Bush doesn’t care about black people (indicated at http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2008/12/andrew-yu-jen-wang-responds-to-stokely.html — check this out).

Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993

“GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” BLOG OF ANDREW YU-JEN WANG

ONLINE ANTI-BUSH SCHOLASTIC RESEARCH: LISTING OF MAJOR ISSUES

http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2008/10/bush-is-worst-president-in-american.html

More than the humorless tool bags who love to hate on faith can imagine.

(a ruple per microcubit) ;)

how much?
;)

You know you’re right.

Obama is just like Pat Robertson.

By the end of the year you can expect evolution to be outlawed, abortion punished by public hangings, witchs to be thrown into lakes, gays to be deported to mexico, mass burning of atheists, posoining of jews, a bounty put out on harry potter, legal requirement of your attending whatever church you hate the most, and the illegalization of dance.

Either way nice to see you. Hope you/s are well…

http://www.christianethicstoday.com/issue/003/Wallbuilders%20or%20Mythbuilders%20By%20Nicholas%20P%20Miller_003_17_.htm

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/founding.htm

Try REAL history not revisionist history

Nonetheless, David Barton’s http://www.wallbuilders.com is excellent.

WallBuilders’ founder and president, David Barton, resides in Aledo, Texas (just west of Fort Worth), with his wife, Cheryl, and their three children. David spent eight years as an educator and school administrator before founding WallBuilders. He has received numerous awards including several Who’s Who honors, two Angel Awards for excellence in media, and the George Washington Honor Medal. He has spoken to numerous state legislatures, consulted with both state and federal legislators on various bills, and has written amicus briefs in cases at the U. S. Supreme Court.

bit especially likes these two web pages.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=126

Unconfirmed Quotations

On this page Barton explains the extreme efforts he makes to insure the accuracy of quotes.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755

A Few Declarations of Founding Fathers and Early Statesmen on Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible

Since Jefferson, who was not a signer of the U.S. Constitution, was neither the most important founder nor the only one, there are numerous quotes from founders who may be new to you.

For example,
Benjamin Rush

The Gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations! . . . My only hope of salvation is in the infinite tran¬scendent love of God manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the Cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins [Acts 22:16]. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come quickly! [Revelation 22:20]

bit counts 52 names of founders and other influential men on this webpage Including TJ…

The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man.64

The practice of morality being necessary for the well being of society, He [God] has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral principles of Jesus and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in His discourses.65

I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others.66

I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.67

These men were real, conflicted individuals who had seen the greatest story ever told – Christianity – abused by power seekers. (Sounds like bit to bit.) What they had to say about the abuse of faith has nothing to do with whether or not Christianity will be important in the continuance of the USA. bit believes this faith is critical to the survival of th US.

All quotes have references.

David Barton cares about the future of the U.S.

What you mean is let Bit just spew out his delusional fantasies because he is brainwashed and not too bright

You are just brainwashed and see what you WANT to see. John Qunicy Adams also REFUSED to take his oath on the bible because he was comitted to the seperation of Church and state. So you keep SAYING that they just assumed Christianity would be THE religion to you its dogma but I see no evidence this is true and since MANY of the founding fathers were Deists and NOT Christians per say then it doesnt really make sense.

I love the way you CROPPED the Jefferson quote you left out the first part where he prefaces that by saying he assumes the clerics think he is hostile to them and they should. Now either you are ignorant or dishonest. Either works for the rest of the stupid bilge you posted here

Your Supreme Court Trinity quote is WRONG. This is another inaccurate statement from David Barton, and he has admitted that this quote appears nowhere in the TRINITY v. UNITED STATES case.

http://www.atheists.org/Inaccurate_Founding_Father_Quotes

I am guessing a whole bunch of your quotes come from that hack Barton who just flat lies to make his point the people who said THESE things were all about seperating Churh and State

“…Of all the nonsense and delusion which had ever passed through the mind of man, none had ever been more extravagant than the notions of absolutions, indelible characters, uninterrupted successions, and the rest of those fantastical ideas derived from the canon law; which has thrown a glare of mystery, sanctity, reverence, and right reverend eminence and holiness around the idea of a priest such that no mortal could deserve.”…John Adams

Benjamin Franklin

“If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both there (England) and in New England.”— Benjamin Franklin

Lighthouses are more useful than Churches

John Adams

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?” — John Adams, letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved–the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!” — John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson

“The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.” — John Adams, letter to John Taylor

HERE by the way is the FULL Jefferson quote you dishonestly tried to make into an argument that Jefferson would be against a seperation of church and state.

“The clergy…believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.” –Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800.

“In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot … they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose.” — Thomas Jefferson, to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

“Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.” — Thomas Jefferson, from “Notes on Virginia”

“Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787

“It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests.” — Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1803

“But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State.” — Thomas Jefferson to S. Kercheval, 1810

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.” — Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

“On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.” — Thomas Jefferson to Carey, 1816

James Madison

“What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.” — James Madison, “A Memorial and Remonstrance”, 1785

“Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.” — James Madison, “A Memorial and Remonstrance”, 1785

Give it up your dishonest quotes the ones that dont exist you claim like the Trinity claim that Barton ADMITTED didnt exist. Your having to CROP quotes to make your point. Ya got nothin. I have shredded you on this subject before. You either dont know what you are talking about or are a flat out liar.

These are not concepts espoused by modern christianity.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

Allow bit to summarize even more succinctly with a common Evangelical adage.

No God. No Justice.

In your zealousness to pick out and highlight every time the word “God” is uttered, you have not comprehended what Jefferson is actually saying.
Let me highlight those words for you…
Freedom Liberty Justice Free Mind

These are not concepts espoused by modern christianity.

It appears that the First Amendment was written with the expectation that the predominant religion was and would remain Christianity. The lack of religious test makes sense because there was no expectation that anyone but a Christian would hold office.

Not convinced? Check many of the early state constitutions – MA would be a good example, note the purpose of HarvardU – or other state government documents that required the office holders to affirm that they were Christian.

The Treaty of Tripoli which said DIRECTLY that “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,

JAdams, who signed this treaty, said a year later in a speech, ”

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion…. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

Adams, John (1850-1856), The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, ed. Charles Adams (Boston, MA: Little, Brown, & Company).

That morality and religion are necessary to the success of the nation is a common theme among the founders.

Several early state supreme courts made rulings on the idea that the US is a Christian nation.

People v. Ruggles, 8 Johns. 290 (N.Y. 1811).

Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 143 U.S. 457; 12 S. Ct. 511; 36 L. Ed. 226; 1892 U.S. LEXIS 2036.

“These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation” (Church of the…,

United States v. Macintosh, 283 U.S. 605; 51 S. Ct. 570; 75 L. Ed. 1302; 1931 U.S. LEXIS 170.

“We are a Christian people…according to one another the equal right of religious freedom, and acknowledging with reverence the duty of obedience to the will of God”.

From the day of the Declaration, the people of the North American Union and of its constituent states were associated bodies of civilized men and Christians…. They were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct (1821, p. 28, emp. added).

One really has to want not to see the obvious in order overlook Christianity in the history of the US.

The sixth president of US, John Quincy Adams(son of John Adams second president), made the following quotes:

From the day of the Declaration, the people of the North American Union and of its constituent states were associated bodies of civilized men and Christians…. They were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct.

Adams, John Quincy (1821), Address Delivered at the Request of the Committee of Arrangements for Celebrating the Anniversary of Independence at the City of Washington on the Fourth of July 1821, Upon the Occasion of the Reading the Declaration of Independence (Cambridge: Hilliard and Metcalf).

The Declaration of Independence cast off all the shackles of this [British] dependency. The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians .

Adams, John Quincy (1837), An Oration Delivered Before the Inhabitants of the Town of Newburyport, at Their Request, on the Sixty-first Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4th, 1837 (Newburyport: Charles Whipple).

The Jefferson Memorial contains engravings from some of Jefferson’s works, including numerous references to the God of the Bible:

Wow. From the TJ memorial…

I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

Almighty God hath created the mind free...All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens…are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion… I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively.

God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Holy Author of our religion Do you wonder who TJ is talking about? bit doesn’t.

The gay people, minorities and women of this country can all tell bit about the oppression of religion on them.

The Constitution of the U.S. was not written to support, endorse, or encourage immorality, especially licentiousness(.

Morality is not exclusive to religion much less Christianity neither is religion exclusive to Christianity and everyone is entitled to THEIR OPINION but it is NOT constitutionally correct to say religion is necessary for government. It is CLEAR that the founding fathers didnt want religion within a country mile of government. They KNEW the history of Europe and how religious wars washed the continent in blood. I am all for religion. Have one of my own. I am all for free expression thereof. Just keep it out of government like the first amendment says DIRECTLY and the Constitution makes clear with the no religious test for office clause.

This, in essences, is what bit has posted numerous times. The US is nation for a Christian people. This US is not a Christian nation, especially since Christian is a characteristic of people. However, many people believe the US is a Christian nation, and not all of the people live in the US.

Morality and religion are mentioned by several of the founders as being necessary for the success of the nation.

I missed the last bit of extreme stupidity. How about the clause that said there would be NO religious test for office? The Treaty of Tripoli which said DIRECTLY that “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen”

Why even bring that up unless you are trying to weasel in the really stupid claim Obama is a Muslim. You really are an ignorant piece of work bit