Murtha Attacked For Offering To House Gitmo Detainees In PA: They Might Indoctrinate Other Inmates!
Murtha Attacked For Offering To House Gitmo Detainees In PA: They Might Indoctrinate Other Inmates!
One day before President Obama ordered the closing of Guantanamo Bay, Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) said he would be willing to facilitate the process by bringing some of the detainees into his district. “Sure, I’d take them,” Murtha said. “I mean, they’re no more dangerous in a prison in my district than they are in Guantanamo.”
Fox News’s Glenn Beck called Murtha a “clown” yesterday because of the proposal. But Diane Gramley, president of the American Family Association of Pennsylvania, may have won top prize for the most absurd reaction. Calling the idea “ludicrous,” Gramley’s main complaint seems to be that the al Qaeda suspects will indoctrinate the other American inmates:
“I don’t think the average murderer or rapist hates all Americans or hates what America stands for like the terrorist prisoners from Guantanamo,” said Gramley, who lives in Venango County. “You intermix them with the prison population, and there’s the very real possibility they would influence those individuals in prison.”
While one local chamber of commerce president said he does not “see any downside” to Murtha’s idea because it would mean bringing jobs to the area, Pentagon officials are eying other military prisons in South Carolina, Kansas, and California.
But Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D) and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) have expressed strong reservations at housing former Gitmo detainees in their state. South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint (R) said the Obama White House “should be ready for a fight” if it decides to move the terror suspects to South Carolina. “Transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay to U.S. soil will endanger American lives,” DeMint said.
However, defense experts have stated the opposite, that the Guantanamo debacle has led directly to American casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan. But also, former Gitmo detainees will be locked in maximum security prisons and would pose no more danger than some of America’s most dangerous inmates:
– CNN senior analyst Jeffrey Toobin noted, “We have a legal system in this country that has tried Zacarias Moussaoui. It has tried the blind sheik. We have had terrorism trials. These people are in prison. Our legal system is completely capable.”
– “We have thousands of prisoners incarcerated who are as evil, violent and uncontrollable as I imagine any of the terrorist detainees are,” said Joseph Bobak, a local PA professor of criminology and forensic science.
Yet, facts like these don’t stop conservatives from making “absurd” arguments in favor of keeping Guantanamo open for business indefinitely.
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Do these Conservative clowns not understand that you cannot mix them with the regular inmates?
The inmates would kill them….they may be inmates but they hate them also.
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January 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pmyeah, we don’t want inmates in our prisons exposed to the wrong kind of people, y’know.
They might end up becoming antisocial or something.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pmMaybe some of the Republicoids have discovered that the “our prisons can’t hold them!” fear tactic makes no sense, so they’re now floating the “our prisoners will convert to Islam!” fear tactic just to see if it works better.
How is it that Gitmo is more secure than any maximum security prison in this country? Can it possibly be more secure than the ADX supermax prison in Colorado? Check out the list of prisoners.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:25 pmCan someone tell me when Republicans became so open about their fear of, well, everything?
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pmMurtha Attacked For Offering To House Gitmo Detainees In PA: They Might Indoctrinate Other Inmates!»
- – Currently being held in federal custody in Florence, Colorado:
Zacarias Moussaoui, Conspirator in the September 11, 2001 attacks
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 pmOmar Abdel-Rahman, “The Blind Sheik”; involved in 1993 WTC bombing
Richard Colvin Reid, Islamic terrorist, nicknamed the “Shoe Bomber”
Wadih el-Hage, Conspirator in the 1998 US embassy bombings
Mahmud Abouhalima, Islamic Mujahideen leader, 1993 WTC bombing
Jose Padilla, Convicted of aiding terrorists
Mohammed A. Salameh, 1993 WTC bombing
This is too much. I need to open a bottle of wine before I can read more “Chicken Little Fables – The Republican Fears”.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 pmTese republitards dont seem to mind spending billions to build prisons to lock up murderes rapeist and child molesteres in there own back yard hell they scream for it…for nothing more than to LOOK tough on crime and to bring federal dollars in there states and counties but a bunch of ppl who by the way havent been proven to be enemy combatants just ppl that got cought up in the so called war on terror…. there are bad guys in gitmo.. but how many arent? as far as indoctranation the gang world comes into prison and indoctranates ppl every day but there our criminals so its ok
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:33 pmBadmoodman Says:
- – Currently being held in federal custody in Florence, Colorado:
Zacarias Moussaoui,
How many Aryans has he converted?
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 pmpersonally, i think the detainees should room with jackoff abrahamoff tom delady, ted stevens and larry toe tapper craig. toss in a couple boxcutters and have a “survival of the fittest” grudge match to air on pay-per-view. betcha we would get rid of our national debt over night.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 pmThey’re not just terrorists; they’re evil wizards.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 pmRepublicans are just scared because they know they have a good chance of ending up in the same prisons as the detainees. And if you were a detainee wouldn’t you go after the same guys who said it was a good idea to torture you.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 pmwiley Says: They’re not just terrorists; they’re evil wizards.
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I’ve got it! Let’s send them all to Azkaban.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:45 pm- – Currently being held in federal custody in Florence, Colorado:
you forgot Terry Nichols, partnered with McVeigh to bomb OKC
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:47 pmProving that Republicans have absolutely no faith in U.S. law, courts, or prisons. Apparently they feel the American justice system is totally incompetent– and if so, who is to blame for making it so over the last 8 years? The Republican party will have to move into this century if they ever hope to regain any semblance of credibility. At present all they do is block, whine, and put down the United States.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 pmStupid.
Breakfast of Republicans.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 pmBeck has no right calling anyone else a clown. His clown shoes are huge.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pmThese cowards are afraid of telling their constituents the truth rather than what they think the citizens want to hear. That’s why nothing seems to get done.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pmNice point, Shayne.
Also, are we to assume that the more violent types in our prisons (and even the nonviolent) need anybody to teach them to be po’ed at the system?
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 pmEvil wizards?
Does that make Shrubbie Sauron?
Or Obama Gandalf?
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:53 pmI guess that’s why there are so many pot smokers in prison. They’re the only people the Republicans are brave enough to confine.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 pmRepublicans, turn off your tv’s!
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 pmBut Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D) and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) have expressed strong reservations at housing former Gitmo detainees in their state.
Fine. If they want it that way, we can move the entire federal penitentiary out of Leavenworth and relocate it in some other state. Either they want the business or they don’t. They don’t get to cherry-pick what inmates a federal prison can accept and which it can’t.
Seriously, neither of them have a leg to stand on; I don’t see how they can expect to “resist” it. Obama doesn’t need legislation to transfer prisoners between federal pens, nor can any state block such an action. Then again, this is the year of the false front oppositional tactic (Reid/Burris).
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Now how exactly is it any business of the “American Family Association of Pennsylvania” whether terrorists are recruiting in prisons? What has that got to do with “families?” I love it when wingnut front groups accidentally let their masks drop.
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<em.Buckie Boy Says:
Do these Conservative clowns not understand that you cannot mix them with the regular inmates?
The inmates would kill them…
Not any more than they’re likely to kill any other group of inmates. Everybody hates everybody in those high-security pens.
Actually it’s the cons who really don’t want them mixed.
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T R L Says:
Tese republitards dont seem to mind spending billions to build prisons to lock up murderes rapeist and child molesteres in there own back yard hell they scream for it…for nothing more than to LOOK tough on crime and to bring federal dollars in there states and counties
I’m all for murderers, rapists and chimos being locked up. But we should probably clear out the casual pot smokers and dealers to make some room. We’ve got a higher percentage of our population in prison than any other stable democracy in the world. Only military dictatorships lock up more of their own people than we do.
We can hardly expect to fight Wars on Terror and Drugs at the same time; that’s a two front war there.
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wiley Says:
They’re not just terrorists; they’re evil wizards.
From the way cons cower at the very thought of them, Al Qaeda is apparently being run by Voldemort.
Ever notice how Bush and Cheney refuse to say the name “Usama Bin Laden?”
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 pmSorry NIMBYs, but this is more important than your backyard. We either use one of America’s current Maximum Security Prisons or build a new one. And if we build one, here are the site requirements: 1: On Federal Government land 2: away from any population centers 3: whatever people who know more than me consider important.
So, let’s look at a map of the US. Right off the bat, lots of federal land in California, Nevada, Utah, and New Mexico, if my memory is correct. Away from population centers: that why this junk land is still Fed owned, or it is already guarded, restricted, and away from people.
Seems like we own enough Federal land in the middle of nowhere that we can find some where “safe” to house these last remnants of King George’s war on whatever.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 pmWe need to worry more about the Republicans out of prison than the detainees in prison.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 pmFirst, Glenn Beck – burn in hell! You damn moron! Second, some of these conservatives are just ignorant freaks! There are all kinds of terrorists in jail already! Shyte, they may not be blowing stuff up, but they’ve terrorized society in some way or another. Put the detainees from GITMO who have been tried for crimes in a PA prison in isolation – NUFF SAID!
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 pmLast and again – Glenn Beck shut the f*&K up and burn in hell!
The only legit argument I could see here is that they fear the prison becoming a terrorist target, which is a pretty legit fear.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 pmAny prison to which these “detainees” are sent will absorb them into it’s muslim population, and they’ll probably be somewhat rehabilitated after socializing with American muslim prisoners, some of whom were former US soldiers.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:59 pmYa, JimboSlice, Gitmo has been under constant assault?
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 pmOr send ‘em to Pelican Bay. They’ll be killed by La Emme within six months.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 pmThe greatest threat from terrorism is the dumbness it induces in a great many people…
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 pmMy personal opinion is that they should be held at Rikers Island while they await ‘trial’ I am sure the fine folks at Rikers will treat them well!
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmThese NIMBY’s are really reaching here. We all no how deserted the Bay area is just because Charlie is in the Big Q and is cranking out mass murders there.
Myself, I get the willies just driving by the prison where Daumer died. Not because he was there but because the place is freaking scary!
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:13 pmAlcatraz is available…
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pmI really wish the right side grew a spine. Watching and listening to them whine and moan is quite embarrassing to strong Americans everywhere.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:17 pmWe have kidnapped so innocent people and tortured them now we expect these people to become like America right. Some have already been sent home as they were tortured for 7 years but we knew they had nothing to do with Al Qeada but kept them locked up any way to say face. Now we have some who are bad but we tortued them to lie and say what we told them to say. We have also tortured children just to make their parent admit to what we want them to say. Yes the wing nuts are right just kill them all. Sounds like how the Americans once treated the slaves until we learned that doesn’t work. I just pray on other country or group followes the Bush Torture Policies on any Americans.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:21 pmJust a thought here…take a shoe, stuff it with cheese and keep handy for any Repug you meet. Toss well so they have something to go with their whine.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pmMurtha could say he’s going for a coffee & the GOP would attack him. The GOP is hateful & vengeful. Murtha is not. There lies the put downs by the GOP, an obsolete entity themselves.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pmElBruce Says:
I’m all for murderers, rapists and chimos being locked up. But we should probably clear out the casual pot smokers and dealers to make some room.
I respectfully disagree. There are indeed tens of thousands of casual pot smokers and dealers locked up, but if you let them out, you’re just increasing the problems related to drug trade in our side of the border. Increased non-punishable consumption in the USA leads to increased drug traffic across the border.
You get drug users and dealers in the USA; we get drug-related killings and corruption here in Mexico.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:23 pmPerhaps TP could enlighten, as to why v/o/y/e/u/r/i/s/t/i/c is considered a bad word?
I’ve hit the net three times now.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 pmbarfly Says:
Perhaps TP could enlighten, as to why v/o/y/e/u/r/i/s/t/i/c is considered a bad word?
It’s French? oh wait, we aren’t mad at them anymore.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:27 pmLush, if you aren’t posting this from the computer in the library, how the heck would you know?
And if you are, it was lights out a while ago.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pmLushInterior Says:
On a serious note….if these people were incarcerated in ANY prison in the US they would be the target of every inmate in the prison.
Just like child rapists. Just like multiple murderers. Just like the terrorists already locked up in the states. And they didn’t get killed by the dozens when they were jailed.
A new GITMO is not needed.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 pmIt’s French? oh wait, we aren’t mad at them anymore.
Alcatraz would be a good location. They could run tour groups out on the bay, and people could watch as they go out for exercise, and get t-shirts that say something stupid, like “I kept an eye on terrorists – with Eagle Eye Tours.”
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:34 pmYeah, when Reverends and Priests go about and convert killers and sociopathic rapists to Jesus…that’s just dandy to the Republicans. Those people got the Medal of Freedom from Bush.
But when someone wants to convert to the Islamic faith, cripes…we get this spiel that they’re gonna get out on a technicality and hijack a school bus and kill babies in the hospital from these Republican supremacists!
Do these jerks know that prisoners already convert to Islam without the terrorists and that the Muslim faith is full of good people? And that people who are of Arabic descent are *shock* Christian? My bad, the GOP lumps the lunatic fringe of Islam in with the wholesome parts and those who believe in other faiths because according to them, everyone who speaks with an Arabic accent has an agenda that begins and ends with wanting to kill Americans!
I’d cry at this sort of racial profiling if I wasn’t so *bleeping* angry over it. I hope next time a Mitch McConnell or Sam Brownback goes to someplace like Greece, he’s detained for eight hours for the reason of “just because”.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:35 pmIf this happened it would be a international disaster for BHO.
Yeah, he better keep Gitmo open- ’cause what will the world think of us if he closes the illegal detention center?
If held in the “SHU” this would violate many international rules for incarceration of these specific individuals.
Now, New Jersey isn’t that bad- I hardly think that holding them at Seton Hall would qualify as a violation of international rules…
I suggest this be one of the first construction projects of the new administration.
And I suggest you be one of the first projects, Lushie. with the amount of b.s. you spread, you certainly seem ’shovel ready’ to me…
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 pmSOT but related. We have an ongoing War on Drugs and lots of people have died from drug related violence and its right here at home so how come nobody is saying we should use the same tactics in this war?
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 pmThe terms “absurd” and “Republican” seem to go very well together.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pmBecause I am posting this from prison!
Lushie, your failure to recognize a punchline is sad… I guess you can’t teach an ol’ Lush new tricks… but don’t worry- I won’t hold your age and Reagan quotes against you… oh, wait… yes I will.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pmLuis M Says: There are indeed tens of thousands of casual pot smokers…
….uh, Luis, casual pot smokers are harmless…what planet you living on?
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pmWhatever sanity was remaining in the ranks of the GOP has fled. I miss the days, before Raygun emptied the asylums to gain votes, when the unbalanced and insane could be locked up for their protection. And ours.
None of us are safe until delusional people are, once again, denied a voice in public debate.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pmLushInterior Says:
belac….your youth and inexperience is annoying.
Lush, your wife is calling you. I think she’s deflating.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:52 pmBTW. The best pot is grown right here in the U.S.A. No “foreign drug trade” necessary.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pmLushy, you might want to think about cutting down the dairy in your diet. You seem to have some problems with releasing intestinal gas in public forums.
Oh, you mean that was you speaking out your a$$?
My mistake. It’s so hard to tell the difference.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 pmActually, I think Lush bit her on the…ahem,she farted and flew out the window.
So much for conjugal visits.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 pmLushInterior Says:
On a serious note….if these people were incarcerated in ANY prison in the US they would be the target of every inmate in the prison. They would be killed or injured at the first possible opportunity. If this happened it would be a international disaster for BHO. If held in the “SHU” this would violate many international rules for incarceration of these specific individuals. A new facility, just like Gitmo will have to be built to accommodate their special needs on US soil. I suggest this be one of the first construction projects of the new administration.
Read about protocol in maximum security, especially super max. Locked in a cell for 23 hours a day with extremely limited access to other prisoners. The last thing this country needs is another prison; we’ve already got more people locked up than any other country in the world.
Check the list I posted a link to earlier. One prison has all sorts of al Qaeda members, bombers, mass murderers . . . this is a bullsh!t argument.
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 pmWhat I would really love is for someone like Murtha to come out and call the lot of the conservative clowns behind this fearmongering, cowards. Bed wetting, hand wringing, scared of their own shadow, cowards. Its hilarous how they try to beat their chest about shit happening on the other side of the world (Iraq), but say something about holding a terrorist in a prison (something we have been doing for decades) anywhere near them and you see the yellow come out. What a frikkin joke. I really hope SOMEBODY with a D behind their name steps up to the plate call these mealy mouthed fake ass “tough guys” out for all their fear mongering.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pmYou know, Lush… Thomas Jefferson once said, ‘You should never judge a poster by his age, only by his posts…’ well, ever since I heard that I stopped worrying. I guess it might be time for you to start, huh?
See- I can make Reagan work for me too…after all, there is nothing so good for the inside of a man as keeping his head outside of his @ss…
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm… no matter how ‘Lush’ he finds that interior.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 pmI have to admit that I am very disappointed in Gov. Kathleen Sebelius. I always thought she was a “stand up” kind of gal. I had no idea she would be a sniveling NIMBY.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 pmBuckie Boy Says:
….uh, Luis, casual pot smokers are harmless…what planet you living on?
I’m not saying they go out on rampages and stuff like that. But they’re the consumers that fuel the whole drug trade business. You add up all of the casual pot smokers and you end up with tons of the product needed.
I’m living on the same planet you are… except on the other side of your southern border. Every day we get news of police officers and soldiers killed by the drug Cartels, not to mention many innocent bystanders.
I’m not putting all of the blame on you guys, of course. But you have to admit, it’s a multi-national problem and it requires a multi-national approach.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pmvoteforamerica Says:
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January 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 pmLets face it. The Repugs are in meltdown mode. They are making fools of themselves.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 pmHoodathunk Says:
These NIMBY’s are really reaching here. We all no how deserted the Bay area is just because Charlie is in the Big Q and is cranking out mass murders there.
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Manson is actually in Corcoran.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pmOn another, more relevant note…
WTF is going on w/ the GOOPers?
Is there anything that happens that DOESN’T make them wring their hands, tear up, and wet themselves?
Is this what the next 4 years is going to be like?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pmPelican Bay for Gitmo hostages awaiting prosecution or serving out sentences seems good enough. What about our own TERRORISTS that insist on torture. Pelican Bay would be good for them as well.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:26 pmPeople get thrown into prison for being Pot Smokers, but White collar criminals who ruin countless lives get of with a stern warning and maybe a few weeks at a special facility. And we don’t even bother to prosecute Torturers which is as much a crime as terrorism is.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pmLuis M Says:
I respectfully disagree. There are indeed tens of thousands of casual pot smokers and dealers locked up, but if you let them out, you’re just increasing the problems related to drug trade in our side of the border. Increased non-punishable consumption in the USA leads to increased drug traffic across the border.
You get drug users and dealers in the USA; we get drug-related killings and corruption here in Mexico.
And the answer to this problem is to legalize and tax pot. Problem solved, finis. It is a drug that is less harmful than alcohol and yet it has ruined countless lives by they hysteria of the “anti drug” community.
And then let’s get into hemp. Do you know who much growing hemp would help the agricultural industry in this country. Tobacco farmers could convert immediately to growing hemp and not have to worry about cleansing their soil to be able to grow foodstuff’s.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pmLuis M Says:
I’m not putting all of the blame on you guys, of course. But you have to admit, it’s a multi-national problem and it requires a multi-national approach.
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Which is why we need to legalize it, regulate it like tobacco and alcohol, and tax it. Tremendous source of income, plus it’d take one leg right off the drug trade beast (leaving coke and heroin… but that’s a different set of problems). It’d keep BILLIONS of dollars in this country, and it’d free up a lot of legal system resources to go after ACTUAL, SERIOUS criminals. Ya know… GOOPers.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm73. The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Like minds and all that!
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 pmjb Says:
Pelican Bay for Gitmo hostages awaiting prosecution or serving out sentences seems good enough.
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Considering they’d be under lock down 23 hrs a day…
What is w/ the wingnutters? They wet themselves at the drop of a hat these days?
Do they really think acting like terrified ninnies is going to get them back into power?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmLushInterior Says:
WOW you trying to be serious is almost as stupid and pathetic as your jokes. IF they are convicted according to OUR justice system it violates NO international law for us to punish them as per OUR justice system. Have you ever in your LIFE just for a change of pace tried having some dim conception of what you are talking about?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
On another, more relevant note…
WTF is going on w/ the GOOPers?
Is there anything that happens that DOESN’T make them wring their hands, tear up, and wet themselves?
Is this what the next 4 years is going to be like?
I don’t know but I get the feeling that any time now there’s going to be a massive nervous breakdown of Republicans. They know that they can’t fight Obama and that their days are numbered so they are all in panic mode.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Like minds and all that!
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Heh… that is pretty funny, Bilbo.
Seriously… I’d say the GOOP has been taken over by a bunch of terrified old maids, but that would be disrespectful to old maids.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:34 pmDaryll could stand to broaden his horizons a bit. Perhaps he could do the lord’s work with these detainees.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 pmEugeneDebs Says:
LushInterior Says:
Have you ever in your LIFE just for a change of pace tried having some dim conception of what you are talking about?
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No… NOT ONCE. Lushy even said that last night. He clearly stated no one should ever take anything he says here seriously. He was adamant.
I think we need to respect his wishes.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pmLushMoron Says:
So after your unsuccessful foray into a lame attempt at logic you then rever to your normal, retarded monkey act. I guess you were jonesing for more pity for your stupidity. You will never be clever. It requires higher brain function and you will NEVER be capable of it. You are stuck on pathetic ignorant troll and I for one am running short on pity for you. Like the guy who hits you up EVERDAY when you leave Starbucks for a couple of bucks because he thinks you are a soft touch you are pushing it. We KNOW you are pathetic and ignorant but its getting old feeling sorry for you since you obviously have no self respect
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pmCould Someone remind DeMint about all the howls of anguish over the closing of the Naval Base in Charleston and how they want more federal govt facilities there ? They consider it a mark of patriotism.
Or is patriotism only good when it goes your way ?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
I don’t know but I get the feeling that any time now there’s going to be a massive nervous breakdown of Republicans.
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They had complete control of the country for, what, 6 years?
They FFF-ed up every last single, solitary thing they touched. They turned out to be incredibly corrupt, inept, incompetent fools.
What is left for them? If they had ANY sense of honor, and decency, and nerve, I’d reckon seppuku…
But they don’t have any honor, decency, and especially nerve… so they’re reduced to fighting imaginary battles at this point.
The War On Christmas…
Flag burning…
Gay marriage…
Obama Flubbed the oath – GASP – Is he really the POTUS???
They’re making it way too easy to just keep laughing at them.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 pmIt seems like the latest tactic is to dredge up old failed arguments by substituting “al Qaeda” for “Communist”. All they need to do is to Google “Joseph McCarthy” and away they go.
Yawn.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 pmI think I have an easy solution of where the “guily” detainees should go. Bush’s residence and Cheney’s residence..oh yeah how could I forget…let’s throw Rumsfield in there too…
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 pmLuis M, I think the solution is for America to wake up and legalize pot. The “War on Pot” is costing a ton of money. You could say it’s socialism. Oh wait. Who controls the prisons and enforcement? Follow the money – doesn’t Cheney have a stake in prisons?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:47 pmIndoctrinate? Those hard core mofos in prison. Its going to take more then Allah, Yaweh, Jevhovah, or Jesus to convert them. But great fador for FoxNoise.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:50 pmSupposedly the Republicans were telling Obama what they wanted to do about the economy and Obama reminded them that HE had won the election. I hope he does that more often. It would help if Pelosi and Reid would remember that too.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pmImichael Says:
Indoctrinate? Those hard core mofos in prison. Its going to take more then Allah, Yaweh, Jevhovah, or Jesus to convert them.
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Especially the Aryan Nation types… can’t see them EVER converting to Islam.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pmI suppose that they could influence some number of prisoners, but wouldn’t it be just as likely that the terrorists would get shivved by some patriotic con?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 pmYeah, but how will we ever know. It’s hard to tell the difference between crazy and stupid.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pmI’d like them to be housed at Camp Pendleton. One, It would drive Bilbray, Hunter Jr., and Issa to paroxysms of wrist-slitting anxiety. Two, by the time prisoners were transferred, it would be spring, and in that stretch of coastline they’d see the most awe-inspiring array of wildflowers, that it might make them feel less isolated, and a little more human. There is also a sizeable muslim community in nearby Oceanside.
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 pmj swift Says:
I suppose that they could influence some number of prisoners, but wouldn’t it be just as likely that the terrorists would get shivved by some patriotic con?
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The Dukester? T Stevens? Jim Ney?
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 pmMore gay sex allegations for disgraced pastor:
January 23rd, 2009 at 8:59 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/ap_on_re/rel_haggard_new_allegations
What, are they afraid the al Qaeda’s might turn those corrupt Republican politicians in the federal pen into Islamo-fascists?
January 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 pmshoeless Says:
What, are they afraid the al Qaeda’s might turn those corrupt Republican politicians in the federal pen into Islamo-fascists?
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More likely they’re afraid the al Qaedas might start trading the GOOPers back and forth for packs of cigarettesand other, um, “favors”.
January 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 pmAs was said in the Graduate: “I have two words for you, “Area 57″”
In the middle of nowhere, already restricted, and maybe the martians will eat dome of the detainees!
January 23rd, 2009 at 9:12 pmSetting aside the obvious fact that we can no longer trust the government’s claim that most or all of the remaining people in Gitmo are terrorists…
Don’t the Republicans maintain that terrorists are “just crazy” and don’t have any reasons for their actions? If that’s the case, they couldn’t recruit anyone. If they don’t have reasons for what they do, then it’s not possible for them to convince anyone else to do it.
More seriously, regardless of where they are, incarcerated ex-terrorists aren’t likely to be able to reconnect to their former networks; contacts move around, and they’re not likely to be completely trusted anyway.
But just in case they were, did it never occur to us to release a few at a time and then trace where they go and who they make contact with? Apparently not. That would have provided far more reliable evidence than anything you could get through torture. Of course it’s too late for that now.
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:09 pmHow about putting them in Alaska? There are remote areas there, where they would pose no danger to locals. The facility would create jobs. It could be a consolation prize for the Bridge to Nowhere which went nowhere.
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 pmShayne Says:
Supposedly the Republicans were telling Obama what they wanted to do about the economy and Obama reminded them that HE had won the election. I hope he does that more often. It would help if Pelosi and Reid would remember that too.
I think that both Pelosi and Reid have been doing a good job at remembering. I had to feel sorry for Reid when the left started pummeling him for standing up against seating Burris, at the behest of 50 Democrats and Obama. He finally shows some spine and he is attacked for that. I think that was very unfair to Reid.
It is a sad state of affairs, though, that neither Reid nor Pelosi could find their spines until the Democrats did a clean sweep in the election. I know the reason why they didn’t impeach Bush or push investigations was because they were afraid that the Democrats would lose if they did. It’s really sad that they didn’t have a little more faith in “we the people”.
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pmWe could put them up in Sarah Palin’s lake house, since it was built with public funds.
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pmglezzery Says:
Gee, it would be nice to see ONE reasonable argument for closing GITMO instead of more boring “Hate conservatives” nonsense.
January 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I have one. Its existence and operation is unconstitutional. That, alone, is reason enough.
And if you cannot understand why that is, then you are not fit to discuss the subject.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:08 pmWhat ever happened to conservatives respect for the rule of law? Oh yeah, they ditched that when they voted for Bush.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 pmIts plain and simple glez, if you have any faith in the constitution you demand your judicial system make it clear where, how, and why people are punished.
To elaborate,
if your government cant do any of the above, and time enough has passed to isolate risk to any investigation or specific military operation, you have to begin to question the motive of ongoing detention (its patriotic). To go on, the detention center has proven to be a recruitment tool for the enemy. You give them another reason to antagonize and more reason to keep fighting whatever it is we stand for.
Unfortunately common sense does not seem to get through to you since Ive watched you do nothing but contradict for the past few days. Ive watch one intelligent arguement after another go to waste on you so I hope this helps.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:12 pmAlexLawyer Says:
How about putting them in Alaska? There are remote areas there, where they would pose no danger to locals. The facility would create jobs. It could be a consolation prize for the Bridge to Nowhere which went nowhere.
You came so close to the perfect punchline. What we do is build a prison on the island that the famous ol bridge to nowhere was leading to. I think I once read there are less than 1000 people on the island, so any of them thar extremist muslims who might come over to spring their buddies would stick out like sore thumbs.
To get Alaska to take the prison, we can build the bridge for them and it can be known as the “Bridge to Somewhere, although its still Nowhere”.
I think Sarah could be bought, I mean talked, into this.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:12 pmguzzard, do you realize that Gitmo is the only place in Cuba that isn’t off limits to the US?
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 pmWe have a place in Rugby, ND that can house these so-called “terrorists”. The North Central Regional Correctional Facility needs to make some money. Send ‘em on up.
January 23rd, 2009 at 11:58 pmglezzery Says:
We understand why you dont get it. See you have no decency. You dont even understand the CONCEPT of values and morality. America however is supposed to HAVE values. Like respecting the rule of law. Which doesnt even EXIST if a President can just tell someone I am accusing you of being a bad guy and you will never go to a fair trial we will just lock you up indefinitly. I am sure there are plenty of cowards like you that would cast our values away so you can feel better while hiding under your bed. For myself I LIKE having a country that stands for something, that does what is RIGHT not only what is convienient and whatever will make cowards feel a little better. We all understand why these very concepts dont even make sense to you. Tell me do you even REMEMBER what it was like before your soul dried up and blew away?
January 24th, 2009 at 12:53 amglezzery Says:
STUPID is bad for YOU. Got any evidence that ALL those at Gitmo were plotting to kill Americans? I mean we paid a BOUNTY for most of these guys. The last one we let go even a military tribunal laughed at what the gov called evidence. I guess you dont think we need to actually show these guys are bad. They MIGHT be bad or Bush SAYS they are bad is good enough for you. I am glad the grownups are back in power and cowards like you that would ignore this countries values so you can FEEL a little better are not longer making the decisions. Go back to cowering under mommys bed.
January 24th, 2009 at 12:59 amThe Habeas Corpus secures every man here, alien or citizen, against everything which is not law, whatever shape it may assume.” –Thomas Jefferson to A. H. Rowan, 1798. ME 10:61
“Freedom of the person under the protection of the habeas corpus I deem [one of the] essential principles of our government.” –Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address, 1801. ME 3:322
“I consider [trial by jury] as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Paine, 1789. ME 7:408, Papers 15:269
I am with Tommy Jeff here.
January 24th, 2009 at 1:13 amglezzery Says:
WOWie, nothing like solving a non-problem by closing GITMO and creating a problem already solved.
Gitmo is a problem. The fact that we’re holding people with no legal reason or due process, in violation of our own founding document (the Constitution) is a problem. The fact that we’re torturing people with stress positions, constant light, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, constant music, sensory deprivation and God-knows-what-else, in violation of our own law (ratification of the Geneva Convention) is a problem.
The evil that you do, is ultimately your problem.
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glezzery Says:
Sure, split them up, send them all over the country where they will be in MORE danger.
I strongly doubt if they’re going to end up in the U.S. for any reason. What are you suggesting, we give them Secret Service protection along with the milk and cookies? /counter-snark
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Rugby Reader Says:
We have a place in Rugby, ND that can house these so-called “terrorists”. The North Central Regional Correctional Facility needs to make some money. Send ‘em on up.
Apparently since Kathleen Sibelius is resisting allowing them into Leavenworth, it looks like ND is in the bidding for the new federal penitentiary. You can take it from Kansas. They can go back to being just a square, flat state full of absolutely nothing. If they refuse to fulfill the obligations involved in housing a federal penitentiary, then they can lose the privilege of doing so entirely.
January 24th, 2009 at 4:11 amAnd oddly, they gravitate to a site called “Think Progress” when they can do neither.
January 24th, 2009 at 8:56 amAmerican law has always been that one is innocent until proven guilty and that everyone has a right to defend themselves and to a speedy trial. Should we lose the rule of law now just because we face a difficult situation. These men or women in Gitmo, have to be assessed, because there are some there who had become prisoners of men who were given $250,000 to bring to U.S. Army Talibad men. Some of these people were just picked up and were not Talibad, but pawns so that these evil men could collect the $250,000. This is inhumane and atrocious.
As for the fact, that we are not intelligent enough or capable enough to take in men who are guilty in this country and imprison them is ludicrous. Are we incapable of housing criminals? Would they be able to escape under our jurisdiction because we do not have fool-proof prisons? Have we declined so much?
January 24th, 2009 at 8:59 amIt’s another strawman argument from the right…
January 24th, 2009 at 9:30 amHas Sirhan Sirhan or Charles Manson or Ted Kazinski indoctrinated other prisoners to their separate causes?
How about a separate wing of a prison for the 245 detainees?…. How bout we build a small prison in Crawford Texas just adjacent to Bush’s ranch?…. lot’s of open priarie after all the brush that has been cleared away… you can see an escapee for miles and miles…
And prisoners transferred to any federal facility would still be on federal property, not state property. Congressman would have no say in the matter because it isn’t their land (or that of their constituents). There are lots of open spaces in our own nation’s deserts that would be perfect for a new facility. Escape would be virtually impossible.
January 24th, 2009 at 10:19 amWildflowers for terrorists!! And a nice community where they can plot to kill more Americans!!!
WTF do you think is going on here, sensitivity training for jihadist killers!?!?!?
Drugs are BAD for you.
Exhibit a, Glaz the koolaid junkie.
There was never an assertion made, that a flipped-out right-winger can’t take out of context.
Does it hurt to be this stupid?
It looks painful.
January 24th, 2009 at 12:08 pmIf you can’t understand the danger this poses, you are a left wing crazy and the reason so many of us have been afraid to admit we’re democrats, thank you President Obama. Which faith is the fastest growing amongst inmates in America? I’m not giving you any hints. I work with a prison ministry in south Texas and I have personally witnessed conversions to islam. It is very difficult to reach black inmates when islam is the competing faith because of racial prejudices. You are unwise to believe this will not be dangerous. It already is and we haven’t introduced real passionate islamic prisoners to the mix. It isn’t a long walk from FTW to kill somebody and go to heaven.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:23 ambarfly, the only painful thing to watch is fellow democrats refusing to see what is easily understood by children.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:24 amElBruce, for a constitution guy you sure don’t know much about it.
First, it only applies to Americans. Otherwise, France would REALLY hate us.
Second, you should have read the blog, then you might undestand what we’re concerned about. Murtha wants them housed in Pennsylvania. Last time I checked, that’s the place where we actually had the constitution, you are so fond of, written. Oh, and it is in the U.S.
Third, providing the greatest example of how absurd you have become, you give us all the startling revelation that if ND fails to house the isalmic warriors correctly, why they’ll lose their prison. I guess the thought of 250 jihadist killers, loose on our soil, isn’t nearly as important to you as the prison’s federal charter.
BTW, stop with all of the breathless torture rhetoric. None of those are torture in the sense of military torture. If you sell shoes for a living, then yes, you would be tortured. If you lop off heads, blow up food markets and generally introduce death and mayhem into the world, none of those things are torture. Geneva was intended to create rules of war(snicker, sorry, it’s just rules and war, oh, never mind). If you believe the Islamists are the organized army of a nation with which we have to make peace when we win, then, by all means, talk about our need to handcuff ourselves during a war. These goofballs are not part of a standing army and, I’m told by people like you, that islam does not believe in the path of violence. So, what’s the problem with treating the poor little jihadis a little rough? Only the jihadis are affected. No one in the muslim world is going to be upset because the little jihadi’s are not REALLY islam. Besides, Geneva, what do they know about war anyway?
January 25th, 2009 at 7:45 amdrew3rd, the only one with a childish mind is you. If you can’t crawl out of the gutter and help repair the damage your types have caused this country then get the hell out of the way. You are nothing but a low-life shill.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pmdrew3rd Says:
If you cant see how depriving anyone of due process violates our values then you are a brainwashed rightwing moron without a shred of decency. Values mean nothing when they are easy, when they are convienient. ONLY when they come at a cost do you show your values because if you just toss them aside when they become inconvienient then you never had any values in the first place. I guess you never had any. This is why us lefties have been ashamed of you MORONIC rightwingers with no sense of decency. This is why we have been ashamed of you cowards who would eschew our standards so easily because you are so cowardly, so terrified of those scary turban guys. You should be ashamed of YOURSELF. You embarass real Americans, those who think we are better than that who think we are good enough to KEEP our values even if there is a risk involed. Imagine a world defined by what is RIGHT not by YOUR cowardice
January 26th, 2009 at 7:51 amdrew3rd Says:
barfly, the only painful thing to watch is fellow democrats refusing to see what is easily understood by children.
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We GET that you see things like a child. A cowardly child at that. Good thing there are grown-ups around that can see things clearly and in more than the simplistic terms that define your cowardice
January 26th, 2009 at 7:53 amdrew3rd Says:
Drew you are INCREDIBLY STUPID
ElBruce, for a constitution guy you sure don’t know much about it.
First, it only applies to Americans. Otherwise, France would REALLY hate us.
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Ah no it doesnt. IF you READ the bill of rights when it talks about how OUR GOVERNMENT treats others it says PERSONS not CITIZENS. Now the people who WROTE the constitution were not as stupid as you and they knew the difference between citizens and PERSONS. How precious of you to simultaneously show your condescension and your abject stupidity. It is so precious.
I had to make a deal with my braincells an skip the rest of your post after that bit of vintage stupidity. It was already enough to have them beggging for the sweet release of a coma
January 26th, 2009 at 7:57 amThis is toooo funny . .
People already serving time in our prisons HAVE already been convicted of a crime(s) . .
Gitmo ‘prisoners’ HAVE NOT been charged or have they been convicted of a crime(s) . .
What don’t republicans get??
January 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pm