Kristol: GOP Should Unite Against Economic Recovery Package Now To Help Defeat Health Care Later
Kristol: GOP Should Unite Against Economic Recovery Package Now To Help Defeat Health Care Later
On Monday night, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol appeared on Neil Cavuto’s Fox Business show to discuss conservative criticism of President Obama’s economic recovery plan. “I’m less certain than I was even 4 or 5 days ago” that Democrats would push the stimulus bill through the Senate without GOP support, said Kristol. “I do think it’s now a question.”
Kristol then claimed that “the loss of credibility” that Obama and congressional Democrats could incur from the process of passing the recovery package “really hurts them on the next piece of legislation.” Citing the example of Bill Clinton’s experience in the 90s, Kristol said that a united conservative front against the stimulus now could help them defeat health care legislation in the future:
KRISTOL: But the loss of credibility, even if they jam it through, really hurts them on the next, on the next piece of legislation. Clinton got through his tax increases in ‘93, it was such a labor and he had to twist so many arms to do it and he became so unpopular.
CAVUTO: Without a single Republican vote. Without a single Republican vote.
That it made, that it made it so much easier to then defeat his health care initiative. So, it’s very important for Republicans who think they’re going to have to fight later on on health care, fight later on maybe on some of the bank bailout legislation, fight later on on all kinds of issues. It’s very important for them, I think, not just to stay united at this time, though that’s important, but to make the arguments.
Watch it:
Kristol is no stranger to marshaling opposition to affordable health care for every American. In December 1993, Kristol distributed a private strategy document to Republicans in Congress, advising them that they should work to “kill” Clinton’s health care plan. Echoing conservative intransigence today, Kristol wrote that “any Republican urge to help Clinton “do something” on health care “should be resisted“:
The forces advocating reform weren’t prepared for a Republican Party animated by William Kristol’s famous memo, “Defeating President Clinton’s Health Care Proposal,” which darkly warned that a Democratic victory would save Clinton’s political career, revive the politics of the welfare state, and ensure Democratic majorities far into the future. “Any Republican urge to negotiate a ‘least bad’ compromise with the Democrats, and thereby gain momentary public credit for helping the president ‘do something’ about health care, should be resisted,” wrote Kristol.
Apparently, even a fancy dinner with the president can’t stop Kristol from plotting to undermine Obama’s agenda.
Transcript:
CAVUTO: I’ve been actually ignoring this stimulus thing. It’s a fait accompli, it’s going to happen, it could be a waste of money. But I’ve really been focused on what could be the huge and much more expensive enchilada. And that is re-doing, fixing the bank rescue fund and maybe making it a lot bigger. And some of the measures they’re going to take. We’re going to get into the details later on in this show. But that could be really where they go over the top. What are your fears there?KRISTOL: Well, I mean I have the same fears as everyone. But I would say this, that this is where this thing could really matter. I think they could probably end up jamming the stimulus package through, though I’m less certain than I was even 4 or 5 days ago. I do think it’s now a question. But the loss of credibility, even if they jam it through, really hurts them on the next, on the next piece of legislation. Clinton got through his tax increases in ‘93, it was such a labor and he had to twist so many arms to do it and he became so unpopular.
CAVUTO: Without a single Republican vote. Without a single Republican vote.
KRISTOL: That it made, that it made it so much easier to then defeat his health care initiative. So, it’s very important for Republicans who think they’re going to have to fight later on on health care, fight later on maybe on some of the bank bailout legislation, fight later on on all kinds of issues. It’s very important for them, I think, not just to stay united at this time, though that’s important, but to make the arguments. They’ve got, they really have a chance and the American public’s focusing for the first time in a way on what Republicans are saying since the Bush administration’s left office. They’re making pretty good arguments, I’ve got to say. And I think it’s really helping Republicans build up some credibility for the times in the future they’re going to have to go to the American public and try to take on a President who remains popular. But people can distinguish. They can like and respect Barack Obama and think, “you know what? This legislation doesn’t sound too good.”
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Oh Billy boy…Please shut your pie hole and continue your journey into irrelevancy.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:43 amKRISTOL: Clinton got through his tax increases in ‘93, it was such a labor and he had to twist so many arms to do it and he became so unpopular.
…until those tax increases led to a booming economy and federal surpluses. Then he was popular again.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:44 amThis is what the GOP thinks of you America. They do NOT care what happens to you as long as you are a good little slave.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:44 amWas Bill wearing his basic red clown suit, or the white one w/ purple polka dots for this one?
February 4th, 2009 at 11:47 amCountry first, huh?
February 4th, 2009 at 11:49 amThe Republicans have nothing to offer this country but obstruction. I so dearly wish the American people would pay closer attention. Eight years of Republican rule have brought this country to its knees. Now they are trying to prevent the recovery we so desperately need from occurring. As the leader of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh, intones, they will be happy with nothing less than the failure of America.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:50 amPoor Billy. He must still be pissed because the The New York Times got rid of his tired ass last month and refused to renew his contract.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:51 amI hope you’re paying attention, Barack. These pigs will shake your hand, eat your food, pat your kids on the head and knife you in the back. Stop trying to walk on water, it’s time to fight back.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:52 amfolks, this is what kristol is supposed to do. this is what conservatives are supposed to do. it’s called politics, and this isn’t news.
i mean, serious, are you really surprised that conservatives are upset, or at least minimally concerned, about the stimulus? did you honestly not expect a big fight with conservatives on this?
think progress should probably spend more time and energy examining the details of the stimulus, rather than cherry pick silly comments from conservatives on it.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:52 amI couldn’t care less what Kristol has to say.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:53 amIf Billy was in Europe and made these comments, he would not make it to work the next day.
Billy,,,in 1993 we didn’t have the internet, text messaging, email. We do now therefore we can orginize better, raise money (look at O’s campaign offerings).
Billy, you think we are the same people we were in 1993??? Your an idiot plain and simple. The Repugs will (are) fall like a ton of bricks and the proof is in the pudding….Joe the Plumber attending a economic conference….What a F&^6 joke my friend.
Go back to your pie hole and don’t smile…we wouldn’t want to see any of the shite on your teeth. Moron!!!
February 4th, 2009 at 11:53 amKristol continued,
“Being a conservative pundit is easy – it’s like taking medicine from a baby.”
Lou Dobbs added,
“Yeah Bill, a little Mexican baby.”
Then they laughed, and laughed, and spent $1000.00 on lunch.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:55 amFrom TPM’s David Kurtz:
“It occurred to me while reading Politico’s interview with Dick Cheney, that the GOP’s plan to regain political viability in the short term rests on two disaster scenarios: the failure of the financial rescue efforts (stimulus, TARP, and other bailouts) to stave off complete economic collapse and a new mass casualty terrorist attack — both of which they are positioning themselves to blame Obama for.
Without one of those two, they have to figure it’s going to be a long time wandering in the political wilderness. Now think about the curdling effect, the blight on the soul that comes with rooting for such disasters to befall your country. The rot is now eating at the party’s very core.”
Win at any and all costs, right ‘Pugs?
PEACE
February 4th, 2009 at 11:56 amUnite to defeat economic recovery and affordable health care for Americans?? How is it that Republicans get any votes at all? It shows that the human mind can easily be manipulated. Very dangerous.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:00 pmWhen does his blathering cross the line into anti-Americanism?
February 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pmI’m not clear as to why what this guy says matters any more than anything we post in our respective political blog comments. I’ve seen commenters in the blogosphere with far more insight and analytical acumen than anything Kristol has done in the past 9 months (can’t speak to anything before that because I never really paid much attention). Those people are not treated to regular television appearances. When I see him,he is either wrong or silly and typically both.
Both he and Dick Morris remind me of some drunk sorority girl at a college house party who chatters constantly and loudly about her slutty escapades just hoping to be noticed. No embarrassment, no concern whether the attention is positive or negative, occasional hyperbole, and no thoughts about her reputation. That is Bill Kristol. His will to be outrageous gives him a public venue, even when it is something most Americans desperately disagree with.
24-hour news is the worst idea of the last 50 years.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm15 – 1986.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmhey, barack… Mr. President… remember this?
“ENOUGH!”
… i’ve had it… have YOU?
… and yet, i’m not sure what to do about it…
except call the media out on the obvious BIAS that is preventing you from getting the FACTS and the TRUTH out to the PEOPLE.
that would be a good start… better late than never…
February 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pmfolk, this is what ThinkProgress is set up to do. this is what political websites do. it’s called political commentary, and this isn’t a news organization.
i mean, serious, are you really surprised that progressives are overcome with hilarity, or at least minimally amused, about Kristol and other conservative pundits? do you honestly not expect a big laugh from progressives aimed at them?
think progress should probably do whatever it wants to do, being serious about examining the details of somethings, while holding up to ridicule other silly comments from conservatives.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pmAll Billy is doing here is spouting the Squash Limburger line in different words — “I hope Obama fails”.
Hoping the economic recovery fails. Hoping health care reform, providing affordable health care to all Americans, fails. This isn’t just politics — it’s hoping that the American way of life, or at least the recovery of our way of life pre-BushCo, fails.
That’s not just politics, darladooner — hoping that our country doesn’t recover and doesn’t advance just to prove a political point is unpatriotic and potentially treasonous. And that’s what’s so wrong with what these a$$hats are saying and doing, and trying to convince the 23%’ers to follow along with…
February 4th, 2009 at 12:08 pmThe Republican party and their BFF’s the neocons have shown the American public these last few days specifically that they do not care about the economy, the People’s will or the day to day troubles that we face as a Nation. Their only concern is regaining power and furthering their warped agenda to it’s conclusion which apparently would mean the incidental demise of America. They don’t care though, all they want is to defeat Democratic legislation…that’s IT! Whether or not it could help struggling Americans gain a leg up is irrelevant to their arguement. Krystol, Rush, Hannity, Beck, Drudge and all their GOP minions on the Hill pray that Obama (and the rest of the US by the way) fail and will work tirelessly to ensure that no help to the downtrodden will be forthcoming. They actually see this as a strategy? Don’t they realize that if America/Obama fails there won’t be any future America for them to regain power in? 12 years of Republican dominance followed by their gleeful obstruction of much needed legislation and we are expected to seek bi-partisanship?? Go Cheney yourselves dry GOP and you can shove your neocons and “think tanks” far up your collective @ss-pipes! We tried your way and now it’s time once again to clean up your mess. We do not need your help, your input or your obstructionism. We DO need to prosecute, convict and make a stark example of some of you though, so don’t go too far. Just sit down, shut the eff up and a grand jury will get in touch with you eventually.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:08 pmGood plan kristol, 80% of Americans want health care fixed and you come out against it….
wrong again….not classy but predictable.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:10 pmThe only problem with Kristol is that he doesn’t go far enough.
Instead, the electorate should unite in a conspiracy to make sure the economic recovery fails. If you can’t nuke the banks, at least take all your money out and bury it in the back yard. Take out massive amounts of debt and then default. Give all your money to the rich so they can put it in offshore banks and arrange for their retirement in other countries. When the economy fails, we will have shown those liberals how detestable they are.
If we can get the USA to fail, we will triumph into a glorious new future. Osama ben Laden started the process. Now we can drive the stake into the dragon’s heart.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pmIn 1977, Jimmy Carter entered office with one of the worst economies in history waiting for him. In his first four years, the Republicans (even though still horribly discredited due to Nixon and Ford’s pardon) obstructed and blocked every attempt he made to fix it. Carter made things easy for them by being too nice. By 1980, things were only slightly better by the numbers than they had been four years earlier, but were much worse in the public imagination. People were sick and tired of having a crappy economy for that long. So Carter got blamed (for not fixing the Republican mess) and the Republicans won in a landslide in just four years.
The cycle is simple: Republicans destroy everything in two terms, a Democrat wins, the Republicans stop the Democrat from fixing what they’ve destroyed, then the Democrat takes the blame and gets kicked out after one term.
They screwed up their system by winning in 1988 with G.H.W. Bush. He inherited Reagan’s recessionary mess (which should have gone to a Dem), and was blamed for not fixing it in four years, so Clinton manage to slip in. Hitting the economic upswing, Clinton managed to ride it for two terms. If he had chosen to reverse the cycle and left the country a smoking shambles in 2000, that would have left chimpy a one-term President and set up a Dem for two terms to follow.
If Obama fails to push his plans over the Republican speed bump, there’s a very real threat that he will end up in the same trap, and we’ll see a big R victory in 2012. Obama needs to show significant results in his first term.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:13 pmThese ideologues are bordering on treason. To oppose the recovery of your country because it’s the other side who will get credit seems treasonous to me. It’s not a case of, “How is the best way to recover” and throw out some ideas, it’s, “I hope they (we) fail”.
And now for a little hyperbole…Shoot the bastards and let them rot where they fall.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:14 pmdarladooner says,”think progress should probably spend more time and energy examining the details of the stimulus, rather than cherry pick silly comments from conservatives on it”.And I agree,the re-pukes are going to politicize us to hell if they can,Obama and the rest of the dems will prevail and America will recover.The re-pukes refuse to agree for the purpose of destroying this country and taking it to unknown depths because they are sore losers who don`t care about this country and hold their consrvative,neocon, re-puke speak ideology higher than the recovery of America.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:14 pmTP, you do realize that you may have had the only television in the country not owned by Neil Cavuto that was tuned to Fox Business don’t you? That network gets worse ratings than some public access shows. Kind of a pity because I want lots of voters to see Republican shills like Billy openly plot against the programs of a popular newly elected president. I don’t care if the shills are self-styled patricians like Billy or trailer tards like (not) Joe the (unlicensed) plumber. Tolerance for mindless obstruction wears thin when jobs are lost, salaries are slashed and retirement accounts are gutted.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pmGOP – on the brink of extinction due to irrelevancy.
Soon to be found only in the backwoods of the Rural south, along with the KKK, radical separatists, and polygamists.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:17 pmBill Kristol, as seems typical of wingnuts, appears incapable of actually learning lessons from experience.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:19 pmI believe most Americans have finally figured out that
the only way health insurance will be reformed is through the
democrats. What solutions do the GOP have ?
Kristol just illustrates the republican desire to keep the
February 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmstatus quo. Nearly one fifth of americans uninsured, sadly,in
a nation that leads the world in medical reasearch and technolgy.
folk, this is what ThinkProgress is set up to do. this is what political websites do. it’s called political commentary, and this isn’t a news organization.
it would be nice if you could say that in yourown words, thank you
February 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pmJust like the 9/11 attack enabled the neocons to put all their evil plans in motion, I’m starting to wonder if this financial crisis isn’t just another possibly enabled crisis that they were hoping they could use towards their ends.
If repugs were still in power they’d probably be trying to cut ever single social program (if not do away with them completely) right now and just be throwing larger tax cuts to their friends. They’re probably wishing they could just get rid of social security and medicaid, for example.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pmdarladooner Says:
folks, this is what kristol is supposed to do. this is what conservatives are supposed to do. it’s called politics, and this isn’t news.
i mean, serious, are you really surprised that conservatives are upset, or at least minimally concerned, about the stimulus? did you honestly not expect a big fight with conservatives on this?
That’s not the point at all. It is absolutely critical to keep the light on the strategies of Republicans, particularly when they are blatant about the motivations for their behavior. As the post makes clear, Kristol was instrumental in Republican obstructionist strategy in the previous Democratic administration and is simply giving voice to the current strategy.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:26 pmThe republicans have declared de facto war against the American public. The corporations will work to undermine any policy that affects their stranglehold on industry, from pharma policy to insurance policy to farm policy. To religious policy.
These aspects are meant to impose limits on public rights. The 5th estate was considered the last bastion of uncovering and speaking truth to power, but as anyone who watched the last 8 years, that notion has been chloroformed.
Because the culture, backed by corporate formula, has conditioned the public to virtually depend on corporations exclusively, (how many people would survive if the local grocery shut down?) there exists little the public can do to directly challenge the monolithic control of conglomerates; with the legal status of a person, but the resources of a god.
Make no mistake, as ADM once put it, the corporations consider the public/customer as the enemy:
The republicans, who represent the interests of the corporations ultimately and exclusively, will shamelessly do anything to regain position, only during the bacchanal of the bush years did the mask of pretense slip and reveal the truly callous nature of the Corporate Party.
Kristol is issuing a “call to arms” to defeat the growing grumble against republican obstructionism. Like the degrading success of the AT&T sponsored iPhone immediately following the revelations of AT&T illegally disclosing personal records, Kristol is banking on a hubristic distraction to detour an easily manipulated public.
Usually, the repetitious noise machine is enough. Propaganda.
The question is, would you know what to do if the grocery shut down? The grid? If not, whom do you blame? The grocery, the power company, or yourself for allowing the instinct of common-sense survival to be eroded by the ease of teevee, bulk chips and pizza delivery?
Plant a garden this year. Get a solar device of any sort. Re-familiarize yourself with self-sufficiency. The corporate party is banking on your weakness to keep you tethered to their real constituents; “bush’s base.”
February 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pmMarie Says:
When does his blathering cross the line into anti-Americanism?
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One small adjustment, if I may?
“When DID his blathering cross the line into anti-Americanism?”
YEARS AGO…
February 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pmThey still can’t get that 80% of Americans WANT UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE??
February 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pmRepukes hate America, as above, 80% want Universal health care.
The Dems need to realize that the Regressive Repukes are RoadKill, kick them to the curb.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pmMeanwhile, “free” clinics are having to charge these days.
You’d think the Republicans would understand that healthcare is an important issue for millions of Americans. They are increasingly tone deaf.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pmdarladooner Says:
it would be nice if you could say that in yourown words, thank you
As if trolls say things in their own words. I figured you’d understand a restatement of your words, using your logic. You’re welcome.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pmI’m sure Kristol will have no problem posting all of his wingnut welfare as collateral for his battle theme. Future medical bankruptcies, sky rocketing premiums, deductibles and co-pays don’t pay for themselves!
February 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pmmary Says:
Just like the 9/11 attack enabled the neocons to put all their evil plans in motion, I’m starting to wonder if this financial crisis isn’t just another possibly enabled crisis that they were hoping they could use towards their ends.
If repugs were still in power they’d probably be trying to cut ever single social program (if not do away with them completely) right now and just be throwing larger tax cuts to their friends. They’re probably wishing they could just get rid of social security and medicaid, for example.
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I agree Mary and often wonder about this myself. The bailout was announced in September. Two months before the presidential elections. Could it have been used as an attempt to sway voters away from the less experienced democratic candidate? Just as I believe the Georgia/Russia conflict was started.
Was the Bush administration trying to hide the true shape of our economy until Barack became president so that he and the democrats would take sole blame for it? How many months did Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson tell us that the economy was going strong? How long did President Bush deny that we were in a recession. Perhaps the administration tried pulling the wool over the American peoples eyes but the economy became so bad thanks to the Bush policies, they could no longer hide the fact that they’ve destroyed the economy which is why they needed a massive bailout. Or that as you say, it has been planned all along.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pmThen again this whole crisis could have been designed to make sure Americans would never see Universal health care and other social programs like social security would have to be gutted.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pmMore proof that Bill Kristol is dumb as a post. As if more proof were required…
February 4th, 2009 at 12:45 pm42. Uncle Fester Lurks Says: Then again this whole crisis could have been designed to make sure Americans would never see Universal health care and other social programs like social security would have to be gutted.
Economic rendition….
February 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pmMore comedy from Billy Kristol! To hell with the 11 million working people in the US officially counted as unemployed! Let them eat ideology!
February 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pmPoor millionaires like Kristol will not stop until they get a giant tax refund on the backs of millions and at the expense of America’s well-being.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pmUncle Fester Lurks Says:
Then again this whole crisis could have been designed to make sure Americans would never see Universal health care and other social programs like social security would have to be gutted.
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I have read several times over the last few years that the secret GOOPer pan was to run up such a huge debt at the Federal level that the govt would collapse, have to cut all social spending forever, and sell off all its assets (hint: national parks…) to satisfy its creditors.
When you see just what Botch did for eight straight years, it’s hard to not believe that, in some form. Who are the 3 biggest debtor presidents in the history of the country? Reagan, Botch I & Botch II, and Botch II has run up more debt than ALL prior presidents combined.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pmstewarjt Says:
More comedy from Billy Kristol! To hell with the 11 million working people in the US officially counted as unemployed! Let them eat ideology!
Good one! But what if Faux talking heads are vacationing at their personal resorts? Are guns & religion instead good ways to bide the time of the unemployed drones?
February 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pmTRoS & Uncle Fester:
this is a post from today’s ThinkFast that I hope stateofdivision doesn’t mind me quoting:
stateofthedivision Says:
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All the talk of infrastructure and the package has very little for “highway construction, public transportation and water and sewer projects.”
That’s because the private sector has hundreds of billions ready to use on privatizing that very infrastructure.
If the feds put up the money, the big money boys won’t get those cush deals from stressed state and local governments.
The public is being shell gamed.
Another piece of the puzzle?
February 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pmSo he’s basically saying he is willing to see this country thrown into a Depression and millions of people sink into poverty all to keep health care a privilege and not a right in this country.
This man is pure evil. There’s a special place in hell awaiting him.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pmIf a free society can not help the many that are poor, it can not save the few who are rich- John F. Kennedy
February 4th, 2009 at 1:05 pm.
So these “failure” hopefuls are hoping Obama’s policies fails because they care about America?
I never once hoped Bush would fail…
… He did that well enough for himself!
I always hoped Bush would do the right thing…
… And when he didn’t and broke the law I urged for accountability.
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February 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pmNot to put too fine a point on it, America has been in a state of civil war ever since the Republicans stole the 2000 election.
Of course the Republicans were almost certainly too stupid to know how badly they screwed up. But, whether they knew it or not, stealing a Presidential election is not a dirty trick or a political ploy. It is an act of war.
We may be able to settle this thing without bloodshed. But I don’t see how we can continue to tolerate these people and survive as a nation. It remains to be seen whether America can even survive the Bush II Presidency.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:44 pmThese guys take their lead from Maoist revolutionaries: make things so bad that the entire system collapses, then be in position to replace it with one of your own design.
Call it Disaster Capitalism if you like, but I think it’s more like neo-feudalism – rule by wealth.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pmI’d like to know what brand health insurance plan Kristol has, what it costs, and what it covers, and who pays for it?
Then, switch him to a Brand X plan, raise the price 50%, take away a lot of the benefits, and make him pay it all himself.
We’ll see how seriously he is against tax-based health care.
What a PIG. Hopefully the Repugs will observe that he is wrong about everything, and ignore his “advice”.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:06 pmAmerica, this is your repuglican party in action. Forget health care, forget jobs, stop it all and create a ruin. Maybe we’ll be able to parlay disaster into victory for the reichwing. Bill Kristol has his, so screw you.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pmThere must be a fantasyland aspect to being in government and the Mainstream Media. It is my hope that the anxiety, worry, panic, sleepless nights,hunger, sense of dread and sadness that accompanies a loss of income comes home to roost on every Republican and Democrat, CEO and lobbyist who have wrecked this country. I don’t want them to die. I want them to be tormented the way their damnable venality-based decisions have tormented the American people.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pm30. Mathazar Says:
I believe most Americans have finally figured out that
the only way health insurance will be reformed is through the
democrats. What solutions do the GOP have ?
Mathazar, if the poor die off, the problem is solved, is it not ?
Now they’d better do so quickly and help decrease the surplus population (not to mention decrease in greenhouse gases generated from heating their homes).
February 4th, 2009 at 2:54 pmStill, even thou we have Dem control the obstructionist party is allowed to dominate corporate media as an infomercial for corporate so called health care.
The only way to reform health care is to eliminate the corporate greedy health insurance companies that dictate to physicians how to practice medicine, refuse coverage to those with pre existing health care problems and find ways to not cover those they accept into their insurance pool.
18,000 to 40,000 DIE each year from lack of access to health care.
This is not health care…
February 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I don’t think Republicans should be obstructionists, but it is a lot of money:
http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/bailout-costs-more-t.html
Maybe it needs to get done, but if you look at the costs, it seems like we are in uncharted territory.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:33 pmSo what is the Republican Health Care plan???
If Billy boy is giving his expertise about health care (a non position position)like he did to “validate” the invasion of Iraq (using dubious “sources”), we are really screwed!!!!
February 4th, 2009 at 4:38 pm“Lose their credibility” how? If everything isn’t peaches withing a week of the bill passing?
February 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pmMore drivvel from the Hope America Fails Crowd (HAFC). These guys should start facing some of the heat the Dixie Chicks faced when they practiced their right to free speech. After hoardes of death threats, I think Bush said something along the lines of people having the right to free speech, but not being able to control the response that the public has.
Time for these HAFC types to either leave the stage or face the hook. But if left in the hands of corporate media, they will remain front and center, as though the American People’s decision last November never happened.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pmGood ‘ol landslide Kristol. When has this guy ever been right? He needs to take himself less seriously.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pmdrew3rd Says:
Exactly. I am glad to see Billy say this. Since he hasnt been right about a single thing other than his name for about 8 years it bodes well for Dems
February 4th, 2009 at 9:03 pm53. Perry logan says- Not to put too fine a point
on it, America has been in a state of civil war ever
since the Republicans stole the 2000 election.
I agree. It looks also like a class war (and boy, do
they hate to hear those words!) Why, I wonder? The
truth hurts. Especially when they’re trying to hide it.
It’s a civil war between classes.
This makes them traitors. Back in 1994, Newt Gingrich
and his pals wrote a little thing called “The Contract
With America.” I heard people say it was more like a
contract ON America. Then there’s the Project For A
New American Century or PNAC. Google it. I think Billy
Kristol’s name is on it. Names of members are at the
bottom, so scroll down.
hanshiro’s advice is good, about becoming self-suffic-
ient. I’m having to move back into my car in order to
pay for it, and I’m going down to Arizona in case I
have to run for the border. Canada requires a certain
minimum income to emigrate there, but Mexico doesn’t. I I’ve have never been out of the U.S. and won’t go if I don’t
have to. I have other reasons for moving to Arizona
and one is because there is fairly cheap land in east
central Arizona.
I tried to go to bed a little while ago, but couldn’t
February 6th, 2009 at 4:31 amsleep. This mess has got me upset.
of the U.S. and won’t go unless I have to.