Krugman: How Can There Be Bipartisanship When GOP ‘Take Their Marching Orders From Rush Limbaugh?’
Krugman: How Can There Be Bipartisanship When GOP ‘Take Their Marching Orders From Rush Limbaugh?’
Today on MSNBC, the Morning Joe team — many of whom have been having a tough time with the facts of the economic recovery plan — hosted Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman to discuss the bill. Krugman began by emphasizing the severity of the current economic crisis. “This is not your father’s recession,” Krugman said. “This is your grandfather’s recession. This is something that is closer to what we went through in the 30s.”
Krugman criticized opposition to the “pork” in the recovery plan, calling the obstruction “irresponsible” and “ludicrous.” He noted that it’s “a few billion dollars in a $900 billion plan. …They’re picking out small punctuation errors and saying ‘oh this whole thing is wrong.’” Krugman added, “This is the kind of situation where you try to build a bridge across an economic chasm and if you build half a bridge it doesn’t work.”
Yesterday, the Senate defeated (but most Republicans voted in favor of) an alternative plan offered by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) that centered mainly on massive tax cuts. Krugman called the plan “completely crazy” and an indication of a failure of bipartisanship:
KRUGMAN: Look at what just happened, we had a proposal I think it was McCain’s proposal for an economic recovery package, his version of it which was all tax cuts, a complete, let’s do exactly what Bush did, have another round of Bush-style policies. After eight years which that didn’t work and we got 36 out of 41 Republican senators voting for that which is completely crazy. So how much bipartisan outreach can you have when 36 out of 41 republican senators take their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh?
Watch it:
Later in the interview, Krugman advised President Obama to “disregard” the GOP’s knee-jerk reaction to cut taxes. “At this point we have a Republican Party that, except for a few members, is committed to just doing more what we did during the last eight years. Obama has to disregard that.”
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Go Mr. Krugman! Tax cuts for the rich don’t work. Let’s get going on this economy. The Republicans want to obstruct every idea Obama has, and they have none, except for the darn tax cuts. It hasn’t worked for the last eight years, and it won’t work now. I contacted my senators and representatives this morning, please do it for yours if you have the time.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:34 pmAnd where is Limpballs lately? From what I understand Americans don’t like him. Only Ditto-heads follow Rushie. Yeah, hopefully of a cliff!
February 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pmThe only question is, will sane voices prevail, or will the Dems somehow fold again like a cheap, used, dirty suit?
Why is the GOP still running, and ruining, the show?
So much for that bipartisan thingy, President Obama. Time to move on without them.
PEACE
February 6th, 2009 at 12:38 pmWhat’s with all that talk of rush limpballs lateley?
Is the GOP really taking marching orders from him?
Are they that stupid?
February 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pmLimbaugh couldn’t be reached for a comment because he is off the air this week getting a face or a fat lift.
¶ AIO
February 6th, 2009 at 12:41 pmThe Republican bill shows Corporafornicators remain in our hallowed halls.
The global race toward the lowest common denominator on taxes and worker pay/benefits continues.
Remain wary!
February 6th, 2009 at 12:42 pmWAY TO GO KRUGMAN! Nuff said ~ Repugnant Republicans stand aside, get out of the way and let President Obama go to work for America! Senator McCain ~ go straight to the retirement home!
February 6th, 2009 at 12:44 pmcd Says:
Is the GOP really taking marching orders from him?
Are they that stupid?
Yes. And yes.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm…..and don’t be fooled into thinking that Limbaugh has 20 million ‘Dittoheads’, I listen to that bloated moron almost everyday; Hannity too; you have to know what the propagandists are lying about.
¶ AIO
February 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pmMaybe Obama and Democrats need to give up on bipartisanship and do what they want. They won the election. If they can stay unified, that’s their prerogative.
But, the idea that you could have a mixed bill of spending and tax cuts, doesn’t sound crazy to me.
Get some republicans on board with a minority of money going to tax cuts, while the majority of money goes to infrastructure spending (energy, roads, bridges, etc) to help spur the economy.
And eliminate the pork that has little or nothing to do with economic stimulus.
I think that eventually, that’s what the bill will look like.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pmbackup Says:
Get some republicans on board…
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“Get some Republicans”????
Which ones??? The big, fat “0″ that voted for this in the House?
Unless I’m mistaken, and I’m usually not… haven’t the GOOPers pretty much stated their main agenda is to simply F()ck up everything and anything Obama and the Dems want to do, PERIOD?
Why else would Sessions be comparing the GOOP to the Taliban, or Rush be hoping Obama just flat out fails, or Cheney be talking about the likelihood of more terrorist attacks? I am STUNNED at the inanity of the GOOPers’ public utterings of late.
As someone over at Balloon Juice said so well, how do you have bipartisanship when one of the two parties is INSANE?
February 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pm“At this point we have a Republican Party that, except for a few members, is committed to just doing more what we did during the last eight years. Obama has to disregard that.”
The problem is most Republican legislators are suffering from Bush Syndrome: an inability to acknowledge their mistakes, even to themselves, and to prove they were right all along they insist on doing more of what they did to create the mess in the first place. See, it isn’t that what we did was wrong. It’s that those “obstructionist Democrats” wouldn’t let us do enough of it.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:54 pmbackup Says:
But, the idea that you could have a mixed bill of spending and tax cuts, doesn’t sound crazy to me.
Get some republicans on board with a minority of money going to tax cuts, while the majority of money goes to infrastructure spending (energy, roads, bridges, etc) to help spur the economy.
Huh. That’s exactly what the Republicans voted on and exactly what they voted against, 100%. Where have you been, backup?
They’re not voting for anything that isn’t mostly tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy. It’s all they know.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pmDRAFT PAUL KRUGMAN
February 6th, 2009 at 12:55 pmRight on! Paul.
On a related topic, I am sick of hearing TV anchors exagerate ther pronuciation everytime they say the size of the stimulus package. Sure it is a lot of money. But many economist (including Krugman) think that it is still too small. Everytime an anchor overemphasizes the number it is like they are saying it is sooooo big, you should automatically be against it.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:57 pmC’mon trolls – what have got for this one?
Please, come and extol the virtues of McCain’s idiotic tax-cut only plan the morons in the Greedy Obstructionist Party voted on the other day.
Thank goodness McCain came no where NEAR the attaining the Presidency.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pmpoliticscorner Says:
Right on! Paul.
On a related topic, I am sick of hearing TV anchors exagerate ther pronuciation everytime they say the size of the stimulus package. Sure it is a lot of money. But many economist (including Krugman) think that it is still too small. Everytime an anchor overemphasizes the number it is like they are saying it is sooooo big, you should automatically be against it.
Yea, expescially when they were “covering” the Repugs objection to $335 million towards STD prevention. $335 MILLION!!! is 0.03% of $850 billion…
February 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pmGotta love Paul Krugman. He calls it like he sees it.
February 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pmKURGMAN GETS IT!! Rush Limbaugh has a 21% approval rating!!!
Tie the GOP around ANOTHER unpopular bloated bastard and watch them squirm!!
February 6th, 2009 at 12:59 pmalphainfinityomega Says:
…..and don’t be fooled into thinking that Limbaugh has 20 million‘Dittoheads’…
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I’ve wondered for quite a while now if those numbers are deliberately inflated… well… just like Rush is. It’s like those absurd “conservative best sellers” on the NY Times book lists. They’re only there because right wing think tanks buy them in bulk w/ that and that alone in mind – to make it look like a whole lot of people are actually “reading them”.
Ever try to read an Ann Coulter book? I did… once.
ibid… ibid… ibid… ibid… ibid… ibid… I was sick for weeks afterwards.
It was incoherent gibberish. Amazingly, appallingly bad stuff.
I wonder if Rush or Hannity actually get the kind of money they claim they do, or is this just another attempt at making them look like the leaders of a political movement too powerful too oppose?
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I listen to that bloated moron almost everyday; Hannity too; you have to know what the propagandists are lying about.
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Yep… yer totally right about that.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pmRepublic and gummitch. Okay, Republicans are obstructionists. But the reality of the situation is that Democrats need to either get unified or they will need some Republicans.
If they can’t get unified and need some Republicans, it seems like a mix of infrastructure spending and tax cuts; without the pork, seems like the answer.
Some compromise will happen.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pmgummitch Says:
backup Says:
But, the idea that you could have a mixed bill of spending and tax cuts, doesn’t sound crazy to me.
Get some republicans on board with a minority of money going to tax cuts, while the majority of money goes to infrastructure spending (energy, roads, bridges, etc) to help spur the economy.
Huh. That’s exactly what the Republicans voted on and exactly what they voted against, 100%. Where have you been, backup?
backup has been slow following the developments of this situation. There have been many overtures by Obama to be bi-partisan. At the onset, a lot of R’s indicated they were on board with the bill. Rush and Boner told them not so fast, and they were back to goose-stepping for corporate welfare.
It is asinine of you to take on some Holier-than-thou tone when discussing this. The Repugs are being obstructionists. Concessions have already been made. They need to stop dragging there feet while the country’s economy hangs in the balance. You need to stop pretending that if the bill was MORE bi-partisan (read: more partisan in the Repugs favor) that it would fly through the halls of Congress and land on Obama desk wrapped with a bow. It is so lame and disingenuous when you make arguments like the one above.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pmTweedster Says:
Yea, expescially when they were “covering” the Repugs objection to $335 million towards STD prevention. $335 MILLION!!! is 0.03% of $850 billion…
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Yeah… given the GOOPers’ endless propensity for sex with children…
http://www.stinque.com/2009/01/28/gop-brain-trust-universitys-law-school-dean-pleads-guilty-of-child-sex-abuse/
GOP Brain-Trust University’s Law School Dean Pleads Guilty to Child Sex Abuse
“McPherson pleaded guilty to two counts of forcible sodomy and two counts of object sexual penetration. His wife, Melina Ann McPherson, 37, “also was indicted on a charge of indecent liberties while in a custodial or supervisory role,” the local rag reported.”
February 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pmbackup Says:
Republic and gummitch. Okay, Republicans are obstructionists. But the reality of the situation is that Democrats need to either get unified or they will need some Republicans
Unified or no, they still only have 58 votes if Kennedy can make it. You’re making things up to try and obfuscate the fact that the Republicans would vote down the party line no matter what – as they have proven up until now.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pmThere is no pork dumbass. Quit mirroring rush to us. do you think we haven’t heard this bullshit before?
It’s a spending bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Designed to stimulate the economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s not open to negotiation of the gop agenda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The gop will lose this battle in the long run even if they win it in the short run.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:06 pmKrugman Rocks!
It’s not a “Restore Bipartisanship and Singalong Kumbayah Bill”
You can’t dance with people who will knee you in the groin. Stop coddling the Republicans and treat them like the misbehaving adolescents they are.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pmbackup: you seem like you’re being quite reasonable here. However, like tweedster said, obama came out of the gate with a FULL-ON BI-PARTISAN approach. The republicans made nicey, concessions were made to the ORIGINAL bill (removing some, adding some — like a concession), and THEN they ALL voted “no”. That is a clear stab in the back. The republicans in politics (not necdessarily YOU) have made it clear BOTH in word AND deed that they will obstruct at all costs, because to them this is ALL about polical manuvering and power-play.
Compromise has been offered and the republicans rejected it.
But, could you define this “pork” that is IN the current bill that you believe needs to be cut? I’m curious, as that is such a broad statement (and one man’s pork is another man’s steak. That term is, pretty much, relative to the speaker. So, what FOR YOU in this bill represents pork? Just curious.)
Have another cookie…..
February 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pmTRoS:
Of course those numbers are inflated, because they are coming from two of the biggest liars in America.
Suffice it to say, at least 1/4 or their listeners are the opposition, but, of course, they rarely get air time and if they do they are summarily talked over and cut off.
¶ AIO
February 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pmbackup Says:
Some compromise will happen.
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For compromise to happen, some of the GOOPers will have to come to their senses and bolt the pack.
The GOOPer leadership has publicly made it clear. They’re not interested in what’s right for the country. They’re not interested in sharing power or bipartisanship.
THEY WANT TO F()CK OBAMA UP AT ALL COSTS, HOPING IT PUTS THEM BACK INTO POWER IN 4 YEARS. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
THAT’S ALL – ALL – ALL THEY’RE INTERESTED IN.
You keep trying to make it sound like the Dems are being the unreasonable ones here. Are we – the entire country – supposed to be beholden to a group of hard-core ideological cranks whose policies got us into this mess?
ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE VICIOUS NINNIES HAVE ALREADY MADE IT STONE CLEAR THEY CARE NOT A WHIT FOR THE WELL BEING OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pmFred Says:
backup Says:
And eliminate the pork that has little or nothing to do with economic stimulus.
“ehhehehehheh…he said PORK! ehehhehehheh….”
Why GWB enjoyed watching McCain during the election – it always gives him a case of the giggles when someone says PORK.
backup, do you know who the KING of PORK was??? Dwight D. Eisenhower. THE last good Republican President.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pmKrugman is an opinion columnist, nothing more, nothing less. Just because he thinks a political party takes its marching orders from a particular pundit doesn’t make it so. It’s called stating an opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
Now, if you want facts to support whether a person is advocating a particular pundit’s agenda, look no further than to Obama’s spendulus package, as drafted by Pelosi. She represents a very small segment of the U.S. population in San Francisco, CA and almost wholly authored the wasteful spending package (yes, Obama last night admitted that it is a spending package, not a stimulus package!) that will cause more economic damage than FDR caused with his failed “New Deal” policies.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pmGreat post and good that Krugman is speaking out. Unfortunately, the lying liars will continue to marginalize him the best they can.
According to recent polls, across ALL Americans, rush limpballs is very unpopular – an approval rating of only 28 percent – almost as low as historically unpopular dur chimpfurher.
Just the fact he dominates “drive time” talk radio is proof that free markets don’t exist in the MSM. The global corporations that now control the public airwaves (and most printing presses) don’t give a damn about “supply and demand”.
They see their media assets as more valuable “catapulting the propaganda” than providing programing that the public actually supports.
This will not end until we use Web-based connectivity to organize boycotts of each and every company that sponsors this airbag.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pmalphainfinityomega Says:
TRoS:
Of course those numbers are inflated, because they are coming from two of the biggest liars in America.
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I’ve never been able to find it again, but one night, just for my own edification, I went looking at radio talk show ratings. One of the rating services – maybe Arbitron? – was actually putting on seminars in conjunction w/ the Heritage Foundation.
THUNK…. (loud noise…) So much for the ‘objectivity’ of those ratings…
February 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pmDear backup:
You are much, much too naive. Negotiate with Republicans?
It can’t be done.
You cannot negotiate with a rabid dog. You must put it down before it bites someone. Nor can you negotiate with a two year old red-faced and screaming “NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!”
February 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
backup Says:
Some compromise will happen.
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You keep trying to make it sound like the Dems are being the unreasonable ones here. Are we – the entire country – supposed to be beholden to a group of hard-core ideological cranks whose policies got us into this mess?
This is what is so annoying about backup. His concern troll sensibilities are so good at blindly ignoring all evidence to the contrary and blaming Dems.
“Hey, you know if my wife knew how to listen, I wouldn’t beat her so often.” THAT right there is what your rationalizations sound like backup.
WEAK SAUCE.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pmTweedster Says:
Actually, you’re wrong. It was a Democrat, FDR. Go back to your textbooks young lady!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pmWhat’s all the fuss about pork? I understand it when the economy is doing well and it’s just added in for additional votes. But in a jobs bill, what is pork? Let’s just give the states 1B each to spend on any jobs program they like (along with the rest of the bill), is that still considered pork?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pmWhat’s wrong with fixing the national mall. Why is that pork, it sounds like part of a jobs program.
The problem with republicans is they don’t know what a real job is. They don’t like creating them and they don’t like working them. They don’t like unions, or healthcare, or anyone with a college education.
If they keep standing in the way of saving this country I say we should throw them down the steps of the state house and change the locks. Really, that’s the least we should do.
I’d also like to request that John McCain get off my teevee. You lost the election dude.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
February 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pmJT Says:
Tweedster Says:
backup, do you know who the KING of PORK was??? Dwight D. Eisenhower. THE last good Republican President.
Actually, you’re wrong. It was a Democrat, FDR. Go back to your textbooks young lady!
Get a clue jagoff…
The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, popularly known as the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act (Public Law 84-627), was enacted on June 29, 1956, when Dwight D. Eisenhower signed this bill into law. Appropriating $25 billion for the construction of 41,000 miles (66,000 km) of interstate highways over a 20-year period, it was the largest public works project in American history to that point.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pmJT Says:
Krugman is an opinion columnist, nothing more, nothing less.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Another troll demonstrates that he is a complete imbecile.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pmJT, do you actually believe what you write or do you just echo repug talking points? Of course it’s a spending bill; you need to spend to get the money moving in the economy. The repugs have zero interest in saving the country; they are following their leadership (rushbo) into ruining the country so the big monied interests can become more firmly established and the workers have no rights.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pmJT Says:
Actually, you’re wrong. It was a Democrat, FDR. Go back to your textbooks young lady!
Clearly Eisenhower outspent Roosevelt overall, provided we’re excluding WWII. Of course we take the highway system so much for granted these days that it’s hard to imagine just how different the world was before it. In fact, it’d be pretty easy to argue that the overall American economy for the latter 20th Century was largely a result of that infrastructure initiative – car culture, mass transportation of goods, a networked country with major cities everywhere… all because of Ike.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pmJT Says:
(yes, Obama last night admitted that it is a spending package, not a stimulus package!)
You, sir (and I use that term loosely) are not too bright. Define, specifically, how to present an “economic stimulus package” that does NOT involve spending? How is that? And the actual name of the bill has NEVER EVER had “stimulus” in it: it has ALWAYS been “the economic RECOVERY package”. So, what is your hard on about “stimulus”? Why do YOU want to refer to this as a stimulus bill when it is a RECOVERY bill? Hmmmmm?
Oh… I see, now. The lie about the “New Deal”? O.k. You take your orders from Limbaugh, as you lick his toes, begging to be allowed to go higher. You are the proverbial “dittohead”, who is proud of his status as “dittohead”.
YOU are not a part of the solution — YOU are part of the PROBLEM.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pmZooey Says:
JT Says:
Krugman is an opinion columnist, nothing more, nothing less.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Another troll demonstrates that he is a complete imbecile.
You forgot coward. Imbecile AND coward.
C’mon JT, you waste of space – let’s debate the economy and history.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pmHere’s a little sumpin fer all tha trolls who keep trying to equate Botch & Cheney’s “mushroom cloud” fear-mongering w/ Obama’s push for quick action on the stimulus bill…
From the NY Times…
Economy Shed 598,000 Jobs in January – Rate Rises to 7.6%, More Than Forecast
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS 50 minutes ago
Job losses were once again spread across both manufacturing and services industries, reinforcing the picture of an economy contracting at its fastest pace in decades.
http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/business/economy/07jobs.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26hp&OP=45c73926Q2Fk2@ik-53,Z55Q7DtktVVCkVtkVQ3BkiQ7B,Yw@,,k@35w58mkVQ3BQ3C5i,DgQ7D8b
February 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pmCageyCretin Says:
JT Says:
(yes, Obama last night admitted that it is a spending package, not a stimulus package!)
stimulus: something that rouses or incites to activity: as a: incentive b: stimulant 1 c: an agent (as an environmental change) that directly influences the activity of a living organism or one of its parts (as by exciting a sensory organ or evoking muscular contraction or glandular secretion)
In an ECONOMY the only thing AROUSING ACTIVITY IS MONEY. translation: WE NEED TO SPEND TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY.
You are dense.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pmThere is a very interesting NYT article about Japan’s stimulus bill and how it worked and didn’t work.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
All these fit’s of temper and crazy reich winged speeche’s are just their way of trying to get back in control…Their way was how we got to this mess….Keep it up nut job’s and before ya know it there will be million’s of pitch fork’s marching on the repuke’s in washington…There is only so much of million’s going to bad war’s and stock market whore’s the public will take when they have no home’s, job’s and food..Blessings
February 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pmThe American public is watching. Our trolls always reach far back in history to find some small, insignificant dribble of fact to support their present day ideas (FDR bad, Roosevelt good – crap like that). Problem is this crisis is unique to these times and these issues – not ones dealt with 50 years ago. I know the GOp is morally bankrupt and out of ideas, but certainly they don’t want the economy to tank, do they?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pmActually it was gw bush…….hands down!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pmFred. If you don’t need the GOP, just pass what you want. If it works and it’s well communicated, Republicans will be in a bigger hole than they already are. There is some jeopardy on both sides of this.
And are progressives here denying that many of the constituents of the ‘obstructionists’ are opposed to the bill. Are they merely obstructionists, if they are considering the will of the people that sent them to Washington?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pmElBruce -
Clearly Eisenhower outspent Roosevelt overall, provided we’re excluding WWII. Of course we take the highway system so much for granted these days that it’s hard to imagine just how different the world was before it. In fact, it’d be pretty easy to argue that the overall American economy for the latter 20th Century was largely a result of that infrastructure initiative – car culture, mass transportation of goods, a networked country with major cities everywhere… all because of Ike.
Seriously, how was that stimulative?
/snark
February 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pmTweedster Says:
Zooey Says:
JT Says:
Krugman is an opinion columnist, nothing more, nothing less.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Another troll demonstrates that he is a complete imbecile.
You forgot coward. Imbecile AND coward.
C’mon JT, you waste of space – let’s debate the economy and history.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Oh my, that WAS a serious lapse. My bad!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:30 pmgummitch. I have heard that Japan’s construction push didn’t solve their problems. That’s a good point. Obviously, it doesn’t mean that a different approach would have been successful, but, it’s still good information that an over reliance on infrastructure improvements (especially, if they aren’t necessary improvements) may not do the trick.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pmJT Says:
Krugman is an opinion columnist, nothing more, nothing less. Just because he thinks a political party takes its marching orders from a particular pundit doesn’t make it so.
Well, when actual elected officials, given the opportunity to distance themselves from his statements, are forced to praise him, and the one who didn’t ended up being forced to go on his show to apologize profusely, I’d call that factual evidence.
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JT Says:
Now, if you want facts to support whether a person is advocating a particular pundit’s agenda, look no further than to Obama’s spendulus package … (yes, Obama last night admitted that it is a spending package, not a stimulus package!)
Everybody knew the whole time that the whole point of the bill was boosting government spending. Where were you?
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JT Says:
that will cause more economic damage than FDR caused with his failed “New Deal” policies.
Damage… you mean like how we were in a depression and then we weren’t? I don’t view that as “damage,” though I’m sure there are some robber barons who did.
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JT Says:
…as drafted by Pelosi. She represents a very small segment of the U.S. population in San Francisco, CA and almost wholly authored the wasteful spending package…
You seem to have a problem with the way the House is structured, in that it gives one district representative a lot of power. Well don’t whine to me, take it up with the Constitution.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pmJT Says:
Krugman is an opinion columnist, nothing more, nothing less.
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Just an opinion columnist?
From Wiki…
Economics career
Krugman earned his B.A. degree in economics from Yale University in 1974 and his Ph.D. degree from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1977. From 1982 to 1983, he spent a year working at the Reagan White House as a staff member of the Council of Economic Advisers.
He taught at Yale University, MIT, UC Berkeley, the London School of Economics, and Stanford University before joining the faculty of Princeton University in 2000. He is a member of the Group of Thirty international economic body and the Council on Foreign Relations.
When Bill Clinton came into office in 1993, he considered Krugman for a leading post; Krugman was flown out for a meeting in Arkansas. Krugman’s outspokenness was reported to be “the main reason the Clinton administration didn’t offer him a job.”[8]
Krugman says he would not have been interested in such a job; he told Newsweek, “I’m temperamentally unsuited for that kind of role. You have to be very good at people skills, biting your tongue when people say silly things.”[8] In his New York Times blog, Krugman repeated that statement, saying that he was “temperamentally unsuited to politics”.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman#Academic_contributions
Hmmmm… I would think Krugman’s “opinions” on economics are prolly more valid than, oh say… Joe the Plumber… or El Rushbo… or almost any other hot air specialist linked to the GOOP at this point, sonny.
Or m’am, as the case may be…
February 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pmPaul Krugman is an opinion columnist who also happens to be a professor of economics at Princeton and can substantiate his positions. Rush is an opinionated, pus-gut drug addict who likes little brown boys.
Guess which one gets the rim job from JT?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pmbackup Says:
It’s clear you didn’t read the article, but did you at least read the excerpts? No? Why am I not surprised?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pmbackup Says:
And are progressives here denying that many of the constituents of the ‘obstructionists’ are opposed to the bill. Are they merely obstructionists, if they are considering the will of the people that sent them to Washington?
Where is your proof? How many of the major players orchestrating this for the GOP were recently elected? Why in the heck would the great residents of Mississippi’s 3rd district vote NO in order to gain more tax cuts for corporations?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:35 pmWhat I want to know is what does Obama have against Paul Krugman? I can’t understand why he didn’t put Paul on his new economic advisory Council but he did put quite a few corporate types?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pmLet me fix this for you backup…
backup Says:
gummitch. I have heard that Bush’s tax cuts didn’t solve their problems.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pmnanlichi Says:
Guess which one gets the rim job from JT?
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Geez, nanlichi… I get all scholarly and dignified and go to Wiki and dig up good, solid info on Krugman’s bona fides and bring it back and post it here foro the trolls… and then you come along and post the short version and sideswipe me completely.
So much for the scholarly, dignified approach, huh?
HEY TROLLS… BITE ME!!!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pmThe Senate defeated (but most Republicans voted in favor of) an alternative plan offered by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) that centered mainly on massive tax cuts.
Let’s see, McCain proposes a bill that essentially is McSame as McBush’s administration. McCain proved that he didn’t understand the economy during the campaign, so who wrote this bill for him? My guess is Phil Gramm and cronies…Responsible for legislation that allowed Enron and our current housing problems…
But Last I remember, Obama won because McCain didn’t understand the economy.
Can’t we PLEASE allow Obama to do the job that we elected him to do?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pmJT Says:
that will cause more economic damage than FDR caused with his failed “New Deal” policies.
Jt, How, precisely did the New Deal fail?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pmTweedster Says:
Why in the heck would the great residents of Mississippi’s 3rd district vote NO in order to gain more tax cuts for corporations?
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Well put, Tweedster. What say you, Capt?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pmThe GOP reminds me of a flock of geese…they always fly in V formation or following the leader which in this case seems to be a drug addled gas bag, who has never been elected to anything and barley escaped prison for illegally soliciing perscription drugs.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pmI think some of our trolls might get a clue next month, when we have another 500K jobs lost. After all, it is now beginning to be people we know losing their jobs. I know I have friends being laid off. I imagine even trolls have friends and family. They might get a glimmer of understanding when it affects them personally. These conservative types usually can’t understand anything until it happens to them. Empathy challenged. Emotionally stunted. Deserving more of our pity than rancor.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pmIt’s funny when conservatives come here and state that the Dems need to capitulate to the Repubs (bitartisanship). They have held out a bipartisan hand to the Repubs for years and each and every time all they get back for their effort is a bloody stump. Why don’t honest fiscal conservative voters come down on their own reps and demand that THEY do some f@cking bending for a change? I mean c’mon backup are you kidding or just in denial? You MUST know by now that you CANNOT negotiate with a party like the GOP. They DO NOT BEND! Their attitude is “F@ck the Dems and the rest of the Country who voted them in!” They don’t care about people like you, backup. Open your eyes to reality already, Republicans only care about their Party. That’s it! Not their voters, not their Country! Traitors all!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pmyes and no
You forget how unpopular their ideas are….how convenient that you can’t associate their ideas with the failure that has occurred as a result……
from gallop:
February 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pmrepublicans are the ones who have been pulling down congressional approval. They are less popular than bush!!!!!!
Another Joe Says:
The global corporations that now control the public airwaves (and most printing presses) don’t give a damn about “supply and demand”.
Actually all large corporations have no concern about supply and demand. Thing is, supply and demand only kind-of works, even in the most promising of capitalist free market systems.
If you have only one or two suppliers of a needed commodity, then they control the price. Demand has nothing to do with it. Supply and demand REQUIRES a ROBUST level of real competition to show and effect (the restrictions on what gas stations can charge for the gas they buy from big oil is an example of where there is complete breakdown of the supply and demand system).
For commodities that are essential (such as gas, in oour commuter society, or food, for example), s/d economics really does not apply. You will pay what is asked for gas if you NEED to drive to work. You WILL pay what someone wants for food if you are hungry (and have money). And, you say, THAT is how it works — greater demand and the prices should go up, by the theory. But what lowers the prices on these things? By theory, it requires LESS demand. So, are people to stop eating? Are people to stop driving, or using any form of petrol-motivated transportation, to force the price to lower? Well, those are two instances that are simply NOT possible. There is no way people could get to work in America (who average — what? — 10 miles or more to get to work) without petrol driven transportation (and what options other than that are there?).
The free market capitalism supply and demand economics is NOT the utopian system of economics to be hailed as a God (like the republicnas/conservatives do). It is a system RIFE for abuses by those who get in power. And it IS abused mightily in America today. That is why the right is SO adamant against anything that resembles “socialism” — it could threaten their greedy control over the American markets.
I have YET to hear one — just one — solid argument as to WHAT precisely (specifically) is bad about socialist programs being implemented. That is, of course, because those aginst all things sounding socialist are merely repeating what they have been told to fear. They also ignore that we DO have many socialist programs in place, have been for longer than anyone here has been alive, and they have not ruined this country.
I am rambling all over. I should stop.
Sorry.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pmAnd JT, like I asked goopny, if the New Deal failed, and if Obama’s plan is guaranteed to fail, why isn’t your party gleefully approving the package? And don’t tell me about how we can’t spend money, since you guys blew the bank over the past eight years…
February 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pmTRoS.
Let’s tag team the trolls. You hit them high with the scholarly argument and I will stay down here in the muck.
HEY TROLLS….BITE TROS!!!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pmbackup Says:
And are progressives here denying that many of the constituents of the ‘obstructionists’ are opposed to the bill. Are they merely obstructionists, if they are considering the will of the people that sent them to Washington?
Here are the latest polls on this package. Read them and tell me that all the Republican’t Senators are speaking for their constituents when 53 to 66% of the people in this country support the stimulus.
http://pollingreport.com/budget.htm
Not to mention the fact that most people really don’t know what to think when we have the Republicant’s polluting the well of information and the MSM collaborating with them.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pmmarlow Says:
… since you guys blew the bank over the past eight years…
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They blew more than just the bank, marlow…
February 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pmnanlichi Says:
HEY TROLLS….BITE TROS!!!
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Hey… waitamminite… why do I hafta let ‘em slobber all over me?
Division of labor ‘n all that… fair is fair… blah blah blah…
HEY TROLLS… BIT NANLICHI WHILE YER AT IT!!!!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pmJT Says:
that will cause more economic damage than FDR caused with his failed “New Deal” policies.
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What elementary reader did you get that false information from? Or did the drug addled gas bag tell you that. History books do not say that FDR failed, they say the contrary. I suggest the ignorant trolls go to the library or hell, go to the web and do some investigation. Anyone can make up a lie. You cannot change historical facts. The only negative FDR had was when the GOP convinced him to concentrate on balancing the budget after a couple of years and they stopped the stimulus. Face it, the GOP knows absolutely nothing about government or economics. Look at history.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pmFDR spent a lot of money, but the depression lasted until 1940 and it is assumed that war spending for WWII was the catalyst for economic recovery.
I read a book 6 or 7 years ago about the Kondratieff Wave:
http://www.wikinvest.com/wiki/Kondratieff_Wave
I wish I would have given it more credence, because it seems to have been remarkably prescient. (The prediction was a long term (10-20 year) economic downturn beginning in 2007-2010).
The idea is that economic cycles follow an approximate 70 year cycle.
It’s possible that government spending or more tax cuts aren’t the answer at all.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pmSKdeA Says:
I think some of our trolls might get a clue next month, when we have another 500K jobs lost. After all, it is now beginning to be people we know losing their jobs.
I’m not sure that will work. I don’t even think if the trolls themselves lost their jobs that they would change their minds. They will sit there in poverty dreaming of the day that the Republicant’s will lift him up to the ranks of the rich. A more delusional bunch can not be found.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pmIt’s the latest GOOPer talking point – FDR failed!!!!
They’ve been floating it for several weeks now.
Some right-wing think tank released “a study” that “proved” the New Deal actually slowed the recovery from the Depression. Of course, the wingers latched onto to this as “solid proof” immediately and have been pushing this meme ever since.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pmSome would call this “historical revisionism”… other would call it “magical thinking”… it must be true, because we want it to be.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pmDoing nothing is not the answer. Creating some stimulus is necessary. Borrowing to pay for illegal wars while giving tax cuts to the wealthy failed miserably. Now standing around and arguing that it may fail is not the answer. Do something, even if it turns out wrong. Doing nothing is watching more devestation to the economy.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pmOh, I like this! What an excellent way to paint them into a corner.
Re Japan’s spending, OK, maybe too many hard things like roads and bridges. Especially if the ones they had already were in good condition.
But no one with one eye would look at America’s roads and bridges and think they were OK. We have not spent on our infrastructure in decades. Do we need to have school collapses a la Haiti, before we address the problem?
And regarding “where will we get the money”… um, Iraq? If we got out of Iraq, we will be ROLLING IN IT!
February 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pmNo, it’s a fact that republican economic policies always fail America. When was there not an economic downturn following a republican administration?
You can’t use the global warming deniers speil of cycles being responsible for this either. the gop did it and they own it and Americans know it…….that’s why they are dead as a party.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pmI don’t care if there is “pork” in the stimulus package. That pork will provide food for Americans who otherwise might be struggling to get it.
And I really enjoyed the way Obama took on the criticism that the stimulus package is a bunch of spending by saying “Well, duh” in a more sophisticated manner.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm#11 ectoendomezo Says:
I had my aunt make me a tee shirt that says the following:
She centered the text and added devil styled pitch forks that cross the text. White shirt, black text, red pitch forks.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.
From where I sit: We should be able to track all the wrongs of the GOP beginning with Ronnie Reagan, go completely opposite and get out of this thing in about thirty years. We are suffering from thirty years of having a Bush or Reagan (with the exception of eight years of chasing Clinton for personal matters) in the White House.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pmExcept that the estimated cost of repairing all the infrastructure needed in this country now is $3 trillion. So obviously it’s not the same is it?
February 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pmbackup Says:
FDR spent a lot of money, but the depression lasted until 1940 and it is assumed that war spending for WWII was the catalyst for economic recovery.
We can certainly see where you’re getting your “assumptions”. And, again, it’s obvious you didn’t read the NYT article.
It’s possible that government spending or more tax cuts aren’t the answer at all.
Yeah, it’s probably just phases of the moon, or maybe sunspots.
February 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pmbackup Says:
It’s possible that government spending or more tax cuts aren’t the answer at all.
You’re right!
I’m going to spread cream cheese on my thighs and stuff cheetos up my nose and sit in the middle of the road naked while singing “Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It’s Flavor”.
THAT ought to fix the economy.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pmCageyCretin Says:
I’m going to spread cream cheese on my thighs and stuff cheetos up my nose and sit in the middle of the road naked while singing “Does Your Chewing Gum Lose It’s Flavor”.
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Oh, Lord… where’s that camcorder when I really need it?
February 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pmI’m going to go do that right now (since I have lost all sense of sticking to a thread).
February 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pmTRoS: I’ll send you a copy….
February 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pmScuse me, JT-troll – but could you please tell me *which* of your rightwing “opinion columnists” has won a Nobel Prize for Economics as Paul Krugman has…?
I’ll be waiting for your answer.
(For a very, very, very long time, I’m sure!)
February 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pmWow you read a book and you listen to Limbaugh. Well obviously you could teach Paul Krugman a thing or two.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pmWell there’s a reason they’re called dittoheads.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pmCageyCretin Says:
TRoS: I’ll send you a copy….
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You do realize I will be forced to put this up on YouTube immediately…
February 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
marlow Says:
… since you guys blew the bank over the past eight years…
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They blew more than just the bank, marlow…
I know, I call it the “smoking black hole”. I’m just jumping around on too many threads to choose my words carefully. JT? you out there? HOW DID THE NEW DEAL FAIL?
February 6th, 2009 at 2:07 pmYou tell TRoS! A man builds bridges every day of his life and nobody calls him a bridgebuilder but s@ck one little …
February 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pmAh..Joe the lame…what an asshat…No wonder he got booted out of congress – too stupid to know what’s going on around him..
Did he stay up all night practicing like Palin for his interview with Paul?? Sure seemed like it because he had Rush’s talking points almost down to a tee…It is truly amazing to see these moron talking heads like joejoe paint their picture with spin and when confronted with FACTS fall apart like a bad roll of toilet paper…
He should spend his spare time reading the new book ‘Tear Down This Myth: How the Reagan Legacy Has Distorted Our Politics and Haunts Our Future’ by Will Bunch which debunks EVERYTHING that these blowhards have built their sandcastles on with NO under-pinning… Good interview with Bunch on NPR if anyone is interested..
February 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pmThe Republicans take their marching orders from Limbaugh? Okay then, it must be true that Obama marches to the drumbeat of Willaim Ayers and Rev. Wright.
Choose a side but don’t deny the truth before your very eyes.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pmWhy is Paul Krugman not on this list:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog_post/beyond_the_echo_chamber/#2
Or Joseph Stiglitz, for that matter.
Still, it looks like Obama’s assembled a pretty good team, with labor and academia and NGO interests included.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pmAnvil, huh?
February 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pmHT, from what Krugman said after speaking to Clinton and not being interested I think he feels he doesn’t have the temperment to work for government. And for us maybe it’s better that he is able to speak his mind 100%.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pmAnvil
right, Obama has followed those peoples’s advice and defended them….not.
You are just another liar, add you to the pile.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pmMcCain admitted he is useless about economic issues, yet the GOP votes for his insane ideas. Not surprising.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pmAnvil Says:
The Republicans take their marching orders from Limbaugh? Okay then, it must be true that Obama marches to the drumbeat of Willaim Ayers and Rev. Wright.
Choose a side but don’t deny the truth before your very eyes.
Haha, yea, you’re a true moron. Does Anvil describe what fell on your head?
February 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pmPork. The repugs are screaming about the spare change that would go to programs that just might have even a minor positive impact on our economy (like keeping teens from getting pregnant without health care) yet they have no problem with the billions spent in Iraq. That is one really big pig.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pmYeah and I think it is still lodged between his ears.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pmAnvil Says:
The Republicans take their marching orders from Limbaugh? Okay then, it must be true that Obama marches to the drumbeat of Willaim Ayers and Rev. Wright.
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Huh??? At least TRY to make a real point. This is just silly.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pmWay to use the false equivalency, Anvil…
February 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pmTweedster Says:
Does Anvil describe what fell on your head?
LOL There used to be a troll who called its self ANVILHEAD.
It always typed in caps.
¶ AIO
February 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pmShayne Says:
And for us maybe it’s better that he is able to speak his mind 100%.
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Ummmmh… yes.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pmReminds me of King Arthur and the Black Knight. Here Mika, Joe and Pat get to play the role of the Black Knight…the neo-Hooverites only suffered a flesh wound!
February 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pmUmmmm…Limbaugh whips his dittoheads – who seem to have a lot of time on their hands – into a frenzy and they call their representatives endlessly. If those representatives happen to be Republicans, then they get the idea that the talking points (many of which are sent out of RNC headquarters daily) that Limbaugh spouts are what their constituents want dealt with. Therefore, many of the Republicans do indeed get their marching orders from Limbaugh.
On the other hand, the last time I checked William Ayers and The Rev. Wright don’t have daily radio talk shows where they can be found spouting left wing talking points and thus an audience that is relentlessly calling their Democratic representatives, or, for that fact, the White House, giving them marching orders. Your argument is not really an argument, it’s just pissy futility, it fails the logic test as it’s unsupported.
“Choose a side but don’t deny the truth before your very eyes.” What the heck kind of a statement is that? Sounds like something a 7th grader would say…
February 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pmHis whole name is Acme Anvil.
February 6th, 2009 at 3:25 pmHey TRoS, don’t be sucking up to me now just because it’s Friday and food might be involved!
February 6th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHey JT…..How about the Nobel Prize???? You idiot!!! I don’t see any Repug even come close heck your last president couldn’t put a sentance together with screwing up.
F’en idiots , thats whats wrong with this country….to many idiots with the letter R infront of there names.
February 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pmKrugman’s predicted something like 12 of the last 3 recessions.
Here he is from a year ago (hardly the definitive soothsayer of today):
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/making-predictions-is-hard/
Paul Krugman.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pmExactly how does the tax cut idea work. If there is, say $300 billion in tax cuts. Most likely the brunt of it given the republican (Regan) formula to feed the rich, will go to the rich.
Maybe a little more will go to the middle class to give the illusion that they are actually going to benefit from it.
Remember the $300 stimulus checks of Bush??? A lot of good that did. I didn’t get anything.
So instead of a deficit of $300 billion that would be spent by the government as part of a stimulus plan (actual spending it to get the money into the economy unless of course there is no oversight on the spending of it), we will have a $300 billion in deficit due to a loss of tax revenue.
What is the difference in terms of deficit? None.
Will the recipients of the tax cuts spend their money? Probably not, they will save it and wait for the economy to hit bottom before they spend.
Maybe the recession is a republican conspiracy!!!!
February 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pmWell, yeah, Backie, that Nobel Prize thingie was just a fluke.
February 6th, 2009 at 4:39 pmNot only did the New Deal work for the economy and most of the people in it, but it also resulted in a staunchly Democratic nation. And that’s what the Republican’s fear. They would rather let people suffer and spin to keep themselves in power, than do what is necessary to help our economy. That’s pretty damned selfish.
February 6th, 2009 at 5:42 pmYou nailed it, wiley. Amazing, having to defend the reality of the 20th century. Next, we’ll have to prove again that the Earth is a sphere.
February 7th, 2009 at 12:37 amLet’s see if spending helps the economy to move ahead and 58% of the bill does just that. (dems)
repugs want tax cuts for their failed policies and their fat old white 20%ers. And it’s well known that tax cuts don’t help the economy. repugs managed to force 42% of bs into the bill.
So does that mean the economy will only benefit 16%?
And I love President Obama chastised the repugs dummies when these stupidasses say the bill is loaded with spending. Idiots.
February 7th, 2009 at 12:59 ambacky,
I’m glad this personality is back.
1940s wasn’t exactly like today, mr. “chris matthews” The US was all divided all which way, it was racially segregated and racist. It gives me the shivers.
So 1940 ain’t working in 2009.
backy, think of it this way, Babe Ruth wasn’t a great record breaker because he only competed against whites.
you are determined to stick up with your failed, sick, idiotic, childish behavior on the rest of us. your type lost damn it.
when have you heard of a rnc ahole making like their some kind of president for the repugs?
February 7th, 2009 at 1:48 amIt’s too freakin sick and too f9cking strange for words.
limpydic is voice of reason in repug land.
maybe he’s the drug pusher.
mooseyak — yacking while digging a huge hole
joe the plumber — a repug plant that keeps on yackin like an idiot
steele — Clayton Bigsby
February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 amAnvil Says:
The Republicans take their marching orders from Limbaugh? Okay then, it must be true that Obama marches to the drumbeat of Willaim Ayers and Rev. Wright.
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WOW that was one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Do you have to take medication to be that stupid? Limbaugh IS a spokesperson for the Republicans. He was just called to be the keynote speaker at the Con CON. Meanwhile Wright was Obamas preacher and he hardly knew who Ayers WAS. Are you a moron or what? I hear word for word repititions of the Oxymoron from wingnuts all the time.
Choose a side but don’t deny the truth before your very eyes.
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Yeah well obviously it would be a waste of time to tell you not to deny the truth it is what you have been programed to do. I would say choose a side but dont be a MORON.
February 7th, 2009 at 7:46 amHuh!?
I don’t recall hearing complaints from Republicans when Bush would often fly back and forth on his many vacations to Texas.
February 7th, 2009 at 1:21 pmHow about Nancy Pelosi complaining about Private planes and the Auto industry when she uses TAX PAID JAUNTS and a government plane back and forth to California every week.
That will cost the American Tax Payer hundreds of thousands of dollars every year.
I’ll spell it out for you Liberals. HYPOCRITE.
Look up the meaning.
Your hearing this one from a Taxpayer and a citizen who has to pay for all that. Queen Pelosi is not the President although she seems to be telling the President what to do every day.
February 7th, 2009 at 5:42 pmWhy aren’t you Liberals happy? You won. You don’t need us Republicans. You control all three branches of government.
Go for it.
The third Clinton term is in power. Just the Change you Liberals have been calling for.
An administration of entrenched Washington Insiders with Obie at the helm. Steer the ship. Stop whining.
February 7th, 2009 at 5:51 pmDemocrats need to see their way clear to invoking the so-called ‘nuclear’ option in the Senate, just change the freakin’ rules and remove Senate RushPublicans from the equation or this will continue like this for years to come.
It would be controversial but this is an urgent situation.
They should have absolutely no say in government affairs because their level of incompetence is unparalleled.
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/45448.pdf
BTW, McCain lost the election yet I still here him snivelling and whining with his boy-wonder sidekick Lindsay Graham clinging to his pantleg.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:02 amWhat a freakin’ pathetic President he would have made.
He and Palin, of all people.(crossing my secular self)
professorj Says:
Let me spell it out for you. YOu rightwingnuts are MORONS. I mean stupid beyond belief. She is speaker of the House. She didnt ask for the plane. She offered to fly commercially. The new security procedures since 9/11 are the reason she has a plane and her office never asked for it nor were they involved in getting it you imbecile. I love the lack of self awareness when someone as STUPID as you is so condescending. You are a moron. You repeat the garbage you were TOLD to repeat because you are too stupid to think for yourself. Look up BRAINWASHED. Perhaps you can recognize your photo as part of the definition you ignorant troll.
February 8th, 2009 at 3:56 amprofessorj Says:
Hey moron troll. Go pour yourself a nice steaming hot cup of STFU
February 8th, 2009 at 3:58 amI don’t care if there is “pork” in the stimulus package. That pork will provide food for Americans who otherwise might be struggling to get it.
And I really enjoyed the way Obama took on the criticism that the stimulus package is a bunch of spending by saying “Well, duh” in a more sophisticated manner.
February 8th, 2009 at 7:08 amEugeneDebs Says:
professorj Says:
Let me spell it out for you. YOu rightwingnuts are MORONS. I mean stupid beyond belief. She is speaker of the House. She didnt ask for the plane. She offered to fly commercially. The new security procedures since 9/11 are the reason she has a plane and her office never asked for it nor were they involved in getting it you imbecile. I love the lack of self awareness when someone as STUPID as you is so condescending. You are a moron. You repeat the garbage you were TOLD to repeat because you are too stupid to think for yourself. Look up BRAINWASHED. Perhaps you can recognize your photo as part of the definition you ignorant troll.
Liberal tactic number 24. Change people words around to make them appear as though your opponent said them.
Pelosi complained that her little jet had to stop in Texas to refuel so she cried for a bigger jet and got it. Never did she ever offer to fly commercial.
Name calling is Liberal tactic number 17 to be used whenever you have to criticize an opponent but your too stupid to do it with a reasonable comment. Sub note 2 to that rule. No word can be nasty enough to use. If all else fails call them a Nazi or a member of the KKK. Fascist also works well.
It appears you have read the book Eugene. Good work.
February 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pmRFIDemocracy. Your actually into Socialism or some form of communism right? You certainly can’t be for Democracy. I get it. Your name is an insult on Democracy right?
February 8th, 2009 at 8:35 pmEugeneDebs Says:
I’m a putz that’s a plague on shitsiety and wnen i drool my lips turn blu. Me mutta was a snail in the pemodial smooze an If i stend up me undies fall doown and the skid marks sho.
Howd I do?
February 8th, 2009 at 8:39 pmprofessorj Says:
Why aren’t you Liberals happy? You won. You don’t need us Republicans. You control all three branches of government.
Go for it.
The third Clinton term is in power. Just the Change you Liberals have been calling for.
An administration of entrenched Washington Insiders with Obie at the helm. Steer the ship. Stop whining.
February 8th, 2009 at 8:41 pm