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911=Inside Job

Anthrax = Inside Job

Hague 2009!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/14/AR2009011401957.html?referrer=digg

I didn’t say anything mean spirited or combative nor do I plan to, so hopefully you can do likewise.

We knew you were right, Bart. But we didn’t quite know well enough for you, so you had to go on endless rants, smears and attacks — because our agreement didn’t quite suit you.

Sheesh…

Were matters spied on that could be used to blackmail ?

Were matter spied on that could be used to unduly influence legislators ? Juries ? etc.

Was there a Bush mole sitting there to directly relay really juicy bits of information ?

Were any of the intercepted calls instrumental in identifying or outing Valerie Plame ?

In short, I’d like to see a thorough deposition – which in this case would take weeks.

KevinHayden Says:

Questions for Tice:

1) Is there any evidence that from these warrantless taps between domestic callers on both sides, that a single terrorist activity was thwarted?

2) Was Howard Dean, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or any presidential candidate (or campaign manager) wiretapped? (This is important because the elected Democrats are more likely to fight back if they think it’s their own ox being gored).

3) Besides telephone taps, were other long-range listening devices used to mine conversations without court oversight?

Kevin, not to be redundant but your questions show that people still aren’t getting it. You ask if Howard Dean or Nancy Pelosi was wiretapped, demonstrating you still don’t get the magnitude of what Mr Tice is trying to say.

Mr Tice was clear last night when he said “ALL COMMUNICATIONS WERE MONITORED”, but so many people still don’t get it. Even Keith Olbermann seemed transfixed on the concept of them targeting journalists, instead of recognizing the magnitude of what Mr Tice is trying to tell him.

It was ALL calls. All emails. All communications.

Not some.

ALL.

He pointed out the difficulty in “listening” to all communications, both voice and data (answering your third question) which I think confused some people including Olberman, but he made it clear that ALL communications were “monitored”.

Monitoring in this instance means mirroring the data, (voice, email, web traffic, etc) into special rooms provided to the Bush administration by AT&T and other telecommunications companies where the data is “filtered” for certain keywords.

Bush spoke of this himself back in 2003 and 2004 when he spoke publicly about “Digital Switching Hubs”. Most people didn’t get it, but being as I work with data communications I picked up on it immediately. Over the late 90’s and early 00’s the countries telecommunications infrastructure underwent a huge overhaul, moving everything that passes through whats known as a calling “LATA” to digital switching technologies. (as opposed to analog). This is what SPRINT used to call “Digitized Voice”. Once communications are “digital”, (ones and zeros) then it can easily be stored, filtered, analyzed, etc, on and by computers. This is what Bush referred to in 2004 when he spoke of “Data Mining” techniques. The data they were “mining” was the voluminous warehoused data they had and were daily collecting on all US communications.

Of course like Mr Tice points out, not “all” of it can be “listened to”. It would be impossible. But “all” of it was “monitored” as he so clearly stated at the beginning of the interview last night, meaning all of it passing through digital telecommunications switched was “mirrored” to the infamous “secret rooms” where it passed through filters searching for whatever keywords were hot that particular day.

I’m not trying to be redundant here, but I can see people are still having a hard time coming to grips with the magnitude of what Mr Tice, and others have been trying to say now for years.

Its not “some” communications that were monitored.

It was ALL communications. And if that seems difficult to comprehend then I encourage you to ask yourself that one simple question I’ve been asking in here and elsewhere, for years.

If they can “START” recording when you say certain keywords, (ie. b0mb, president, airplane, etc), then how did they KNOW you said those words, in the first place?

1) Is there any evidence that from these warrantless taps between domestic callers on both sides, that a single terrorist activity was thwarted?

2) Was Howard Dean, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or any presidential candidate (or campaign manager) wiretapped? (This is important because the elected Democrats are more likely to fight back if they think it’s their own ox being gored).

3) Besides telephone taps, were other long-range listening devices used to mine conversations without court oversight?

Zooey Says:

We knew it was bad, and it’s BAD — and it’s probably much worse

In another life, I tried to tell people in here and in your blog Zooey, that it was “all” communications being monitored.

Not some. ALL. Yours. Mine. All.

Remember the old question I used to ask?

If they can “START” recording your calls when you say certain words, like President, Airplane, etc, then how did they KNOW you said those words in the first place?

I tried to get people to ask themselves that question but everyone just thought I was nuts.

:|

Which I am of course, but that’s beside the point.

It’s ALL communications, as Tice said last night. ALL communications are “monitored”. And some are focused on for special monitoring and storage. But ALL of them are being monitored. Which is of course eavesdropping on a national level. Illegally.

President Obama said yesterday the government was going to be more open to FOIA applications.

Wayne A. Schneider Says:

I do NOT expect that Prez.O will ‘de-imperialize’ the Presidency.

Why not? An “Imperial Presidency” is unconstitutional.
January 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Because his ‘advisors’ will guide him away from ceding power back to the congress or the people.

No president has EVER ceded power back to those from whom they arrogated it to themselves.

Never…

I do not know why you’d think he’d want to.
He’s no less a creature of the authoritarian/corporatist/globalist/militarist hegemonic formation than anyone else with the power to wield…

Why not? An “Imperial Presidency” is unconstitutional.

I think a LOT of folks would believe Prez.O. if he made similar protestations.

I do NOT expect that Prez.O will ‘de-imperialize’ the Presidency.

He asked about warrants, and was told they weren’t necessary under the Patriot Act.

Except that the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, as Congress did not have the authority to strip us of our Fourth Amendment rights. No argument they make will make that law constitutional. But it can’t get struck down until someone can go into court and prove that an NSL letter was used to conduct the search. And since the NSLs are classified, and mentioning they exist is a crime, it is very difficult to prove you were illegally spied upon. Which was the intention of the Bush Administration all along. A legal Catch-22.

Also, there’s a doozy of a thread about the Civil War just after you click on “Older posts”. Something tells me that you and J. Davis would make a good match.

We must NEVER EVER let these people in charge of anything again.