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Understand that Obama is pushing a national bankrupting “stimulus” plan and trying to scare people into going along and approving it saying it will turn into a catastrophe without that bill.. That is absurd,that bill will be the catastrophe.Yes people are losing jobs daily out there but it’s because Obama hasn’t addressed the financial and credit problems with the banks,and the mortgage crisis also created by these Banks.The problems in our economy originated there and is creating every other problem we are having around the country. Businesses cannot sustain and thrive without credit. People or businesses cannot buy without loans and credit.If they cannot continue to run their businesses they cannot stock and support their business,and the consumers-us cannot buy then they cannot pay their employees. Of course they have to cut down and that means more people lose jobs! This now- is Mr. Obama’s fault. He needs to stop blaming, they’re gone now and he has the money and the control.He got the money to address that before he stepped into that office.

This so called stimulus doesn’t even address those issues at all and cannot possibly resolve those problems or end those lay offs. What is Obama waiting for here? I’ll tell you what- To pass his wish list that will break the back of our economy and rob all of us of our savings, money and livelihoods.? He already has another 350 billion dollars to use to address those Real Issues and The Real Causes Of the problems we’re having and He has done nothing with it. He needs to Resolve those two if he is to do anything first, the rest will correct itself with it.Cause and effect.Resolve the cause-eliminate the effects! In not doing so Obama is deliberately creating- allowing the decline in the economy forcing businesses to come apart.He is the cause for this on going increasing losses of employment and business shrinkages by neglecting his responsibility to Resolve The Problems With The Funds He Already Received To Do Exactly That With.That should have Obama’s number one priority, and had been resolved first and foremost.

Make no mistake here,that lack of address on Obama’s part of those main issues are a deliberate manipulation to achieve his & the Dem.’s desires and agendas which have little to do with stimulating the economy. Most of what is in that bill has no business being in a stimulus bill at all and can be addressed separately later on in a timely manner,in the proper fashion and gone over with a fine tooth comb. Obama also needs to pay ACORN out of his own pocket for their ‘$upport” and “help” with his election-Not with our tax dollars! Obama said last night that “that is what a stimulus is.Spending..” That’s spending that “stimulates our economy Now” Mr. Obama! Not 3 & 4 or more years later.That bill doesn’t serve the American people in that respect, and much of what I’ve read in that bill says to me that our government wants to drive the American people into poverty. We don’t want or need more government. Jobs that we will also have to pay for. Any contracts on workable projects and infrastructure needs to be given in The Private Sector Period.There are more than sufficient amounts of businesses and services in the private sector that can be contracted for any of the work needed to stimulate the economy and create more of those jobs in the private sector “NOW”. No more government-we need less government, no more dysfunctional organizations.

If you really look through that plan you might see what I see which is a plan designed to create a poverty nation.A Welfare Nation that is financially enslaved to this government and the rich & wealthy-the Elites around the world.They want to control everything including our children and Us.We will have and do only what they decide we’ll have and do.This so called stimulus plan is like the Set Trap to a complete loss of our individual rights and freedoms.If we all don’t stand up for them and protect them-Game Over.We’ll lose everything…..

This bill will not help those who are losing their homes or those who’ve been laid off.Everything in the way of “Help” from the government you will get after that bill-You can get right now.There isn’t going to be anything more coming out of that bill other than higher taxes on the unemployment money you’ll have to pay in 2010 on your 1090.It may bring those $25.00 more for the Un-Empl. but that’s it.Big deal-it still leaves you in poverty.I know.The spending in that bill will cost us,it will not address or stimulate our economy and bares little benefit at all and for years to come.Did you see that bill? Did you notice that what help they offer people is in Unemployment benefits,food stamps,medicaid etc.?? That’s because that will be the NORM from this point forward because the economy will not be stimulated in any way shape or form by that bill.It will only be creating more debt,more taxes to pay,more poverty for us.That bill must be stopped and stripped of the spending that does nothing to help you & me-all of Us.It only creates larger government and more control over US.Our country will become even more unstable people.We will be crying for America- our country this year,it will be a very sad time indeed…

For all of you complaining about tax cuts for corporations… do you under stand that lower the cost to do business will help them CREATE NEW JOBS! how is giving people who don’t even pay taxes $500 refund checks going to help the economy? They will save it (as they should) and it will NOT fix the problem.

This bill is garbage, and from a guy who said he was going to change the way business is done in washington, yet he is advocating passing the biggest pork bill in American history… I find it funny…

How is STD education going to stimulate the economy? How is College tuition assistance going to spark the economy?
How is Health research going to create jobs in this country? I can go on and on…

I am not arguing the value of these programs, but I am arguing that should NOT be packaged in a bill meant to “spur” the economy and create jobs…

ALL of the money need to go to building up our infrastructure, and to tax cuts – yes for everyone, especially corporations, small businesses, and people WHO ACTUALLY PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES…

For me, transparency is a big deal, and it should be for everyone. Our kids will be paing for this longa fter we’re gone, so it should be open to all to see where it is going.

During the Depression, Pres Roosevelt put $11.4 bill (est $175 bill today) into the Works Progress Administration.
The agency spent nearly $4 bill on highway & road projects and more than $2 billion on public buildings and utilities. All told, the WPA put 8.5 million people to work between 1935 and 1943. Together those people built 651,087 miles of roadway, built or improved 124,031 bridges, erected 125,110 public buildings and laid 853 airport runways. Not bad at a time when the unemployment approached 25 percent.

wiley: the WPA and CCC and several other projects were designed to “get people back to work” or in the current usage “jump start the economy”. By 1941, the economy was still in a shambles, food lines were still prevalent and not much had really changed from 1930. The advent of WWII was what ended the depression, not the endless, horribly expensive economic interventions of FDR. I’m looking at a proposed repeat of the same mistakes. wygent

Your take on this is simplistic and frankly dumb. Boeing wouldnt EXIST without public subsidies and niether would the railroads. Rural electrification and the highway system were both built with public funds and there is no denying the economic boost that came with them as rural people began to buy the products electricity made possible. Nor the efficiency that comes from a world class transportation system the same with the satelite technology that was publicly funded and is the basis for the communication industry. The defense dept is a major source of economic stimulation. You seem to be saying that no money intering the economy is worth the expense unless it is making revenue for the already incredibly wealthy.

Get lost you noxious jerk

peh

That is why the WPA and CCC and other make-work projects of the Roosevelt administration failed. They had to take the money away from us before they could give it back. They failed miserably and expensively. The current crop of stimuli are also doomed to failure, not for political reasons, but because they are based on fallacious assumptions. wygent

I tell you what, you are wearing me out like a kid asking “are we there yet”

prattle on my insignificant advisary.
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As they say in Scotland, Oouch’mon!

He’s got ya there, b-cup.

I did want to hear b-cup’s gymnastic, gyrating explanation of why what’s good for the goose ISN’T good for the gander. Heh…

Well, I’m saying that it’s not good, period. Sounds to me like backup’s pretty much conceding the point. Of course, you can point out how conveeeenient it is that he’s conceding this point now of all times, but you aren’t going to get a different answer.

But they aren’t going to get what they want. Obama’s version of bipartisanship is a good one, I think. Dems are going to govern as they see fit not because they’re getting the R’s back, but because they’re trying to govern correctly. The R’s can get on board and negotiate in good faith, or they can shut themselves out of the process.

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The Republic of Stupidity Says:

I’m saving this exchange off to a word doc, Captain. Next time the Big Brass Shoe is on the other foot, I’m bringing it out!

Gonna be a looooong time before they get that shoe back.

backup Says:
There is nothing “fake” about the crisis we face today.

This isn’t something a conservative would have said in ‘03?

but it was a lie captain…….a lie, a big fat lie and we all know that today..

I tell you what, you are wearing me out like a kid asking “are we there yet”

prattle on my insignificant advisary.

Where were you (and the GOOP*) talking about fiscal responsibility and measured response when it came to funneling huge sums of money into the deserts of Iraq and overpriced private contractors?

Where was your (and the GOOP’s*) concern over wise spending then?
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* emphasis mine…

My point EXACTLY, Tweedster!!!

Yes, now that ADULTS are hopefully in charge again, hopefully they will indeed behave like adults. And I do find it oh so… satisfying… to get a GOOPer by the scruff of his, or her, greasy neck, drag them over to a big pile of cold Cheney, and RUB THEIR NOSE IN IT, all whilst saying “Bad GOOPer… Bad GOOPer” over and over again.

Oh well… I guess I’m just being petty… heh… sure is FUN!!!

Whatareyougonnado? I gotta be me… :-D!!!

backup Says:
There is nothing “fake” about the crisis we face today.

This isn’t something a conservative would have said in ‘03?

Absolutely they would have, and did. But there were plenty of folks of other political persuasions saying otherwise.

Virtually no one is saying otherwise about the current crisis.