ThinkFast: February 2, 2009
ThinkFast: February 2, 2009
Washington, DC’s only progressive talk radio station is going out of business. OBAMA 1260 — which features syndicated hosts such as Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, and Bill Press — will be switching to financial news starting next week. The program director said he “thought the station could work because of enthusiasm over Obama, but that ratings collapsed to a level that could not be measured after the election.”
HHS Secretary nominee Tom Daschle wrote to Senate leaders yesterday regarding his income tax returns. “I am deeply embarrassed and disappointed by the errors that required me to amend my tax returns. I apologize for the errors,” Daschle said. The Senate Finance Committee will meet at 5 p.m. today with Daschle.
“Businesses are faring much better” in the Senate version of the economic recovery package, the AP reports today. The Senate bill, which is being debated this week, “has billions of dollars in business tax credits not included in the House plan” that passed last week. For instance, the Senate package offers $15.5 billion more than the House for “money-losing companies to get refunds of taxes paid on profits in previous years.”
The Justice Department is “bracing for a broad doctrinal shift in policies from those of the Bush administration, department lawyers and Obama administration officials say.” Under Eric Holder — who is expected to be confirmed as Attorney General today — the Department transition is “expected to be more stark than that of a transition from one party to another.”
The New York Times editorial board writes that “Americans deserve a full accounting” of the politically-motivated hiring and firings of U.S. Attorneys in the Bush administration. “The scandals of the Bush Justice Department will not be put to rest until all of Mr. Bush’s aides who have been subpoenaed provide Congress with the information it needs, in public and under oath.”
“Some relief for homeowners facing foreclosure is in the pipeline,” CBS News reports, after the House Judiciary Committee passed a bill last week to “allow bankruptcy judges to order banks to reduce mortgage payments,” a process known as a “cram down.” “The idea got a big boost last week when major lender Citigroup did an about face and announced it supports the legislation.”
In an op-ed in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) writes, “I am dismayed that legislation has again been introduced in Congress to prohibit forever oil and gas development in the most promising unexplored petroleum province in North America — the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, in Alaska.”
The New York Times reports that “[d]espite soaring unemployment and the worst economic crisis in decades, 18 states cut their welfare rolls last year, and nationally the number of people receiving cash assistance remained at or near the lowest in more than 40 years.” Michigan “cut its welfare rolls 13 percent, though it was one of two states whose October unemployment rate topped 9 percent.”
Congressionally mandated Iraq reconstruction auditor Stuart W. Bowen Jr. has said the U.S. effort to rebuild Iraq — largely done by private contractors — “was full of wasted funds, fraud and a lack of accountability” under what Bowen calls an “ad hoc-racy” of lax or nonexistent government planning and supervision. Bowen now says that the U.S. “is making many of the same mistakes again in Afghanistan.”
And finally: In November, a Craiglist ad popped up looking for a Republican “with a history in some aspect of the adult entertainment industry” to run against Sen. David Vitter (R-LA), who admitted to frequenting a DC escort service. It appears that someone has now taken up the challenge: porn star Stormy Daniels. The “Draft Stormy” website says that she is a “champion of entrepreneurism, a fighter for decency and the embodiment of pure libertarianism.”
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We can’t afford to squander money giving huge windfalls to banks and their executives, merely to preserve the illusion of private ownership. -Paul Krugman / NYT 2-2-09
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 amGood morning, campers.
Officially, the latest unemployment figure for Michigan is 10.6%.
Unofficially, I’d make a heavy bet it’s really twice that.
Some game last night, huh?
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 amOn the ads, I was just waiting for the moose to start crapping all over that guy’s head.
The Obama team mastered the Friday evening bad news release with the Daschle story. TP ignored it all weekend, despite major stories in WaPo and NYT. A progressive site would be concerned about some of the revelations.
ThinkPodesta first post on the topic? It’s Daschle’s defense. Apparently cronyism doesn’t apply to the blue team.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 am“…waiting for the moose to start crapping all over that guy’s head.”
Where’s Palin when you need her, huh?
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 amEx-porno star in Congress? How symbolic of our government’s propensity to Corporafornicate.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 amIn an op-ed in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) writes, “I am dismayed that legislation has again been introduced in Congress to prohibit forever oil and gas development in the most promising unexplored petroleum province in North America — the coastal plain of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, in Alaska.”
I’m sure Ms Palin is dismayed since her concept is that she has the right to r ape her state since she is, after all, the Governor (when she feels like it).
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 amUncle Ho Says: Some game last night, huh?
I thought it was the best Super Bowl in years; good game, good action & a great ending. (At least for Steelers fans!)
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 amMichigan “cut its welfare rolls 13 percent, though it was one of two states whose October unemployment rate topped 9 percent.”
I would like to see how the homeless rate correlates to these cuts in welfare roles. I’m betting that their homeless populations have increased exponentially. What has happened to this country. Have we lost our basic humanity?
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 am“…money-losing companies to get refunds of taxes paid on profits in previous years.”
This should be accompanied with an off-setting provision that increases the taxes on those companies who made excess profits during the same time frame. Namely, Exxon-Mobil, Haliburton, etc.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 amYes, we require a full investigation of the US Attorney firings, particularly in connection with the Cunningham, Foggo, and Jerry Lewis investigations. But there are many other things as well–especialy Hayden and illegal wiretapping of ALL Americans–and many, many more! Excise the corruption!!!
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 amCongressionally mandated Iraq reconstruction auditor Stuart W. Bowen Jr. has said the U.S. effort to rebuild Iraq — largely done by private contractors — “was full of wasted funds, fraud and a lack of accountability”
That’s what happens when you give no-bid cost plus contracts to your cronies and then don’t audit those contracts.
I wonder if we will ever know how much of our tax dollars the Bush Crime Family has wasted. In some ways I hold the Democrats in Congress partially responsible for this. I know that they had no choice but to vote for funding for our soldiers. But, they could have tried to cut off funding for the obscene Disneyland-Embassy that was built and for all the military bases that were built. That would have saved us some money.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:15 amRupert Murdoch promotes NewsCorp’s Facebook at World Economic Forum:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/02/AR2009020200076.html
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 amDoc Rock Says:
Yes, we require a full investigation of the US Attorney firings, particularly in connection with the Cunningham, Foggo, and Jerry Lewis investigations. But there are many other things as well–especialy Hayden and illegal wiretapping of ALL Americans–and many, many more! Excise the corruption!!!
One of the first things Holder needs to do is to quickly get on the visit by Gonzo and Card to Ashcroft’s hospital bedside to try to get him to sign off on illegal wiretapping. It’s my understanding that the statute of limitations on that crime will run out in March.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 amRelief for those facing foreclosure is well over a year too late. One of the biggest failures of the Bush administration’s many failures was their failure to act and provide leadership on this problem
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:17 amDoc Rock Says:
Relief for those facing foreclosure is well over a year too late. One of the biggest failures of the Bush administration’s many failures was their failure to act and provide leadership on this problem.
The thing that no one seems to address is that this foreclosure problem was caused by the financial institutions. When the homeowner’s three year teaser rates expired the mortgage holders raised their rates from 4.5% to 15% to 20%. They had to know that would throw most homeowners with sub prime loans into default, but they did it anyway. I’m sure they had assurances from the Bush Administration that the government would cover them in their defaults.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 amUncle Ho Says:
Some game last night, huh?
Yeah. I couldn’t believe it when the 5th level paladin slew the ogre with one …..
….
what?…..
….oooohhhhhhh…. that “sports” thing…. was there some important sports thing yesterday? (kidding… I know… there was a fantastic bowl…)
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:21 amWhen Obama said last week “We will not torture” I was concerned that he didnt’ say “we will abide by the Geneve Convnetions against torture”. It turns out I was right to be concerned:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-flarendition0201sbfeb01,0,1211015.story
It was wrong when Clinton did it. It was wrong when Bush did it. It’s wrong now, President Obama. I hope progressives aren’t sheep in people’s clothing.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 amIsn’t today the day turd blossom is supposed to testify before Congress?
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:30 amUncle Ho Says:
Good morning, campers. Officially, the latest unemployment figure for Michigan is 10.6%. Unofficially, I’d make a heavy bet it’s really twice that.
Things are worse than we think. This popped up over the weekend:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090128/METRO08/901280491
This is where the rest of the country is headed folks.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:33 amAnd yes it was a great game last night, but there were a lot of folks who were too busy trying to say warm to care who won the game…
If anyone is expecting Obama to promote Universal healthcare….the nomination of Tom Daschle should put the final nails in that dream’s coffin.
It Will Not Happen.
Daschle is..well, as Greenwald points out in a WaPo article:
Daschle also helped promote the unconscionable telecom immunity bill..y’know the one that now exempts prosecution from bush’s shenanigans…like spying on journalists:
And as far as Daschle himself, Tiabbi obliterates the Obama “healthcare reform” myth:
Besides the fact that Daschle knew of his tax woes but still waited to tell Obama:
‘This is not change, my friends’…this is employing lobbyist insider scum to defend the pharma/insurance juggernaut. First the telecom immunity, now this.
Obama is not what people were expecting…read the entire article and be very afraid.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:33 am“For instance, the Senate package offers $15.5 billion more than the House for “money-losing companies to get refunds of taxes paid on profits in previous years.”
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 amHow lovely, how nice. Why don’t the congress-critters just open the doors of Ft. Knox to all of their friends and benefactors?
what i know about it, must’ve been a great game last night…
no “miracles” anyway… close though…
more proof that it’s talent and luck… nothing divine about it!
i loved the e-trade babies… still and always crack me up…
this new one with 2 babies is great…
on the today show, they were talking about these ads and one lady, talking about the doritos ads, didn’t like it much because of the theft and hitting a guy “in the nuts”!!!
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 amshe said that!!!
Tom Daschle has always impressed me as an intelligent and a responsible politician.
His “embarrassment” isn’t as bad as “Cold-Cash” Jefferson’s but really, “I forgot”?!!
I don’t want him to be rejected because I think he’d be a very competent HHS Sec. despite his tax-dodge.
But if he’s rejected because of it I wouldn’t disagree and anyone who feels outraged (rather than irritated as I am) has every reason to feel that way,
In fact as I’m thinking about I’m getting more pissed-off.
And what’s with this “disappointment” stuff? I’ve seen this term misapplied lately by quite a few politicians: “I’m disappointed that I got busted for something”? Puhleeze!
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 am22.Hippie_crusher Says: Liberal talk radio FAILS every time because talk radio is a forum for opinion, which means rational, logical argumentation meant to persuade. In order to argue well, one must subscribe to and have confidence in reason.
You’re not persuading me…in fact, your premise is completely flawed.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 amI think Tom Daschle and Tim Geitner are probably both great candidates for the respective jobs. Except, for the tax cheat issues.
This isn’t only a Democrat issue.
It’s probably the only bipartisan issue that our leaders can agree on: that they get to live by different standards than the rest of us.
Maybe the tax issues aren’t the biggest issues in the world, but if our leaders are going to fudge their taxes and only come clean if they have to endure a vetting or comfirmation process; how can they expect me or you to do the right thing?
If our leaders really want America to work better, maybe they should set a little higher standard for themselves.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 am#22
opinion isn’t the same as rational argument, and the rest of that comment is an epic fail not least because of that ignorant statement.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 amActually, liberal talk radio fails because the system is heavily rigged for the right. As in all areas where the Right succeeds, it’s a complete fraud:
The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:47 amhttp://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/06/talk_radio.html
If our leaders really want America to work better, maybe they should set a little higher standard for themselves.
After you remove the testicles of Dumbya from your mouth, apply this logic to your own party, fcukwit.
Your “concern trolling” will never diminish your nutt-coddling ways of the past.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:48 amhanshiro Says: If anyone is expecting Obama to promote Universal healthcare….
Obama has never promised Universal health care. I hope he changes his mind, however once he gets into the health insurance reform he did promise.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 amOdd. Hippie_crusher, you made the claim that radio show hosts must subscribe to reason. However, you exhibit a startling lack of knowledge with your comment on Joe Biden’s tax comment. Want to know what he actually said?
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans.
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”
Yeah, he said that the executives and mansion dwellers should be able to pay more taxes to boost the middle class and keep the economy afloat.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:50 amHippie_crusher Says: Liberal talk radio FAILS every time because talk radio is a forum for opinion, which means rational, logical argumentation meant to persuade.
Actually, we prefer the internet. Have you noticed how well we’re doing in here where there actually is dialog, debate and protection of the First Amendment?
You guys are being really sore losers now. You had your turn to run the country and screwed it up, so now just STFU.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:52 am30.unbelievable Says: Obama has never promised Universal health care. I hope he changes his mind, however once he gets into the health insurance reform he did promise.
Please note my use of the term “promote” and not “promise.”
Plus, Tiabbi puts to rest your ‘insurance reform he did promise,’ notion by Obama’s nominating a lobbyist who has just made the healthcare problem 100X worse and enriched himself in the process. The insurance and pharma industries will remain firmly ensconced, with only cosmetic applications to assuage the ‘faithful.’
Sorta like how removing your shoes will guard against terrorism…
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 amhanshiro…
1) I recall Obama specifically rejecting Universal Health Care, (to my great disappointment) during his campaign–so anyone thinking that was a plank of his platform wasn’t paying proper attention.
And speaking of which,
thanks for the info on Daschle—clearly I wasn’t paying attention either! His connections would indeed appear to be bad news for meaningful Health Care reform which is a desperate need.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 amhanshiro Says: Plus, Tiabbi puts to rest your ‘insurance reform he did promise,’ notion by Obama’s nominating a lobbyist who has just made the healthcare problem 100X worse and enriched himself in the process. The insurance and pharma industries will remain firmly ensconced, with only cosmetic applications to assuage the ‘faithful.’
Where’d you get your crystal ball?
I’m not into predicting the future before the guy has even been confirmed, much less allowed to do anything. That’s pre-judgment, aka prejudice.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 amBankers and Wall Street barons stole billions of US taxpayers dollars like robbers, but without putting a gun to anyone’s head.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 amThey simply said:
“If you don’t help us now,the whole economy and stock market will collapse and crash”. !!
Then Uncle Sam rushed to their rescue.
But the news coming now about those bankers and barons lavish parties,private executives jets, and the huge sums of bonuses paid to them tell us a different story.
Obama’s administration which promised ‘Change’ need to give this issue a top priority and clamp on these crooks,and secure taxpayers dollars before it is too late.
Send some of these crooks to prison to give a lesson to others in the business of stealing hard earned tax dollars from American people.
34. 5th Estate Says: hanshiro…1) I recall Obama specifically rejecting Universal Health Care, (to my great disappointment) during his campaign–so anyone thinking that was a plank of his platform wasn’t paying proper attention.
I agree, which is why I didn’t support Obama early on…his plan keeps the disastrous pharm/insurance industries in control, however, the ‘faithful’ are still expressing Obama’s plans in terms of betterment; and they inevitably mention the cracked door for Universal (single-payer) healthcare.
Daschle is not reform..not nowhere, not nohow. Like Obama’s cloture vote over telecom immunity, it’s the exact opposite of what he promised.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:05 amthank you canny55 #31… I knew that was a distorted quote by ‘freepie_huckster’.
I thought my response effectively covered everything, but of course, given the ‘opinion = rational argument’, my pointing out that it wasn’t wouldn’t be likely to register, so your more specific response is the better one.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:06 am35.unbelievable Says: Where’d you get your crystal ball?
Don’t be obtuse. Hiring a whore instead of a reformer doesn’t bode well for the future of a reform plan.
I’m not into predicting the future before the guy has even been confirmed, much less allowed to do anything. That’s pre-judgment, aka prejudice.
Label all you want. Insiders and journalists like Tiabbi have been covering Daschle for years. They know him as the sell-out whore he is. Who needs a crystal ball? You can’t be a prostitute for 6 days and expect to play a virgin on the 7th. That’s called a sucker bet.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 amHippie_crusher Says:
Oh, I know….let’s silence any dissenters with the “fairness doctrine”!!!
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:40 am
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February 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 amI don’t think the idea that the reason liberal radio fails is due to station owners being conservative. It doesn’t adequately explain the poor ratings of shows that do broadcast, like OBAMA 1260.
I think the reasons are more likely as unbelievable suggest: ‘Actually, we prefer the internet.’
I believe the conservative talk radio audience may be older and more comfortable with AM radio than they are with other media (internet):
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1356
Additionally, I get the feeling (no evidence to back it up) that many small business types that lean republican, would feel comfortable that listening at the office may not reduce productivity, where other sources -internet, television, newsprint; could.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 amWhat IS it that the freepers and cons have against the fairness doctrine? Wasn’t the fairness doctrine the rule back before Reagan that required TV Broadcasters to grant equal time to opposing candidates, in the interest of fairness and in exchange for the free use of “our” airwaves?
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 amWho–what sentient being with more acuity than a sea-cucumber–could listen to Ed Schultz and regard him as a ‘liberal’?
He’s lived up to his aspiration to become the Rush Limbaugh of the Left…a bloviating, bombastic bullshitter, dumber and greedier than a box of puppies…
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:16 amhanshiro Says: Don’t be obtuse. Hiring a whore instead of a reformer doesn’t bode well for the future of a reform plan.
Not obtuse – just think that you’re putting the cart before the horse. You think Obama would hire a whore? He’s smarter than that.
Label all you want. Insiders and journalists like Tiabbi have been covering Daschle for years. They know him as the sell-out whore he is. Who needs a crystal ball? You can’t be a prostitute for 6 days and expect to play a virgin on the 7th. That’s called a sucker bet.
People act differently in different situations. You can call it a label, but I’ll wait and see before passing judgment. So far, Obama has made a lot of excellent calls. I just find it hard to believe that he’s get this one so completely wrong as you’re suggesting.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:18 ambackup Says:
I think the reasons are more likely as unbelievable suggest: ‘Actually, we prefer the internet.’
I believe the conservative talk radio audience may be older and more comfortable with AM radio than they are with other media (internet)
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 am
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It’s also an issue of sponsorship. A true progressive talk radio show will, by its very nature, have to bite the corporate hand that feeds it – reporting on corruption and environmental issues and labor issues and whatnot.
Companies are going to be less likely to advertise on shows that turn around bash them for polluting lakes and killing Indonesians, whereas conservative talk radio gets to ride the pro-corporate wave.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 amActually, liberal talk radio fails because the system is heavily rigged for the right.
I don’t think the idea that the reason liberal radio fails is due to station owners being conservative. It doesn’t adequately explain the poor ratings of shows that do broadcast, like OBAMA 1260.
I think the reasons are more likely as unbelievable suggest: ‘Actually, we prefer the internet.’
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 amMaybe the truth is that they live in DC and they just don’t want to freakin’ hear it anymore!
What IS it that the freepers and cons have against the fairness doctrine
Duh, they can’t have the truth and reality constantly crushing their warped dreams and ideas.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 amYou think Obama would hire a whore? He’s smarter than that.
He already did, bubba! That’s the problem.
daschle = health insurance company WHORE
vilsack = Frankenfood whore
salazar = Coal/gas whore
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 amtoasterhead. That’s a good point, but it doesn’t explain why other corporate sponsored media, like television, don’t have a similar conservative monopoly.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 amA true progressive talk radio show will, by its very nature, have to bite the corporate hand that feeds it – reporting on corruption and environmental issues and labor issues and whatnot.
Which is why it’s such a mistake to think of Ed Shultz as a liberal…
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:25 amtokin librul Says: He already did, bubba! That’s the problem
Not everyone who posts here is a man…
What are you going to do when things get better and you have no one left to insult?
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 ambackup Says: toasterhead. That’s a good point, but it doesn’t explain why other corporate sponsored media, like television, don’t have a similar conservative monopoly.
Television does have a conservative monopoly. A recent study showed evidence for Sunday morning talk shows being heavily Conservative.
Plus, all televised media is owned by the same 4 corporations, which are always Conservative in nature.
Another study done by Harvard shows that people watch news expecting to heard confirmation of what they believe. When they do not, they assume the news media to be biased for the other side – hence the very false ‘liberal new media’ labels on actually conservative outlets. The MSM is no more liberal than I am the tooth fairy.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 amThe one hour of “The Office” was worth waiting for.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 amCats in the ceiling, false fire alarms, destroyed CPR dummy, and a “roast” — LOL.
What are you going to do when things get better and you have no one left to insult?
Ask me when anything gets better…
“bubba” is a non-gender-specific appellation. Bubbas can be male or female. It’s an attitude (stoopit), not genital, thing…
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 amLiberal talk radio doesn’t do well because liberals have abandoned radio as part of their lives.
There’s a one in the one-two punch that isn’t mentioned, and that’s the destruction of radio as a music medium.
With the lifting of restrictions on ownership and the immediate meteoric rise of Clear Channel and Galaxy Communications, music radio became both homogenized and hard to get into. Clear Channel has a really short plaaylist, and asks for an enormous amount of payola to get on it. Music companies could not adfford to promote twenty or thirty new acts a yearr (per company), but had to focus on one or two–and then people just stopped listening at work and in their cars to radio for music. It damaged the music industry horribly.
It used to be a standard experience in a cubicle farm to have a little radio tuned low –but that was replaced by listening to a CD in the computer’s drive to listening to one’s iTunes collection. And hey, no ads either.
And the long term ugly shift of NPR pushed liberals away from the radio further.
Liberal talk radio has the added problem of being too late. WE all like Air America (or parts of it), but we’d already found alternatives.
If I want left wing audio, I simply go to whiterosesociety.org, download it into my iPod and listen that way.
And no ads. Let’s say that twice.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:33 ambonzo 1958
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:33 amRove was rescheduled to the third week of February.
unbelievable Says:
Another study done by Harvard shows that people watch news expecting to heard confirmation of what they believe. When they do not, they assume the news media to be biased for the other side – hence the very false ‘liberal new media’ labels on actually conservative outlets. The MSM is no more liberal than I am the tooth fairy.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:30 am
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February 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 amtokin librul Says: Ask me when anything gets better…
“bubba” is a non-gender-specific appellation. Bubbas can be male or female. It’s an attitude (stoopit), not genital, thing…
You wouldn’t admit it anyway.
You may not agree with me, but to insinuate that I’m stupid is just ridiculous. Is that really all you have left? Calling people names?
You have become a troll.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 amObama keeps rendition as a CIA tool, at least the TimesUK reported such:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5636297.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 am44.unbelievable Says: Not obtuse – just think that you’re putting the cart before the horse. You think Obama would hire a whore? He’s smarter than that.
That is called a fallacy: Claiming that Daschle won’t disappoint because of virtues you have bestowed on Obama…why do you think you’re called, “the faithful?”
Taken another way: the republicans were blasted for putting lobbyist nominees “with ties to the industry” like the mining industry fiascoes, in department positions of the very industries they had worked to deregulate as lobbyists.
This is no different, and I think you’re being selectively disingenuous to pretend that it’s suddenly different because Obama is doing it. How does your high opinion of Obama explain away his telecom immunity betrayal/flip-flop?
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 amhanshiro Says: This is no different, and I think you’re being selectively disingenuous to pretend that it’s suddenly different because Obama is doing it. How does your high opinion of Obama explain away his telecom immunity betrayal/flip-flop?
Think whatever nonsense you want – I just happen to know that you can’t predict what he will or will not do. You can’t. It’s not blind faith, it’s a fact.
He was a senior fellow for the Center for Amerian Progress too. How do you reconcil that?
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 am45.hussein toasterhead Says:
Exactly! Well put. I canceled subscriptions to magazines when I found out decades ago that they either soft-pedaled or censored completely any negative press about their own advertisers. Time, Newsweek, etc. were just lying by omission to their audience.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:42 am61.unbelievable Says: Think whatever nonsense you want – I just happen to know that you can’t predict what he will or will not do. You can’t. It’s not blind faith, it’s a fact.
Translation: I got nuthin,’ can’t address the telecom immunity capitulation, so I’ll detour and ask irrelevant questions like his membership to some organization rather than confront the fair issue questions posed.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 amunbelievable Says:
Hippie_crusher Says: Liberal talk radio FAILS every time because talk radio is a forum for opinion, which means rational, logical argumentation meant to persuade.
Actually, we prefer the internet. Have you noticed how well we’re doing in here where there actually is dialog, debate and protection of the First Amendment?
You guys are being really sore losers now. You had your turn to run the country and screwed it up, so now just STFU. Or, if you want to keep on publishing your “logical argumentation,” why not sign up for the new BushCo laudation site?
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 amCo
61.unbelievable Says: Think whatever nonsense you want – I just happen to know that you can’t predict what he will or will not do. You can’t. It’s not blind faith, it’s a fact.
This is the same reasoning of the Catholic diocese when their diddling priests were reassigned.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 amhanshiro Says: Translation: I got nuthin,’ can’t address the telecom immunity capitulation, so I’ll detour and ask irrelevant questions like his membership to some organization rather than confront the fair issue questions posed.
I don’t need to be translated. I say what I mean.
I’m willing to accept that everyone does good things and bad things – not all good or all bad all the time. I think the FISA vote was bad. Said so about it at the time, and criticized Obama for it both here and to him directly. One bad decision does not constitute poor judgment. It makes them human. I expect their will be others – but as I initally pointed out, Obama has never run on a platform of Universal Health Care as you suggested.
And it was a valid question. If Daschle is an evil Conservative in disguise, then why was he part of this very liberal and progressive grassroots moveent that supports health care for all? Valid question. Got an answer or not?
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:56 amI love a SuperBowl where one team doesn’t just fold by the half. How many times did they change who had the lead anyways, like four?
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“Businesses are faring much better” in the Senate version…
Because we were all thinking is what the stimulus bill needed was less stimulus and more Bush-era corporate giveaways. Good to see Reid’s on the case.
/angrysnark
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Uncle Ho Says:
Officially, the latest unemployment figure for Michigan is 10.6%.
Unofficially, I’d make a heavy bet it’s really twice that.
I keep seeing those truck commercials where they’re making them to be able to jump through exploding buildings, dodge wrecking balls while driving through potholes, and drag heavy crap up a spiral ramp that’s on fire.
You know, as opposed to getting decent MPG.
Somewhere, somebody’s still not “getting it.”
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stateofthedivision Says:
The Obama team mastered the Friday evening bad news release with the Daschle story. TP ignored it all weekend, despite major stories in WaPo and NYT. A progressive site would be concerned about some of the revelations.
He screwed up his taxes, the vetting team found it and he paid the back taxes. Is that all you were talking about, or do you have more to share with the class?
If Daschle is good enough for the Senate, I don’t see why he’s not good enough for HHS.
You know, I’m sick of this tax thing. Unless you get audited or vetted, as far as you know, your back taxes were done correctly. If there’s a mistake, you don’t know. If the vetting team finds one, you pay the back taxes and it’s taken care of. That’s not a scandal, that’s the kind of thing that could happen to anybody who gets every tax return they’ve ever filed audited at once. Do you know for a fact that you don’t have any past tax returns with errors? No. Because you haven’t been audited on all of them.
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hanshiro Says:
If anyone is expecting Obama to promote Universal healthcare….the nomination of Tom Daschle should put the final nails in that dream’s coffin.
That’s the exact opposite of like a dozen different articles I’ve seen, which I don’t feel like quoting. As soon as Daschle was mentioned, most opinion folks who know from health care said he’d be the perfect guy if one wanted to get universal health care through. He knows health care inside and out, and he knows how to get things through the Senate inside and out.
The articles you’re citing largely seem to be blaming him for being an existing establishment figure. Gave some speeches… Paid for advice… Adviser to a lobbyist firm… Said lobbyist firm has worked on anti-progressive issues… “is a whore…” I mean seriously, you could draw those kinds of connections to anybody who has experience in Washington D.C. Why do you think health care industry segments paid him for speeches and advice? Probably because he knows something about healthcare. That’s good, right? And you’ve got one article calling Alston & Bird “Daschle’s firm” and another saying he’s an advisor to it. Which is it? What is his direct involvement in Telecom immunity, beyond his vote?
And what’s this thing with insisting that Cabinet members have ideologically pure positions anyways? I don’t care what the HHS Secretary’s past policy opinions are; their job is to implement Obama’s policy opinions. Everybody seems to think that all the Cabinet members just get to make up their own jobs without answering to anybody.
Yeah, it would be totally awesome if he was some “ideologically pure” health care rabble-rouser who had never associated with any bad guys and who just came out of the woods to storm the castles… like it’s any wonder why Dems fail so miserably so often.
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Hippie_crusher Says:
Liberal talk radio FAILS every time because talk radio is a forum for opinion, which means rational, logical argumentation meant to persuade. In order to argue well, one must subscribe to and have confidence in reason. One must believe that rational argumentation is not a waste of time. Liberals, succumbing to two centuries of nihilistic modern philosophy, no longer believe in reason.
When you say “liberal” do you mean right-wing? That’s what it sounds like you’re talking about there. FYI, “liberal” usually refers to left-wingers, whereas the polite word for wingnuts is “conservative.”
You’re the guys who don’t give reasons for your opinions. You’re the guys who take each others’ opinions and call them facts to generate more opinions. You’re the guys who believe that if you talk long enough and loud enough you can actually “create your own reality.” You’re the guys who are wrong.
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hussein toasterhead Says:
Flagged for deletion.
Har har.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:58 amhanshiro Says: This is the same reasoning of the Catholic diocese when their diddling priests were reassigned.
Now you’re just being ridiculous. I was trying to have discussion with you, but I see that you are making this personal. It’s not personal. I just don’t see how you can prejudge what’s going to happen. People have been doing that to Hillary Clinton based on her vote for the Iraq Invasion, and so far, they have been wrong about her as SOS.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 amgood conversation and information at C&L the other day:
Conservatives Getting All Worked Up Over Fairness-Doctrine Nothing
By David Neiwert Saturday Jan 31, 2009 7:00pm
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/conservatives-getting-all-worked-ove
one thing i learned, again, here – Sat, 01/31/2009 – 21:05 — LarryE:
He said the rule “would require radio stations to balance conservative hosts with liberal ones” and that it would “forc[e] stations to make equal time for liberal talk radio.”
That is utter and complete nonsense. First, the Equal Time rule and the Fairness Doctrine were two entirely separate rules. There was no requirement for ‘equal time’ under the Fairness Doctrine. Not for points of view, not for liberal and conservative talk radio broadcasts. Period.
Nor did the rule require some sort of artificial and equal “balance.” After going through several incarnations, in 1949 it settled into much the same form as we came to know it. It required two things: One, that stations were to spend some of their time covering controversial issues of public importance, and two, that contrasting views on those issues were to have a reasonable opportunity to be heard. Again, period. There was not even a requirement that individual broadcasts meet the standard, only that, overall, the station did.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:02 ammarie – i don’t remember laughing so much at ANY tv show as i did during last night’s Office… genuinely hysterical…
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:05 amElBruce Says: Yeah, it would be totally awesome if he was some “ideologically pure” health care rabble-rouser who had never associated with any bad guys and who just came out of the woods to storm the castles… like it’s any wonder why Dems fail so miserably so often.
Well said. You stated it better than I did. I guess this is ultimately a fundamental difference between realistist and ideoligists…
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 amunbelievable. I saw the point in your post, but you have to admit that it’s funny that you disparage tokin for namecalling; then, in the next breath, you call him a troll.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 ambackup Says: unbelievable. I saw the point in your post, but you have to admit that it’s funny that you disparage tokin for namecalling; then, in the next breath, you call him a troll.
I didn’t call him a troll to offend him or insult him, I was simply pointing out the reality of the situation. He comes in here and insults everyone all the time now. That wasn’t an insult – it was a fact. See the difference?
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 am66.unbelievable Says: One bad decision does not constitute poor judgment.
Right. That’s what bush keeps saying too.
You’re creating a haze of verbiage and generalities to explain away your savior’s feet of clay. All the worse for the ‘faithful,’ as they will be the last to clue in, having run out of apologist rhetoric.
The same rhetoric that they roundly rejected, rightly, when the republicans tried to float the same turds…
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:21 amIt doesn’t fail. That is right-wing propaganda. Like every other issue, the wingnuts think if they say it often enough, it will be true. You are talking about one station which changed its format. Progressive talk radio is on all over the country. I listen to WCPT, Air America, and Nova M every day.
The dirty little secret about right-wing talk radio is that their ratings are very poor in many markets, but the corporate right-wing ownership keeps it on in order to spread their propaganda on the air.
No one wants to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. What we need, and what the big media corporations fear, is losing their domination of the public airwaves. We need legislation to do just that and return the public airwaves to local ownership.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 amack… i meant “genuine hilarity“…
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 amalthough there was a lot of hysterical antics…
Actually, from someone who would listen to Obama 1260 everyday, the issue is the power of the station. It has one of the weakest transmitters in this area and would frequently get stepped on by more powerful stations adjacent to the dial. Conversely, WMAL 630 has one of the strongest signals in the area and airs conservative programming. And the ratings is a non-factor. Before they switched to the liberal format, they didn’t show up on Arbitrons ratings either.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 am67. ElBruce Says: That’s the exact opposite of like a dozen different articles I’ve seen, which I don’t feel like quoting.
So you can’t produce a link for any, say, two of “a dozen different…” Don’t waste my time summarizing crap you can’t muster the courtesy of providing source for.
The articles you’re citing largely seem to be blaming him for being an existing establishment figure. Gave some speeches… Paid for advice… Adviser to a lobbyist firm… Said lobbyist firm has worked on anti-progressive issues… “is a whore…” I mean seriously, you could draw those kinds of connections to anybody who has experience in Washington D.C.
Try again. You obviously either didn’t read Greenwald’s post, don’t know who he is, or want to purposely downplay the impact of hiring an industry whore who worked to turn the pharma/insurance into the towering sh*thole that it is.
And what’s this thing with insisting that Cabinet members have ideologically pure positions anyways?
Um, that was Obama’s promise, to get the lobbyists influence out of “our” government. This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and were this a bush appointee, we would, rightly, be slamming them for just these points. You’re as two-faced as the most ardent red-stater, bruce.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 amtokin librul Says:
“bubba” is a non-gender-specific appellation.
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I grew up around folks who use the appellation ‘bubba’ and never heard it applied to women.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:34 amDynamo Says:
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Hate to burst your bubble, but Daschle’s tax thingy already been covered.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 amI’m glad to see you are so strongly in favor of the Fair Pay Act.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 am79. Dynamo Says: I guess the Fair Pay Act made the fact that he paid his female campaign staffers less ok, because they took one for the team? I’m not following uhhhbama’s logic here.
I call bullsh¡t here. The salient bit in the article you linked to was this:
It does not state that the females and males were doing identical/comparable jobs. I analyze that this “CNS” right-wing lying crap ‘report’ is….crap!
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 amActually, Tom Daschle received no favorable treatment by the IRS. Like anyone else he had to pay the back taxes, plus penalties and interest.
So, what’s your problem?
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 amunbelievable. I see your point. But, the forest you may not see thru the trees is the term ‘troll’ which you characterize as just some innouous term to describe someone that you deem objectionable; is offensive namecalling to the person you direct it at.
So, if you really think namecalling is only the last option of someone otherwised void of valid arguments – don’t result to calling those you disagree with ‘troll’.
Because you’re not void of valid arguments.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am‘bubba’ is a southern colloquialism meaning brother.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 amBuckaroo. That’s a good point about signal strength.
People aren’t going to a station if the reception is poor or that can’t hear it at all.
February 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 ambackup Says:
harp and whine…….are you concerned?
Who appointed you as moderator?
You are an admitted troll who posts the same inane questions in a different way 10 or 15 times in each thread you join…..
can we have a pool dad?
Tokin has earned the troll tag by being consistantly pessimistic towards anything that happens with progressives. Tokin know that and doesn’t care. If he did, he would change his ways, he’s had plenty of chances.
Captain, you very conveniently forget who broght the venom and vile to the political discussions….can we say newt the lizard or andy card or lee attwater…..
I can only assume that you spend an equal amount of time calling the right wing bloggers and rush for thier namecalling and distortion of the truth….what, you don’t, oh…..I see.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 pmFred. It’s okay. Just go back to post approximately #58.
unbelievable is castigating tokin for namecalling. I’m making sure that unbelievable understands that calling someone a ‘troll’ is also namecalling.
If you want to call someone a ‘troll’, have at it. But, it just seems hypocritical to do it if you’re going to criticize others for it.
Take a look at it, and explain to me where the logic breaks down.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 pmed schultz just announced that, in D.C., HIS show is MOVING over to “570 on the AM dial”… not sure about the rest of the line-up…
he says howard kurtz writes about it too…
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pmbackup Says:
I read the thread captain, you found a wedge and you wanted to drive it home……again, and again, and again…..
loosen your bow tie and talk about something relevant for a change.
You don’t get to call progressives down for inconsistancies.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 pmoh… heh… kurtz’s writing is linked above…
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 pmI can drive 10 miles on the Beltway from MD into VA and the signal is totally gone. Unfortunately, 570 is a weak station as well. Doesn’t help that both stations are ineptly run.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:24 pmFred. I’ll let it go, my friend. I’m just not sure how enlightened this forum will be, if we can only examine or question the opposition.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:26 pmI would go CRAZY without Progressive talk radio every day. I can only tolerate 5 mins of Sean Hannity before I start screaming at the radio and switching the station to Randi Rhodes or Tom Hartman. I think Progressive talk radio is doing very well in some areas but the problem is that Conservative talk radio does so well because it appeals to your most basic emotions and fears while Progressive radio is more rational and logical when explaining issues and you don’t get the shouting matches and baseless attacks that get your heart pumping. I also think that radio appeals to the older demographic which (surprise surprise) tended to vote Republican while the younger Demographic is more into the internet and digital media and what not. But heck, you can get Randi Rhodes or Tom Hartman on podcast if you want!! For me, it’s more fun listening live though, lol.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 pmIt has done just fine without bowing to your or other right wingers criticizm to date.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:34 pmIf you care to know thy enemy, here’s Limbaugh’s take on Obama’s call to ignore him and his take on the Republican opposition to the stimulus package.
Even if you can’t stand Rush, it would be worth watching, because the Fox anchors do fawn over him at the end of the segment.
For those willing to consider his take, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfEjViVOpQ&feature=PlayList&p=8B81F55458B6093D&index=104
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 pmProud Says:
What’s the matter pool little fella, you don’t want to talk about the crimes of the gop?
The things you get upset about are the equivilant to running a stop sign when compared to the real criminals…..the gop….facts….an inconvenient truth.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pmYou post a youtube of rush???????
You miss the big picture captain. Obama warned the gop to stop listening to rush creating a crisis for the gop. They either had to defend rush’s partisan ways or denounce him.
They made thier choice and they will pay for it. Obama is a genius and the gop is left holding a bag full of shit which is their legacy.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm“Pride” is one of the seven deadly sins, even more so when combined with “stupid”.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:43 pmProud Says:
I have contacted the IRS we no longer have file accurate returns just make up whatever you want on your return and then become an Obama nominee and you are off the hook
REally? Well then you go right ahead and do that this year.
And those guys are “off the hook”? Really? Because I thought they had to pay — just like every single other person who is audited and an error is found (which happens quite often in audits, so I am told). Or would you PREFER politicians be treated with a different set of laws than the rest of America? How do you feel about subpoenas? Can anyone ignore them without consequence, or is that a part of the priveledged politicians? How about not getting jail time for being busted for illegal trading in prescription drugs? No big deal for political types and their friends?
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pmbackup Says:
Fred. It’s okay. Just go back to post approximately #58.
unbelievable is castigating tokin for namecalling. I’m making sure that unbelievable understands that calling someone a ‘troll’ is also namecalling.
If you want to call someone a ‘troll’, have at it. But, it just seems hypocritical to do it if you’re going to criticize others for it.
Cap’n:
1. Namecalling, no matter how juvenille, is just part of the millieu on TP. The only proper response to those that attack the person instead of the argument is to ignore them. It is tough, I know, but it is the only way. All the name-callers are just shades of rhf, they just don’t type in all caps and ROTL so much, but there really is no difference.
2. The best advice I ever got on this site was from Zooey when she told me to BE the Troll. She told me in the same post that SHE had been called a Troll. Never could understand that. But when someone calls you a Troll, that is again a sign of losing the argument and attacking the person. Personally, I think of it as a white flag of surrender every time some dope on this site calls me an idiot or a waste of skin.
3. Telling the hypocrites on this site they are hypocritical is like calling grass green. It’ll still be green, and it won’t listen to you. Ignore, ignore, ignore. Engage the folks you were talking about yesterday, the true Progressives that discuss ideas, and deny fertilizer to all the rest.
4. Can’t resist: STEELERS FOOTBALL, BAY-BEE!!!
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pmhanshiro Says:
So you can’t produce a link for any, say, two of “a dozen different…” Don’t waste my time summarizing crap you can’t muster the courtesy of providing source for.
Yeah, well you inlined instead of linking, so nyah. Seriously, the stuff you put up is the first anti-Daschle opinion pieces I’ve seen.
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Try again. You obviously either didn’t read Greenwald’s post, don’t know who he is, or want to purposely downplay the impact of hiring an industry whore who worked to turn the pharma/insurance into the towering sh*thole that it is.
I thought said he was paid for speeches and advice. Now he’s an architect of the entire industry?
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Um, that was Obama’s promise, to get the lobbyists influence out of “our” government. This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and were this a bush appointee, we would, rightly, be slamming them for just these points.
Obama has made what, 2 exceptions to the no-lobbyist rule he imposed on his subordinates? If this were a Bush appointee there’d be no point in criticizing that one because it would be like finding a particular needle in a needlestack. They were just about all ex-lobbyists. (PS: I’m still unclear on what Daschle’s legal relationship to that company was supposed to be: partner, lobbyist, or advisor?)
The problem that Obama has had throughout with hiring is that for any position, he can choose from one of these following options:
1) Hire somebody who’s been involved in the area within the last eight years. That means they can be associated with some of the various high crimes and misdemeanors infesting all areas of government and business during Bush’s term. Obama will be criticized as continuing Republican policies.
2) Hire somebody who’s been involved in the area, but not within the last eight years. That means their knowledge is completely out of date. Obama will be criticized as having a “Clintonista” cabinet.
3) Hire some kid straight out of college. They won’t have any experience, but they won’t have any bad associations either. Obama will be criticized for jeapordizing the area by putting inexperienced people in charge of it.
4) There is no option 4.
So what’s your big idea?
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Dynamo Says:
Obama picks another tax-dodger for cabinet!
Yes, we were already discussing that issue. Please utilize the “page up” key thoughtfully provided with your computer system to see a wealth of already-submitted responses to your breaking news.
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Dynamo Says:
I guess the Fair Pay Act made the fact that he paid his female campaign staffers less ok, because they took one for the team? I’m not following uhhhbama’s logic here.
I guess now if they were being paid unfairly, they could sue. If he was paying them unfairly, you’d think he’d have vetoed that, huh?
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 pmOr as a sign you have been outed……
seriously, when you call someone a troll it means that you have no intention of a rational discussion, that you are here to distort and weaken our stance.
Labeling someone a troll is usually done by concensus. I know you hate democracy but you are a troll and an idiot and a waste of skin.
You and backup just want to justify your existance. There is no real justification for you. You support failed policies and condemn good ideas just because you like attention.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 pmHey. Proud, the list can go on quite a bit in displaying the elitist political culture of protections the BUSH ADMINISTRATION has ushered in to DC over the last 8 years. Yes, some politicans get busted, but more get busted and walk than get the same punishment that Jane the Plumber’s Assistant would get for the same crimes.
You’re going to whine about a tax issue that was corrected and paid for? If the IRS believes that there was a malicious intent to defraud the governemtn they can have the tax cheat locked up (ask Capone). You’re crying over a non-issue (this is the level of getting a ticket for going 30 in a 25). How about some outrage over other, larger issues where the criminals have walked (or just got a slap on the wrist)?
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 pmKeltoi. you’re right. unbelievable has been cool to me, maybe that’s why I said anything at all. I agree with what you saying, it’s just that unbelievable has been someone that seems to listen – I thought it could be worth it.
Of course, I’ve been called much worse than troll. That doesn’t bother me. I also view it as more of a surrender, a last option. The only comments that ever cause me to sweat are the rational, patient responses, that cast reasonable doubt on my original position.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:55 pmWhat is this, a group therapy session? Let’s argue!
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Proud Says:
On another note, I have contacted the IRS we no longer have file accurate returns just make up whatever you want on your return and then become an Obama nominee and you are off the hook, my thanks to Geithner and Daschle, you have made all of our lives much easier.
Do you really think that if you were audited for every past year you filed a tax return, no discrepancies of any kind would ever be found? You can’t know that for sure witout having been audited. If some were, and you paid the difference, do we get to call you a cheat and tax evader for the rest of your life?
Obama’s vetting team is actually conducting these audits and having them pay the difference. That’s why you’re hearing about these cases. If it was a Republican, those audits wouldn’t have been done, and their past tax mistakes would go unpaid and kept out of the news.
See one of the many differences between R’s and D’s is that R’s don’t actually try to find where they’re doing wrong, whereas D’s check to make sure thay haven’t done anything wrong and fix it if they do. This is, by the way, also the reason that you guys got to start complaining about ACORN – because they were the only voter registration organization who was checking their cards for possible volunteer fraud and reporting what they found to the election districts. The agencies who didn’t check also didn’t get in the news. Don’t think that just because we find out what our mistakes are and correct them, that you aren’t making any mistakes; you just don’t care if you are.
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pmDoes Sarah Palin’s op-ed originate in the Star Tribune? Why not the WSJ or the ADN? Was it the only newspaper she could think of when she got done with it? Or, was she turned down by the Republican paper of record and her local daily? I know when I think of oil and gas exploration I think of Minnesota!
February 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pmThat goes back to what I was saying about ownership by the mega-media-corporations. It becomes very difiicult for a small local company to compete. WCPT in Chicago had a very weak signal for years. Despite that problem, they managed to buck the odds, and stayed in business, even though the right-wing propagandists were on gigantic WGN. Finally, because of continued support from people like myself (I was fortunate enough to do an Arbitron rating poll) they prospered and got on FM.
My point is, we need more competition, so we can have more success stories, while right-wing extremists, like Dynamo, favor less competition.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pmAnd to be fair to unbelievable, he wasn’t calling me a troll and he may well have had a point that tokin was, in his estimation, being disruptive. (which is a criticism of me that I would understand from many here).
The point is that the term ‘troll’ however accurate it may be to describe the behavior, amounts to namecalling to the target.
It’s a big boy and big girl world, just wanting to offer up, that’s what it is. namecalling.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pmYou and keltoy both are guilty of showing pseudo concern for progressive idea that evolve into critizm of progessive ideas. you think you are smart and cute but you are neither.
I will say it again. The label troll is garnered by your type by consensus. Not just one person’s personal attack of your statement. You earn it.
Now stop whining and acting “concerned”
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Cap’n:
1. Namecalling, no matter how juvenille, is just part…
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Wow… a support group for trolls is forming… how… how “liberal”…
I hear there’s a new 12 step program for people addicted to sodomy…
It’s called Rear Enders.
***Ka-bang…*** (rimshot)
Apparently, there’s also one for people addicted to Stairmasters now too, but that one’s a 12,000 step program…
***Ka-bang…*** (rimshot)
And don’t forget the one for people who suffer from reading issues…
Lysdexics Untied!
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(Over wild applause…)
Thank youuuuuuuuuu… thank you verrrry much!
You’ve been a wunnerful audience!
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pmFred. Obama says that Republican should stop listening to Rush.
Okay. the youtube is relevant, because it is what Obama is opposing. If Obama tells Republicans (and by extention, the rest of us), not to listen to Rush; the youtube offers what ideas he thinks we should dismiss.
It’s a little like God telling adam and eve not to eat the fruit from the tree.
If you are content to live in the garden without the knowledge of the fruit, take a pass.
If your interest is taking the bite and making the decision on your own, take a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfEjViVOpQ&feature=PlayList&p=8B81F55458B6093D&index=104
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:10 pmbackup Says:
It’s a little like God telling adam and eve not to eat the fruit from the tree.
If you are content to live in the garden without the knowledge of the fruit, take a pass.
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Bad analogy, b-cup. Obama isn’t God. Only righties keep referring to him as “The One”. And as for Rush, being a snake… can’t argue w/ you on that.
But I digress… very few Americans are as innocent and unformed in their political views as Adam and Eve. And we sure as H- aren’t all living in Eden.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm104.ElBruce Says: Yeah, well you inlined instead of linking, so nyah. Seriously, the stuff you put up is the first anti-Daschle opinion pieces I’ve seen.
Ah, no genius. I hyperlinked to Greenwald’s article wherein he hyperlinks to various quotes as well. You don’t even know what you’re talking about….and still you don’t back up your sources. Either lazy or a liar..or a lazy liar.
I thought said he was paid for speeches and advice. Now he’s an architect of the entire industry?
bruce, you ain’t worth wasting time over. You overstate absurdities to distract from your lack of sources and substantive/factual information. I provided substantive, qualified links to my positions. You? Bupkis.
This happens with you every time you get your @ss handed to you in any discussion: facts are like crosses and garlic to time-vampires like you.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pmFred. your cruel words can never hurt me – they only bounce of my ’shield of patience’ in my quest to turn your clenched fist of partisan bitterness into a welcoming heart from which flows a lifeblood of objectivity and open mindedness.
I love you, Fred. : )
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pmTRoS at 113 – very funny.
Here is one you can tell in mixed company:
What do you get when you cross insomnia, dyslexia and agnosticism?
Someone who lies awake all night wondering if there is a Dog.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pmbackup Says:
I love you, Fred. : )
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Oh, yucky.
The whole name-calling thing is more complicated than just tipping off a lack of reply.
Take Rush, for example. Few folks get flamed more here than “El Rushbo”.
Why?
I’ve taken the time to read both of Rush’s books in the past. I wanted to make sure what exactly I was dealing w/, so I did him the service. He actually had a point to make, every 10 pages or so. But for every one point he did make, he told 9 ugly lies, IMHO. And gain, IMHO, he told some whoppers.
It’s not too hard to suss out the lies in Rush’s output. And we, who object to those lies, really can’t stop Rush from telling them. He’s got his enormously well-paid megaphone to bloviate thru and he’s pretty much immune to anything we say or do.
I personally think the name-calling, in part, is just the way people express their enormous frustration at the disparity here. Rush get paid MILLIONS of dollars to call US names and spread his lies, and we’re left w/… what… rude comments on TP?
The whole name-calling phenomenon is quite a bit more complex than just “lack of an argument”. And yes, Rush makes truly distasteful comments all the time.
Hell, Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin call for poisoning judges and hanging reporters. Now, THAT’s responsible journalism, huh?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmbackup Says:
I love you, Fred. : )
Eeeeewwwwww……shouldn’t there be a rimshot here?
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pmI have relatives that I love but do not like.
You underestimate the anger garnered by the right over the last 8 years.
Your objectivity consists of telling progressives how unprogressive they are while standing in the conservative corner defending thier bi-partisanship.
I’ve seen enough and so has the country. America is in the midst of it’s own “Awakening” See election 2008
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
What do you get when you cross insomnia, dyslexia and agnosticism?
Someone who lies awake all night wondering if there is a Dog.
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Good one.
And I haven’t called you a name in quite a while.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
And I haven’t called you a name in quite a while.
Yeah, I have noticed, and your post at 119 got me thinking about that very thing.
Namecalling – complicated in its origins, but not fruitful.
Ralph has talked about this. Lots of folks come here to blow off steam. I get that, but it is hard to respect that. From a purely rhetorical/logical standpoint, it adds absolutely nothing to the debate.
I am thinking that with our new President, there will be less ambient anger on the Left. Perhaps it will lead to more civil discourse at TP. Not counting on it, but curious.
Either way, I am hooked. And thanks for playing nice, TRoS.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 pmI guess you missed the past two weeks of psychotic trolling by the pissed off Republicans around here.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 pmDoes anyone really know that he neglected something on his return unless or until he is audited? Can anyone here swear that there is no omission in a previous return? Are you certain you received all your 1099s?
My relative had his taxes done by H&R Block, which resulted in a $350 error (in his favor). He also had his taxes done by a CPA tax accountant, and found several errors in past returns, plus one even turned up later in one that he did.
I am not offering an excuse for Dsschle, but a reasonable explanation.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pmYou miss the whole point. You have contributed absolutely nothing to the debate. Whether you call people names or not is irrelivant….
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pmRemind reichwingers that John McCain failed to correctly file his returns for four years.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pmHippyLicker you are so stupid it hurts to read the distilled ignorance of your posts. I cant go through your whole excersize in abject stupidity or my braincells will just commit mass suicide. Liberal radio may never be the success of Limborg radio because liberals dont need or want anyone to think for them. Obviously this is not true for you. How in the world could a regulation that only calls for both sides to be heard silence ANYONE? I know morons as stupid as you are afraid to actually have both sides heard since your monumenatally stupid policies would never survive an actual hearing of both sides of the issue but if the OTHER side is being heard that presupposes the first side was ALREADY HEARD. That isnt silencing you simpering baboon. I know the Limborg has TOLD you to think this but unless you are braindead it doesnt make sense. You are being used. You are used because you are far too stupid to think for yourself so you repeat the idiocy you were programmed with. Since your masters have no respect for you and KNOW how ignorant you are they are having you repeat something that makes no sense whatsoever. You are a moron HippyLicker stop embarassing yourself
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pmBecause Obama has agreed to continue the use of rendition does not assume that torture is involved.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Either way, I am hooked. And thanks for playing nice, TRoS.
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Perhaps you don’t recall the little episode about 15 or 16 months ago when I got into it w/ some of the regulars over the language being used here, and got called a troll for my efforts.
ME!!! One of the bigger wise arses here… and I got labeled “troll” briefly. I even left TP for several weeks until it had passed. It’s a complicated issue.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmEugeneDebs, maybe you missed the trolls backup and keltoy tryinbg to get us to be nice and not call them names……..they are very concerned.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pmDynaMORON Says:
Why are you still bothering? You have already established you are a brainwashed moron ignorant beyond belief. All you can get now is diminishing returns. We all know how stupid you are and that you like to act like a petulant child acting up. There isnt anything left for you. We get it. You are a moron. You are a worthless creting. Nothing you post adds anything else. Here is a clue for free. Stupid, brainwashed, and worthless is no way to go through life. Try something else for once
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pmMarie. you’ve got a point. our tax law is out of control.
Money magazine did a story on taxes of a fictional family of 4 with a mortgage and some other investments. They had 20 CPAs do the returns and came up with 20 different amounts due for the taxes.
Almost all of them, BTW, over estimated the tax.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pmThat’s different. Republicans consider it their duty to avoid paying taxes.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:08 pmbackup Says:
Calling someone a troll if they are trolling is no more namecalling than calling someone a liar when they are lying or that they smell bad if they do. It is descriptive. Would you put the whole tactic of describing what someone is doing off the table for the sake of propriety? To be polite we should refrain from showing that someone is flat out lying or trolling? Whatever you think about that you can be sure I dont agree.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmFred Says:
EugeneDebs, maybe you missed the trolls backup and keltoy tryinbg to get us to be nice and not call them names……..they are very concerned.
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They are wasting electrons if they think they will tell me how to post. Trollstabbing is a moral imperative. Its time for the right to learn if they want to take the argument into the mud we can and will meet them and beat them there too.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 pmRepublic. I agree that it’s complicated issue, but it seems like you get it.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:14 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
You are pretty reasonable when we disagree Keltoi. I try to play nice with you. The thing is the rightwing has for so long felt like the exclusive franchise on personal attacks was belonged to them. I think it time we disabused them of this notion. I try to always be reasonable with those who are BEING reasonable you usually and backup almost always. Those who come here to tweak us, toss out insults to liberals, and add not a whit of substance like Lush, or Dynamo or HippyLicker have no reason to expect any other treatment. I am frankly sick of the rightwing trolls snivelling when we treat them the way they treat us. Some posts dont call for reasoned discourse but a return of serve. Yeah, I know a lot of people disagree, I however am convinced its long past time to take the gloves off. The ones that listen to Rightwing hateradio insulting liberals mischaracterizing us, just flat slandering liberals think that is an acceptable way to talk to us. They have a dire need to learn otherwise
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pmhanshiro Says:
…and still you don’t back up your sources.
Most of the discussion I saw on Daschle’s fitness in case Obama was going to pass UHC was from over a month ago. At the time I never saw anything claiming he was a pharma/insurance ogre… until now. As such, it’ll take me a while to go back and find those old links, seeing as how they’ve been buried by people whining about his old tax returns.
Aside from the fact that you quoted and linked to an article that quoted and linked to other articles, here’s what threw me off from what you cited:
Tiabi: But in picking Daschle — who as an adviser to the K Street law firm Alston and Bird
Stoller: The kicker of course, is that [Daschle’s firm] Alston and Bird did work lobbying on immunity for telecoms on FISA…
I’m just asking what his connection to the firm is, and to what degree he can be associated with everything they’ve done. I don’t see how FISA is relevant anyways. But most of the stuff he’s being criticized for in your cited article is the sort of thing that anybody who’s an expert on health care would be expected to do – advise and give speeches regarding health care details. Either he’s an experienced health care wonk, in which case he’s probably in intimate contact with various segments of the industry – or he’s an outsider, in which case he probably doesn’t know how to make the sausage.
It’s the same problem Obama had with the intelligence picks – everybody’s basically either a criminal or they don’t know what’s going on.
But my main point is that Cabinet members don’t get to just make up policy. Their job is to implement the President’s policies. If Obama tells Daschle to push a bill that’s bad for Big Pharma, then that’s what Daschle is going to have to do. Here’s an old article pointing out why Daschle is good for that role. Happy now?
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pmKeltoi at Night says:
Personally, I think of it as a white flag of surrender every time some dope on this site calls me an idiot or a waste of skin.
Did you just surrender?
I’m kidding, of course. Keep posting. An opposite viewpoint with intelligence is much appreciated.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:26 pmIf we all could be as civil…
ProudMORON spews more gibberish that is his trademark. When reading proudmorons posts the stupid always hurts my eyes. What happens to the brains of brainwashed morons like PM? Was there ever any higher brain function evident in their stupid musings? Did they always have the brains of fruitflies? Did listening to the screechmonkeys that do their thinking FOR them just gel their grey cells into unusable sludge resembling tapioca? The real question is how in the world could they be SO proud to be SO stupid?
Time to increase your medication ProudMoron.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 pmEugeneDebs Says:
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Keltoi at Night Says:
You are pretty reasonable when we disagree Keltoi. I try to play nice with you. The thing is the rightwing has for so long felt like the exclusive franchise on personal attacks was belonged to them. I think it time we disabused them of this notion.
Have at it, sez I. When John Kerry posts, I just go wow, what a Troll. And I AM a Troll! But Trolls should have standards.
I actually like the Left of the Tooth and Claw. There is no special reason for your team to play nice with those that don’t play nice with you.
Though I am not a Christian, I am fairly well versed in their theology. I always wanted to be that heckler in the audience at the Sermon on the Mount who asked, “But Lord, if you turn the other cheek, what if they slap that one, too?”
What I don’t like is unprovoked personal attacks. Why can’t we Americans disagree without it becoming nasty? Fight fire with fire, sure, that is like Apple Pie, but why throw the first stone?
Holy Crap, there are a pair of Moose in my yard…! That is different….
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:45 pmDynaMORON Says:
Obama’ female staffers made 78% of males’ pay
Women who worked on Obama’s Senate staff last year, however, were themselves paid on average 78 cents for every dollar a man was paid, according to data last year from the Report of the Secretary of the Senate.
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Got any evidence about the relative positions of those staffers? Do you expect them to pay the copy girl the same as the guy who writes the speeches? WAIT, what am I thinking. You are a MORON. You dont consider these logical considerations you just have an obsessive need to regurgitate what the Limborg TOLD you to think and mindlessly repeat the Uhhboma stupidity. You do know you are a pathetically ignorant piece of garbage dont you? Do you ever just sit down and think WOW I am an incredibly stupid punk? I mean you ARE an incredibly stupid punk. You have yet to do anything other than post abject stupidity and long ago debunked ignorance on this thread. When will you get the self respect to be embarassed for your ignorance?
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 pmDRxJ Says:
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Keltoi at Night says:
Personally, I think of it as a white flag of surrender every time some dope on this site calls me an idiot or a waste of skin.
Did you just surrender?
Yeah, I know, I know….it is better to give than receive, yes? And that Dope was generic. The Dopes will know who they are.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 pmEugeneDebs. you’ve got a point. you told me once you were a Christian (correct me if I’m wrong). The best way for me to try to explain is it kind of a wwjd.
I’m agnostic, but I have a hard time thinking of Christ trying to dismiss those that disagree with him, by calling them ‘trolls’.
And regardless of whether you believe in Christ or not, most would agree that his persona did a decent job of changing minds.
February 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm139. ElBruce Says: Most of the discussion I saw on Daschle’s fitness in case Obama was going to pass UHC was from over a month ago. At the time I never saw anything claiming…heehaw…heehaw…As such, it’ll take me a while to go back and find those old links…
Hmmm…who does this sound like…somebody familiar when pushed for specifics…
Palin: “I’ll try to find ya some and I’ll bring them to ya.”
So you make claims you can’t back up. Idiot.
Aside from the fact that you quoted and linked to an article that quoted and linked to other articles, here’s what threw me off from what you cited:
No, what threw you was your claim that I didn’t link to my sources. I did. Idiot.
But my main point is that Cabinet members don’t get to just make up policy.
Not according to the article you linked to, Idiot. Here, read this:
Get that? I’ll type it slowly: Crafting..legislation. Gee I wonder if his old pharma and in$urance buddie$ will have any $way…?
Here’s an old article pointing out why Daschle is good for that role. Happy now?
I would be, if the article had anything remotely like what you claim. The article says NOTHING about why Daschle is good for that role. NOTHING. The article essentially says HHS will be a challenge and Daschle will need really good deputies. NOTHING about why Daschle is good for that role. Idiot.
bruce, you’re a cartoon and a waste of pixels. Idiot.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:03 pmbackup Says:
Yes I am. I would never SHOOT any of the morons I let loose on. As usual things are more complicated than a look at the surface tells. What is BEST for the really stupid ones? Is it to allow them to continue trolling and insulting us with NO consequences? Perhaps, at least if they have any dignity and decency, when THEY are treated the way they treat US they just might think…Hey I dont like being insulted this way, if I dont like it maybe it bothers THEM when I insult THEM. Raising self awareness is never a bad thing. So I think I am doing them a long term favor. If not then all I can do is try. Tell me if your kid runs across the street without looking do you just let it pass or do you punish them or at least YELL at them? You need to look beyond the simple superficial take on issues. Trust me I do.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:04 pmEugeneDebs.
This:
seems more like and eye for an eye.
If my kid runs across the street, I try to explain why that’s a bad idea.
You could make the point that the child is so young they won’t understand. Granted. But, are you really suggesting that yelling at someone here is somehow going to help them?
EugeneDebs. You’re cool. I’ve read your posts. I think that some of the power behind what you’re trying to say is getting diminished by the verbal retorts, that if you’re reasonable, you’d agree that any grade schooler could come up with.
You are more than that, my friend.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:16 pmOver on the today’s Wonk Room:
Tom Daschle’s ties to the health industry and his promise to wait a year before working on “particular matters” in which “a former client of mine is a party” may suggest that Obama doesn’t plan to take up health care reform until 2010.
Wow, that’s Bush level twisted. Appoint a corporate whore, then blame the waiting period for inaction.
TP became a sincerely unfriendly place to discuss Obama’s cabinet picks. Daschle is for-profit health care dirty, just like Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, Ron Wyden, and Kent Conrad. Richard Jefferson joined with Rick Santorum to feed off dialysis companies. Pay attention to the details, if healthcare reform ever gets off the ground.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 pmbackup Says:
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EugeneDebs.
This:
Hey I dont like being insulted this way, if I dont like it maybe it bothers THEM when I insult THEM.
seems more like and eye for an eye.
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NO because that presumes someone is going to actually lose an eye. No lasting harm is done by giving back the same VERBAL abuse they are dishing out. That is a very important distinction. We may see it different, I dont care, to me it is about rasing awareness. They need to feel the same sting they like to dish out and yet they wont be limping from reading a post.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm149. stateofthedivision Says:
Hear hear! Real progressives push for the principle, not just ‘our side.’ If Obama is sliding into bush country, it’s incumbent on real progressives to open up a can ‘o whup@ss against the perpetrators, no matter which party is doing it. Obamapologists, like bushies, not welcome.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 pmEugeneDebs. I disagree, but I appreciate you took the time for an honest response.
February 2nd, 2009 at 3:26 pmhanshiro Says:
So you make claims you can’t back up.
I gave you a link regarding what I was talking about.
The point I had heard previously was that Daschle was extremely wonky about health care stuff and he knew how to get stuff through the Senate. If Obama wants universal health care – or even something close, then Daschle’s background will be a plus, not a minus; it’s not like he would or could go against it.
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backup Says:
If my kid runs across the street, I try to explain why that’s a bad idea.
If my kid runs across the street, I yell as loudly and sharply as I can, then when they’re out of danger make with the calm explanations. There’s no time for discussion when there’s an onrushing car.
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stateofthedivision Says:
TP became a sincerely unfriendly place to discuss Obama’s cabinet picks. Daschle is for-profit health care dirty, just like Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, Ron Wyden, and Kent Conrad. Richard Jefferson joined with Rick Santorum to feed off dialysis companies. Pay attention to the details, if healthcare reform ever gets off the ground.
If Obama fails to deliver on health care (and mind you, he never promised universal, but I expect a lot more than we have), I’ll be glad to grab a torch and pitchfork along with everybody else. But cabinet picks aren’t bills. Criticizing his cabinet pics as if they constituted a policy in and of themselves is only reasonable if you think that all of the government agencies are going to be allowed to wander around creating their own policies without any control from the White House. This is not the case.
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmOh hanshiro, here’s a link from TNR on Daschle, and a very good one from the American Prospect. The second one in particular points out the difference between hiring an insider and tilting at windmills.
February 2nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm153.ElBruce Says: I gave you a link regarding what I was talking about. The point I had heard previously was that Daschle was extremely wonky about health care stuff and he knew how to get stuff through the Senate.
Your link said NOTHING about any of that, Idiot. NOTHING. You grabbed the first link you could google and slapped it in a post. Now as my previous post said, the link doesn’t say anything of what you claim, yet you keep honking “I gave you a link…”
You’re a lying dou(hebag, brucie.
154.ElBruce Says: Oh hanshiro, here’s a link from TNR on Daschle, and a very good one…quack..quack..
What, 35th time’s the charm? Your links suck, bruce. I don’t care to waste any more time on your ‘links’ only to find out they don’t even include the info you claim.
Your TNR link doesn’t even include Daschle’s lobbying firm or his activities there. The comments point out that a NYT piece had that stuff that very day that the TNR piece came out!
Can you say “puff piece?” The American Prospect piece doesn’t mention how a whore automatically qualifies to know reform. There’re mentions of bodies buried, but that works both ways, as Daschle has a few the industry could exhume too.
I love this line:
Are you sh¡tting me??? “they know how it works???” Yeah, you get sick, the insurance industry denies your claim, and you lose your house in the bankruptcy paying medical bills.
Then the boogie-man quote about a “shadowy banking authority” when a shadowy insurance authority already pulls this crap, with not even a congressional selection process or oversight. That’s ‘worse conversation.’ Notwithstanding the fact that the insurance and pharma industries that fattened-up Daschle will remain where they’ve done the most damage: at the center of a spectacularly dysfunctional healthcare system.
Daschle is no reformer.
bruce, I was wrong, you’re not an idiot, you’re a full-blown, lazy-@ssed moron who googles poor sources to support your neophyte, naive uninformed opinions based on O’Reilly factor teevee.
You’re so stupid it hurts.
February 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pmNPR reported on the Bad Bank that will buy up toxic assets. Their aim? To get those toxic vehicles back into investors hands! More commissions.
What if J & J took tainted Tylenol and sold it through discount stores? No one would buy.
Investors shouldn’t either.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:01 pmThe Carlyle Group’s David Rubenstein speaks and Obama listens. Will David go three for three from the foul line?
http://peureport.blogspot.com/2009/02/carlyle-groups-rubenstein-speaks-obama.html
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 pmBad bank shows Obama can corporafornicate in Bush like fashion. And his promise to waive IRA penalties for people trying to save their homes? Haven’t seen it, but I did notice the private equty boondogle for firms buying back debt on the cheap.
February 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm