Comments on: Risen: I May Have Been A Victim Of The NSA’s Program Spying On Journalists

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By: LiberalVoter

LiberalVoter — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:47:58 +0000

Good luck shoeless. Tracy is wired incorrectly and will never admit it is wrong. Freud could write volumes on this troll, starting with delusions of grandeur.

By: shoeless

shoeless — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:06:34 +0000

Yes I know. He is still arguing with me on an old thread as he tries to redefine the definition of “in” in an attempt to absolve George W. Bush of his lie that Saddam Hussein didn’t allow the UN inspectors “in” to search for WMD.

It looks like Tracy will have to rewrite the entire dictionary in order to defend Bush from his own lies.

By: LiberalVoter

LiberalVoter — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:26:14 +0000

shoeless, Tracy will wait until it thinks this thread has gone dormant before replying. It likes to sneak around thinking it is intelligent.

By: shoeless

shoeless — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:53:51 +0000

Tracy, tell us the definition of “limited”. Bush said his wiretaps were “limited” to those suspected of talking to al Qaeda. Now we find that his wiretaps were “limited” to the entire population of the United States.

Unless you can redefine the term “limited”, THEN BUSH LIED!

By: LiberalVoter

LiberalVoter — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:48:28 +0000

backup, johnmccarthy, would you please provide links to more ‘neutral’ sites? As an example:

(Both from 2006 but just using as an example)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0516/dailyUpdate.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0216/p01s01-uspo.html

Otherwise, I can post biased links to support the thread:

http://www.alternet.org/rights/122234/whistleblower_levels_shocking_allegations_at_bush%27s_spying_programs/

Thanks

By: johnmccarthy

johnmccarthy — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:26:48 +0000

Well, if Risen thinks he has been dissed or worse, he will have to accept the fact that HE spiked the following information from appearing in the Times….on a number of occasions. It’s not nice to hide treason in wartime!

http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id1.html
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id258.html

By: backup

backup — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:07:18 +0000

Olbermann and Risen put a lot of faith in Tice’s allegations and Olbermann insinuates that Tice was demoted due to his whistleblowing. But, Tice was asked to take a psych eval in 2003 after raising concerns about a co-worker being a Chinese spy because she traveled abroad, spoke sympathetically about the Chinese and lived beyond her means. After he wouldn’t let the allegation go, he was demoted. He didn’t bring up the wiretap whistleblowing until Dec of 2005. Two years after his reassignment to the motorpool.

After a failed psych eval and 2 years of washing the agencies cars, is Tice really the most credible source Olbermann could find to prove illegal wiretapping?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Tice

By: LiberalVoter

LiberalVoter — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:16:26 +0000

It’s a shame some trolls look for threads to spew their bullshit after most posters have moved. It must be a sad life for trolls who do this.

By: LiberalVoter

LiberalVoter — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:16:02 +0000

Once again the troll is clueless. Never honest discourse, it just spews bullshit and trys to hide it’s ignorance by wierd kind of Turing test type responses. A true product of Bush’s oxymoron “No Child Left Behind” education.

By: wiley

wiley — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:19:27 +0000

Thanks, Hanshiro. That stinks. This is an issue I haven’t watched carefully. Just did a little research. It seems that the Bush administration gave telecoms a rewrite on law, the way they did torture (thought they should have known better); and if anything is to be done the executive privilege of keeping its own dirty secrets in the interest of national security needs to be challenged.

By: DallasNE

DallasNE — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:12:34 +0000

I’m surprised that that is so little reaction to this blockbuster news item. Earlier it was disclosed by technical people that this was a possibility but this is the first time someone on the inside has confirmed what the technical people said was possible. No wonder Telecom immunity was such a big deal.

By: shoeless

shoeless — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:34:34 +0000

ucsbclassics53 Says:

IOKIYAR, eh? Tracy? Would you want the government to spy on YOU

Too late they already did.

Tracy, care to debate the definition of “limited”, or are you still trying to change the definition of “in”?

By: hanshiro

hanshiro — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:33:50 +0000

55. wiley Says: Giving immunity to telecommunications companies doesn’t let the administration off the hook.

*sigh*

Yes, it does. Legalizing what bush has done essentially extends an amnesty to his crimes. It not only makes it all but impossible to subpoena the telecoms, but since the illegal is now legal, how ginned-up will congress be to pursue these violations? It will be labeled a witch hunt since “it’s now legal, so what’s the diff?”

Here, watch Turley on Maddow’s show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxf2xq4IaY

I’d think it would make it easier to find witnesses with inside information.

And, if the telecoms are immune and the corporations issue a gag order, any evidence collected is exempt. QED.

By: wiley

wiley — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:41:08 +0000

Giving immunity to telecommunications companies doesn’t let the administration off the hook. I’d think it would make it easier to find witnesses with inside information.

By: ucsbclassics53

ucsbclassics53 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:56:52 +0000

IOKIYAR, eh? Tracy? Would you want the government to spy on YOU?

By: EugeneDebs

EugeneDebs — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:26:10 +0000

Tracy__5 Says:

#43

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Sadly you ignorant twit that is the most cogent argument you have ever made

By: ElBruce

ElBruce — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:21:41 +0000

Tracy__5 Says:

So how much is he going to get for his book deal?

He’s a writer. I imagine writing books occasionally is part of his job. I couldn’t imagine him not writing about this.

Are you trying to insinuate something? Why not just say it? Let me save you the trouble: the reason you didn’t come out and say “he (lied about)/(got himself) wiretapped just so he could write a book and get rich” because that’s so patently stupid that even you can’t bring yourself to say it.

Tracy__5 Says:

Blah….Blah….Blah.

This is the most rational comment I’ve ever seen from you. Please, keep it up.

By: curious

curious — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:08:18 +0000

Mr. Risen is a very important, brilliant writer. He is what investigative journalism used to be about. Now Woodward and Bernstein are no longer Woodward and Bernstein.

This man is one of a handful that spotlight all the things that the powerful and corrupt don’t want known. He does this without resorting to name calling and ideological bias. He investigates. He probably is wiretapped. Most of the journalists that do their job are wiretapped.

It reminds me of Nixon and the late journalist Jack Anderson. They followed him and wired him. Always hoping to find some dirt. They never did. He went right on writing his stories. Nixon went crazy trying to find out his sources and to prove them wrong. He never did. Nixon brought the whole of his resources down on Anderson. IRS included.

James Risen is an example of what happens when you do your job well.

By: Patty

Patty — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:07:20 +0000

Anyone with functioning brain cells knew to be both concerned and enraged about the breadth of this program, when the New York Times revealed its existence.

No wonder “impeachment was off the table” from the get-go. Bushcheney had the info they needed to keep every elected official quiet.

Thus, journalists typically failed to have the cooperation of truth-tellers, who feared not only for their jobs but for their lives.

This is exactly why the FORMER president told Alberto Gonzales, as the plane was arriving in Texas, “Just stay strong.”

Orange will become my favorite color as soon as these evil “leaders” are found guilty.