Rove: ‘One year from now, Gitmo won’t be closed.’
Rove: ‘One year from now, Gitmo won’t be closed.’
In a recent speech at the University of Miami, Karl Rove expressed his pessimism that President Obama will be able to carry through on his pledge to close Guantanamo:
“One year from now, Gitmo won’t be closed…. If it is, there will be an uproar in the U.S. about where to put these people.”
Indeed, it will be very difficult to close Guantanamo, made harder in fact by the incompetence of the Bush administration. This weekend, the Washington Post reported that the administration’s plans to “quickly close the military prison there were set back last week when incoming legal and national security officials — barred until the inauguration from examining classified material on the [Gitmo] detainees — discovered that there were no comprehensive case files on many of them.”
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January 26th, 2009 at 10:48 amRove: ‘One year from now, Gitmo won’t be closed.’»
– - Ya know Karl, with your sterling track record for accuracy, you’ll be right someday. Even a blind squirrel will eventually find an acorn.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:49 amKKKarl may be right, Gitmo may remain open- for him and his criminal colleagues. THAT’S a change I can believe in.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:50 amYes Karl. We will be leaving it open for your extended vacation there. Otherwise, there most surely will be an uproar for where to keep you.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:50 amIt’s the ultimate in self-fulfilling prophecies…
We scoop up some people on slim suspicion that they might be terrorists.
We torture them.
We find out that in fact, they were not terrorists.
We have no legal standing to hold them.
Enter “unlawful enemy combatant” status.
No trial.
No due process.
These people fester, steam, and wallow until they actually DO hate us.
Keep no records of what happened to them, who they are, or even WHY THEY ARE SUPPOSEDLY there…
That way no trial can convict them of anything even if they are guilty.
The innocent become radicalized, then get released…
The guilty haven’t changed, and then get released…
Now they have more terrorists to point to, which is why we need Gitmo…to make more terrorists…
January 26th, 2009 at 10:51 amIf right wingers weren’t such cowards, all this fear mongering would not be so effective on them.
Terrorism only works on the terrified
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Is this the same guy that predicted McCain would win and the GOP would pick up House and Senate seats? Didn’t he also predict GOP gains in 2006? =)
January 26th, 2009 at 10:56 amRove? Rove?? Karl Rove???
January 26th, 2009 at 10:58 amSorry, can’t recall anyone by that name. And you’d think that anyone who claims such predictive abilities would have made a name for himself already.
scytherius; Which makes him a perfect reverse barometer. Everything he says is totally wrong, which means the opposite is true.
January 26th, 2009 at 10:59 amIt’s going to be a fairly complicated process to close Gitmo, and it may or may not be complete in a year. However, by having that as an objective, it ensures we move in the right direction.
But I think the bigger question is — why does anybody care what Rove has to say? Why is he still relevant? Just because he still feels obligated to pontificate on the neocon agenda (which has already become dead in the water) doesn’t mean we’re obligated to listen.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:00 amOh, then they’ve told you where they’ll be sending you already, Karl?
January 26th, 2009 at 11:01 amThat was considerate, you can plan ahead.
Re #3 & #12
Ahh… I see Uncle Ho got there first… my apologies, Uncle- well put.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:02 amThis weekend, the Washington Post reported that the administration’s plans to “quickly close the military prison there were set back last week when incoming legal and national security officials — barred until the inauguration from examining classified material on the [Gitmo] detainees — discovered that there were no comprehensive case files on many of them.” So, WashPo, since YOU admit that the record-keeping at Gitmo is part of the clusterbleep, we should trash plans to close Gitmo whilst we begin ACCUMULATING THE RECORDS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSEMBLED IN THE FIRST PLACE? Really like your reasoning: here is irrefutable evidence of on-going crime, so we shouldn’t try to deal with the bigger crimes?
January 26th, 2009 at 11:09 ammisshusseinmolly says, “But I think the bigger question is — why does anybody care what Rove has to say? Why is he still relevant? Just because he still feels obligated to pontificate on the neocon agenda (which has already become dead in the water) doesn’t mean we’re obligated to listen.” You’re being too nice: he was NEVER relevant. And megalomaniacs NEVER cease from needing to pontificate.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:11 amMy prediction: One year from now, Rove’s big, stupid mouth won’t be closed.
I think my prediction is more likely to be true than his.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:11 amPlease, people, it is not “difficult” to close Gitmo. It’s as simple as setting up a few hundred extraordinary rendition flights, but routing them to Leavenworth, the SC brig, other SuperMax prisons in various locations in the great 50. Heck, Alaska is pretty remote and far away from the rest of the USofA.
The difficulty is figuring out what to do with the minority of people still there who arguably should be there. Bush’s Unitary Executive apparently never got that far — what the hell they’ve been doing for the past 6 years baffles me, but then Karl was always more about the politics than the actual doing. Guess that’s why he did so well with Bush.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:13 amThe perfect solution to where to move Gitmo detainees? Texas, of course!
January 26th, 2009 at 11:15 amRove is confusing administrative cultures and Presidents. Presumably, when Mr. Obama makes a commitment, he actually intends to fulfill it (gasp). Presumably Mr. Obama doesn’t simply say things for the sake of political expediency.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:18 am“Indeed, it will be very difficult to close Guantanamo, made harder in fact by the incompetence of the Bush administration”.
Incompetence? Heck no! They planned it that way….
January 26th, 2009 at 11:23 amTP’s Rover obsession continues unabated.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:27 amTo Karl Rove:
I’m a conservative like you and I’m so scared of terrorists I almost shite in my pants when our savior George W. Bush left the White House, I guess I’m just like all the other tools who drink your cool-aid and believe that Bush Jr. was a great president. I know we’re a bunch of panzy asses, I’m just so glad that airport security checks the shoes of frail old ladys, it makes me feel safer when I fly.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:28 amKarl
Yours is a FAILED philosophy. Bankrupt !!!
YOU LOST because you are on the wrong side of humanity.
You’ve been proven wrong time and time and time again.
Please just fade into the sunset and disappear until your war crimes trial. Don’t call us…we’ll subpoena you !
January 26th, 2009 at 11:31 amkarl’s record of predictions
is kind of, well a bit spotty.
:)
January 26th, 2009 at 11:39 amNow that we have seem the demise of liberal media and the rise of corporate republican media he may be right. Remember only the corporate right media was ment to survive the depression.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:42 amThe GOP would like there to be an uproar and this is a sly way to try to incite one. The American people should know that we are capable of securing prisoners whereever they are located in the U.S. The closing of Gitmo will make of the U.S. a beacon of light again. We are a capable and intelligent people, enough to come up with solutions where to put the men who have committed acts of terrorism or crimes to humanity. That is what we do — find solutions to problems. We overcome in this country, not by fear but by reason.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:50 amI say we house the prisoners with Karl and Dubya.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:58 amMaybe the U.S. will take over a slightly used ranch near Waco, Tx. and build a nice rehabilitation center there. Would be a better use for the property than what has transpired there.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pmAnd lest we forget, Michael J. Fox has fake tremors, too!
January 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pmHas anyone pondered how many desperate, equally dangerous characters we house in prisons across the country?
Is Rush suggesting that these bad guys are badder than our bad guys?
I say Bring Em’ On!
Let the boys from the hood, or one of the whgite supremacist groups deal with them in the prison yard.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pmNo comprehensive files for some of them ?
If there is one thing I know, it is that the government (and military) just LOVES documentation. Doesn’t the lack of documentation imply some rather sordid details ?
And as stated above, I know a community in Dallas that is being gated. It would be the perfect place for the Gitmo folks to live. Plenty of square footage in the house for all of them.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pm‘Maybe the U.S. will take over a slightly used ranch near Waco, Tx. and build a nice rehabilitation center there. Would be a better use for the property than what has transpired there.’
Like Arlington Cemetery was once the home of R.E.Lee, W’s West Texas ranch would become the home of our Gitmo hard-cores?
There’s both historic precedent and some logic to that consideration, no matter how unlikely…
January 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pmMaplestreet;
“Doesn’t the lack of documentation imply some rather sordid details ?”
Marcy’s all over this at FDL;
January 26th, 2009 at 12:40 pmhttp://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/26/crappy-record-keeping-a-feature-not-a-bug/
Innocent men/woman/children kidnapped, tortured, raped and some killed. That is what will be found when all this is sorted out. Some Law Makers continue to say it’s a good thing and Bush/Cheney didn’t commit War Crimes. Rove knows this will be an International Crisis even if Americans find no problem with it. Obama can change the Policy but he can’t change History. Americans have to now choose to punish or give a free pass to the Bush Administration. History has shown Nixon committed Treason against the US and wasn’t punished so it happen again. If Bush/Cheney get a free pass this conduct will happen again under a new Republican President but then it will go also included changing the Constitution. Other countries will look to this Bush Torture Policy as Legal. Americans will one day be kidnapped, tortured, raped and killed by some terrortist group and it will all be Legal under the Bush Torture Policy.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pmOf course it won’t, why? because those that really run our government probably have the next planned terrorist attack in our country already scheduled for the future. Perhaps it will be blamed on some Somalian’s (read Newsweek) or Al Qaida or some country we want to steal natural resouces from. Problem – Reaction – Solution.
January 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pmI think everybody is thinking inside the box on this issue. Instead of closing the prison, turn it into a theme park. Since these obstructionist conservatives feel so far above the rest of us, it should be an exclusive membership club, open just for them. You know, sort of a Disney Gitmo. They would be allowed to experience all of the pleasures provided to the former inhabitants. Just think of Dick Cheney spending an E ticket for the waterboard ride. Rumsfeld could test his famous standing endurance on the 72 Hour Stand At Attention in the Hot Sun Marathon. Karl Rove could take the old Quaker Meeting Test by testing how long he could keep his big mouth shut by wearing a ball gag while being tied in a stress position. Actually, that last event could apply to Limbaugh, Hannity and O’reilly, too. The losers would be treated to hoods and electrodes, while the winner would get an all expense paid rendition flight to Syria. Come on fellow bloggers. I’m sure that some of you could come up with more exciting attractions for these uber-american “patriots”.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:14 pmThe irrelevant turdblossom, war criminal, still speaking??!
January 26th, 2009 at 2:09 pmOne year from now Rove will be lucky if he’s not in Leavenworth and screaming at the former Gitmo detainees who gang up on him:
“Not in the face…not in the face!”
January 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm33. Thanks for the link JEP ! And thanks for taking what I was saying in this particular instance and pointing to a link of continuous bad record keeping.
January 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm