convenient relocation for those torture cells now that they no longer fit within our government. (Really, Cheney’s new home really does appear to be a dungeon.)
- The supreme court put a filthy turd into the custody of America on January 20, 2001, but today that turd was released back into the custody of George H.W. Bush.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:03 pm“Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort – even greater cooperation and … We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus – and non-believers.”
The inclusiveness and wisdom of this 44th President is just so inspiring I’ve taken the flag out of storage and am proud to say my vote counted!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:06 pmWe can be proud, America. And then we can get to work, as our new president asked us to do. What a great day!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pmLET THE PARTIES BEGIN!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pmNow watch the right-wing knuckle-draggers create a huge false-scandal, saying that since the chief justice didn’t recite the words correctly, the oath is invalid, and Obama stole the White House, he’s illegitimate, blah blah blah.
Suck it! (thanks Tina Fey)
January 20th, 2009 at 1:09 pmAaahhhh… the leader of my country is no longer an evil imbecile. That feels good to say.
I like how they walked Bush from the ceremony directly to a helicopter to make sure his ass immediately got out of town.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pmBuckie Boy Says:
bartmanl Says:
You guys are idiot.
Check your elegant use of the English language and you will notice that you are the idiot.
Cons don’t seem to have 2 brain cells to rub together.
They usually have at least 2 brain cells, but those hardly ever meet within the vast empty cavities of their heads.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pmThe contrast between Obama’s inauguration speech and Limbaugh’s screech as presented in the previous thread is incredible. It perfectly portrays the true change we as a nation have made. Now, we need to nurture and grow that change, together, as Obama challenged us to do.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pmA day for the ages.
A day for great national pride.
A day filled with hope.
Save your newspapers, save your memorabilia; these are things to pass down through your family.
Congratulations to one and all!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmThe work of turning around the ship of state starts now.
It’s going to take at least half the amount of time to solve the problems that have peaked over the last few years — 4-5 years. If I were president I wouldn’t know where to start even if there were an easy button on my desk. The woefully inept really know how to leave a mess for the most competent.
P.S. — Trolls, replace “defecate” for “vindicate” when you’re referring to the history books.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmNice to hear he used the name his Mother gave him as he sould always be proud of it. It is always that smile and those big ears that makes him special.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pmHaha he screwed it up
January 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pmNow people can say “President” again without rolling their eyes.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:13 pmYou can say that again. Bush really did screw it up.
Now, do you mind not going Nelson Muntz on us?
January 20th, 2009 at 1:15 pmWhat a great day!
ALL walks of life are finally included in the United States.
We are one.
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old_hack Says:
Haha he screwed it up
Actually Roberts screwed it up, Obama waited until Roberts stated the oath correctly, dumbass.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:15 pmYes, he did, and Barack was kind enough to wait for him to get himself in order and do it right.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pmold_hack Says:
Haha he screwed it up
Did you even read the above post? The man who is charged with interpreting the constitution for the rest of the country to follow screwed up a basic recitation. President Obama paused so Roberts could correct himself.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pmKnow why Cheney needed a wheelchair????
‘Cause he couldn’t walk around with the Ball and Chain on his ankle!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pmJust one word….FINALLY!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pmYesterday’s trash in in the bins and a new day for America begins.
We have a lot of hard work to do in the next years…don’t ever forget that it took the wingnuts many years to do the damage done. They will fight tooth & nail to ensure we don’t succeed.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pmWe will fight just as hard to restore justice & honesty to our government.
Thank you, America; let the healing begin today…
Buckie Boy, Game of Life,
I was flippin’ him off and throwing my OdorEaters at my TV while Botch was flying off.
Sing along…
Ding dong the Botch is gone.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pmThe stupid Botch,
The useless Botch.
Ding dong the evil Botch is gone!
“execute faithfully” or “faithfully execute”??
January 20th, 2009 at 1:20 pmWho cares (besides old hack) as long as he actually does it, unlike Bush.
I thought it was a very good speech, and very well delivered too.
It is so refreshing to have a president who can speak good English instead of Texan “malapropistic” gibberish.
Suck on that, haters.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pmHey, he’s only the 43rd person to take the oath. One guy was two presidents…but what the hell…great speech…great day.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:22 pmI think what I admire most about our new President is that, amidst his strength and confidence, is a patience… the like of which I have not seen for a long time.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:22 pmBreaking news: Bush appointee can’t do his job right.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pmAnd Chris Wallace says Obama may not be president because the oath was said wrong.
Denial … it’s not just a river, y’all.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pmWatching Dick in the wheelchair reminded me of Mr. Potter in “It’s a Wonderful Life”. Only Mr. Potter had a better rating than Cheney.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pmMcWars Says:
old_hack Says:
Haha he screwed it up
Did you even read the above post? The man who is charged with interpreting the constitution for the rest of the country to follow screwed up a basic recitation. President Obama paused so Roberts could correct himself.
Ya know President Obama did approve of roberts appointment.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pmDIDN’T
DID NOT
January 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pmDID’T APPROVE
sorry
January 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pmOh, man, didn’t think of this…
….what are the comedians going to do now that we don’t have a complete idiot as President?
January 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pmI have dried my tears of joy and sit in awe of what I just witnessed. What a wonderous day for all of us, and I heave a huge sigh of relief that we actually made.
IMHO, Justice Roberts stumbled over the oath because he knew he’d have to pronounce the word “constitution” and that had to make him uncomfortable.
With hope and a glad heart, I bid all of us…
PEACE
January 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pmAnd just why in the hell am I dwelling over a triviality that reich-wingers will repackage to talk radio, regardless of who is at fault?
WE HAVE A 44th PRESIDENT (D-AMERICA)!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pmI LOLed
January 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pmAnd I will reiterate that Mr. Obama patiently waited for Mr. Robers to get up to speed and get it right.
One good thing a leader does is to lead by example.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pmWhoops… my apologies GoL.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pmWatch all of the nutjobs on the right make a big deal about this.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pm#48, while watching the Obamas escort the Bushes to the helo, my evil monkey kept hoping to see President Barak kick li’l George down the steps. It would have been a fitting end to his wretched reign.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:35 pmI may be wrong, but don’t the president-elect and vice president-elect take their real oaths ahead of time, and that what we saw outside was purely ceremonial? That way, if the public ceremony is interrupted, the new president can still legally take office. The constitution only requires that the president take the oath before entering the office, not necessarily immediately before. I don’t think Chris Wallace is right. Barack Obama is legally the 44th President of the United States.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:36 pmWhy is that news?
January 20th, 2009 at 1:36 pmMcWars Says:
old_hack Says:
Haha he screwed it up
Did you even read the above post? The man who is charged with interpreting the constitution for the rest of the country to follow screwed up a basic recitation. President Obama paused so Roberts could correct himself.
More childish rants from repugs. It’s like the fake flag pin thing, fake and silly. NO MORE FRAT BOY BS.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pmUncle Fester Lurks Says:
Watch all of the nutjobs on the right make a big deal about this.
They already are. Just check out the comments right now at the WaPo. The drooling, hate-filled contingent of GOP supporters is out in full force there, and they’re clinging to this phony oath flub story like a life raft in the middle of an ocean storm.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pmGOL corrected himself, Dr. Matt.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
I don’t think Chris Wallace is right. Barack Obama is legally the 44th President of the United States.
If what was said on CNN is correct, Obama became the 44th president of the United States today at noon, with or without an oath.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
“If only that Bush-bearing helicopter were headed to a military prison…ah, it still feels good.”
Better yet, headed to the center of earth at 9.8 m/sec2.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pmHow long now until Glenn Beck and Hannity are frothing at the mouth, claiming Obama isn’t really president?
For neocons, it just couldn’t have been John Roberts fault. Not if you ask one of Billo’s body language experts!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pmThanks for the post, Wayne. If Bush and Cheney’s terms expired at 12:00 PM, did that mean Pelosi could be designated to take office until Obama took the oath? I like these constitutional questions.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:44 pmFinally the Bush,Jr. era officially is over…with Cheney on his wheel chair,and Bush heading to the airport to Texas,Americans can take a relief after 8 years of Bush/Cheney administration,which seemed at one point an endless one,but it is over now.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pmHow could he have set Vicil Rights back 50 years if they were just invented by you now, JK?
January 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pmTexans aren’t safe, seeing as though now Bush can booze it up again.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pmBHO…
IOW, our unity comes from our diversity. Is that a accurate paraphrasing of this remark? …have to give additional thought to the idea that diversity will keep the united in United States of America.
Nonetheless, congrates to BHO, 44th POTUS.
Some interesting inaugural history at
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=19942
Numbered references at the link.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pmWelcome aboard, Mr. President.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pmRoberts simply made a minor speaking error.I don’t think it’s a big deal at all, much ado about nothing.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pmI am focusing on the last inauguration in 2000, the weather was hideous, raining(Heaven was crying), the protests.
Today is a beautiful day, cold but nice. Barack has very high expectations from the people. We all have to remember Rome wasn’t built in a day. His work is unprecedented in the history of the US. God Bless President Barack Obama!!!!
And good riddance to Alfred E Newman.
JK thinks the Jim Crow laws were just great! And he misses them like he misses Bob’s Big Boy.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pmSouthern Beale Says:
And Chris Wallace says Obama may not be president because the oath was said wrong.
Why do people who don’t know what they’re talking about get to talk news on the teevee?
January 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pmMcWars Says:
Thanks for the post, Wayne. If Bush and Cheney’s terms expired at 12:00 PM, did that mean Pelosi could be designated to take office until Obama took the oath? I like these constitutional questions.
No, Obama and Biden took office at 12:00 PM, oath or not.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pmJK @ 99
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“An empty barrel makes the most noise.”
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That explains your posting in bold type, is that correct?
January 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pmJohn Kerry Says:
“An empty barrel makes the most noise”
Yes, you do, don’t you…I guess that why you use BOLD type.
Let’s all point and laugh at JK, the sorry, inadequate, cry-baby troll….
….HA HA!!!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pmIt’s pathetic to see the desperate rightwingers spin the fact that Roberts screwed up the oath, while Obama gave him a pause to start over, and they blame the error on Obama.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pmHow pathetic. How desperate. How awful are they feeling today — and I am so happy that they are feeling so bad.
(Via Oingo Boingo to The Worst President Ever:)
“Without a doubt, I’m telling you I’m burnt out
My tank is running on empty for far too long
Woah! I need fuel cause Im getting so low
Something drives me crazy, got to, got to get away
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sljpc3UgWnA
January 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pmThe trolls just like rush can’t let it go…..heh.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pmFor all those here and on wingradio and teevee who are or will try to claim that President Obama (sorry, just can’t get enough of saying/typing that!) is not legally president because Justice Roberts can’t recite a single sentence, I say…
At least President Obama was legally elected! Not appointed, not fudged into a re-elect by Diebold, but actually elected by We the People.
So while you Vitter your pants, please read The Constitution. President Obama is President Obama and would be at this minute regardless.
PEACE
January 20th, 2009 at 1:58 pmI especially enjoy it that Mr. Obama knew that the Chief Justice had screwed up.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmBuckie Boy.
I admire your quick wit :-)
January 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmNo, Obama and Biden took office at 12:00 PM, oath or not.
No disrespect intended, ElBruce, and I don’t want to fight with fellow lefties, but why, then, would the Constitution require that “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:–”I do solemnly swear (or affirm)…” if the oath was not necessary?
I would say that if he did not properly take the oath at some point before noon, he might be president, but he would have no constitutional authority.
BTW, I enjoy discussing constitutional issues. As far as I’m concerned, Barack Obama IS the president. All of this is hypothetical. (Besides, as I said, I think the real “official” oath was done ahead of time.)
January 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmMcWars and Dr. Matt
Gee guys, I thought you knew that I don’t like repugs. And I’m very happy with President Obama. I simply love the man.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pmMcWars and Dr. Matt
No problem. Excited typing isn’t my thing.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pmYou thinking is not diverse enough to understand.
He was saying that we choose to unite, not because we are all the same, but because we are a diverse people who choose to unite.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pmAfter eight years of low (or no) regard for the Constitution, no one cares if the adverb comes before or after the verb in the Oath. That is except for sore losers.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pmPLC understands that bitblt has should refrain from giving “additional thought to the idea that diversity will keep the united in United States of America”. PLC is concerned that such thought, being contrary to bitblt’s customary functioning is likely to result in several malfunctions in the different (”diverse”) organs combined in the single entity (”united”) known as bitblt.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pmCongratulations to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden…….and to us the people. Our long nightmare is finally over. Let the celebrations begin!!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pmI would say that if he did not properly take the oath at some point before noon, he might be president, but he would have no constitutional authority.
Guffaw. Obama said the oath correctly. Roberts screwed it up. Obama waited for Roberts to correct himself and then he said the correct oath.
When Obama is done being president in 8 years I hope the next Democratic administration nominates him to the Supreme Court. Clearly he’s already doing a better job than the current Chief Justice.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pmJohn Kerry Says:
I think Brotha O took the Vicil Rights Movement BACK 50 years!!
January 20th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
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Is that the best you’ve got?
Wow. Pathetic trolling attempt. No free McCain t-shirt for you!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pmThe wackadoos never quit. There are some still claiming that Obama isn’t President because he’s not qualified and they’re expecting the Supremes to step in at any moment. Ignoring the fact that the Chief Justice administered the oath of office.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
PLC understands that bitblt has should refrain from giving “additional thought to the idea that diversity will keep the united in United States of America”. PLC is concerned that such thought, being contrary to bitblt’s customary functioning is likely to result in several malfunctions in the different (”diverse”) organs combined in the single entity (”united”) known as bitblt.
WTF????
January 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pmWhat Roberts actually said was: “execute the office of President TO the United States faithfully” — that TO instead of OF really tripped me up and I suspect it threw Obama too.
Bastard. I’ll bet there’s wingnuts out there now claiming that Obama’s not really president b/c the oath was mangled.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:09 pmDynamo Says:
What’s the matter dynamouse, did you lose your job in the bush/republican depression?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:11 pmObama has to take the official Constitutional oath, not repeat whatever oath Roberts made up. Or else, Chief Justices would have all kinds of fun with the incoming Presidents:
Roberts: “I do solemnly swear that I will execute the office of President of the United States faithfully, and will to the best of my ability, protect the innocent, serve the public trust, and uphold the Law… oh, and also follow the secret 4th directive”.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pmGame of Life Says:
McWars and Dr. Matt
Gee guys, I thought you knew that I don’t like repugs. And I’m very happy with President Obama. I simply love the man.
I didn’t doubt you for a minute, GoL. You are a recognizable true progressive. Dissent doesn’t bother me, and if Obama did vote to confirm Roberts, I wouldn’t mind you pointing that out in the least.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pm“We Reject as False the Choice between Our Safety and Our Ideals”
Sounds like impeachment time.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pmObama should meet on television with one of the wing-nuts saying he’s not President because he botched the oath. Then Obama can say the oath, correctly, to the wing-nut and !voila! the oath is taken. The Constitution does not say that a person is not President until he takes the oath, only that he must take the oath before “executing” the duties.
Interesting thought – the Constituion says “he” must take the oath. If Hillary had won, who would be the “he” to take the oath?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pmMcWars Says:
Game of Life Says:
McWars and Dr. Matt
Gee guys, I thought you knew that I don’t like repugs. And I’m very happy with President Obama. I simply love the man.
I didn’t doubt you for a minute, GoL. You are a recognizable true progressive. Dissent doesn’t bother me, and if Obama did vote to confirm Roberts, I wouldn’t mind you pointing that out in the least.
Thank you brother.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pmDynamo Says:
No, just the opposite. I quit because mediocrity is now the new America way.
What, too high a goalpost for you?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pmIt can’t be a great moment in American history to trolls like Dynamo, no sir, it’s troll overtime. It’s their right-wing radio implants leaking.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pmGame of Life Says:
PatrioticLiberalChristian Says…
WTF????
I have to assume you’ve not read much of bitblt before, so I’ll explain: 1. bitblt likes to refer to himself in the pompous third person, which I am mocking, 2. I am mocking bitblt’s lack of logic by suggesting that he not engage in any “additional thinking” (his phrase), and 3. I am mocking bitblt’s pretend lack of understanding of “e pluribus unum”, diverse people united in commonality.
AOK????
January 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pmhoeless Says:
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He was saying that we choose to unite, not because we are all the same, but because we are a diverse people who choose to unite.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
but because we are a diverse people who choose to unite.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pmAnd we do this because….?
No, just the opposite. I quit because mediocrity is now the new America way.
Yesterday when George Bush in office the memo was “Ignore Libs, nothing is wrong with America.” All that changes in a day, I see?
Also, if you believe it’s plausible to move forward under the meme that President Obama is automatically worthy of the same harsh criticism that former Botchident Bush received, you have a lot coming.. Don’t blame America for not hesitating to criticize the massive destruction your expired idol received just because he has an R after his name.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pmright dynamo, why wouldn’t we believe you? Or care?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pmI can’t believe we finally made it.
Congratulations to America and congratulations to all here who recognized what was going on with our Country (early on or who came late to the game) and, who not only posted here, but also pointed it out to those around them.
Our country is like an ocean that warms and cools. It takes single molecules to heat others around them before the Ocean can be warm again. The warmth of truth may have been met w/ apparent indifference or resistance for some period, but you made a difference. You made the difference.
Thanks to everyone here for their contribution, great or small, to this momentous and truly joyous moment for our incredible Nation!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pmTrolls will be Trolls, Wingnuts will be Wingnuts.
So, John Kerry, et al, you must be in line with the drug addled hate radio bufoon who ‘hopes he fails’, eh?
My humble advice would be to follow Stephen Baldwin.
Go somewhere, anywhere, because it’s a new day in America!
If you can bear it, however, there’s still room in this big tent called the USA. Open minds are the only credential needed.
I know, I know, I’m wasting my time here, but someone has to offer an option to you. Hey, it beats suicide or Paraguay!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pmbitblt Says:
but because we are a diverse people who choose to unite.
And we do this because….?
Because we’re civilized, bitblt. That’s what civilizations do if they wish to continue to exist.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pmCongratulations, President Obama.
TODAY I am once again proud to be an American.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pmwassa matta bltblunt, nothing to do since you lost your job?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pmYou know what else irks me? People show up for the inauguration to be reminded of responsibility and the environment by their president and leave trash on the national mall. Granted, it doesn’t appear to be too much trash for millions of people, but some need to take the rhetoric to heart. Hold onto your trash and find a receptacle. Pretty easy thing to do.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pmGo to http://convictbushcheney.org. to sign petition to arrest Bush/Cheney.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pmNo, just the opposite. I quit because mediocrity is now the new America way.
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Didn’t we just get rid of 8 years of a fellow who was proud to be a C student?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pmbitblt, you’re mixing up the unity of agreeing with the philosophy of America with normative culture. You don’t have to eat hot dogs and wear cowboy hats to be fully American and agree fully with American ideals.
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
No disrespect intended, ElBruce, and I don’t want to fight with fellow lefties, but why, then, would the Constitution require that “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:–”I do solemnly swear (or affirm)…” if the oath was not necessary?
The oath is important, but that part is technically superceded by Amendment 20:
January 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
bitblt Says:
And we do this because….?
We hate reich-wing crud. Take off you powerless tool.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pmI hate that official portrait of Obama. He has such a beautiful smile. Why didn’t they make one with his smile on his face?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm… *heavy sigh* …
… i am so glad to be able to say, i was wrong.
my worst fears did not come about…
my country has a new president, peacefully, and the
old crooks are out of town…
… can’t wait to find out all the crap that’s been hidden for too long…
maybe… it could be pretty scary… wouldn’t surprise me…
… great day, all!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pmAs we all predicted last year, the trolls will be cranially exploding when Obama is inaugurated.
God, but I love the smell of troll brains as they splatter all over the walls!
January 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pmGood thing you didn’t give this much thought. You might have blown a fuse. Don’t worry yourself about it. I realize you feel you can only unite with those who are similar to yourself. So, you do just that.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pmThe Chief Justice of the Supreme Court can’t remember the words to the Presidential Oath of Office?
And it is the President’s fault?
We really do need to look at this idea of lifetime appointment.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pmbitblt Says:
but because we are a diverse people who choose to unite.
And we do this because….?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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Because 220+ years of being divided hasn’t been too productive, has it?
January 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pmbitblt Says:
but because we are a diverse people who choose to unite.
And we do this because….?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
January 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pmIs this damn senate going to get around to confirm any of Obama’s nominees or will more “roadblocks” be laid? Thanks to John Cornyn not even Clinton’s all-but-assured nomination will approved as was planned today. Cornyn should be on that f ucking plane with shrub. A “full and open debate” about Clinton is neither needed nor desired, corn breath.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pmSomething has happened to Ted Kennedy at the luncheon…
January 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pmZooey Says:
Something has happened to Ted Kennedy at the luncheon…
January 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
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This is sad. I hope it’s nothing too serious.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pmAlong the lines of united we stand:
January 20th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
another thing… i caught a flub, but wasn’t sure who did it…
not familiar with the wording, i wondered if it was a case of nerves on pbama’s part… this news (to me) is intriguing…
Roberts said “execute the office of President of the United States faithfully,” rather than “faithfully executive.”
i see a TP typo (maybe?) but i can’t help but wonder if that WAS a “momentary slip” from roberts… sure hope it’s “trivial”…
hey, old habits die hard.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pmHello, Zoo. I hope you are in good spirits. Are there any news reports on Ted? I, too, hope it’s nothing too serious.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pmMcWars Says:
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We hate reich-wing crud. Take off you powerless tool.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Believe bit will stay, and you should appreciate the contrast.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pmPLC is keenly aware that bitblt’s belief is that the United States of America is united by Christianity. PLC also is aware that there are currently approximately 39,000 different Christian denominations, with various differing dogmas. Thus, PLC is inclined to wonder which of these denominations is the unifying one for the supposed “nation under God”, if bitblt by some miracle is correct. Or is PLC correct that the diverse peoples of this great country (by race, ethnicity, religion, creed, etc) are united by the desire to live, love, create happiness, and also worship freely.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmThe crowds, man! Fantastic!. O
ne thing that thrills me is not that Obama is a Democrat, but that he seems so competent and has been so competent in his campaign and in his tenure as president-elect.
Tehre are a couple of issues in which I’ve been rather dismayed by his declared positions ( gay marriage for instance, and I’m not entirely pleased with his foreign policy rhetoric thus far which is rather boilerplate) but damn, even if I (and others) are destined to be disappointed in those regards I have confidence he will do his damnedest in office to serve the nation as a whole and do so competently and sympathetically on so many other pressing issues.
I am a very, very happy camper right now, and expect to have much to be pleased with in the coming years (as i expect many others will too).
January 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmI remember hearing executive somewhere in Roberts flub.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pmKennedy and Byrd.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pmBreaking News on CNN: Sen. Edward Kennedy has collapsed at a luncheon honoring President Obama. Paramedics have responded to the scene.
Lets hope Senator Kennedy is ok.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pmCongratulations, everyone!! Our long national nightmare is over!
I’ve been tearing up about every 5 minutes. Seeing all those people, those happy people, the brown people and the white people and the young people and the old people, the veterans, the children — all so happy, with tears on their cheeks, waving flags, all proud to be part of this great moment…
I’ve been choked up for 3 days, proud of my country again, proud that the world is watching us, and proud that Obama so movingly reached out to that watching world. Asking people to open their fist – and we’ll take their hand – that touched me right where I live.
I’m proud to be an American again – THANK YOU, PRESIDENT OBAMA!!
January 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pmUmm… LTdan?
If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that the stumble was the fault of the conservative Chief Justice, not President Obama.
But you stay classy, LTdan. Stay classy.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pmThank you, ElBruce. I forgot about the wording in the Amendments.
I just hope this does not mean that the oath itself is meaningless, if he doesn’t technically have to recite it. At least he is still constitutionally obligated to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”
January 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmLTdan,
Welcome to the new USA. Things will be quite different (and much better) now that there is an intelligent adult in charge.
Oh,…… go read #158, it does apply to you.
Heh heh
January 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmi have yet to read any comments… just noticed this at the top:
Update Goodbye.
heard distinctly on msnbc, a huge crowd singing, “na na na na hey hey hey goodbye!”, as the helicopter flew over…
ha!
January 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pmhttp://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/01/kennedy-collaps.html
Kennedy Collapsed
January 20, 2009 2:46 PM
Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., who is battling a brain tumor, was taken away from the congressional luncheon in convulsions.
Kennedy was at a table with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., Vice President Mondale and Mrs. Mondale, and others. While at the table, Kennedy began having seizures that lasted for several minutes. As they were carrying Kennedy out of the room, he was still seizing. President Barack Obama went out of the room with him, but he is back in the luncheon room now.
We are also told that Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., the oldest member of the Senate, was so upset and distraught from what he had witnessed, that he needed to be taken out. Byrd was conscious when he was taken from the room. The two have been friends for a very, very long time.
Obama just spoke to the luncheon about Kennedy, appearing extremely sober:
“First of all, I know that while I was out of the room, concern was expressed about Teddy,” Obama said. “He was there when the Voting Rights Act passed. And, along with John Lewis, was a warrior for justice. And so I would be lying to you if I did not say that right now a part of me is with him. And I think that is true for all of us. This is a joyous time, but it’s also a sobering time. And my prayers are with him and his family and Vicki.”
An ambulance could be seen driving from the U.S. Capitol.
–George Stephanopoulos
January 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pmLTdan Says: “genious”
Yeah, and you are proving your superior intellect….idiot.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pmLtDan apparently can neither read nor write. Nor hear, nor think.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Thanks for explaining. I didn’t even notice the fool.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pmBy the way, LTdan… It’s spelled “genius”.
Not that we’d expect you to know that, but y’know, just for future reference.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pmMcWars Says:
Hello, Zoo. I hope you are in good spirits. Are there any news reports on Ted? I, too, hope it’s nothing too serious.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Hi, McWars. I haven’t felt this good in 8 years. :) How about you?
Update: Both Sens Kennedy and Byrd were taken by ambulance to the hospital. Byrd became ill during lunch, and Kennedy apparently had some sort of convulsions.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pmThe scumbag is……well, wherever you are right now.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:09 pmLTdan Says:
Notice he messed up when they were swearing him in, so much for the “genious” the lefty media makes him out to be.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
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Um, I don’t believe the lefty media has ever called Justice Roberts a “genious.”
January 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pmI was holding my breath during the swearing-in, waiting for W to jump up and declare Martial Law, and call the whole thing off…
That was my nightmare for the past few months- I am glad I am not psychic.
:-)
Hip Hip Hooray for the World!
January 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pmPoint taken, RHF. I just thought the committee hearing was exhausting enough. I’m glad we’re in good spirits, though.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pmGame of Life Says:
PatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Thanks for explaining. I didn’t even notice the fool.
Sometimes, it is better that way. A major reason I am here is to advocate for separation of church and state. bitblt is a major nemesis to that, so I tend to notice him perhaps too readily.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pmTP:
Roberts said “execute the office of President of the United States faithfully,” rather than “faithfully executive.”
I guess I’m the only one who feels a bit of irony, at TP criticizing Roberts for muffing the invocation, while using the wrong word.
The First Law of Internet Posting claims it’s first institutional victim.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pmNow the true unhappy minorities are the Republicans who no longer have a voice, leadership and need conspiracy theories to make them feel all warm and fuzzy.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian – bitblt is a major nemesis to that, so I tend to notice him perhaps too readily.
I never bother reading bitbite’s posts, they are simply ramblings of a fool.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pmAt 11:59am ….the Chief Justice gives the oath of office. The Oath was said at that time not in public view because the event was 5min behign. The Constitution states, The new prez must be sworn in at 11:59am by law regardless of the rest of the ceramonies timing.
Therefore, Mr.Obama was president before he took the oath in front of the world.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pmZooey Says:
Hi, McWars. I haven’t felt this good in 8 years. :) How about you?
Update: Both Sens Kennedy and Byrd were taken by ambulance to the hospital. Byrd became ill during lunch, and Kennedy apparently had some sort of convulsions.
My oh my. Kennedy and Byrd would want the relief at the inauguration to be greater than the sympathy for their flare-ups, so I hope they make full recoveries. I wish it were better for them. Thanks for the updates!
It’s surreal, Zoo. I think this is “battered wife syndrome” for the entire country and we’re challenged with coming to terms that there actually is a life after George W. Bush.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pmThere are trolls on this thread? I hadn’t noticed.
PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pmbarfly, I could swear I heard “executive” somewhere in Roberts’ flub.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pmrepugs don’t want unity. They don’t want the common people to unite. They want division on all fields, from religion to government policy.
We unite because we are the UNITED States of American.
Get use to reality repugs.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pmMcWars, Zooey, See fuller Kennedy update at #184.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pmThe original Lt.Dan exists in fiction, just as ‘our’ LtDan lives in a fictional world.
The original Lt. Dan blindly sacrificed himself to a war simply for authoritarian approval–his only reference for meaning in his life.
The original Lt.Dan lost both his legs, and similarly TP’s resident LtDan is bitter and doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pmMcWars,
I think we’re so used to being outraged and disappointed that we may fail to have the patience needed to fix the fustercluck Bush created. That must be our goal — to work together to make this country great once again.
The Cons and their minions the trolls will be very happy to see argue and bicker amongst ourselves, and they will declare that we — and Obama — have failed at the slightest bump in the road.
I say we not give them the satisfaction. :-)
January 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pmCZ-1 Says:
barfly, I could swear I heard “executive” somewhere in Roberts’ flub.
Nope. TP flubbed their own criticism of Roberts.
That’s just sad.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pmThanks, CZ-1, I hadn’t seen that.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:23 pmMARCHING BANDS!
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major prayers and well wishes for senator byrd and senator kennedy…
they’ve taken ill at the luncheon…
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January 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pmWhich is why I rarely criticize misspellings, or inapt usages: whenever I do, I invarably have a typo, or incorrect tense.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pm5th Estate – I always thought LTdan stood for “Lame Troll Dan”…
….I will stick with my version.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pmOK J. Davis…you, your name, and your attempts to pollute the thread are cute…but could you run along now?
January 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pmMcWars,
I think we’re so used to being outraged and disappointed that we may fail to have the patience needed to fix the fustercluck Bush created. That must be our goal — to work together to make this country great once again.
The Cons and their minions the trolls will be very happy to see argue and bicker amongst ourselves, and they will declare that we — and Obama — have failed at the slightest bump in the road.
I say we not give them the satisfaction. :-)
AMEN, Zoo. Great is your standard, but this is, well, great. Nothing ever gets done unless we propose solutions alongside our criticisms.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pmsectionop92 Says:
Now the true unhappy minorities are the Republicans who no longer have a voice, leadership and need conspiracy theories to make them feel all warm and fuzzy.
These racist aholes can’t stand an African-American is President of the US.
****spraying repugs-b-gone*****
January 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pmJ.Davis Says:
About all the Lincoln symbolisim,Dianne Feinstein,in the opening remarks made mention of American government being based on consent of the governed and that ballots trumped brutality and bullets.How does this relate to Lincoln? Well,350,000 graves in the South are ample proof that American Government rests on brute force! It’s nice talk,but when consent of the governed was tried,Lincoln sent the largest army ever assembled, to that time, to stomp it out. Barack Obama admires Lincoln,but the fact is that Abraham Lincoln was a liar,a murderer,and destroyed forever any hope of real union of the States.
I don’t care for lincoln either. But that doesn’t take away any feeling I have for President Obama.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pmnow, why the hell couldn’t we have rented the POPE MOBILE…?
kinda sad… not even clear windows…
January 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmI find it very difficult to believe that you have never shown up at a gathering at which you were not welcome.
Your ex-girlfriend’s wedding comes to mind.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmJ.Davis – No, you can continue showing us what an idiot you are, it’s sorta entertaining, your show of ignorance and all.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pmJ.Davis Says:
So..Am I and my views not welcome at this little online cocktail party? Or must all differing opinions be stomped out too?
You are welcome to your name and your views, Mr. Davis… good luck finding someone to share them.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pmWelcome to your irrelevance, but if you choose to join us in the real world you’ll need to first review those views.
All men may be but not all opinions are created equal…
Well, when you piss in the punch bowl you usually get uninvited to the party…..learn, I know it’s hard but try.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmJ.Davis, You have a point. Yes, I think Lincoln overstepped his authority by attacking the South. He believed the Union to be more important than the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I have long ranked ole Abe with the Shrub. He used military force to insure economic continuity.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pmRobert’s is a shrubie appointee what did you expect, someone that could actually do their job? I think not.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pmRobert’s should be ashamed of himself, for being so cocky that he felt that he did not have to practice something as simple as this.
Just one more embarrassment courtesy of shrubie.
J.Davis Says:
About all the Lincoln symbolisim,Dianne Feinstein,in the opening remarks made mention of American government being based on consent of the governed and that ballots trumped brutality and bullets.How does this relate to Lincoln? Well,350,000 graves in the South are ample proof that American Government rests on brute force! It’s nice talk,but when consent of the governed was tried,Lincoln sent the largest army ever assembled, to that time, to stomp it out. Barack Obama admires Lincoln,but the fact is that Abraham Lincoln was a liar,a murderer,and destroyed forever any hope of real union of the States.
Oh, someone that dreams of a universe where blacks are still slaves and an America which is split into two countries, the bigoted slave owner South and a North.
Take your confederate flag and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine, racist troll.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pm“Am I and my views not welcome at this little online cocktail party?”
It’s not that, it’s just that you’re the guy who just showed up uninvited and already too drunk to make a coherent point. No harm, no foul.
January 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pmFaiz, I think there’s a couple errors in your article. Firstly I believe Justice Roberts also screwed up by saying, “execute the office of President TO the United States faithfully,” Also, the second time you meant to write “execute”, you wrote “executive”.
I’m athiest but I’ll still say thank GOD Bush is gone!! Let the subpoenas fly!! That’s why Cheney didn’t take the helicopter. President Obama (damn I like saying that) probably told him he wasn’t allowed to leave the state, er, district, whatever. lol
January 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pmOkay- not to get distracted but Lincoln did not attack the south, the SOUTH attacked Ft. Sumter… remember?
And if Mr. Davis is suggesting that the South secede from the Union because of Mr. OBAMA’s Presidency then I reiterate my suggestion that he is not only ignorant and irrelevant but also irresponsible…
January 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pmWell, the natives of your state to which you refer (white citizens, presumably, as blacks universally hold Lincoln in high regard) have had their feelings taken into account for their share of our history.
Let’s give some other citizens a turn, huh?
January 20th, 2009 at 3:59 pm“but I would think a president would have a little more sensitivety toward certain groups of the people he wants to lead.”
I don’t think President Obama, or anyone really, has the time to be so worried about catering to the needs of those who are still pissed off about the outcome of the Civil War.
Do those people in your state reject any and all Federal funding? Just curious.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pmThat’s it??? All we had to do was say “You’re right J. Davis” to make him go away?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pmJ.Davis Says:
So..Am I and my views not welcome at this little online cocktail party? Or must all differing opinions be stomped out too?
Well, you posted, so TP let you state your opinion. We also have a right to our opinions, and mine is that you are just trolling for reaction. This response was just too fast for anything else and only one person responded before you posted this.
Move along little racist, your mommy probably wants you to take out the trash before she locks you back in the basement.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pmJanuary 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Did someone suggest that the red states might secede?
Oh that it might be true…
January 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pmWhat a class act the left is! Even if you disagree with Bush and his policies, show a little class. Respect the office!
On a day when our new leader proclaims an end to bipartisanship, many of his followers prove there will likely be no end to the bitterness and opposition.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pmOh my! Our old friend SM is back with his comedy stylings.
Dude, how can you read these comments and decide that the lack of class is the sole province of the Left?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
“Respect the office!”
I will if you will. Are you going to walk the walk?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Well, the natives of your state to which you refer (white citizens, presumably, as blacks universally hold Lincoln in high regard) have had their feelings taken into account for their share of our history.
Let’s give some other citizens a turn, huh?
The idea that blacks ‘universally’ hold Lincoln in high regard is less than accurate. Lincoln only ‘freed’ the slaves in the secessionist states. He also held that blacks could not be held equal with whites. His Emancipation Proclamation was political.
If Lincoln had been truly serious he would have followed Alexander II of Russia who emancipated the serfs two years before Lincoln and without war. Nor can we ignore that Lincoln’s original plan was to send the blacks back to Africa.
The Civil War was about economics. Just as is the past 8 years of Bush. If anyone had been serious about the emancipation of blacks why did it take 100 years for it to become a reality?
I am not a Southerner or a troll. I studied history.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pmJ.Davis Says:
If that were true, shouldn’t they have requested that the troops be removed?
Try and guess what would happen if Cuba attempted to reclaim Gitmo by force.
Go back and revel in your self-taught ignorance, Mr. Davis… we like our public school educations just fine.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pmdid you see bush’s face when Barak said the country was ready for a change of direction of the last 8 years? It was precious and must have been humiliating…
January 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pmPerhaps you ought to make an effort to overcome your home-school English composition education before making public pronouncements about the education of others.
Pay particular attention to spacing, punctuation, run-on sentences and the fact that “it’s” is a contraction of “it is”. “Its” is the possessive form of “it”.
I try not to correct people’s typos and grammatical errors, but when someone insults the schooling of other’s while making embarrassing mistakes, I figure they’re fair game.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pmthanks for the clarification, Hoodathunk. Correction noted.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pmJ.Davis Says:
seriously dude, you need to live in today.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
What a class act the left is! Even if you disagree with Bush and his policies, show a little class. Respect the office!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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Oh, we will. Finally, after eight long years, there’s someone worthy of respect sitting in that office.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pmHey Ralph, he may not be grammatically correct but the gist is solid.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pmFred Says:
J.Davis Says:
seriously dude, you need to live in today.
Just like we should ignore the past 4 years?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pmHey Ralph, he may not be grammatically correct but the gist is solid.
So Cuba would be within its rights to reclaim Gitmo?
Lincoln did the south a favor, the south would have been economically sunk if it had successfully seceded… see Ralph’s link.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm“I am not a Southerner[...] ”
Is that a problem?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pmBut,being from the South,I am used to intolerance and bigotry.
I’ll bet.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm246 – hear, hear, Toasty!!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pmThe gist is debatable at best, Hoodathunk.
Perhaps in the South, the sentiment is accepted as solid. But the rest of the nation views the secession of the southern states to be illegal, and the attack on Fort Sumter to be an act of war.
Remember, history is written by the victors. The South lost and, although you folks have made an admirable effort to maintain your separate history as you see it, it is, like your “peculiar institution” a regional curiosity rather than an accepted fact of history.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pmAre positing an equivalence between the era of the War between the States and the past four years?
Seriously?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pmWell the last 8 years is not the 1850’s which is where j davis wants us to link events of today…..just sayin.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pmbelac Says:
Lincoln did the south a favor, the south would have been economically sunk if it had successfully seceded…
We won’t ever really know that, will we?
An agrarian economy versus an industrial one. Factories are better than farming. Me, I’d rather eat food than shoes.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pmFred, 1860, 1260, the past ain’t important? We learn from it or repeat it.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pmJ.Davis Says:
Why do these things always have to degenerate into insultes and name calling? But,being from the South,I am used to intolerance and bigotry.In just a few minutes I have been called a drunk,a racist,an idiot and have been insulted in many ways just because I told the truth.This is the reason the States of this union do not belong together under 1 government,they never have and they certainly never will. It’s sad…..
First, you don’t tell “the truth”, you tell “your truth”.
Second, I’m quite sure that most of us would be pefectly happy to see your southern states secede from the union and try to make it on your own. I say “try” because the blue states have been supporting your red southern states for years and there’s very little chance you could survive without our help. But, please, feel free to try.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pmFactories are better than farming. Me, I’d rather eat food than shoes.
See MN, IL, DAKOTA’s, MT…etc, etc.
Can you eat cotton?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pmYeah Ralph, I am.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pmJ.Davis Says:
This is the reason the States of this union do not belong together under 1 government,they never have and they certainly never will. It’s sad…
January 20th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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Feel free to leave anytime, chuckles.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pmOr maybe you think they’d survive on Tobacco…
January 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
What a class act the left is! Even if you disagree with Bush and his policies, show a little class. Respect the office!
So, I guess that means that you will be showing Obama your respect.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pmJ.Davis Says:
Oh, by the way,Ft. Sumter was inside the State of South Carolina,when South Carolina withdrew from the union,Ft.Sumter was no longer a federal fort,but was occupied by a foreign force.South Carolina was fully in it’s right to reclaim it’s property.You folks need to make an effort to overcome your public school system history education.
Actually, just because it was physically located within the borders of South Carolina, it does not mean it belonged to that state. It was a federal institution, and belonged to the Union Army. (Well, the people of the United States, from which South Carolina seceded.)
But that war is over, or so I thought.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm“Why do these things always have to degenerate into insultes and name calling?”
They don’t, but usually will if some stranger comes in attacking other people’s presumed level of education… Is that how you converse in person?
The “drunk” was only in reference to you first calling this a “cocktail party”.
Were you the sibling who would pick their sister until she retaliated, then tell on her for hitting you? You’re ridiculous.
If you want to have a real debate then come here expecting one… not expecting and initially reacting as if your feelings are hurt when people disagree.
You start by attacking what is considered one of our country’s greatest leaders and expected everyone to just fall in line agree with you? Lincoln had his faults, to be sure, but, again, you are ridiculous.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pmSouthern Man 2 babbles:
Even if you disagree with Bush and his policies, show a little class. Respect the office!
You may want to remind Limbaugh of that -now that he has said he wishes Obama fails.
You may also want to remind your fellow rabid, hateful, bigoted reichwingers who are spewing their nonsense in the Limbaugh thread.
What a class act reichwingers are..
January 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pmI was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration Dais. Zero class from the left.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
What a class act the left is! Even if you disagree with Bush and his policies, show a little class. Respect the office!
Bush is no longer President.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pmLets see you respect the office that Obama holds now.
Well, where is your respect for the office now, we are waiting…..
I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration Dais. Zero class from the left.
They were commenting on the warrantless wiretapping, flagging economy, illegal war, illegal torture, polarizing of the Justice Dept., etc. etc.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pmZero Class from Mr. Bush…
Southern Man 2 Says:
I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration Dais. Zero class from the left.
Unlike the last regime.
That “Obama the magic negro” stuff was really classy.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pmPosit…a group of people who believe they have a right to determine their own destiny. Posit…they might have actually read the Declaration of Independence, a document written by their grandfathers. Posit…a group of people who were angry about another group who were telling them they were bad because they had a different idea of how to run their business. Posit…they bought people, like they bought livestock and, for the most part treated them as a capital investment. Posit…another group that employed people, including children, at a ridiculously low wage and didn’t care if they left because there was always another one to bring in to replace them.
Posit…a President who is willing to go to war to keep things to the benefit of the moneyed class.
Questions?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pmJ.Davis Says:
Why do these things always have to degenerate into insultes and name calling? But,being from the South,I am used to intolerance and bigotry.In just a few minutes I have been called a drunk,a racist,an idiot and have been insulted in many ways just because I told the truth.This is the reason the States of this union do not belong together under 1 government,they never have and they certainly never will.
Might have something to do with your traitorous name.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pm“I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration”
It’s a cultural meme and therefore exempt from restrictions of “class”. He’s lucky that’s all they were doing.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pmBummer. I thought you were capable of a reasonable discussion on this subject.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmJohn Roberts was so busy thinking that someone might be having gay sex somewhere, he couldn’t concentrate on the job at hand.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pmRalph, I am. Wanna play?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmWe ( Tennessee ) voted on leaving the union over the issue of slavery and chose to stay in.We only voted to leave when we were called upon by the Lincoln admin. to provide troops to force the gulf States back into the union.
now I see where the trairous nicknamme
January 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmPRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmOops. Break’s over. Sorry for the incomplete thought.
Back later.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmWow… is Hoodathunk seriously calling slavery just “another way of running business” and slaves “a capital investment”!?
What century are we living in, again?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants…
Should have been ‘Jail House Rock’ for the WAR CRIMINAL.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pmQuestions?
Just a few…
Posit…they bought people, like they bought livestock and, for the most part treated them as a capital investment.
and here’s were it always breaks down, doesn’t it? Citing poor working conditions in factories does not excuse slavery… it just doesn’t. Both need to be abolished.
Posit…a group of people who were angry about another group who were telling them they were bad because they had a different idea of how to run their business.
I often hear that the mob is angry at the federal government telling them how to run there business, too… should mob controlled neighborhoods be allowed to secede?
The South ignored most of it’s populations wishes… they called most of there population property… if the South wanted to be truly self-determining, shouldn’t those people get a vote?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pmRationalRadioJett,
I think Chief inJustice Roberts was swooning over the big, handsome, smart guy.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pmImagine:
Every day waking up to our new ELECTED President.
Instead of counting chimpy’s fu, I’m in awe to hear every word President Obama and his staff have to say.
.:goosebumps:.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm“what right did one group of States have to force another to accept their view.”
A Constitutional one… you know, the one they gave to the other states when they signed it. South Carolina just threw a hissy fit and tried to take it all back when things didn’t completely go their way.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmAll I am saying is the corporate/moneyed takeover of our country didn’t start with Hoover. Lincoln did it. He might have had good intentions but big bucks drove it.
Capitalism isn’t a new boogey man. Been around a while.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmOops #286
January 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmthere = their population…
Did the right take a vote and decide to send the most vile trolls out today? Oh well, even vile trolls can’t take the bloom off this rose.
I suggest we simply ignore it. It is vermin and sooner or later vermin get squished.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration Dais. Zero class from the left.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
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What? It’s not polite to say goodbye anymore? When did this happen?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWell, Hoodathunk, when you explain it that way…
unfortunately, that is not the only way to view history, and in fact is not the version accepted by conventional wisdom. While it certainly has merits, it also ignores equally compelling factors that change the focus and alter the overall interpretation.
But again, as I said, history is written by the victors. Had the South won the war, you guys would have been able to insist on your interpretation. After Appomattox, that option went bye-bye.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmBilbo,
Trolls? What trolls? ;)
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, GOODBYE!!!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWayne Says:
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Southern Man 2 Says:
What a class act the left is! Even if you disagree with Bush and his policies, show a little class. Respect the office!
Bush is no longer President.
Lets see you respect the office that Obama holds now.
Well, where is your respect for the office now, we are waiting…..
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I hope Obama does well. He is my President. He is our President. Just as Bush was. The difference between me and you is that I respect the office no matter who occupies it. I wanted Bush to suceed. He did one thing right that I hope Obama will continue; We were never attacked on American soil after 9/11.
Will I comment on his policies that I do not agree with? You bet. If he pulls the troops from Iraq set on a time table, will I agree with that decision? No. But I will respect his decision because he is the President and knows a lot more than I do in making that decision. I’m just a lone voice here in cyberspace sharing my opinions. It’s not like I get classified information everyday.
If someone were to throw a shoe at him, I would not celebrate it. I would still stand up for him no matter what I felt about his job in office. In doing so, I would be standing up for my Country. To do oterwise, would be classless!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm666lattes Says:
“what right did one group of States have to force another to accept their view.”
A Constitutional one… you know, the one they gave to the other states when they signed it. South Carolina just threw a hissy fit and tried to take it all back when things didn’t completely go their way.
I may be mistaken but state’s rights were not denied by the Constitution. And the founding fathers certainly had no intention of consolidating rights into the federal government. Can you spell king?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pmThe Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget
Nah.
Anyone who’s willing to suggest that dwelling on events of 150 years ago is equivalent to looking back at the past four or eight years is starting from a different baseline of acceptable arguments, so it would just end up in frustration.
I like to have a common landscape of reason, logic and accepted facts in order to start a debate.
As you might suspect, those conditions are met around here fairly infrequently, at least where theoretical disputes are concerned.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
If someone were to throw a shoe at him, I would not celebrate it. I would still stand up for him no matter what I felt about his job in office. In doing so, I would be standing up for my Country. To do oterwise, would be classless!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
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If Obama were to start an illegal, moronic war in an Arab country and kill 1.2 million people, I’d fully expect one of the victims to throw a shoe at him. And I would celebrate it. To do otherwise would be spineless.
However, I don’t expect our new President to do that sort of thing.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
whoa sm, this is a complete reversal of things you have said in the past…..want me to dig some of them up to prove it?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmHoodathunk Says:
All I am saying…
Yeah, we know what you are saying. Here, I can even paste it for you:
“Posit…they bought people, like they bought livestock and, for the most part treated them as a capital investment.”
Do you really believe the claptrap you type? Owning another human being is a repugnant and inhumane practice per se, and you cannot equate slave ownership to a “capital investment”, let alone to livestock.
Here, for your education:
January 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmSlavery in the United States – Treatment of slaves
Can you spell king?
Can you spell tyranny? it’s S L A V E R Y… I’ll say it again, if the south wanted to make the argument that it just wanted self-determination then all persons are entitled to their opinions… and the slave owners were vastly out-numbered by the slaves, how do you think that vote would have gone?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Well, Hoodathunk, when you explain it that way…
unfortunately, that is not the only way to view history, and in fact is not the version accepted by conventional wisdom. While it certainly has merits, it also ignores equally compelling factors that change the focus and alter the overall interpretation.
But again, as I said, history is written by the victors. Had the South won the war, you guys would have been able to insist on your interpretation. After Appomattox, that option went bye-bye.
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I see, since history has been written, god forbid anyone might want to challenge it. GW saved us from terrorism.
I expected better from you, Ralph.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pmJust back from the Inauguration celebration in my hometown.
All that needs to be said is:
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, 44th PRESIDENT, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Trolls be damned!
January 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration Dais. Zero class from the left.
I guess you missed the boos and jeers from your fellow reich-wingers when Obama’s name was mentioned during McGrampa’s concession speech. Hypocrite. Zero class from the reich.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
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Your going to have to do better than that. That happens at every campaign headquarters after a loss. From dog catcher up. And this wasn’t a football game Matt. Bush was the President of The United Staes for eight years. Show some respect wheter you like him or not. If you don’t want to clap, sit on your hands. Otherwise, show your respect to the Office. Classless! I don’t know why I expected anything less. That’s the left in this Country. Keith “Herr” Olberman is very proud of you today.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pmDang! just one more,only 4.5 % of the population of Tennessee owned slavesin 1860. 95.5% did not. So much for that argument.
So you agree that the slaves should have been entitled to an opinion on secession?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pmOr even 3/5ths of an opinion?
Great!
Again I ask… how do you think that vote would have gone?
So much for that argument…
Hoodathunk,
“I may be mistaken but state’s rights were not denied by the Constitution.”
Not completely, but it did address how an election of a President would be decided.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmHoodathunk Says:
Who cares? Barak is President……bush is gone…..
January 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pmHoodathunk Says:
history is being made today
January 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pmIf Chimpy had been doing his job, SM2, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ATTACKED ON 9/11 AT ALL.
Put that in your stupid pipe and smoke it, you moron.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pmDang! just one more,only 4.5 % of the population of Tennessee owned slavesin 1860. 95.5% did not. So much for that argument.
BTW- Approx. 1/4 of TN population in 1860 were slaves… and as you so helpfully point out only 4.5% were slave owners… who went to war to protect the upper classes interests again?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pmAhd MS? I got NO respect for stupid evil war criminals. (BUSH)
January 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pmFred Says:
Hoodathunk Says:
Who cares? Barak is President……bush is gone…..
Hmmm, let’s all practice spelling the President’s name. It’s Barack. Not that it’s such a huge deal, but then there’s that fellow in Israel who actually spells his last name Barak. It might get confusing.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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Southern Man 2 Says:
He did one thing right that I hope Obama will continue; We were never attacked on American soil after 9/11.
Yeah, brilliant “logic”….give him a mulligan after dropping the ball the first time. Hey, no biggie! herr dubyah didn’t do anything to prevent 9/11….but, yeah, it was ONLY 1 attack!! Do-over!
You = fail.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
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And when Clinton was in Office, the terrorist began their plans. About three years before Bush was elected. Wasn’t it Clinton who did not want the CIA, FBI and the NSA sharing inteligence? Wasn’t that an executive order from Clinton? I blame the terrorist, Bush, and Clinton. With most of the blame going to the terrorist. It wasn’t Bush or Clinton who killed three thousand of our fellow citizens.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
He did one thing right that I hope Obama will continue; We were never attacked on American soil after 9/11.
Leaving aside the fact that more Americans have died overseas since then fighting Bush’s war than were lost on 9/11 . . . you conveniently forget about the anthrax attacks.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pmI have a great deal of respect for the posters here. Ralph, Dr. Matt, ElBruce, Zooey and many others. I respect your ability to spot trolls. I’m not fond of those who spout either. Maybe JD and his fellow Southern crowd are trolls who parrot reichwing crap. Ok, maybe not maybe.
Please don’t give up your intellect. There are discussions to be had.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pmWasn’t it Clinton who told Bush to make counter-terrorism a top priority of his incoming administration?
And wasn’t it Clinton who told Bush to rely on the advise of Richard Clarke, a Reagan appointee, on counter-terrorism matters.
And wasn’t it Bush who refused to have a meeting with Mr. Clarke for months claiming he wasn’t interested in swatting flies?
And wasn’t it Bush who asked Mr. Clarke to research the (non-existent) connection between 9/11 and Iraq on 9/12/01?
Wow- thanks for reminding us SouthernMan!
January 20th, 2009 at 5:14 pmFred Says:
Hoodathunk Says:
Who cares? Barak is President……bush is gone…..
WTF?
Fred, best check your source.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmSouthern Man 2,
January 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Please, stop reciting right-wing false talking points. That whole crap about not being able to share intelligence is just plain false. The right has bene using that as their excuse for ignoring all the warning signs that we were about to be attacked. Thank you.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmBut — but — Clinton kept America safe for over seven years! After the first WTC attack, there was not another one the rest of his presidency.
So, going by the standards you guys want to apply to Bush, you have to blame Poppy Bush for the first WTC attack, and you have to give Clinton credit for keeping America safe for almost eight years.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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Your going to have to do better than that.
Thanks for proving you are a hypocrite and CLASSLESS!! Southerwoman, such the reich-wing apologist. President Obama was the Democratic Nominee, not a dog catcher. This is not a football game. Show some respect whether you like him or not. If you don’t want to clap, sit on your hands. Otherwise, show your respect! Classless! I don’t know why I expected anything less. That’s the reich-wimg in this Country. Bill “Herr” O’Racist is very proud of you today.
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Did you just respond to my post by using my argument and then filling in the blanks with your dribble?
Ha Ha Ha. That is weak!!! Wait, let me read your post again. “Ugh uhh, football, Obama, let’s see… O’Racist.” You did.
You need to work on your transisition skills my friend. You go from attack to defend. Those talking points don’t come out until tomorrow I guess.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pmYeah, I’m sure no one knew who I was talking about. Ankle biter much?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pmI have never referred to the new President as Barack.
If you want to put me in the troll category, be accurate, plz.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pmand Ralph, could you please respond?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pmHoodathunk Says:
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Well, the natives of your state to which you refer (white citizens, presumably, as blacks universally hold Lincoln in high regard) have had their feelings taken into account for their share of our history.
Let’s give some other citizens a turn, huh?
The idea that blacks ‘universally’ hold Lincoln in high regard is less than accurate. Lincoln only ‘freed’ the slaves in the secessionist states. He also held that blacks could not be held equal with whites. His Emancipation Proclamation was political.
If Lincoln had been truly serious he would have followed Alexander II of Russia who emancipated the serfs two years before Lincoln and without war. Nor can we ignore that Lincoln’s original plan was to send the blacks back to Africa.
The Civil War was about economics. Just as is the past 8 years of Bush. If anyone had been serious about the emancipation of blacks why did it take 100 years for it to become a reality?
I am not a Southerner or a troll. I studied history.
Exactly! The reasons you listed and a lot more reasons are why I don’t like lincoln.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pmDang! re #323
January 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pmadvise = advice…
No, Bush outdid al Qaeda. He killed over 4500 of our fellow citizens.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pmWell, Hoodathunk, I’ll always try to live up to high expectations of my contributions here, and I appreciate yours.
What I was saying was not that history can never be revisited, only that you hold a minority view of the events and factors driving them in that period of history, and it appears to be a view in large part determined by the area in which you grew up, where that view is prevalent.
To expect others to embrace that view, when it seems parochial and limited to many, is a bit much to ask.
As I said, the elements you list in the struggle are absolutely crucial to the path of history. But you ignore or downplay many others, including the force of the anti-slavery movement in the north (especially among the liberal northeastern elite).
January 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmJust as I’ve suspected since the creep wrote that ridiculously out of touch opinion and moved to place Black folks under the yoke of oppression once again here in America, Chief Justice John Roberts is a punk and a racist, and like all Bush appointees, a hack loser and a rank incompetent.
Roberts quite obviously intentionally screwed up the swearing-in ceremony, a sore loser as well it seems. Doubtless he pulled this one for his Confederate battle flag waving buddies down South, where I’m sure they’ll be having a big laugh over the incident while drinking stolen Scotch and smoking contraband Cuban cigars.
Sorry John, there will be no repeal of the 13th amendment and reinstatement of slavery anytime soon, so the terrible oppression that the Catholics have had to endure for so long will continue unabated. Try to look at the bright side, now you can blame it all on the Negroes and their president. Doubtless you’ll find plenty of sniveling conservative allies to validate your viewpoints and commiserate over your deep-seated feelings of racial inferiority
Like everyone that the Republicans placed on the Supreme Court in recent decades, Roberts has no business sitting on that bench. He is a disgrace to the nation and everyone who calls themselves conservative in America..
PS F you your Dis-Honor.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmI hope Obama does well. He is my President. He is our President. Just as Bush was. The difference between me and you is that I respect the office no matter who occupies it. I wanted Bush to suceed. He did one thing right that I hope Obama will continue; We were never attacked on American soil after 9/11.
SouthernManTwo, you aren’t the only one to have wanted Bush to succeed. Unfortunately, he went on vacation and when he came back part of New York was gone. It was apparent to many that soon afterward, Bush started down the path of failure and we were to learn that the failure started by dismissing any intelligence that was passed on by the Clinton Administration. You, and others that were hoping for McSame and Bush’s female impersonator, still want to give Bush a free pass on his biggest failure that led to more failures.
The Office of the President of the United States was disrespected by Bush but will be reinstated with President Obama.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmAt the risk of my fellow liberals, I will defend Bush/Cheney.
Many here say they are not fit to sleep with pigs.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmI say they are.
oh wait, it was Fred who posted this response. Not me.
Yes, Obama is President. Sort of opens up the idea of discussion versus propaganda. I know, things that happened 150 years ago are difficult. Accepting we used to have a President who thought last week was forgettable was too.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmHoodathunk Says:
Maybe JD and his fellow Southern crowd are trolls who parrot reichwing crap. Ok, maybe not maybe.
Both are old trolls, J Davis is a new name for that one, probably because the old one got banned.
Southern Man 2 used to be just Southern Man before it got banned for idiotic racist comments.
Its just a matter of time before these 2 get banned again.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmUncle Ho Says:
At the risk of my fellow liberals, I will defend Bush/Cheney.
Many here say they are not fit to sleep with pigs.
I say they are.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Poor pigs… ;)
January 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pmgummitch Says:
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He did one thing right that I hope Obama will continue; We were never attacked on American soil after 9/11.
Leaving aside the fact that more Americans have died overseas since then fighting Bush’s war than were lost on 9/11 . . . you conveniently forget about the anthrax attacks.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
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My point was we were never attacked again on American soil. I hope Obama continues to do the same. It can’t be argued. It’s a fact. There were a few attempts that were thwarted. Can’t leave that fact aside either.
And since were talking blame, if we are attacked in the next year, will Obame bear any of the blame? Or will we hear how it’s all Bush’s fault? Contrary to popular opinion in here, everthing is not Bush’s fault and the next President will have to take the resonsibility for it. Using at least your srgument Gummitch.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmFred Says:
Yeah, I’m sure no one knew who I was talking about. Ankle biter much?
Hypersensitive much?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:31 pmKeith “Herr” Olberman is very proud of you today.
It’s okay for Falafel Bill to fan the flames of hatred, if you’re a Republican.
It’s okay to be a partisan, angry, obstructionist, if your a Republican.
The Democrats, on the other hand, have always reached across the isle, even when in the majority.
Republicans are anti-American scum of the Earth.
They loath their fellow man, their planet, and their country.
It’s all about “me-me-me-” and getting “rich quick” at everyone else’s expense.
FCUK EM ALL.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
gummitch Says:
Leaving aside the fact that more Americans have died overseas since then fighting Bush’s war than were lost on 9/11 . . . you conveniently forget about the anthrax attacks.
My point was we were never attacked again on American soil. I hope Obama continues to do the same. It can’t be argued. It’s a fact. There were a few attempts that were thwarted. Can’t leave that fact aside either.
A n t h r a x. On US soil. After 9/11.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pmHoodathunk Says:
oh wait, it was Fred who posted this response. Not me.
Yes, Obama is President. Sort of opens up the idea of discussion versus propaganda. I know, things that happened 150 years ago are difficult. Accepting we used to have a President who thought last week was forgettable was too.
Hi Hoodathunk, I wasn’t following your Lincoln point and all the follow ups closely but I did have the same thought as you state above “things that happened 150 years ago are difficult”. This is sooooo true. All history is subject to the writers interpretation – then and now. Which, as an aside, makes me livid that so many hold ancient texts as so dear and true.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmUncle Ho Says:
At the risk of my fellow liberals, I will defend Bush/Cheney.
Many here say they are not fit to sleep with pigs.
I say they are.
The pigs would be demanding chastity belts…..
January 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmThe anthrax attacks happened on American soil, Southern Man 2.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmObama totally kicked Bush’ ass in this speech. He did it gently and smoothly as always, but really, to say that “it’s time to REMAKE America”? I could swear Bush prayed to disappear in that moment.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pmeverthing is not Bush’s fault and the next President will have to take the resonsibility for it. Using at least your srgument Gummitch.
Hey a$$hat, we ARE using that argument.
It’s retardo-fcuk Fox News morons who still look at stupid little Shrub with a gleam in your eye and a 2 inch stiffie.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pmHere are some thumbtack observations on President Martin Luther King, ex-VP Henry Potter, Chief Justice Yoda and more.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmgummitch Says:
A n t h r a x. On US soil. After 9/11.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Tough case, gummitch. :-D
January 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmA n t h r a x. On US soil. After 9/11.
Both incident’s blame lies with the US Government.
Nothing more.
But boy, can Dumbya clear some shrubs.
Or catch a big fish in his pond (his proudest moment of his tenure, according to the idiot-boy-king himself.)
January 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmgummitch Says:
A n t h r a x. On US soil. After 9/11.
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Wayne A. Schneider Says:
The anthrax attacks happened on American soil, Southern Man 2.
But, the ones that attacked were liberals and the ones that died worked for a “liberal” paper.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmSouthern Man part duex obviously doesn’t consider liberals Americans.
Gotta get some work done now. I’ll leave the trolls in the capable hands of Wayne, gum, Zoo, the Schneiders, DFNP, Dr. Matt and the rest of y’all.
Happy hunting!
January 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmFred Says:
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whoa sm, this is a complete reversal of things you have said in the past…..want me to dig some of them up to prove it?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
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No it’s not. I have always, and will always hold the Office Of The President with respect. As much as I didn’t like Clinton, he was still my President. I would have never been glad to see someone throw a shoe at him. He’s my President.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmHoly jumping tacos on a trampoline, people are arguing about the Civil War? I’d be way more concerned about that damnable Peloponnesian fracas they had a while back. Cursed Greeks! Suffice it to say that the South’s application to secede from the Union was respectfully declined.
And it doesn’t matter what it was “about,” what matters is what it did. People knew what the consequences would be, and each proceeded accordingly according to their aims. Which means that regardless of whether Lincoln’s primary goal was economic rather than emancipation, he knew damn well it would lead to emancipation and that wasn’t a problem for him.
Frankly, to argue that the North shouldn’t have enforced the “United” part of the U.S.A, means that this country wouldn’t exist today. Which means that anyone who argues such doesn’t want this country to exist today. Which means Q.E.D. they’re unAmerican, aka. citizens of Fake America.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pmdo you really believe a non slave owning farmer from the hill country of Putnam County, Tennessee would leave his family alone on their farm while the area was being invaded to go defend a cotton planter from Shelby County, Tennessee?
Most likely, but you’re beliefs are not relevant. You nor I, nor anyone here will or could ever know exactly what people were feeling or thinking that long ago.
Only a moronic, egotist would.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pmI would have never been glad to see someone throw a shoe at him.
But a slightly used cigar holder is fair game.
Or a dress with a stain on it.
We know, you’re a died-in-the-wool, can never see wrong, Neocon apologist.
We got that part.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmElBruce Says:
Frankly, to argue that the North shouldn’t have enforced the “United” part of the U.S.A, means that this country wouldn’t exist today. Which means that anyone who argues such doesn’t want this country to exist today. Which means Q.E.D. they’re unAmerican, aka. citizens of Fake America.
Well said.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmI think that your argument is silly and weak, Mr. Davis… that’s all.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmI don’t think you get to claim that the South was only fighting to protect their individual liberties while they were ignoring the individual liberties of so many of their citizens.
I don’t think that the Slave owners in Shelby County had that farmer in Putnam County’s best interests at heart, let alone their slaves.
I don’t think think any of this is relevant to the discusion at hand but I also don’t think that you are being honest with yourself if you think that ‘State’s Rights’ were the only issue at hand in the Civil War.
I honestly believe that.
I will do as the libs did in 2004.
NOT.MY.PRESIDENT.
Except, dipshit, Obama actually won the election, by a fair margin.
Idiot.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Do you really think most soldiers were given a CHOICE? ROTFL! You RUBES sure are an IGNORANT BUNCH OF RACIST CRACKERS!
I have to say, I don’t remember ever reading that the CSA had military conscription. The USA, yes, and a fair amount of corruption along with it. But I think it’s true that the majority, if not all, of the Southern troops were volunteers.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pmA n t h r a x. On US soil. After 9/11.
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A handfull of cases. And they were soon after 9/11. When was the last anthrax case?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
I was commenting on the “Nah Nah Nah Nah” chants at the Inaguration Dais. Zero class from the left.
Lying to US citizens is a class act.
Stealing money is a class act.
you get it pea brain?
January 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pmSouthern Man 2 Says:
A n t h r a x. On US soil. After 9/11.
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A handfull of cases. And they were soon after 9/11. When was the last anthrax case?
You said “none”. Trust me, a handful is greater than none.
We also haven’t had a rain of frogs since 9/11. None. Not even a handful.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pmI won’t leave the country, I think I’ll just wait until he gets immpeached. This probably won’t take very long.
Try holding your breath… we’ll turn you blue yet!
January 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pmHoly Cow. Not sure where the civil war stuff is coming from but there sure are some interesting comments flying around.
Apparently northern states grew no food. (Someone clearly hasn’t been to Vermont, PA, upstate NY, etc.).
Lincoln could simply dissolve slavery ala the Tsar in Russia.
The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. (Despite years of bickering over each new state and whether or not it should be a “slave” or “free” state.)
Anthrax attacks did not happen on US soil.
This truly is an interesting thread.
January 20th, 2009 at 5:58 pmWow. I disagree with ElBruce. And I am stunned over what he said.
Frankly, to argue that the North shouldn’t have enforced the “United” part of the U.S.A, means that this country wouldn’t exist today. Which means that anyone who argues such doesn’t want this country to exist today. Which means Q.E.D. they’re unAmerican, aka. citizens of Fake America.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm*************************
A group of people who took exception to the idea that the federal government could dictate to the states? Lets try to imagine things were different in 1855. Let us forget that in ‘our lifetime’ folks decided it was a bad idea that for government to tell us what we could do. States rights? Shut up.
Since Ralph has chosen to bail, who will pick up the grail here?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pmAs others have so capably pointed out, the Civl War ended almost 144 years ago, the Union forces won, get over it. As to the innane concept of ‘keeping us safe’, what about Katrina, when Many voices were Loudly raised in warning? And how about appointing an executive from the Arabian Horse Association as head of FEMA, boy That’s what could be called Amazing Judgement! And the Financial Crisis when people were Screaming about how Disaster was coming, and the Administration Did Nothing?!?!?? Back to the ‘kept us safe’ theme, we weren’t stuck by a Meteorite, nor attacked by evil Zorgons from the Planet Rock, nor did the Undead rise to eat our brains, so I guess he did a Heck of a job!
January 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pmSeriously, Congratulations to President Barack Hussein Obama. Proof that you Cannot fool All of the People, All of the Time!
Come on. ElBruce, DrMatt, someone is up to the challenge.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:03 pmLTdan Says:
I will do as the libs did in 2004.
NOT.MY.PRESIDENT.
What has Obama done that’s as bad as what Bush has done? Here’s a hint: he hasn’t done anything at all, yet. If you’re going to “do as the libs do” then that would include backing up your positions with sound reasoning.
Or you could always secede, since we’re talking about it.
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Dynamo Says:
COLD WELCOME FOR PRESIDENT
Financial stocks, many of them falling by double digit percentages, led a huge drop on Wall Street Tuesday that left the major indexes down more than 4 percent and the Dow Jones industrials down 332 points
This has been happening three times a week since September. That’s like complaining that Obama was inaugurated on a day ending with a “y.”
The market also crashed in 2001 the day after the SCOTUS gave Bush the win.
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Southern Man 2 Says:
A handfull of cases. And they were soon after 9/11. When was the last anthrax case?
So just a few so it doesn’t count. And they stopped shortly after, due to the heroic efforts of – wait, the FBI didn’t know who did it until years later. Well, it doesn’t count anyways because it wasn’t a brown guy with a funny name who did it.
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LTdan Says:
I won’t leave the country, I think I’ll just wait until he gets immpeached. This probably won’t take very long.
For what?!?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:04 pmThe problem is that you completely discount the role slavery played in the Civil War, Hoodathunk.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:05 pmNow, Lincoln may have been more concerned with preserving the Union than Slave’s Rights at the outset of the Civil War Hoodathunk, but those two things became inexorably linked when the SOUTH attacked Ft. Sumter and forced the issue…
Oh, and Obama will be a great President with or without the Lincoln comparisons…
Abu Ben Hussein Leporello Says:
As others have so capably pointed out, the Civl War ended almost 144 years ago, the Union forces won, get over it.
And the Bushco regin=me ended a few hours ago. Forget it, get over it.
A society that does not learn from history (ancient or not) is doomed to repeat it.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pmI am disappointed. I have come to respect a great many posters here. The gauntlet is cast. I am not a troll, meet me. Quit playing with idiots.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pmHoodathunk Says:
A group of people who took exception to the idea that the federal government could dictate to the states?
That’s what the word “federal” means.
It also explains Amendment 10:
If the federal government can’t “dictate” to the states, then that amendment is meaningless.
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LTdan Says:
OBAMA = 1 term president at best
Palin / Wurzelbacher 2012, baby. I’m already salivating at the thought of voting in that primary.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pmTo sum up Glenn Beck’s Faux program from today….
Mostly rabble, rabble, rabble.
“Why can’t we have Ronald Reagan possess Barack Obama’s body?!”
Jonah Goldberg still confuses modern liberalism with Nazi fascism and totalitarianism.
Then Glenn nearly loses it as he bids Dumbya a farewell with the personal picture of the two onscreen.
But if Glenn is going to be a big time TV host, he has to stop dressing like a office stooge from the 1980’s. I understand he instantly sends a percentage of his paychecks to the Mormon church, but that’s no excuse to have Rush look better in a polo shirt off a glitchy webcam!
January 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pmElBruce, don’t play simple. Rights not delegated are reserved to the states. Pain English.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pmHoodathunk Says:
A society that does not learn from history (ancient or not) is doomed to repeat it.
We did learn that slavery was a poor way to treat other people as well as economical unsustainable.
I see that you’re looking for a quarrel, but I have no idea what it is you’re claiming, other than some argument that secession was a perfectly appropriate response.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmLTdan Says:
“I will do as the libs did in 2004.
NOT.MY.PRESIDENT.”
Actually it was 2001, but I had reasons like the SCOTUS decision. What are yours or are you simply following what others do with no original thought put into it?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmHoodathunk Says:
I am disappointed. I have come to respect a great many posters here. The gauntlet is cast. I am not a troll, meet me. Quit playing with idiots.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Hello, Hoodthunk. Nice to meet you. :-)
It’s a crazy day, and I’m sure things will settle down in the next day or so.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmwell I don’t know about any grail. Will a chalise do?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pmHoodathunk Says:
ElBruce, don’t play simple. Rights not delegated are reserved to the states. Pain English.
Right. And under the Constitution, the Federal goverment can delegate itself power by passing laws, removing those from the states
Just so I have this clear, you are arguing that the U.S. is or should be a confederate system, aren’t you? because we already tried that. I’m not positive that I understand your thesis here. Could you restate?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmdbadass Says:
well I don’t know about any grail. Will a chalise do?
Is it the chalice with the palace? Or the vessel with the pestle?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pmHoodathunk Says:
ElBruce, don’t play simple. Rights not delegated are reserved to the states. Pain English.
Don’t you recognize the Tenth Amendment when you see it quoted?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pmElBruce Says:
It also explains Amendment 10:
Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
I am confused. This amendment seems to state that the States or the people have the rights to anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution. Again, the founding fathers wanted to keep authority out of the greedy paws of the big boys.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pmHoodathunk Says:
“Rights not delegated are reserved to the states.”
And yet the Constitution also creates a Legislative Branch of the Federal Government. The universe was created within a paradox.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:22 pmEl, I am saying don’t let the victor’s version of history be carved in stone.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pmIs it the chalice with the palace? Or the vessel with the pestle?
The pellet with the poison’s in the chalice from the palace; the vessel with the pestle holds the brew that is true.
Get it?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:24 pm(Got it.)
Good.
You people that live in other parts of the country can never understand.
Talk to the Lakota in the Midwest or the Navajo in the Southwest or the Mohawk in the Northeast… you people that can never understand can never understand.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:25 pmHotcha, Wayne!
January 20th, 2009 at 6:25 pmAbu Ben; Although Lee surrendered at Appamatox, that did not mean the civil war is over. Those southern redneck racists are STILL fighting the civil war.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:26 pmNo, not with live ammo, but with their defiant attitudes, racist behavior, and KKK membership. And with the passage of the civil rights act of 1964, LBJ correctly predicted the defection of the keepers of the flame of Jim Crow to the GOP.
J.Davis Says:
I know that flag was put there originally by force by the u.s. military ,not by the freewill of the people of Tennessee. You people that live in other parts of the country can never understand.
Are you suggesting that you and your fellow Tenneseans no longer wish to be part of the United States?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:26 pmOr for that matter talk to the descendants of the 275,719 people who were enslaved in TN in 1860… you people that can’t see past your own noses will never understand.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:27 pmbelac Says:
Or for that matter talk to the descendants of the 275,719 people who were enslaved in TN in 1860… you people that can’t see past your own noses will never understand.
It was just bidness, belac.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:28 pmWhy is a desire for justice, a request for a hearing seen as evil? A request for a voice to be heard is not evil, it is a request. Whether it is Tennessee or Cherokee or Palestine, it is a call for justice. At the least, a hearing.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pmHoodathunk Says:
I am confused. This amendment seems to state that the States or the people have the rights to anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
Ah, but the Constitution enumerates the right of Congress to pass laws. So the legitimacy of those laws is derived from the Constitution, and therefore supercedes those of states. But it doesn’t matter what you or I think of it anyway, the fact is that the SCOTUS has a reaaaallly long history of viewing it this way. And the SCOTUS’ rulings are final… as accounted for in the Constitution.
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Hoodathunk Says:
El, I am saying don’t let the victor’s version of history be carved in stone.
All I’m saying that the U.S. as we know it today is a product of the outcome of the Civil War. If one wishes the Civil War had gone differently, then as a consequence they’re wishing that the U.S. as we know it today didn’t exist. That’s just plain unpatriotic.
Imagine if someone were saying that they wish the Revolutionary War had not been started or had a different outcome. It’s unpatriotic.
And I’m just playing around with the wingnut rhetoric of calling people deemed insufficiently patriotic as “unamerican” or “living in fake America.”
January 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pmWhy is a desire for justice, a request for a hearing seen as evil?
It’s not- that’s why ending slavery was a good thing to do, no matter the motives of the President who did it…
January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pmAs I have said before, I respect many of the voices here.
It is time to heal.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pmHoodathunk Says:
Why is a desire for justice, a request for a hearing seen as evil? A request for a voice to be heard is not evil, it is a request. Whether it is Tennessee or Cherokee or Palestine, it is a call for justice. At the least, a hearing.
The aggregate decision was that justice for people who were enslaved was more important than justice for people who didn’t like being told what to do.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pmElBruce Says:
All I’m saying that the U.S. as we know it today is a product of the outcome of the Civil War. If one wishes the Civil War had gone differently, then as a consequence they’re wishing that the U.S. as we know it today didn’t exist. That’s just plain unpatriotic.
Imagine if someone were saying that they wish the Revolutionary War had not been started or had a different outcome. It’s unpatriotic.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:37 pm*********
Bruce, you are better than this. I have heard it in your posts. We, as a country, are better. Listen to your heart, brother, we can be better.
Hoodathunk Says:
It is time to heal like it’s 1865!
January 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pmMr. Davis, you have yet to address the issue of the opinions of those 275,719 enslaved residents of TN in 1860. Should we ignore their voices?
I thought you were a fan of self-determination…
January 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pmJ.Davis Says:
I know that flag was put there originally by force by the u.s. military ,not by the freewill of the people of Tennessee.
Man, since this got quoted a couple times, I gotta take a kick at it.
The flag was originally put there by the Constitution of the State of Tennessee in 1796. In short, Tennessee was made a state by the U.S.
I sweartagawd, am I the only person around here with Wikipedia?
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J.Davis Says:
You people that live in other parts of the country can never understand.
Your retarded argument isn’t strengthened any by the fact that all your neighbors are retarded too.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pmGET A CLUE! It isn’t about the war or the South or wet clams.
It is about America!
January 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pmJ.Davis Says:
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
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J.Davis Says:
I know that flag was put there originally by force by the u.s. military ,not by the freewill of the people of Tennessee. You people that live in other parts of the country can never understand.
“Are you suggesting that you and your fellow Tenneseans no longer wish to be part of the United States?”
That option was taken off the table long ago. As for myself,just scroll back up and look at the hate that has been put on here by those who don’t agree with me,would you want to be in such a union?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Please don’t change the subject. I didn’t ask you if it was an option, I simply asked if you and your fellow Tennesseans wish to secede from the Union?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pmHoodathunk Says:
Bruce, you are better than this. I have heard it in your posts. We, as a country, are better. Listen to your heart, brother, we can be better.
I get it. But you may have not caught all of my posts; quite often I’m a completely horrific b!tch to the wingnuts, and I like to backhand them and make them cry for their mommas. I usually back those up logically first, though.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:43 pmHoodathunk Says:
GET A CLUE! It isn’t about the war or the South or wet clams.
It is about America!
Maybe the problem is that you haven’t been very clear about what “it” is.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:43 pmJ.Davis… any thoughts on the freewill of those people of Tennessee who happened to be enslaved? I’m interested…
January 20th, 2009 at 6:52 pmBruce, I am a total fan of your posts. I respect you. I was thrilled when someone equated my posts with yours. Didn’t agree but was tickled.
You, and few others, were able to think. Trolls are fun and I have enjoyed your recognition but there is more. Our President calls us on.
January 20th, 2009 at 6:52 pmDid someone say clams?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:54 pmbelac my selfrightous federal friend,before you start with the slave thing,I think you and the union army have a little Native American genocide to clean up that started right after the war on the South was finished.
I think I mentioned that in #416… remember, that was right after you said that nobody knew how it felt to be forced into the Union?
So- do we give Tennessee back to the Native Americans then?
And when will you address the elephant in the room? What about the 275,719 Tennesseans who were slaves?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:57 pmgummitch Says:
Hoodathunk Says:
GET A CLUE! It isn’t about the war or the South or wet clams.
It is about America!
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Lemme see, IT is about people. Start with Americans (since we are here) and expand to anyone who happens to exist on the planet.
Am I close, gummitch?
January 20th, 2009 at 6:57 pmJ Davis. See, the way this country works, and did prior to the civil war, is that the majority of Tennessee citizens could VOTE for new representatives if they disagreed with the agenda of their current legislators. So to suggest that the innocent citizens of Tennessee had no voice is ridiculous.
Why is it that when this stuff gets discussed, it is rarely explicitly stated that the precious right that the southern states chose to take a stand on was that of slavery. Hoodathunk, this makes it impossible to discuss this issue of federal/states rights in the context of the CIvil War in the absence of discussing the South, slavery (or even wet clams.)
January 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pmCome on, folks! I am not a known troll. I am challenging you, what is out out there sucks. Bush is a serious troll, Cheney, don’t get me started, Obama is the best thing to hit the US since peanut butter cups. So what are you going to do?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:03 pmclams?!?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:03 pmJ.Davis Says:
Oh belac,such concern for people of color. Roughly 37000 Tennesseans owns slaves in 1860. My question is,what of the 797,000 who did not? Are they nonpersons who could be trampled at will for exercising their human right so self government?
Oh J. Davis, how can I feel for the poor downtrodden people of TN when you so blithely dismiss the 275,719 people who actually were considered ‘non-persons’
January 20th, 2009 at 7:04 pmYou don’t get to have a Republic of Tennessee… they were considered property… I wonder why I don’t feel for you…
Hopefully Roberts is better at leading the court than administering oaths.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pmthe truth is, it is easy to pick on idiots.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pmCome on, folks! I am not a known troll. I am challenging you, what is out out there sucks
How are you challenging us? What sucks? You seem to be arguing for the South to secede in 1860… let me challenge you, I believe that more good than harm came from preserving the Union and think that Lincoln did the right thing… why do you disagree?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:10 pmbelac Says:
How are you challenging us? What sucks? You seem to be arguing for the South to secede in 1860… let me challenge you, I believe that more good than harm came from preserving the Union and think that Lincoln did the right thing… why do you disagree?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:17 pm**********************
Lemme see, a few million dead, the South devastated and logged into a weird ass idea that they should agree the North won? Belac, is there one thing that survives from the South? Other than their weird idea they won?
and I am still waiting for one true believer to pick up the gauntlet.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pmA lot of people died, yes. The South was destroyed, yes. Lincoln did everything he could to AVOID the conflict but Mr. Davis forced his hand by shelling Ft. Sumter… the South brought this conflict on themselves but in the end the freeing of the slaves was a good thing, as was preserving the Union, even if some in the South refuse to recognize the benefits they’ve received from the Federal Government.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:24 pmHoodathunk, I just took a break from work to pop in here and check up, and your current argument escapes me.
First, you seem to be saying that a few million dead, the South devastated and logged into a weird ass idea that they should agree the North won outweighs the good that came from the Civil War being fought — the preservation of the union, the end of sanctioned slavery in this nation, the commercial and industrial power this nation grew into.
Weird argument, but okay…
But the thing that really confuses me is you keep taunting others to “pick up the gauntlet”, as if no one else was addressing your arguments. belac, gummitch, ElBruce are all giving you ample push back, and you seem to be ignoring most of what they say.
At the very least, they qualify as “picking up the gauntlet”, no?
Unless you’re seeking something different as a “true believer”, I don’t know.
Back to work. Carry on.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:25 pmand I am still waiting for one true believer to pick up the gauntlet.
What gauntlet?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:26 pmWhat are you talking about?
I am talking about the gauntlet I have thrown, belac. The one I have tossed in the face of all of the folks who play here. I don’t do it as a troll and they know it. I throw the gauntlet as their equal.
Come debate with me.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pmWe are. See all above comments directed to you…
January 20th, 2009 at 7:32 pmas a statement, the idea I tossed out a gauntlet to my fellow progressives or anyone who might have a thought on the subject, and have received diddly in return I would say trolls keep up the pressure, they just like to trash you.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pmand to those who think differently, I would rather be a troll who contests things than a goblin who agrees.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pmI could us a new pair of gauntlets. My current ones are quite old and no longer smell good
January 20th, 2009 at 7:39 pmSorry, Hoodathunk, I confess that I am not well-enough informed to debate this subject with you.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:39 pmnice co[o out Jane
January 20th, 2009 at 7:40 pmNice cop out Jane
January 20th, 2009 at 7:40 pmbut thanks for the thought
January 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pmOh come one. Can’t you people come up with a better response?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pmWow.
Hoodathunk,
I’ve been giving you the benefit of the doubt today because you seemed to have made sense in the past, and I’ve only been in and out today, so I really don’t know what the fuss is — but being a jerk to Jane is way out of line. What are you hoping to accomplish with that?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pmI am talking about the gauntlet I have thrown, belac. The one I have tossed in the face of all of the folks who play here. I don’t do it as a troll and they know it. I throw the gauntlet as their equal.
What idea? I notice you don’t include me in your equals but I’d still like to understand what exactly your talking about…
January 20th, 2009 at 7:45 pmdammit your= you’re
January 20th, 2009 at 7:45 pmI was serious, Hoodathunk, not mocking. History is not my strong suit, and my memory sucks anyway. It was not a cop-out.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:45 pmI’m sorry, I can’t play the Bushie game. Can’t you hammer me me?
January 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pmThanks, Zooey. I, too, have agreed with many of Hoodathunk’s comments in the past, and I expect to do so in the future. However, I am woefully ignorant on many things, and the Civil War is one of them, despite The History Channel’s best efforts.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:49 pmHoodathunk, that response to Jane was bullshit.
You’re starting to sound like a troll now — ignoring sound responses to your posts as if they didn’t exist, belittling other, well-intentioned posters who decline to take up a subject as “copping out”.
What are you looking for in a debate that belac, gummitch, Wayne, or ElBruce haven’t offered?
It seems you’re the only one who knows what you’re looking for. Good luck finding it.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pmand the bottom line is, meet me with the whole thing.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pmand no one has called me.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pmIALib Says:
Hopefully Roberts is better at leading the court than administering oaths.
Not so much.
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Hoodathunk Says:
as a statement, the idea I tossed out a gauntlet…
Huh? Before you were arguing that the Constitution forbids the Federal government from passing laws that restrict the states. I seem to have won that debate… So now you’re arguing that we’d be better off if the South had successfully seceded? Is that it?
OK, but this is your second one, which means you’re officially out of gauntlets. No more gauntlets for you!
I think most of us would agree that there are some things we’d like to have gone down differently in American history. But I’d the successful resolution of the North in the Civil War must go in the category of things that define us for the better. Had the South seceded, the we’d have two countries right now (if not more) – one with slavery, and another that turned its back on slavery rather than put an end to it. I don’t consider that to be a better outcome. I don’t believe that either of those nations could ever make any claim of moral authority for the rest of their existence if that had been the case.
If we believe that the ideals of America are a good thing, then we must view also view the outcome of the Civil War as good, since that is what helped shape a significant portion of them. In their better moments (such as today) our better politicians often talk of the crises that have put America at great risk and ultimately shaped it for the better. Chief among these is the Civil War.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:51 pmI don’t know the details of the subject at hand. From my perspective, The North won because, to paraphrase President Obama in his inauguration speech today, the South was on the wrong side.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:51 pmWTF?????
January 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pmThank you ElBruce, well said.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pmI’m with ralph. I can’t make sense of what all this is about.
Have fun, y’all.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pmIf we believe that the ideals of America are a good thing, then we must view also view the outcome of the Civil War as good, since that is what helped shape a significant portion of them. In their better moments (such as today) our better politicians often talk of the crises that have put America at great risk and ultimately shaped it for the better. Chief among these is the Civil War.
Well said.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:55 pmElBruce says: If we believe that the ideals of America are a good thing, then we must view also view the outcome of the Civil War as good.
A few million dead, a hundred years before the “supposed responses” might have an impact, yah, I am delusional. I suppose that things only are important when they mean dollars in someone’s pocket.
January 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pmMy favorite battle from the Civil War:
Antietam
“The bloodiest single day in American history with more than 6000 soldiers killed.”
Basically the final turning point in the Confederate defeat (their only hope in the end was that the British would intervene – what a bunch of un-American pseudo-patriots!)
And no, Lincoln was no REAL friend to the slaves. But he knew their freedom would be another major blow to the South’s desire to secede. Secession – yet another wimpy, un-American idea.
Stupid, inbred southerners (I should know, I’ve lived among them my whole life).
January 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pmA few million dead, a hundred years before the “supposed responses” might have an impact
but it had an immediate impact- slavery was ended and the Union was preserved.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pmthe outcome of the Civil War as good.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pmthe outcome of the Civil War as good.
This seems to be in opposition to everything you and J. Davis have been saying on this thread…
January 20th, 2009 at 8:05 pmA good friend just expressed his awe at the hideous troll posts at a site he was visiting. Guess we got the civil war trolls, he got the Planet of the Apes trolls. Jiminy effing Cricket, these people are sick.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pmBelac, go back 150 years, stain your skin dark and have a good time. Then come forward and ask the people who worked with MLK if they believe you. Just a thought.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:08 pmHoodathunk Says:
the outcome of the Civil War as good.
Have you been in the sauce? I ask this as someone who has occasionally gotten carried away and Posted While Drunk. I can tell there is a problem when I have to peer at the keys to figure out which one I want to strike — and then have to delete and try again.
Because what you’ve been writing for the last hour or two makes no sense at all. You’re demanding that people debate you, and when they do, demand that they debate you, and you have yet to actually state what it is you want debated — other than an apparent conviction that the South should have been allowed to go their merry way and destroy the fairly-new Republic.
I honestly don’t get this whole South Shall Rise Again argument. Invariably, the same people who pack their sons and daughters off to war, and paint themselves as super patriots and anti-war citizens as anti-American make up the group that thinks the South should have been able to pack up and leave whenever things didn’t go their way.
The South started a war because they lost an election, for god’s sake. The Republicans (ironically) won and the Southern states began to realize that the iron grip they’d held on the federal government was beginning to slip. The new government was not going to allow the South to keep spreading slavery as they destroyed their land with cotton and poor farming practices, so the Southern states threw a hissy fit and decided to leave. There’s nothing noble about that.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:08 pmIs it just me? Or is it like the Hoodathunk who began this thread was a cyborg, and now its circuitry is fried and the little alien at the controls inside is desperately struggling to hide the dysfunction?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pmHoodathunk Says:
the outcome of the Civil War as good.
Just how much have you had to drink today? Be honest.
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wiley Says:
…he got the Planet of the Apes trolls.
Awesome! Wait – what?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmBelac, go back 150 years, stain your skin dark and have a good time. Then come forward and ask the people who worked with MLK if they believe you. Just a thought.
What?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmI can guarantee that the people who worked with MLK would agree with me that the ending of Slavery was a good thing- I don’t need to time travel to tell you that.
For those of you who have missed it, I have tusks that hang below my lower lip. I think Rush is going to let me become a member of the RNC. And I am a nasty troll who none of the usual troll haters has burned to the ground.
Pardon me for whatever.,
January 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmAnd our next contestant on “Grasping For Straws”…
please welcome Lush Interior!
(theme music)
January 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmOn second thought, it looks like the little alien has all he can do just to keep the Hoodathunk unit from crashing into furniture.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pmLushInterior Says:
PBHO inauguration speach 1/20/09
“We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.”
Sounds like the “cowboy” is coming out in PBHO.
Sounds to me like he’s talking about the Republicans.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pmI don’t recall Lushy ever using the acronym PGWB to refer to Ex-President Bush, do you guys? Is this something from El Lushbo, er, I mean… El Rushbo?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:17 pmHoodathunk Says:
For those of you who have missed it, I have tusks that hang below my lower lip.
Like a walrus? Koo koo ka-choo.
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Hoodathunk Says:
Pardon me for whatever.,
No. But I’ll consider commuting your sentence after five years if you behave.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pmLush,
Keith just announced that chimpy had over 1800 unused tickets to his little shyte in TX. And the tickets were free.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
January 20th, 2009 at 8:22 pmCan anyone make a lick of sense out of what Hoodathunk is saying?
I think gummitch and ElBruce are on the right track. Reads like a coupla glasses of vino to me.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:24 pmI’m hoping that Hoodathunk just got backed into a corner defending state’s rights and things kinda just spiraled out of control… but then at the end there, I dunno…
January 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pmYes, Bruce. I hope the hospitals are stocking up on thorazine.
Here is a sample:
Followed by “amen”s and “I concur”s.
Perhaps the problem with the South is the way they are taught the Civil War leaves them with the impression that they lost on a technicality.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pmand Ralph, nice ditch.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:27 pmHoodathunk Says: nice ditch
then stop digging.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pmDuring the inaugural parade,I was impressed with the talent and creativity of the lesbian and gay band association on cnn.com/live… that is until cnn cut their performance short to give an update as to where Bush was. Could not believe it and hope I can find a rerun on you tube.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:32 pmas a final farewell, I saw in several other posts where the big dogs here challenged the sock puppets. Repeatedly. And they were vindicated because no challenge was forthcoming.
I have challenged the titans of TP and not one has responded. Enjoy your position folks.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:33 pmI didn’t know that 2 million died during the Civil war, wow that’s news to me.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pmHoodathunk Says:
I have challenged the titans of TP and not one has responded. Enjoy your position folks.
Ah, the three monkeys. Now I get it. If you don’t read the responses, then they don’t exist.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pmOh come on, you guys can laugh at me. Toss out various resons why I am a sock puppet. ElBruce, Dr Matt, somebody can respond to me.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pmIs there a Rosetta stone for this shit?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pmCan you please explain how “no one has responded”? What do you consider the posts of the aforementioned belac, ElBruce, gummitch, Wayne A. Schneider, et al. if not responses?
Were you really interested in a debate?
Or were you just intent on proving that no one here was capable of debate,a nd so you have to insist that this is the case, in the face of much evidence to the contrary?
Can anyone make sense of this Hoodathunk post?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pmI suppose I could throw down the gauntlet of WTF is being yammered on about and why should I care?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pmElBruce Says:
Is there a Rosetta stone for this shit?
Check the medicine cabinet. There’s bound to be something in there.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:40 pmI notice, Lushy, you didn’t answer the question: did you use that particular construction for the former-president?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:42 pmHey I have an idea. Let’s go in circles for 3 straight days trying to prove atheism a religion. That sure was far more amusing than this weirdness..
January 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pmActually, I kinda felt sorry for President Obama – he undoubtedly had the oath of office memorized…
January 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pmHoodathunk Says:
For those of you who have missed it, I have tusks that hang below my lower lip. I think Rush is going to let me become a member of the RNC. And I am a nasty troll who none of the usual troll haters has burned to the ground.
Pardon me for whatever.,
Maybe none of you cares about this but I never wrote this. I have no idea where it came from but it was not from my fingers. If believing that a president may have run our country into a war that could have been avoided 140 years ago makes me a troll, ok. But I did not post this.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pmWhat happened here? I’m not sure that I understand exactly what Hoodathunk wanted some to debate about, but I know that I would have been inadequate to the task. Hell, I’m probably the only person in the world who has never seen Ken Burns’ The Civil War. (Just saw him on Keith, otherwise I wouldn’t have even thought of it.)
Um, Happy Inauguration Day?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pmIf republicans want to return to political relevance, they must first deal with their own attitudes regarding race.
The virulence of the criticism of Obama isn’t because he’s black. It’s because he’s half-white, and so personifies republicans’ innermost subconscious fear: diminuition of white America, through intermarriage and immigration. A black candidate would also have been attacked, make no mistake – but the fact that Obama is half-white made him an especially tempting target for republicans, because he represented the fruits of a bi-racial, liberal legacy which will shunt their offspring into the demographic minority, in the coming decades.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:49 pmI thought this was a decent site. This post proves me wrong. Anyone who wants to look back at my posts can see this. Somebody is afraid.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pmWell, speaking for myself, Hoodathunk, I certainly care whether you wrote something under your name or not. If you were name-jacked, that makes a big difference in my understanding of who you are and what you mean.
It also helps explain the bizarre turn into incoherence that your posts seem to have taken in the last hour or so.
Is that the only post under your name that you didn’t author?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pmLush,
Look how mooseyak aged since a few short months.
HAHAHAHA
January 20th, 2009 at 8:53 pmRalph, I will debate anything with you but that post is pure poison and and I would like to believe that anyone who has read my posts would wonder.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pmAgain, Hoodathunk, I ask, as straightforwardly as I can — is that one “poison” post the only comment that appears under your name that you didn’t author?
January 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pmHoodathunk, I am with you on the shite post. This used to happen regularly a long time ago. This would be the first occurrence for a while. Please contact TP and tell them.
January 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pmI caught portions of our new President’s speech from news clips, but what I REALLY liked was how the show I listen to interspersed his talk with President Ronald Reagan’s speech.
WOW! What a stark contrast between a man who understood that government wasn’t the answer to our country’s problems and one who thinks more government is always the answer!
It’s hard to fathom just how far we’ve fallen in just 20 odd years.
January 20th, 2009 at 9:00 pmBarfly @ 523:
Pretty succinct analysis. I’ve long said that the underlying cause of Republican/Conservative/Southern hatred towards anything different from them is their petrifying fear of becoming a minority.
Bottom line is America has changed, and you either roll with the punches or you get KO’d.
January 20th, 2009 at 9:01 pmTalking about cherry picking history. On every slave ship about two thirds of the humans on board died before they reached their destination. Spain and England had already outlawed slave trading decades before the civil war.
Africa did fine as a tribal nation before white men decided to spread Christianity and agriculture that spread turned forest into ever increasing drought and desert.
Slaves had been rebelling for a very long time in the islands and either the slaves or the owners as well as property were routinely destroyed.
If we had let the south secede the slaves probably would have eventually freed themselves