African-American Michael Steele Takes Over Fractured GOP: Will He Join In As A Limbaugh Foot Soldier?
African-American Michael Steele Takes Over Fractured GOP: Will He Join In As A Limbaugh Foot Soldier?
Today, Republican National Committee (RNC) delegates chose former Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele as their new chairman. Steele is the first African-American to lead the party, which continues to struggle with diversity problems.
The choice of Steele represents a considerable failure for the social conservatives who dominated during the era of Tom DeLay and George W. Bush. These far right wingers — including Phyllis Schlafly, Tony Perkins, Richard Viguerie, and Ed Meese — all backed Kenneth Blackwell, who had one of the poorest showings in the election. The results after six rounds of ballots:
Similarly, on Twitter, Ana Marie Cox observed, “Strong showing for Steele –widely considered a ‘moderate’ — in #rncchair suggests that Rs at least considering abandoning Palinism,” which she defined as, “[a]ggressive know-nothingism, pride in ignorance.” “It’s a diverse party. We’re tired of being labeled as white supremacists,” said a committee member from Rhode Island.
Other losers in this race were Katon Dawson — who had been a member of a South Carolina whites-only country club — and Chip Saltsman — who proudly promoted the “Barack the Magic Negro” song.
It’s unclear, however, how much influence Steele will actually have in influencing Republican lawmakers who are proud to be Rush Limbaugh’s ditto heads. Last month, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney told CNN that “the most powerful voices of the party are going to be elected officials in the Senate, in the House, and in governors’ offices.” Those powerful voices are still embracing the hate radio host — who has called Obama a “little black man-child” — as a spokesman for their movement.
If Steele — who once called Bush his “homeboy” — is serious about reaching out to people of color, will he condemn Limbaugh? Or will he join the ranks of his fellow ditto heads?
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Oh, look! The GOP’s new token!
Awwwwwwwwww, isn’t that nice?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:12 pmIt’s not the person ….it’s the party idioligy. The Repugs haven’t changed anything.
Do you think, just because you put a black face infront of your party, you are now multicultrual ???? Nice try!!!
Change your idioligy and then we’ll talk even though it’s hard to change your stripes.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:15 pmGreat question. This choice is so unbelievably obvious it’s sad. They have a black RNC Chairman and now suddnely they are the party of diversity? Haha hilarious!
January 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmBet he keeps Rush on spead dial
January 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmIf Steele — who once called Bush his “homoboy”
— is serious about reaching out to people of color….NO.
—will he condemn Limbaugh? NO.
Or will he join the ranks of his fellow ditto heads? YES.
See that was easy.
;-)
January 30th, 2009 at 4:17 pmDo you think, just because you put a black face infront of your party, you are now multicultrual ???? Nice try!!!
The woman face didn’t work out too well for them either.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pmAn African American chairman does little for the anti-immigration, anti-diversity Republicants. Steele apparently doesn’t believe in church-state separation, since he opposes same-sex marriage on religious grounds. While I applaud his ascendancy, I see little more than a new face on the same body.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:18 pmSteele’s work is cut out for him. He’s going to have to find a way to guide the party away from the neocon ideology that’s holding it hostage, and his biggest obstacle is going to be the legions of dittoheads within the party who think everything is hunky-dory the way it is. He needn’t worry too much about the wingnuts defecting the party — where would they go?
Or, he will just continue plugging away with the old, failed ideology. Which will be manna from heaven for the Dems.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pmMy predicition is he’ll probably be ignored. The country is moving center-left, but you still have Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity trying to pull the GOP to the right. Not to mention the base of the party is mainly composed of WHITE SOUTHENERS. I’m not convinced they will embrace Steele b/c like Obama he is an African-American. Steele will have a tough hill to climb indeed.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pmApparently, Ann Coulter also said that Keith Olbermann is a “whining woman trapped in a man’s body”, today. Let me enlighten you, Ann: Keith has more balls than you ever have, and not because you opted to cut them off during childhood. You, Ann, represent the hardline conservatives that I roundly reject.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmRush Limbaugh is celebrating this affirmative action pick by bending over and grabbing his ankles!
-GSD
January 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmSteele is a complete dipshit, so he should fit in nicely.
Will he kiss Rush’s continent-sized ass? You betcha!
Would he then be incontinent? Ya sure, you betcha!
Does he know the difference between an office & an orifice? NO!
January 30th, 2009 at 4:22 pmCorrections:
Eliminate the comma after “today”, if you would kindly.
*than you will ever have
January 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pmI wonder is the Repukes are going to make up a new song?
“Steele the magic negro”?
I’m sure they would think it was not bigoted or anything like that.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pmI first gave the GOP the benefit of the doubt and assumed they elected an RNC chairman who happened to be black, instead of electing a black RNC chairman.
However, this is the party who gave us Sarah Palin, so I wouldn’t put anything past them.
If they elected Steele because he’s black above all other considerations, they’re going to find this will fly about as well as elevating Sarah Palin and Harriet Miers solely on the basis of gender.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pmAs always, misshusseinmolly, well said @ 15.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:26 pmAfrican-American Michael Steele Takes Over Fractured GOP: Will He Join In As A Limbaugh Foot Soldier?»
– - Puh-leeze. Steele is the titular head of the RNCC. Everyone knows the de facto leader is Limbaugh.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pmI concur. Beautifully said, Molly.
I think that Republicans will also have to contend with their extreme social conservatism. They need to become the responsible party, not the Christian Party of small government that doesn’t include not interfering with choice and marriage, a function of society that the church should have no dictation over. Modern Republicanism is rife with contradictions.
Using technology and a new face to sell the same ideology is not a winner.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:28 pmLimbaugh’s opinion of M.Steele:
“For GOP, he is a steal”..
January 30th, 2009 at 4:29 pmNow the Mccain campaign tried to pass Sarah Palin off as a Hilary Clinton substitute and you saw how that turned out. Care to try again GOP?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pmsteele’s a teevee personality… was there any question?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pmreally?
If Steele — who once called Bush his “homeboy” — is serious about reaching out to people of color, will he condemn Limbaugh? Or will he join the ranks of his fellow ditto heads?
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People, whether they are of color or no color, are generally smart enough to know who has their best interests in mind. Therefore, I think ideology that addresses their interests will be more impressive than a party leader whose skin matches theirs. If Steele really wants to “reach out to people of color”, he should keep that in mind.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:32 pmYou can put any color lipstick on a pig…….
January 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pmThis has got to drive the GOP’s dwindling base absolutely apesh*t.
After thinking America electing Barack Obama – and now this – the GOP bigots must think the apocalypse is upon them.
I love it!
January 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pmPeople, whether they are of color or no color, are generally smart enough to know who has their best interests in mind.
See 2000 and 2004 for proof that your statement is wrong. Especially 2004.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pmthat’s just twisted.
sorta like an african american volunteering to head aryan nation.
sado-masochistic freaks they are, each and every one of them.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pmBcaareful what you say it can come back at you. Now Steele is the RNC’s houseboy. This is yet another old trick from the 40’s and 50’s. Steele is a true servent like TV Show character Alderman Fred Davis. He is expected to get minorites to believe his bull and there’s only one problem. This in 2009 and the old time tricks of the past don’t work anymore. The RNC would have done better to just give Rush the job. Now Sarah Palin would have a serious problem as he is a true racist and Steele is really dark skin so he scare her and she might think he’s a Muslim too. Look if the GOP didn’t a black token they could have picked John Boehner as he does his best to keep himself brown year round with that dark deep tan.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:35 pmTeowens Says
January 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Now the Mccain campaign tried to pass Sarah Palin off as a Hilary Clinton substitute and you saw how that turned out. Care to try again GOP?
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Nah — they’ll never learn. In addition to trying to pass Sarah Palin off as a Hillary Clinton substitute, they also tried to pass off Clarence Thomas as a Thurgood Marshall substitute and Harriet Miers as a Sandra Day O’Connor substitute. They’ll never get it.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:35 pmDoes this mean all the southern govenors, senators, and representatives have to remove the lawn jockeys from in front of their houses?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pmoh yea… reminded by randi – it’s the
“DRILL, BABY, DRILL! AND DRILL NOW!” guy, from the CONvention…
…
meanwhile, record profits again for exxon…
January 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pmI heard that Michael Steele’s wife hates whitey.
-GSD
January 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pmNow Limbaugh can invite someone on his show to give him cover when he says something bigoted.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:39 pmday.
RIP
January 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
This means nothing, Mr. Steele is about as black and for black and brown interest as the economy is stable. If this fool woke up and thought he was black he’d kill himself.
Again tokenism at its finest, no self loving group will EVER be a part of the modern dar Repuppetcan party.
RIP
January 30th, 2009 at 4:41 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Will there be more Oreo incidents? I luv me sum oreos.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmYou mean this Michael Steele? He’s a republican now?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmHere’s a guy that fills in for Rush when he takes off:
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
Here’s Rush’s lead call screener that he works with him everyday:
http://www.thepopulation.ca/voices/authors/pocobelli/articles/snerdley_revealed.html
Here’s a quote from Thomas Sowell, black American economist and political columnist:
Here’s a link of congratulatory comments from Supreme Court Justice, Clarence Thomas and NFL player and good friend Ken Hutcherson:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_073108/content/01125110.guest.html
It’s possible all these men are blind to Limbaugh’s racism. It’s also possible that despite the divisive statements, Limbaugh is not the racist that the left is in such a fever to dismiss.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pmIt really is a belly laugh……I love it.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pmHard to believe Ken Blackwell didn’t get win!
January 30th, 2009 at 4:44 pmParty chairmanships don’t usually get a lot of press or get out in front of the party a lot. Which means he’s no good as a token.
If he wants to actually try to drag the GOP kicking and screaming into the light, it’s going to be insanely tough, considering their “base.” So: either he fails and is completely useless, he succeeds (fat chance) or he completely fragments the Republican party.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pmMichael Steele, the NEW Uncle Tom.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:45 pmbackup Says:
Here’s a guy that fills in for Rush when he takes off:
####
Here is Stephen Colbert’s black friend:
http://ourfounder.typepad.com/leblog/WindowsLiveWriter/BourdainsDisdain_8A86/image%7B0%7D%5B5%5D_1.png
January 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pmI do love it when the Repugs prove that it isn’t about color. Just who is willing to kneel and suck.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:46 pmbackup thinks clarance thomas is intelligent….ha.
and yes rush is a racist. The record speaks and no I won’t provide it for you again..
can we have a pool dad?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pmAll those men are glad to cash Rush Limbaugh’s paychecks.
-GSD
January 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pmi wonder why they didn’t ask kindasleezy? that’d be like winning the trifecta for them- black and a woman.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:52 pmGosh, see, they’ve shown everyone that they’re really not racist . .
It’s a grand day for the GOP [sniffle, sniffle], I’m just sooo proud!!
Pillboy giving out samples to reward the lemmings??
January 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pmbackup
It’s possible all these men are blind to Limbaugh’s racism. It’s also possible that despite the divisive statements, Limbaugh is not the racist that the left is in such a fever to dismiss.
On the February 1 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh responded to a Reuters report on a University of Chicago study that found that “a majority of young blacks feel alienated form today’s government” by asserting: “Why would that be? The government’s been taking care of them their whole lives.”
Limbaugh has repeatedly referred to American Indians as “injuns,” as Media Matters has documented.
As Media Matters also noted, Limbaugh has described illegal immigrants as an “invasive species” that U.S. courts willingly permit to enter the country.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200705230007
Only a sick person can see a reality is an illness, or as you put it ‘fever’
January 30th, 2009 at 4:54 pmJust curious… are we supposed to hope Steele succeeds because his father was black? Does it work that way?
I’m so sure that all people of color are now going to flock to the GOP. Just like they did with Bush’s selections of Powell and Rice. Just like all us vaginas were supposed to vote for Princess Wasilla.
PEACE
January 30th, 2009 at 4:55 pmHere’s what two conservatives have said:
1: The future of the Republican party may seem bleak to some, but I see a silver lining on the horizon, we just have to stick to our conservatives principles, fiscally responsible, strong military and pro family. We must reach out using those same principles to like minded people, hispanics by nature are conservative, they are hardworking, have strong relious views, and are pro family, we just need to continually and clearly present our message. Failure to express our views and our ideas to this evergrowing demographic will make us a minority party well into the future.
2: Rush Limbaugh is being hit by the drive-by media.
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1: A strong military that adopts questionable torture tactics? Beautiful. Denying loving same-sex partners the ability to adopt children in a system that’s lacking willing parents? Great. Kneeling before the Religious Right and brushing aside reasonable moderates? Check.
2: Is this even worthy of a response?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pmSo, they went with the affirmative action candidate in the vain hope that this will help them attract AA voters. They should have gone with a woman, it would have had much more of an impact. I find it telling that there wasn’t even one woman considered for the post.
Their only saving grace was that they were smart enough not to give the position to Blackwell.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:57 pmIt’s possible all these men are blind to Limbaugh’s racism. It’s also possible that despite the divisive statements, Limbaugh is not the racist that the left is in such a fever to dismiss.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I suspect it’s hard to call some racist pig a racist to their face when just swallowing hard and tongue-laving their prostate will yield s gusher of contributions from his fans…
January 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pmThe Republican party doesn’t want to change. They just want to change their image. Appointing this guy chairman is like that PR campaign to convince Iraq that the U.S. is good for them.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pmbackup,
You’ve tried to submit your “evidence” that Rush is not racist, based on the fact that a few black men have praised him. Your evidence did not persuade us before, and it won’t now. Please stop repeating it.
Rush Limbaugh is a racist. That is a fact.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pmWayne A. Schneider Says: “Rush Limbaugh is a racist. That is a fact.”
January 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pmat least according to the definition of the network that bagged his arse after making those comments when he was a “sportscaster”
Awwww, backup, what a nice, loyal little doggy you are!!!
Here’s a Milk Bone – enjoy!
January 30th, 2009 at 5:04 pmSteele soon will get accustmoed to questions like:
“Are you a Moslen…”
January 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pmbackup Says:
If your point was to show that all of these men are black, so therefore “theres no way Rush is racist, see he has black friends” then you are sadly mistaken, ALL of these men are “colored”.
And before you get on your “just because they dont think like the other 99.9 44/100% of you he’s not black bullS_it, kill it,. These men have made their careers trying to “prove” how un-black they are, if they were Jewish, they would be called self-hating Jews, the way Jews who are against the occupation and Zionism are called, so save that for someone else.
Oh yea and you forgot Ward Connerlly (sp), Jesse Patterson, and the other handful of self-hating negros who vote against their peoples self interest, as well as the people who look like them that have paid the ultimate price only to be denied by the modern day Repuppetcan (yea we know they WERE dixiecrats then).
Idiot
RIP
January 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Anyone recall his Senate campaign TV commercials in’06, I thought they were really well done. He came across the screen as something that’s hard to do in politics, someone who appears intelligent and able to speak in a comfortable parlance. If the RNC chair is used as a ‘public face’ of a party, I think they choose wisely.
Now, do i disagree with his policies–certainly. Is he a wonder political operative that has demonstrated an ability to drag his party to success? I do not recall him doing so in Prince Georges County. But a complete idiot or party hack being described here…well, I think its over the top.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:06 pmRepublicans do not need to play this color game..
January 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pmAll what they have to do is respect other races,colors and other religions…
They will do fine wihout Steele.
Rush Limbaugh, some of his best friends are black!
He even honors them with a statue of a black man holding a lamp on his lawn.
-GSD
January 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pmbackup Says:
It’s possible all these men are blind to Limbaugh’s racism. It’s also possible that despite the divisive statements, Limbaugh is not the racist that the left is in such a fever to dismiss.
Of course they are blind to Limpball’s racism. They either depend on him for a paycheck or they are right wing neoCONs.
So, what’s your point? Do you really think that Limpballs isn’t a racist? He just says all those racist things for the fun of it?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pmB-Cup – I have some advice for you. Register for a Critical Thinking class at your local JC. It might make your posts a little more comprehensible.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:10 pmColbert’s hilarious.
Here’s one of Rush’s black friends:
From my link above.
This doesn’t sound like the relationship of a racist. He’s made some ignorant, divisive, damaging comments. He’s also on the air, live, a lot. I don’t think he’s a racist. And I contend the basis for most of the comments in question have an ideological basis and not a racial one.
Progressives want to use these comments to dismiss the whole message. Limbaugh’s the new target since progressives have swept the white house and the congress. There isn’t a conservative politician willing to peek his head out. The 20 million that listen to Limbaugh don’t listen because he makes ignorant comments. They listen because in between ignorant comments, he effectively articulates a legitimate alternative to the progressive agenda. Even today, it threatens progressives. Just count the number of Limbaugh threads here in the last 3 days.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:12 pmDarn. I missed B-cup telling us that Rush isn’t racist because he has black friends.
I guess he’s going to extrapolate that further to claim that the GOP isn’t the home of racists because they picked Michael Steele to chair the party.
I have to say, though, that B-cup’s argument totally turned my head around. I now realize that Archie Bunker wasn’t a bigot on All in the Family, because he let Lionel into his house and because he let Sammy Davis Jr. give him a kiss. So I totally took all that dialogue the wrong way back in the 70s.
my bad.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pmAnd I contend the basis for most of the comments in question have an ideological basis and not a racial one.
So, backup,
When Rush once told a black caller, “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back”, that was based on ideology and not race?
And I contend the basis for most of the comments in question have an ideological basis and not a racial one.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pmSorry, I forgot to delete the repeated part of backup’s comment.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pmI contend the basis for most of the comments in question have an ideological basis and not a racial one.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pm—
And I contend his only ideology is ratings and dollars. I think he just says shit like any shock jock. Those that think he is some sort of standard bearer for their fuc ked up political ideas are being duped yet again just as the evangelicals are played
zenster666 Says:
Will there be more Oreo incidents? I luv me sum oreos.
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There never WAS an oreo incident. That was a rightwing lie. The guy who cleaned up the auditorium said he didnt clean up any oreos. We shouldnt be repeating as if they had substance rightwing propaganda
January 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pmmisshusseinmolly:
I have a question for you. Did you commune with the ghost of Molly Ivins on Election night? That was one of my first coherent thoughts after I stopped screaming and crying – Molly must be smiling and doing cartwheels up there in heaven. I so miss her intelligence and wit. She would have been a pistol during the campaign.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pmbackup Says:
It’s possible all these men are blind to Limbaugh’s racism. It’s also possible that despite the divisive statements, Limbaugh is not the racist that the left is in such a fever to dismiss.
The Left doesn’t have to do anything to portray Rush as a racist. He does that for himself.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pmbackup Says:
It’s possible all these men are blind to Limbaugh’s racism. It’s also possible that despite the divisive statements, Limbaugh is not the racist that the left is in such a fever to dismiss.
So, Rush is just pretending to be a racist? Why would he do that?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pmWayne. Show me the source for that comment and I’ll take a look at it.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pmdargumedo Says:
I agree with the title bit. TP doesnt need to be sensational like drugde et al (see: Media Matters ) The title is practically begging BillO to call TP ‘hateful’ and other nonsense, which is fine. It is simply harder to defend yourself when your headlines look like tabloids.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pmSo he has speaking talent, so did Hitler. He failed too, the racial issues that are inherent in the republican party will take care of this.
I realized when talking to a young woman who voted for mccain but after talking to her for a while realized that she disagreed with him on everything……eventually, accidentally, because I never think of it, the truth came out…….Obama is black.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pmThat’s come from the only true black friend you have.
Speaks for itself.
RIP
January 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Limbaugh foot soldier?
So he’d bend over, grab his ankles and be violated by Rush’s foot?
Sounds like what minorities already do for the GOP.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pmDid anyone else notice this: “UPDATE In 2006, Limbaugh said he had a high level of “respect” for Steele.”
Mighty white of him.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:17 pmSo what you’re saying backedup is that some of Rush’s best friends are black? Priceless.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:18 pmdargumedo Says:
I agree with the title bit. TP doesnt need to be sensational like drugde et al (see: Media Matters ) The title is practically begging BillO to call TP ‘hateful’ and other nonsense, which is fine. It is simply harder to defend yourself when your headlines look like tabloids.
I see nothing wrong with the headline. It’s a legitimate question considering the fact that Rush Limbaugh seems to have taken over as the de-facto leader of the Republican party.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:18 pmBackup,
I listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, and Savage almost every day. I do this for three reasons.
1. I live in Utah, and that is the only media available. Congressman Cannon’s brother owns the largest local newspaper and if you don’t like far right news, there isn’t anything else.
2. To make fun of them.
3. To remind me of why I am a democrat.
I’ll bet a giant chunk of his listeners are laughing at him as opposed to with him.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:20 pmshow me, feed me, validate me…….
January 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pmbackup Says:
Progressives want to use these comments to dismiss the whole message. Limbaugh’s the new target since progressives have swept the white house and the congress.
No, idiot, Limpballs is a target because he made himself one by saying that he hopes that Obama fails. The conservatives I know are totally appalled with Limpballs and what is happening to their party. If the last election wasn’t enough to push them out of the party, this new direction surely will.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pmWhat next backed up, are you going to tell us that Rush has a sound guy who is from Cuba so he obviously loves all Mexicans?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pmFred Says:
So he has speaking talent, so did Hitler.
Not trying to be a PC Nazi(…irony…) but, Hitler?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmWayne. I think I found the quote. Sounds like a quote from the 70’s (Limbaugh in his mid -20s) that he later regretted. You have a point, but you’ll have to admit that going thirty some years back stretches the relevance.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmChris LeJeune Says:
I listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, and Savage almost every day. I do this for three reasons.
My hat is off to you. You must have a constitution of iron. I want to vomit every time I listen to any of those cretins.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmSomeone help me out here — is b-cup saying that Rush isn’t racist because he employs black people? I mean, he pays them for working for him?
Does b-cup think that if Rush were truly racist, he would own these people, house them on his own plantation and feed them just enough to keep them strong enough to do the work he demanded of them?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmbackup,
I posted it before when you posted your list of Rush lovers on a previous thread, but here it is again. Verified by Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp
January 30th, 2009 at 5:25 pmNo, backup, I think it shows that this has been an ongoing problem with Rush for decades.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:26 pmLimbaugh is a public figure. That makes him a target when he says he wants the brand new president to fail. The economy is hanging by a thread hoping for light at the end of the tunnel buy Mr. $40 million wants him to fail. And now because people are pissed he’s being unfairly judged. He’s been painting bullseyes on targets his whole career. What a pansy he is dishing it out all the time and then whining when he gets it back. Pathetically typical of republiscum.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:27 pmSounds like? WTF! Why don’t you just make more sh#t up while you’re at it.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:28 pmWill there be more Oreo incidents? I luv me sum oreos.
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There never WAS an oreo incident. That was a rightwing lie. The guy who cleaned up the auditorium said he didnt clean up any oreos. We shouldnt be repeating as if they had substance rightwing propaganda
Um, yeah Eugene, exactly. Except Steele claimed that Oreos rolled around his feet. So the fact is he claims there was an incident. Expect more of these shanannigans.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:28 pmHere’s Limbaugh’s quote in context:
“Look, what he’s talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the U.S. government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don’t want this to work.”
In the view of absorbing the private sector businesses into gov’t control, I hope he does fail. Overall, I hope he succeeds.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:30 pmand on the subject of racism, kiss my butt.
Some of my best friends are (insert any nonpopular group her you choose)
Mahatma Ghandi had some real neat ideas. So did Buddha. Martin Luther King. Alexander II of Russia. Ben Franklin. Tutu. Jesus. Genghis Khan. And a whole slew of folks from different ‘races’. Humanity is not ethnocentric. It has nothing to do with melanin. It is based in compassion.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:30 pmJeezus H. Christ, b-cup. It’s not like Wayne pulled out the only racially-spiked comment Rush has ever made. There’s a pattern here. It’s a pattern that’s difficult to ignore, but for you, probably easy to excuse. Have at it.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:31 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Chris LeJeune Says:
I listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, and Savage almost every day. I do this for three reasons.
My hat is off to you. You must have a constitution of iron. I want to vomit every time I listen to any of those cretins.
Personally, if I had to listen to all three I’d play Russian roulette with a completely loaded revolver.
Five minutes of Hannity just on TV makes me want to invest in bricks.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:31 pmI’m unapologetic. When you consider what the right compares us and specifically Obama to it is only fair. I fight them on their ground.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:32 pmSay, backup, how’s that Milk Bone? Would you care for a Snausage…? Good doggy!!
January 30th, 2009 at 5:32 pmbackup Says:
Here’s Limbaugh’s quote in context:
“Look, what he’s talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the U.S. government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don’t want this to work.”
In the view of absorbing the private sector businesses into gov’t control, I hope he does fail. Overall, I hope he succeeds.
And you accept that everything Rush said is 100% true? Got news for you, he’s just trying to get you riled up so you stop thinking. It’s a common right-wing tactic, since they are almost always void of any intellectual arguments to support their views.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:33 pmzenster666 Says:
Right, sorry, I misunderstood your post. Perhaps he will hire a few people to toss oreos at him to bolster his bona fides as an independent black politician
January 30th, 2009 at 5:33 pmAnyhoo, Uncle Tom is going to send Uncle Cracker over the edge. FABULOUS!
January 30th, 2009 at 5:34 pmMichael Steele is nothing more then a black Sean Hannity.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:34 pmi guess this means no more “obama was elected BECAUSE he was black” from the wingnuts.
right.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:35 pmGive him a minute. He’s chasing his tail again.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:36 pmY’know, b-cup, providing the context to Rush’s hope for failure doesn’t really help it much.
Of course, if you believe that Obama seeks to accomplish “absorption of as much of the private sector by the U.S. government as possible” then I have to seriously question your judgment.
As if your enthusiastic defense of El Rushbo wasn’t enough.
Bottom line — does Rush want the president to succeed in his stewardship of this nation?
No.
Not unless he does it the way Rush wants it done — the way Bush screwed it all up in the first place.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:36 pmThis was about race.
We have to be nice to him because his father was black.
Two things Rush said about President Obama. Will he now say the same about Michael Steele?
Now what will happen? They only have the South left in the Republican Party. They are not going to be happy about this. Saxby Chambilss head will explode.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:37 pmI wonder if all the hateful red necks in the republican party think about this move? Will we see whiny comments like “Steele is going to destroy our party” or “Steele should just stick to basketball” or vile comments like they said about President Obama.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:38 pmif=what
January 30th, 2009 at 5:39 pmShayne, thank you. How rude of me! My bad.
Backup, whenever you’re ready – your Snausage is waiting.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:40 pmLimbaugh made all his money through hate speak. Then President Obama told the congressmen that they need to stop listening to Rush at the expense of their constituents and the next thing Rush is complaining that Obama wants him to fail. Reminds me of the trolls to a tee.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:41 pmWayne. I’ll concede that the ongoing nature of the comments are difficult to dismiss.
you’re right. Although Rush seems to have personal relationships with blacks that would be atypical of a racist. And my personal experience of listening to his program doesn’t give me the impression he has a problem with race, the comments shed doubt even on the supporter and convince the detractor.
Although I believe he effectively articulates alternatives to progressive ideals – the comments detract from that message and provide ammunition to opponents to dismiss the other less divisive, more relevant positions.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:42 pmY’know… funny thing about that “context” that b-cup offered for his idol there.
It’s not the original quote, as RHF points out.
Here’s the original (emphasis mine):
So I’m thinking of replying to the guy, “Okay, I’ll send you a response, but I don’t need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails.” (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here’s the point. Everybody thinks it’s outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, “Oh, you can’t do that.” Why not? Why is it any different, what’s new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what’s gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:43 pmGeesh, the GOP/RNC proves once again that they cannot pick a winner. Six ballots and still no winner, just Michael Steele the prime definition of a loser.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:44 pmAwwww, backup, I’ll bet Rush is soooooo proud of you!!!! What a GOOD little doggy you are!!
January 30th, 2009 at 5:45 pmWhy is it any different, what’s new, what is unfair about my saying I hope Limbaughlism fails? Limbaughlism is our problem. Limbaughlism is what’s gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it?
There. Fixed it. ;o)
January 30th, 2009 at 5:46 pmI can’t think of anything more oxy moron than a black Republican. A true Hummer with a “Love your Mother” bumper sticker on it.
How one could do this to his own people, suck up to the party of rednecks, racists, trailer trash on one side — the CEOs, backstabbers, morally wretched on the other, beats me.
Hopefully the electorate will see through this.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:47 pmOk, this may not be pc, but I have to say it.
His selection just smacks of tokenism to me. It just looks like they’re looking for their own “magic negro”. It’s just hard to buy considering all the Palins, Limbaughs, et al in the republican party. And, until there’s more than 5 total republican African Americans in the house and senate, I just can’t take this as being genuine.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:48 pmbackup Says:
Here’s Limbaugh’s quote in context:
“Look, what he’s talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the U.S. government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don’t want this to work.”
In the view of absorbing the private sector businesses into gov’t control, I hope he does fail. Overall, I hope he succeeds.
What you posted is Rush’s revised version of what he said after the public outcry.
Here’s the actual transcript of what he said:
Please B-cup, take that Critical Thinking class.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pmYou’re right– its NOT “p. c.”
But it sure seems accurate, doesn’t it?
I mean, Michael Steele? The best man for the job? The times I’ve heard him speak, he’s never struck me as especially bright.
But I could see some committee members thinking “The Dems won a big victory by running a black man. We needs to get our own black feller to catch up.”
I know I’m assuming the worst of the RNC but, really, haven’t they earned that assumption?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pmbackup Says:
Why do you appolgize for this slimeball? There isnt any dispute whatsoever that Rush makes purely racist statements and voices racist opinions. Either he IS a racist or he is pandering TO racists he feels are in his audience. Either way he is scum. When you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. Avoid the fleas and stop making appologies for this walking colostomy bag
January 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pmHow is their crazy base going to react to this? They can’t possible handle it.
The leadership of this party has exhibited one wild, knee-jerk reaction after another. No one is minding the store anymore. They can’t put together coherent policies they are constantly crying to the right-wing media about stuff and their grandstanding is so ill-conceived that this has really blown my previous distinctions between adult and teenage behavior completely apart.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:54 pmB-Cup – Since you are apparently one of the 24% of people in this country who has little ego strength and needs a father figure (like Rush) to tell you what to think and how to act, perhaps some intensive therapy may help you build enough ego strength that you will finally be able to think for yourself. That and TAKE THAT CRITICAL THINKING CLASS.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pmEugeneDebs. you have a point. But, how credible can the criticism about Limbaugh’s comments be, if we’re not going to dismiss comments like this:
TXProgressive.
Which way is it? If Limbaugh’s comments are unacceptable, are the progressive versions somehow different?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:59 pmBilbo. I’ll look into the critical thinking class, if you take a look at how Limbaugh listeners rank higher in knowledge polls, than Colbert and Daily Show watchers, and signifcantly above MSNBC watchers.
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1356
If Limbaugh’s and idiot and by extention his listeners are idiots; what conclusions would you draw of those less knowledgeable?
January 30th, 2009 at 6:04 pmbackup, Colbert and Jon Stewart are comedians, that’s why they’re on Comedy Central.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:08 pmralph. you’re wrong on this. It doesn’t seem much different than what progressives criticize Limbaugh for.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:08 pmShayne. And MSNBC?
January 30th, 2009 at 6:08 pm126
January 30th, 2009 at 6:09 pmand if these data were proven valid would you also accept the clear statistical trend between education/knowledge and party affiliation?
backup Says:
I wouldnt have said it but that is a false equivalence. What is said HERE is like cocktail party gossip. RUSH spews his racist idiocy to a national audience. That is the difference between calling your sister in law a whore at a family picnic and taking out a full page ad in the NYTimes calling her a whore.The culpability is no where near the same
January 30th, 2009 at 6:14 pmBackup:
Chris Matthews and Hardball, a fairly liberal-slanting program, rates very highly, as well as the New Yorker, a fairly liberal magazine that endorsed Kerry/Obama, ranks higher than Limbaugh. Three questions is hardly a basis for political knowledge.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pmbackup Says:
Here’s one of Rush’s black friends…This doesn’t sound like the relationship of a racist.
Sure it does. We’ve gone over this before, though. Some racists hang out with minorities. Some minorities hang out with racists. Hanging out with a black friend doesn’t make Rush any less racist than it makes his friend any less black. What he says is what matters.
I’d also like to point out that in your quote, his black friend explicitly points out that no other black person would hang out with him.
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backup Says:
He’s made some ignorant, divisive, damaging comments. He’s also on the air, live, a lot. I don’t think he’s a racist. And I contend the basis for most of the comments in question have an ideological basis and not a racial one.
Progressives want to use these comments to dismiss the whole message.
Racism is an ideology. There are lots of non-racists who are on the air, live, just as much as he is, and don’t have the problem of saying something foul when they occasionally “drop their guard.”
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backup Says:
Here’s Limbaugh’s quote in context:
I’m cool with Rush hoping Obama fails. I hoped (in vain) that Bush would fail in executing many of his disastrous policies.
I’d just like to reiterate what I said elsewhere, that Obama wasn’t criticizing Rush directly, but rather criticizing Republicans in Congress who seemed to be following his lead.
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ralph the wonder llama Says:
Y’know… funny thing about that “context” that b-cup offered for his idol there.
It’s not the original quote, as RHF points out.
Yeah, pretty much every time they scream “context,” actually doing a Google search yields amazing results. Especially with the bible thumpers.
Just wanna post this link again, to make sure nobody missed it.
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backup Says:
But, how credible can the criticism about Limbaugh’s comments be, if we’re not going to dismiss comments like this:
Which way is it?
1. TXProgressive doesn’t have Rush’s level of a platform. We don’t have to apologize for a random website commenter. Until you see Dems in Congress kissing TXProgressive’s butt, it doesn’t matter what he says.
2. That was a reference to the way that Rush and his friends were using the term. They are the ones who changed the context.
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backup Says:
…if you take a look at how Limbaugh listeners rank higher in knowledge polls…
One poll. One poll only. Don’t gratuitously pluralize. I’m also sick of hearing “trillions” in ever discussion of the stimulus plan.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pmPssst, backup – give it up. Nobody’s buying.
You really look stupid here touting Rush Limbaugh as an enlightened Renaissance man.
Reeeeeeeeeeally stupid.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pmMy profuse apologies for the answers:
and the New Yorker*
are hardly a basis*
January 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pmI’m sure Limbaugh’s listeners are enlightened on how he imitated Michael J. Fox in the most tasteless manner I’ve ever had the misfortune to witness. I’m sure they also know that he condemned Obama’s policies and literally prayed for their failure…and then, shockingly, had the nerve to complain when he perceived comments from Obama as a concealed wish for Limbaugh himself to fail as a radio host.
Ugh.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:19 pmEugeneDebs. ralph is not a racist. But, take a look at the comment objectively:
ralph has an ideological difference with republicans and Steele, but do you see how someone could see his dismissal of Steele as having a racial component?
Rush has a troubling track record, but again, I think most of the troubling comments are based in ideology and not race.
ralph isn’t a racist, but his comments could be construed as racist by someone who wasn’t familiar with him.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:24 pmI think most of the troubling comments are based in ideology and not race.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:26 pm–
And once again I think his ideology goes no farther than his pocketbook. He simply delivers bullshit to those that wish to eat it and then scampers off to the bank.
backup Says:
Which way is it? If Limbaugh’s comments are unacceptable, are the progressive versions somehow different?
January 30th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
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Yes. Yes, they are. It all depends on who is saying the word and the intent. When Rush plays “Barack the Magic Negro” to disparage Barack Obama, it’s racist. When a non-racist progressive refers to it, it’s not.
And, yes. You’re right. It is. Tough. Life is full of double-standards.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:27 pmbackup Says:
No they couldnt unless you are really LOOKING for it. Criticising ONE PERSON, in a way that is NOT based on a negative racial stereotype is NOT racist it doesnt point to BLACKS being less than other races it just says he thinks STEELE is less than other politicans for reasons NOT based on his race then extrapolates that the GOP is using his race. I cant see any POSSIBLE racist take on that. It isnt within MILES of saying take that bone out of your nose or that the composite of criminals always looks like Jesse Jackson. NO. Rush tosses out racist BS. He either does it because he IS a racist or because he is pandering to them. Ralphs comment isnt in the same ballpark.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:28 pmWay to grasp at straws, backup!! Nice one!
January 30th, 2009 at 6:32 pmHave a pupperoni!!
January 30th, 2009 at 6:32 pmbackup Says:
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1356
If Limbaugh’s and idiot and by extention his listeners are idiots; what conclusions would you draw of those less knowledgeable?
January 30th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
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That they were marginally more unable to identify Gordon Brown as the Prime Minister of Great Britain.
“High knowledge” in that poll does not mean “more knowledgeable.” It means that the listeners were able to identify the Democratic majority in Congress, Condi Rice, and Gordon Brown. That’s it.
If you want a more useful stat, check the number of college graduates among NPR listeners versus Rush.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:32 pmEugeneDebs.
Think about ralph’s comment compared to Rush’s McNabb comment.
I believe that Rush was making the point that McNabb really wasn’t that good a quarterback, but that people were inflating his standing because he was black.
In ralph’s comment he is making the point that Steele isn’t that bright, but republican’s are elevating him because he is black.
I understand that you don’t see the racial component in ralph’s comment, because as you accurately explain, you’re not looking for it.
But, that’s the point. Progressives are looking for the racial components in Rush’s comments. Whether he is racist or not.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:38 pmbackup:
January 30th, 2009 at 6:47 pmI realize you think you are making some sort of intellectual argument and I respect that effort but go back and read what you have already said. It seems you are just chasing your tail. Rush is a sideshow designed to make money. Nothing more. Nothing less
toaterhead. my take is that there are plenty of bright people on both sides of the ideological spectrum. But, the latest push, is that Limbaugh’s crazy and by extention, his audience is crazy. I just disagree with that.
BTW. I obviously listen to Rush, when I can. I love the Colbert show. I like the Daily Show. I watch MSNBC and most of the cable news networks. I like NPR, but rarely catch it. And I read the economist only when I have a lot of time.
I understand the push to discredit Limbaugh. He’s the biggest target, since there are no significant conservative politicians left. But, a defense of Limbaugh is probably less a defense for the comments that make the headlines, and more a defense to maintain an ideological alternative to progressivism.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:58 pmFunny Hardball with Chris Matthews is 3rd on the entire list and apparently they yanked him out and didn’t include him with MSNBC. What other extrapolations did the mess with the numbers on? I’ll look.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:59 pmbackup Says:
Rush has a troubling track record, but again, I think most of the troubling comments are based in ideology and not race.
Well, his racist comments may not be what troubles you, but they are what troubles us. The fact that the racism isn’t what troubles you might be something you want to reflect on.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:11 pmPay close attention, b-cup; my criticism of Michael Steele is based on what i’ve seen of him on camera.
His race has no bearing on whether I think he’s bright or not. The fact that I note his race doesn’t make my comment racist. If that’s your position, you really need to rethink it.
Michael Steele’s race has a bearing on my assessment of the RNC’s motives, but how is that racist? Is NPR racist because they note that he’s the first African American to hold the post, and in the post-Obama world, that is important? Seems like using your standards, that should be your judgment.
You’re really looking foolish here, b-cup. I;m one of the few here who thought you had something upstairs, and I’m rapidly losing that conviction.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:20 pmHi ralph.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pmI used to like you till backup told me you were “ralph the racist wonder llama”
Rush is a celebrity with a $40 million contract. He’s fair game. Live with it backup. You people still attack Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy and you want us to leave Rush alone. Fat chance.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:23 pmThat is such bullshit. If you’re going to defend Limbaugh’s comments, then defend them.
Don’t cop out and claim it’s some noble effort to “maintain an ideological alternative to progressivism”. As if the conservative viewpoint was going to vanish from the airwaves.
Come to think of it, the progressive view has pretty much vanished from the airwaves over the last thirty years… maybe b-cup has a point.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:25 pmBut, a defense of Limbaugh is probably less a defense for the comments that make the headlines, and more a defense to maintain an ideological alternative to progressivism.
What your side fails to grasp is that your ideas do not result in a free nation. In fact, your ideas have been tried in places like Chile. For the people of Chile, it was disastrous. You complain that we want the government to control everything. That is not so. What is so is that your side wants to privatize all government servidces. That would be disastrous, and that is one of the reasons we fight so hard against you guys.
You are trying to take this country down.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:26 pmAnd that matters how?
January 30th, 2009 at 7:28 pmBut dbadass, it’s not true! I have black friends!!!
Honest!!!
January 30th, 2009 at 7:30 pmbackup Says:
…and more a defense to maintain an ideological alternative to progressivism.
You realize that “progressivism” just means “making the world a better place?” Do you really want to maintain the ideological alternative to that?
January 30th, 2009 at 7:36 pmHey backup.
I hear that ralph the racist wonder llama thinks they are better that al the awesome Aapaca and valerie the valient vicuna…
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Rsh is a d-bag. Just give it up okay?
January 30th, 2009 at 7:38 pmlet’s put a l where that a in alpaca is and a u in the name of that d ouche bag. K?
January 30th, 2009 at 7:39 pmIt is obvious that GOP leaders got the message that they need to work harder to get the minorities to trust them,but by simply putting a black man on the top does not do it.
Republicans need to get serious about doing the peoples business of all races,colores and religions,they need to show they represent as a party all Americans and not just only white Christians.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pmIf that were to happen, I could begin to respect them.
The problem is they couldn’t pursue their current agenda and do the things you suggest at the same time.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:45 pmAs an afro-american female this pick shows me what I knew about the Republican all along. They think if they make this move more minorities will come there way. Wrong. When I seen how many minorities were in the room today it made me sick. So Mr. Steele the republican party really has you played for a fool. The republican party will never change they just won’t that one group of people and that is all. After hearing what men like Dick Armny,Chris Wallace and others say about woman we will not turn back and join your party. You are acting like we have forgotten, you are wrong. Wish you luck with this pick it just won’t work on we the people.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:01 pmtarazan Says:
It is obvious that GOP leaders got the message that they need to work harder to get the minorities to trust them,but by simply putting a black man on the top does not do it.
To their credit they’ve tried before. Typically they “reach out to minorities” every three years or so, but can’t keep it up for more than a few months before returning to their regular neanderthalism.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:01 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
I’m one of the few here who thought you had something upstairs, and I’m rapidly losing that conviction.
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Naner-naner-naner…
(Thumb to nose, wiggling fingers in ralph’s direction…)
Told you so!!! Ha-ha…
January 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pmAnd Steele stiffed the homeless folks he bussed in from Philly tol hand out untruthful flyer in 2006 election. What a guy!
January 30th, 2009 at 8:30 pmbackup Says:
Think about ralph’s comment compared to Rush’s McNabb comment.
I believe that Rush was making the point that McNabb really wasn’t that good a quarterback, but that people were inflating his standing because he was black.
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YEAH and that would make sense IF it were true. Except McNabb was one of the best QBs in the league his stats put him in the top three or four. THAT means Rush was LOOKING to see an advantage JUST because he was black that DIDNT EXIST. THAT would be racist. He wanted to push one of his favorite racist idiocies. That black people are SO advantaged. For instance a QB that is CLEARLY one of the best in the league gets good press ONLY because he is black NOT because he was CLEARLY one of the best in the league.
In ralph’s comment he is making the point that Steele isn’t that bright, but republican’s are elevating him because he is black.
I understand that you don’t see the racial component in ralph’s comment, because as you accurately explain, you’re not looking for it.
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NO. YOU are reaching not me. I saw a racial component to what Rush said because THERE WAS NO OTHER POSSIBLE EXPlANATION. What he said was outright ludicrous. McNabbs stats and accomplishments meant the ONLY reason Rush could make such a ludicrous statement is he WISHED IT WERE TRUE. That is because he WANTED McNabbs positive press to be only because he was black. You keep avoiding this the two statements are different because Rushs was absolutly STUPID. There ARE reasons to think Steele isnt that bright though I think overall he IS pretty bright. Really YOU are doing the same thing Rush did. Making an argument that is frankly ridiculous to push your agenda and opinion but they are no where NEAR supported by facts.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:32 pmbarack obomber Says:
Crawl back into your hole you ignorant racist piece of garbage. You ARE the pustulent boil on Rushs butt
January 30th, 2009 at 8:35 pmNice explication of b-cup’s argument, Eugene. Thanks.
And TRoS… (sigh)
… when you’re right, you’re right.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pmoh. here’s where the kooks are. hey kooks, w/up?
could the gopers be bigger copycats?
don’t think so.
nice token.
is he a “magic negro”, or a “macaca”?
does sarah palin think he’s a witch?
January 30th, 2009 at 8:52 pmEugeneDebs Says:
backup Says:
Part of my answer dissapeared. I think Steels is a bright guy but he sometimes does really dumb things. Like Biden. Biden is clearly a bright guy but someone saying he WASNT very bright could easily point to the REALLY stupid things he says regularly so there is REASON to claim Steele isnt very bright though I would disagree. That is NOT true about McNabb it is well established how to judge a QB stats and did he lead them to the playoffs and championship games which McNabb DID DO. So there is NO other reason to make the claim Rush did other than that he WISHES it were true for racist reasons.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:10 pmEugene. Rush worked on ESPN. I only caught about 10 minutes, but I think the whole show today was with Ken Hutcherson (a black guy) discussing the Superbowl.
I still don’t understand why so many here think that it is irrelevant to the charge of racism that Rush has black friends and associates that respect him,
Additionally, he’s into football. He studies it.
ralph says he’s making an objective observation from watching Steele. Okay that’s fair. But, what’s Rush doing? He believes McNabb isn’t that great. Just like ralph thinks Steele isn’t that great. Then they both go to ascribe the possible motive that the reason McNabb and Steele have been elevated is not due to their performance – but due to their race.
Explain to me the difference. Just as I don’t believe ralph is a racist – I don’t think Limbaugh’s comment was a racist one.
To me the difference is familiarity and ideological perspective.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:16 pm*
you have GOT to see the description, of this election, by Melissa Harris Lacewell on Rachel tonight…
they had to go to “planet Black-guy” to find the kryptonite to knock out Super-Barack-man…
yeah right… but funny…
January 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pmI see your point, Eugene.
My assessment of Michael Steele is based, as I said, on the TV appearances I’ve seen of him, and the things I’ve read that he has said. He just doesn’t come off as very bright to me.
And, as you note, Limbaugh made no such specific criticism of McNabb, didn’t bother to make an argument that might demonstrate that the acclaim he was getting was undeserved, just blamed it on his race.
He resigned, probably under pressure and in my mind, it wasn’t necessarily because he’d said something offensive; it was likely more because he had just demonstrated an almost total paucity of football acumen.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pmbackup Says:
Sure some of his best friends are black. It isnt relevant because he keeps saying these things and EITHER it is because he IS a racist or because he is pandering to racists and either one is just as bad.
You keep trying to dodge the relevant point. NO RUSH didnt just think McNabb wasnt that good. He was saying he ONLY got such good press because he was black. NO POSSIBLE READING of the mans stats and accomplishments at that time could justify that opinion NO POSSIBLE READING OF THEM PERIOD. He WAS one of the best QBs in the game. You are just twising yourself into a pretzel and ignoring the PLAIN FACTS to make appologies for a man who either IS a racist or panders to racists it really is that simple. I hope you enjoy your fleas
January 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pmThe unity in the GOP House vote also speaks to racism and the fanning of the flames that the McCain/Palin campaign so obviously wrought.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pmLimbaugh is but a coded metaphor of the same thing that Fox News is, a veiled attempt at white constituency solidarity.
Notwithstanding the transparent nomination of Steele (discretion is not a GOP fault); the illusions, delusions, denials, revisions and out right lies continues even after the disasteroud Bush era and the equally disasterous GOP 2008 campaigns.
American’s (not counting the GOP base) do see through all the smoke and mirrors of the Republican’s attempts at an agenda one that is focused only on continuing what has brought them
(and almost this nation) to the brink of total implosion.
What the GOP does not accept is that the era of predominantly white rule is over. America has caught up with its true nature, it is a nation of immigrants and multicultural heirtage and religions. It is not a majority white nation nor is it a Christian nation only.
The quivering underpinnings of the knee jerk GOP reactions designed to cater to the GOP base are barely sustained white racial expressions of resentment, anger, fear and refusal to accept the reality that America has changed.
Unlike the calculated ruse of the Steele nomination that rings shallow and obviously echos a continuation of an incalcitrant GOP; the Obama nomination is real, heartfelt and echos in the new face of America.
Jeezus, b-cup, you are thick.
let’s approach this another way: the last time you made this argument in a thread here, I noted the specificity of Limbaugh’s argument. It didn’t seem to apply when other black quarterbacks were examined.
You see, in order for Limbaugh’s critique to be at all defensible as an honest assessment — and I’m talking here about his elevation in the media being due to his race — then other, similarly untalented quarterbacks should receive the same treatment as McNabb, as long as they were black. If that is the criteria by which the media decides whom to celebrate, then Quincy Carter should have been a superstar too. Jason Campbell should be doing soup commercials. Jamarcus Russell should be a household name.
Yet they’re not. Did Rush take those stories into account when he declared that McNabb’s celebrity was due solely to his race?
Doesn’t seem like it, does it?
THAT is racist — allowing another’s racial status to determine their character for you.
Limbaugh did that. He decided that McNabb was overrated (that’s the assessment that called into question his football acumen) and then attributed that overestimation to his race.
It’s the old “reverse racism” argument the Right loves to try to sell in order to reflect back their own troubles with the issue (projection, I think it’s called).
While my assessment of Michael Steele’s success within the RNC bears a passing surface resemblance to Rush’s comments, one of the important differences is this: the media had no incentive to “be desirous that a black quarterback succeed”. What would the media gain by such a campaign?
Now let’s look at the RNC: what would they gain by having a black face as the chair? Well, judging by their 4$ share of the African American vote in November and their struggle against the growing perception of a regional party of white people, they stand to gain a hell of a lot of credibility, as long as people don’t look too far beneath the surface.
So my judgment is at least based on reasonably sound strategic thinking, and a solid pattern of RNC lip service to minorities. Sure, Michael Steele may have been the best candidate for this post today. My assessment of his intellect may be inaccurate. Maybe the things he says that sound so dumb to me sound brilliant to conservatives. But you can’t deny the value he holds for the RNC as a black man in the age of Obama.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:38 pmSorry, that should be “their 4% share”.
ralph the wonder llama regrets the error.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:42 pmbackup Says:
But, what’s Rush doing? He believes McNabb isn’t that great.
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Like I said the other night… I think Rush manufactured the whole “McNabb is overrated” controversy as a smoke screen to cover the fact that he was out of place on MNF and was going to be gone REAL SOON.
Rush understand football? HAH!!! Rush understands oxycon. Rush understands Krispy Kremes and frightened, crying little boys… but football?
To be tossed, that quickly, off of MNF would be as embarrassing for Rush as, well… as fast as the 1/2 Hr News Hr got cancelled.
By Rush’s standards (McNabb hasn’t won a SB ring…), Dan Marino would have to be considered overrated too, huh?
You know what is funny? Whenever Limbaugh and Savage/Weiner get on television, once the audiences actually SEE the person that goes w/ the voice, they are GONE, almost immediately.
Now, THAT’s funny.
January 30th, 2009 at 9:59 pmOkay. I’m going to quit, I don’t get the vibe that Rush is a racist. But, I’m more convinced after listening here that the comments are troubling and divisive. He would be better, and the rest of us, would be better off without them.
I’ve said before that Republicans have a problem with race. Rush’s comments exasperate the problem.
I hope Republicans didn’t nominate Steele just because he’s black. I’ve seen Steele speak, he seems qualified enough to me.
Regardless of the reason, when you take into account conservatives poor standing among blacks, it’s seems like a positive step for the Republican party.
I’m out, but thanks for the discussion.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:18 pmbackup Says:
Okay. I’m going to quit, I don’t get the vibe that Rush is a racist.
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I’m not sure Rush is racist either, but I do think he plays that edge for all it’s worth.
I’d say he’s exploitative and manipulative, for sure.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pmHeadline:
Black Man Given Second Worst Job in America, Too”
January 30th, 2009 at 10:54 pmI was thinking the same thing Wayne.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pmAfter Palin, I find this choice …well… predictable.
January 31st, 2009 at 1:00 amTRoS, I think yours is the soundest judgment; whether Rush is truly racist or not is difficult for any of us to say, since we know he’s an entertainer and he’s admitted that he says stuff he doesn’t believe on his show.
But he obviously knows that coded racism plays well with his target audience.
…althpugh MNF wasn’t his “target audience” and he should have known better there, so that leads me to believe that he really is racist at his core and sometimes forgets to mask it in public as well as he should.
January 31st, 2009 at 1:06 amI think the British had a very popular comedy with this sort of thing.
January 31st, 2009 at 7:13 ambackup Says:
I still don’t understand why so many here think that it is irrelevant to the charge of racism that Rush has black friends and associates that respect him…
Because lots of history’s worst racists have had personal friends of the race they helped to subjugate. You can theorize that in his personal life, Rush is not a racist at all. But his personal life is none of my or your business. It’s his public statements that I take issue with, and publicly, he’s a racist.
But, what’s Rush doing? He believes McNabb isn’t that great. Just like ralph thinks Steele isn’t that great. Then they both go to ascribe the possible motive that the reason McNabb and Steele have been elevated is not due to their performance – but due to their race.
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backup Says:
But, what’s Rush doing? He believes McNabb isn’t that great. Just like ralph thinks Steele isn’t that great. Then they both go to ascribe the possible motive that the reason McNabb and Steele have been elevated is not due to their performance – but due to their race.
The difference is that the NFL is a meritocracy; you either perform on the feel or you don’t. McNabb did. Therefore, to ascribe race to the attention he garnered is a stretch; it indicates that you think of race first, and everything else second. The GOP on the other hand has a significant statistical bias against minorities. They’re hardly ever represented and very rarely promoted. Furthermore as a platform, the GOP not only fails to address their concerns, but it flat-out denies that they have any concerns as a group. For them to elevate Steele, when he was hardly the best resume in the running, would indicate that it is the GOP that’s thinking about race first, other considerations second.
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backup Says:
I hope Republicans didn’t nominate Steele just because he’s black.
If you’re interested in the improvement of the GOP, you should hope that they did. It’s just possible that Steele might be able to steer the party to one that groups other than rich white men feel welcome in. Unlikely, but it could signal a step in the right direction Two notes: One, Steele’s promotion by itself won’t do anything; to have an effect Steele would have to work to change the party if he’s interested in doing so. Two, it’s not clear that Steele will be interested at all in welcoming other blacks or other racial minorities into the Republican tent; we’ve seen many instances in which “token” minorities work actively against the interests of other minorities once elevated, such as Clarence Thomas.
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ralph the wonder llama Says:
TRoS, I think yours is the soundest judgment; whether Rush is truly racist or not is difficult for any of us to say, since we know he’s an entertainer and he’s admitted that he says stuff he doesn’t believe on his show.
Consider the following proposition: “Sure I work at Auchwitz during the day, but I don’t personally have a problem with Jews or Gypsies, I like them just fine. PUtting them in ovens is just what I do for my job.” Then consider whether you could qualify such a person as non-racist.
January 31st, 2009 at 1:29 pmAnnie – treats aren’t working . . . give him a can of Skippy and NO operner . . . it’ll take HOURS to gnaw the lid off . . .
January 31st, 2009 at 3:08 pmWhy all the chatter on the man’s race?
January 31st, 2009 at 3:39 pmI was hoping to hear more relevant dialogue on this site
-disappointed
suzysmom Says:
THe hipocracy out here is just unbelievable. You embrace your muslim half white half black MESSIAH and say these terrible things about Michael Steele, calling hin an uncle tom and oreo cookie
1. We don’t call Obama a Messiah, you do.
2. Religion is not genetic.
3. Where race is concerned, what we’re concerned about with any leader, black or white, is what their leadership means for other racial minorities. If a black or white leader tries to make things worse for minorities, he’s supporting a condition of racism. If he tries to make things better for them, then he’s not. Steele is a Republican.
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suzysmom Says:
You liberals are the most venemous toxic people on the planet. You support everything that is the opposite of the Judeo-Christian religion
No you!
We don’t lie to start wars, cheerlead religious wars, imprison people without trial, torture them, seek to enrich the rich, strip rights from gender minorities, or turn our backs on the poor. You support everything that is the opposite of what Christ said during his lifetime.
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suzysmom Says:
your DEMO DAYS ARE NUMBERED :)
Republicans’ numbered days are in the negative integers already.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:18 pmI didn’t know there were that many private insurance companies willing to cover experimental drugs. The government, on the other hand, which usually funds the experiments, would be more likely to approve (since they need people for testing.)
How sad to be you, suzysmom, filled with so much hate and ignorance. How sad to be suzy.
January 31st, 2009 at 11:31 pm“…your care is rationed and you are denied an experimental cancer treatment drug that your private insurance that you once held would have approved that drug, and you are told that your 2 rounds of chemo are all you get…
That’s pretty much the way healthcare is right now. Again, what planet are you living on?
February 1st, 2009 at 12:11 amSuzysmom, are you the crazy-haired lady that told McCain that Obama was an Arab?
February 1st, 2009 at 12:29 amsuzysmom,
You rant like an acerebralist.
I’ve called you offensive and ignorant because you have proven yourself to be both. I stand by that assessment.
February 1st, 2009 at 12:41 amRegarding whether Steele is likely to do the heavy lifting to transform the GOP into a party that welcomes African-Americans: Probably not:
Just as I feared, the only African-American he’s ever going to help is himself.
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suzysmom Says:
so when you have your socializaed medicine and your care is rationed and you are denied an experimental cancer treatment drug that your private insurance that you once held would have approved that drug, and you are told that your 2 rounds of chemo are all you get, will you still be glad of how you crated the socialist United states?
My employer-based health insurance doesn’t cover crazy stuff like that. Nobody I know’s does. Most all of the doctors in my town are “out of network” too. So I pay for health insurance, but mostly don’t get it. I don’t know what kind of gold-plated policy you’re talking about, but most workers in the U.S. have less care than a single payer plan would cover.
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suzysmom Says:
Why do so many canadians come to the US for health care/treatment.
Why do so many Americans go to Canada for health care/treatment?
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suzysmom Says:
I couldn’t believe that people were actually crying at the IMMACULATION. they had tears in their eyes. and that one woman who said obama would pay her mortgage and buy her gasoline.
Change……change that will kill you!!!
What are you talking about? I don’t understand how those words go together. You are a crazy lady.
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Jane E. Schneider Says:
Suzysmom, are you the crazy-haired lady that told McCain that Obama was an Arab?
I think you’re on to something there. That would explain a lot. I was going to respond to her following rants, but “you are a crazy lady” pretty much is all I can say about those too.
February 1st, 2009 at 1:37 amElBruce, she saw Wayne’s facebook picture, which was taken when he was in college about 30 years ago. Ha!
February 1st, 2009 at 3:27 amI have a terrible feeling that Obama may, in a way, be like a foot soldier of Bush.
I have a terrible feeling that Obama is not going to pursue criminal prosecution against George W. Bush and others—contrary to what has been fittingly suggested by the Society of American Law Teachers.
Please check out the information below to see why.
I like black people.
Black people are cool!
With all due respect to Obama: I really don’t mean to insult Obama, but I have a terrible feeling that Obama is not going to be substantially helpful in terms of so much of the racial discrimination inflicted against black people by white people.
Bush’s racial discrimination against black people was of epic proportions—with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court to uphold the “RULE OF LAW” and stop it from happening.
I can’t picture that Obama is about to go and undo all of Bush’s racial discrimination against black people.
For example, Bush murdered a black woman—Margie Schoedinger.
“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). Retrieved November 29, 2008, from http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).
Obama should have the guts to assemble workers from the FBI and/or one or more state attorney general offices and say something similar to the following:
“I, Obama, am the most powerful person in America now. Bush is no longer the president and thus no longer the most powerful person in America. I, Obama, am in control now. I, Obama, demand that the ultimate law-enforcement workers in this country investigate Bush and then proceed to have him locked away for life or executed for murdering the black woman—Margie Schoedinger. I, Obama, am black, and I find Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger to be personally offensive. I, Obama, feel it is once again like the time of slavery when white people killed black people with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court to stop it from happening or prosecute it. I, Obama, am not going to go around in the modern-day democracy feeling like a black slave of white people—especially while I am the president of the United States. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for murdering a black woman. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for racially discriminating against black people pursuant to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to supply financial compensation to the black people who were harmed by Bush’s racial discrimination and who are still alive. I, Obama, am taken aback by Bush having been so evil in wrongfully causing the deaths of so many black people pursuant to his racist response relative to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to take advantage of my time as a racial-minority president and not allow “Bush’s KKK-Neo-Nazi mentality” to rule over and oppress black people in America.”
Unfortunately, I can’t picture Obama having the guts to assemble workers from the FBI and/or one or more state attorney general offices to rightfully bring Bush down—as suggested above.
What does this mean?
Does this mean that Obama is going to be a huge disappointment to black people and/or racial minorities otherwise?
Does it mean that Obama realizes that the USA is a predominantly white country and doesn’t want to rub powerful, former, white, government officials the wrong way?
Does it mean that Obama is like a black person who prances around wearing a KKK outfit or a uniform featuring the swastika symbol—in a figurative sense (not a literal sense)?
Does it mean that Obama is a weakling?
This is Obama’s opportunity to flourish and champion the interests of racial minority people in the U.S.A. Obama has four or eight years to do just that. To the extent Obama “steps down” to what can be illustratively referred to as the “Bush-KKK-Neo-Nazi mentality” while Obama is the most powerful person in the country, Obama simply disappoints racial minority people all over the place.
Obama needs to show that he is in charge, pursue Bush for murdering the black woman—Margie Schoedinger, financially compensate and/or restore and/or reward black people who were racially discriminated against and harmed by Bush pursuant to Hurricane Katrina, fight racial profiling, and make America a better place for all racial minority people who are racially discriminated against.
Of course, Obama needs to seek prosecution against Bush and the others.
But if Obama does not even help out his own people, specifically, black people, where Bush had victimized so many of them, then Obama probably will not try to bring Bush down for warrantless surveillance; torture; cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of suspects; etc.
Obama needs to change and participate in seeking incarceration against Bush.
If Obama is not prepared to change accordingly, then he really shouldn’t have been talking about “change.”
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February 1st, 2009 at 3:48 amWang111,
I have to respectfully disagree with your remarks.
I believe that it is no less racist to want to do something for black peple than it is to want to do something against black people, if the only reason you are doing it is because they are black.
When I look at President Obama, I don’t see “a black man”. I see “a young man, with good oratory skills, who carries himself with a great deal of confidence, who has a beautiful wife and two cute little girls, and who happens to also be black.” I, and many others on the left, do not define Obama by the color of his skin. We don’t see him as a black man first and president second, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t, either.
If Obama were to do as you suggest he do, then he would rightfully be accused of not treating all Americans equally. He can certainly help people who happen to be black (by changing policies that disproportionately hurt not just people who happen to be black, but people who are not black, too), but he can’t just help black people in particular. That would be wrong.
February 1st, 2009 at 11:09 amsuzysmom Says:
Let me tell you what is toxic. YOUR STUPIDITY. I cant believe how utterly ignorant you are. I have tossed bellybutton lint smarter than you. How can you be half Muslim? Of course you KNOW Obama is a Christian you are just a liar and a fool besides being unbelievably ignorant. You spew lies then talk about US being toxic? You are a colostomy bag and you are FULL. Take a small section of your stupidity fold it till its all corners then deposit it where the sun never shines you stupid pea brained ignoramus
February 1st, 2009 at 12:55 pmsuzysmom Says:
YOu are stupid beyond human comprehension. Tell me have you EVER had a thought that wasnt put there by Rush Limbaugh? You ignorant loaf. Go soak your had and please, overdo it. Certainly you have nothing to lose. You are already lacking a functional cerebral cortex. I think you could increase your IQ by stuffing your head with sand.
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