400 richest Americans’ incomes doubled under Bush.
400 richest Americans’ incomes doubled under Bush.
Bloomberg reports that, according to recently released IRS data, “the average tax rate paid by the richest 400 Americans fell by a third to 17.2 percent through the first six years of the Bush administration and their average income doubled to $263.3 million.” Much of their income came from capital gains resulting from the Bush tax cuts:
The drop from 2001’s tax rate of 22.9 percent was due largely to ex-President George W. Bush’s push to cut tax rates on most capital gains to 15 percent in 2003.
Capital gains made up 63 percent of the richest 400 Americans’ adjusted gross income in 2006, or a combined $66.1 billion, according to the data. In all, the 400 wealthiest Americans reported a combined $105.3 billion of adjusted gross income in 2006, the most recent year for which the IRS has data.
The Wonk Room has noted how “the conservative approach of putting big corporations and the very wealthy ahead of the middle class has failed to create prosperity that can be shared by all Americans.”
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Well… ***droll pause…***
We now know who at least 400 of those die hard 23%ers are…
January 30th, 2009 at 8:17 pmThe Wonk Room has noted how “the conservative approach of putting big corporations and the very wealthy ahead of the middle class has failed to create prosperity that can be shared by all Americans.”
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oh, come on now… think of all the new jobs for cabana boys, and pool cleaners, and right wing radio talk show hosts this has created.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pmWe said that this was going to happen before the cuts were even enacted–it’s math, not rocket science! The media gets a F minus on this!
January 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pmTrue patriots, every one. I’m sure they worked at soup kitchens and painted houses. (okay actually this says nothing to their character, just dumb policy. Gates is making an effort, Buffett, etc.).
Over $200 million in wealth is astounding, for income it is insane. That’s a good-sized city. Why do some want more besides hubris?
January 30th, 2009 at 8:22 pmThis is hogwash. TP fails to mention that the number of empty Cheetos bags DOUBLED during the Bush years for up to 23% of Americans. You heard that right: 23%. That cheesy prosperity has been enjoyed by millions.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pmAnd the Repub_s want to slash capitals gains tax? I wonder why. And wouldn’t that delay until next tax season for 2009 transactions (or are they just abolishing withholding)?
Link to that 1929 inequity chart? thanks
January 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pmDisgusting!
January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pmI am so glad my ex and her family are # 401
January 30th, 2009 at 8:26 pmIts time to squeeze these pigs until they are back to where they were before Bushit…
January 30th, 2009 at 8:27 pmsinge_101 Says:
And the Repub_s want to slash capitals gains tax?
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It’s how CEOs get around paying income taxes. They take a nominal amount as “income” and as much as they can get in options and dividends, paying far less tax that way.
It can also suck a huge amount of cash out of a corporation too.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:28 pmThe theory of Trickle-down Economics: R.I.P.
Just saying . . .
January 30th, 2009 at 8:29 pmYup – the “haves” and the “have mores” – Bushie’s “base.”
January 30th, 2009 at 8:29 pmIs it possible that they just worked twice as hard as me and you?
January 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pmAnd John McCain said just today, that the tax cuts for the rich and corporations should be permanent. This is what all Republicans believe.
These are the oligarchy of this country. And nothing, but nothing will ever make them think differently. No matter how bad the economy, how bad the devastation of the middle class and poor, no matter how unfair the class war, this is who and what they are. They are the obstructionist that are in the Congress and Senate. And all the BS that they gave out with regarding cooperation has meant nothing and never will.
If Obama thought by reaching out he could at least get some kind of two way dialogue going, he was mistaken. Any concessions in the stimulus or anything else has been done by the President. He may want to change the way politics are in Washington, but he never will.
No matter how devastated our country is financially and every other way, these men and women on the right are what they are. Republicans. When you say that you say everything. These ideologues who spent all these years giving Bush everything no matter how outrageous, how unlawful, will not give this Presidency so much as a decent, logical help in re-structuring what they have torn down. If they had any real and cogent ideas then why with all the years they had the power, did they allow all that Bush did, go unobstructed?
They are beneath contempt. We should all remember this when the next election comes around.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pm13 – yes. twice, but not several powers of ten times as hard. that’s the point.
it’s sad that we’re collectively so self-hating that we’re ready to believe that anyone on earth is/could ever be worth tens or hudreds of millions of times more valuable than ourselves. (not to say you are, dbad).
it’s because we’re really just monkeys. ironic too, since monkeys don’t/won’t afford any one member that many multiples of value within their troops.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:42 pmoops – clunky grammar in that post – strike the word valuable.
it’s happy hour here on the west coast
January 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pmIt’s pretty simple. All the extra money flowing into these few peoples’ pockets are being removed from the economy. Economic gains need to be diversified among a broader segment of potential spenders in order to maximize flow. That’s economics.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:51 pmtombaker:
January 30th, 2009 at 8:53 pmAre you familiar with DeWaal? Great primatologist and ethologist
oops – clunky grammar in that post – strike the word valuable
—
Shit now I am thinking “you and I” would have been better than “me and you”
It is always happy hour in the east…
January 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pmdbadass Says:
Is it possible that they just worked twice as hard as me and you?
In 1980 CEO’s worked 40 times as hard as their employees. Now it is over 400 times as hard. [snark]
January 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pmWhen Ross Perot was running for prez and had to reveal his taxes, he said he had over $2 billion, made over $200 million per year on investing that $2 billion, and paid a little over 7% federal tax on that $200 million. The reason it was even lower than the capital gains rate is that much was in tax-free bonds.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pmHow many jobs did those 400 create? Besides their gardeners and maids, I mean?
January 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pmWhat percent of the rest of us does it take to get $105b in income? 90%? 95? How’d the other 99.9992% do?
January 30th, 2009 at 9:25 pmdbad – 10-4 re: dewaal
January 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pmIf you really want to get even more pissed off about the rich getting richer,find out how it is acually done.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pmRead David Cay Johnstons (Perfectly Legal or Free Lunch)
This phnominom has been going on for years under repuke and democtaticly controlled fed. government too.It just accelerates under the Repukes control because were suppost to know thats their gig before we pull the voting lever so they,the repukes do it openly when elected.
Very well said, curious. “They” control everything, and “They” will not be denied.
Since this is supposed to be a representative democracy, and these people are not representative of the rest of us. So why should they be allowed to keep running things? If their only goal is to further enrich themselves at our expense?
And I do not mean that group to include any of the very generous benefactors of some of the best websites on the internets. (Yeah, you know what I mean.) I’m talking about the ones who only care about themselves, not the rest of us. Who says they should be in charge?
January 30th, 2009 at 9:48 pmthanks…
January 30th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Comrads,
January 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pmDiego Rivera’s mural still stands in the Rockerfeller center , the rich just can’t see it .
.The economy collapses taking with it the retirement hopes of millions of Americans and you want to defend the divine rights of kings ?
January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pmBushes grandfather attempted with others to overthrow the American government and worked hand in hand with the Nazi’s chief financier Theissen .
The Rockerfellers made their fortunes on child labor and slave labor .
Where does your fortune come from Winnie ?
Hi windsor. Exempt means you are not obligated.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pmI’ve always wondered… do you guys still get a nickel a post, even if you’re just phoning it in like this?
January 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pmwindsor Says:
Please allow me to embarrass you w/ you own words… heh…
Doesn’t bother me in the LEAST to see both Geithner and Daschle get busted over this. At least they’re PAYING their taxes now. And if you’re actually stupid enough to think either of them are tax frauds on the level some of the super rich are, you’re completely out of touch w/ reality.
The 400 or so mentioned in this article didn’t make more income in the tens or hundreds of thousands… they made it in the tens and hundreds of MILLIONS.
Mebbe I misunderstood something you said. It’s a little hard to hear you clearly when you’ve got your head tucked so far up your own Cheney like that.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pmThe top executives in the petroleum industry, the banking industry, Halliburton, etc. should enjoy the fruits of their “labor” as they rape the economy and profit at the expense of 98% of the rest of the American public, because they will surely burn in hell in the next life.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:22 pmWonder why they got rid of Posse Comitatus ?
January 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pmfreeman Says:
Wonder why they got rid of Posse Comitatus ?
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I don’t wonder in the least and I hope that is yet another one of Botch’s moves that Obama reverses.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:27 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
I’ve always wondered… do you guys still get a nickel a post, even if you’re just phoning it in like this?
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I’d suspect some of them do it for free, ralph… ideological commitment and all that.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pmThe Ol’ Dubbie might just need a taste of that $ for his and his pals’ legal defense fund. That’s some forward thinking.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:30 pmMakes sense as we look at the Budget Debt of the US Treasury. Many got a share of the money as well as the Rich. Notice how well off our elected officials are and how hard their fighting Obama/Biden’s bailout plan for taxpayers. Not many hard working Republican voters have a problem with this as they continue to support the Wall Street bailouts. You can lead people to water but they don’t have to drink it. Ohio voters of John Boehner’s district fully support his effords to stop Obama from giving them the much help they need. They would rather keep letting Boehner keep getting his kick back money from Wall Street then help them. If McCain/Palin had won these 400 rich people would be making 1,000 per cent profit.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:31 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Who says they should be in charge?
THEY do. And they have the $$$ to buy elections. . . witness the BushCo “victories” in 00 and 04.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:37 pm400 Richest people say that Dubya was the BEST.PRESIDENT.EVER.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:37 pmThe thing that stands out about most of these 400 people is their poverty .
January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pmCharlie rangel has a net worth of under 1.2 million he not on this list friend .
January 30th, 2009 at 10:46 pmwindsor Says:
January 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Flagged.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pmHi windsor…
January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 pmWhat are these people union workers?
/snark
January 30th, 2009 at 10:58 pmtelestai2,
January 30th, 2009 at 11:00 pmthe 200 and 2004 elections were not bought. They were stolen. Why Democrats allow the votes to be tabulated by conservative-made machines (that we are not allowed to look at) is really beyond me.
Knowing ignorance is strength ,
January 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pmIgnoring knowledge is sickness ,
The sage is not sick because he is sick of sickness ,
Therefore he is not sick.
Tao Te Ching
windsor,
You are concerned with peanuts. I am concerned with the many TRILLIONS of dollars conservatives have cost this country.
Tell me again how many dollars were lost in Socks the Cat’s Fan Club Scandal? Zero?
How many in the House Banking Scandal? Zero?
January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pmThere were no US elections in 200. That should be 2000.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pmwindsor Says:
Democrat Party…
We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes …
Leona Helmsley was not a democrat. Try again.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:05 pmwindsor Says:
freeman Says:
Charlie rangel has a net worth of under 1.2 million he not on this list friend .
Does that include his offshore rental property that he “forgot” to report the income on or not?
I read a lot into that but don’t recall much of his accountant’s/attorney’s defense. Regardless, back on the pertinent postings I called for Rangel to resign his chairmanship.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:07 pmfreeman Says: Wonder why they got rid of Posse Comitatus ?
HR5122 also known as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was signed by the president on Oct 17, 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:12 pmSection 1076 Text of Hr5122 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. Removing the legalese from the text, and combining multiple sentences, it provides that: The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any state of the United States the president determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
The actual text is on page 322-323 of the legislation. As of 2008, these changes were repealed, changing the text of the law back to the original 1878 wording, under Public Law 110-181 (H.R. 4986, Section 1068,) ***however in signing H.R. 4986 into law President Bush attached a signing statement which indicated that the Executive Branch did not feel bound by the changes enacted by the repeal.***
And the Republicans want to get rid of the estate tax aka the Paris Hilton Tax? Why on earth?
January 30th, 2009 at 11:13 pmPermit your friends to claim your possessions as if they belonged to them . Through Mohammed ibn Zakariyyah we learn that the prophet used to use the property of Abu bakr as if ii were his own .
January 30th, 2009 at 11:14 pmLessons to a son of the moment
Ibn al hussein sulami
McWars Says:
Regardless, back on the pertinent postings I called for Rangel to resign his chairmanship.
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Did not Rangel pay the taxes?
I’m a little amazed that Ole Windsock here is defending folks who would just as soon whizz on his shoe tops as talk to him.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:14 pmDemocrat Party…
We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes …=Windsor=-
Two-thirds of U.S. corporations paid no federal income taxes between 1998 and 2005, according to a new report from Congress.
The study by the Government Accountability Office, expected to be released Tuesday, said about 68 percent of foreign companies doing business in the U.S. avoided corporate taxes over the same period.
Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales, according to GAO’s estimate.
“It’s shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay nothing to support our country,” said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who asked for the GAO study with Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.
Care to try again windsor?
January 30th, 2009 at 11:15 pmOf course Bush Adminstration and Republican policies in general are responsible for the huge, unhealthy disparity between the incomes of the bosses & the bossed, a gap that widened every year.
But might we also not place some blame on the Tom Daschle-Steve Martin scheme for getting rich without paying taxes? — i.e., first, get a lot of money; then, when the tax man asks why you didn’t pay your taxes, just say two little words, “I forgot.”
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
January 30th, 2009 at 11:17 pmBe careful and stingy with your faith and free and generous with your property .Yahha ibn Mu’ahd al Razi said ” the believer may be cheated out of his property but never out of his religion. And while the religion of the hypocrite could easily be taken away from him , it is impossible to take away any of his property “.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:27 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Did not Rangel pay the taxes?
I do know he repaid the tax. I fail to recall my reasoning at the time behind calling for him to resign. But it was easy to forget probably because the issue was largely settled. I’m not pressing on with it. The people who have more trouble figuring out the tax code have messy financial affairs, but for most people the tax code is not a pain in the ass, especially if you take the standard deduction and use software. The more common challenge is maximizing the refund than it is determining what you owe, if anything.
Notice how the some of those who have trouble with the tax code are the same ones who refuse to simplify it — for people in their high income bracket. They realize it should take longer and involve more scrutiny for large incomes even if they’re personally hit. That I can admire.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:33 pmJust as you distribute your property freely , so you should give away your rank and position .
January 30th, 2009 at 11:35 pmIbn al hussein al sulami
While it’s true they profitted regally from the Bush tax cuts, since the IRS data only extends to 2006, it a good bet their net worths actually dropped in the last few months of the Bush administration, from the stock market dive.
And that’s karma, if you ask me.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pmThe Carlyle Group, billions under investment:
2001 $12.5
2009 $91.5
A 625% increase.
Private planes at Presidential inauguration
2004 Bush 300
January 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pm2008 Obama 500
I was asked why I have less and less while everyone has more and more .
January 30th, 2009 at 11:40 pmI said ” God gives to me more and more generosity while to others , more and more wealth”.
McWars Says:
… even if they’re personally hit. That I can admire.
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The really, really big earners don’t pay “income tax” like the rest of us anyways, I’d reckon. I worked for a fairly wealthy, pretty darn famous person once and he had incorporated and received his “pay” as an FSO – “For Services Of”.
He had formed a personal holding company and paid his taxes as a corporation. Yes, he had to file quarterly returns and make estimated payments, but he also got to write off an awful lot of really nice toys as “business expenses”.
The kind of money this thread is talking about? The wealthiest 400?
Sheeeeeee-ite… that’s light years away from where I live.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:40 pmUnderstand what you really own is not what you keep of your property , but that which you spend on your brethren.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:49 pmThe book of Sufi chivalry
Remember Buffett’s secretary, TRoS? She paid a higher tax rate at 60K a year than Buffet — before deductions. Norquist at his little stink tank talks of flatter taxes, but that cretin doesn’t know they already are.
Another thing, the big companies can hire gurus to navigate the difficult tax code. The lobbyists get their deductions inserted. With all you learned while working for the person you speak of, you could have become a slimy accountant, but you took the high road I can see. Kudos!
January 30th, 2009 at 11:49 pmWith that, g’night TRoS and freeman.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:51 pmBe satisfied with little for youself and wish much for others.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pmThe prophet said ” the best of my people will enter paradise not because of their achievements , but because of the mercy of Allah and their quality of being satisfied with little for themselves and their extreme genorosity toward others “.
Buenos noches hermano .
January 30th, 2009 at 11:54 pmdammit. i just found some good info i posted at 5ish has been in moderation limbo… i’ll try again:
STIMULUS
The Recovery And Reinvestment Act
Guides to where you’ll see the money go…and when.
BY CATEGORY
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/2.html
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/3.html
January 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pmcontd:
BY CATEGORY
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/2.html
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/3.html
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/4.html
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/5.html
January 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pmcontd:
BY CATEGORY
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/6.html
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0901/gallery.stimulus/7.html
January 30th, 2009 at 11:56 pmPutting The Middle Class First
Joe The VP speaks up for Joe Sixpack
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/01/time-to-put-mid.html
January 30th, 2009 at 11:56 pmfrom randi’s HOMEWORK page:
http://therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?/archives/167-Friday,-January-30,-2009.html#extended
January 30th, 2009 at 11:58 pmfreeman Says:
Buenos noches hermano .
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Yer French needs a little work, freeman.
That’s “buenos nachos”…
January 30th, 2009 at 11:59 pmThe sage has no mind of his own ,
January 30th, 2009 at 11:59 pmhe is aware of the needs of others .
Tao te ching
Can you hear it tros ,I’m applauding with 1 hand .
January 31st, 2009 at 12:06 amfreeman Says:
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Thought I wasn’t hearing sumpin’, Freeman… :-)!
January 31st, 2009 at 12:18 amAs I heard from Mike Malloy tonight… the middle class need to go away.. they are a threat to these folks.. They do not like COMMON ism (sharing of the commons). The middle class are a threat because they are.. in the middle.. they are not the downtrodden, the peasants for the rich to control… same old story..
January 31st, 2009 at 1:23 amWhy are my tax dollars paying for illegal aliens to have health benefits when I pay a $4000 deductible before my insurance pays anything? How are those who don’t pay taxes getting stimulus checks? Where is the money going to come from for 800+ Billion stimulus package? Treating terrorists with kid leather gloves and expecting results? Every news show gives the Democrot point of view, all I hear is how the Republicans are so evil and stupid. These are all Dem’s programs, how wonderfully fiscally responsible. One day you are going to have to tell your kids why they have no social security. Pedro and his 8 kids will be still living the good life here though I’m sure, at the taxpayers expense. How many poor Democrat politicians are there again?
January 31st, 2009 at 5:30 amWhat a difference a stolen election makes. Compare and contrast:
See? It works so much better when we elect our Presidents ourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuWnw4Hkf1A&f
January 31st, 2009 at 5:43 amI think the British had a very popular comedy with this sort of thing.
January 31st, 2009 at 7:13 amMay be that’s what Bush,Cheney,and McCain meant when they said:
“The economic fundamentals are strong”.
January 31st, 2009 at 7:26 amPedro and his 8 kids will be still living the good life here though I’m sure, at the taxpayers expense. How many poor Democrat politicians are there again?
The racism is never far from the surface of these freaks.
January 31st, 2009 at 7:48 amwindsor Says:
It is just astonishing how really stupid you are. There is no such thing as a Democrat party. Since you are to incredibly stupid to even KNOW the name of the largest political party in the US why would anyone take you seriously. Keep lying we will keep laughing at you. What an ignorant loaf you are.
January 31st, 2009 at 8:08 amSickofMORONS. Man you brainwashed idiots really live in your own little world dont you. Since most of your post was the stupidity you were programmed with by AM hatetadio and has no reality in it. I will only say tax dollars ARENT going to illegal aliens. I guess morons like you will just keep repeating the lies the Oxymoron instructs you to believe because you are just too stupid to do anything else. I do appreciate you ranting your ignorant delusions though. Liberals ought to be reminded there are a bunch of braindead morons like you out there and your vote unfortunatly counts as much as ours.
January 31st, 2009 at 8:12 amLushMoron. I see you are just addicted to our pity. You cant help yourself and you just HAVE to come in here showing that you truly are one of the stupidest people on the face of the Earth. Liberals brought us an end to child labor, Jim Crow, brought us rural electrification, the 40hr workweek. I am sure the most ignorant people imaginable like you are still waiting for them to blow up in our face. You are a true moron Lush. Truly ignorant beyond belief. You are pathetic. You have no self respect. Begging us for just a little more pity you come in here crying. Please pity LushMoron just a little more pity please. Look how stupid he is. No one will ever respect him or take him seriously the pity thing is all he has please just give him a bit more. Its disgusting. You arent clever you are stupid and pathetic. Everytime you think you are making a joke you are just emphasizing how stupid and pathetic you are. As for me I have run out of pity for you. You will always be stupid. You must know that by now stop begging and try to adjust to the reality. You are pathetic and stupid and pathetic is all you will ever have
January 31st, 2009 at 8:19 amMission accomplished.
January 31st, 2009 at 8:49 amYou would need to quote a specific, but never as gloriously as an economic meltdown as a result of conservative experiments…..ay?
January 31st, 2009 at 9:02 amWell, the truth hurts. Want to show us an example of a fiscally responsilble republican in the last 8 years?
Not even the republicans with full control of the congress and the whitehouse were able to destroy(privitize)social security. Americans want it left alone.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:04 amSorry to be off topic. Has anyone seen this?
http://www.newsweek.com/id/182240
On Jan. 16, 2009, then White House Counsel Fred Fielding sent a letter (.pdf) to Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin. The message: should his client receive any future subpoenas, Rove “should not appear before Congress” or turn over any documents relating to his time in the White House. The letter told Rove that President Bush was continuing to assert executive privilege over any testimony by Rove—even after he leaves office.
Same for Miers.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:11 amwin sore, your slip is showing…
This is an actual fact that I could prove but since you just throw crap out there and want to pretend it’s fact, I won’t. You already know it’s true, you just like make believe.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:12 amLiberalVoter Says:
That’s funny, they think they are still in power. I think they have finally pushed it further than they can back up and I predict that it will backfire this time.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:17 amFred, I truly hope so!
January 31st, 2009 at 9:23 amhi thank you blog webmaster
January 31st, 2009 at 9:47 amnetlog
mynet sohbet
It is pretty clear that many of those who left a comment here have no clue how to make money or what the history of those who have made money is, or even the true nature or types of the jobs those people created. Nor do they know that corporations don’t pay taxes, individuals do. Ignorance breeds envy which breeds hate. And this web site is chock full of hate, which a little more knowledge and rational thinking could alleviate.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:48 amProgressive? Not until the level of intellect rises.
Flabbergasted, what color is the sky on your planet?
January 31st, 2009 at 9:53 amTell us again about the intelligence of the right for the last 8 years. You preach and lecture about things you obviously know nothing about.
To you failure apparently equates to sucess and rock dumb and plain ignorant are smart…
got any more sage advice for us oh grand wisor?
January 31st, 2009 at 9:54 amHi Flabbergasted
January 31st, 2009 at 9:55 amYou are correct on this point. I have never seen a more ignorant and hateful group than the gop.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:56 amFlabby, explain why the better educated an individual is the more likely that they will vote democratic? Could it be the bankrupt ideas and values that the right profess?
January 31st, 2009 at 9:58 amSee? That’s why they NEED those bonuses.
January 31st, 2009 at 10:02 amThis is a singularly ignorant statement. Under Clinton corporations paid taxes and they actually did better than they have the last 8 years……want to explain that kink in your theory?
Also, corps have lobbied for and gained the same rights as an individual and so they are not exempt from taxes on that basis alone……that’s playing by your own rules.
And you sling insults about our level of intelligence…..
January 31st, 2009 at 10:08 amIgnorance breeds envy which breeds hate
January 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am— which begets religion
dbadass Says:
Ignorance breeds envy which breeds hate
— which begets religion
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Which begats Red State welfare queens…
January 31st, 2009 at 10:32 amIt’s clear from these numbers that if you lower tax rates, tax income will rise. 24% of 132 billion is less than 17% of $264 billion.
January 31st, 2009 at 10:45 amDon’t understand, why the complaints?
“the conservative approach of putting big corporations and the very wealthy ahead of the middle class has failed to create prosperity that can be shared by all Americans.”
They never had any intention of creating prosperity that can be shared by all Americans. I would also like to see how much income these people and corporations made compared to the amount of taxes they actually paid in the end. I’m betting a lot of that income went into off-shore tax shelters. There is something really wrong with a country where 65% of it’s corporations pay no income taxes. One has to wonder how they survive if they have no income.
January 31st, 2009 at 10:53 amGawd! It’s hard to measure the depth of stupidity of some trolls.
January 31st, 2009 at 10:58 amNice try troll. No dice. I want 24% of whatever they make, at least. They didn’t make the money because of tax cuts fool, they made them because of deregulation, remember, the wisdom of the 2000-2010 era.
We lose the taxes and it just makes a double loss for America. Of course you don’t care, right?
January 31st, 2009 at 11:07 amHi proud
January 31st, 2009 at 11:49 amKeith Says:
telestai2,
the 200 and 2004 elections were not bought. They were stolen. Why Democrats allow the votes to be tabulated by conservative-made machines (that we are not allowed to look at) is really beyond me.
You’re right. I abase myself.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amSome of you may have already read about the Army recalling16,000 pieces of armor, according to the latest Pentagon IG’s audit. But, speaking as a former QC inspector, I can tell you why this report is even more disturbing than even Time magazine or any of its readers realizes.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:54 amMcWars Says:
This is hogwash. TP fails to mention that the number of empty Cheetos bags DOUBLED during the Bush years for up to 23% of Americans. You heard that right: 23%. That cheesy prosperity has been enjoyed by millions.
Only because the bags are getting smaller and their content less…
New and improved.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:59 amProud Says:
Why do libs hate success, move out of your moms house, get a job, and you too can share in the American Dream. Of course that is too much trouble so just keep whining about the success of other people. This is not a socialist country (YET) I know thats what Bambi wants, but since he will fail, he can leave the White House in 4 years with his millions of dollars and retire to Hawaii in luxury, he could care less about you radical wingnuts he just wants power and fortune like any good Republican.
Prideless, did you actually have a POINT to make or a factoid to contribute? Or had you just not spewed your ration of venom, hatred, and stupidity for the day? I do love the Freudian slip in which you ADMIT that “any good Republican” wants “power and fortune.” But you’re insulting those Republicans who DO, genuinely, are about the welfare of the entire country rather than of their bank accounts.
The Repubs must be SOOOOOOO “proud,” “Proud”!
January 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm#83, you are a very dillusonal Reich Winger that wants Obama to fail, just as the last 8 years of Bushco has failed this country,if you are middle class I feel sorry for you because you will continuously be lead by a republican ideologue and this has put this country where it is right now and on a course for failurebcause you lost in NOV(thank goodness) and you will whne and cry lick sore losers in tha school yard until you get what you want, sorry, we won and we will get this country rolling again without the re-pukes and your kind who hate the middle class and America!!! One more thing where did that first bailout go to? the same a$$hole that created this mess and gave $18 billion in bonuses of your money, that`s where , A$$HOLE!!!!!
January 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pmProud of what?
January 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pmProud, your an IDIOT…..You and your RE_PUKE buddies are now MARGINALIZED!!!!!
January 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pmMarie Says:
Maybe we can get a cheesy meter like Hannity’s “hate meter”, eh? Cutting edge technology there… *cough*
January 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pmExcuse me, proud but I think he moved to Texas with your money.
I take it geography was another one of those classes you didn’t do well in?
January 31st, 2009 at 12:17 pm124:
January 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmI am perfectly successful and I am happy to be taxed so that some of my success can be shared with those less successful than I. See I don’t fall under the selfish prick category
Proud Says:
Proud of my country, and yes proud of my success, this is a great country for anyone who wants to work hard, and struggle to acheive what they want. Libs just want what to be given what other people have worked hard for no questions asked.
Careful there. My town recently automated garbage collection. There goes the free lunch part of the job.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pmProud,Yeah, worked at stealing from America and I`m not talking about not paying taxes either.That`s what I like about you Reich Wingers it`s all about being wealthy and greedy and you probably call yourself a good Christian, when in fact all of your economic values are anti- Christian in every way.You are nothing but a hypocrite and are in lock step every way imaginable with your Reich Wing Dogma and in hating this country unless you get your way.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pmProud says:
Wow, considering that I’ve worked hard for my own success… and haven’t asked for a handout to get by, and I have done my fair share of struggling, I should just hang a conservative label around my neck and remove my brain.
Sorry, no can do. I actually like to turn things over and examine them and not take them at face value because some radio host told me that “this is the way things are”. I also like to assist others who may not know how to get started in the struggle toward “success”, rather then expecting them to figure it out on their own.
See, when you close the door on those who just want questions answered, like “how do I get started?”. That’s elitist. Something I believe those on the other side of the fence accused “libs” of being as well.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:23 pmWe don’t, that’s why we are so disgusted with the bush admin and the gop. Want to point out that success you are so proud of in the last 8 years?
As for your personal success, well, it’s the internet and you can play the part of a millionaire if you want, I don’t care. I don’t believe you, but you can still do it.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pmLike how hard the insurance companies have worked to provide a good, reasonably priced product once they were deregulated….that kind of hard work?
January 31st, 2009 at 12:27 pmProud your ignorance amezes me,our gov`t is supposed to work for all not just the top 400 people of this country.How many jobs have those top 400 created, not one unless you consider it domestic help and most likely immagrants to boot, The hypocrisy from you is really astounding and ignorant.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pmThat sucks. I pay a higher rate than the top 400 richest people. Thanks a lot Republicans.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pmWhy do you hate American working middle income earners?
January 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pmLibertyLover Says:
How many jobs did those 400 create? Besides their gardeners and maids, I mean?
Well the usual argument is that most rich folk put their money in the stock market, thereby helping business capitalize to create employment. But: the stock market has tanked, and these people are still rich, which indicates that these are the people who haven’t been investing in U.S. stocks, but rather in other financial instruments, such as futures trading, the money market, or something else. So in this case, the number of jobs these folks created would be none.
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Wayne A. Schneider Says:
Very well said, curious. “They” control everything, and “They” will not be denied.
Since this is supposed to be a representative democracy, and these people are not representative of the rest of us.
One thing that neither Communists nor Capitalists account for is the fact that political power can be exchanged for economic power, and vice versa. You can try to build firewalls against it, but it will leak through. Communism seeks to equalize economic power, and assumes that equalization of political power will follow, but what we always see is a small group consolidating the political power and then leveraging that to gain economic perks. Capitalism may equalize political power via democracy, and assumes that equalization of economic power will follow via the “meritocracy of the market,” but what we always see is a small group consolidating the economic power (the rich get richer) and then leveraging that to gain political access.
That’s why the extremely wealthy have their own personal political party in our two-party system.
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Flabbergasted Says:
It is pretty clear that many of those who left a comment here have no clue how to make money…
Proud Says:
Why do libs hate success, move out of your moms house, get a job…
Classic con tactic, both incorrect and ad-hominem. “I’m a great businessman and you are all on welfare so you don’t know about macroeconomics.” First, both of those premises are false. Second, microeconomics is not macroeconomics. The fact that neither of you understands the difference indicates your level of knowledge on the subject.
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Flabbergasted Says:
And this web site is chock full of hate, which a little more knowledge and rational thinking could alleviate.
Not hate, merely justified anger. In fact, if we didn’t know as much as we do we’d be a lot less angry. It’s conservatives who praise being willfully ignorant (aka. “intellectually incurious”).
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TJM Says:
It’s clear from these numbers that if you lower tax rates, tax income will rise. 24% of 132 billion is less than 17% of $264 billion.
Don’t understand, why the complaints?
Tried that, didn’t work. Maybe if the cuts weren’t geared to the rich only that would help. Or at least it would have, if the economy hadn’t already been tanked by people who believe what you do as a position of dogma rather than logic.
The thing is, that tactic might work in certain economic situations, but not this one. In order for the economy to heal itself, the economic environmental conditions of each actor have to be maintained – infrastructure, education, mobility. Those have been completely eradicated under Bush, and must be repaired before we can get the engine up to speed again.
Here’s a weird idea to throw at you – different tactics work in different situations. A different macroeconomic approach is called for when the economy is doing well than for when it’s doing poorly. To say that always doing the same thing no matter what the situation is will always work, is breathtakingly simplistic, and is the sort of thing that could only be believed as a matter of faith rather than reason.
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Proud Says:
…since he will fail, he can leave the White House in 4 years with his millions of dollars and retire to Hawaii in luxury, he could care less about you radical wingnuts he just wants power and fortune like any good Republican.
You keep wishing that we’re as bad as you are. Your only hope for personal redemption is that there really are no decent people, just scum like you pretending.
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Proud Says:
Proud of my country, and yes proud of my success, this is a great country for anyone who wants to work hard, and struggle to acheive what they want.
You’re not successful, you don’t work hard, and you’ve achieved little or nothing.
In case anybody is wondering why I refute personal claims, it’s because every single time a wingnut has claimed to be successful, it turns out their claims were lies. Joe the Plumber is a sterling example, intentionally lying about his income and employment status to try to make a point. Furthermore, I have put forth exactly as much evidence that Proud lives in a cardboard box and logs in at the library as he has that he’s “successful” in any way. As he is the one who has made the extraordinary claim, the burden of proof is on him.
January 31st, 2009 at 2:17 pmProud Says:
Libs just want what to be given what other people have worked hard for no questions asked.
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Boy… talk about meaningless generalizations… this comment is a political Hostess Twinkie… kinda satisfying if you want a quick buzz, but basically empty calories.
January 31st, 2009 at 2:18 pmTrickle down is a joke pulled by repulsive repukes on the American public.
They’re laughing all the way to the bank.
The public is crying all the way to the unemployment line.
January 31st, 2009 at 2:22 pmProud Says:
Proud of my country, and yes proud of my success…
Libs just want what to be given what other people have worked hard for no questions asked.
January 31st, 2009 at 2:25 pm__________
Yeah, right, you are a booming success at poor grammar.
If you add up the money in which the average 400 RICH people made $52600000000 in the past 6 years!
That’s 52.6 TRILLION DOLLARS!
so just think…. if Bush didn’t do those cuts, AMERICA would’ve kept at least 1/3 of that money which would’ve been 17.6 TRILLION DOLLARS!
America’s DEBT is only 13 TRILLION
America could’ve had a 4 TRILLION SURPLUS!!
January 31st, 2009 at 3:32 pmBush and the republicans should be strung up by their necks for giving out tax cuts for the wealthy during a time of war. The only people who have suffered during the eight year reign of terror and error were our soldiers, their families, the poor and the middle class.
The elite didn’t sacrifice anything and yet the republicans cry for more of the same, knowing that the idiots who support them don’t care if their best interests do not concern those they elect and blindly support.
Yes lets give out more tax cuts to the elite, lets give corporations more tax breaks because this has stimulated our economy so well over the past eight years.
Republicans can go phuck themselves!
January 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pmUncle Fester Lurks Says:
Bush and the republicans should be strung up by their necks for giving out tax cuts for the wealthy during a time of war.
They used to call it “war profiteering.” But we aren’t technically at war, so I have to oppose any arguments that special powers and punishments should exist because we are.
January 31st, 2009 at 4:50 pmProud Says:
Proud of my country, and yes proud of my success, this is a great country for anyone who wants to work hard, and struggle to acheive what they want. Libs just want what to be given what other people have worked hard for no questions asked.
What you’re ignoring is that many of these 400 people don’t actually “work”, in the sense of actually doing something, like the rest of us. Many of them (more specifically, their families before them) acquired that wealth on backs of other poeple’s labors. There is nothing admirable about worshipping a dictator, but that’s what many of these wealthy people are.
January 31st, 2009 at 5:15 pmberryessence Says:
If you add up the money in which the average 400 RICH people made $52600000000 in the past 6 years!
That’s 52.6 TRILLION DOLLARS!
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Sure about those numbers?
The article says, and I quote: “In all, the 400 wealthiest Americans reported a combined $105.3 billion of adjusted gross income in 2006, the most recent year for which the IRS has data.”
Whilst $105BB is still an enormous amount of money for just 400 people to earn in one year, it still doesn’t total up to $56 Trillion for 6 years. It’s actually only about 12% of that figure ($56 trillion).
January 31st, 2009 at 5:53 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
What you’re ignoring is that many of these 400 people don’t actually “work”, in the sense of actually doing something, like the rest of us. Many of them (more specifically, their families before them) acquired that wealth on backs of other poeple’s labors. There is nothing admirable about worshipping a dictator, but that’s what many of these wealthy people are.
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Which was the original point of the inheritance tax… to stop financial dynasties from forming in this country. So much for that idea.
People inherting wealth they never have to work for? Would you be referring to the Walton family, who make up nearly half the 10 Ten Richest Americans?
4. Jim Walton – $23.4 billion
5. S Robson Walton – $23.4 billion
6. Christy Walton – $23.2 billion
7. Alice Walton – $23.2 billion
January 31st, 2009 at 6:00 pmElBruce Says:
In case anybody is wondering why I refute personal claims, it’s because every single time a wingnut has claimed to be successful, it turns out their claims were lies.
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In agreement. In my experience, almost every time a poster starts introducing “personal information” to support the validity of their statements, you’ve got a phony on your hands.
Strange, but true.
January 31st, 2009 at 6:23 pmThrow these crooks in jail. Money is redistributed from the middle class taxpayer to the Banks and the Wall Street Gangsters. The Criminal Bush gave the rich obscene tax breaks, while they steal money for bonuses; now it is time to tax these crooks out of existence. Restore Democracy, end Plutocracy!
January 31st, 2009 at 6:41 pmTRoS,
Among others, yes. I would be surprised to learn that any of the Walton children ever had a real job once Sam made his millions.
And I should emphasize once again that I do not believe that ALL wealthy people are scum. Just the ones who think they are entitled to live a life of luxury just because they were lucky enough to be born into wealth, but who don’t feel any obligation to help their fellow humans survive. They could disappear from the face of the Earth and it could only be a better place to live for the rest of us.
January 31st, 2009 at 7:29 pmtelestai2,
Please don’t abase yourself. You can say the Republicans bought, lied, and conned to get enough votes to make it close enough to steal.
But all the evidence we are allowed to see says contests in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2008 were stolen by knocking people off the registry or flipping votes.
Many think votes were not stolen in 2006. But exit polls of 10,000 voters say the Dems won by 11.5%. The offical version is Dems won by 7.6%.
http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/landslide_denied_exit_polls_vs_vote_count_2006 SAYS:
“…nationwide sample of more than 10,000 voters was drawn, the results representing the aggregate vote for the House in E2006. The sample was weighted according to a variety of demographics prior to public posting, and had a margin of error of +/- 1%.
When we compare the results of this national exit poll with the total vote count for all House races we find that once again, as in the 2004 Election (“E2004”), there is a very significant exit poll-vote count discrepancy. The exit poll indicates a Democratic victory margin nearly 4%, or 3 million votes, greater than the margin recorded by the vote counting machinery. This is far outside the margin of error of the poll and has less than a one in 10,000 likelihood of occurring as a matter of chance.”
January 31st, 2009 at 8:38 pmKeith,
IMHO, in the ‘06 and ‘08 elections, the Republicans did not want to make it obvious, so they didn’t try to steal too many votes. They were trying to just squeak by (and then claim a mandate to do as they wanted). But they didn’t anticipate the huge turnout of voters, so they didn’t program the electronic voting machines to steal enough votes. Otherwise they would still be in charge.
January 31st, 2009 at 8:49 pmToo late but didn’t everyone know this from the beginning?
January 31st, 2009 at 9:00 pmWasn’t this the bushcon plan?
Amazing people report this with any supprise.
Bushcon have had their truck pulled up to the bank vault unloading the worlds wealth for 8 years.
What you see with these 400 is only where a % of that shows.
Wayne, right you are. You can’t steal more than a certain amount or you won’t get away with it.
They call people who say this tin-foil hat conspiracy nuts, but the odds are 10,000 to 1 against the official version. There is more chance the Colts will win the Super Bowl tomorrow.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:05 pmAs TRoS said, the Waltons have $93 billion. Are they being taxed too much? Under Eisenhower, annual income over $100,000 was taxed at 9!%. Was Eisenhower socialist?
In 2005 more than 3,900 Wal-Mart workers in Arkansas received some form of state aid–mostly Medicaid, the program that provides medical care to the poor and their children. The state government spends around $16.2 million annually on the health care needs of Wal-Mart workers, according to an article in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:08 pmThat should be 91% tax
January 31st, 2009 at 9:11 pmGW Bush wanted a positive slant on his legacy. This pretty much sums it up. The rich got richer. Kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:31 pmsuzysmom, who’s a lyin bastard? You mean you’re trying to tell me that the free market will really work and will naturally police itself? I can hardly wait to see that…When is it supposed to start happening?
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Where is that era of prospertity that the free market totally unregulated supposed to usher in? I’m waiting??
You know, I’m patient but it’s starting to look like you might not know what you are talking about, in fact, I’m pretty sure you are full of shit.
January 31st, 2009 at 10:05 pmProud Says:
I just hate all those wealthy bigwigs…
I thought you were defending them before. Be consistent.
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suzysmom Says: suzysmom Says:
The richest 400 Americans collectively paid $18.1 billion in taxes in 2006, the highest in the 15-year period and 1.77 percent of all income taxes paid in the United States; on an inflation- adjusted basis, the dollar amount was the highest since 2000.
Well, of course they’re paying more taxes than they were before. That’s because their incomes doubled. Reporting that their taxes increased by a commensurate amount does not invalidate that.
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suzysmom Says:
NY now has an additional 1BILLION IN ITS DEFICIT BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION IN BONUSES GIVEN TO WALL STREET WORKERS
I had to do some considerable Googling to figure out what the hell you were howling about there. It turns out you’re just parroting Giuliani.
However, what Giuliani was referring to is that Wall Street bonuses historically serve as an indicator of what the state economy will be, not that they have the power by themselves to increase or decrease it. See, if the economy is doing well, then executive bonuses will be high and so will state revenue. But those are both because the economy is doing well, not because the executive bonuses make the state revenue increase. However, Giuliani did try to create the vague impression that somehow was such a direct cause and effect relationship.
Don’t yell at us because Rudy misled you. Go yell at Rudy.
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suzysmom Says:
YOU GUYS ARE REALLY COMMUNISTS AND THINK GOVT SHOULD GIVE EVERTYHING TO YOU
Don’t tell me what I am or what I think. I’ll tell you.
January 31st, 2009 at 10:15 pmIs this troll for real or just another drug addict right winger that is full of shit?
January 31st, 2009 at 10:53 pmIf that was the case Proud, the new cabinet would be full of reich wingers.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:02 pmsuzysmom,
Are you in that top one percent of income “earners” (much of it from not working), or do you just wish you were? You seem to be defending them vociferously.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:09 pmIs the GOP late getting back to you with an answer, suzysmom? Are you among the very wealthy, or do you just wish you were?
January 31st, 2009 at 11:34 pmI don’t resent rich people, I resent rich people who think they’re better than me just because they have lots of money. I like the rich people who are willing to admit that they have way more money than they could ever practically use intheir lifetimes, so they give it away. I may not agree with some of their choices, but at least they aren’t keeping it for themselves and their spoiled kids.
And I have doubts that you are seriously happy with your income. I mean, you really, really defend the super-rich (the subject of this thread) way too much, as if you admired them. A lot of wealthy families (including the Kennedys) got their money doing illegal or immoral things. And you know that I could name more, but I won’t.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:22 amsuzysmom Says:
wayne , read your bio on the zoo
you really are a wingnut
faggot too, right?
February 1st, 2009 at 12:19 am
You got all of that out of reading a deliberately silly bio I wrote? The “faggot” part, too? I flagged you on that one.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:23 amsuzysmom Says:
February 1st, 2009 at 12:19 am
Wrong, and flagged, you homophobe.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:25 amLiberalVoter Says:
Is this troll for real or just another drug addict right winger that is full of shit?
January 31st, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Is there any reason she can’t be both?
February 1st, 2009 at 12:28 amsuzysmom Says:
Im happy with my income, I have worked hard for it and I don’t resent rich people….
On the other hand, I do resent spreading my wealth to the lazy, the slobs, the welfare mothers, and the illegal aliens.
I’ll take it from these comments that you are middle class. So surely you shouldn’t mind if we leave your “wealth” alone and just invest the rich people’s wealth to increase economic opportunity for the lazy/slobs/mothers/aliens.
Wait – why do you hate motherhood?
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suzysmom Says:
wayne , read your bio on the zoo
you really are a wingnut
faggot too, right?
That would be a “winggot,” you silly billy! (”Fagnut” was already trademarked by Rush Limbaugh)
FYI, “wingnut” specifically refers to radical right-wing ideologues. The equivalent term for a radical left-wing ideologue is “propellerhead,” although it sees far less use.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:57 amElBruce,
I invite you to look at my bio at The Zoo (http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/contributors/).
Do you get the same thing out of that that suzysmom did? Mind you, I deliberately filled it with things that are not true, as should be obvious. Wingnut? Maybe. But, “faggot”? Jane, my wife, disagrees.
February 1st, 2009 at 1:09 amReally, do one of you so called conservatives want to explain to me why I have to pay a higher income tax rate than the top 400 income earners. I’m serious. I’d like to know the rational behind that ideology.
February 1st, 2009 at 1:31 amfiery kooks ’round here tonight. hoo-wee.
how ya doin’ kooks?
gonna get some pats on the head from the boss for stickin’ up for ‘em against the big, bad commies?
trump gonna take you out to Red Lobster or something?
lapdogs.
bootlickers.
kooks.
g’night kooks.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:10 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
ElBruce,
I invite you to look at my bio at The Zoo
You know, I did when she said that. I detected no faggotry whatsoever. But I’m not a conservative, so perhaps my homo-sensory-apparatus isn’t as fine tuned to see it everywhere.
Jane, my wife, disagrees.
Inadmissable as evidence: Mrs. Haggard tried making a similar claim. You’ll have to do something else to prove your manly heterosexual manliness: go eat five pounds of raw steak and then punch a hippie, or whatever it is the cons do when their pants start to feel funny in the locker room.
Or, you know, just chill, because its only cons who have to be obsessed over whether anybody thinks (finds out) they’re gay or not.
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suzysmom Says:
joe biden says its patriotic to pay taxes.
so you should be happy to pay more taxes.
I would be very happy to make enough money to pay more taxes than I do now. Unfortunately, I’m broke enough that I’ll end up paying less under Obama’s proposed tax plan.
And yeah, it is patriotic. Along with voting, it’s the primary way that most Americans help to participate in America as an entity. You should feel damn proud to submit your tax form every year, instead of being so upset that such horrible demands were placed on you by your country. I swear, when it comes to taxes, you cons sound like a 13-year-old being forced to do their chores.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:05 amElBruce, she saw Wayne’s facebook picture, which was taken when he was in college about 30 years ago.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:41 amThanks, ElBruce. :)
Besides, my sexuality is as irrelevant at hers. His. Its. Who knows when people hide behind fake names?
suzy,
I hope that one day, you grow up to be a more open-minded and intelligent woman that your mom apparently turned out to be. The world could use a few thinkers and not reactors.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:41 amSorry Suzy. Had to flag your mom for that comment at # cent soixante-neuf. Must punish bad behavior. Actually, Wayne cannot be gay since he was in the Air Force and they don’t allow gays. From that photo he looks bearly old enough to go to school.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:50 amIn 2000, when Microsoft’s shares were at their peak, it was said that Bill Gate’s was worth $100 billion and that equaled the wealth of the bottom one-half of all Americans. Guess the bottom one-half are just a bunch of lazy slobs. But why do they always, always, always get lazier under Republicans and harder-working under Democrats? Don’t believe me? Get an almanac and look it up!
Some 2004 wealth distribution stats from:
http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/income&wealth.htm
The wealthiest 1 percent of families owns roughly 34.3% of the nation’s net worth, the top 10% of families owns over 71%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns way less than 1%.
The distribution of wealth is much more unequal than the distribution of income, especially when focussing on the bottom 60% of all households. The bottom 60% of households possess only 4% of the nation’s wealth while it earns 26.8% of all income.
———————–1983—–2004
February 1st, 2009 at 5:11 amTop 20%—————-81.3%—-84.7
4th 20%—————-12.6—–11.3
3rd 20%—————- 5.2—– 3.8
Bottom 40%————- 0.9—– 0.2
ProudMoron the only thing you are proud of is your stupidity because it is what defines you and pretty much what you are. STUPID. Why do you ignorant brainwashed trolls think anyone in the entire world cares what you think.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pmSuzysmoronmom
You are just a stupid rightwing troll too ignorant to even THINK about telling us what to do. Why dont you go pour yourself a nice hot cup of STFU
February 1st, 2009 at 12:49 pmIf you really are a mom then you should be prosecuted for child abuse. Any child that has to live in the same house that you live is being abused.
flagged, suzy’smom, freedom of speech does not include hate speech. You are a criminal who needs to be put in jail. You promote hatred and violence.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:20 pm