Joe Scarborough: Obama’s Trying To ‘Buy Off People’ With ‘Pure, Straight Socialism’
Joe Scarborough: Obama’s Trying To ‘Buy Off People’ With ‘Pure, Straight Socialism’
MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough went off on a tear against President Obama’s proposed stimulus plan this morning, slamming tax credits for people who, according to him, “don’t pay taxes.” “It’s not even welfare!” he shouted, and accused Obama of trying to “buy off your constituents”:
SCARBOROUGH: You’re not going to get Republicans to line up and support tax cuts for people who don’t pay taxes. That’s taking you to a position now where you have the federal government — and this is very dangerous — just writing checks to people for doing nothing. It’s not even welfare. … If you want pure straight socialism, if you want to buy off people, do that.
Watch it:
There are enormous problems with this analysis. First, Americans benefiting from the tax cut do pay taxes — sales taxes, payroll taxes, social security taxes — even if they don’t pay income tax. In fact, those in the lowest income bracket pay about 4.3 percent of their income to federal taxes.
The tax credit isn’t some kind of charity; it’s one of the most effective kinds of tax cuts in terms of stimulating the economy. Moody’s chief ecomomist Mark Zandi showed that the refundable tax credit gives the economy a far greater “bang for the buck” than non-refundable tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, or making Bush’s tax cuts permanent, the “solutions” proposed by conservatives:
What’s more, as Center for American Progress Action Fund President John Podesta pointed out to Scarborough minutes later, these tax cuts were something that “Barack Obama campaigned on all year long” — and he encountered the exact same fearmongering accusations of “socialism” from conservatives. If Americans didn’t support Obama’s tax plan, they wouldn’t have voted for him.
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Keep John Podesta on the Talking Circuit, he pushes back well against these Republicans with their one note song…
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 pmJust go and grow a pair of lips you right wing clown.
¶ AIO
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 pmwindsor Says:
If Americans didn’t support Obama’s tax plan, they wouldn’t have voted for him.
I didn’t, and I dare say that except for black voters most people were voting against Bush/McCain and not in support of Zero.
You “dare say” pretty much anything stupid that wanders between your ears. And nice racist touch there about black voters.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pmIsn’t this gut a murderer?
http://www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=17
Wasn’t he involved in the Florida 2000 vote count as well?
Silly rethug fascists and thier penchant for murder and cheating.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pmSo, he would rather have them “buy off” wall street than a low-income worker who doesn’t make enough to pay taxes. Nice Joe. But then I always knew you were a wanker. Why does anyone listen to this a$$hat?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:08 pmwindsor Says:
I didn’t, and I dare say that except for black voters most people were voting against Bush/McCain and not in support of Zero.
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Ridiculous and unprovable contention.
Try making a “real point”… or are you simply set on making sure the “dic” stays in ridiculous?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 pmSo Joe, are you denying any involvement in the death of the assistant whose body was found in your office?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:10 pmWhy are dumb people paid money to say dumb things on the talky box? Isn’t that welfare?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pmI agree with cartoonist Keith Knight…if you want to stimulate the economy, you give money to the poor who will spend it on their bills, buying reliable transporation, getting those little extras for the kids that they can’t afford all the time, etc. (As one of the “working poor” I know that’s how I spend it) As opposed to “trickle down”, the money will “tsunami up”.
I can’t watch “Morning Joe” anymore. Not only am I disconcerted by Mika’s strange “stare into the camera instead of looking at the person I’m supposed to be listening to” habit but Joe, after appearing to be somewhat reasonable these past few months, has returned to his pre-hope persona of a Republican jerkwad.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pmJoe misses the obvious point that his wealthy and powerful friends in the banking industry successfully arranged socialism for the rich through their bailout and capitalism for the working class.
If you want capitalism Joe, warts and all, use your megaphone to argue as vehemently against the old bank bailout and the new one coming down the pike.
Oh, by the way, Joe, whatever happened to that woman found dead in your office?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pmHE IS?
WHERE DO I SIGN UP?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:13 pmThere are enormous problems with this analysis.
Well, in all fairness, there are enormous problems with Joe Scarborough.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:13 pmwindsor Says:
I didn’t, and I dare say that except for black voters most people were voting against Bush/McCain and not in support of Zero.
You “dare say”. What gives you the right to speak for other people. You certainly don’t speak for me. I and everyone I know voted for Obama because we liked what he had to say and believe that he can fix the problems the Republicants created. And I am not black and none of the people I know are black.
Also, in case you missed it (which you certainly would since Fixed news is your total source of information), between 53 & 66% of the people in this country support the stimulus package, depending on which poll you believe.
I’ll make things easy for you by linking to the polls:
http://www.diageohotlinepoll.com/
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pmhttp://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/2009/01/09/americans-favor-big-economic-stimulus-package-from-barack-obama.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/23/economy.stimulus/index.html
Joe the Blowfart expelling substance-less, counter productive Republican talking points.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pmI would like to encourage Congress to increase funding for fighting global poverty. The Borgen Project (www.borgenproject.org) has some great facts and ideas to help global poverty.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:14 pm$30 billion to eliminate global poverty.
$522 billion on the U.S. defense budget.
There are 800 million people that go to sleep hungry every day, 300 million are children.
I think ‘Morning Joe’ was a one term congressperson. What makes him an economic expert? What ‘facts’ does he have which support his ‘analysis’? And finally, are his viewers going to believe all the words which move out of his pie hole or are they going to help themselves to addiditonal information – ya know, from real experts?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pmScarborough sees no wrong in paying billions of dollars to bailout coporations,whether they pay taxes or not,whether we know where the money went or not.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pmThat’s not socialism to Joe.
It is only called socialism when the little guy
gets a small break.
So, Joe — which one has been proven to work better at stimulating the economy in recent history — the “pure socialism” of providing tax incentives at the lower end of the socioeconomic scale; or the pure fascism of providing tax incentives and bailouts to the banking and securities industries with no strings attached using money directly from the US Treasury?
Here’s a hint, moron — working people actually spend the money they get, thereby injecting real stimulus into the economy; bank and investment fatcats put the money in their own pockets and it never trickles down.
“Pure socialism” indeed…
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pmwindsor Says:
You are a racist moron and an ignorant troll so why in the WORLD would I care who you voted for. Except to laugh a bit at anyone who would seriously consider a vote for McThusela and Bimbostien
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:17 pmJoe, you just want to buy off corporations with your fascist-based policies such as tax cuts for the rich and capital gains tax elimination. And you don’t call those “ideological” in your outrage that Democrats aren’t going along with them in your warped definition of “bipartisanship”. The “socialists” won. Get over it.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:17 pmmeeka the morning joe ‘mommy’ (that’s how she refers to herself on that program) was equally engaged in propelling the rnc propaganda.
according to meeka, obama’s stimulus package is nothing more than a collection of democratic social programs they’ve been prevented from instituting during the bush years; but now that the democrats are in majority, it’s all your tax dollars going to those chicago welfare queens — and nutin’ about stimulating no jobs. so there.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:18 pmI can’t watch “Morning Joe” anymore. Not only am I disconcerted by Mika’s strange “stare into the camera instead of looking at the person I’m supposed to be listening to” habit but Joe, after appearing to be somewhat reasonable these past few months, has returned to his pre-hope persona of a Republican jerkwad.
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That is so true; Meeka has to go, and lipless Joe too.
¶ AIO
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pmThanks for making our point for us winny. There is no difference either way. mccain was more of the problem…..
You really aren’t smart enough to post are you?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:19 pmPure straight Socialism huh? What industries is he going to nationalize? Yeah people as dumb as Joe-jo shouldnt use words they dont understand. Then again if he didnt he would host Romper Room
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pmThe Dogfather Says:
Here’s a hint, moron — working people actually spend the money they get, thereby injecting real stimulus into the economy; bank and investment fatcats put the money in their own pockets and it never trickles down.
Actually most of the investment fat cats and even some banking institutions are putting their money in off-shore accounts to avoid paying US taxes. That’s criminal in my book.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:21 pmThat’s the Republican base. After the past couple of elections, it seems that some of them are catching on to the GOP scam.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Pure straight Socialism huh? What industries is he going to nationalize? Yeah people as dumb as Joe-jo shouldnt use words they dont understand. Then again if he didnt he would host Romper Room
He and the Republicants think that any word with an “ism” on the end is a scare word and they use it blindly without having any idea what they are talking about.
I’ve been thinking and my observation is that most Republicants suffered a 30 point drop in their IQ’s on January 5. I can’t think of anything else that could describe how out of tough and delusional they have become.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pmTP – You are giving Joe WAAAAAAY too much credit to call this diatribe an “analysis” … He is just playing lap dog for this GOP friends in Congress. There is NOTHING analytic about this at all.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pmThese days, Republicans are for socialism for rich and unfettered capitalism for the rest of us. It’s called Cronyism.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:25 pmPoor, poor, messed up Joe. Those ‘folks’ who don’t pay taxes, well, they pay payroll taxes, Joe, and you don’t have a clucking foo.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pmJoe Scarbrain, leading the ism of dufusism to it’s penultimate conclusion.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pmCrap. Am I the only person in the country who remembers that one of the first things bush did was send everyone MONEY???
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pmNice call RHF, that’s exactly what the rethugs want. Corporate control of the universe. And how are billions in bonuses for wall street execs, paid from taxpayer bailout monies not fascism?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 pmBRZEZINSKI: You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it’s almost embarrassing to listen to you.
SCARBOROUGH: Oh, is it?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pmThat’s burglarism.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 pmWhen does doing the people’s will and acting in the interests of the majority of Americans become ‘buying people off’?
Scarby seems to think helping the poor is somehow unfair because it might increase turnout and R’s can’t win when the majority of people vote… I tend to think it’s more unfair when people are discouraged from voting because the R’s can’t when the majority of people vote… silly me.
However, I encourage R’s to continue to repeat like a ‘broken record’ that the Rich deserve all the ‘breaks’ and the poor deserve to be ‘broke’…
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pmJoe Scarborough better start lawyering up as he has bigger problems then President Obama. Scarborough was a House Rep. when his secretary was murdered in his office at a time he was there. Lori Klausutis’s case was quickly covered up and Scarborough quickly left office as even the coroner was fired because he wanted to report the facts of her murder. No investigation was done as it was quickly closed. Nothing was said since Lori Klausutis’s murder. Let’s hope the new Attorney General Eric Holder adds that case to investigate and give Lori the Justice she didn’t get. Scarborough should be more worried about AG Holder then President Obama.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:33 pmGood point Jackie, maybe the rethugs are just scared of their own shadows, and for good reasons, as those shadows may be the contents of their collective closets.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pmOnce again, Scarborough PROVES he’s an idiot. It must be great to be a ‘token’ at MSNBC since he clearly belongs at the Fixed Noise Network along, and maybe a sidekick to Hannity-the-manatee…. Or better yet, Beck!!!
Either way the pairings work they better get some new publicists cause these ain’t working !!
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pmThd long term goal of the Republican Party is the complete elimination of dividend, capital gains, and estate taxes. This trifecta would establish a permanent, untaxed aristocracy in the United States.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pmrepublican/conservative asshats and their corporate media enablers like scarborough are in full bore disinformation mode, and Obama and the democrats (other than Barney frank) are doing little to counteract the disinformation and get out the truth to the average American. The mighty Wurlitzer has free, unchallenged reign across the media spectrum. Only here in left blogostan does the truth get an airing without the howling beast drowning everything out.
Expect Obama/Dem’s stimulus bill to be a gigantic flaming failure, real or imagined.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm.
mk3872 Says:
TP – You are giving Joe WAAAAAAY too much credit to call this diatribe an “analysis” … He is just playing lap dog for this GOP friends in Congress. There is NOTHING analytic about this at all.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
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Analysis! Analogous! Analytic! Analog! Analogy! Analyst! Banality! A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pmOh, so those Big Bank Bailouts were nothing more than just paying them to ‘Party’ with our money then, is what Joe Blow is saying.
Go kill some more assistants Joe, and a big FY to you, blowhard.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pmThe working poor don’t pay ANY taxes. Besides payroll taxes they pay sales tax and gas tax to go to work generally and state income tax. Joe called them said something like we’ll borrow money from China to give these poor people who do nothing and they will just go spend it on cheap stuff made in
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pmChina. Like it’s their fault that the retailers buy all this crap instead of things made in America. You have to go on a wild goose chase to by goods made here. Whose fault is that Joe?
Toasty, ain’t it great that the infamous analinity is removed from the filtering?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmListen up, Joe the Moron. Abe Lincoln is sending you a message from the grave:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
The message appears to have arrived way too late…
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmScarborogh:
“If you want pure straight socialism, etc”
Pure straight capitalism isn’t working out to well for about 98% of Americans, Joe.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Analysis! Analogous! Analytic! Analog! Analogy! Analyst! Banality! A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
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Whoohoo!
Thank you, TP, for fixing this bug in your word filter!
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmExplain to me again Bu$hco’s tax cuts for the top 2% and off-shore corporations like Halliburton that don’t pay any taxes anyway? Seems like GOP congresscritters lined up right behind that one.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pmDead Intern found in my office says:
You’re not going to get Republicans to line up and support tax cuts for people who don’t pay taxes.
Does this make any sense at all?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 pmFirst, to make this claim, you need to be be able to speak intelligently about socialism. Second, he is complaining about Obama doing something that Bush did. Did he ever refer to Bush as a “socialist”? Third, this tactic does not work. All through the elections we heard over and over that Obama was a socialist. Obama won. Move on and try a different strategy. This one obviously doesn’t work.
This is yet another example of right-wing media attacking Obama without any kind of real argument. I can’t wait until my drive home today when I get to listen to Hannity complaining about the liberal media always giving Obama a free pass.
And they wonder why they lost …
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmScarborough, like most conservatives, doesn’t really care whether giving money to poor people will help the economy regain its footing.
he’s jes’ agin’ it. And that’s good enough fer ol’ Joe.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pmJoe Scarface wants to continue socializing losses while privatizing profits.
Yeah, Joey, that’s worked out SO WELL…
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pmChris LeJeune Says:
I can’t wait until my drive home today when I get to listen to Hannity complaining about the liberal media always giving Obama a free pass.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
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Yeesh. Why would you subject yourself to that willingly? There’s gotta be an NPR station somewhere in your market area.
Where, coincidentally, there was a story this morning criticizing the Obama administration for the number of exceptions they’ve made to the “no lobbyists” pledge.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pmYou mean — I don’t have to misspell it anymore?
Oh happy day!
Analysis! Analyze!
Take that!
Oh, it feels soooo GOOOOOOD!
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pmhttp://www.seslichat.name.tr
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pmFebruary 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
It has worked out very well for some people.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pmScarborough has some amazing chutzpah. No tax cuts for people who don’t pay taxes?
Of course, as mentioned in the article, these are the working poor who pay payroll taxes. They DO pay taxes.
The real scandal is this: Neglecting to tell his viewers that 2/3rds of American corporations paid no taxes over the course of the last decades, and that 94% paid just 5%. Republicans want tax cuts for people who don’t pay taxes.
And the difference from a moral and ethical POV? At least the Dem proposal targets people who actually need the help. The rich, by definition, don’t. By definition. They’ve got theirs. That’s why they’re called “rich”. So why should the government help the rich get richer?
It never, ever, ever should be in that business.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pmJoe Scarborough ought to be ashamed of himself. I don’t mean on the tax issue. I mean in lining up to help the right wing in their attempts to thwart anything our new President does.
When Bush was elected, democrats worked with him. They tried giving him the benefit of the doubt on most issues and even bent over backwards for him after 911, giving a pass to whatever he wanted to do.
It wasn’t until Bush had fouled everything up that they started rallying against him and holding his feet to the fire so to speak.
But the republicans have taken a new President, who was elected by a significant majority of the people, and an even more significant electoral percentage, and at a time of war, economic crisis and all manner of national and global issues, and simply kicked him in the knees at ever opportunity.
They lie to him about everything, demanding he do their bidding when it comes to the stimulus bill, then when he accommodates them they spit in his face, and collectively vote no on his bill. How could over 100 republicans all vote no in unison, unless it was planned? Choreographed?
The republicans talk a lot about loving and supporting this country, and when Democrats turned on Bush AFTER he screwed everything up he touched, they talked a lot about supporting the president, and what an act of treason it was to not do so during a time of war.
Well, last I checked we’re still at war, and the country is still in a crisis.
What happened to all those right wing accusations of “not supporting the President”?
Why was it treason when we failed to support Bush, but it’s ok for them to fail to support President Obama?
At least the democrats gave Bush a chance.
It would be nice if the republicans had at least that much “patriotism” to at least give the incoming President a chance.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pmHalf of nothing is still nothing, numbnuts!
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pmIt is like a surrealist joke… in the USA, ’socialism’ is made to sound as if it was a bad thing. A swearing word, a curse… only in the USA!
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pmRepublicans always think the answer to everything is to give tax breaks to the filthy rich.
That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:27 pmJoe Scatterbrain again shows what an idiot he is. Those who have dead interns in their congressional office shouldn’t throw stones….or something like that.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:28 pmObviously Joe received his talking points memo from the leader of the GOP Lush Rimbaugh.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:29 pmHeh, at the end Joe Scatterbrain said he was going to take more tranquilizers…I wonder if they have Rush’s doctors name on them?
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pmbarack obomber Says:
I cant wait until morons like you gain just a sliver of self awareness just enough to realize how stupid you are and how ignorant you have been. When you finally develop enough understanding to be humiliated by your stupidity it will be a good day. If I were HALF as stupid as you I would commit supuku immediatly in shame.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 pmyup its true. socialism at its best. I cant wait to see “free” public health offices, and the wait time you guys will hanging out in line.
I love to see what the dumbfck trolls write and try to translate their droppings into English. Like a Sudoku puzzle, except there may not be a real answer. And the lack of grammar and basic English skills just makes it more fun.
This last scat pile is a tough one though, can I have a clue please Miss obomber?
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 pmBeady-Eyed Joe is nothing more than a shill for the Republican party despite his protests to the contrary. Ditto for his buddy Pat Buchanan.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:52 pmGonna be a loooooong wait by the look of it, Eugene.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 pmSocialism???? And giving hundreds of billions to banks is, what, charity? Welfare? Good lord!
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 pmI don’t know what Joe will think of this, but, while I file my taxes every year, my income is below the poverty level in the U.S., so I haven’t paid any taxes since living in Panama. However, the Republican administration of G.W.Bush sent me a cheque last year, something about a stimulus. It appears that insane Free-market Capitalists hand-out money to people who don’t pay taxes, but IOKIYAR.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:04 pmwindsor Says:
If Americans didn’t support Obama’s tax plan, they wouldn’t have voted for him.
I didn’t, and I dare say that except for black voters most people were voting against Bush/McCain and not in support of Zero.
first of all with the racist talking point, you mean to say that Obama only got 15% of the total vote? You’re not only racist, but ignorant as hell…
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:06 pmloudly proclaiming that, “It’s not socialism if I do it…”
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:08 pmbarack obomber Says:
yup its true. socialism at its best. I cant wait to see “free” public health offices, and the wait time you guys will hanging out in line.
If we had free public health offices, you’d be the first in line to receive health care…
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:08 pmWhat about old people that have worked all their life in this country and are living on $600-$700/mo. SS/SSI? [my Mom]?
Does Scarborough think these people will be investing their rebate in their PORTFOLIO or will be they going to the supermarket??
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 pmI sure do wish we could entice Mr. Obomber into an adult conversation about the relative merits and drawbacks of various economic systems.
Mr. Obomber sounds like his position is that anything even remotely socialistic is evil, but this leaves little room for government promotion of “the common good”, so I’m sure I must be mistaken about Mr. Obomber’s position.
It would be a welcome day when Mr. Obomber felt secure enough in his political beliefs that he would be willing to discuss it rationally with us.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:32 pmHis position is whatever the screechmonkeys who do his thinking for him TELLS him it is. He is of the Limborg he has been assimilated. There will never be any higher brain function from that one
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:44 pmIf we dont spend money or go into Iraq, the terrorists win.
If we dont give unprecidented amounts of money to banks, the economy could collapse.
If we let obama do what he wants, we will become socialists.
Notice a pattern? Isnt this “scare anyone not smart enough to research an opinion” crap getting old? Maybe we need a scumbag democratic equivilant to Rush Limbaugh. The people I hear complaining about socialism make less than 250k a year and would only be positively affected anyway. Maybe we need to use crude language and scare tactics to get through to these people.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:51 pmIf the last 8 years of capitalism is an indication of what the system is in its purest form, I’d like to try socialism. Capitalism seems to be for spoiled brats and bullies.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:02 pmNeither. SS/SSI is Socialism, which is bad. If your mother is taking Socialist money, that must mean she is bad.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:03 pmNo, that’s not Socialism. In a Socialist system, the public actually get a benefit from investment of their tax money.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 pmHow does Scarborough differentiate between the poor who pay no taxes, and corporations who pay no taxes. Or wealthy citizens who take advantage of off shore tax shelters to avoid paying taxes.
It’s that double standard thing conservatives like to play with.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pmFun fact: Bush has nationalized more corporations than Hugo Chavez.
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windsor Says:
I didn’t, and I dare say that except for black voters most people were voting against Bush/McCain and not in support of Zero.
I dare say that except for white voters, most people were voting for Obama.
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barack obomber Says:
yup its true. socialism at its best. I cant wait to see “free” public health offices, and the wait time you guys will hanging out in line.
Universal health care systems don’t have long wait times. At least, none of the ones that exist do. I think perhaps you’re just concerned that poor people and minorities might get access to health care, so that would somehow take some access away from you. But that’s all in your mind anyways, since access to preventive care cuts down the necessity for serious care.
Also, what’s been discussed is merely having universal health insurance, which means that providing health care would still be a private market.
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e_to_the_p Says:
Notice a pattern? Isnt this “scare anyone not smart enough to research an opinion” crap getting old?
Conservatives all are cowards, and substitute fear for reasoning.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:18 pmHaven’t you been paying attention?
poor who pay no taxes= Socialism (bad)
corporations who pay no taxes. Or wealthy citizens who take advantage of off shore tax shelters to avoid paying taxes= free market Capitalism (good)
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pmWell to answer your question . .
My 82 year old mother is not a socialist. She’s a VOTER! Her income is close to $700/mo. and she doesn’t have to pay taxes. If I didn’t help her financially, she would be eating dirt [dog food is too expensive] . .
She worked most of her life at a minimum wage job and that’s why she receives minimum SS and was forced to apply for SSI.
And yes, if she got some money from the gov’t. she would buy food, that’s about it!!
Why does Scarborough have a problem with my mother getting some financial relief??
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pmBecause she is sitting around on the public dole. She should get off her butt and get a job, so she can pay taxes. Where do you think we are going to get the money for banker’s bonuses with greedy people like your mother sucking up all that Socialist money and not paying taxes?
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:30 pmObama’s trying to buy off people with pure straight socialism huh?
Well why not? The people certainly paid enough for it.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pmI perfer my Socialism on the rocks with a twist.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:47 pmSorry about the spelling. Seems that playing wingnut troll kills brain cells.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:48 pmThey should have enough money to form a Plutocrat party.
February 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmbetter socialism than OUTRIGHT LIES.
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pmWhen it suits them the Republicans want to count usage fees such as tolls, park entrance fees, and even bus fares as “taxes” and when it suits them they want to discount the payment of sales tax, school levies, and payroll taxes. It’s capitalism at its finest when we reduce the highest income tax bracket, but the red menace when we reduce the lowest income tax bracket.
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pmWhatever socialism we have come to was necessitated by the reichwingnuts like Scarborough. Joe is a big assclown. I can’t even watch his show he is so ridiculous. He is dumb as dirt and an idealogue who cannot tell why.
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:52 pmUh oh, The socialism boogeyman again. What is it with these freaks?
February 2nd, 2009 at 6:06 pmI’m proud to be a democratic socialist! So there!
February 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pmScarborough Unfair.
What an utterly insufferable perfidious redneck a-hole…
Time for MSNBC to dump that joker and startup ‘Morning Chomsky’! Their ads would dry up at first but the show would generate so much controversy and so many eyeballs the masters of commerce will be tripping over themselves trying to buy up time.
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February 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pmCry babies. Sore loosers. What do they offer? I never watch.
February 2nd, 2009 at 7:01 pmkasinca says:
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
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Too true. (Sometimes I think Joe is a bastard child of John Wayne…Which accurate or not, he’d probably take as a badge of honor. On second thought maybe a spawn of Spiro Agnew… )
BTW — Assclown. I like that. It’s in my permanent Assclown files…
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February 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 pmIsn’t one of the BASIC tenets of socialism that the State owns the means of production? Where is that happening in this country? That could be murder on the fat portfolios of most Redunglicans. Joe? Rush? Anybody from the right wing willing to set me straight? I’ll be waiting downstairs. Thank you.
February 2nd, 2009 at 7:41 pmKeep telling people that the things they want are socialism. Maybe people will come to realize that some socialism is a good thing.
David Cay Johnston said on Democracy Now that he found 12 busdrivers in Stockholm and everyone owned two houses free and clear. They also had 100% health coverage, pension, nursing home coverage, etc.
And Joe, there are questions concerning the young worker found dead in your office who rumours say you were having an affair. We got Rep. Gary Condit and Chandra Levy 24/7 on every network. Why not you and Lori Klausutis?
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 pmScarborough is a motor mouth who talks out the side of his neck. He was quet when his Republicons lost like many of them. I think Dr. Brizinsky called his analysis “Shallow” and that really sums him up. My concern is that the Republicons have gotten an advantage over the Dems in the PR race to put their arguments on the table. What no one is talking about is how the Republicons have suddenly want to cut spending when they went on the biggest tax and spend spree in the history of this Country. What about Iraq and the fact that no on cuts taxes during war time. Yet they did it and told the Dems they could do nothing about it.
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February 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 amYes Joe, I like Socialism
It is MUCH better than Fascism as has been the republiscum’s mantra for 80 years going back to Prescott Bush the traitor who traded with the Nazi AFTER Pearl Harbor.
The Bush’s are traitors to their very core. And you Jor just lap up their jism.
February 3rd, 2009 at 8:52 amThere is a difference between persons that “don’t pay income taxes.” There are the wealthy that exploit every loophole and write off their expenses. Then there are those that have no income but receive assistance. And everytime all of them spend there is a portion of the payment that is a tax of one kind or another. Is there anything the Feds or States don’t tax? It’s incredible how those with, can with no compassion at all, dump on the have nots. I’m afraid Reagan’s lie about the welfare lady (black) riding to the welfare office in her Cadillac is still alive.
February 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 amJoe Scarborough is a sad little man (re-puke)who hates America.If you don`t like it here go live in Cuba because I am sure you have a journalist pass to go there.Here in America our gov`t is her “for the people, by the people , of the people”.Ask your congress person if they like their gov`t run health care(socialism),ask them and your friends if they and their parents like having social security,do you like having roads,public transportation,clean water, public schools and so on Mr A$$HAT.You are an ASS Joe, tax cuts don`t do as much as giving more unemployment bene`s to someone who will spend it because he has to as opposed to tax cuts that create very few jobs and no spending and might be used in the commodities market and more derivatives to create another bubble.You are wrong and I hope you will back President Obama and America so we can get back to where we belong.People in this country are hurting to likes that you and your kind can`t imagine and they need help from the Gov`t because big business does not care about it`s emplyees and what we pay for health care with a $4500 deductable for a family of 3,RX`s which are unaffordable and so on.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:48 am