1 in 4 Americans believe the Bush administration committed war crimes.
By on Jan 26th, 2009 at 11:45 am
1 in 4 Americans believe the Bush administration committed war crimes.
In a new telephone survey, Rasmussen Reports has found that 25 percent of voters “believe President Bush and senior members of his administration are guilty of war crimes.” Forty-four percent of Democrats and 21 percent of unaffiliated voters believe that war crimes were committed while just 4 percent of Republicans believe the same.
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They forgot to call me.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:46 amand 3 out 4 americans were unavailable for comment
January 26th, 2009 at 11:50 amAll four have their phones tapped.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:53 amIsrael committed war crimes too, don’t forget them.
¶ AIO
January 26th, 2009 at 11:54 amThe other three thought he was a simple mass murderer.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:54 amyou mean there are 225 million completely stoooopid Americans?
i’d say that’s a bit high….it’s usually an institutionalized 30%
January 26th, 2009 at 11:56 amThis scares me, that only 25% think that the former regime committed war crimes. Perhaps if the media accurately reported on what exactly the Bush Administration did and then accurately defined what a war crime was/is, then this percentage would surely go up.
As long as the media continues to enable the former regime, we’ll never have a full accounting of what happened….
January 26th, 2009 at 11:57 amThere’s the “numerous” reasons why the Dims CANNOT prosecute the Buszheviks.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:57 am46% of those voting in the recent ‘election’ voted FOR Bushevism, or at least AGAINST Prez.O.
That’s what I’ve been saying about him NOT having the mandate the Dims would like to think he has. You need at least a three-to-two advantage to do anything REALLY progressive or corrective, either, for that matter…
Why does this not surprise me?
January 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pmThere’s the “numerous” reasons why the Dims CANNOT prosecute the Buszheviks.
If they’re guilty of war crimes it’s not really up to the Democrats.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:01 pmWait ’til Bush or Cheney travels to Spain now that their diplomatic immunity has expired and I think you’ll see who can and will prosecute them.
44% of Democrats….2% of Republicans
Well, at least only a little over half of us Democrats have our heads up our *sses.
98% of Republicans, though, suffer from rectal cranium insertion – lower than I would have guessed.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:03 pmThat’s a higher number than his approval ratings !
I’m convinced the majority of Americans are emotionally and intellectually lazy. I’m confident that as more and more of the OUTRAGEOUS crap comes out the louder the evidence becomes, the higher the percentage of people who will want justice.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:06 pmABC News Poll. Latest: Conducted Monday night, August 17, 1998.
“If he does not resign, do you think Congress should or should not impeach Clinton and remove him from office?”
Should impeach 25
Should not 69
No opinion 6
Reagan sold arms to Iran to fund an illegal war. W conducted an illegal war that strengthened Iran. Both violated the constitution. Clinton runs the govt at a surplus and creates 20 million jobs and they try to impeach him for lying about cheating on his wife. If a quarter of the country thinks W committed war crimes the dems better grow a nut and make sure he is in prison by Obama’s next term.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:06 pm#10: “Wait ’til Bush or Cheney travels to Spain now that their diplomatic immunity has expired and I think you’ll see who can and will prosecute them”
Unforunately, that will be a long wait. Bush never left the country before he was Prez and Cheney was no globetrotter either.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:06 pmwindsor Says:
53% of those polled believe that Zero is a Muslim and doesn’t have a valid birth certificate.
Did you conduct that poll before or after you prayed for the Rapture?
January 26th, 2009 at 12:12 pmThey didn’t count the Million+ Iraqis who could testify as to bush’s guilt, (using white phosphorous in Fallujah, Blackwater death squads, illegal invasion, killing women and children, etc.)…unfortunately, they’re all dead.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:13 pmThis poll illustrates why we need a special prosecutor, a commission or SOMEBODY to investigate the Bush administration.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pmWould be interested to know, of the other 75%, what proportion don’t know that Chimp tortured, and what proportion did not know that torture was a war crime.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pmI’m disappointed the number isn’t higher.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:17 pmRepublicans are morally deficient people. All of them.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm53% of those polled believe that Zero is a Muslim and doesn’t have a valid birth certificate.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm—-
How many of these same idiots think Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 911, that Al Gore every said he invented the internet, and that Clinton staffers vandalized the WH?
of course only 4% of Rethugs believe Bushies committed war crimes, that’s about the same percentage of Nazis in 1946 believed the same thing of the Hitler regime.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pmOf course the poll was taken from TV zoombies that eat up
January 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pmthe Corporate selected and filtered news. They still
believe that the professional demolition of 9-11
wss done by foreign terrorist.
No, I don’t think it does. Shall we take a poll? See polls can be very useful when properly designed and executed.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pmIf 25% think that he *DID* commit war crimes, there is probably a sizeable percentage in the don’t know or open to the possibility.
Under such a sizeable doubt, as the article indicates, there is a lot of reason to clear the air by holding war crime investigations.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:26 pmKinda makes the point about polls and idiots that get all excited about it doesn’t it.
Only if there are such idiots, who would get excited over a 1-in-4 poll – other than a sour-grapes, repudiated republican, that is.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:26 pmSelective calls used once again. To bad all the proof and evidence is out there for all to see. If Americans don’t think Bush committed War Crimes then that conduct will be done to Americans. Then let’s see what the polls say.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmJackie; The proof IS out there for everyone to see. The fact that so many don’t see it is that they DON’T want to see it.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see
January 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmOh and windsor, you’re way OT and FLAGGED.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmI beg to differ, there are many, many things that make windsor and idiot.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:41 pmI would NOT be counted among the 25%. If I were asked to respond to a poll question about such guilt, I would not pronounce BushCo guilty without a trial. However, in general conversation I am more than willing to say Bush committed war crimes.
The fact that 25% of Americans would pronounce BushCo as guilty is incredibly high, IMHO.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:42 pmPoor windsor, still trying to defend his court-appointed dictator and is SOOOO afraid that something will happen to his evil god, Dubya.
Gotta suck to still believe; BTW, do you still believe in Santa ….. the Easter Bunny ……. anything the rusher says?
Just curious.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:46 pm1 in four – and this is what the public thinks when the mainstream media and even much of the bloggosphere does not talk about these issues.
If their was an open, honest dialog about US and International laws and what this president has done in our name, the numbers would be much higher.
Using depleted uranium weapons, which poison entire regions of the world for generations, is a clear example of a war crime. Sadly, there are many more.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:49 pm3 in four have not been paying attention.
Bush/Cheney are WAR CRIMINALS.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:58 pmFree,
January 26th, 2009 at 1:03 pmImmunity for
Spying on
Americans
The poll is probably a phony one used to try and get us to look forward and forget the past eight years.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pmIn a new telephone survey, Rasmussen Reports has found that 25 percent of voters “believe President Bush and senior members of his administration are guilty of war crimes.”
Other results of the poll showed that 23 percent of voters believe Bush is still President, while 52 percent of voters told the surveyor to never call again while “Dancing with the Stars” was on TV.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pmwindsor,
sounds like you have your pink running shorts up your crack a little too far this morning?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmDamn windsock! We really don’t need any descriptions of what you do when all alone in your mother’s basement!
January 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmwindsor Says:
(in my best Richard Simmons voice, while prancing about) FLAGGED! FLAGGED! YOU ARE SO FLAGGED!!
January 26th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
That’s a good impression of Richard Simmons. I can tell you practice — A LOT.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmOnly 25%?
Fox, Lintball, et al. must be pretty effective; Bush&Co have admitted they used torture (as defined by the international community), and only 1 in 4 believe it is so?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pmto patrioticliberalchristian
bush DID commit war crimes, all you have to do is read international law and then look at bush’s actions, he is very clearly guilty.
o.j. simpson had a trial and was found innocent, but we all know he was a murder. in your humble opinion is oj just as innocent as bush or more innocent because the courts found him to be just that.
if you put all your trust in the courts you need to study your history and realize that the courts often let off murders and theives for political reasons…. like all the cops who have gotten off for murdering minorities over the years and continue to do so. that doesn’t mean they aren’t GUILTY of the crimes they are accused of.
lets be real here come on. have some conviction and stand up against a corrupt system, its the only way it’ll ever change. be a patriot.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pmBush&Co lie so much that most people don’t believe them even when they are admitting to international war crimes.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pmOnly 25%? That’s because of the Right Wing Propaganda slime machine called Fox (Lies) News and the army of Wingnut Talking Banana Heads who spew BS, misinformation and lies across the airwaves.
Time to put them out of business and restore some sanity back to the American people.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:26 pm1 in 4 are idiots and believe in vast conspiracy theories.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pmflex Says:
Wow! What an ignoramus! If we did what this fool proposes, then I guess we can anticipate the Thought Police knocking on our doors to make sure we believe the right things, eh flex?…
January 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmWho said this was a conspiracy? There is nothing secret about it. Bush and Cheney freely admit that they authorized torture. That isn’t conspiracy, it’s policy.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThey don’t have to. In case you didn’t hear, the Bush administration was wiretapping all of us for 8 years.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:33 pmJT…I believe the site you are looking for is realclearpolitics.com, or redstate.org. Hit the road, moran (sic)!
January 26th, 2009 at 1:34 pmcalavzma Says:
to patrioticliberalchristian
bush DID commit war crimes, all you have to do is read international law and then look at bush’s actions, he is very clearly guilty.
be a patriot.
You sound a lot like BushCo and their justification for declaring the Gitmo detainees as “terrorists”. As for your “be a patriot” comment, I’ve had enough of that in the past eight years as well.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:34 pmproject much?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pmJT’s just worried that someone might find out he’s one of the right-wing whackos who gets off to torture.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:40 pmPLC, may I suggest you take your concern-trolling garbage and get the hell out?
January 26th, 2009 at 1:42 pm100% of people from outside the USA “believe President Bush and senior members of his administration are guilty of war crimes.”
January 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pmThere is plenty of evidence and their confessions are on the record!
Indict, prosecute and execute by hanging!
In the eyes of civil society they sure did commit war crimes.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:48 pmWhether America’s justice system adheres to dictates of a civil law society is questionable. Two systems of law, one protecting power, does not make for a civil society.
Criminals, whether presidents or terrorists must be afforded the same prosecution under the law of the people.
Criminals under the law are criminals, period. Try them with equal judgement.
PLC, may I suggest you take your concern-trolling garbage and get the hell out?
WOW! Apparently someone has not been around very long to read my posts. I am far from a concern-troll. And, no, I am staying around. But, thank you for your “concern” suggestion.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:53 pmIf the US does not prosecute Bush/Chenney & Co. for War Crimes, Obama CAN forget restoring America’s moral stand in the international community! Yes he can!
January 26th, 2009 at 1:55 pmIt will be a disgrace to have someone outside the US doing the indictments and prosecutions because the US didn’t…
And apparently somebody doesn’t understand the concept of concern trolling. But please, continue acting like a self-righteous jackass; it just reinforces what you criminal-supporters are like.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pmGiven how minimal the press coverage of this issue has been, I think this number is HUGE and encouraging. Imagine what the percentage would be if the media treating war crimes as the legitimate question that it is rather than dismissing it as a subject of deranged tin-foil-hatters and Bush-haters.
If war-crimes exist as something from which our world could suffer, then the trial of Bush and the rest of his administration must go forward. We must examine his actions against that standard and punish him when it is proven he is guilty.
January 26th, 2009 at 2:00 pmi couldn’t be more the opposite i’m encouraging you to stand up for the rule of law and respect for the international community. justification for gitmo flies in the face of international law
you expressed that you do agree that he’s guilty in casual conversation but won’t take a stand against a corrupt system.
i’m not asking you to be a patriot because i disagree with you, its because i agree with your “casual” beliefs but not with you apathy and benign acceptance of the legal system.
you should stand behind what you believe is right when there is blatant and obvious corruption. and in this case all you have to do is read the documents and look at the history to see that laws have been broken and no justice has been served.
stand up and take a strong stance instead of agreeing with both sides of the argument.
there’s no progress in that, especially when one side is so clearly wrong. BUSH IS A CRIMINAL!
January 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pmJT Says:
flex Says:
Only 25%? That’s because of the Right Wing Propaganda slime machine called Fox (Lies) News and the army of Wingnut Talking Banana Heads who spew BS, misinformation and lies across the airwaves.
Time to put them out of business and restore some sanity back to the American people.
Wow! What an ignoramus! If we did what this fool proposes, then I guess we can anticipate the Thought Police knocking on our doors to make sure we believe the right things, eh flex?…
January 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pm—————–
JT, get your head out of your ass~! I’m talking about lying, big mouth. Lying is Wrong, Spin and Bullshit are for cowards and traitors…
superid Says: Reagan sold arms to Iran to fund an illegal war. W conducted an illegal war that strengthened Iran. Both violated the constitution. Clinton runs the govt at a surplus and creates 20 million jobs and they try to impeach him for lying about cheating on his wife. If a quarter of the country thinks W committed war crimes the dems better grow a nut and make sure he is in prison by Obama’s next term.
Sums it up nicely: for 8 years, I’ve been trying to answer variations on this question: “Why are you so hard on Bush? How come you’re not condemning Clinton? He LIED to the American people!” Without going into specifics about BushCo’s lies, I’ve usually been able to shut the questioners up, even if only temporarily, with this response: “President Clinton’s lies didn’t cause any deaths.” Am I in favor of adultery or of lying? No. Do I think it’s ANYWHERE nearly so serious as the BushCo lies [plural] which have caused over 100,000 deaths? Not in a neocon’s wildest dreams.
January 26th, 2009 at 2:45 pmHow can those who elected BushCo twice [well, if we can call those fiascos "elections"] possibly admit, even to themselves, that they knowingly re-elected a criminal? How could they continue to justify their corporate hatred of progressives? How could they live with what their golden boy has done TO–not “for,” TO–their country? No wonder they’re in denial. And we should not be in the least surprised by that; they’ve BEEN in denial for many years.
Pollsters neglected to call me or ANY of my Dem/progressive/liberal friends and family, by the way. . . and I have them from coast to coast. . .
January 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pmshoeless, you’re gonna get me kicked out of my apartment–my next-door neighbor must sleep during the day, which she cannot do over my guffawing when I read your posts. Love ‘em!
January 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pmcalavzma, patrioticLiberalChristian did NOT say that Bush was innocent. He/she merely affirmed the rule of law [which BushCo has totally ignored] that considers a person innocent until proven guilty. He/she states clearly that in private conversation, he/she will readily share the opinion that BushCo DID commit war crimes. To respond otherwise in a poll that does not offer a “personal opinion” column is to treat justice as cavalierly as BushCo has treated it.
IN MY OPINION, BushCo is guilty of hideous war crimes. But, as a citizen, I would NOT serve on a jury which had to rule on that fact, because my PERSONAL opinion has been solidifying for several years: I could not, in good conscience, say that I was an impartial juror.
January 26th, 2009 at 3:01 pmOK, calavzma, you win. I hereby declare Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice guilty of war crimes and sentence them to hanging by noon tomorrow.
January 26th, 2009 at 3:02 pmcalavzma says “i’m not asking you to be a patriot because i disagree with you, its because i agree with your “casual” beliefs but not with you apathy and benign acceptance of the legal system.”
Abiding by a legal system does NOT equal apathy! PLC has repeatedly stated, VERY uncasually, some strong beliefs about the corporate guilt of BushCo. If the legal system itself is corrupt, as you insist, that is a SEPARATE problem; it needs to be attacked separately. PLC is proving by his/her actions that concerned citizens DO need to acknowledge the rule of law. . . and acknowledging it could very well mean attacking or remedying it as necessary.
To advocate ignoring the rule of law as you have just done inadvertently mirrors the self-justifying “reasoning” of BushCo: “Well, the rules SHOULD allow unlimited Presidential power in time of need. They SHOULD allow lying to the public ‘in the public’s best interests.’ They SHOULD allow dumping the Constitution if we decide that it’s best to do that. They SHOULD allow warrantless wiretapping so that we can ‘protect the country.’ They SHOULD allow bidless contracting in Iraq. They SHOULD allow the A.G.’s office to dismiss ‘misfits.’”
No, you do NOT have the stench of BushCo about you–but do, please, think carefully when you advocate flying in the face of what legal systems we DO have. You don’t “walk like a duck, swim like a duck, or eat like a duck”–but, in this post, you DO sound like one.
January 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pmHere is a simple idea . . . we have all this “doubt” as to them being international terrorists and war criminals . . . so, why not lock them up in Gitmo for a couple years while we investigate and gather evidence to see if they ARE??
It is going to be empty soon and I believe the Dick said it was something like a tropical country club (with water sports facilities!) so it won’t go to waste . . . I know I’d feel safe with them sitting in tiger cages waiting for the evidence to be gathered to see if we are justified in holding them . . .
January 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pmDo the rest think that bush just didn’t torture, or that torture is ok, as long as it’s white folks torturing the swarthy ones?
January 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pmwindsor Says:
WOW even for someone as stupid as you the birth certificate thing is just looney. Time to increase your medication fool
January 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pmJT Says:
You are a fool. Bush and Cheney ARE war criminals its just that simple. Our OWN tribunal at Nuremberg said starting a war of aggression was the Supreme War Crime. Bush and Darth Cheney LIED to start a war of agression then authorized torture. You are stupid if you think those are conspricy theories.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:11 pmAre the 245 prisoners at Gitmo the original 245, or do we get a fresh supply of prisoners daily?
If they are the original 245 and we’ve been attempting to get info since 2001..hasn’t the info they have/ had obsolete?
What about the supply to the “cia” prisons on foreign soil…do they get a fresh supply of prisoners daily?
What happens to these “cia” prisoners?….. if Gitmo closes…will they be going to the U.S. as well if that’s what’s decided?
Do we just shoot them all and call the game?
Didn’t we house German POWs in WWII (yes we did) Did any of them escape
January 26th, 2009 at 6:49 pmand create a little nazi regimes here in America?? Some of them must have escaped and fathered people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, so maybe we should euthanize them just for safety’s sake..
i did not say to ignore the rule of law, i’m not here saying we should go and enact our own punnishments on bush.
but if he was found not guilty of war crimes in the face of all the evidence, just as oj simpson was found not guilty of murder despite all the evidence and as many a white person who murdered a black person throughout a great portion of our history has been found not guilty despite all the evidence, i would know better. we all know better if we acknowledge the laws objectively.
the man is guilty. HE IS!
is it wrong for people to protest the passage of proposition 9 in california (which is clearly unconstitutional) despite the fact that it is now the rule of law.
there is such a thing as a bad law, there is such a thing as a bad verdict, and there is such a thing as an absence of justice.
in the case of our former president, there is an absence of justice. we should be loud about it if you really believe it.
i’m not talking about violence, but to sit idly by while people’s rights are trampled (and yes iraqi’s are people and they do have rights granted to them in the bill of human rights supported by the UN)in the name of respect for the rule of law. i ask you what rule of law? i’m only calling for justice on something we all agree he’s guilty of.
the question was do you think george bush is guilty of war crimes. it was an opinion poll, in PLC’s opinion bush is guilty of war crimes. my point is that he/she would (well should) fall into that 24%
there is a difference between respecting the rule of law and sitting idly by and claiming to have no official (would public be a better word) opinion on a travesty of justice.
its that sort of passive thinking that will lead to bush never facing a trial, because there won’t be one unless we call for it.
rights are fought for, not simply given.
January 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pmEugeneDebs Says:
JT Says:
You are a fool. Bush and Cheney ARE war criminals its just that simple. Our OWN tribunal at Nuremberg said starting a war of aggression was the Supreme War Crime. Bush and Darth Cheney LIED to start a war of agression then authorized torture. You are stupid if you think those are conspricy theories.
Which ones? War crimes, that is, were committed? Please be specific.
Have you ever been to war? Have you ever had to kill someone for the ideals of your country? Have you ever seen a person blown up by an landmine or dirty bomb?
Have you ever had to send someone in harms way to defend the rights of American Citizens?
Have you ever had to sacrifice anything for your country? Ride sharing doesn’t count!!
I hope that you don’t ever have to witness what I have, but if we are not careful, the war will be at our door soon enough. This war has been raging for over 1000 years. How on earth can we think that one person will change all of that?
When I was in Iraq for the 1st war a reporter asked me why I was there. I was digging (trying to any way. the ground was rock, not sand) a fox hole and preparing to defend all of Saudi Arabia. I was in country for about a week and I was part of the initial deployment. My reply was from a wide eyed 19 year old who feared nothing and I said as proud as I could, “Freedom. What else is worth it?”.
Is that naive or just stupid? Or, is it America?
There are millions of people in this world that are incredibly happy, not to mention still alive, because of America and the causes for which we fight. We are not a perfect country, sure, but what other countries have given as much as we have in the name of humanity? Why are we apologizing for that??
January 26th, 2009 at 7:07 pmBush Lied The United States Into The War With Iraq Thereby Becoming A War Criminal
“It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose “Duelfer Report” established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq’s nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.
In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003. Not surprisingly, the officials with the most opportunities to make speeches, grant media interviews, and otherwise frame the public debate also made the most false statements, according to this first-ever analysis of the entire body of prewar rhetoric.”
January 26th, 2009 at 7:57 pmsee link below…
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
drick, your imitation of a crazed, right-wing, paranoid, dumbass, gun fanatic is a little over the top. Tone it down just a tad if you want to be believable next time.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pmNow c’mon. The wingnut trolls deserve most of the credit. I’m nothing without my straightmen.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pmInteresting. I listen to MPR and NPR. I have been a member for almost a year now. (don’t know why it took me so long) Garage Talk is one of my favorite shows. They try to present themselves as center, but their language doesn’t support that claim. Listen to the words they choose in the news reports, not to mention Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me. Bill Buzenberg has a good heart and I belive he truely wants to help the community, that is what makes him lean. And although I find several of the shows he started or was involved with on MPR entertaining, he is a reporter and most reporters are bias, one way or the other. After all, they are human.
I took the time to read about 50 of the 900 plus comments highlighted in the report that supports the claim. You were right to say in short.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pmIt certianly proves that Bush and his people were consistant in there message. I should really say they were consistent with each other. As we all know, “what they knew” changed several times. But it does not prove, only suggests, that they lied about when. That they knew there were no wmd’s and that there was no direct connection to Al Qaeda (has that been proven). If you read more than just the hightlighted area, what they (Bush and his buddies) were saying is that they believed and were sure and positive about there convictions. I am sure that there had to be some lies in there, but there is no link to proof of a lie. We now know that they were wrong in many things they believed, true. But I have yet to see proof of a lie that suggests a war crime.
We may see that in the upcoming weeks. You may be correct.
But if their was a conspiracy about part of the reason we need to go to war, is it a war crime? wmd’s and Al Qaeda were only part of the reason. A very important part, not the only reason. Believe it or not, Saddam was reason enough. All you needed to do is go there to know the truth in that.
Forgot to mention that was a reply to
flex Says:
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Bush Lied The United States Into The War With Iraq Thereby Becoming A War Criminal
Thanks for the link. I will be reading more of their work.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:31 pmhttp://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
Independent, they lied more than 900 times. Nobody could just be mistaken that many times.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pmAll this means is the following:
Forty-four percent of Democrats are either suffering from B.D.S. (Bush Derangement Syndrome); OR they are in the later stages of dementia (see:liberalism – a mental disorder); OR most likely of all, they are simply filled with pure, unadulterated hate for our former President.
21 percent of unaffiliated voters must be getting their news from the Forty-four percent (see above)
4 percent of Republicans have been breathing the same air as the 65% (see above) without wearing protection.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pmHere’s another way to look at it:
56% of Democrats (clearly a majority) are still able to think rationally
79 percent of unaffiliated voters must be getting their news from other sources besides thinkprogress.org
96 percent of Republicans are smarter and more well-informed that the remaining 4%…
January 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmIndependant,
Good observation. What these foaming-at-the-mouth leftists conveniently FORGET is that it had been the policy of the United States of America to remove Saddam from power… since President Clinton! Not to mention all the U.N. resolutions, including the one authorizing FORCE to remove him.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pmIndependant Says:
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Bush finally admitted the intelligence was faulty and blamed it on the intelligence community. Well here is Drumheller, the CIA’s top man in Europe, the head of covert operations calling Bush a LIAR on 60 Minutes for the whole world to see. This is the smoking Gun, this is the proof WHY BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL.
“A Spy Speaks Out”
“(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.
He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president’s determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.
“It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure,” Drumheller tells Bradley.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:50 pmDrumheller was the CIA’s top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t: “
Much more at link…
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
No, you misunderstand the disease. B.D.S. is a condition peculiar to the most recent former occupant of the Oval Office.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pmThanks for that light on the truth flex.
It’s pretty bad when these shameless Bush apologists have to fall back on the defense that their glorious leader was just too stupid to get the intelligence right on Iraq.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pmAnd Thank You Independant for your brave and honorable service to our country!
January 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pmLol shoeless, and another problem with these ‘Wac A Trolls’ is their failure to accept facts.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:20 pmThat’s funny; the percentage of former Bush figures on TV admitting to torture seems higher than 1 in 4.
Hmmm… Maybe they’re better informed?
January 27th, 2009 at 7:48 amif their was a conspiracy about part of the reason we need to go to war, is it a war crime?
no it’s perfectly fine to engage in a shock-and-awe bombing campaign, followed by a ground forces invasion, followed by a 5 year occupation for no good reason.
ps: NPR is funded by big oil. dow chemical (also known as the dow oil & gas company) is a huge sponsor of NPR.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:14 ampss: http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm
wearechange Says:
I didn’t ask if is was ok, I asked if it was a war crime. I don’t believe this action falls under either of the Hague Convention rules nor in the Geneva Protocol augment. Since then there have been 2 more augments that covered chemical and biological weapons which do not address this issue either. So I ask again, is it a war crime? Is it a crime at all? Could it be some kind of fraud?
I must have used your link incorrectly because all I can see is a flowchart that shows me nothing about how big oil is shaping the programming at NPR like Bill did with MPR. Do I need to click on flow chart somewhere??
January 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pmflex Says:
And Thank You Independant for your brave and honorable service to our country!
Thank you for the thank you. I am proud to have served in the military and try to continue serving my country as a citizen.
As for who knew what when, it is very hard to tell. The facts are limiting because we are talking about what was believed. Not one time did anyone offer real proof. It was always innuendo and intelligence suggests or show the pattern. I remember thinking the same thing when I heard it live. It’s like this person I work with at my job. Nothing, and I mean nothing is ever her fault. For the last 6 years that I have known her, she has been perfect. Even when you show her very convincing evidence in her own hand writing, it wasn’t her fault. Someone must have told her what to write and so on. For the most part, this person is a good person, but for whatever reason, she can never be wrong. Is this a Bush type of personality or is it a government thing in general? It is very, very rare when you hear a government agent admit their own errors. Usually we will hear something like the situation is the way it is because someone else screwed up or lied. So, we are at no fault.
I tried the link http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2006/ 04/ 21/ 60minutes/ main1527749.shtml but the page could not be found. Would you mind trying again? I liked the first one you gave and would like to see what you are seeing on this one. Thanks.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:42 pmTry this Independant,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
watch the video or read the transcript and you will begin to see Bush is a criminal Liar and how corrupt Bush and the neo-cons really are. if the link still doesn’t work (works fine for me) try goggling Tyler Drumheller/60 minutes.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:57 pmYes, of course, Bush and cronies are guilty of war crimes. I just don’t know why they aren’t being investigated. The GOP spent millions trying to get dirt on Pres Clinton and the worst they found was he had a BJ and lied about it. Most men do lie about that, I am sure. It really wasn’t any of our business about Clinton’s personal life, anyways. But, authorizing torture and murder on innocent people……….where is the special prosecutor? Where are the investigations? May be if we sent them all to the Hague, something would finally get done.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:40 pmBush is definitely a war criminal.
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February 1st, 2009 at 3:04 amIndependant Says:
You are a fool. Bush and Cheney ARE war criminals its just that simple. Our OWN tribunal at Nuremberg said starting a war of aggression was the Supreme War Crime. Bush and Darth Cheney LIED to start a war of agression then authorized torture. You are stupid if you think those are conspricy theories.
Which ones? War crimes, that is, were committed? Please be specific.
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Do you know how to READ? Its right there in the post starting a war of aggression which according to OUR OWN Nuremberg precedent is considered THE SUPREME WAR CRIME. Are you an infant?
Have you ever been to war? Have you ever had to kill someone for the ideals of your country? Have you ever seen a person blown up by an landmine or dirty bomb?
Have you ever had to send someone in harms way to defend the rights of American Citizens?
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HOw would ANY of that be relevant to the FACT according to the standards WE set at Nuremberg the starting of a war of aggression is considered the Supreme War Crime?
Have you ever had to sacrifice anything for your country? Ride sharing doesn’t count!!
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I dont OWE you any recitations of my bona fides you ignorant piece of filth. Just because YOU are an ignorant punk who just lOVES to see Americans DIE doesnt change the FACT that according to the precedent WE set. Starting a war of aggression is considered the SUPREME WAR CRIME YOU MORONIC TROLL.
I hope that you don’t ever have to witness what I have, but if we are not careful, the war will be at our door soon enough. This war has been raging for over 1000 years. How on earth can we think that one person will change all of that?
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What in the world are you talking about. Stop watching Red Dawn thinking its political porn and take your head out of your ass. We have not been at war for a thousand years. Islam is NOT our enemy and you are a moron.
When I was in Iraq for the 1st war a reporter asked me why I was there. I was digging (trying to any way. the ground was rock, not sand) a fox hole and preparing to defend all of Saudi Arabia. I was in country for about a week and I was part of the initial deployment. My reply was from a wide eyed 19 year old who feared nothing and I said as proud as I could, “Freedom. What else is worth it?”.
Is that naive or just stupid? Or, is it America?
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Niave and stupid. Saudi Arabia was NEVER threatened by Saddam. Bush sr LIED about the Iraqi troops on thier border which was confirmed by the media by buying satellite imaging that PROVED he was lying. Stupid because there is no possible way to think fighting Iraq had ANYTHING to do with our freedom. Did you think you were stopping the Iraqis from building papyrus rafts floating across the Atlantic avoiding our Navy invading and conquering the US? If not in exactly WHAT way would our freedom be at stake. I mean unless you are defining OUR freedom with Exxon proits.
There are millions of people in this world that are incredibly happy, not to mention still alive, because of America and the causes for which we fight. We are not a perfect country, sure, but what other countries have given as much as we have in the name of humanity? Why are we apologizing for that??
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I dont know. Who is? On the other hand what in the WORLD outside your bizzare world of complete delusion would that have to do with our invasion of Iraq? Free associate much? Look up the term non sequitur. I think this last paragraph is given as an example
February 16th, 2009 at 6:30 amTimmeh 84
No Timmeh all it means is A) you are suffering from BIS, Bush Idolotry Syndrome. You are so pathetic. Repeating Limborg talking points like BDS as if they were anything but hysterically stupid hyperbole. B) you are suffering from near toxic levels of stupidity
February 16th, 2009 at 6:33 amTimmeh 87
You are a liar and a fool. There were no such resolutions you moron unless you are talking about the one from the FIRST Gulf War 1441 said SPECIFICALLY that they would remain siezed of the issue which means they did NOT authorize any such action you ignorant putz
February 16th, 2009 at 6:35 amIndependant Says: 95
The Nuremberg precedent. Do you know the War Crime for which WE hung most of the Nazis? Thats right NOT killing civilians, NOT bombing dikes but STARTING A WAR OF AGGRESSION. That is the warcrime Bush and Cheney at LEAST could easily be convicted of. There is also the authorization of torture a tougher prosecution
February 16th, 2009 at 6:38 am