Barney Frank: ‘The largest spending bill in history is going to turn out to be the war in Iraq.’
By on Feb 1st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Barney Frank: ‘The largest spending bill in history is going to turn out to be the war in Iraq.’
Today on ABC’s This Week, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) criticized the economic recovery package currently before the chamber as “the largest spending bill in history.” Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) shot back that in reality, the largest spending bill in history “is going to turn out to be the war in Iraq.” Watch it:
The Wonk Room’s Pat Garofalo notes that while the Iraq was was financed with borrowed money and turned “a budget surplus into a record deficit and debt,” the economic recovery package will “boost consumer demand and put people back to work, while simultaneously investing in long-term strength through infrastructure, health care, and education.”
Update Sam Stein adds, "The argument Frank makes is that in the context of chiding government spending, self-purported fiscal conservatives should not be entitled to selective memory."
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wow… i can just imagine what was said in the already deleted comment here…
February 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pmi almost stood up to cheer!
barney did a great job this morning…
February 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pmBut they still want to run things the same way……too bad for them. their new battle cry instead of drill baby drill is “cry baby cry”
I’m using it Katy, it fits.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:27 pmOccasionally Barney Frank has his moments. Unfortunately they are often overshadowed by his “foot in mouth” tendencies.
But, he is entirely correct. Every time some Republicant troll comes on a blog and starts whining about how this stimulus bill will be a bill that will have to be paid by their children and grandchildren my reply is “so…I would much rather run up a debt that invests in this country that our children and grandchildren will pay rather than a debt ran up for a vanity war against a country who was never a threat to us. Funny thing, they never have an intelligent reply to that.
After this stimulus package is passed, I hope that Obama’s next order of business will be to make Corporations pay their fair share of taxes. When I read that 65% of all corporations don’t pay any income taxes, it made me very angry. I have also read that if all the Corporations were forced to pay the minimum rate for Corporations, with no loopholes or shelters, and if all the rich people in this country paid their fair share, again without off-shoring their money in tax shelters, we could pay off our debt in a couple of years.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:30 pmHelp Us Keep the Weapons Makers Out of the Pentagon-VotersForPeace
Reject the nomination of William Lynn
The nominee for Deputy Secretary of Defense, the chief operating officer of the Pentagon, is a lobbyist for Raytheon. William Lynn, is due $1.5 million in payouts for his work lobbying for the defense industry.
This revolving door has to stop. We need to break the military-industrial complex and stop having defense contractors and their lobbyists working on the inside of the Pentagon.
Write President Obama and urge him to withdraw the nomination and replace it with an independent voice who will look critically on the bloated military budget.
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February 1st, 2009 at 2:30 pmHeavens to Merkatroid!! Time to stop the BS lines out of the conservative whiners! Tax cuts are the American way… Just goes to show you how out of touch the right wingers are! Way to go Barney, put them in their place!
February 1st, 2009 at 2:39 pmWhen our soldiers come home you will hear the ghost stories of reality and it will shock you. All the money the Pentagon and the Bush Administration said that was used for our troops is a big lie. I have the recipts to prove it as my child was stationed in both Iraq and Afghanstan. The taxpayers have paid Trillions in just Iraq alone without our Law Makers saying a word about it. For each Iraq/Afgan citizen we paid 2,500 cash, for each person tortured in Iraq prisons and other Foreign prisons by mistake we paid taxpayers money. For those Americans who take pride in the words Support Our Troops, our soldier had money taken out of their pay for cleaning and food serviced by Halliburton. Yet the same about was billed to the US Treasury in the contract. The food was powered eggs and watered down milk. The cleaning was done by Halliburton. In Iraq when the American companies went over there the cost of a can of coke was 6 dollars so most soldiers asked family memebers or friends to send supplies. I had 26 pages of the orders my child made ordering things like water, food, bathroom tissue, soap and etc. The crimes done to our troops are horrorible and when the truth is told it will make the worse time in our history. Military families have told the Law Makers for 8 years with nothing said or done. So when the audit is done for the spending of Iraq look for many many zero’s that make the Obama taxpayer bailout look like small change.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:47 pmI love you Barney Frank !!!
February 1st, 2009 at 2:47 pmAmericans are realizing this….it is the American Awakening.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:54 pmThe Problem is NOT a lack of Investment Capital…as the tax cutters suggest. Most of the Plants and Equipment in this country IS “State of the Art” and Highly Productive….and often sits Idle….
The Problem Businesses Face is Lack of CUSTOMERS, and people without Jobs (or in fear of losing their jobs) are NOT Good Customers.
As Frank Rich Notes in today’s NY Times:
What are Americans still buying? Big Macs, Campbell’s soup, Hershey’s chocolate and Spam — the four food groups of the apocalypse.
If the Govt. wants to stimulate the economy by cutting Taxes…they should start with the PAYROLL Tax.
This will results in customers with more Money…Not New Machinery that sits Idle.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:56 pmThank you, Barney. Repugs spent our country into the poorhouse, and now they want to preach “fiscal responsibility” when it comes to helping ordinary Americans instead of corporate CEO’s. Pathetic.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:57 pmConservatives are all for $$ to put cops on the street, $$ to build highways, $$ to build schools, $$ to build hospitals, $$ to provide healthcare.
So long as those things get built in Iraq they are all for spending that $$.
Or conversely they are all for spending that $$ on high tech bombs to destroy those things in Iraq in 2003.
February 1st, 2009 at 2:59 pmConservatives are for funneling money to contractors so that they could “build” schools and hospitals in Iraq. I put build in “” because what’s actually being built is not up to standard because profit trumps everything to conservatives…The only things conservatives are for are oppressing their scapegoats and enriching themselves…
February 1st, 2009 at 3:11 pmHope your child is safely back and stays safe, Jackie.
The profiteering,cronyism, and nepotism regarding the Iraq War is breathtaking.
Unfortunately, the small number of troops works to the Pentagon’s advantage as far as the degree to which the nation is concerned about the troops. During the later years of the Viet Nam war, most working-class people, and a lot of the middle class knew someone who was serving in combat. The Iraq war is an abstraction to most Americans.
Bang the drum! Military families might want to get word and evidence out to as many receptive media outlets as possible, and after getting some momentum, hit the mainstream media. Let this administration know, too. A lot of contractors have blown the whistle, but that’s been a bit suppressed in the MSM.
I don’t know how you feel about these consecutive tours, but I think that should be absolutely forbidden in any case other than an attack on our country.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:16 pmWhoa! Spending on an off budget emergency basis only for destructive shit that blows up and doesn’t actually create jobs isn’t spending.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:17 pmLet’s hope the next step the military establishment takes is to go back to the self sufficient armed forces that doesn’t need privatized support.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:18 pmThen the real cost of going to war would be prohibitive in all but the most urgent case of self defense.
how ’bout when he said A Tax Cut Won’t Educate Your Child
February 1st, 2009 at 3:18 pmOne of the chief underlying causes of our fiscal mess has been the concentration of an ever greater share of our national wealth in the hands of the welthy, robbing the engine of the economy of the fuel of commerce. The Cheney-Bush tax cuts were a major contributor to this inequity. Heaping new cuts on the system will further exacerbate this imbalance. Creating jobs by hiring people with tax money is one short term way out of the morass created by eight years of criminal conspiracy.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:31 pmOh hell yeah, Barney. Well done.
I love how you take Steffie and DeMint’s patronizing attitude and throw it in their faces.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:35 pmNo kidding. The bill is already in the ballpark of the second world war (updated for the cost of living).
February 1st, 2009 at 3:36 pmwindsor Says:
Of course Krugman is a war mongering neo-con that Zero listens to.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:35 pm
You really don’t have to prove to us how stupid you are — we already know.
How about a link that works, huh? Try again.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pmThere should be a “Common Sense Party”. Spending billions for a war that the Republicans love. Yes they love war. Will everyone do me a favor. When anyone starts putting down the stimulus package call the person a RUSH ROBOT. And they are fueled by Limbaugh Kool-Aid. That realy pisses them off. I did that and then I start impersonating a robot then they walk away.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pmQuickest way out of current economic recession:
#1 Withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq and cancel all contracts with Bush/Cheney security and “services” companies (Blackwater, Halliburton (KBR), and more:
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/bush-cheney-drugs.htm
#2 Immediately require all firms that have received government bail-out funds to suspend CEO perk packages (and any CEOs who have received any bonuses required to return them). Also require full accounting of every dime the firms received.
#3 No further funds should be given to institutions but instead, the Jon Stewart plan should be followed, “give bail-out money to citizens who must then use it for either paying mortgages or credit card debt.”
February 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pmObviously, Windsornut can’t and won’t provide the context in which Mr. Krugman made that observation. Like his hate radio hero Limpballs, he won’t do that because it would blow his Strawman argument to the winds.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:39 pmI hate to say this but I agree with the republicans that there are some items in this bill that need to be cut. Also, we need to enforce the ‘Buy American’ for any construction jobs or businesses created. An example, if some type of parts store is opened and the store gets most of it’s product or parts from China, how does this help our economy? Sure we add jobs but…
One thing I believe President Barack Obama needs to do ASAP is to start renegotiating NAFTA and other trade agreements that do more harm to American workers and businesses then they do good.
Now I hear we will need to give a second bail out to the banksters. Screw that, how about cutting a $20,000.00 check for every American household. This would not only give millions of struggling Americans some much needed relief but I believe it would also stimulate our economy more then by bailing out the banks a second time.
I keep hearing the so called economic experts on TV say that consumers need confidence that the economy is going in the right direction before they will start spending and investing again. No…consumers need jobs and money to start spending and investing again.
It’s also time to put the republican myth to rest that tax cuts for the wealthy and more tax breaks for corporations are what stimulate the economy and create jobs. How did this work out for our economy the last eight years. And Barney Frank is correct what he says about the cost of the Iraq war, but you never hear the right complain about our children having to pay for that.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:41 pmBy the way Windsornut, I read that op-ed when it was published and understood the point that Mr Krugman was making. See, its called deductive reasoning. Try it sometime.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:42 pmwindsor Says:
YOU are an ignorant punk troll that NO ONE listens to. What is it about this site that draws the most ignorant people on the planet? Just go away you stupid piece of garbage. You have yet to make a cogent argument. Your gibberish is tiresome and you are worthless. You are a virus except not nearly as bright. Time to go to your proctologist and ask him to search for your head
February 1st, 2009 at 3:43 pmIt’s funny how republicans attack FDR’s new deal program, calling it socialism and yet they don’t attack President Eisenhower for his Federal program that built our interstate highway system. I guess the difference was Eisenhower attached a military importance to having these highways built.
FDR’s new deal may have been costly but it put many Americans back to work and it built parks, dams, bridges and highways. In short, the new deal put Americans back to work, who then were able to put a roof over their families heads and the ability to feed their families, it generated income which helped eventually to stimulate our economy and building our nation into the strongest and richest nation in history. Suck on that repigs!
February 1st, 2009 at 3:49 pmFranks echoes what we have been screaming from the sidelines for a long time.
February 1st, 2009 at 3:57 pmRepugniscum, led by Bush&Co, have brought the country its record deficits and debts — all while enriching themselves.
They should be embarrassed, but true to form, they are self-righteous and sanctimonious in their criticism of the Democrats.
Good day to all, I just popped in to say that we will no longer be referring to those with capital R’s at the end of their names as Republicans anymore, (even though we havent been anyway) but for the record they will now be referred to as R-Rushpuppetcans.
Thank you enjoy your day and enjoy the Super Bowl.
RIP
February 1st, 2009 at 4:00 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Thank you Rep. Frank for clearing through the BS and simply stating facts.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:01 pmIt’s unfortunate that many working poor are convinced that government spending on social problems is a burden to them. The Republicans and most economists manage to convince a lot of people that public spending on infrastructure, education, and safety nets is like burning money (except that it will cause inflation). Giving billions and billions of dollars to the financial elite is good for everybody. And military spending is transcendent in a way that it isn’t actually “government spending” and trillions of dollars wasted on the Iraq War somehow doesn’t figure into our current insolvency.
What’s it going to take to get people to snap out of this trance? It will, at the least, require Democrats to speak bluntly and without apology as Barney Frank did. These simple things need to be repeated over and over and over again to counter the dominance of Econ 101 propaganda.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:03 pmwindsor Says:
You ignorant punk. You have already shown us how stupid you are. Why do you parade your vast ignorance around like it is something to be proud of? The only draft around here is from the wind whistling through your ears. The stench of your stupidity is stinking up this site. The lice on your head are smarter than you also more useful. Being a bloodsucking parasite would be an evolutionary step UP for you. I shouldnt have insulted herpes before by comparing you to it.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:04 pmBarney Frank is just another blame America, unpatriotic liberal, who cannot seem to understand that we need weapons to back up our way of life. War is our most profitable business. We’re talking jobs here…..I miss the Soviet Union….great enemies are hard to find. I am not sure our economy could work as a peace time economy. Weapons is all we really produce. ‘Cept for movies and sports. And barbeque….
Maybe Grover what’is name is right …..if we have big enough tax cuts we may be able to starve the military….
And start over….
Salmon Dave
February 1st, 2009 at 4:05 pmMendocino CA
Salmon Dave Says:
I dunno Davey. That was a fair satirical impression of a truly stupid, brainwashed, braindead moron. A little over the top though and I wouldnt quit my day job if I were you.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:09 pmWell, Barney is probably right, Iraq will cost more than stimulus packages, but I have not forgotten how he used some old bill to help push the bank bailout scam thru congress that 90% of the people were against.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:12 pmSalmon Dave,
So what if “war is our most profitable business”? Why do we have to go for what’s “most profitable”? Especially when people have to die in order to make those profits?
BTW, you’ll get no support from anyone here if you start off calling anyone a “blame America liberal”. That’s a red flag that tells us you parrot talking points, and have nothing original to say otherwise. I’m giving you a chance.
Why do people have to die so that you can enjoy “the most profitable” business?
February 1st, 2009 at 4:12 pm*
PUPPY BOWL V!
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February 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pmI was willing to give the GOP the benefit of the doubt, until seeing this. They are no more than partisan obstructionists.
My blog post on the subject here:
February 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pmWow repugs will stave people to death by not passing the bill and subsequently repugs will have people killed during their war.
The way I see it repugs only like white fetuses.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pmhttp://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=2dffd57a22d64da3985fc229b8512fe2&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=2dffd57a22d64da3985fc229b8512fe2&plckPostId=Blog%3a2dffd57a22d64da3985fc229b8512fe2Post%3a32e7342f-2bbb-47a9-886a-933ef4fb1b90&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest
February 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pmI can’t wait for this answer Wayne!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:15 pmBarney Frank is just another blame America, unpatriotic liberal, who cannot seem to understand that we need weapons to back up our way of life. War is our most profitable business -=Dave=-
If thats true then why isnt our economy booming what with two wars going? War is not the most profitable business as average citizens cannot buy, or need, tanks, planes, ships or high tech battlefield communications systems.
As well 70% of our GDP comes from average people consuming products and paying taxes. Its those taxes that pay for weapons.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:16 pmKaty, are you watching Animal Planet? :D I love Puppy Bowls!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pmAlso, Salmon Dave, lets look at north Korea, they seem to think weapons and military are the most important thing.
So, what Salmon Dave is actually saying is that America should be more like North Korea…you see how well that is working.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:18 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Now, that’s where barney Frank was wrong! repukes like demint NEVER planned on paying for their war of choice. they planned on boning their grand kids for the bill like the deadbeats they are.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:19 pmThe GOP has become the Party of No, as in No ideas, No alternative programs, No Nothing. All they can do is flog the Socialism meme and whimper about tax cuts and deregulation being the surefire cure, despite the fact, as Frank said, all these things got us in the mess we’re in. Terri Schiavo could’ve come up with better ideas than the GOP. The GOP’s legacy over the last 8+ years has been one miserable, murderous failure after another, starting with 9/11, Iraq and Katrina.
Meanwhile, away from the Crawford ranch, let’s examine the first 1000, er, 10 days of Obama’s legacy, as the GOP would have it.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:20 pmAnd further, if weapons were so profitable then obviously our defense budget, paid by taxpayers, wouldnt be required as it the weapons builders would fund themselves….but they dont.
And why Salmon Dave, if weapons are so profitable, must the Iraq/Afghanistan wars be funded thru emergency supplemental funds? Why isnt the arms industry paying for these wars?
February 1st, 2009 at 4:23 pmSomeone else wrote this on an earlier thread but it bears repeating I think. The Rush Limbaugh Party really hates the Middle Class.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:23 pmOT Challenge for anyone. (Trolls welcome)
Please cite ONE example where TAX cuts to Corporations stimulated the economy.
TicToc….
February 1st, 2009 at 4:24 pmWar is not the most profitable business as average citizens cannot buy, or need, tanks, planes, ships or high tech battlefield communications systems.
Plus it’s only profitable for the contractors, and even then probably most profitable for the contracting companies’ CEOs. It’s the taxpayers paying for all of those cost-plus no-bid contracts.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pmIt’s about damn time some one call these jerks on this!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pmIt’s almost sad seeing these assclowns grasping at hope that isn’t there.
February 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pmTired of Fighting –
how about R-RushpuppetCONs …?
February 1st, 2009 at 4:27 pmRandomChaos Says:
“Please cite ONE example where TAX cuts to Corporations stimulated the economy.”
Dubai. After we gave haliburton huge tax cuts and billions in american dollars, they bagged arse and moved to dubai, stimulating their economy.
what’s my prize?
February 1st, 2009 at 4:30 pmThe Limbaughts are involved in class warfare, no doubt, but they very class they are killing, with poverty wages, offshoring jobs, is what creates 70% of the GDP.
When Americans lose the ability to consume so goes the economy.
They won, but also lost, the class war by killing the very host on which they thrived.
Bravo!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:30 pmPlus it’s only profitable for the contractors, and even then probably most profitable for the contracting companies’ CEOs. It’s the taxpayers paying for all of those cost-plus no-bid contracts. -=Jane=-
I concur
February 1st, 2009 at 4:32 pmyes, jane… tuned in towards the end of the “kitty half time”…
don’t need marching bands for this game!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:32 pm*
SOON – interview with President Barack Obama at 5e/4c on NBC…
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February 1st, 2009 at 4:39 pmRep. Frank is totally correct. We still don’t know what the cost will be to re-arm and re-equip our completely over worked and trashed military. We still don’t know what the cost will be for the thousands upon thousands of maimed veterans who’ve come home. We still don’t know the costs that this bogus war will bring us by enabling our enemies. Anyone thinking it’s unpatriotic to bring this up is a seriously demented looser!
February 1st, 2009 at 4:41 pmThanks, X. I hope that the new administration will do something about those costly government contracts, they’re so freaking wasteful.
Aw, Katy, I miss having kittens running around (sigh.)
February 1st, 2009 at 4:42 pmSo, did those jerks learn anything from that exchange? Has a republican ever been enlightened? When will they realize what they have done in Iraq?
February 1st, 2009 at 4:46 pmBozo,
Sorry, that only gets you a pffft.
The economy = U.S.of A
But I give you an Excellent for effort.
No other takers?
February 1st, 2009 at 5:02 pmThe thing about wars is sure, you create jobs through the military-industrial complex. However, you could also create the same number of jobs, say, laying some fiberoptic cable. The difference is that bombs just blow up and go away, helping no one, whereas fiberoptic cable is useful, and its utility can be further leveraged by private interests. Constructive investment creates an economic environment in which business can do better. Destructive spending just goes away, leaving rubble and angry foreigners. At the end of the day, any government spending should be justified by it’s answer to the question “what do you have to show for it?”
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Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Occasionally Barney Frank has his moments. Unfortunately they are often overshadowed by his “foot in mouth” tendencies.
I don’t hear about his gaffes nearly as much as his zingers. If you want to land some oh-SNAPs, you gotta swing for the fences. And nobody puts down R’s like Barney.
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windsor Says:
According to Nobel Prize winning economist, Paul Krugman, the largest public works program in history was WW2.
Certainly in real terms, a greater percentage of the nation’s work was geared towards WWII than anything. However, in raw dollar amounts, I believe Barney’s correct. That’s fair, since the comparison is against other contemporary spending intitiatives, not historical ones.
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Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
I hate to say this but I agree with the republicans that there are some items in this bill that need to be cut.
It’s inevitable in any large bill that everybody on all sides is going to point to something they don’t want to see in there. That’s just how the sausage gets made.
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windsor Says:
When FDR took office unemployment was 25%, 10 years later when he got us into WW2 it was all the way down to 20%. I certainly hope that the Great Zero can do better.
He’ll have to not capitulate to the Republicans as much as FDR did in order to do that. FDR isn’t the only one who’s been in this situation: FDR, Carter, Clinton and now Obama all inherited trashed economies from the R’s; their historical success has been solely based on how well they were able to fix the problems that the R’s created. FDR limped along for too long, before finally having a good enough reason to get significant spending past the R’s (WWII). Carter tried to be nice and bipartisan, and ended up getting kicked out in a landslide for failing to repair the Republican mess in his first 4 years. Clinton did better, and was awarded with two terms and a the very least begrudging respect for his abilities.
Obama’s challenge is to avoid being a Carter, or even an FDR; in order to do that, he’s going to have to actually go for it, and quit trying to water down his proposals to make the R’s happy.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:02 pmElBruce, very nicely handled on your vivisection of windsore’s latest lame troll dropping.
So I feel comfortable in drawing attention to an obscure, but still stupid bit of phrasing our trolly friend chose to employ:
Did y’all see that? Roosevelt got us into WW2.
It wasn’t the Germans taking over Europe.
It wasn’t even Japan bombing Pearl Harbor that got us into WW2.
It was that stupid liberal Roosevelt, according to windsore. No wonder trolls get so little respect around here, except occasionally for their stamina.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:14 pmI seem to recall a little guy, with a goofy mustache, who believed war was profitable and enemies served to unify his country. He was wrong and came to a very bad end.
BTW. Post Depression unemployment was only at 20% if you fail to count all of those who were PUT TO WORK by FDR’s policies. Of course, GOoPers don’t excel at honesty or mathematics.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pmTrolls are nothing but RepubliCon stooges.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:20 pmdynomite interview!
we have a very smart funny intelligent president… finally!
February 1st, 2009 at 5:20 pmwell, except for that bit of lost audio, it was great!
February 1st, 2009 at 5:21 pmBarney Frank is absolutely right.
This doesn’t absolve him of his role in ramming the Hank Paulson / Ben Bernanke $350B black hole through the legislature though.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:24 pmIt is truly ironic that, all of the sudden and without warning, Republicans have become critics of government spending.
Where were they when George Bush appropriated all those billions of dollars for his pet wars in the Middle East?
How about all those millions of dollars they earmarked for their pork-barrel spending? (hello, Ted Stevens!).
Or the no-bid contracts awarded to Halliburton -who then took the money, close offices in the US and set up their headquarters in Dubai?
Republicans must believe we all have the IQ (and the short memory span) of the Limbaugh ditto heads…
February 1st, 2009 at 5:29 pmRepublicans are mostly white males of low intelligence who think they’re geniuses.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:38 pmAnd the gopper obstructive freak show still want MORE tax cuts.
On abc news via radio waves it is said:
This statement is such a pro gopper manipulative easy let down to the public by abc news.
Is the more on housing part an effort to get public interest in order to get their real desire =more in tax cuts?
abc news = goppers = want Obama to fail = future majority power for gopers…. at the expense of our now uncertain future
February 1st, 2009 at 5:39 pmwindsor incoherently babbles thus:
When FDR took office unemployment was 25%, 10 years later when he got us into WW2 it was all the way down to 20%
First, as Ralph already mentioned, FDR didn’t get the US into WWII. You obviously need a refresher course in recent US history. Here is a link to get you started (Does the name “Pearl Harbor” ring a bell? No? I not surprised)
Second, you are also wrong about the unemployment statistics. By 1941 (the year the US entered WWII. Please follow the link above), the unemployment hovered around or below 10%. Here is another link.
There is the ignorant, and then there is windsor the ignorant troll.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:44 pmwindsor Says on February 1st, 2009 at 3:56 pm:
When FDR took office unemployment was 25%, 10 years later when he got us into WW2 it was all the way down to 20%. I certainly hope that the Great Zero can do better.
Winnie,
February 1st, 2009 at 5:49 pmYou got three values wrong:
1. When FDR took office, unemployment was at 37%.
2. FDR had been in office a bit short of 8 years and 9 months when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
3. The unemployment rate was 15% in December 1941.
And 1 gross error – FDR did not get us into WW2, we were invited.
Perhaps the ignorant troll needs to read “War Is A Racket” By Major General Smedley D. Butler.
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
February 1st, 2009 at 5:54 pmWhat the troll really needs is to get a) a life, b) a brain, and c) the hell away from here.
Not necessarily in that order.
February 1st, 2009 at 5:56 pmwindsor Says:
When FDR took office unemployment was 25%, 10 years later when he got us into WW2 it was all the way down to 20%. I certainly hope that the Great Zero can do better.
I don’t really think we need worry about a dust bowl, or hordes of economically displaced Okies and Jayhawks.
But that’s probably just me.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:02 pmWhen FDR took office unemployment was 25%, 10 years later when he got us into WW2 it was all the way down to 20%.
Bullshit numbers, that don’t account for other factors, like the large number of black market bootlegging operations, going on throughout the country at the time. After prohibition’s fall, most of those guys simply switched to legit brewing, distilling, and distribution, but they were never technically unemployed – just off the legal grid.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:15 pmJackie. Your story would make a great documentary.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:16 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Did y’all see that? Roosevelt got us into WW2.
Good catch. I suppose he thinks we should have capitulated to the Japanese and just given ‘em Hawaii. I wonder if he’s one of those people who wishes we never ended up on the opposite sides of the Nazis…
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Gregor Samsa Says:
It is truly ironic that, all of the sudden and without warning, Republicans have become critics of government spending.
Where were they when George Bush appropriated all those billions of dollars for his pet wars in the Middle East?
It’s useful government spending, aka. investment, they’re against. Enriching corporations and military adventurism don’t count in their world. The only thing they’re against is actually investing in America.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:20 pmWindsor @ 19,
From YOUR linked article:
“About the New Deal’s long-run achievements: The institutions FDR built have proved both durable and essential. Indeed, those institutions remain the bedrock of America’s economic stability.
Imagine how much worse the financial crisis would be if the New Deal hadn’t insured most bank deposits. Imagine how insecure older Americans would feel right now if Republicans had managed to dismantle Social Security.”
Did you read the article? Are you able to read? Do you realize you have embraced a foolish and untenable conclusion?
Can you supply us some other links that thoroughly refute your argument?
Thanks for the laugh.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:21 pmROOSEVELT PRE-WWII NEW DEAL
1932 Unemployment Rate: 23.6% (12.8 million total unemployed)
1940 Unemployment Rate: 14.6% (8.1 million total unemployed)
Unemployment Rate Change: -9.0
Total unemployment percentage change: -36.7%
ROOSEVELT WWII
February 1st, 2009 at 6:23 pm1941 Unemployment Rate: 9.9% (5.5 million total unemployed)
1944 Unemployment Rate: 1.2% (670,000 total unemployed)
Unemployment Rate Change: -8.7
Total unemployment percentage change: -87.9%
Katy, I agree! That was a great interview. He is really so at ease talking with the press and I think Lauer did a good job as well. I get the impression that their are some in the press who are willing to give Obama a fair shake.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:23 pmDo you suppose windsore ever gets tired of being humiliated on these boards?
I’ve known people who seemed to crave humiliation. Maybe windsore is one of those?
February 1st, 2009 at 6:37 pmchase32 Said on February 1st, 2009 at 6:23 pm:
ROOSEVELT PRE-WWII NEW DEAL
1932 Unemployment Rate: 23.6% (12.8 million total unemployed)
1940 Unemployment Rate: 14.6% (8.1 million total unemployed)
Unemployment Rate Change: -9.0
Total unemployment percentage change: -36.7%
ROOSEVELT WWII
1941 Unemployment Rate: 9.9% (5.5 million total unemployed)
1944 Unemployment Rate: 1.2% (670,000 total unemployed)
Unemployment Rate Change: -8.7
Total unemployment percentage change: -87.9%
1. FDR entered office in March 1933.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:39 pm2. The US entered WW2 in December 1941 (Almost 1942).
Iraq – The illegal, immoral war which bankrupted the country.
Throwing good money after bad will do it every time. Twisted neocon ideology and the military war complex were the only winners in this demented war.
February 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pm1. FDR entered office in March 1933.
2. The US entered WW2 in December 1941 (Almost 1942).
1. Shows inherited situation vs. performance of the 1st and 2nd new deal
February 1st, 2009 at 7:05 pm2. Economic benefit of the war is definitely a lagging indicator which would tend to exaggerate the positive stats shown in that timeframe.
the brown acid Says:
Barney Frank is absolutely right.
This doesn’t absolve him of his role in ramming the Hank Paulson / Ben Bernanke $350B black hole through the legislature though.
Barney Frank had nothing to do with what Bush/Paulson did with the money. And he wasn’t the only Democrat or Republican who voted for the bailout. He was, though, one of those who attempted to put some conditions on the money and requiring oversight. It was Bush/Paulson who ignored the conditions and ignored oversight.
February 1st, 2009 at 7:42 pmPoor neocons. Barney Frank continues to spew truth which makes them cringe…
February 1st, 2009 at 7:42 pmwindsor Says on February 1st, 2009 at 3:56 pm:
When FDR took office unemployment was 25%, 10 years later when he got us into WW2 it was all the way down to 20%. I certainly hope that the Great Zero can do better.
This is an example of one very worn out rightie talking point.
# 78 WaltTheMan – excellent response.
February 1st, 2009 at 7:44 pmThe Great Zero? Is George Bush still the president? *cringe*
February 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pmWho’s winning the troll bowl?
February 1st, 2009 at 8:00 pmWhen an institution that is perfectly capable of sinking the economy (and has just demonstrated some of its amasing skill in doing so) says give us these billions or doom!!, it is extortion. I wouldn’t dwell on how individual Congress members reacted it, so much as what is now necessary to make sure that financial institutions don’t even think of doing that again.
February 1st, 2009 at 8:09 pmYou’d think that being down 37 – 0, the wind sore troll would put that thing back in his pants and turn off the wind tunnel machine.
February 1st, 2009 at 8:13 pmRepublicans always conveniently forget about the 4 trillion dollars that Bush racked up while in office the last 8 years. They also forget that under BUSH we saw the largest expansion of government since LBJ.
Progressives, we need to stay on message here! Keep reminding the public about these spend and bomb Republicans!
February 1st, 2009 at 8:16 pmits true, Conservatives have just come out with this seasons black=white argument. Before this was that Carter and Clinton were responsible for the financial crisis because they created laws against red-lining. Sounded stupid then and even more now, but it keeps the argument where they want it.
Thankfully most of us have the tools now to research and find the truth if we have the desire.
February 1st, 2009 at 8:47 pmchase32 has exposed himself as a racist — flagged.
February 1st, 2009 at 8:54 pmZooey, did I miss something? In looking through the comments I cannot find Chase32 writing anything racist.
February 1st, 2009 at 9:25 pmDear Salmon Dave,
February 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pmThere’s a killing to be had at making war, NO?
Naturally, the facts contradict everything you just stated.
Year Lebergott Darby
1933 24.9 20.6
1939 17.2 11.3
1940 14.6 9.5
1941 9.9 8.0 < before Pearl Harbor
1942 4.7 4.7
Darby counts WPA workers as employed; Lebergott as unemployed source: Historical Statistics US(1976)
Chase, take some responsibility for the results of your failed economic religion.
February 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pmNaturally, the facts contradict everything you just stated.
Year – Lebergott – Darby
1933 – 24.9 – 20.6
1939 – 17.2 – 11.3
1940 – 14.6 – 9.5
1941 – 9.9 – 8.0 < before Pearl Harbor
1942 – 4.7 – 4.7
Darby counts WPA workers as employed; Lebergott as unemployed source: Historical Statistics US(1976)
Chase, take some responsibility for the results of your failed economic religion.
February 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pmI am lucky enough to have 3 surviving grandparents in their 80’s. I was also lucky enough to have hit my professional prime during the Clinton presidency. What irks me is the drum beat republican think tank meme of the week that tells all of us that some aspect of our shared experience was misremembered or completely different than what we saw and experienced. That is what I meant by black=white. I meant true=false or 1=0, whatever you may think of a bald faced liar talking to you about something you have experienced.
The main part of my point is that this whole argument is misdirection and it must be tough to be a propagandist in a time when we all have the ability to discover the sources of information if we aren’t lazy.
February 1st, 2009 at 10:14 pmI jump the gun. I even missed the post about employment. My appologies Chase. I need to be more prudent about what I read.
February 1st, 2009 at 10:34 pmpete Says:
I seem to recall a little guy, with a goofy mustache, who believed war was profitable and enemies served to unify his country. He was wrong and came to a very bad end.
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Excuse me, but George Bush NEVER, EVER had a mustache!
Oh… you were talking about the OTHER little guy… heh… my bad. Carry on!
February 1st, 2009 at 10:43 pmI jump the gun. I even missed the post about employment. My appologies Chase. I need to be more prudent about what I read.
Nothing to apologize about. The thing that makes the progressive movement so different than LGF, redstate, etc is that we bust on each other to a certain extent, evolving the ideas. Darwin is on our side =)
February 1st, 2009 at 10:46 pmDru P.
February 1st, 2009 at 11:05 pmYour tracking is better then chase32, but the time lines need to be adjusted and enhanced. Unemployment, based on non-farm workers, was at 34% when FDR took office. Later, Supreme Court decisions on the legality of FDR’s programs created a set back to the recovery process from 1934 to 1936. For this reason, FDR tried to pass the Judiciary Reorganization Bill of 1937 which would have allowed him to ‘pack’ the court.
Hi Rapture Ready
February 1st, 2009 at 11:22 pmStill sitting naked in the corner waiting for the party that never happens? That shit must get so tiresome. Cold too, I would think. You should give up on that dumb crap. It ain’t happening
No I just think that anyone that thinks they are gonna be lifted to some imaginary place in the nude is irrational
February 1st, 2009 at 11:26 pmRaptureReady Says:
Dems were against regulation in 2004. Stop being biased and accept the truth. The truth will set you free.
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This doesn’t seem to be the regular “Rapture Ready” . That “RR” never posts links to YouTube and is really only interested in gay issues. So who is this “RR”?
BTW, in 2004 the GOOP controlled the Federal govt COMPLETELY. If they had wanted to regulate the mortgage industry, they could have… and they didn’t.
All the clever little edited sound bites in the world won’t change some things. It’s kinda like abortion, huh? The GOOP rails against it and rails against it, and just like regulating mortgages, they couldn’t get it done, or didn’t rally want to.
Did the GOOP play you for a sucker, “RR”?
February 1st, 2009 at 11:32 pmAnd our dark toned friend ruptured but redeyed comes to play.
February 1st, 2009 at 11:37 pmWhy do you want to get it on with Barney?
Dems were against regulation in 2004? Hey lil buddy, the Repuglycans controlled both houses of Congress, the executive branch and the dems couldn’t hold a friggin hearing except in the basement. You lie like an Xian.
February 1st, 2009 at 11:38 pmRaptureReady Says:
Dems were against regulation in 2004. Stop being biased and accept the truth. The truth will set you free.
The thing is that a lot of the regulations that we have, and a lot of the ones that have been undone were put in place as a result of the excesses of the pre great depression bubbles. Anyone that has been to China or other emerging countries can tell you that they are avoiding costs of doing business by not paying the environmental impact of their businesses. It doesn’t cost you anything over there if the river you do business next to catches fire. Its also obvious to most wage earners in the US that things like bread, milk, and the things we need to buy for our families have gone up as much as 5x in the last few years. Supply side economics makes sense to a certain point, but reality has to come in at some point and make everyone realize that a strong middle class that has real money…not crazy credit…real middle class earning potential is what will make both big and small business healthy.
February 1st, 2009 at 11:53 pmNicely cut video distorting the facts. Good hatchet job. The Dems didn’t want regulations that would basically strangle the financial institutions. Nice try Darlyy.
February 1st, 2009 at 11:57 pmOT – Samantha Power will be returning to Obama’s camp.
OH YEAH!
February 1st, 2009 at 11:59 pmRaptureReady Says:
The same homosexual, Barney Frank…
That’s the only reason you’re posting in this thread, isn’t it? Because Barney Frank is gay, so anything he says, you’re against. Maybe he should talk about more subjects, so you can broaden your sphere of participation here.
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RaptureReady Says:
Here is my point. Barney Frank is a liar. He acts as if the Dems support regulation, when in reality, per the youtube video, they were against regulation.
Some Dems made the mistake of jumping on the Republican deregulation bandwagon, probably in the hopes of blunting it as an issue that could be used against them. But you must admit that deregulation is a fundamental tenet of economic conservatism specifically, and Dems who support it are being disengenuous, rather than advancing any policy of their own. Which is to say, some Dems may be deregulation hangers-on, but the Republicans still completely own that failed policy.
I admit that Barney has been on the wrong side of this issue in the past, and others have pointed it out here as well, before you did.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 amOT —
Are you kidding me?
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 amRaptureready, this thread is about policy, not Barney Frank’s sexuality.
Why are you so obsessed with the sex lives of others? Closet case much?
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:17 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
See, here I was thinking that bill was Barney Frank’s baby. While I feel as if you’ve clarified it a bit for me, I still can’t help but think this man should bear some responsibility (Along with everyone else who supported the bailout 80% of the country was against)
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 amGMAFB
repugs are the screw ups, period. While a few dems did it ALL OF THE repugs did it and benefited too. Own it, coward rap.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 amGame of Life Says:
Are you kidding me?
Apparently the Executive branch gets to rule on the enforceability of Legislative branch subpeonas now, like that makes any sense. Rove basically is trying to turn the Constitution into a shell game. As usual, they’re going to let him.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 amRupturedRetard drops by to give us the ignorant bigot spin. The REALLY stupid hatefilled bigots version of last weeks Rush Limbaugh show. Sure its stupid. RR is stupid. Stupid is all he does, its what he is. Just like all the rest of the Limborg hivemind he only believes what he was TOLD to believe a superficial and ignorant view. That is the best he can hope for. Understanding pretty much anything will always be far beyond his capabilities what with his clearly substandard brain he feels the need to tell us what Rush TOLD him to think, and as always I use that term very loosly, in fact read what Rush told him to repeat which is all someone as ignorant as he is capable of. Bottom line RupturedRetard you are a moron, far too stupid to be taken seriously so go play on the freeway and leave the political discussion to the adults with the ability for higher brain funtion
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 amRaptureReady Says:
You dont know anything about the truth. You wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and bit your nutsack. Here is a clue. The TRUTH is NOT whatever Rush is telling you to believe. For instance you hate homosexuals because you have a need to feel better than someone because you are stupid. You have always been stupid and that makes you feel insecure. It should. Anyone as ignorant as you should be ashamed. Then again you have no self respect so you dont feel shame just that nagging insecurity you cant put your finger on. I can tell you. It comes because on some level you really do know just how stupid you are. Thus your attempts to position yourself as better than homsexuals, in fact better than somebody, ANYBODY. Tough. You will always be stupid. You will always be ignorant and you will always be laughed at by those of us that can think for ourselves and can see clearly just how full of it you are. Do yourself a favor stop embarassing yourself so pitifully and go pour yourself a nice steaming hot cup of STFU
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:45 amRaptureReady Says:
Here is MY point you are a liar you are a fool and you are too astonishingly stupid to be believed. Frank was against the Oxyley bill because it had the appearance of regulation while actually loosening regulation and giving MORE power to financial institutions to dodge regulation. You really are an ignorant brinwashed fool. A liar too.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 amthe brown acid Says:
Because he is a self hating, closeted moron.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 amLushMoron
No it is GREAT to be me. See I am not an ignorant brainwashed moron like you. I have a functional cerebral cortex which is beyond your wildest dreams. Do you often have fantasies about other peoples mothers? I guess that would be because you are so resentful of YOUR mother, you know when she told you how much she regretted not drowning you at birth and that YOU are the reason ferrets eat their young. We all know how embarrassed she had to be when the other children on the short bus laughed at you. Since even THERE you were the stupidest of the stupid. I see you are still begging us to pity you for your astonishing stupidity. The ignorance that has gotten you so much pity and so many pats on the head. Its too late here. YOU have mined our pity dry. Still you are so pathetic you come in here proudly showing that you are one of the stupidest people on the planet grinning like the idiot child you are hoping for one more pat on the head or one more cookie. It isnt our fault that even your family shuns you. People get tired of having even someone as pathetic as you pray on their good nature. Sure we pity you. How could anyone NOT pity someone as ignorant and pathetic as you? We are tired of playing with you now. Do the world a favor. Drink a nice tall chilled glass of drano and vex us no more. You will always be stupid, you will always be pathetic and the world will be just a bit sunnier when you are no longer in it.
It is sad you have no self respect. That you KNOW you are too stupid to actually even TRY to contribute so you just screw with us since your ignorance precludes you doing anything else. You are like the kid so pathetic at sports you resent others playing basketball so you try to flatten the ball. Face facts. Stupid, brainwashed and pitiful is going to be your fate for the rest of your life.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:20 amWhen the topic is “the largest spending bill in history” and a mind leaps to the sexual habits (gay or straight) of a congressman—What the hell is that? Did someone say “package”?
Just do it and get it over with, why don’t you!
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 amSo now you are fantasizing about other peoples genitals? I knew you were monumentally stupid. I didnt know you were a depraved pervert. Since you are stupider than a retarded monkey let me make this simple. YOU dont know anything about me or my mother. You cant read minds. The only thing any of us know about one another is what we read in the posts. YOUR posts make it clear you are ignorant. Galactic level stupid, brainwashed and pathetic. The way you come in here just to tweak us and annoy us, the way you parade how ignorant you are tells us that you are obviously seeking our pity. I mean no one could be SO proud of being SO stupid for any other reason and you parade your ignorance so often it is the only logical conclusion. Now I know you cant understand the concept of logic what with you being stupider than a can of peas but find a small child of normal IQ to explain it to you. Your fantasizing about mothers and genetalia tells me you are getting a bit testy about the fact no woman not made of rubber would ever have anything to do with you and it is making you frustrated. Well that had to be expected what with how stupid you are and all. You are going to have to learn to live with your obvious limitations. The intellectual capacity of a kiwi fruit just isnt going to bring on the babes. Tough. You are always going to be stupid. You are always going to be pathetic and take it from someone who has a real wife, women dont want much to do with pathetic ignorant cretins like you that hope to catch them by playing on their pity for how pathetically ignorant you are. Such is your life. Learn to live with it. Of course your fantasies about my life are going to be as stupid and wrong as everything else you post. What with how stupid you are how could they even be in the same universe with reality. Nothing else you post ever is. You have to come to terms with what you are. Stupid, pathetic and brainwashed. It is your sad fate. If God had wanted you for more than an example of stupid and pathetic he would have given you a brain. He didnt.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:32 amOh by the way LushMoron. Mini me called and said that maniacal laughter is not only kinda creepy but also a possible copyright infringement of Dr Evil
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 amWhat mind. YOU dont have a mind. You have a tape recorder. You tune into Rush to find out what you believe. You dont even exist in my universe. I respond to your pathetic posts and have run out of pity for you. Your posts and the other members of the Limborg hivemind. It is a whole new level of pitiful and pathetic that by playing on our sympathy for your world class stupidity you think you won something. Hey in the spirit of the Special Olympics. Trophies for everyone even the stupidest most pathetic morons the world has ever seen. Tops in the most pathetic category. LushMoron. Ok you won. Good luck with that. Oh I never go to youtube to see any MORE abject stupidity posting them is a waste of time. Your posts have all the stupid I can take.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 amLush, phone sex might be your calling. Your scathing criticism and witty repartee isn’t. It reads smarmy, like you’re trying to make a pervert cum. You’re not “winning”. You’re nauseating.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:03 amwiley Says:
I think pathetic and nauseating is what he is going for. I mean he never accomplishes anything else. He WANTS us to pity him. It is the only logical explanation
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 amMaybe he’s exploring his(?) sexuality in a safe environment. You know, one of those coming of age things that people who didn’t cut their teeth on a keyboard just don’t get.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:08 amElBruce Says:
Game of Life Says:
Are you kidding me?
Apparently the Executive branch gets to rule on the enforceability of Legislative branch subpeonas now, like that makes any sense. Rove basically is trying to turn the Constitution into a shell game. As usual, they’re going to let him.
I’m thinking that chimpy is not in the Executive branch and shouldn’t interfere with President Obama’s cabinet nor the law.
chimpy is definitely hiding a world of mess. Why else would he act like he’s still prez? There is not such thing as executive privilege when he’s not in the executive office.
Now these punks are hiding behind their funky lawyers. The lawyer for turd wants to directly talk to President Obama.
WTF?
BTW — Conyer sent private subpoena to meier and she denied it too. Why did Conyer sent it secretly?
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 amMN Senate Litigation Recap, Week 1
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:56 amI see the NEOCON LUSH is going after women to make himself feel big and strong. Wow. Pathetic.
February 2nd, 2009 at 7:21 amRepublicans are stupid, stupid people not unlike Homer Simpson who keeps getting shocked over and over again trying to steal that wired cup cake.
So they inflame the pork rind-crunching masses by openly wishing for Obama to fail, as if his failure will result in unparalleled prosperity for America. Homer keeps getting shocked by the wired cupcake. Charlie Brown keeps getting fooled by Lucy and the football. And everytime a Republican opens their mouth, Albert Einstein is proven right time and time again.
February 2nd, 2009 at 7:45 amDeMint, has zero to say in my book! As a so-called Republican leader in the Senate, whose philosophy of small federal government, state rights, and a strong defence. How can this major-league ear-marker who supported Bush 100% say or do anything that’s helpful.
February 2nd, 2009 at 8:05 amNu uh!
Don’t forget Republican election fraud and election theft.
Mark Crispin Miller estimates the Repubs cut Obama’s victory by half. This is important to remember when figures about victory margins are bandied about (presumably in ways more serious than Rush’s druggy proposal).
The people hate the Repubs, but their electoral-fraud machinery is still in place…as if we didn’t have enough to be scared about.
February 2nd, 2009 at 8:50 amRead all about how the new “Bad Bank” will move all of the toxic assets onto the balance sheet of you the taxpayer at the FDIC here:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3396
And why Republicans never quote Eisenhower here:
http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/
February 2nd, 2009 at 8:59 amjurassicpork Says:
Republicans are stupid, stupid people not unlike Homer Simpson who keeps getting shocked over and over again trying to steal that wired cup cake.
That was Bart, actually.
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Game of Life Says:
I’m thinking that chimpy is not in the Executive branch and shouldn’t interfere with President Obama’s cabinet nor the law.
Other way around, actually. Rove asked Obama’s DoJ to submit a ruling on how they’d view the whole “executive privilege” claim, and Conyer is willing to sit on his ass until that comes back. Basically Rove’s saying to Obama “Hey, do you want your advisors to be potentially subpeona’d after you’re out of office based on your conversations with them in office? Do you want to have to watch what you have to say around them for the rest of your term? If not you might want to get on my side.” Of course the simplest answer to all that is for the President not to do illegal crap.
The problem with this is it doesn’t matter what Holder or Obama think; whether or not executive privilege covers that is not for the sitting Prez or DoJ to say, any more than it was for the past ones. The President does not get to define the legal parameters of his own job, no matter who has it.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 amGo ahead on Barney Frank! Nuff respect to Barney Frank cause he always slams the repugnant republicans with the TRUTH!
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 amRepublicans have some MF nerve complaining about the stimulus since they sat back for 8 yrs and did nothing while the US economy went to hell! Republicans shut the F$%K up now! Get out of the way or get on board!
“Barney Frank is just another blame America, unpatriotic liberal, who cannot seem to understand that we need weapons to back up our way of life”
We have enough weapons to destroy the world 10times over. HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED ????? IDIOT.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 amJust enough so that he finally feels safe enough to sleep on top of the bed.
Without wetting it.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 amWho??? in their ‘right’ mind(we know he did not have one of these) would start a war and then borrow money to run it?
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 pmThe Fates seem to be having a heck of a time with the GOP wingnut that did this……….
And now the GOP is worried about a stimulus package to help America??? but they borrowed money to support a war?
DeMint came off as a Dittohead without a clue.
Frank kept saying that a tax cuts do not build and maintain bridges.
Totally undercut that Dittoheads arguement.
Frank kept repeating that the Frre Market doesn’t build roads either.
Everytime the fascist Demint would say Dems spend, Frank reminded him of the waste that Iraq has become.
The little queer guy demolished the fascist.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:46 pmNOLIESPLEASE Says:
Not to mention we spend about as much on the military as the rest of the world combined
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:13 pmIs there any analysis of where we’d be today if we hadn’t gone into Iraq and Afghanistan, 9/11 was prevented, and the Bush tax cuts were not enacted, and we had Pres. Gore and possibly Kerry? In surplus even today? When they ask the question every election, “are you better off today..,” it MEANS SOMETHING.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pmLushMORON Says:
It is so entertaining watching a dittobot cell of the hivemind trying to think for himself. Its like watching a fish try to sing opera or a blue whale try to dance the ballet. When will you get that you will NEVER be clever. That takes higher brain function and that will always be far beyond your capabilities even in your wildest dreams. You mistake pathetic and stupid for funny. You keep begging for our pity because ANY attention is better than the way you were treated as a kid. You DREAM of being better than somebody because in school you were the stupidest kid in every class you were ever in. Only passed to get you out of their class. NO ONE could stand to be in your presence. We can see all this from your resentments of the smart people here. Grading on the curve hamburger is smart compared to you. You arent going to mitigate the FACT you are the stupidest most pathetic creature known to man by trying this unoriginal and very stupid snark. You cant know anything about my wife. You dont read minds, you are just plainly and monumnetally stupid and pitiful. No more sympathy and pity from me though you mined that dry. Just learn to live with the fact that you are always going to be the stupidest person in the room, ANY ROOM. Your drooling idiocy has lost its charm and you are just pathetic, have been just stupid and pathetic since the day you were born. The delusion you have any sort of influence over me is just another in your long line of delusions like that you have a sense of humor or that anyone thinks ANYTHING about you except to cry in sympathy for how stupid, pathetic, and retarded you are. The trying to enlist other posters to your side thing is just another level of pathetic. No one likes you, no one respects you and no one ever will. You will always be shunned by decent people. Come to terms with that along with your ignorance and your lack of common decency. On the bright side no one will ever hate you. You are too pathetic to think about at all except when you are posting your surreal level of stupidity. Well its time for Rush to tell you what to think today. Stop begging us to pity you its unseemly, find some self respect man.
February 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pmNO LUSH. I’m observing your greasiness.
February 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm