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	<title>Comments on: Former Bush Speechwriter: CIA Torturers Are &#8216;American Heroes&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: freytaz</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5459692</link>
		<dc:creator>freytaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I served in Vietnam &#039;66-&#039;67 as a scout with the 25th Inf. Div. Before going to Nam I was stationed in Hawaii, where my Div. was considered the only jungle trained outfit in the Army at that time. We were trained to resist certain torture techniques like the infamous Chinese water torture chest where you were placed in a bamboo box standing up arms at your side so you could not move them. Then they would drip water on your head drip by drip with mosquitoes biting at you and you couldn&#039;t move to scratch. You could only move your head. Drip by drip by drip, until your head felt like it was going to explode, and you were going crazy. Would this Thiesenn ass-hole think that this was not torture if it were done to him?  And that the people who were doing it were heroes? Probably yes, but these people who only pay lip service to things that they have no concept of, and have not served their country in the armed services, will always think this way. And any of you people who think that torture saves lives, when the opposite has been proven to be true are just plain uninformed morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served in Vietnam &#8216;66-&#8217;67 as a scout with the 25th Inf. Div. Before going to Nam I was stationed in Hawaii, where my Div. was considered the only jungle trained outfit in the Army at that time. We were trained to resist certain torture techniques like the infamous Chinese water torture chest where you were placed in a bamboo box standing up arms at your side so you could not move them. Then they would drip water on your head drip by drip with mosquitoes biting at you and you couldn&#8217;t move to scratch. You could only move your head. Drip by drip by drip, until your head felt like it was going to explode, and you were going crazy. Would this Thiesenn ass-hole think that this was not torture if it were done to him?  And that the people who were doing it were heroes? Probably yes, but these people who only pay lip service to things that they have no concept of, and have not served their country in the armed services, will always think this way. And any of you people who think that torture saves lives, when the opposite has been proven to be true are just plain uninformed morons.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5459692', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458944</link>
		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;drick23 Says:

sounds like you are the racist. get it right im not the monkey obama is.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s funny right there, I don&#039;t care who you are...

Republican talking point memo tactic: if they call you racist, call them racist for calling you racist.  Unfortunately drick screwed it up by tacking a racist statement on to the end of it, which is awesome.

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&lt;em&gt;contendre Says: 

you do it anyway. then,you turn self into the nearest federal court. then,it wouldn’t be just the rule of law standing.&lt;/em&gt;

Sure.  Setting aside how ineffective torture is - especially in a &quot;ticking bomb&quot; scenario, and setting aside that those scenarios never happen, if you believe it&#039;s the right thing to do regardless of the law, then you should submit to the legal penalty for doing it.  No Republican is actually willing to do that, or allow it to be done to their sadistic heroes.

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&lt;em&gt;drick23 Says: 

thumbs up for tortue if it saves us. &lt;/em&gt;

What if it doesn&#039;t?  Where does your thumb go then?  Back in your mouth?

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&lt;em&gt;drick23 Says: 

whats wrong with a little water boarding? &lt;/em&gt;

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It&#039;s bad.

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&lt;em&gt;drick23 Says: 

i guess all the left are neutered.&lt;/em&gt;

If by that term you mean &quot;have moral standards and values,&quot; then yes.  Of course the villian always claims that the hero&#039;s morality is a form of weakness, shortly before the villian dias.

By the way, what would you call somebody who&#039;s so cowardly he&#039;d have others commit evil acts in his name rather than take a hypothetically slightly higher risk of dying for his country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>drick23 Says:</p>
<p>sounds like you are the racist. get it right im not the monkey obama is.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny right there, I don&#8217;t care who you are&#8230;</p>
<p>Republican talking point memo tactic: if they call you racist, call them racist for calling you racist.  Unfortunately drick screwed it up by tacking a racist statement on to the end of it, which is awesome.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>contendre Says: </p>
<p>you do it anyway. then,you turn self into the nearest federal court. then,it wouldn’t be just the rule of law standing.</em></p>
<p>Sure.  Setting aside how ineffective torture is &#8211; especially in a &#8220;ticking bomb&#8221; scenario, and setting aside that those scenarios never happen, if you believe it&#8217;s the right thing to do regardless of the law, then you should submit to the legal penalty for doing it.  No Republican is actually willing to do that, or allow it to be done to their sadistic heroes.</p>
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<p><em>drick23 Says: </p>
<p>thumbs up for tortue if it saves us. </em></p>
<p>What if it doesn&#8217;t?  Where does your thumb go then?  Back in your mouth?</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>drick23 Says: </p>
<p>whats wrong with a little water boarding? </em></p>
<p>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><em>drick23 Says: </p>
<p>i guess all the left are neutered.</em></p>
<p>If by that term you mean &#8220;have moral standards and values,&#8221; then yes.  Of course the villian always claims that the hero&#8217;s morality is a form of weakness, shortly before the villian dias.</p>
<p>By the way, what would you call somebody who&#8217;s so cowardly he&#8217;d have others commit evil acts in his name rather than take a hypothetically slightly higher risk of dying for his country?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458944', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: rmwarnick</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458910</link>
		<dc:creator>rmwarnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to our heroic torturers, the Justice Department that covered for them, and the Congress that refused to impeach anybody, many millions more people around the world hate America.

Even our friends and allies wonder what happened to this country&#039;s commitment to justice and human rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to our heroic torturers, the Justice Department that covered for them, and the Congress that refused to impeach anybody, many millions more people around the world hate America.</p>
<p>Even our friends and allies wonder what happened to this country&#8217;s commitment to justice and human rights.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458910', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Georgette Orwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgette Orwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dick23, besides the fact that it&#039;s immoral, illegal, and just plain wrong, there probably isn&#039;t much wrong with torture &quot;if  it saves us.&quot; The problem is that it not only 
doesn&#039;t save us, it incites more hatred and violence against us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dick23, besides the fact that it&#8217;s immoral, illegal, and just plain wrong, there probably isn&#8217;t much wrong with torture &#8220;if  it saves us.&#8221; The problem is that it not only<br />
doesn&#8217;t save us, it incites more hatred and violence against us.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458808', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pbg</title>
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		<dc:creator>pbg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to terror trolls #4:

If torturing and raping the suspects naked children in front of his eyes  works, why not use it?
American lives might be at stake!</description>
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<p>If torturing and raping the suspects naked children in front of his eyes  works, why not use it?<br />
American lives might be at stake!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458574', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Patriot Acting</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458560</link>
		<dc:creator>A Patriot Acting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drick23 Says:
&quot;whats wrong with a little water boarding?&quot;

Hmm, let&#039;s start with the little problem of breaking about four treaties that the US signed stating that we would never torture and if it did happen, we would prosecute. Let&#039;s follow with the minor inconvenience of the legal uselessness of confessions obtained through this technique. They are inadmissible as evidence in court. Followed closely by the widely reported fact that waterboarding DOES NOT lead to legitimate intel. And then there is that other minor inconvenience...that the fact that we have used this technique has been a great recruiting tool for our enemies. Gee, I can&#039;t come up with ONE positive thing to come from from the use of this extreme act of lawlessness. Oh yeah, it DID give the Bush Administration plenty of excuses to raise the National Security Threat Level, which helped attention away from whatever WH scandal that was about to dominate the news cycle at the time. Hmm, was that really a POSITIVE thing for America or just for the WH/neocons???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drick23 Says:<br />
&#8220;whats wrong with a little water boarding?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, let&#8217;s start with the little problem of breaking about four treaties that the US signed stating that we would never torture and if it did happen, we would prosecute. Let&#8217;s follow with the minor inconvenience of the legal uselessness of confessions obtained through this technique. They are inadmissible as evidence in court. Followed closely by the widely reported fact that waterboarding DOES NOT lead to legitimate intel. And then there is that other minor inconvenience&#8230;that the fact that we have used this technique has been a great recruiting tool for our enemies. Gee, I can&#8217;t come up with ONE positive thing to come from from the use of this extreme act of lawlessness. Oh yeah, it DID give the Bush Administration plenty of excuses to raise the National Security Threat Level, which helped attention away from whatever WH scandal that was about to dominate the news cycle at the time. Hmm, was that really a POSITIVE thing for America or just for the WH/neocons???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458560', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sectionop92</title>
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		<dc:creator>sectionop92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The Republic of Stupidity Says:&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;contendre Says:&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;what has always struck as strange about the “ticking bomb” scenario is that no one sees the other option.&lt;/em&gt;
____________

&lt;em&gt;Every acknowledged expert who talks about this says the same thing…&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;The only place the “ticking bomb” scenario ever happens is in movies and on “24?.&lt;/em&gt;

The Republicans sure were silent when the ticking time-bomb scenarios came up in the 1960&#039;s in the James Bond movies like Thunderball and You Only Live Twice and then again in the 1980&#039;s in the Thunderball remake, Never Say Never Again.  Then again in WarGames.  Then again in every superhero comic book known to mankind.  Dennis Hopper sure made the ticking time-bomb scenario a nightmare for commuters in the early 1990&#039;s...etc, etc.

But with 24, I just guess the Republicans think it is safe to watch the liberal network TV cabal again after all these years.  They can only watch so many Andy Griffith Show, Dean Martin celebrity roasts and Lawrence Welk DVD&#039;s over and over again.</description>
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<p><em>contendre Says:</em></p>
<p><em>what has always struck as strange about the “ticking bomb” scenario is that no one sees the other option.</em><br />
____________</p>
<p><em>Every acknowledged expert who talks about this says the same thing…</em></p>
<p><em>The only place the “ticking bomb” scenario ever happens is in movies and on “24?.</em></p>
<p>The Republicans sure were silent when the ticking time-bomb scenarios came up in the 1960&#8217;s in the James Bond movies like Thunderball and You Only Live Twice and then again in the 1980&#8217;s in the Thunderball remake, Never Say Never Again.  Then again in WarGames.  Then again in every superhero comic book known to mankind.  Dennis Hopper sure made the ticking time-bomb scenario a nightmare for commuters in the early 1990&#8217;s&#8230;etc, etc.</p>
<p>But with 24, I just guess the Republicans think it is safe to watch the liberal network TV cabal again after all these years.  They can only watch so many Andy Griffith Show, Dean Martin celebrity roasts and Lawrence Welk DVD&#8217;s over and over again.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458432', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drick23 Says: 
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Spoken like the ignorant soulless punk you are. Rightwing morons like you are BRAINLESS, soulless, hearless and completely without decency</description>
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Spoken like the ignorant soulless punk you are. Rightwing morons like you are BRAINLESS, soulless, hearless and completely without decency<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458420', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture works about as well as taking a crap in the punch bowl. A bit of temporary relief, but it is humiliating, smells bad and pretty much ruins the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture works about as well as taking a crap in the punch bowl. A bit of temporary relief, but it is humiliating, smells bad and pretty much ruins the party.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458362', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Look</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Look</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he does protest toooooooo much!
Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen should be front and center in any investigation into torture; it appears his fervor speaks volumes. It should be an interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he does protest toooooooo much!<br />
Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen should be front and center in any investigation into torture; it appears his fervor speaks volumes. It should be an interesting read.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458294', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dirk, oops sorry drick
Torture doesn&#039;t work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dirk, oops sorry drick<br />
Torture doesn&#8217;t work<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458232', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayne A. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne A. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These Jack Bauer lovers always try to justify the use of torture when there&#039;s a &quot;ticking time bomb scenario.&quot;  The problem is that torture &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; been used (Bush admitting waterboarding KSM, which is a confession to a war crime) and yet there were never any &quot;ticking time bombs&quot;.  Therefore, the entire justification for using torture was never met.  Besides being a war crime, it makes the use of torture against KSM morally reprehensible and sadistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These Jack Bauer lovers always try to justify the use of torture when there&#8217;s a &#8220;ticking time bomb scenario.&#8221;  The problem is that torture <em>has</em> been used (Bush admitting waterboarding KSM, which is a confession to a war crime) and yet there were never any &#8220;ticking time bombs&#8221;.  Therefore, the entire justification for using torture was never met.  Besides being a war crime, it makes the use of torture against KSM morally reprehensible and sadistic.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458220', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458156</link>
		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>contendre Says:

what has always struck as strange about the “ticking bomb” scenario is that no one sees the other option.
____________

Every acknowledged expert who talks about this says the same thing...

The only place the &quot;ticking bomb&quot; scenario ever happens is in movies and on &quot;24&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>contendre Says:</p>
<p>what has always struck as strange about the “ticking bomb” scenario is that no one sees the other option.<br />
____________</p>
<p>Every acknowledged expert who talks about this says the same thing&#8230;</p>
<p>The only place the &#8220;ticking bomb&#8221; scenario ever happens is in movies and on &#8220;24&#8243;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458156', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Republic of Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drick23 Says:

whats wrong with a little water boarding?
____________

Nothing, I suppose, if you don&#039;t mind being in the same class w/ the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, and the Inquisition.

High school dropout by any chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drick23 Says:</p>
<p>whats wrong with a little water boarding?<br />
____________</p>
<p>Nothing, I suppose, if you don&#8217;t mind being in the same class w/ the Khmer Rouge, the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, and the Inquisition.</p>
<p>High school dropout by any chance?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458146', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>contendre Says: 
The truth is even under the ticking bomb scenario why wouldnt he just LIE? You STOP torturing him since you have no way of knowing if its true until you check it out. While you are checking the bomb goes off. His job is done. There is no rational appology for torture. The rightwing just learned everything they know about foriegn policy from watching old John Wayne movie and masterbating to Red Dawn</description>
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The truth is even under the ticking bomb scenario why wouldnt he just LIE? You STOP torturing him since you have no way of knowing if its true until you check it out. While you are checking the bomb goes off. His job is done. There is no rational appology for torture. The rightwing just learned everything they know about foriegn policy from watching old John Wayne movie and masterbating to Red Dawn<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458126', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458114</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drick23 Says: 


You are a liar. I mean when you say you think. You dont THINK, you repeat, thinking is far above your capabilities. You havent got the requisite equipment, by which I mean a functional cerebral cortex. How could it be racist? I have no way of knowing what color you are, I only know how STUPID you are and you are much stupider than a mere retarded child. You are clearly a racist moron. Anyone can see that.</description>
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<p>You are a liar. I mean when you say you think. You dont THINK, you repeat, thinking is far above your capabilities. You havent got the requisite equipment, by which I mean a functional cerebral cortex. How could it be racist? I have no way of knowing what color you are, I only know how STUPID you are and you are much stupider than a mere retarded child. You are clearly a racist moron. Anyone can see that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458114', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: contendre</title>
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		<dc:creator>contendre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what has always struck as strange about the &quot;ticking bomb&quot; scenario is that no one sees the other option.Your a cop, an m.p.something like that,suppose, after some misgiving, you decide you must torture a suspect, the threat is real the clock is ticking and the info isn&#039;t going to come anyway other way. or so it seems.it sucks. you do it anyway. then,you turn self into the nearest federal court. then,it wouldn&#039;t be just the rule of law standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what has always struck as strange about the &#8220;ticking bomb&#8221; scenario is that no one sees the other option.Your a cop, an m.p.something like that,suppose, after some misgiving, you decide you must torture a suspect, the threat is real the clock is ticking and the info isn&#8217;t going to come anyway other way. or so it seems.it sucks. you do it anyway. then,you turn self into the nearest federal court. then,it wouldn&#8217;t be just the rule of law standing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458098', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458074</link>
		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican heros? Yes. Normal people? No.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican heros? Yes. Normal people? No.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458074', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458068</link>
		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that makes the SS German heros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that makes the SS German heros.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458068', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/26/mark-thiessen-bush/comment-page-2/#comment-5458062</link>
		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>get it right im not the monkey obama is.
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Are you the one whose genetic fitness precludes you from securing any social standing and by extension matings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>get it right im not the monkey obama is.<br />
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Are you the one whose genetic fitness precludes you from securing any social standing and by extension matings?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5458062', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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