Obama’s Right-Wing Dinner Friends Rip His Stimulus Package: Worst Bill In ‘Galactic History’
Obama’s Right-Wing Dinner Friends Rip His Stimulus Package: Worst Bill In ‘Galactic History’
Several days before taking office, President Obama traveled to George Will’s home to dine with a handful of conservative media elites. The beltway conventional wisdom suggested that Obama’s aim was to “neutralize potential adversaries” by way of a “charm offensive.” After the dinner, Bill Kristol explained on Fox and Friends that while “no one’s mind was changed,” he would “end up supporting [Obama] on some things.” Charles Krauthammer joked about Obama’s apparent goals, “I am brainwashed entirely. I’m in the tank.”
Just one week later, Obama’s right-wing acquaintances have already shown the futility of engaging in a good-faith dialogue with them. While Obama pushes his vision for the economic recovery package — his first real battle against the conservative establishment — the dinner’s attendees are on a no-holds-barred offensive against it:
Charles Krauthammer: “Look, this is one of the worst bills in galactic history. … FDR left behind the Hoover dam and Eisenhower left behind the interstate highway system. We will leave behind, after spending $1 trillion, a dog run in East Potomac Park.” [Fox News, 1/24/09]
David Brooks: “It is an unholy marriage that manages to combine the worst of each approach — rushed short-term planning with expensive long-term fiscal impact.” [New York Times, 1/23/09]
Bill Kristol: “The stimulus has so much bad stuff in it. … They let the House Democrats get out of control in sort of writing a pork-laden bill. Politically, I think the Republicans have more room too argue for changes and ultimately vote against it.” [Fox News Sunday, 1/25/09]
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Markos Moulitsas, in what now appears to be among the most prescient of reactions to the Obama dinner, wrote, “[T]here’s no outrage or anger. What I feel is more like pity. Could you imagine wasting a perfectly good evening with that company?”
As for people who have provided — and continue to provide — informed support for Obama’s vision for economic stimulus, including Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman, all they got was “some coffee in some styrofoam cups.”
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With friends like that, who needs enemies?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pmI hope President Obama has learned a simple lesson: reaching out to rabid dogs will only get your hands ripped off.
Better to shoot the bastards and put them out of their misery – and help the nation out at the same time.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pmThis from the Three Stoogies of Right Wing World…
January 25th, 2009 at 12:23 pmlet’s hope he doesn’t bother kissin’ those pimply asses again.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:26 pmWake up Dems and Obama, the traitors to the country who only think of party first and are determined to destroy anything Dems try and do for the country. They will do anything they can to stop all legislation that helps the country because it means that they might not get elected.
Tell the Repukes to fck off and die.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:27 pmThat Obama would be so gullible and eager to please the kooky Right is proof that he is no progressive president and will only continue to pander to these two-faced jerks.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
January 25th, 2009 at 12:29 pmWow, No One Could Have Predicted™ that the right-wing pundits that Obama graciously invited to a meal and a meeting would exaggerate insignificancies of his plan in order to slam it.
Lesson learned, Mr. President. Let’s move on.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:30 pmIf your stomach is feeling strong this morning, check out this link: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTU5MjE3MmQ0NWU1Zjc1YzYyMDE1NzNmZmM2MzYxMmI=
Have your Alka-seltzer handy, though. I NEED to go to church this morning to remember what REAL Christians say and do, to be reminded of what Jesus, NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, says about dealing with enemies.
Fellow bloggers who attack Christians, would you please do only one thing? Remember that NOT all Christians subscribe to hateful vendettas and finger-pointing! Many, many of us experience daily anguish at what the hate-mongers spew under the banner of “Christianity.” They do NOT speak for those of us who believe what Jesus said about the nature of genuine love.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:30 pm00mpp00 Says:
That Obama would be so gullible and eager to please the kooky Right is proof that he is no progressive president and will only continue to pander to these two-faced jerks.
Or is it proof that he is QUITE a progressive president who has the smarts to offer the repugs additional rope with which to hang themselves?
January 25th, 2009 at 12:30 pmAnd so the push is on to use the same Fear and Smear tactics to obstruct President Obama. Republicans are insisting the majority of the stimulus goes to tax breaks for the wealthy; the same failed economic policy that help create this mess.
The wealthy are funding this, have no doubt about it. Bush’s “have-mores” are hard at work protecting their interests, and they have a vested interest in seeing the permanent repeal of the Estate Tax so they can create perpetual family dynasties and rule this country from On High, while the rest of us are driven out of house and home.
Obama reached out, and in return these people stick to the same divisive politics. I am only surprised they haven’t introduced articles of impeachment yet. After all, Obama signed Executive Orders during the time between Chief Justice Robert’s botched swearing-in and the second swearing-in. Leave it to a Bush Appointee to screw things up even after Bush is gone!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:31 pmBarak had to give it a try. He can easily say he tried to reach out to these fools, while all they can do is whine and complain. Now he can go back to reminding them who won.
Come to think about it, now he could also use some of Bush’s favored strategies, invoke the Patriot Act on them and send them all (Rush especially!) to Gitmo!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:31 pm#8 – bad link.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:32 pmIf the gang that still “catapults the propaganda” that Iraq had WMDs and posed a direct immediate threat to the US makes proclaimations like this…
THEN I MUST SUPPORT WHATEVER THEY ARE AGAINST.
This gang has not been correct on anything else. The only real question should be, “why do we still post about them like they are important?”
January 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pmWaltB Says:
Barak had to give it a try. He can easily say he tried to reach out to these fools, while all they can do is whine and complain. Now he can go back to reminding them who won.
Amen with knobs on, friend! Same for Briseadh na Faire!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pmThere is one thing these repuks are forgetting–THEY LOST!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pmThey had their chance, they FAILED, so sit down and shut up.
This is the worst partisanship that I’ve seen in my life. When George W Bush was placed into office by the Supreme Court in 2000, democrats accepted it and made every effort to work with the new President. Even though he was doing little but taking vacations and squandering the surplus handed him by Clinton, House and Senate democrats continued to work with him, vote for his programs and generally gave him the benefit of the doubt. And when times got tough, like right after 911, the Congress worked with Bush like never before, giving him whatever he asked for. After all the country was in a crisis.
Bush in exchange promised to be a “uniter”, working closely with Democrats and bringing the country together by putting aside partisan sentiment and focusing on what unites us instead of what divides us. But he did none of that. Instead he divided the country like never before, at least never before in my lifetime.
And now, after 8 years of utter division President Obama was elected, (not placed into power in a contested election) and the Republican congress has been attacking him right out of the gate. It seems the more President Obama extends his hand to try and reach across the isle and put aside partisan divisiveness the more the republicans lash out, driving partisan wedges between the congress and kicking him in the knees at every opportunity. Led by the rabid, frothing lunatic, Senator Boner, the right wing looks like an angry group of high school students who lost the class election. They do not want unity. They do not want President Obama to succeed. For all their talk for love of America, their actions show us the opposite. They might not hate America, but they clearly do not care about her. Their actions show they care only about promoting their party and hurting the democratic party, and the country and the people be damned.
Regardless of what has been said about George W Bush over the last 6 or 7 years the fact is we at least gave him a chance.
The republicans however have demonstrated they could care less about the nation, and will not give President Obama even a chance to screw something up before attempting to defeat him, and the people, at every turn.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pmObama should learn his lesson from now on..
and that is not to mingle with these Right Wing zealots.
Oabma thinks by eating with these extremists and reaching out to them he will mend fences…not at all.
Obama should simply leave these Neocons zealots alone…because the only thing these guys think and dream of is to see him fail.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:40 pmPLEASE WATCH THIS
January 25th, 2009 at 12:42 pmhttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/22/part_ii_palestinian_us_college_grad
Obama did the right thing in visiting the rightwing propagandists – he showed himself to be one who tried to elicit cooperation and understanding from his enemies. After the dinner they all offered positive reactions.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:43 pmNow, however, as their fangs have come out again, and they snipe at him and his ideas, it is they who will look like hypocrites to the thinkers in America. (Mouth-breathers are simply beyond hope.)
While it would appear futile for Obama to have attempted good will with them, I think it only makes them look small and Obama look like the adult in the room.
I give Obama perhaps another two weeks to figure out that his attempt at bi-partisanship with the Republicans is doomed to failure. The Republicans definition of bi-partisanship is “do what we tell you to do or STFU).
I don’t really want the Democrats to treat the Republicans the same way they treated us for 8 long years (shutting them out of all legislation, relegating their hearings to an unheated room in the basement). But, I do want them to let the Republicans know, on a daily basis, that there’s a new boss in town. And, when the Republicans attempt their first filibuster, I hope that the Democrats hand them the phone book and tell them to have at it.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:46 pmObama is setting an example of what he fells is the best attitude in dealing with the reptile thugs. When they do not follow his lead, and we all know they won’t,they only come out looking worse than before.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:46 pmWaynebro says:
The republicans however have demonstrated they could care less about the nation, and will not give President Obama even a chance to screw something up before attempting to defeat him, and the people, at every turn.
And the repugs are proving this is so every day.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:46 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
This is the worst partisanship that I’ve seen in my life. When George W Bush was placed into office by the Supreme Court in 2000, democrats accepted it and made every effort to work with the new President. Even though he was doing little but taking vacations….
I was shocked to learn on Countdown the other night that Bush spent 1/3 of his time as President on vacation. I knew it was bad, but had no idea how bad it was.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI agree with you Marie. No one can say he didn’t try. This goes back to what I wrote on another post about Cantor and his ilk after Obama met with the House Leadership.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:49 pmEach time he has tried to reach across the void to work with the GOP they have slapped his hand away. What he said to Cantor suggests that they won’t be getting anymore of that from him. And that goes for the “Blue Dog” Democrats as well. Get with the program or get left behind or runover.
I’m with you, telestai2.
Obama’s no idiot. He had to have known that right-wing blowhards were not going to change their stripes. And he saw the message it sent to the nation when Bush met regularly and exclusively with that bunch, excluding anyone to the left of Brit Hume.
Obama knows that America wants the parties to work together, and he’s giving the Right the opportunity, knowing full well they’ll reject it, further marginalizing themselves and their movement.
January 25th, 2009 at 12:52 pmGosh, everything was going so swimmingly with Shrub & Co it the helm. Why, oh, why did we ever let sanity get in the way.
Barack, please, kick their scrawny ass down the street!
January 25th, 2009 at 12:52 pmjust got back here…
this reminds me that stephanoupolis tried to pull the “but they don’t pay any taxes” line on nancy this morning… she shot back that they do, they have payroll taxes… …
the dems really need to go on the offensive here…
get out the plan AND the fact that repugs not only do NOT want to cooperate, they want to OBSTRUCT any progress for the people.
the other day, ed schultz was doing his show from CAP so he gave some shout outs to and about ThinkProgress and CAP… it sounded so weird, so exciting, to hear about it on the radio…
but then i realized that i was part of the choir…
somehow, brian williams (my mom loves him) etal has to put TP etal out there for the people to know about…
shyea, right…
January 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pmBHB #@# SAYS: I was shocked to learn on Countdown the other night that Bush spent 1/3 of his time as President on vacation. I knew it was bad, but had no idea how bad it was
Thank God he was gone so much–look what the little turd monkey did while he was there
Now they are saying that McDepends won’t support it–throw them back under the bus and let them thump around a few times. Their time has gone and we need new ideas, not the same crap we’ve been getting for the last eight years because obviously they can’t do anything without screwing it royally up.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:08 pmi don’t remember that george will had anything THAT negative to say this morning about obama’s plan, but i know paul krugman had some trouble getting a word in edgewise at the roundtable…
and cokey seemed to not be able to get far enough away from him…
it seemed to pain her once when she nodded her head in agreement too…
he did stand up to fiorinna though… it got cut short, unfortunately…
January 25th, 2009 at 1:11 pmAnd don’t forget the 109th Congress, which worked from late Tuesday morning till around noon on Thursday.
Apparently, conservatism means not working very hard, at least where government work is concerned.
Have You Told a Republican He’s a Screw-Up Today?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIFIvFarghs
Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
I have learned from the Republicans that the value of the dollar is complete fiction. So all their weird theories about spending are pure politics.
One of their theories is, deficits don’t matter. You really believe that?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pmLet’s start playing hard with those as*holes!
January 25th, 2009 at 1:19 pmFirst take Krauthummers wheelchair away, and let him crawl around forever!
Make Brock work as the towelboy in gay bathhouse, never to leave!
Kristol should be put in a round cage with Malkin, both of them butt-naked and roll them from one Repug meeting to the next one!
So let me get this straight. The last time we handed out a hundred kajillion dollars with no restrictions so banks that dont deserve it can continue to squander in their colossal circle jerk, there wasnt any rabid outcry. But this time we want to put local people to work, rebuilding things that are sinking into the ground, expanding infmormation access, and working from the ground up instead, but now we suddenly have a conscious about spending.
What a country.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pmBut we haven’t heard a word from you for 8 long years while your preachers preached politics from their pulpits……
you are complicit.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pmI swear sometimes people just don’t understand politics. OF COURSE the right wing gas bags are trashing Obama’s plan. That was going to happen with or without the dinner. The dinner wasn’t for THEM, it was for US. Well not really us who read think progress but for the people. If you don’t believe me look up the poll numbers on infrastructure spending. The country is decidedly behind infrsastructure spending as economic stimulus now. Do you thinnk that is a coincidence? And lest we forget, many of those who Obama met with on the center and the left the next day ALSO have criticized the bill. You won’t find just about anybody satified with the bill right now but it follows the principles President Obama laid out during the campaign season. Maybe yall didn’t notice but Obama has already rejected the Republicans more than once about their wingnut ideas about the stimulus plan. He isn’t stupid and he isn’t trying to appease them. He is playing the game and playing it pretty damn well when you look at the numbers.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:26 pmflagged
January 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pme_to_the_p Says:
So let me get this straight. The last time we handed out a hundred kajillion dollars with no restrictions so banks that dont deserve it can continue to squander in their colossal circle jerk, there wasnt any rabid outcry. But this time we want to put local people to work, rebuilding things that are sinking into the ground, expanding infmormation access, and working from the ground up instead, but now we suddenly have a conscious about spending.
All I will say is AMEN! Well said.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pmI too, hope President Obama learned his lesson. This is war and the right wing doesn’t back down from their ideology regardless the the economic situation or who is president.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:31 pmCan we lock up Krauthammer, Brooks and Kristol in the dog run? That would make it all worth it.
Or maybe we could make them useful and give them a job cleaning the dog run.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pmInstead of Brock being the towel boy, he should be made the “Lube Boy!”
January 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pmwindsor where was your outrage when bush did it? You are irrelivant now….this is your only oulet for your sad whining.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pmwindsore, why aren’t you apologizing for the damage your party has done to our country instead of implying that you now, suddenly, miraculously, have answers?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pmWhy is there any focus on the menu? Mr. Obama is making a concerted effort to appeal to all Americans and went so far as to personally address the Republican spokespeople. He has their input, commentary from leading economists, as well as economic statistics (see today’s NYT)from presidential periods. I hope that the president will not lean too far in appeasing the Repubs – they would not if they had won the 2008 election.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:40 pmHey, these clowns thought the cheney/bush mis-administration was wonderful. It is not a surprise that they wouldn’t find anything of value in ANY Democrat proposal. They clowns are Repubs who attempt to pass themselves off as having something of valuable to share. Thanks, but no thanks!
January 25th, 2009 at 1:46 pmJohn Amato has a well written essay up on this at Crooks and Liars this morning- Here’s the money quote-
Please heed my warning. They want you to FAIL. Rush Limbaugh speaks for them. Bill O’Reilly speaks for them. Sean Hannity speaks for them. They want you to fail. Through your failure can they only hope to make their case to the American people.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/obama-please-stop-appeasing-republicans
January 25th, 2009 at 1:48 pmJohn McCain, the one from “our economy is strong” days, now say that he’ll vote against the plan. None of them will admit that they destroyed the economy, and that’s just one reason they lost.
January 25th, 2009 at 1:48 pmMaybe now Obama will understand that there’s no way to work with these people. He won a very big mandate. He should use it, and he must put these idiots in their place, or else this will just get worse over the next few years.
winsore at #33
Do you still play with your private parts out of curiosity?
January 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pmConservative Temporo-Astronauts Report:
Worst Bill In ‘Galactic History’
A flight-crew of still-missing columnists, returning from a recent dinner party at The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe, reported spotting the proposed bill, orbiting a red dwarf in the Crab Nebula. On closer inspection, they were able to detail it’s general outline, but due to its high emissions of x-rays, could not gauge the bill’s true size, or density. After transmission, all further communications with the craft ceased, and it has been speculated by experts that the ship sustained engine damage, drifted too near the black-hole of Bush war spending, and were overcome by its immense gravitational pull.
Crewman Charles Krauthammer’s last recorded words, were, “George, get your goddamned hand off my wheelchair brake!“
January 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pmWaltB Says:
Barak had to give it a try. He can easily say he tried to reach out to these fools, while all they can do is whine and complain. Now he can go back to reminding them who won.
Several commenters hit on this correctly. Think ahead 24 months. If the current admin tries to be bipartisan and tries to reach out, but the other party continually obstructs, what will be their argument for the mid-term campaign? Some republicans already see this but many do not. The outcome of policy debates in the next 24 months will not be influenced by Republicans, unless they think they can threaten filibuster on every issue and get away with it with the American people. Barack will continue this effort as it is the smart thing to do. Talk to them. Seen to be trying to listen, and then instead do what is right. Again and again. Get used to it. That is his way.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pmWindsor:
January 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pmAny thoughts on christian scum, jewish scum, or any other scum?
Yeah, they SAY it is the worst bill in galactic history. But that hasn’t been proven yet. What has, however, is that these idiots are the worst prognosticators in galactic history.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pmwindsor, so why are you outraged now. Sit down and shut up and enjoy the ride…
You disparage credible people by using homophobic rhetoric, yet you obviously support people who don’t know what they are doing.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pmAnd what has the trillions pumped into the global banking system created?
Nada.
The 350 billion to investment banks and AIG?
Nada.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pmCharles Krauthammer–David Brooks–Bill Kristol
Beware of those who let their collective alligator mouth over their collective hummingbird ass.
In the words of our Presibent: “I won.”
Get lost fools!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmFOX News won’t be satisfied until Obama promises to send $5 trillion in foreign aid for 2009 to Israel.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmI cannot help but wonder how much windsor the troll gets paid to continually try to derail threads. Loser.
Kristol:
“Politically, I think the Republicans have more room too (sic) argue for changes and ultimately vote against it.”
So is that their plan? Obstruct, argue (delay) and then vote no. Well that kind of takes the element of suprise away! Oh wait, that’s what we knew they’d do.
Other than tax cuts across the board I haven’t heard of any suggestions from the righties on what to do.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmDoes this really surprise anyone?
At least the new President can say “I tried to reach out, they said no.”.
He did tell the GOP that “I won” the election, which he did quite resoundingly.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pmRe #58
My Bad. Bush was the Presi-bent over for Cheney and Limpballs.
Obama is our President!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pmBush is gone. Lets leave him gone and focus our efforts on what our NEW President will do to help us rebuild our economy. Democrats have been in control of both houses of Congress for two years and have sat on their hands and watched the economy go down the tubes and did NOTHING! Now we will see how it changes with both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue FINALLY!!!!!
The only way to revive this economy is not to give money to people who pay no taxes. Give Americans more money in their pockets and they will spend which will create demand which will in turn create jobs. By creating public works jobs like bridges and schools we will create jobs. However, when those projects are over the jobs will be over. FDR lowered unemployment with his New Deal projects but in 1938 unemployment was back up around 20% when those jobs were gone.
We need to let these large corporations go under that have had their hand out to solve problems THEY created through greed and stupid decision making. Imagine if Obama asked each American to contribute $30 toward creating an economic solution like he did for the Inauguration. We could solve several economic problems in our country based on how Americans like myself dug deep and gave to Obama.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pmpersonally, i think having these assclowns to dinner was a wise political move on the part of obama. you think he didn’t know they were vipers?
these tools are being used to obama to prove right wing repukelicans don’t care about americans and are nothing more than partisan hacks.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pmYou obviously don’t know the record for that congressional period. It was quite sucessful for Democratic agenda’s despite a very narrow majority and the veto pen.
economic policies were controled by bush, not congress.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pmI am a little curious about BO’s comment to Eric Cantor of Virginia yesterday regarding giving increased benefits to low income Americans. I busted my ass and borrowed $80k in student loans to complete my BA and an MBA and my current Master of Educational Administration degree to make a better life for myself, why can’t I get a little relief to help me pay off my loans. I teach and as such I will not be getting rich because I have a passion for educating our children who will be the ones to make policy decisions when I am 75 years old. The best solution for low income Americans is to offer them scholarships to go to college to get a degree that will give them a much larger salary than they have now rather than giving them free money with no strings attached like Bush and the democratic Congress did with the car companies.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pmFred can you provide me with proof whereof you speak ? The stock market is down 30% in the last year alone. What did they do?
January 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pmHey Fred,
January 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pmCongress controls the purse strings NOT the President. he can only sign or veto what CONGRESS sends him. He can not create and pass his own economic stimulus package.
What these three ‘amigos’ represent is exclusionary socialism.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:35 pmObama is working in more of a Bipartisan fashion in the few short days that he has been in office more than anyone in Congress or the previous three Presidencies. I really love the use of technology by this administration so we can hold him accountable for his more than 500 promises he made on the campaign trail. For the first time since FDR, BO has the chance to truly change to the way Washington works like no President before him.
We need to ditch all the Bush hate. He is gone, done, stick a fork in him. We need to move on. We have the administration we want now let’s get them to do what we want them to do or we threaten to vote them into unemployment.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pmmbagrad02 Says:
read my post again and do your own research and quit painting with a broad brush.
just because you and I struggled for our education is no reason to think that it has to be that way. A true educator would understand this simple concept. No one is talking about free money except you.
I have reason from your posts to believe that you are not really a progressive.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pmRecent Opinion Dynamics poll showed that 52% said the PRIVATE sector spending and investment while only 19% felt that the government should spend more. 58% fully support President Obama and 77% are optimistic about this new President. I will not be like some people in 2001 and plaster “He is not my President” stickers on my car. President Obama is my President. He is classy, tech savvy, a family man, intelligent and articulate. Lets work for the change we need!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThat I was shocked too is putting it mildly. The numbers are staggering. According to a CBS News report as of March 11th 2008, George W Bush had taken a whopping EIGHT HUNDRED and SEVENTY NINE vacation days. 879.
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Thats TWO AND A HALF YEARS!
On VACATION!
And that was just as of March of last year!
Who can excuse that? What excuse could there be? Katrina, two wars, terrorism, global economic meltdown….and the man takes 2 and a half YEARS of vacation????
:|
Who gets away with that?
Of course, I guess in retrospect maybe the vacations are the reason we survived his presidency. After all look how bad he screwed things up when he did come to work.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pmFred,
January 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pmAfter this last administration being a Progressive is the only way to go because nothing else worked. Giving a tax credit to low income workers who pay no taxes while giving no tax credit to those who actually pay taxes if free money. I have researched this Congress and the only meaningful legislation came at the end of the Bush Presidency when the Big Three were on the brink of destruction and AIG was spending $400,000 of OUR money on spa treatments.
Bozo – I think you are right . . . Obama INVITED them and EXPECTED them to wipe their asses on the napkins and respond as they did . . . it was a showcase of WHY America needs to remove EVERY “Republiclown” from ANY office requiring a business card . . .
January 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pmYour right wing underwear is showing…….we will never forget. Have people forgotten what hoover did? No!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:47 pmGee, how surprising. Usually Republicans are placated by raw meat and alcohol.
Assclowns of the Year #75:Diamond Jubilee/Inauguration Edition is now up, and this one is a doozy. Far from the weekly list of the top 10 assclowns of the week, this is a year-end retrospective of 50 of the biggest assclowns of 2008. A must-read.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pmWayneBro how many of those days were spent in Crawford with foreign leaders and staff working on the so called war on terrorism? We need to be fair and look at both sides of a story and CBS isnt exactly the pillar of fair reporting. AKA Dan Rather!!!
January 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pmInauguration Crowd Count: If there was at least 2,365,000 sq ft of spectators, there must have been…
January 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pmMost people could not tell you which President Hoover was let alone how he ignored the looming depression. Carter screwed up too but Conservatives did not dwell on hate. They moved one and worked on their agenda regardless of whether it was the right or wrong one.
You don’t hear people spewing hate for Clinton and his tryst in the oval office. Look, the only way to pull both sides of the electorate together (remember Obama only won by 52%m hardly a landslide like Reagan had over Carter) is to put the past where it belongs. The Bush administration screwed up our economy and never held the financial markets’ feet to the fire and now we have to fix it. However, we do not need the government taking over private companies. We need to let companies with failed decision makers go under and let honest companies take their place.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pmConsumerism is D-E-D dead.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pmFred,
January 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pmRemember, Democrats were the ones burning churches and segregating people of color while Republicans worked for equality in the 1950’s. Abraham Lincoln, whom Obama counts as a strong influence in his life, was himself the progenitor of the modern GOP.
First of all this “story” doesn’t rely on Dan Rather. That is the official tally. They are numbers, something I realize makes most republicans heads hurt, but numbers are precise.
Secondly, Bush was known for not putting in long hours when he was at work, and we all saw the video of Bush and his brother “pretending” to look at papers when his vacation record was challenged early on in 2003. And we all saw him say right after launching the Iraq war how he wanted to get the terrorists and then proceeded to play golf.
And regardless, his jobs was in the White House, not in Crawdad Texas. And considering he seldom put in more than a few hours of actual work when he was at the White House, making claims that he was “working” on his ranch is just more Bush apologetic nonsense.
The man started two wars, then went on vacation.
You may find peace in your soul defending such appalling irresponsibility and apathy, but the rest of the world I assure you, will not.
The man got put into office by the Supreme Court, then proceeded to take TWO AND A HALF YEARS of VACATION.
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Great work if you can get it.
January 25th, 2009 at 2:57 pmXisithrus
January 25th, 2009 at 2:59 pmAre you saying we should get rid of capitalism because consumerism is dead?
“how many of those days were spent in Crawford with foreign leaders and staff working on the so called war on terrorism?”
hmmm, mbrag . . . from the spectacular results, we can assume the “dipomatin’n’staffin’ time” was better spent riding bikes and eatin’ BBQ . . . sound like a little revisionism hopin’ going on.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pmConservatives did not dwell on hate.
Many, such as Coulter, demonize others which is a form of extreme bias and they dwell on it constantly.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pmI believe Obama won in November by 7% == 53% to 46%.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pmXisithrus
Are you saying we should get rid of capitalism because consumerism is dead?
Capitalism is choking itself do death with low wages, offshoring jobs, and greed.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:01 pmWaynebro,
It is in the White House record that Bush worked long hours every day. I am not defending what he did jut that you are only looking at the story for what you want to know rather than looking at all sides. He was not on vacation for all 879 days. In Crawford he entertained Putin, Blair, Saudi Princes, etc. Check the record. CBS never checked the sources of Dan Rather’s stories because they liked to bash Bush and when evidence of Rather’s lies were exposed they had to fire him.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pmPeople, Obama DID NOT invite them to dinner. THEY invited HIM. If he had turned them down they would have said he was afraid of them or that he didn’t want to even hear what they had to say. He did invite the progressive journalist for coffee because he was not in the White House yet.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pmThat’s because when President Clinton left office, he handed Bush a strong economy, an America loved by the majority of the world and a 1.7 TRILLION dollar surplus to spend.
Bush took all that, and turned it into nothing. He divided the surplus up and handed it out in tiny insignificant amounts until it was all gone. He turned the love and support of most of the world into fear, loathing and hatred, divided the country up into partisan factions, cost the death of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, and generally turned us into Nazi Germany “lite”.
But Bush was right about one thing. There is much about his Presidency that will only come out with time. We’ve only scratched the surface of the damage Bush did, and school children for decades to come will learn about the evil deeds done in the dark by Mr Bush, and his henchman Mr Cheney.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:05 pmIn Crawford he entertained Putin, Blair, Saudi Princes, etc
So what did he accomplish if the price of oil skyrocketed? What did Blair do for the people of the US? What did meeting with Putin accomplish?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:05 pmrepublicans hate facts
LBJ was one of the biggest racists to ever hit the White House. Just ask residents of Johnson County Texas. He hid it well. He made millions off of the Vietnam war because Lady Bird owned stock in Kellogg Brown and Root who made trhe air strips and owned the planes that carried dead soldiers back to the US
January 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm“but Conservatives did not dwell on hate.”
are you for real?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Fred,
Remember, Democrats were the ones burning churches and segregating people of color while Republicans worked for equality in the 1950’s. Abraham Lincoln, whom Obama counts as a strong influence in his life, was himself the progenitor of the modern GOP.
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I doubt Lincoln would even be able to recognize today’s GOOP, let alone want to be identified w/ it.
Ever hear of “The Southern Strategy”???
January 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pmrepublican hates facts
January 25th, 2009 at 3:07 pmHow do they pay in more taxes when they are drinking from the WELFARE tit every chance they get and have been for generations can you say EARNED INCOME CREDIT!!!!!!! you probably can’t even explain why they get it.
mbagrad02 Says I’m a conservative troll in progressive clothing.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pmCapitalism, as it is today, is its own worse enemy. And as Hyman Minsky pointed out it ends in Ponzi schemes. Madoff is a prime example. Bailing out the investment banks is like bailing out Madoff.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pmThe only fair tax is a 10% flat tax with NO loopholes. Because every one will pay the same percentage of their income in taxes and the IRS will be whittled down to nothing saving the government a fortune.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pmYou’re right. He took more than that.
That figure is only as of March 11th 2008.
He’s taken vacation days since.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pmTP’s Ryan Powers writes:
This is a small thing, and I may be missing the point Mr. Powers is trying to make with this closing paragraph, but wasn’t the dinner an invite extended TO Pres. Obama and given on George Will’s dime? And wasn’t the coffee sit-down an invite extended BY Pres. Obama and given on the US taxpayers’ dime? I don’t see the short shrift Mr. Powers seems to be trying to attribute to Pres. Obama’s meet with the progressive voices.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pmmbagrad02 Says:
LBJ was one of the biggest racists to ever hit the White House.
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LBJ was roundly criticized in his day for some of what he did.
BTW, just how far back do you intend to go? Johnson was 40 years ago. Lincoln’s been dead for 150 years. Hoping we’ll all forget what a complete F-in’ disaster the Botch years were?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThose are the most complimentary things we could think of to call a scum sucking racist pig like you. And you didn’t appreciate our graciousness. We’ll stop trying to be nice then.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pmJess I never said it was efficient time spent just trying to look at both sides of the story. Bush is one of the most ineffective presidents we have ever had. His approval ratings prove it and the unemployments lines do too!
January 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pmIn fact, when the truth starts being articulated openly in this country about what Bush and his pal Cheney did in there for the last 8 years, I suspect Bush might be getting a long, long vacation. Courtesy of the Department of Justice.
And I hear they even let such “vacationers” pull weeds.
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He’ll be in heaven.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pmShayne Says:
mbagrad02 Says I’m a conservative troll in progressive clothing.
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Psshaw… yer a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pmYou’re just a run of the mill liar. You keep trying to re-write history though, good luck with it since you didn’t win.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pmtime to school mbagrad02
January 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pmhistorically, once the civil rights act was passed there was a huge shift in the south among the population from democrat to republican. all those nice southern racists felt the democratic party sold them out. they found open arms in the republican party though, if that’s any consolation to you.
Yes republican HALLIBURTON the same ones that Bush and Cheney sold out to. LBJ had to sign the Civil Rights bill. He would never have been elected.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
They found open arms in the republican party though, if that’s any consolation to you.
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Right…
It was called “the southern strategy,” started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue — on matters such as desegregation and busing — to appeal to white southern voters.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pmFunny, but just a lie.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pmThe only fair tax is a 10% flat tax with NO loopholes. Because every one will pay the same percentage of their income in taxes and the IRS will be whittled down to nothing saving the government a fortune. -=Mbagrad02=-
I would agree with that except it would have to be around 23% to keep things running
January 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pmJ.Davis Says:
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this one kinda amazes me.
What’s next? Wiil someone show demanding we re-fight The Battle of Hastings?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:16 pmYou’re right, that’s because I’m just too nice. (See #114 above.)
January 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm“LBJ had to sign the Civil Rights bill. He would never have been elected.”
not to confuse you with historical facts, mbagrad02 but, johneson signed the bill after kennedy was assasinated and he took over the office of president. that was in 65, the next election was three years later.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pm“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party”.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pmJ.Davis is still whining because he doesn’t get to keep slaves. Like he can’t sweep out that trailer himself.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pmDon’t lump me in as a Bush Kool aid drinker. You are right that Medicare and Social Security is not welfare. However, when generations of women are on the government doll because there is no incentive to get off of it. Section 8 housing and Medicaid are welfare programs for people too lazy to work and get a job. My mom raised two boys on $14000 in social security benefits that my dad paid into as a dairy farm and sawmill owner after he was murdered. She paid for our own medical insurance and paid for her own house. She NEVER took medicaid or foodstamps and somehow made it on $14k a year in the 70’s and 80’s.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pmI have morals and values and I am not defending this administration. I have been fed up with the crap they have pulled. As an Educator NCLB is my biggest gripe. Look, I worked in the investment industry for 12 years and the retail industry for 3 years and gave up $40,000 in annual salary to go teach and make a positive impact to our culture. So don’t tell me what my morals or values are. What morals do you have when you kill a baby by smashing his skull in with a needle and sucking his brains out so his mother won’t be incovenienced by another oops pregnancy
January 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pmXisithrus
10% without loopholes would encourage investing and create jobs without having to jack it up to 23%.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pmmbagrad02, yuou must be tons of fun during “story time” do you tell your students the story of,
“you kill a baby by smashing his skull in with a needle and sucking his brains out so his mother won’t be incovenienced by another oops pregnancy”
you must be a big hit with the PTO
January 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pmmbagrad02 Says:
You are right that Medicare and Social Security is not welfare.
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Actually, if there’s a Federal program that’s going to truly bankrupt us all in its current form, it’s prolly Medicare. ‘Course, we can all thank Reagan for deregulating the healthcare industry and turning it into a “for profit” one. Boy, that sure has worked out well… for medical insurance execs!
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However, when generations of women are on the government doll because there is no incentive to get off of it.
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Any women present care to address this little gem?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pmInteresting… that’s exactly how a “Bush Kool aid drinker” might describe the issue…
January 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHmm… that’s another comment that sounds exactly how a “Bush Kool aid drinker” might describe the issue…
Curiouser and curiouser…
January 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pmRightiO, the old “people on welfare to get rich scam”
Everyone wants the same things fool. Unemployment under JFK was 1% and you can’t blame single women with children for using welfare to assure life and medical for their children when the alternative is a below poverty line minimum wage job that will assure that her children will go hungry and without medical care….
you are a fool.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pmJ.Davis Says:
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Dude… you’re a laughingstock. You’ll never get anywhere, other than Southern comedy clubs, w/ this material. Give it up. It’s just too silly.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pmmbagrad02 Says:
The only fair tax is a 10% flat tax with NO loopholes. Because every one will pay the same percentage of their income in taxes and the IRS will be whittled down to nothing saving the government a fortune.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
mbagrad02 Says:
…My mom raised two boys on $14000 in social security benefits that my dad paid into as a dairy farm and sawmill owner after he was murdered. She paid for our own medical insurance and paid for her own house. She NEVER took medicaid or foodstamps and somehow made it on $14k a year in the 70’s and 80’s.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
First, well done Mom — she did what she was supposed to do.
Second, I bet your mama would have been thrilled to pay 10% of that $14K in taxes. No loopholes, right?
Third, I live on less than $14K a year NOW. Woo hoo. Give me a f ucking medal.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pmThumbs down.
These people have no standing, having been part of the problem Obama has to clean up after. We tried the tax rebates last year and got little bang for the buck. Frankly, the payroll tax cut provision is a fig leaf for Republicans that I would replace with income tax cuts for the broad middle class. But tax cuts will not be good job generators so direct spending on things like intrastructure needs to be front and center. Defunding the F-22 fighter would free up spending for worthwhile projects too.
Lastly, these people are just common scolds as they offer no solutions of their own. We need to just tune them out.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pmWas the Dollar Store having a two-for-one sale on Concern Trolls today?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:30 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
What morals do you have when you kill a baby by smashing his skull in with a needle and sucking his brains out so his mother won’t be incovenienced by another oops pregnancy
Hmm… that’s another comment that sounds exactly how a “Bush Kool aid drinker” might describe the issue…
Curiouser and curiouser…
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Nice one… so that ugly, dishonest statement somehow allows this twit to attack ALL of us. Talk about pointless… and nasty.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:30 pmI guess the Vegan Slave and Food Act of Betelgeuse IV in the Imperial Cycle 22471 just couldn’t hold up to this Stimulus Act of His Lord’s year 2009 on Sol III, now can it? :-D
January 25th, 2009 at 3:31 pmYou took the words off my fingertips, ralph.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:32 pm**eyes rolling**
J.Davis Says:
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BUT… here you are… demanding we revisit the Civil War…
And to what end?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:32 pmLook,
I was not a teacher when Bush was approved by the Supreme Court in 2000 to become President. In January of 2006 I entered the world of education and my eyes have become considerably more open. I was a Rushie in 1993 and as I have progressed through my life through college and grad school I have become less and less hard right and more of a centrist. Regardless of the past we have a chance to make history and change the future.
Republicans hate facts, isnt calling someone a cracker a racist slur? Hmmmmmmmm Hypocryte?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pmmbagrad02 Says:
What morals do you have when you kill a baby by smashing his skull in with a needle and sucking his brains out so his mother won’t be incovenienced by another oops pregnancy
First, it’s spelled “inconvenienced.” As an educator, I think you’ll appreciate the heads up.
Second, you’ve got nothing, so you play the partial birth abortion card. Weak. VERY weak.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:36 pmj.davis, it’s only slander if it ain’t true.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:37 pmREPUBLICANANS HATE FACTS,
MY DAD PAID FOR EVERY DIME OF THOSE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS AS A SELF EMPLOYED OWNER OF TWO BUSINESSES!!!! HARDLY A HANDOUT!!!!!!!! MY MOTHER WORKED IN A FACTORY TO HELP MAKE ENDS MEET SO SHE WOULD NOT NEED TO TAKE A HANDOUT.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:38 pmmbagrad02,
“You don’t hear people spewing hate for Clinton and his tryst in the oval office”
You’ve got to be kidding, right? Clinton’s sex life is brought up constantly, daily, unrelentingly. Your thinly veiled right wing concern is about as authentic as your claim to a master’s degree. I’ve reread your posts just to be sure, and I can tell you this: I know people with master’ degrees, some of my friends have master’s degrees, and you’re no genius, that’s for certain.
Here’s a hint to help you out: mangled syntax, run-on sentences and “sentences” without verbs are a dead giveaway.
Thanks for playing, though.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pmmbagrad02 Says:
MY DAD PAID FOR EVERY DIME OF THOSE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS AS A SELF EMPLOYED OWNER OF TWO BUSINESSES!!!! HARDLY A HANDOUT!!!!!!!! MY MOTHER WORKED IN A FACTORY TO HELP MAKE ENDS MEET SO SHE WOULD NOT NEED TO TAKE A HANDOUT.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I understand your need to feel like you’re better than other poor families. *shrug*
January 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pmI can’t blame kids for lazy parents who make dumb mistakes. This is where I agree that our government has to take care of the kids whose parents can’t or wont by giving medicaid and foodstamps.
I agree that abortion should be legal but not supported with federal funds. It is a woman’s choice. Partial birth abortions are simply wrong however.
I am trying to shed my conservative shell and move to the left of center and all anybody can do in this blog is show me how much hatred exists on the left.
Help me to see the logic of this administrations policies and the error of the last administration’s policies. I have already said that Bush screwed up and time will only tell what will happen to him. I have not been privy to White House records as others on here claim to know about.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pmGive me a break. The red states are full of white women collecting “disability” Social Security and Medicare. And there’s not a damn thing wrong with them except they’re too lazy to get a job or too stupid to move where the jobs are. You complain about welfare mothers not getting jobs while your mother stayed home and raised you. Nothing would have stopped her from getting a job except she would have lost her Social Security benefits, idiot.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:43 pmJ.Davis what are you proposing? a grudge match so the north can kick yer arses again? c’mon
January 25th, 2009 at 3:43 pmSHAYNE,
Read below before you chastise my mom
MY DAD PAID FOR EVERY DIME OF THOSE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS AS A SELF EMPLOYED OWNER OF TWO BUSINESSES!!!! HARDLY A HANDOUT!!!!!!!! MY MOTHER WORKED IN A FACTORY TO HELP MAKE ENDS MEET SO SHE WOULD NOT NEED TO TAKE A HANDOUT.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:43 pmmbagrad02, may i suggest you visit freeper land if you want to see some real venom?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:44 pmWe have read it. That’s how we know from your post that you have not read it. You seem to have a penchant for making up shit to fit your need…..kinda like my 5 year old granddaughter….
January 25th, 2009 at 3:45 pmWorst bill in galactic history?
Wouln’t that be the
COMMODITY FUTURES MODERNIZATION ACT ?????
January 25th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThat will cover it? Are you nucking futz? Are you going to get rid of payroll taxes and sales taxes, gasoline taxes and road taxes? You know, all those taxes that burden low income people more than the wealthy?
January 25th, 2009 at 3:46 pmX, I was talking to the 10% guy not you.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:47 pmAh. The thread has been trollified. Nice.
Well, Obvious Troll is Obvious, as they say on 4Chan.
But there’s this funny thing. You see, for the next four years, trolling progressive blogs is all these clowns have. And if their masters do not learn the lessons of The Year of Our Lord 2008 on this here ball of dirt known as Sol III, or Earth as its primitive but self-important inhabitants refer to it, then they’ll be spending time ranting here on this blog for many years afterwards.
After all. Not even the Treaty of Algernon, which required the total and utter annihilation of all the space assets of the Tilmuk at the hands of the Great Galactic Empire of Sirius and the subsequent detonation of a Nova Bomb in the Tilmuk Primary Star by religious extremists of the afore mentioned Sirius Empire can compare to the stimulus bill proposed by an insignificant human commanding a puny sub-planetary nation on an insignificant ball of rock orbiting an unremarkable star in a backwards portion of the Galaxy. :)
January 25th, 2009 at 3:47 pmJ.Davis Says:
“And to what end?” To end the slanderous attacks on my family, State and region.
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OMG… he’s going to challenge me to a duel next.
You left your religion out of that list, BTW. Not to mention your mother’s honor.
Hee hee hee…
January 25th, 2009 at 3:48 pmZooey,
I don’t feel better than poor families. I grew up poor but my mom had a work ethic and my grandfather and uncle were examples of men who were not alcoholics or drug users or lazy bums.
I have worked hard in my life to get to where I am. I worked and served in the Army and earned money to pay for college and risked my life for the people of Panama in 1989.
My wife was the product of woman who was raped at a college party and decided to have her baby and raise her on her own.
I am saying that people can WORK their way out of poverty. My wife did it and I did it and millions of other Americans have done it.
I feel for the kids of these parents because they don’t know of any other life.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:49 pmglezzery Says:
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“Here’s a hint to help you out: mangled syntax, run-on sentences and “sentences” without verbs are a dead giveaway.
Thanks for playing, though.”
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! LMAO
Check it out. A dead giveaway of WHAT!?!?!
Nice construction.
Thanks for playing ,though. lolololol
January 25th, 2009 at 3:49 pm———–
I’m not sure there’s a rational point contained in your comment, but let me give you the benefit of the doubt. You’re no genius, either.
right because we all know firing on ft sumpter wasn’t a declaration of war. and if we “just leave you alone” will you stop sucking off the federal tit.
afterall, southern states receive more in federal funding than they pay in whereas the new england states put in more than they get back. i agree, it’s about time the south got off the federal dole.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:50 pmJ.Davis, go put on your rebel suit and get your johnny reb flag and go stand on a street corner, preferably in the south somewhere and maybe someone will take you seriously or put you in a straight jacket……later most likely outcome.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:50 pmglezzery Says:
Love that 650 million converter box program!!!!!
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Riiiiiiiiiiiight… so much more wasteful than making footballs out of money and playing catch in Iraq. Saaay… where’d that NINE BILLION DOLLARS just go?
Awww… who cares??? No need to look into THAT!!!
January 25th, 2009 at 3:52 pmglezzery Says:
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Love that 650 million converter box program!!!!!
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That’s better. You went right to the heart of this thread with that zinger!! Keep going, you’re on your way to bigger and better things. I can feel it.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:54 pmglezzery proved he is a liar at post #191 Seems you even admit that much more is being done with the money than lawn managment……you are such a loser.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:54 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Fred,
After this last administration being a Progressive is the only way to go because nothing else worked. Giving a tax credit to low income workers who pay no taxes while giving no tax credit to those who actually pay taxes if free money.
one example, EVERYONE pays sales tax…don’t you get it? Maybe not on food, but on other necessities.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:56 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Fred,
After this last administration being a Progressive is the only way to go because nothing else worked. Giving a bailout to corporations who pay no taxes while giving no tax credit to those who actually pay taxes if free money.
There I fixed it for you!
January 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pmYes, with nut cases like you on the lose, it is no wonder.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:58 pmI am excited about this Presidency. I will not agree with some things this administration will do. However, I have read President Obama’s agenda and I agree with 85% of it. As for the poster who criticized my grammar and syntax…I AM NOT GETTING GRADED BY YOU !!!!!!!
I hold an MBA from a Catholic University in the southwest and I am currently working on a masters degree in educational administration. This last masters degree has caused me to relfect on my own political ideoology. Therefore, we have a chance to fix our country or break it. I believe in the former rather than the latter.
We have a President with a class family, an impressive educational pedigree and forward thinking policies. We can only go up from here.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:59 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/01/23/business/20090124_CHARTS_GRAPHIC.html
January 25th, 2009 at 4:00 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Zooey,
I don’t feel better than poor families. I grew up poor but my mom had a work ethic and my grandfather and uncle were examples of men who were not alcoholics or drug users or lazy bums.
I have worked hard in my life to get to where I am. I worked and served in the Army and earned money to pay for college and risked my life for the people of Panama in 1989.
My wife was the product of woman who was raped at a college party and decided to have her baby and raise her on her own.
I am saying that people can WORK their way out of poverty. My wife did it and I did it and millions of other Americans have done it.
I feel for the kids of these parents because they don’t know of any other life.
January 25th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Right, so you claim not to be better than other poor families, and then proceed to explain why you’re better than other poor families. Hey, as long as you’re being consistent…
Get this, mbagrad, you and your family just did what we all did (and do) every single day. So don’t hold yourself out as the “hardworking American” here, because you are surrounded by other hardworking Americans.
I think with a background such as yours, you would have learned some empathy. Even though you were poor, obviously there were certain opportunities available to you. For instance, there was a factory for your mother to work in — that’s not so true today.
“There, but for the grace of God, go I.”
January 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pmuscb yeah sales tax on necessities like Big Screen TVs for their mobile home or section 8 house, their four wheelers, their $150 Jordan shoes, $399 PS3. I see these things at school everyday. Yet, these same kids can’t buy school supplies. They get free lunch and bring IPhones to school. Seems like a little bit of a priority issue.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Blah, blah, blah, My family took Social Security benefits but we were honorable. It’s only those black women in the city taking Public Aid for their childen who are bad.
Because you KNOW everybody’s motives and problems. You have it all figured out don’t you. As my mother in-law who was raised on a farm before she came to Chicago says, it’s one thing to be poor on a farm but it’s much harder to be poor in a city where everything is more expensive and nobody around you can grow food to sell cheap. I was raised with money but I’ve spent my life seeing how poor people live in a big city and even if you collect welfare it isn’t easy. Most of those people didn’t have a father who owned two business and paid enough into Social Security so his family got something back when he died.
How about all those kids who are on welfare now because their fathers lost their lives in Iraq and their mothers don’t get squat and can’t afford to work for minimum wage because then their kids won’t be insured. Better yet, aren’t you afraid you’re going to break your arm patting you and your family on the back.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pmglezzie, put down the crack pipe.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:06 pmI’m confused.
You’re in here calling other peoples moms “lazy” for taking any sort of public assistance and yet you’re proclaiming how your own mom lived off of social security benefits to the tune of 14,000 per year? She could have made that much as a waitress, couldn’t she? How is that not her living off of the “doll” (dole) as you suggest other single moms are doing?
Your mom chose to live off of Social Security instead of working like so many single moms have to do, and that makes your family superior how exactly?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pmBottom line here trolls, you lost the election just as the south lost the civil war. Your input is, well, not really welcome. We don’t really care what you think.
We’ll take it from here and you can whine but it will happen anyway.
Is that too vague for you?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pmRaptureReady Says:
Property damage not as bad as I thought.
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Time to launch Phase Two!!!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pmGalactic history? I didn’t know Emperor Palpatine and the Imperial Senate had any say on this one.
Is the Pentagon going to swing a deal to get some Star Destroyers to replace the F-22’s if the Republicans filibuster?
Then again, the GOP is now a bunch that lives in their own galaxy that is “far, far away…” from reality.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pmmbagrad02,
Is there some psychological reason you have to use that moniker?
Is that what defines you? I would bet that a high %age of the posters here have advanced degrees but we don’t feel the need to push it with our names. Kinda like the PhD who demands to be called “Dr.”.
Just an observation.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:10 pmtrolls, why is it that only conservatives have late life conversions. Why do they suddenly realize that their whole life has been a lie and this never happens to progressives?
You know, like Lee Atwater and George Wallace?
Why is that?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:11 pmI remember ole “Joe the Plumber”, the big dumb galoot that rose to fame (infamy if you’re sane) because McCain happened to point to him at a campaign rally.
He too lauded the virtue of “honest labor” and condemned those on public assistance.
Until we found out that he spent years on welfare and unemployment.
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This seems to be a trend with you “pull yourselves up by your bootstraps” conservative folk.
Welfare’s evil unless its being given to your families.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmmbagrad,
$14,000 in the 1970s was equivalent to $50,000-$62,000.
Surely you’ve looked that up before. I’d say your family was doing pretty damn well in the 70s.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmAwesome! Just when I was getting despirited by the quality of the trolls on this thread (I’m lookin’ at you, glezzery…) our friend Daryll shows up!
Cool!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:13 pmDaryll,
Where you been, Dude?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
RaptureReady Says:
Property damage not as bad as I thought.
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Time to launch Phase Two!!!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Will you get the flaming bag of poo, or shall I?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pmRaptureReady Says:
upside99 Says:
Daryll,
Where you been, Dude?
Praising my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, for many things in my life.
Hope you didn’t forget to include our new President as one of those “many things”.
OK?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:18 pmDaryll
I praise the real lord and god on this day…Darth Vader.
He is my saving light.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pmglezzery Says:
AS if smart people with lives and advanced degrees hang out in a nihilistic sh*thole like this!
LMAO.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
When you leave things brighten up considerably.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:22 pmI used mbagrad02 because I worked my ass off to borrow my way through college because I was too poor to pay for it in cash like most of the trust fund babies I went to college with.
My mother was never told about college savings plans, financial aid planning for college, mutual funds, annuities, etc. She was part of a class system that those on Wall street would rather ignore.
For the second time, my mother did not stay home to raise us. She worked third shift in a fiberglass plant so that she would be home for us during the day to help us with our homework and spend time with us. She had a caregiver that would stay with us at night when she went to work. The Social Security benefits were SURVIVOR benefits which my father paid for from his businesses before he was murdered in cold blood by his alcoholic brother in 1974.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:22 pmupside99 Says:
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mbagrad02,
Is there some psychological reason you have to use that moniker?
Is that what defines you? I would bet that a high %age of the posters here have advanced degrees but we don’t feel the need to push it with our names. Kinda like the PhD who demands to be called “Dr.”.
Just an observation.
This is exactly right. Similar to the guy who challenges everyone in the bar to a fight to prove how tough he is. If he were really that tough, he wouldn’t feel such a strong compulsion to prove it.
I’m waiting for mbagrad02 to tell us how he walked uphill (both ways) in bare feet through the snow to get to his one room school with a dirt floor. He’s pretty much exhausted all the other cliches.
These people are sad and laughable at the same time. It’s their only talent.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:22 pmmbagrad,
I think we can agree that you have a giant chip on your shoulder. You seem to be doing pretty well in your life, so my question be: Why the giant chip on your shoulder?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pmZooey that was not even close. $14,000 was a stagnant amount that was only increases by 3% each year as a cost of living adjustment.
My mom paid for individual health insurance, homeowner’s insurance and auto insurance from State Farm. She paid a mortgage, a car payment, and normal everyday living expenses.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pmYou’re hanging out here.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:25 pmglezzery Says:
Judging by the quality of the discussion here, i would say that NO ONE here has an advanced degree in anything. There may be a lot of lying and wishful thinking, but advanced degrees?!?! You can say all the leftist stuff here without having an education at all.
AS if smart people with lives and advanced degrees hang out in a nihilistic sh*thole like this!
LMAO.
Just like all you neocons who call into Billo and Rush’s radio shows multiple times pretend you have jobs and pay taxes after being on hold for 50+ minutes?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:25 pmYou sound quite bitter.
Now your right-wing rhetoric makes perfect sense.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:26 pmThere I fixed that for you.. by the way, what republican provided this emergency relief for your desperate family?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:26 pmsectionop92
I often wondered that myself. How do they have time to wait on hold for so long. I tried it one time on my lunch break and ended up not eating and still had to go back to work LOL!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:26 pmOh, I must be mistaken. I thought I remembered John McCain bringing up his name during a nationally televised debate and then making a campaign spokesman out of ol’ Joe the Plumber.
Was I wrong about that?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pmmbagrad02
Wow!! An alcoholic fratricidal uncle!! This is getting really good. Tell you what, can you suspend comments for a few minutes while I make some popcorn? I don’t want to miss a minute of this.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:29 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Zooey that was not even close. $14,000 was a stagnant amount that was only increases by 3% each year as a cost of living adjustment.
My mom paid for individual health insurance, homeowner’s insurance and auto insurance from State Farm. She paid a mortgage, a car payment, and normal everyday living expenses.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Um, my point being that $14K was worth A LOT more in the 70s than it is now. I was alive back then, and my mother raised us on a military allotment while my father was in Vietnam. I admire your mother for doing what she was supposed to do after your father died. It must have been extremely difficult for her.
Please understand that your family is not unique, and you have much to be grateful for.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:31 pmmbagrad02,
I finished my degrees on the old GI Bill after returning from Vietnam as well as working part-time. I am thankful for the opportunity that was provided me, but I am no different than most people that go to schools other than the Ivy League brand. (i.e. Dubya and his ‘Poppy-purchased’ sheepskins.)
Congrats on your success but I also have to reflect on what Zooey said in #239 about that chip thing.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pmYo glezzy, since when are comments around privileged information? You made a stupid comment, I called you on it.
The reason anybody outside of Toledo knows Joe exists is because the McCain campaign made him into a campaign spokesman.
Look, if you make stupid statements, be prepared to be called on them. Don’t whine about it. Makes you look like a troll.
Oh, that’s right… never mind.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pmZooey,
January 25th, 2009 at 4:34 pmNo giant chip. I am just very proud of what I have done based on where I came from. I am an educator now to help kids in similar or worse economic situations do the same. As a teacher I have really had my eyes opened to the plight of poor kids. I will admit that I thought I was poor growing up. I was poor, but once I went to a seminar taught by a representative of Dr. Ruby Payne(author of “A Framework For Understanding Poverty”)I realized that kids have it much worse than I did. Many parents in the lower wrung of society are living for today and are not planning for the long term. Companies that grant pay-day loans, rent to own , tax refund anticipation loans are directly responsible for this class of society staying where they are in their lives.
I got the facts, Jill.
And he wasn’t anything until McCain dragged him to his campaign rallies and made a big stink out of him and his question to Obama.
A question we later found out that was also mired in hubris.
He attacked Obama’s plan for taxing those making over 250k per year declaring on camera that the plan would impact him, and his “plumbing business”.
Later we learned that Joe did not have a “plumbing business”, and only earned 40,000 the previous year.
Joe went on to try and assert it was a business he was “planning on starting”, yet here we are a year later and Joe isn’t even near a pipe wrench or a thread cutter. Instead he’s holding a microphone, pretending to be a news journalist even though he holds no degree in Journalism.
Yet no plumbing business.
So the “facts” Jill, are that “Joe the Plumber” not only didn’t make the 250k he claimed to make in that famous “question to Obama”, but was also on welfare and unemployment more than once, and fairly recent to boot.
Joe the Plumber turned out to be “Joe the Unemployed Welfare Recipient”, or more aptly put, “Joe the Liar”.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:35 pmmbagrad, as admirable as your current work is, I doubt that you’ll be all that much help to poor kids if you continue to hold that assumption that they are poor because their parents are lazy.
That conviction will seep out in unintended ways as you deal with them, kids will pick up on it, and more likely than not, it will turn them off.
Just a thought.
And for what it’s worth, you absolutely sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pmglezzery Says:
WTF!?!
Are you now working on a third Masters!?!?
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Whoa… waaaaaay too cool. They’re going to go “trollo a trollo”.
Pop corn, pop corn… and some cold beer… tee hee!
Don’t take if from him, Glezz… he’s baiting ya!
All this talk about “Master”… it’s just bait for ya, Glezzy…
January 25th, 2009 at 4:38 pmZooey.
I am VERY grateful for what my mother has done for me. My brother has a very different view. I was 6 when our father was murdered. It was tough. My father was an alcoholic and he physically beat my mom and I had to see it as a young boy. I vowed that I would not become a man like my father. I have fullfilled that pledge and I have feel I have broken the cycle of abuse and alcoholism that has plagued my father’s family for years.
Look, I want to help kids. I have no idea how to help parents who could work harder but prefer to keep taking a government checks while somehow buying their kids expensive video games, etc. It confuses me to no end.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pmglezzery Says:
That flew around the interwebs and Viola!
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Viola??? Who brought in the string quartet?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:40 pmWho cares what Krauthammer, Brooks, and Kristol think? I want the Prez to do exactly the opposite of want these idiots think. We have already had eight years of their “thinking” and it was a disaster.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:40 pmI hope people take note here. This guy was likely not even alive during the 70’s. I imagine this one was born sometime in the last 25 years. Otherwise he’d know that in 1970, 14,000 dollars per year was more than most American’s earned working full time.
My father was a finish carpenter and in the 1970’s he earned working full time roughly 12,000 per year. And on that he raised a family of four, paid off his own home and managed to buy a new car every 3 years.
14,000 per year in the 1970’s would be like 75,000 per year today. That was really good money, and anyone who was alive in 1970 would know that.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:41 pmbagrad02 Says:
I have no idea how to help parents who could work harder but prefer to keep taking a government checks while somehow buying their kids expensive video games, etc.
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***Sniff… sniff…*** What a touching commentary. Those dasdardly welfare moms and dads… hmmm… I’ll bet this is where that viola playing was coming from.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:42 pmObama did the right thing in dining with them. It’s not Obama’s fault that his dinner guests have the mental and intellectual maturity of 7 year olds.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:42 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Zooey,
No giant chip. I am just very proud of what I have done based on where I came from. I am an educator now to help kids in similar or worse economic situations do the same. As a teacher I have really had my eyes opened to the plight of poor kids. I will admit that I thought I was poor growing up. I was poor, but once I went to a seminar taught by a representative of Dr. Ruby Payne(author of “A Framework For Understanding Poverty”)I realized that kids have it much worse than I did. Many parents in the lower wrung of society are living for today and are not planning for the long term. Companies that grant pay-day loans, rent to own , tax refund anticipation loans are directly responsible for this class of society staying where they are in their lives.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
You should be proud, mbagrad, but not so overly proud that you lose focus of the bigger picture. Kudos to you for teaching in schools that might be as desirable as suburban schools. Children are very perceptive, and even though you’re teaching them, and trying to help them move into a better life, they know you hate their parents. We think we keep things from children, but we don’t. Consider that.
We learn what we live, and it’s very difficult to break away from that — even though it’s well worth doing.
We are in complete agreement about the payday loan outfits. They should be illegal. The only thing places like that achieve is draining more and more money away from those who need it the most.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:43 pmupside thank you for your service and congratulations on your success as well! Trust Fund babies like the Ivy Leaguers drive me nuts. I am very appreciative of what I have.
Most of the kids that are poor have parents that are content to take money from the government. If they make more money they will lose their free rent. However, they are selling products at flea markets under the table and then use that money to buy things most middle class adults would not buy their kids such as $399 gaming systems, $500 IPhones, $150 athletic shoes, Big Screen TVs.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pmglezzery Says:
Its interwebs chat thread, why all the grammar nerdery?
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Aw… we’re just playing w/ ya, Glezz… like when you make comments like this:
“Lawn Management?!?! I never mentioned it, DUMMY.”
January 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Most of the kids that are poor have parents that are content to take money from the government.
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Gee… talk about asinine, meaningless generalizations and stereotyping.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pmHey,
January 25th, 2009 at 4:46 pmwhy did Daryll leave so soon? We were just getting warmed up!
mbagrad02, did I miss the post where you told us which republcian made sure social security was in place in your mothers time of desperate need?
Why didn’t she just pull herself up by her bootstraps as you seem to imply that you did, although you did have help.
Contradictory wouldn’t you think?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pmZooey,
I do not hate their parents because I can not know who is lazy and who is not. I can only be suspect when they bring expensive things to school to show off to their friends. They are on free lunch and yet can not bring supplies to school. It just makes me a little confused when I see them driving $50k SUVs yet they are marked as economically disadvantaged. Not all of them are bad parents. But when I see these things I mentioned above I scratch my head and wonder if there is a better way to help people that is fair to everyone.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Look, I want to help kids. I have no idea how to help parents who could work harder but prefer to keep taking a government checks while somehow buying their kids expensive video games, etc. It confuses me to no end.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
You can’t help the parents, and it’s really none of your business. Your job is to teach those kids, encourage them to do their best, and be a positive example.
I can’t figure out some people’s priorities either, but I don’t walk in their shoes, and I understand that I control no one but myself.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pmNo, glezzy, you’re wrong. We’re used to that around here. But had McCain not mentioned Joe the plumber in a live televised debate with Obama, no one outside of Toledo, or the right-wing echo chamber, would have ever heard of him.
Why would anyone pay attention to the dude? He’s not bright, he’s not articulate, he’s not even attractive. But McCain thought he could score some points with white working class folks by exploiting this “average Joe”.
unfortunately for MCCain, when the public found out that his name wasn’t really Joe, that he wasn’t a business owner and wasn’t even a licensed plumber, the impact that McCain was hoping for dissipated like a fart in a windstorm.
Much like your pretensions to wisdom on these boards, glezzy.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pmglezzery Says:
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Its interwebs chat thread, why all the grammar nerdery?
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Pretty simple if you think about it… Try to follow now. We have a troll who claims he has two master’s degrees, tells us he is an educator, and yet seems to have difficulty putting together a grammatically correct sentence. To me this seems a bit suspicious. That clear it up for you?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:51 pmAnyone here who believes that mbagrad02;
A. Is a school teacher
B. Was alive in 1970
C. Wants to help disadvantaged kids
should consider looking at some really nice swampland….er…I mean vacation property that I have for sale in southern Florida.
:|
Its only about 20 miles south of Miami.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:51 pmVery true Zooey, but people who lie to the government are stealing from other children who need those benefits.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:51 pmSome would argue that it’s not even your business to know who is “lazy” and who is not. Your job is to teach children the subject you were hired to teach. You’ll pass judgments on the work the kids turn in and their conduct in class, but you seem intent on passing judgments on people you don’t even know.
That’s why you sound like a right-winger — you sound more concerned with moralistic categories than with solving problems.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pmThere’s an old saying that the difference between a Democrat and a Republican is that a Democrat will pay 100 welfare cheats to make sure one legitimately starving family is fed, and a Republican will starve 100 families to deny one welfare cheat.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pmWoodguy what is YOUR educational background? This is the internet so who cares ?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Zooey,
I do not hate their parents because I can not know who is lazy and who is not. I can only be suspect when they bring expensive things to school to show off to their friends. They are on free lunch and yet can not bring supplies to school. It just makes me a little confused when I see them driving $50k SUVs yet they are marked as economically disadvantaged. Not all of them are bad parents. But when I see these things I mentioned above I scratch my head and wonder if there is a better way to help people that is fair to everyone.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I suggest you go back and read some of your posts above. Maybe “hate” was too strong of a word. I’m thinking “respect” is a better word.
Now, I have my own degree to worry about, so I’m outta here.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pmWhat I find a bit confusing is the dialogue here about Social Security and how it has helped so many people in the past.
What would if be like if Dubya, McCain and the rest of the Repugs had ‘privatized’ it when they wanted to? I bet everyone would be SOOOO happy now, right?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pmClears it up for me.
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I’m good.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:54 pmBaBye Zoo, study steady!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:55 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Very true Zooey, but people who lie to the government are stealing from other children who need those benefits.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I’m pretty sure that worrying about that is not in your job description.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t care about our tax dollars being wasted, but there are people who have that job already.
I hope you’re equally concerned about the recent financial bailouts — talk about welfare!
January 25th, 2009 at 4:56 pmDepends on how it was privatized. It emphasized personal responsibility. Many people are not smart enough to manage their own money and make smart investment choices so I am glad it was not privatized. Look at the way the banks had went belly up along with the stock market? How would privatization have worked then?
January 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pmZooey,
You are so right and these companies have already lost 25% and cannot account for it!!!!!
Let bad businesses fail period or put very tough strings on where and how the money is spent.
January 25th, 2009 at 4:59 pmmbagrad02, seems you don’t answer some questions that might call your integrity into question.
Which republican made social security available for your dear old mom?
January 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pmThis book puts a very eye opening twist on poverty:
Book: A Framework for Understanding Poverty
$22.00
by Ruby K. Payne, Ph.D.
How does poverty impact learning, work habits and decision-making?
People in poverty face challenges virtually unknown to those in middle class or wealth—challenges from both obvious and hidden sources. The reality of being poor brings out a survival mentality, and turns attention away from opportunities taken for granted by everyone else.
If you work with people in poverty, some understanding of how different their world is from yours will be invaluable. Whether you’re an educator—or a social, health or legal services professional—this breakthrough book gives you practical, real-world support and guidance to improve your effectiveness in working with people from all socioeconomic backgrounds.
With a million copies sold since 1996, A Framework for Understanding Poverty has guided hundreds of thousands of educators and other professionals through the pitfalls and barriers faced by all classes, especially the poor. Carefully researched and packed with charts, tables, and questionnaires, Framework not only documents the facts of poverty, it provides practical yet compassionate strategies for addressing its impact on people’s lives.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:02 pmFred I never meant to ignore your question but no Republican created Social Security that my self-employed father paid into. FDR created it as a safety net and made 65 the retirement aged because very few people lived past 65 in the 1930’s.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pmnbagrad02,
My education has nothing whatever to do with the subject of this thread, but since you asked, I have a BA in English literature. I feel it is best (for me)to keep personal information out of fora such as this, since it invariably detracts from the subject at hand.
This thread is a case in point, I believe.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:06 pmRalph ,
People on both sides of the poltical aisle support legisaltion with moralistic tendencies. It is just that each side defines their morals differently.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pmWoodguy,
I never said I had two masters degrees. I said I am currently working on my second which is in edcuational administration. I apologize for any misunderstanding.
My wife has a BA in English Lit also. I tend to drop my guard when online and ignore basic grammar rules. For that I humbly apologize. I know how much improper grammar and spelling irritates my wife and I so I mean you no harm or disrespect.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pmAlthough you mother did draw it when he died, right? And it was basically how you and your mother survived, right.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:10 pmFred,
January 25th, 2009 at 5:12 pmShe did draw it based on how much my Father PAID IN out of his pocket just like a savings or retirement acccount would be contributed to or a life insurance policy.
It wouldn’t be such an issue except for your comments along the lines of your post that I quoted. You seem to want to give the impression that you did the whole bootstraps thing and then we find out that your mom drew what you consider to be welfare……
January 25th, 2009 at 5:16 pmglezzery, you lost, your methods failed. It’s over so suck it up little guy. Obstructionism is thy name as always.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:17 pmIt was not welfare because it was SOCIAL SECURITY that my dad paid into. She did not apply for medicaid or foodstamps. i am not saying welfare is bad. I apologize for not clarifying that. There are genuinely more families that need it then do not. There are more families who used it as a temporary bridge to help them get to a higher income bracket and for them that is an acceptable use. My beef is the percentage that stay on it for generations because they have never seen anyone in their family do anything different.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pmNo, you misunderstand what I said.
In my experience, conservatives tend to come at problems from a moralistic perspective — that is, the problems they seek to address, whether consciously or subconsciously, are moral ones. They don’t see teen pregnancy as a problem of cultural norms leading to a negative end, they see it as a failure of morals. That’s why they insist on “abstinence only” education even when it has proven to be utterly ineffective at lowering the rate of teen pregnancy and STD transmission.
Same thing with poverty. They tend to see it as a failure of “lazy people” to find a job, rather than a dynamic problem of good jobs being lost and replaced by dead-end service sector jobs, or long-term dissolution of support systems in neighborhoods, or other complex but ultimately mechanical factors.
That’s what I was referring to. You sound much more like a standard conservative than the progressive you claim to be.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:20 pmglezzery apparently has no problem with throwing good money after bad into iraq. nor does he have a problem with giving 800 billion to wall street no strings attached.
but, investing in infrastructure for this country? listen to him squeal like a stuck pig!
January 25th, 2009 at 5:20 pmmbagrad02,
No apology necessary. I’ll curb my criticism henceforth. You should hear me rail on the “journalists” on TV if you want to hear a tirade!
What has happened to the English language in the last 30 years is appalling to me and I sometimes vent inappropriately. That’s just me, though.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmWhat chaps me also are those on the right that want to make welfare a racial issue. Dr. Ruby Payne that I mentioned earlier points out that is class issue. There are welfare recipients of every race , there are middle and upper class citizens of every race as well.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmUnless President Obama can get lending to return then nothing anyone does will recover the economy. For years our economy was propped up by the housing market. We knew this. And Greenspan warned us not to let the housing market falter. Because if it faltered, then all the jobs that go with it would go away. And that’s a LOT of jobs. A hell of a lot. The entire construction industry which is the cornerstone of our blue collar work force has begun to collapse simply because people can’t get a mortgage.
If people can’t get a mortgage then people can’t buy homes.
If people can’t buy homes then people can’t sell homes.
If people can’t sell homes then builders have to stop building.
If builders stop building then they can no longer employ the millions of carpenters, laborers, plumbers, electricians, masons, painters, drywall workers, siding installers, flooring installers, roofers, concrete workers, etc etc etc.
And then of course the manufacturers of those materials (i.e. siding manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, roofing material manufacturers, flooring manufacturers, paint manufacturers, etc etc etc) can no longer sell their wares, meaning the people that work for them right on down to the check out girl at Home Depot lose their jobs.
And when all these people lose their jobs then they can no longer meet their obligations. Meaning their homes and debts fall into arrears meaning more home foreclosures, more bank failures, etc.
Its all a snowball effect. And it all starts with the housing market.
The best thing President Obama could do is establish a federal lending pool of some sort. Call it the “Federal Home Lending Corporation” or something and start it with the 350 billion they’re trying to get now. Then allow mortgage lenders and banks to draw on these funds to make home loans to the general public. Set a standard score, 650 minimum or something, 1 year on the job with a salary in line with the mortgage and walla. People get the loans and everyone starts making money again. The banks get to keep the interest rates and loan fees and the principal payments are returned to the Federal lending pool.
Then banks would be suddenly making money again by making loans and they wouldn’t even be risking their own money, thus no excuse for not making loans. The money would come from the billions we’re throwing away at the problem now, with no hope of repayment.
We’re just giving it away and its not being used to make loans like it was supposed to be. My plan would permit the loans to be made without permitting banks and financial institutions to misuse the funds. They’d have to write mortgages with it as that would be its only purpose.
It would sort of be like an FHA loan only it would be a special pool designed to address our immediate financial crisis. A lender wants a loan, they go to a bank, the bank is nervous about lending money because of a tight economy so they simply write the loan on the Federal Lending Pool, thus risking none of their own capital. But they are still writing the loan, still making fees and interest, and the borrower is still getting the loan. Meaning he’s buying a home, meaning someones selling a home meaning jobs jobs jobs. And more jobs. Everyone goes back to work, from the mortgage broker to the real estate saleslady to the title company to the appraisal firms to the home inspectors to the builders and everyone who works for them and everyone who works for the company that makes the products they work with.
Its a good plan. Its a simple plan. And right now its the only one I think that has a prayer.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pmRalph read this
Book: A Framework for Understanding Poverty
$22.00
by Ruby K. Payne, Ph.D.
How does poverty impact learning, work habits and decision-making?
People in poverty face challenges virtually unknown to those in middle class or wealth—challenges from both obvious and hidden sources. The reality of being poor brings out a survival mentality, and turns attention away from opportunities taken for granted by everyone else.
If you work with people in poverty, some understanding of how different their world is from yours will be invaluable. Whether you’re an educator—or a social, health or legal services professional—this breakthrough book gives you practical, real-world support and guidance to improve your effectiveness in working with people from all socioeconomic backgrounds.
With a million copies sold since 1996, A Framework for Understanding Poverty has guided hundreds of thousands of educators and other professionals through the pitfalls and barriers faced by all classes, especially the poor. Carefully researched and packed with charts, tables, and questionnaires, Framework not only documents the facts of poverty, it provides practical yet compassionate strategies for addressing its impact on people’s lives.
This is actual research by an education professional that explains poverty from a class and cultural persective rather than a moralistic perspective. This book really helped me see inside our lower class.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pmgee glezzery, let’s drop capital gains taxes and corporate taxes to 0%…eh? iN FACT, let’s drop taxes on the richest 1% to 0%…Then we can all cut social programs, YAY!
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pm70% of people on the welfare roles are single white women with one child.
So, put yourself in the position of being a woman with a child and otherwise alone in the world and your options are a minimum wage job with no healthcare or the welfare roles which punish you for working but provide the basic needs for survival……tell me what you would do?
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pmglezzery Says:
Most of this stimulus bill is for Government infrastructure upgrades and has nothing to do with stimulating business and employment across the board.
If you want to do that, drop corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, and the top margins. Accelerate depreciation and have a federal tax holiday for some X period of time.
That whole “dropping taxes” thing has had ample time to play out, and it’s been a frickin’ disaster. “Conservatives” never learn, though, and keep repeating the mantra over and over, absent any evidence at all that it works.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pmfred @ 302,
i wholeheartedly agree
January 25th, 2009 at 5:24 pmWoodguy,
Well said!
January 25th, 2009 at 5:25 pmglezzery Says:
If you want to do that, drop corporate taxes, capital gains taxes, and the top margins.
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Gee… Botch lowers all three of those tax rates… and that sure did us all some good. yer all sharp edges, aren’tcha? Jes’ like a marble.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pmWe ALL pay into Social Security.
As we all pay into Medicaid and Foodstamps.
We ALL pay into it and we ALL have a right to it when we need it.
That your “dad” paid his social security taxes in no way changes the nature of the welfare payments your mother took.
We ALL pay for it.
Your dad did nothing special by paying his FICA taxes like every other US wage earner does, and it didn’t make your moms social security welfare payments different or “special” from anyone else receiving public assistance.
In fact FICA pay’s for Medicare, something one would think an “educator” like yourself would know.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:36 pmFICA covers Medicare and Self Employment tax pays BOTH the employer and employee part of Social Security tax. You are right that we have a right to access welfare because we paid into it with our tax dollars. What about those who have never paid a dime of taxes in their lives and stay on welfare for most of their lives?
January 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmWhat about those who have never paid a dime of taxes in their lives and stay on welfare for most of their lives?
Are you refering to the citizens of Israel?
January 25th, 2009 at 5:44 pmStop it, just stop acting like we think that is ok.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pmFred,
January 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pmMy mom was a white woman with TWO children and no other help other than Social Security.
mbagrad02, my issue with you is that you are just as disengenuous as those you despise who game the welfare system.
You led us to believe that you had pulled yourself up by your bootstraps and that it gave you moral authority over others, just to find out that you were a recipient of said services…..we call it hypocricy.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:46 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Fred,
My mom was a white woman with TWO children and no other help other than Social Security.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Is it possible that you fail to see that the safety net is a good thing? And that we would rather see a few cheats get away with some money, than take the risk that people like your Mom, the elderly, and the disabled will fall through the cracks?
What is your point about your mom being white anyway?
January 25th, 2009 at 5:48 pmYou’re kidding me right?
You’re trying to sell yourself as an “educator” with an “MBA” and you don’t know what FICA is?
FICA pays for SOCIAL SECURITY and Medicare.
The self employment tax was enacted by the Self-Employment Contributions Act of 1954 and does for the self employed what FICA does for the “regular worker”.
Where exactly did you get this “MBA” at again?
January 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pmFred you mentioned that 70% of people on the welfare roles are single white women with one child
January 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pmNo, glezzey. What you do is called STUPID.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:53 pmHi Zooey. I just stopped by to congratulate you and to wish you good luck on your degree.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pmI’ll stop by at another time. Just to chat.:)
Methinks the Reichwhiners have seen the steel in our new President, hence their desperation. And while they will be dangerous for a time, they will soon turn on each other in their eagerness to find others to blame. In fact, it’s already begun with the cries that Flippy McSpin wasn’t “conservative” enough.
January 25th, 2009 at 5:56 pmI know what FICA is. Here is the FULL definition.
The Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax is a United States payroll (or employment) tax[1] imposed by the federal government on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare—federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers. Social Security benefits include old-age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI); Medicare provides hospital insurance benefits. The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one’s working career is directly tied to the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree.[citation needed] This has led some to claim that the payroll tax is not a tax because its collection is directly tied to a benefit.[2]
January 25th, 2009 at 5:57 pmmudsharks buddy Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Long time no see, mudsharks buddy! No degree yet, still working on that puppy. Looking forward to seeing you more. Stop by TheZoo, if you’d like!
January 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pmStanding up for the status quo is dissent? funny….dumb but funny.
As I said, your methods just failed us miserably. Want to tell me when bush’s “era of prosperity” will kick in as a result of his tax cuts for the rich and deregulation?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmOnce again let me reiterate mbagrad02 that your dad did nothing special by paying his FICA taxes.
Thus your mom had no more or less right to the public assistance payments she took than does the single mom who applies for food stamps.
She applied for those social security payments. She filled out paperwork. No one just started sending her checks. She applied for it. Just like the single mom (who we all know you feel is black) who applies for food stamps.
There was nothing exceptional about your moms assistance that puts her any higher than the rest of the American population that is receiving some form of public assistance.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmFred ,
January 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pmI have been enlightened in our discussion on here and I will admit that your replies although rude and condescending as they were caused me to reflect on my own ideological views and have me thinking much different than I did prior to engaging in this intellectual banter. In short, I thank you sir for helping me to see the other side. Most conservatives will never when they are wrong even when it is plain that they are. I am an independent and realize I can always learn something new and see other points of view than my own.
If these three are against it, Obama must be on the right track.
http://jackrabbitcafé.blogspot.com
January 25th, 2009 at 6:03 pmglezzey,
Where did you get your degree? What field of study?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmglezzery Says
Did someone leave the screen door open, I though I heard a mosquito.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmApparently not. Which is why you had to look it up instead of just explaining what it was.
Because this is what you said a moment ago.
You said FICA covers “Medicare”.
You said the Self Employment tax pays for Social Security.
You were wrong.
Glad you looked it up.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmWayneboro FRED brought up the fact about white women on welfare. Noone on here ever said anything about blacks being on welfare. I actually mentioned that welfare is a class issue and not a race issue.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmFIxing link from previous comment:
http://jackrabbitcafe.blogspot.com
January 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmYou didn’t know what FICA was, but you expect us to believe you’re an MBA graduate who is a school teacher.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmI like your blog, JohnnyRussia. Happy Blog Birthday!
January 25th, 2009 at 6:08 pmYea.
And then you said this.
Which you didn’t finish for some reason…..
hmmmmm
January 25th, 2009 at 6:08 pmWell, that hasn’t been determined yet so you really can’t take credit for it. The cost is yours though and I didn’t want it spent on Iraq. In fact it seems more likely that we have strenghened Irans hand in the area which really wasn’t worth it……any more gems that don’t sparkle?
Now we spend on America. You don’t like it? tough titties.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:08 pmWAYNEBRO I typed faster than my brain could process and left out the part that FICA was for both. My humble apologies.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pmglezzery Says:
I have an advanced degree in pissing off liberals….
January 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
It’s hard to be pissed off when we’re laughing so hard. FAIL
January 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pmWayne,
fred asked me why I said my mom was white and I responded to him
January 25th, 2009 at 6:12 pmmbagrad02, just the fact that you have hung around tells me that you do think about things. You have been proven wrong about several things and for the most part have admitted it.
There are many issues we have discussed that indicate that we agree on many things basically.
No one has all the answers but blaming poor people for being poor is one we will have a disagreement about.
I don’t consider you to be a troll. You haven’t tried to convert us. The discussion has been hot but about relevant subjects.
I enjoyed the opportunity to share my point of view with you. I don’t think we will convince one another but it’s still important to have the dialog so that we can understand each other better.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pmAs credible as that is to believe, that is your brain cannot keep up with your hands, clearly you were drawing a distinction.
A distinction created by your hastily googling FICA and not reading the results closely enough.
And how do I know that?
Because you declared your mom was somehow more entitled to her public assistance support than was the single mom applying for foodstamps, simply because paw paid his FICA taxes like every other American wage earner.
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That’s how I know.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmThe person making that statement is neither an MBA, nor an “educator” in any public school system in this country.
Except perhaps for Messiah U.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:18 pmglezzery you would be a waste of gunpowder.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:18 pmglezzery Says:
Believe it. Given time, you WILL get pissed off.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Not by the likes of you. :-D
January 25th, 2009 at 6:20 pmFred,
So are you saying that poor people have no personal responsibility to make their lives better or do you believe it is the job of the government to support them ? I believe that people do not wake up thinking “I want to a welfare recipient for the rest of my life.” I feel that poor people simply do not have the tools to make their way out of poverty. I know I did not have them. I had to learn them as an adult and put myself through school. I do not blame poor people for being poor. I do however, believe that if they are tought to fish they can feed themselves but our government programs only give them fish.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pmWayne please do not disrespect my dead father by referring to him as paw. My point is that my father paid into the system whereas most pregnant teenage unwed mothers have not. Therefore, they are receiving a benefit they have not earned.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:23 pmAnd by the way mbagrad, if your family had been so superior to the “welfare moms” you harangue in here, then wouldn’t your paw have taken out an insurance policy large enough to cover mom’s expenses?
After all, you took 14k per year out of the Social Security fund. Even if you guys were newborn infants, 18 years at 14k per pop could have been easily paid by a simple quarter of a million dollar life insurance policy.
Then maw wouldn’t have needed to take money out of the public fund for senior citizens and the handicapped just so you and Tiny Tim could wear shoes on your feet.
Seems to me it must take some ample leverage to get your snooter so high in the air with regards to people on welfare, given your own families proclivities to suckle off public assistance.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmglezzery Says:
Just because you folks are shallow and don’t understand Iraq as a long term solution to the conditions that breed terrorism is only a reflection of your lacking brain power.
The Turks keep invading the Kurdish regions of Iraq, to root out terrorist Kurds, who want their own country. Tell me again, when does this “long term solution” start to show progress?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pmmbagrad02
No, I’m saying that everyone wants the same things. Do you honestly think that the majority of people don’t want what you want? A job and security and health care, etc. If the opportunity to fulfill that dream is there, they will take it. That’s all I’m saying. People want to work.
In the 60’s unemployment was nearly nonexistant. People were working and had jobs that made life worth living.
There are always a few deadbeats. We should find the abusers and send them packing.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Wayne please do not disrespect my dead father by referring to him as paw. My point is that my father paid into the system whereas most pregnant teenage unwed mothers have not. Therefore, they are receiving a benefit they have not earned.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
What is the alternative? You wouldn’t want them to abort the pregnancy, but they must support the child once it is born. The best way for that teen mother to begin paying into the system is to stay in school, which means she must have access to quality and affordable day care for her child. She hasn’t earned that benefit either.
What’s your solution? The pregnancy has occurred, the child has arrived. Run with it, mbagrad.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmSo its ok for you mom to draw public assistance to feed you, because her husband paid his FICA taxes (like every other US wage earner) yet its not ok for a young girl to draw on public assistance even though HER parents “paid into it”?
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January 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmglezzey,
We already know you’re terminally stupid. Please, do not feel like you need to enlighten us further in that regard.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmCan you say FANNIE MAE!?!?!
You can, if you’re determined to shabowbox.
Fannie and Freddie didn’t cause the problems.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmNO YOU CAN’T that lie has been debunked long time ago.
Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis
Dude, you seem to be augering in. Are you ok?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmWe have a system of welfare that designed to help the needy.
Not necessarily the deserving. As Americans, we do not base our charitable acts on whether or not ones “earned” help, but on whether or not one needs it.
This way we avoid such things as letting babies starve for example, as babies of course could not possibly have “earned” any assistance. Nor can children, and many young men and women.
That’s why they need the assistance.
And that’s why we give it.
Because they need it.
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You know, it seems to me your problem isn’t so much your “conservative skin” that you claim you’re trying to shed but simply your tight ass.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:37 pmWaynebro cant take the heat now
January 25th, 2009 at 6:37 pmWaynebro you are an moron!! I never disrespected your mama why would you do the same to me? Did you have the blessing to grow up with both of your parents or did your dad leave you as a baby.
My mother and father has a Whole Life insurance policy because that is all poor people know about and he borrowed against it not knowing that he would not have any money if he died. This is why I went into the financial services industry after college to help poor people take care of financial affairs. However, the companies I worked for would not let me help poor people because there was no commission to earn. I got frustrated and went into education.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pmMan, got nothing ay?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pmReally?
I’m feeling quite cool actually. What “heat” are you referring to?
What it looks like is Uni-Troll got busted trying to slide in as a “moderate conservative looking for some understanding” so he could sell his half truths and misdirections, and now is angry that he was exposed.
That’s the heat I think you’re mistakenly placing on my end.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pmOK OK OK Waynebro you bring up a very valid point and I chuckled at the tightass comment. I agree with you that if a person is needy we should help them if we have the resources. See, I can be taught!!!!!!! I am searching because the last eight years did nothing for me or my family. Becoming a teacher has done more to bring me away from the dark side than anything else in my life.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:42 pmSounds rough.
Pretty good sob story.
Now how exactly does that make your family superior to the pregnant girls family again?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pmGlezz,
Are you serious or are you just trying to bring some humour to this thread?
Need to loosen your Limbaugh OxyContin headband, it seems to be a bit too tight.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pmglezzery reminds me of my five year old nephew. they both latch on to something regardless if it’s true or not and incessantly repeat it as if it were true.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pmwaynebro I apologize for calling you a moron. I was a bit upset about how you treated my family and again I am sorry.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:45 pmglezzery, how are you going to blame the Iraq war on the Democrats when it turns out to be a disgraceful sham? You seem content to blame Democrats for everything even when they have been out of power for 8 years……
sad little man.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:45 pmI spent the first 2 and a half years of my life in a Catholic orphanage, not that that has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
The question to you oh educated one, is what makes your family superior to the pregnant girls family?
You have yet to produce one iota of information that exalts your family to anything more than typical welfare recipients.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:45 pmShort version.
Killing is easy and spending on killing shows immediate results. Rheichwhiners like spending on killing.
Helping is hard and spending to help people doesn’t necessarily show immediate results. Reichwhiners don’t like spending on helping because their puny, stunted, intellects can’t see how it will benefit their own greedy needs.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pmmbagrad02 Says:
…”My beef is the percentage that stay on it (welfare) for generations because they have never seen anyone in their family do anything different.”
January 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
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There’s a time limit for those who are recipients of assistance. Five years is not a generation.
“…federal welfare policy in the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA), which imposed a 60-month time limit on federally funded assistance for most families.”
http://www.mdrc.org/publications/51/overview.html
http://www.mdrc.org/publications/51/overview.html
January 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pmmbagrad02 Says:
OK OK OK Waynebro you bring up a very valid point and I chuckled at the tightass comment. I agree with you that if a person is needy we should help them if we have the resources. See, I can be taught!!!!!!! I am searching because the last eight years did nothing for me or my family. Becoming a teacher has done more to bring me away from the dark side than anything else in my life.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
That’s what I’m looking for. I hope you continue to come to TP.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:47 pmIn fact the only difference I can find is in how you describe your dad as not to bright, for purchasing a life insurance policy that doesn’t pay anything when he loses his life.
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January 25th, 2009 at 6:48 pmpete Says:
Short version.
Killing is easy and spending on killing shows immediate results. Rheichwhiners like spending on killing.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
And it gives glezzey that oh so elusive woody…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:49 pmI think glezzery must be drunk…..not making any sense at all.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:51 pmZooey Says:
And it gives glezzey that oh so elusive woody…
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Hmmm… not… gonna… say it. Not… gonna…
January 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pmglezzery Says:
“I ask again, what is the reason millions of bad mortgages were made and why are they toxic?”
let me field this one:
Q:
I ask again, what is the reason millions of bad mortgages were made
A: predatory lending practices due to rampant deruglation.
Q:”why are they toxic?”
A: Because of deregulation, these mortgages magically got a “aaa” rating and were sold as such bundled with true “aaa” rated loans which, in turn turned into a culterfcuk
anything else i can help you with lil’ trolly?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:52 pmWayne
Most people of low income purchas cash value policies and borrow against them because the do not know any better. I spent 12 years of my life educating people of low income on the value of pure term life insurance because my dad was not smart enough to buy it.
I concede your point that all are deserving if they are poor and that they need our help. My question to you know is how do we help them move up the economic ladder and encourage them to break the cycle of poverty?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pmIllegal war, torure and waste of American Treasure…..You call yourself an American?
January 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pmBozo with a 3 pointer.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:54 pmglezzery Says:
Saddam was Better!
Bush is just like Saddam!!!!!
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Well, to be HONEST, Botch’s own father, along w/ Rummy and BiggusDickus, helped arm him. I believe Rummy even referred to him as “our good friend”.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm
Wow… does Rummy ever look young in that picture.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:55 pmThere you go calling paw stupid again.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pmA society with the will to make it happen. Don’t tell me it can’t be done and at this stage to any who would cite expense I really don’t want to hear that we don’t have the money. They found it for things that didn’t help Americans so they can find it….
January 25th, 2009 at 6:58 pmmbagrad02 Says:
“MOST PEOPLE” of low income purchase cash value policies and borrow against them because the do not know any better.
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MOST PEOPLE? Please define that more specifically. You keep undermining your own credibility w/ comments like that. I’d think someone w/ an advanced degree in education would KNOW BETTER that to keep larding his statements down w/ such sweeping, vague, and therefore meaningless, generalizations.
January 25th, 2009 at 6:58 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
anything else i can help you with lil’ trolly?
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Getting into a dry pair of Depends™?
January 25th, 2009 at 7:00 pmOh, oh!
The stupid troll will be calling us “Marxists” in 3, 2…
January 25th, 2009 at 7:00 pmRepublic,
You have no idea how many people with incomes below $40,000 that hold only a high school education that I have talked to that do not understand financial instruments beyond their own checking and savings account. This is because the large insurance companies do not want them to know because they would not be able to take advantage of their ignorance which is much difference than stupidity. Stupidity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result yet ignorance is simply not knowing any better which is what happened with my father. He only had a high school education and ran his business well but trusted estate planning to a licensed insurance agent.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:07 pmglezzery Says:
Yeah, i’ve seen that picture and it still doesn’t mean anything in discussing Iraq!
Maybe you can cut out a big chunk of history to make a nonpoint.
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Chapter 7 of “The Big Book of Internet Trolling™:
“My Opponent Just Embarrassed Me With My Own Comment. Now What Do I Do Now?”
Experts usually suggest you try moving the goal posts, Glezz. Say you get called out for claiming something truly stupid, like, oh… “Libs claim Bush is as bad as Saddam”, and your opponent points out that, well, Bush’s own father was friends with the man and helped arm him at one point.
Yes, you do look like a complete fool. So MOVE THE GOAL POSTS! Magically go from discussing similarities between Bush and Saddam to asking “What does that have to do w/ Iraq?”
Nothing, quite frankly, but then neither did your first comment, the one you got called on.
And Viola… just like that… you’re off of one hook, and on to another!
January 25th, 2009 at 7:07 pmWe get it. Paw was none too bright. Understood.
What you don’t seem to get is most people in here are(were) on to you. From the minute you came in (in all caps) declaring that unwed teenage mothers had no right to our welfare dollars but your mom did.
We got it.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pmHey Glezz,
One question:
Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?
Think about that, K?
January 25th, 2009 at 7:13 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Republic
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Ya know, for someone who claims to have an advanced degree, you’re awfully slow on the uptake. Much like Glezz, if you get called out on an obviously pointless comment… “MOST PEOPLE…” moving the goal posts doesn’t mean you’re off the hook.
Again… r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y: broad, sweeping generalizations, like “most people”, are meaningless. You keep going back to phrases like that over and over again. You only undermine your own credibility, and quite well too, when you do that.
Hyperbole, stereotypes, and generalizations don’t make valid points.
Try again.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:13 pmWAYNEBRO, no one is being fooled…..different tactics, that’s all…
January 25th, 2009 at 7:14 pmPersonally, I choose to give mbagrad the benefit of the doubt. He’s already said that some of his thinking has changed today, and that really doesn’t happen often.
I think personal attacks on mbagrad’s family are way out of line.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:18 pmFred Says:
telestai2 Says:
Fellow bloggers who attack Christians, would you please do only one thing? Remember that NOT all Christians subscribe to hateful vendettas and finger-pointing! Many, many of us experience daily anguish at what the hate-mongers spew under the banner of “Christianity.” They do NOT speak for those of us who believe what Jesus said about the nature of genuine love.
But we haven’t heard a word from you for 8 long years while your preachers preached politics from their pulpits……
you are complicit.
Cool your jets, Fred: YOU have not “heard a word from me in 8 long years,” but hundreds of others have. You and I have not been in a forum where you COULD have heard from m, or where I could have heard from you.
I’ve been taking issue with BushCo’s “Christianity” and “morality” before there was a BushCo: I’ve been speaking out since Dubya was governor of Texas. . . and I took issue from Texas A&M University, from whence it is not particularly safe or wise to criticize even a bogus citizen who claims to be Texan.
After I moved to Tennessee and was teaching at a university in the “buckle of the Bible belt,” I CONTINUED to speak out and to take issue with hypocrisy, including writing to national publications such as the Christian Science Monitor, several of which published my criticisms of folks who called themselves Christians. I took issue at my large Southern Baptist Church, where I taught an adult Sunday School class which included ordained ministers; I took issue during choir practice–I was president for several years–when many of my co-singers were staunch Republicans and/or conservatives.I took issue at professional conferences and seminars. As much as I could ethically do so, I even took issue in my English classes–NEVER propounding my own beliefs, but ALWAYS raising questions about statements that “Christians” were making in the media, and inviting debate in essays and in written responses to various assigned readings. I’ve alienated friends and even family by my refusal to accept the “Christian” line posited by repugs.
Am I “complicit”? No more so than you are, for not speaking in a forum where I might have heard YOUR ideas before I discovered this blog. The fact that you, personally, did not “hear from me” for these last 8 horrible years does NOT by any stretch of the imagination mean that I was was silent.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:21 pmDoes anyone know to whom we owe the recent influx of stupid trolls? Freeperville? Redstate? Or, did Lush Rimjob mention TP during his daily toxic excretions?
January 25th, 2009 at 7:21 pmLet’s take a vote, is glezzery making any sense to any of you?
I agree with you Zooey about mbagrad
January 25th, 2009 at 7:23 pmglezzey has never made any sense. I anticipate no improvement.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:26 pmtelestai2, We just fought a war of atrition with support from religion in this country. Something is wrong with that.
If you are one of the few people who are truly spiritual and were a vocal dissidant then I apologize to you personally but I have little regard for religion and their part in what has happened in thier name. They deserve and will receive my anger.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:27 pmOk ok I get it Republic I will cease all statements dealing in generalities. Point well taken. I want to help people help themselves out of poverty. I firmly believe that all who want to get a college education and are able to do so should be given the opportunity to do so without going into debt. Education is the only thing that helped me break a cycle of poverty.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:28 pmWell then you should examine this fine piece of property I have for sale south of Miami. It’s a sweet deal.
As for personal attacks on his family being way out of line, I’d say whats more out of line is suggesting someone is making them who is not.
Go find the personal attack. I merely repeated what he said about his own father.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pmglezzery Says:
Whatever
January 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Thanks for meeting all expectations.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pmglezzery Says:
Are you here to discuss ideas or support for your intelligent and “Liberal” ideas!?!?
You haven’t made a single attempt to engage in a discussion about any ideas, which is how you got yourself tagged immediately as a troll. All you’ve contributed have been mocking, snotty generalities about liberals and equally snotty generalities about the brilliance of “conservatives.”
Typically, for a troll, you’ve also engaged in a lot of whining about intolerance out of one side of your mouth while spewing nothing but intolerance out of the other.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:32 pmFred Says:
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Let’s take a vote, is glezzery making any sense to any of you?
I agree with you Zooey about mbagrad
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Fred,
If you would be so kind as to accept my help, I think I can help explain greaserly’s point of view. To simplify what he is saying, I shall paraphrase his thoughts:
“Tnio innyld0vnoo onmp Quivn[9jfet!!!! HKIMn g[pi-pqwmf[pmp;
tpmm[pvqqqqqp[ poimIGtak
OICU82!!
Hope this helps.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:33 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
January 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
We’ve gone down this road before, Bart, and I’m not doing it again.
The first word in my post was “personally.” I gave my opinion. You don’t have to like it, or agree with it.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pmpete Says:
Does anyone know to whom we owe the recent influx of stupid trolls? Freeperville? Redstate? Or, did Lush Rimjob mention TP during his daily toxic excretions?
I just assumed the moderators were off on a binge or had fallen asleep at their desks. The influx definitely seems tied to the inauguration, so perhaps they’re just in the “last throes”.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:36 pmIf I may answer for pete, “Yes, yes, and yes.”
January 25th, 2009 at 7:37 pmWell since I was the one who had to tell YOU that “I’m not going down that road with you again Zooey” I find it amazing that you chose to act is if those words are originating with you.
As for your “personally” opinion, you directed it at me, I was just more honest in who my response was too.
And as for going down the road again, I’m all over it.
Just don’t direct any more “personally” comments to me and I won’t see the need to respond to them.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pmhmm, I would have said yes, yes and no.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmThe universe once again revolves around Bartlebee. Surprise!
January 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmglezzery Says:
Not trolling! If i were doing that, my posts would all be STFU Idiot. You’re a N****R! kind of trollish garbage.
You want to stop dissent and alternate ideas merely by ridiculing the poster or ad hominem attacks.
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Ad hominen attacks??? ya mean, like:
glezzery Says:
“You are no liberal, you bare no resemblance to liberals, DUMMY. CLOWN!”
Or,
glezzery Says:
AS if smart people with lives and advanced degrees hang out in a nihilistic sh*thole like this! LMAO!
Ya mean, those kinds of attacks?
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These are common fallacies. I don’t move the goalposts. You point out a DIFFERENT policy than GWB’s! Do you even realize it?
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Another troll tactic: When caught in ANOTHER stupid comment, claim your opponent is actually the one who did it.
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That was Realpolitics in Action, a Kissinger influenced play the bad guys against each other!
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Excuse me? Kissinger now? I believe you originally claimed…
“glezzery Says:
Saddam was Better!
Bush is just like Saddam!!!!!
YOUR exact words… all I did was point out that the GOOPers, including Botch’s own father, once considered Saddam to be THEIR friend. Birds of a feather, blah blah blah…
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You move the goalposts by diverting from my comments to a picture of Rumsfeld during another COMPLETELY DIFFERENT foreign policy! It is NOT Bush’s. You conveniently leave out Iran and the Hostage crisis.
You leave out the Iraq/Iran war!
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So, if I point something negative out about Bush, or GOOPers in general, I’m moving the golaposts, but if you drag Kissinger and the Iran/Iraq War into it, you’re not. Am I reading this correctly?
WTF does Iran have to do w/ similarities between Bush and Saddam?
It is prolly safe to say that Bush and Saddam have killed an equal number of Iraqis.
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And have i NOT seen folks call Bush a DICTATOR here?!?! No?
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Well, he did joke about how much easier the job would be if he were one… and KKKarl did brag about a “permanent GOOPer majority”… heh…
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Have folks NOT made the comparison between Bush and Hitler?
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Well, yeah… ya got me on that one… heh…
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Puhhhlleeeez. I know **** when i see it. You are not arguing anything, but throwing crap on the wall and seeing who doesn’t recognize it as such. Well buddy, I DO!
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Then I’d think you could recognize yer own BS a little easier, Glezz.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:43 pmYou think i am here to get off the hook?!?!
An example of not making sense:
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! LMAO
Check it out. A dead giveaway of WHAT!?!?!
Nice construction.
Thanks for playing ,though. lolololol
January 25th, 2009 at 7:43 pmSorry, Fred, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:44 pmwoodguy Says:
Fred,
If you would be so kind as to accept my help, I think I can help explain greaserly’s point of view. To simplify what he is saying, I shall paraphrase his thoughts:
“Tnio innyld0vnoo onmp Quivn[9jfet!!!! HKIMn g[pi-pqwmf[pmp;
tpmm[pvqqqqqp[ poimIGtak
OICU82!!
Hope this helps.
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And you even got the accent right. Dang… yer good.
But if that old man even starts to open that trench coat… so help me Dog!
January 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pmWAYNEBRO, why the attitude? Yes, I’m asking you personally. Zooey allready said that it was her opinion and whether it was original or not matters not one bit.
I agree with her. You do things your way if you want. Take it for what it was, her opinion and move along.
No need for a chip on your shoulder here unless you are just looking for a fight.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pmRoS,
Quite the complete compilation of Glezz’s troll droppings and appropriate responses.
But, once a troll, always a troll. Ya know.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pmgummitch Says:
I just assumed the moderators were off on a binge or had fallen asleep at their desks. The influx definitely seems tied to the inauguration, so perhaps they’re just in the “last throes”.
Well, obviously. And it’s a well deserved binge. But stupid trolls don’t march without orders, they just mill around like paramecia in pond water. All the panic that set in when Obama’s inauguration became official needs a directing force.Someone targeted TP, I just wonder who.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:47 pmThanks, Republic. In moments of heady granduer I sometimes fancy myself a linguist.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmNo problem, I just thought the 3rd question was whether we knew that not all of the trolls came from red state, etc. and I thought that was a “no”…..I thought they did.
maybe I misunderstood the question.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:50 pmAt least I can see both sides of the argument unlike Glezz.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:50 pmHere’s what mbagrad had to say, so that it doesn’t get lost in the chaff.
Now, most people in here older than 40 would recognize the immediate absurdity of this claim of 14,000 per year in Social Security benefits in the 1970’s.
Even in the 1980’s $14,000 per year was good money. Damn good money. My father worked as a finish carpenter for a larger firm and only brought in around 12,000. Heck our HOUSE cost 12,000, in 1972.
Anyone older than 40 would immediately see the nonsense that post was, not to mention the tired old right wing harangue about unwed teens and welfare moms. And if they didn’t see that then they’d recognize one of our regular trolls constant taunts whenever someone makes a comment that they cannot handle.
No one could miss that old troll taunt. The troll can’t respond to the comment so they just taunt, trying to draw an angry response. No one could miss that.
Clearly mbagrad02 is one of the regular trolls in here, and I’m sorry if it bothers some that I notice that, or that I won’t play along and act stupid for them until I get some “gotcha” moment to expose them with. MBA is a troll, nothing more and I am treating him pretty well considering that fact.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:51 pmThis is my first time in here. I may have the amounts wrong. Can someone tell me what social security survivor’s benefits would be for a woman with two minor children in 1974 through 1989 since everyone in here knows more than I do.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:52 pmWAYNEBRO, ya think. He sure didn’t like you from the start and he talks like a progressive but is aggressive towards other progressives……
January 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pmwoodguy Says:
Thanks, Republic. In moments of heady granduer I sometimes fancy myself a linguist.
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Heh… a cunning linguist, ta boot…
We need someone here who can translate the different dialects the trolls sometimes speak in… ya know, Gibberish, Idiotic, Blarney, amongst others.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pmWho me? I hardly knew Waynebro when I came in here Fred
January 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pmWAYNBRO=BARTLEBEE?
No way! The BARTROLL swore he would NEVER return. Would he lie?
January 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
We need someone here who can translate the different dialects the trolls sometimes speak in… ya know, Gibberish, Idiotic, Blarney, amongst others.
January 25th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Typonese…
January 25th, 2009 at 7:59 pmAccording to the SS website Survivor benefit calculator based on a $40,000 a year income would yield a mother and her two children an annual income of $34704 until the children are 18 years old. Based on this I must have seriously erred in the amount of benefits my mom was getting. $7000 must have been the annual benefit she was getting for her and two kids
January 25th, 2009 at 8:02 pmWell, you are now being aggressive towards me.
First, by lying about me.
Who have I been “aggressive” to?
Show me one comment that is “aggressive” to “other progressives”.
And since Zooey was the first one to start with the “aggression” what does that make her? She’s the one who started insulting me last night, and in here tonight. And she lied about it to boot.
That I don’t “like” Zooey is not in question. I think she’s a snooty, self righteous snob who persecutes anyone she doesn’t feel fits into her “click”.
And those in her “click” like you apparently will support her attacks on me so that she can paint me as the bad one. After all, if she can get 4 or 5 of her pals to all say stuff to me, or about me, then if I’m going to dare and respond and defend myself then I am defending myself 4 or 5 times for every one comment made by them.
Its a good plan and it works well. Zooey’s a master practitioner of it and I’ve left here partially because of her and her friends over a year ago.
And tonite, I’m sorry I came back.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:02 pmBart,
Psychological projection.
Look it up.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pmSee, and there it is.
All the little players are back in place to paint me as something evil and to play “pile on”. Because when you “pile on” then you will always win against one.
I did nothing here tonight. Nor last night when Zooey launched her first unwarranted attack. I said nothing out of line, and everyone was fine with what I was saying, even hitting the “RECOMMEND” button on more than half my posts more than once.
But now, Zooey and the few in here who rule the roost, will climb high on their dungheaps to crow, and I’ll let them.
I was gone for a year last time.
I’ll make it two this time.
Later, you superior individuals.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pmI got a better idea.
How about you shove it up your fat self righteous ass?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pmWOW Waynebro how do you know her ass is fat?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:08 pmStrange time to be talking about pulling yourself up by the bootstraps.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:09 pmNow I’m feeling all attacked and shit…
January 25th, 2009 at 8:11 pmOur dispute had nothing to do with Zooey, or any other poster, BARTROLL. You presumed to claim you decided what others believe and I called you on the carpet. Then you carried our dispute to every thread you came across, projecting your own crap on others, though I’m sure your version doesn’t resemble reality.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:14 pmThere was no need to call Zooey self righteous or comment about her posterior which is not in question
January 25th, 2009 at 8:16 pmBARTLEBEE, good to know you are still around but I really don’t think you are up to this and what’s the point. It ended really badly for you last time.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:16 pmObama’s Right-Wing Dinner Friends Rip His Stimulus Package: Worst Bill In ‘Galactic History’»
No, Kristol is the ‘Worst Bill In Galactic History’.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pmmbagrad02, did you just play with our emotions? Are you just here playing? I feel so used.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pmNo reason you should Zooey, you pegged him. I’m astonished. You have excellent abilities for reading people.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:21 pmLie.
I simply repeated the dictionaries AND http://www.ATHEIST.org definition of Atheism as a “belief system”.
Which it is.
And you couldn’t handle that, so you and about twelve other morons decided to spend two months debating the topic until I had had enough of your nonsense.
Atheism is a belief, was a belief, and always will be a belief until it is proven by science. So says the Atheist websites, so says the dictionary, and so says WAYNE. That’s my name by the way mister. Not troll. Not bartroll. Wayne.
And that’s why I left, because in this blog, those who won’t bow to the “regulars” are demonized and badgered until they leave. Which I’ll be happy to do again.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pmFred Says:
Zooey Says:
Now I’m feeling all attacked and shit…
No reason you should Zooey, you pegged him. I’m astonished. You have excellent abilities for reading people.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I was being sarcastic, Fred. ;)
January 25th, 2009 at 8:23 pmNo Fred, I told her I was Bartlebee by addressing her as him in another thread.
And my name is Wayne, Fred. Not a handle, not a troll. Just Wayne. This is my name. That’s my email and I never hide from clowns in a blog. Especially self righteous pricks who talk about people in the third person. Like they were superior or something.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pmNo Fred I am being genuine. I have left the Republican party and right wing ideology. Your discussions today have given me a much brighter view of politics
January 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pmKrauthummer could rent out his upper lip for a VFW meeting hall. Other than that, a complete waste.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pmNo, Bart. I spotted you days ago, but didn’t bother to address you until a day or so ago. I never checked back for your inevitable response.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pmI spent entire class period on the Inauguration because my students were off the day of the Inauguration and I was not sure how many would have watched it. I am fully supporting our President. However, my 5th graders are predominantly minority but have no idea how historic this Presidency is. They have no idea of the struggle of their ancestors. It is frustrating to try and get them as excited as I am of this Presidency.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:28 pmHahahahahaha!
Like any fine instrument, BARTROLL remains in tune. The BARTROLL is still as easy to play as a record. Though why anyone would take such enjoyment from being played is beyond me.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:30 pmSee, I’m not good at it….hangs head in shame.
To Bart, sorry dude, I have been crossways with oh so many regular people here and I have not been ran off. You can have differences of opinion here, you just can’t run off the rails with it.
It’s mostly my own fault, my wife says I have no tact.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pmshoeless nails it @#466
January 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pmLast Tuesday at noon I heard the simultaneous explosion of the heads of approximately 23% of the population. Many of those with smoking stumps on their shoulders quickly made their way to the various progressive blogs they had been avoiding for months in order to spew torrents of vitriol at those of us who had helped place the ultimate object of their scorn in the Oval Office. This vomit of bile from the 23% deadender Bush minions has continued unabated since.
If you cut the head off a chicken, it will run around for a little while spewing blood all over the place, but it’s already dead.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:35 pmWhere can I go and see the proposed economic stimulus package?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pmThe easiest way to identify a liar is to see who goes around screeching, “they’re lying”.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pmAs always the Queen B’s lie paints the reality that passes in here.
No Zooey, you didn’t “spot” me. I addressed you openly, and everyone when I addressed an issue that I as when I used the handle bartlebee over a year ago. I obviously was not “hiding” as your “spotting” would imply. Wayne is my name, and when I left TP last January, I stopped using it in Wordpress and started using my own account. Your attempts to make yourself look superior by “spotting” me, are just more of your sanctimonious nonsense.
Anyway go ahead and chat with your new friend mbagrad. I’m sure you have a lot in common. Last post, meaning I won’t be reading yours, even though you say over and over “we know you’re reading this”. Because I’m not. Because frankly, you few clowns, you “band of boneheads” aren’t worth my time.
I left for just over a year ago last week, and didn’t miss this place a bit. I came back a few nights ago because there was a new spirit in the country, one of hope, positive thinking and a general kindness not seen in years, and I thought I could enjoy some commenting with some of the newer members and maybe even one or two of you who had grown up a little too. But obviously nothing here has changed. There’s a few friends in here, but most of them are too scared to speak up against the queen bee and her cluster of cuckolds, and others just find its easier to run with the pack, so sitting here responding to 5 or 6 commenter’s at once only to have the inevitable brilliant one of you that will start blubbering about how many times I comment as if he\she is unaware of the number of bloggers I am responding to, is well, lets just say I’ve found better things to do with my time over the last year, and leave it at that.
Have fun exalting yourselves in my absence. Even if I’m not seeing your no doubt superior and witty responses take some small measure of comfort in pretending that I am.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:45 pmpete Says:
The easiest way to identify a liar is to see who goes around screeching, “they’re lying”.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
You’re so right, pete.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:46 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Where can I go and see the proposed economic stimulus package?
I don’t think there is a monolithic “stimulus package”. It’s still very much in a state of flux and will be years in the making. Which is a good thing because, events are unfolding in real time and require real time responses.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:48 pmshoeless,
As Ry Cooder said, “I like chicken pie”.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:50 pmWell, Pete I heard that most of this won’t even hit the economy for two years. What will be done to help the millions of unemployed that need help NOW??
January 25th, 2009 at 8:55 pmSorry, stupid troll. Rational people are concerned with saving the economy from decades of abuse. Growing the economy is a few years down the road.
And that wealth you are so concerned about? About 30% of the worlds wealth has evaporated in the last year. Sheesh! Try reading a reputable source about current events.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pmDISCLAIMER: Glezzery is the stupid troll I addressed in my last post.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pmIf that money were being handed to bankers, no questions asked, these same neocon idiots would be crowing about how great and enlightened it is. These names will go down in history as instruments of the destruction of the Republic. Take note…
January 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pmPete what will be done for to create jobs this year to jump start the economy?
January 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pmmbagrad,
Here’s the text of the stimulus plan. Like pete said, I don’t think it’s carved in stone.
January 25th, 2009 at 8:59 pmgiving money to these banks was a stupid move because they hasve already lost 25% of it and can’t event account for it
January 25th, 2009 at 9:00 pmmbagrad02 Says:
Well, Pete I heard that most of this won’t even hit the economy for two years. What will be done to help the millions of unemployed that need help NOW??
I don’t intend to be flip but, lots of things is my best answer.
I tend to favor methods somewhere between “ripping the Band-aid off” and amputation. Since I know that investment banks and speculative markets won’t be liquidated, with their assets going to those in need, I would tend towards infrastructure spending, education initiatives (cross-training if you prefer), emergency loans to vulnerable tech companies and (my personal favorite), a subsidized effort to put solar cells on every roof and a wind turbine on every spare piece of land.
That would be my general plan but, the best answer I can give you is, specific problems require specific answers.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:08 pmsounds like a great start!
January 25th, 2009 at 9:20 pmI found this from Wayne’s link http://www.atheist.org:
Ouch! That’s going to leave a mark…again.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:34 pmglezzery Says:
Republic: I replied to your Rumsfeld post.
Blah blah blah… blah blah blah.
BUT lets not play the Zooey game.
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Huh? WTF’s the “Zooey Game”?
Z… did you call Glezz a “p*ss-soaked troll”?
Fess up… did you?
January 25th, 2009 at 9:35 pmlivelongandprosper Says:
I found this from Wayne’s link http://www.atheist.org:
Is Atheism a belief system or religion?
Theists usually define atheism incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is not a religion.
Ouch! That’s going to leave a mark…again.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Nope. Once the source refutes the BARTROLL it is magically transformed to “some guy on the internet”. It would take a brick, anvil, or a flamethrower to leave a mark on the BARTROLL.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:38 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Z… did you call Glezz a “p*ss-soaked troll”?
Fess up… did you?
January 25th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Well, I didn’t want to state the obvious…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:40 pmZooey Says:
Well, I didn’t want to state the obvious…
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No… no… feel free to.
Hey, Glezz… Z has sumpin ta say ta ya… heh…
January 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pmTroublemaker….
Heh.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:54 pmmbagrad02 Says:
I spent entire class period on the Inauguration because my students were off the day of the Inauguration and I was not sure how many would have watched it. I am fully supporting our President. However, my 5th graders are predominantly minority but have no idea how historic this Presidency is. They have no idea of the struggle of their ancestors. It is frustrating to try and get them as excited as I am of this Presidency.
I find this hard to believe.
Black History month kinda solved that vacuum. Maybe the kids aren’t connecting with you.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:59 pmSo the GOP leadership has decided to return to the divisive rhetoric that has put off most Americans during the past few years, despite Obama’s willingness to compromise on the stimulus package.
Well, the Democrat-controlled Congress should pull the rug out from under the GOP’s feet and remove all of the compromised components of the proposal–yank out most of the tax breaks and restore the rest of the funding for infrastructural development–and get the thing passed without the support of the GOP leadership.
Obama and the Democrats in Congress need to be true to their convictions. If the stimulus package results in an economic turn-around within the next year or so, then they should receive all of the credit. If after two years we see no significant improvement in the economy, then they will have to accept the blame and will no doubt face the consequences during the next Congressional election cycle. But at least they can that they supported policies that they believed in.
January 25th, 2009 at 9:59 pmZooey Says:
Troublemaker….
Heh.
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And you wear it so well…
January 25th, 2009 at 10:08 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Zooey Says:
Troublemaker….
Heh.
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And you wear it so well…
January 25th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Like a polar bear coat. ;)
January 25th, 2009 at 10:09 pmZooey Says:
Like a polar bear coat. ;)
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Wha??? Like… a… POLAR BEAR COAT?
***Gasp…***
January 25th, 2009 at 10:11 pmGotcha. ;)
January 25th, 2009 at 10:12 pmGlezzery argues here using McCain’s bs talking points from his lost run for president. I didn’t think anybody was dumb enough to believe all that crap, besides Sarah Palin that is.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:13 pmZooey Says:
Gotcha. ;)
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Hmpfff… Well i suppose it is faaaar more stylish than, say, a wolf skin coat.
January 25th, 2009 at 10:43 pmLuckily, we have a President with some sense of the exchange between a stimulus, and a reaction to that stimulus. He has a great amount of foresight on the actions, and the anticipatory responses that might result as he enters a situation. He can weigh the possibilities, outcomes, and consequences that might be effected in any given situation. Have you ever played chess with a Harvard grad, who is an expert on human behavior because it is RELEVANT to his ability to win? That person is a planner of extreme consequence – and with a relatively heightened sense of integrity and purpose in this formulation – is in the ostensive position to act as your facilitator, your rebuker, or your sentencer. We weren’t able to get this degree of talent and intellect from George Bush OR his cabinet appointees. So, in the very sense of entertaining caution in dealing with a purpose-minded Harvard Graduate, with a KNOWN propensity for getting things right on the first try; with a history of results-oriented outcomes; with a propensity to study, evaluate, assess, and THEN act upon the best scrutinized information and data possible; and given the high predictability of success after doing so – versus the previous administration who acted, then let the chips fall where they may…I would consider anything that THIS President does, a matter of more than extreme importance. For the consequences that you observe may be more damning due to your disrespect or unstudiedness than one might first believe is relevant. The catch-phrase and watchwords for those Republicans who fail to understand that they are NOW dealing with a personage of high intelligence, and extreme integrity might well be that, when dealing with THIS President, be ever mindful of what you say, how you respond, and how well studied you are on the matter-at-hand. There can be some real consequences to you and your party affiliation when you fail to do so. It is rare that not only does the President represent the people of his country, but that the people are also represented in good standing by their President. This country has a crisis! It erupted as a crisis in the integrity of our leadership in high places — up to and including the President. President Obama’s integrity speaks for itself. Those appointed their positions will have to maintain a level of integrity relevant to the importance of their representation of others who elected them. Republicans must know that their positions are on the chopping board with the American people. When do you begin to think or believe that a President with Obama’s high sensitivity to justice, propriety, and conscientious service to the American people might compromise your haphazard way of doling or meting out the duties you are charged with? He wields a double-edged sword…this is war-time…that sword has bullets. If you fail to duck the saber or dodge the ammunition during wartime, you might well become a victim of friendly fire. If you are lost, just remember this: He has already extended the hand of friendship, and made the gesture for inclusion. He’s been rebuked on that basic level, and his hand has been bitten. Where do you lie within that equation on the field of battle — friend or foe?
Jazz
January 25th, 2009 at 11:26 pmThis is Battle Chess.
Jazz
January 25th, 2009 at 11:36 pmWhat kind of article did you expect from such a liberal media outlet? As Americans I think we owe it to ourselves to understand multiple points of view. Can we belief the Huffington Post or Yahoo, to be unbiased in that regard?
January 25th, 2009 at 11:38 pmUnfortunately we can’t exactly spend our way out of a recession. especially if that money is spent on things that do not add to our production as a nation as a whole. By 2010 our national debt will be larger than our GNP, history has shown that this is a probable tipping point of economies. I like Obama’s enthusiasm, I just do not think that his “right wing” associates are anything more than puppets for the left. That wasn’t exactly a “who’s who” of progressive sort of republicans. This article leaves a bad taste in my mouth for 2 reasons, firstly the people involved are of no consequence. right wing hacks and media moguls that make the rest of us on the right look like jackasses if we were to be strictly represented by these hacks. And secondly, and way more importantly is the vulnerability of all that have responded so far to act harmoniously like sheep. I would like to see more critical thinking regarding the economic plan proposed by Obama, something that a bipartisan effort can effectively pass. If we are going to use the money for pork, we might as well just print it and burn it. These measures (bailouts, stimulus) smells of bacon. Real progress will be made as Obama keeps up the vigilence of transparency regarding our representative government. It isn’t a right/left thing, it is a pork/common sense thing. Obama can do it, i would just be very careful regarding pork and wasted money. in this respect i kind of agree with some of the dinner crowd.
January 25th, 2009 at 11:53 pmSimple translation of cutter?
If a GOoPer phucks up he wasn’t a “true conservative”.
Sorry troll. You guys took charge and everything went to Hell. You took responsibility, now take the blame.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:02 amcutter Says:
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Dude… you’re not making any sense.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:02 amThis is where all repugs mess up. Dems aren’t playing to repugs’ opposites. It’s not a thing of good v. bad, it’s commonsense v. bad. The opposite of corporate based US is not Citizen based US.
It’s a Constitutional based US.
It’s called the right way of governing our government and what’s good for our citizens and our country.
repugs and their corporate fluffing. It’s all for their self-interests.
repugs have a very paranoid, warped, narrow view of the world.
these lying stuff pompous washed-up has beens will be left in the dust.
BTW repugs–If “pork” generates jobs it isn’t pork, piggies.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:21 amLet’s get this straight. The economy does better with
Democratic Presidents (see Hoover- Roosevelt; Clinton – Bush
(both of them).
That’s because Democrats generally favor the people over the
the plutocrats. John Thain, late of Merrill Lynch, is a model
Republican – he spent over 1.2 million dollars redecorating
his offices ($87,000 for an “area rug” and over $24,000 for
drapes). Not to mention that he gave out 3-4 billion dollars
to employees before they were taken over by Bank of America.
And John McCain was seriously considering this greedy,
incompetent clown for Secretary of Treasury?!
That’s the Republicans in a nutshell — you don’t have to be
January 26th, 2009 at 12:30 amrich, greedy, stupid, bigoted, white, or incompetent to be a
Republican — but it definitely helps.
UH WAYNEBRO,
You are totally lying.
From Aetheist.org site:
http://www.atheists.org/atheism/About_Atheism
“Is Atheism a belief system or religion?
Theists usually define atheism incorrectly as a belief system. Atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is not a religion.
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, from the original Greek meaning of “without gods.” That is it. There is nothing more to it. If someone wrote a book titled “Atheism Defined,” it would only be one sentence long.”
January 26th, 2009 at 12:34 amPhuck these windbag wingnuts. These fools have had too much voice for far too long. It’s time to rip their heads off and crap down their throats.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:35 amwoodguy Says:
Thanks, Republic. In moments of heady granduer I sometimes fancy myself a linguist.
Are you a cunning linguist, or a cunilinguist?
January 26th, 2009 at 12:42 amThis is extremely scary. Very strong reactionist views from little people who fail to see the big picture, only seeing things as “bush did it”. People who would rather blame than contribute to change. I am thankful that our new president is not nearly as narrowminded as his faithful.
Look at yourselves. Your not even human anymore, you just want to attack people. You want to attack anyone that isn’t a liberal, as socialist, or anyone that gives any sympathy towards the right.
This is so damn scary. I am now learning the true evil of the left. I guess that is the internet for ya!
I support Obama. I could give a crap about you haters.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:57 amnow i am a piggy that has it all figured out???
you have no idea what i am. you think i am a piggy? haters, that is all you really are here. a bunch of haters.
FDR actually built stuff that contributed to society and the ecomomy. exactly what proposed infrastructure has you people so enamored with it? wooden bows and arrows and other pork just to pass a horrible bill with no thought with constant fear mongering to push it through, just like bush did???
if you want to talk issues, it is true, i might have some insight or genius that you speak of. if you want to hate, start at home.
i am not a repug, if that means republican. FDR, Jackson… those guys were presidents. that might give you a friggin clue.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:02 am“There’s a few friends in here…”
Waynebro/Bartlebee/Wayne, I have ‘recommended’ hundreds of your posts over the years, and will likely do so again if you ever come back.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:08 amwe all want change, and a multitrillion dollar stimulus package may not result in the change that we had desired. that is my only reason for signing up and making a reply to the right wing stimulus comments against Obama following their dinner. i didn’t come here to be called a pig, or a republican. i am neither. but i am not a flaming liberal scumbag either. i voted for Obama cause i think he is the man to make real change happen. but tax and spend has been tried before. if you must know because you apparently like to judge, i am social liberal/moderate and fiscally more conservative, but i don’t like labels so lets just leave things at i am a moderate democrate who supports obama and doesn’t support ultraliberal scumbags who support the wrong kind of change, the kind that results in lower output. i guess you can say everyone hates me.
go keep on hating instead of speaking up for your hard earned dollars. do you want to keep giving them to banks? the rich getting richer? what do you really want? cause i know what will happen with a huge stimulus package, the rich get richer, and the country gets poorer. privatized gains and socialized losses.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:13 amcutter:
You’re an apologist for a failed ideology. A stupid troll, by definition.
glezzery:
See above.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:15 amCutter:
Look at yourselves. Your not even human anymore, you just want to attack people. You want to attack anyone that isn’t a liberal, as socialist, or anyone that gives any sympathy towards the right.
Yup, the first step is always dehumanizing your victims.
The next, is to claim that you are in fact the victim.
Oldest scam in the world.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:15 amcan i ask you people a question?
are there always people like those above that constantly hate and do not discuss the issues? is it even worth it for me to try to contribute a discussion on the proposed stimulus packages upcoming? or no matter what i say do they just want to hate anybody that isn’t here bashing conservatives, neocons, bush supporters etc.
cause i am confused. i will gladly leave, but i thought this could be a place of information and not hate. thanks for your responses, it is possible i guess that there are just a few haters, and if that is the case just point them out and i will avoid reading or responding to them. i see some behavior of attacking the new guy, i swear i just found out about this responding stuff tonight after reading the yahoo news. am i simply in the wrong place? can you tell me where to take my ass?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:16 amTo Cutter:
We won the last election.
You are politically irrelevant.
Have a nice day.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:21 ami see i made a mistake, this is a waste of my time. it appears that most of you have banded together as ultra progressive, ultra liberal agendas and have no room for somebody that only partially agrees with your views. i guess you guys can argue amongst yourselves, it isn’t really fun to sit here and be ridiculed.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:21 amSo if Pres. Bush met with a bunch of dems that would mean that the dems would suddenly all immediately bow down and fall over themselves to adopt all of his ideas and programs? LIKE H-LL!
Obama is a Democrat and he was dining with Republicans, so you expect that just because he met with them they should all be so overcome with gratitude ans awe that they should all be immediately converted to Dummycratism? PUHLEEEEZE.
From all the vile comments, I can see that you poor pathetic little people have not taken your leader’s advice to be nice. Oops, I guess he meant that only the republicans should be nice. Well, we’ll try to be as gracious to your president as you were to ours. Bye Bye.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:24 ami guess you guys can argue amongst yourselves, it isn’t really fun to sit here and be ridiculed.
You brought this isolation upon yourself, by supporting a war criminal for eight years.
Deal with your own past bad judgement, before criticizing those who were right.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:26 amcutter Says:
By 2010 our national debt will be larger than our GNP, history has shown that this is a probable tipping point of economies. I like Obama’s enthusiasm, I just do not think that his “right wing” associates are anything more than puppets for the left…
By your own words be judged.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:27 amJuanita:
Same goes for you, sore loser.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:28 ami think juanita is going to get grilled far worse than I did :)
i was called a friggin bush apologist even though i never voted for bush in either election, nor his father, nor do i support his policies, and i don’t even know where barfly thought that i did.
this is an amazing place you guys got here.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:30 amglezzery Says:
Nice! Atheism is without belief in a deity, that is all. Add nihilism and thinking and progress and you have Churches burning!
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glezzery Says:
Gosh, the intelligence it took for that post!
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People who live in glass house… blah blah blah… huh, Glezz?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:35 amcutter says:
This article leaves a bad taste in my mouth for 2 reasons, firstly the people involved are of no consequence. right wing hacks and media moguls that make the rest of us on the right look like jackasses if we were to be strictly represented by these hacks.
You are represented by these hacks, and many that are far worse. As I said, “when a GOoPer phucks up”, you disown them. Face the facts, troll, your ideology has failed. Again.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:36 ami was called a friggin bush apologist even though i never voted for bush in either election, nor his father, nor do i support his policies, and i don’t even know where barfly thought that i did.
this is an amazing place you guys got here.
Cry me a river.
This is the Internet, little one; were one can claim anything and prove nothing.
Your rhetoric brands you as conservative, and your sloppy attempts at hiding that fact are indeed humorous.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:36 amcutter Says:
FDR actually built stuff that contributed to society and the ecomomy. exactly what proposed infrastructure has you people so enamored with it? wooden bows and arrows and other pork just to pass a horrible bill with no thought with constant fear mongering to push it through, just like bush did???
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See, cutter… this is the problem w/ what you’ve posted.
“wooden bows and arrows and other pork”???
WTF is that even supposed to mean?
I didn’t call you any names, but, dude, you’re not making any sense.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:39 amok wooden bows were given as a tax break to get oregon’s vote in the last bailout… a major company got a break on wooden bows and arrows to get their congressman to vote YES.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:41 amJuanita Says:
So if Pres. Bush met with a bunch of dems that would mean that the dems would suddenly all immediately bow down and fall over themselves to adopt all of his ideas and programs?
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Actually, they pretty much did, at first.
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Well, we’ll try to be as gracious to your president as you were to ours. Bye Bye.
Un Juanita? Geo W Bush’s highest approval as President: on 10/8-9/01, a whoppin’ 92% of us approved of him. We were gracious to him. Except for 8%, at the time. By the end?
So, please re-think that, and TRY TO MAKE SOME SENSE…
January 26th, 2009 at 1:43 amwe lost more freedoms under GWB than any other president since i have been alive. i am appalled to be called a bush apologist. however i am a fiscal conservative and that was probably how i stirred up the pot here, stimulus in the form that they exist now is not going to fix the problems of the economy. we need oversight and Obama is going to give that too us. we need transparency and again, giving it to us.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:44 amcutter Says:
ok wooden bows were given as a tax break to get oregon’s vote in the last bailout… a major company got a break on wooden bows and arrows to get their congressman to vote YES.
That would be the Bush administration-appropriated part?
Don’t you conservatives have to take responsibility for that?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:45 amMy, my!
What a wide variety of trolls we have. Con-trolls. Lib-trolls. Concern-trolls.
Though I can’t remember the source; it has been said that, “great things happen when EVERYONE gets mad”.
Well. Everyone’s mad, let us hope that great things happen.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:45 amok sorry following through on my promise, i didn’t mean to mess up the good club you guys got going on.
so i didn’t explain the bow and arrow thing right to get oregons vote, big deal, it is still pork and it is still the government ripping US off!
sorry that i can’t get into the club, it was nice however learning about hatred.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:46 amcutter Says:
sorry that i can’t get into the club, it was nice however learning about hatred.
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If you really want some hatred, I suggest little green footballs, or perhaps redstate.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:49 amI’ve been wrong lots of times. I could be wrong now. But, cutter still sounds like a troll. If I’m wrong? I apologize. Trolls blend together after awhile.
So, cutter, do you think that the bobble-heads quoted in the original article are accurately representing “conservatives” or, are they betraying the true mission of American “conservatism”.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:55 ami have been trying to post comments but it isn’t working, i hit submit… test!
January 26th, 2009 at 2:02 amcutter:
TP has a weird filter program. One example would be the word “an@l” and it’s derivations like “an@list” or “an@lysis”. The filter doesn’t like “b!tch” either.
Many of us have been victimized by the program. Don’t take it personally.
January 26th, 2009 at 2:21 amrhf:
It has been said that “great minds think alike”. And, apparently, so do ours.
LOL and such!
January 26th, 2009 at 2:26 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
I’ve seen more cogent writing from machine translated product manuals from asia!!
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Heh… some of those manuals are a HOOT…
January 26th, 2009 at 2:42 amI always have voted democratic. My IQ is 7.
January 26th, 2009 at 4:08 am——————————————————————————–
ponyboy Says:
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I always have voted democratic. My IQ is 7
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In your dreams.
January 26th, 2009 at 4:44 amcutter Says:
Oh BITE me you concern troll moron.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:06 ammbagrad02 Says:
I think most everyone is smarter than any idiot regurgitating that ignorant meme about generations of lazy people on wellfare. You brainwashed fools who worship at the alter of Ebeneezer Scrooge just repeat what you have been TOlD to believe. Even before wellfare reform the average stay on wellfare was 18 months. While there were always SOME people who took advantage of the system they were NEVER the norm you selfish prick. Its always the same bits of stupid from you wingnuts. Facts reality, these mean nothing they are always forgotten if they got in the way of what Rush TOLD you to think. Grow up. Think for yourself and stop wasting our time with these age old cliched and meaningless memes
January 26th, 2009 at 7:11 amStay golden ponyboy…
January 26th, 2009 at 9:22 amStatistics show that people with higher IQ’s vote democratic. Of course you don’t believe facts so……
January 26th, 2009 at 9:42 amponyboy Says: etc…
What’s your dogs IQ?
January 26th, 2009 at 9:48 amConservatives, who have no current credibility on economic issues after Bush’s disastrous 8 years, should be characterized as obstructionists. Obama and his economic team should begin to label these folks as “Hooverites.” That moniker carries a strong message.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:17 amNot true. That is a Republican talking point designed to reduce the amount of the package spent on infrastructure. There are thousands of “shovel ready” projects ready to go around the country just waiting for funding.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:43 amponyboy Says: I always have voted democratic. My IQ is 7.
No matter the IQ, the right choice was made. Besides, you probably got thrown out of the Republican party for having too high an IQ.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pmMan, such hatred. And here I thought it was we conservatives that were filled with rage.
Remind me not to accept any of your dinner invitations if the caveat is that I have to become slavishly loyal to your ideals and abandon my principles and do nothing but sing praises of you all day and night.
January 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pmBlooddraken, you misunderstand. It is the right wing conservatives that demand slavish loyalty and want people to abandon principles. You know, like shredding the US Constitution, political litmus test for DoJ, putting unqualified hacks in charge of critical agencies like FEMA (Brown anyone?). That horrible image you are seeing is not a window but a mirror.
January 26th, 2009 at 5:44 pmas opposed to shredding the First and Second Amendment, putting criminals in positions of authority, releasing enemy combatants that have proven themselves willing to going back to exactly what they were doing before we captured them in the first place, doubling the year’s governmental budget with but a single bill, ensure our continued dependence on foreign oil, etc…?
January 26th, 2009 at 5:55 pmBlooddraken says: as opposed to shredding the First and Second Amendment, putting criminals in positions of authority, releasing enemy combatants that have proven themselves willing to going back to exactly what they were doing before we captured them in the first place, doubling the year’s governmental budget with but a single bill, ensure our continued dependence on foreign oil, etc…?
Thanks for reminding me what else the right wing and Bush criminal administration has done. Their criminal activities go so deep it is difficult to keep up on all of it.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:23 pmAwww, such a cute trick, trying to twist my words against me because you can’t defend your Chosen One against them. My godson grew out of that when he was 5.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmI didn’t have to twist your words. They stand perfectly clear as they are. And when your bullshit is called, I see you revert to ad hominem attack. Probably doesn’t work with your godson either.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pmWhat’s the matter Blooddraken? Still waiting for more right wing talking points to be faxed to you? You should be careful though, they use the same ‘fact’ checkers as Beck.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pmBlooddraken, since you seem to be having a tough time coming up with names, here is a short list for you of the criminal scum from the Bush administration. No wonder your godson had to keep correcting you bullshit spin.
Indicted / Convicted/ Pled Guilty
Eric G. Andell
Claude Allen
Lester Crawford
Brian Doyle
Steven Griles
John T. Korsmo
Scooter Libby
David Safavian
Robert Stein
Roger Stillwell
Resigned Due to Investigation, Pending Investigation or Allegations of Impropriety
January 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pmPhilip Cooney
George Deutsch
Michael Elston
Kyle Dustin “Dusty” Foggo
Alberto Gonzales
Monica Goodling
Michelle Larson Korsmo
Howard “Cookie” Krongard
Julie Macdonald
Paul McNulty
Richard Perle
Susan Ralston
Janet Rehnquist
James Roche
Kyle Sampson –
Joseph Schmitz
Bradley Schlozman
Thomas Scully
David Smith
John Tanner
Sara Taylor
Ken Tomlinson
Carl Truscott
Paul Wolfowitz
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January 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pmMy goodness, such hostility towards each other…….makes me disappointed in our humanity and admittedly sad.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:10 amI don’t care for Krauthammer and have taken him on many times. To keep in accord with the tone of comments, Krauthammer, put a sock in that hate spewing hole in your head.
I would like to commend all who have been able to pursue higher learning. I know it’s n ot easy, and takes much tenac ity to keep at it, but in the long run, IT IS WORTH IT. Congratulations to all in their quest to better themselves intellectually!!
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