If we impeach presidents for that, then if the president takes the country to war on a lie where thousands of American soldiers die horrible, violent deaths and over 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, including women and children, even babies are killed, the punishment obviously has to be much, much more severe.

That’s just common sense.

If Bush were impeached, convicted in the Senate, and removed from office, he’d still be a free man, still be able to wake up in the morning with his cup of coffee and freshly squeezed orange juice and read the morning paper, still travel widely and lead a life of privilege, still belong to his country club and get standing ovations whenever he chose to speak to the Republican faithful.

This, for being responsible for over 100,000 horrible deaths?

* For anyone interested in true justice, impeachment alone would be a joke for what Bush did.

Let’s look at the way some of the leading liberal lights (and, of course, the rest of the entire nation with the exception of those few recommending impeachment) have treated the issue of punishment for Bush’s cardinal sins.

New York Times columnist Paul Krugman wrote about “the false selling of the Iraq War.

We were railroaded into an unnecessary war.” Fine, I agree. Now what? Krugman just goes on to the next paragraph.

But if Bush falsely railroaded the nation into a war where over 100,000 people died, including 4,000 American soldiers, how can you go on to the next paragraph as if you had been writing that Bush spent the weekend at Camp David with his wife?

For doing what Krugman believes Bush did, doesn’t Bush have to be punished commensurately in some way? Are there no consequences for committing a crime of colossal proportions?

Vincent Bugliosi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQXGH-OFPWE

Americans should see this too.

I didn’t see anything in the Senate report saying we tortured anyone.
Aggressive interrogation techniques which, of course, are abusive.

Torture is the use of any aggressive or abusive interrogation technique. In fact, the word “abuse” itself means that you’re doing something wrong. Thanks for making that one so easy.

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glezzery Says:

Humiliation, sleep deprivation, loud music do not amount to torture.

Yes, they do. In fact, until the Bush administration started doing these things, everybody knew they were torture. I remember when people found out that the Soviet KGB had been studying the effects of those, as well as sensory deprivation and stress positions. We were outraged. Outraged, I tell you.

I thought you people were supposed to have moral standards. Bush could tell you tomorrow to kill your children and you’d act like it was always OK to kill your children. It’s disgusting how cheaply you sell your souls.

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glezzery Says:

I wish folks would consider these folks are not pick pockets, soldiers but terrorists who want YOU dead and they will use any means they can to do it, including nerve gas, biological weapons, and nukes.

Prove that the people being tortured are terrorists. You’d have to take them to court to do that.

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glezzery Says:

Who gives a crap what some dork at the UN thinks.

We do. Ratification of the Geneva Conventions makes them part of U.S. law.

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Bolton is still there?

Pull your head out and look around every now and then.

It is embarrassing enough that we let this man hold office for 8 years. How will it look if we let him get away with what turns out to be considered criminal by the rest of the world.

Shayne,
That ship has sailed. Just like 75% of Americans, the vast majority of human beings on the Earth already consider the bush/cheney administration murderous and criminal. Many compare them with Milosevich, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Kim Jong and Pinochet, to mention a few.

Do these right wingers know how stupid they sound? It’s almost like the Republicans are intentionally trying to invalidate themselves.

Get on with it.

Of course, if we investigate, there is an inherrent bias to the investigation. So the world community doing it may not be a bad thing.