Sen. Ensign: It’s ‘Fearmongering’ To Suggest That Any Teachers Would Lose Their Jobs
Sen. Ensign: It’s ‘Fearmongering’ To Suggest That Any Teachers Would Lose Their Jobs
On Meet the Press this morning, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) slammed proposed cuts in aid to the states in the stimulus bill, explaining that states are slashing their funding for vital public needs. “That’s the wasteful spending that my colleagues are talking about,” Frank said. “Money to go to the states to stop them from laying off cops and firefighters, money to help keep teachers going. Those are jobs.”
Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) — who began the show by saying that doing nothing would be better than passing this stimulus plan — insisted that states’ budgets are “bloated” and derided Frank’s concerns as “fearmongering,” denying that any teachers, cops, or firefighters would lose their jobs:
To get back to what Congressman Frank said, is that we’re going to be laying off teachers and firefighters. You know, that’s just fearmongering. We’re not going to be doing that in any of the states. … [The states'] budgets are bloated, the federal government’s budget is bloated. What we should be doing is cutting back.
Watch it:
The idea that states’ budgets are “bloated” would certainty be news to them. Forty-three of the 50 states are facing budget shortfalls, adding up to a $47.4 billion gap as of January. And with most states required to balance their budgets, they are slashing spending in, among other areas, education, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities reported:
Thirty-Four states have cut education or proposed such cuts because they face massive, devastating budget deficits in this recession. [...]
Nearly all states are required to balance their general fund budgets. When large budget deficits develop, education often is cut deeply.
Some examples from the report:
Florida has cut aid to local school districts for the current year by $140 per pupil. South Carolina has cut per-pupil funding by $95 in the current year. Maine has cut K-12 funding about $140 per pupil; this comes on top of education cuts earlier this year that were targeted to reduce specific programs. Georgia’s governor has proposed cutting aid to local school districts for the current year by $115 per pupil, and for the coming fiscal year by $189 per pupil.
California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger proposed a $6 billion cut in education funding. These budget cuts will force districts to halt new teacher hiring, delay new school construction, and shut down other schools — meaning job cuts across the education spectrum. Obama’s pick to head the Department of Educuation, Arne Duncan, recently warned that stimulus dollars were needed immediately to “avert literally hundreds of thousands of teacher layoffs.”
What’s more, as Frank pointed out, it’s not just teachers who need federal stimulus dollars to be pumped into states. States are also cutting their public safety budgets, meaning police and firefighters across the country are losing their jobs.
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This is the danger in electing rigid ideologues to positions of power.
They are utterly incapable of adjusting their vision and rhetoric even when the situation demands it.
Wait — I guess that’s not completely accurate. After all, they did adopt the term “fearmongering” once a Democratic president took office.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmSometimes we forget the second mantra of the Right. The first, of course, is CUT TAXES! But the second is that “government is bloated.” Armed with one or two anecdotes about questionable government programs, they always claim that the government in question is “loaded with fat”, “we could cut millions just by being more efficient” . . . just don’t ask for specifics.
You just have to wonder, though, how a US Senator can go on television and blather something so obviously wrong, stupid and easily disproved that virtually anyone in the country, even most of the wingnuts, would have to stare in amazement.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmSen. Ensign: It’s ‘Fearmongering’ To Suggest That Any Teachers Would Lose Their Jobs»
yeah… my future daughter-in-law was plenty fearful last month when faced with losing her L.A.county teaching job…
February 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmshe got word recently that her job was saved… for a while…
The question is then WHY do our Democratic representatives not have the exact same information that you presented here at their fingertips when they go on these shows?
Why do the Democrats NEVER seem to rebut ANYTHING that we ordinary people on the “Intertubes” could do with the click of a mouse?
The kind of propaganda that Sen. John Ensign spewed this morning should be refuted right then and there for ALL to hear…
February 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pmHere in California they are closing elementary, middle, junior high and high schools. Communities that have more than one high school (for example) are combining students into one school (assuming there were two to begin with).
February 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmThis is all because of the states lack of revenue. There will be plenty of teachers without jobs, and very many students with a substandard education.
The crisis in CA has been long coming. It too has alot to do with Republican leadership. Dem.’s have come up with several proposals to (hopefully) save the state but the Republicans have blocked them every time.
It’s not just Republicans on a national stage that are aholes, they’re everywhere.
It is nice to see the repugs are at last coming out of the closet. Ensign (the lowest form of officer in the US navy) obviously can’t see that by denying funding to ‘bloated’ education just means he likes the idea of less education and supports the dumbing down of America.
It must scare him to think that a high school freshman might be smarter than him.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmSenator John Ensign is just another elitist Republican who is so entrenched in living the high life of Washington DC that he has no clue about what is happening in the states. Barney Frank is correct. The state budgets are reducing jobs. Even cities and townships are feeling the pinch. Philadelphia will be closing some their fire stations because of budget cuts. And yet elitist Ensign believes that state budgets are bloated. I’ll tell you what is bloated… the salaries and benefits of Senators is bloated.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:14 pmOne other thing I forgot to mention. Unincorporated areas of the state. Those are towns that don’t receive state services, and there are many in CA, are having their schools closed completely and are being forced to find ways to get to schools in neighboring communities.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pmThe older I get, the more I realize that anyong with (R) after their name or anyone who supports this minority of fools is a hopeless case. They have always been ignorant and they are too rigid to get any better. To hell with republicans. They are un-American fascist pigs.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pmWhat he says may have some merit. Republicans are unsurpassed experts on fear mongering.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pmHoodathunk, I think the fear is that a high school freshman might be smart enough to see through the GOP bullshit, if he gets “too much” education.
You know, as KKKarl Rove said,
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”
February 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pmIf the Republicans really think their state budgets are full of unecessary spending programs then I think they should cut those programs in their own states. They should not force their twisted logic on the rest of the country.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pmPlease, just let them do it at home and see if they get re-elected.
These Republicans elitists walk around with blinders on. They don’t see the club that is about to strike their heads. All they see is a shadow that blocks the sun and they think it is a cloud passing over head. Unfortunately, when the club finally strikes these elitists, it will have already completely destroyed the rest of America. How unpatriotic of them.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:21 pmMany services accross the State of CA are being cut. This is a FACT! CA is NOT alone in this regard by any means.FACT!
It befuddles me to try and understand how conservitives can really believe the opposite.
Aaarrgh!
February 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pmThe Republicans for 8 years cut funding to the states increasing the states’ budgets. People are losing their jobs by the tens of thousands and unemployment is paid mostly by the states.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThe Secretary of State Police is one of our accounts at my company and we haven’t been paid in about 4 months. That’s real good for small businesses isn’t it. I don’t need a tax break when I can’t get paid.
These morons don’t have a clue.
Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) — who began the show by saying that doing nothing would be better than passing this stimulus plan
in the meantime, if the bill were to be on the floor of the Senate today, the ensign would vote against it along with the rest of his republicans except collins and specter.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pmWow- that made my blood pressure zip to the stratosphere. I started my professional life as a teacher. With a master’s in chemistry, I was a pretty rare find considering it isn’t unusual for history teachers to be assigned to teach chemistry due to the shortage of science teachers.
I quit because on $400 a week I still had to spend about $150/month out of my pocket to buy supplies to make sure students were doing science and not just pushing dots around a paper. I loved teaching, but I didn’t remember signing up to be a martyr. Now I make more than I would have if I stayed in the system and became a deputy Superintendent.
What we expect educators to do in this country really makes me sick to my stomach. They already have too many kids in a classroom at once, too many kids needing help learning English and content at once, too many kids with absent parents, too many kids too hungry to concentrate. It is a joke.
I was really optimistic that for once public schools would get some financial attention and I can’t believe we are letting their needs slip once again.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pmgummitch
They should lead by example and they could start by taking a pay cut and a reduction in benefits, starting with health care.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pmJust what do you think “cutting back” is if county and state employees aren’t losing their jobs, Ensign?
Logic and facts= fearmongering
A Republican claim electing a democrat would weaken our security: patriotastic!
Here’s a hint from 1/50 states: The UNC system alone is raising the possibility of nearly 2,000 job cuts.
My blood boils at the media for giving the very people who caused this problem airtime to propose their debunked solutions and display their trademark ignorance.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:24 pmGee, great news to my unemployed already teacher frineds in California!
Idiot.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmMore re-puke speak hypocrisy……..it was such a short time ago the Reich was fearmongering America that Obama was a Muslim and other things.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
… they did adopt the term “fearmongering” once a Democratic president took office.
i’ve said before, it’s like we wrote their playbook…
very aggravating. … just can’t let them get away with it…
February 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmralph says: You know, as KKKarl Rove said,
“As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.”
I think that is the closest ole KKKarl has ever come to speaking the truth. He must have been sick for days.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pmI’m waiting for Ensign and Kyl to condemn Dick Cheney for declaring we are at risk for a terrorist attack because President Obama wants to close Gitmo. Or do they not feel that is fear mongering.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:27 pmwait till you hear the newt being a delusional grinning liar on abc…
February 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI just had dinner last night with a friend who was laid off from Cal State San Marcos, and is now on unemployment. Yes, in California, the teachers have been and are being laid off.
I am SO sick of Republicans acting like nobody is losing their jobs when it is happening here every single day!
February 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pmI had to turn of meat the press after mccain sat right there and said that the republicans had shut out the dems for 8 years and that Obama had promised different but was not delivering……Of course he was alone on the stage with sheifer so there was no one there to say “What”????
February 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pmMy letter I just sent to Senator Ensign (not that he will care, but it makes me feel better):
Senator Ensign,
I just had dinner last night with a friend who was laid off from Cal State San Marcos, and is now on unemployment. Yes, in California, the teachers have been and are being laid off.
I am SO sick of Republicans acting like nobody is losing their jobs when it is happening here every single day!
Seriously, why are you lying? I would really like to know how it serves the American people when you stand in the Senate and LIE.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pmSandoz76 Says:
Astounding isn’t it? They forced nclb and then didn’t fund it and now it’s a colossal failure even if it ever had a chance to succeed……
February 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pmFred, Katy, I can’t watch McCain or Newt any more. The channel changing becomes fast and furious.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pmSorry, bears repeating.
AAARRRRRRRGGGGH!
February 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pmThere may be justification for condemning the actions that are responsible for the economic turmoil, as Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court ; because their effects are worldwide and devastating. At the very least they should be seen as gross violation within the context of public accountability
February 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pmRemember both McCain and Kyl are in a state with lots of retired voters. And McCain pays for his campaign with his wife’s money. Unemployment is such a big deal to the retired apparently. If Democrats fought dirty like Republicans do they would mention this little fact.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pmJust say NO to more tax cuts for the rich!
AIO
February 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pmShayne – thank goodness for blogs where someone watches the liars on the Sunday morning talk shows so that I don’t have to watch them. It saves my TV because I would probably throw my cup of coffee at the set. I can’t afford to buy another set right now. The desire to spend is there but the money isn’t.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pmShayne…
Let’s see how the retired voters of NV and Arizona feel when this economic catastrophe crashed onto their SS checks. And it will.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pmSandoz76
Thanks for your teaching service! But remember, the republicans think “pay for performance” will solve the woes in our schools. To them it isn’t any of the factors causing under performance: malnutrition, dysfunctional families, adolescent stress/drugs/depression, parents unemployed, republicans pushing endless testing requirements, and bloated administration offices. The GOP expects teachers to bring cohesion to the classroom while ignoring all of the societal indicators that cause inequality in the first place.
With all the stress that teachers have these days, “pay for performance” is a real slap in the face. You pay teachers better for the work they already do. If the teachers are no good, a wad of cash isn’t going to change that. You either send them back to school or transition them to a suitable career.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmI thought I heard it all when a man told me he wished Bush could run for a third term. That comment left me speechless. That said, I met a couple of Bankers the other evening. And Wow. According to them none of this is the fault of the Banking Industry, or Bush or the Republicans,in fact they’re the victims here and the Republicans have it right with more tax cuts. Anyone laid off needs to pull themselves up their boot straps. When they told me of their love for Sarah Palin, I became livid, as if the boot strap comment wasn’t enough. Education is not a priority in their minds. Something about an excess of teachers anyway and with more tax cuts, they’ll find their way somehow. I felt like I was in a parallel universe. In the end my husband had to get me away from them. I was so angry I couldn’t put together a complete thought or sentence.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmThe sheer hypocrisy and volume of LYING coming from them is astoundingly infuriating. I pride myself at being able to keep my composure and a cool head in situations such as this, but COME ON!
10..9..8..7..6….5……4……..3..
whew, that was another close one.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmcrashed onto their SS checks
should read “crashes onto their SS checks”.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pmIt’s too bad that they didn’t round out the round-table with a couple of mayors and/or governors to give them and the viewers a little reality check.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pmLiaRS @ http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/08/ensign-denies-teacher-layoffs/#comment-5491176
See what I mean?
February 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pmSorry about the abreviation Liberal. But apprapoe (sic) to this discussion. heh
liberalinaredstate, I had this same type of discussion with one of my brother in-laws on Thanksgiving day after cooking dinner all morning for him. He thought W was maybe the greatest president ever for keeping us safe SINCE 9/11. I found laughing at him kept me from hitting him over the head with a wine bottle.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:46 pmOn the news today: California is in such dire straits, gov’t workers are being forced to take a 2 day “furlough” each month (layoff)- about a 10% pay cut. Ensign obviously has no idea what’s going on.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pmAs usual though Barney Frank came back with excellent retorts. So of course he was interrupted. Once he got them to shut up he did just fine though.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pmRandomChaos and Shayne, keeping a cool head when faced with such idiotic remarks proves to be difficult, at times anyway. Those comments touched a serious nerve. Bottled rage! Thank god I’m a runner, it helps!
February 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pmIt’s not that Ensign has no idea what’s going on out here — he just doesn’t care.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pmFebruary 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
ectoendomezo Says: THE TRUTH
Being an honest working Tax payor for my entire LIBERAL leaning life. THIS JUST PISSES THE #$@% out of me. I always overpay my taxes. I always file on time and get a nice little refund. I add this to my non-discressionary retirement savings investments or vacation slush fund, but whatever. The point is this… ITS MY FCUKING MONEY BIOTCH , I don’t want no frigin IOU. My CU is gonna laugh me out the door if I tried to deposit that.
Bears repeating.
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHH
February 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pmout of context @ 49….Summers response to reps claiming that FDR didn’t fix the depression that hoover created……
February 8th, 2009 at 12:58 pmectoendomezo, everybody know that the potheads that are convicted and end up in prison would vote Democratic if they weren’t convicted. Doh.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:58 pmMy husband knows better to try and stop me when I’m on a rant. If he did I’d be mad for months. But with us it was just family. I feel your pain. And I find living in a red county keeps me from fraternizing with the neighbors. I can’t imagine living in a whole red state.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pmWhy is it that at the end of every period of Republican control in the last 100+ years the economy has been on the verge of tanking? Why is it that the deficit has increased every time Republicans are in control? With the possible exception of Eisenhower and his interstate program (which ultimately benefited the rich by lowering transportation costs) no Republican has done squat to build anything of benefit to the US economy?
Every Republican period has seen benefits for the rich, diminishment of labor, the middle class and the poor.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pmI wonder if it is still possible to decline having taxes taken out of your payroll?
Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) is a pretender and a fake. He is living in the same world as McSame and his Rush-ass-lickin-colleagues when it comes to helping people to keep jobs and homes…doesn’t care. All you have to do is look at the local Nevada paper – The Las Vegas Sun if you’re interested…
He has broken every promise he’s made to Nevada and deserves to end up in a cell.
Ever wonder why the West is turning democratic?? It’s not demographics or immigration – it’s current politicians like Ensign LYING THUR THEIR TEETH…
February 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pmWinski – the west is turning blue fast enough.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pmI wonder, will we survive until 2010 when some of these Senators run for re-election? Since Specter supported the removal of state funds from the stimulus bill, he shouldn’t expect the Democrats that now largely outnumber the Republicans will support him when he runs for re-election in 2010.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pmI have stated in the past here on TP my location and occupation. Northern California Greater Bay Area (Silicon Valley) Local Government IT position. We are currently working on our Yearly Budget proposals. Take a gander at the States/Counties last elections. Look how many Bond issues and such were in it. We have been “Cutting Back” (Remove or Freeze Positions)and other Cost cutting/saving (Discontinuing Services…) for the last 5 years. Things are seriously F’d up at this point. As someone above posted. Mandatory “Furlowing” without pay in most cases.
I do not know how ANYONE can not believe this depression is in FACT a National Catasprophy.
Damn
February 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pmFred Says:
I had to turn of meat the press after mccain sat right there and said some crazy crap…
that was incredible… and did he also refer to that non-CBO report?
today was loaded with lots of right wing bullshite…
steele saying boosh inherited a recession… the there is a distinction between jobs and work…
fairly dizzying…
February 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pmLet’s a closer look at just the education spending that got slashed from the Senate’s stimulus bill:
$100 for distance learning
$98 million for school nutrition
$1 billion for Head Start/Early Start
$600 million for Title I (NCLB)
$16 billion for school construction
$3.5 billion for higher education construction
Oh, no. No teachers will lose their jobs. And slashing infrastructure spending across the board will result in billions of new jobs, comrades.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pmHello Sen. Ensign States have already cut teachers and this would be the third time. Out here in California the Govenor is asking people to volunteer as teachers and teachers aides. I wish these Senator would go back to their States to see what’s really going on with the citizens and stop taking advice from Rush and the Republican Economic Adviser Joe the Plummer.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pmSince when does the GOP give a crap about the status of public education. They would like nothing better to have private schools become the standard anyway. If public school teachers get laid off and the quality of public school education further deteriorates because less government money is spent on it, well, it’s all good.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pmAll I can say is phuck the obstructionist republicans and may every last one of them burn in hell! This goes for the politicians and their ignorant supporters. They are a evil, hateful plague that needs to be removed from society.
You give them facts and they deny them all call them untrue or biased or blame the democrats. When will these ignorant bastards ever hold their own party and their policies accountable? It’s enough to make me want to destroy my computer and my TV just so I don’t have to listen to their bullsh*t anymore!
To the democrats I say screw trying to be bipartisan. Get on the airwaves and start playing hardball with the fools who got us where we are today due to 8+ years of unaccountability, deregulation, tax cuts which favored the 1-5% highest incomes, tax breaks to corporations.
It’s time to expose Cheney and the energy/oil lobbyists who wrote the energy bill under Bush. It’s time for independent investigations of the Bush administration for high crimes and misdemeanors, war crimes, politicizing the justice department, lying America into war and the cover up behind the 9/11 attacks. It is time to punish the enemy within our own government who have all but destroyed our country and shredded our constitution.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pmFrom a thread long ago:
February 8th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Law enforcement people are already being laid off where I live with more cuts likely to come. I wouldn’t put it past Republican leadership to try to increase the chance for a terrorist attack by forcing layoffs of security personel.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:12 pmShayne, I live in Sarasota Florida, and I wish, really wish that I would run into Kathryn Harris, I would not hold back. This a pretty little city, pretty conservative. Only here for a short time and then back to home state of CA, which is flat broke. Cant’ win! :)
February 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pmectoendomezo Says:
thanks ENRON, fer the ‘recall’ and the smear campaign that put Der Arnold in charge…
Actually, I believe the person to “thank” for that would be Republican Congressman Darrell Issa, who pretty much single-handedly funded the effort to have Gov Gray Davis recalled. Issa is a man who must have a problem with Democracy when it results in people he doesn’t like getting elected, which is another way of saying he doesn’t support Democracy.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmShayne, good point. The Rs have got to keep those pot-smokin’ liberals locked up!
I know one teacher from my hometown here in southeastern NY who already had her job cut. On top of that, she was told that the ‘official’, but not honest, excuse was to be that she ‘wasn’t a good teacher’! So she’s not only out of a job, she’s being slandered at the same time. And hers was only the first of the teacher layoffs in that school system.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmAs a teacher I had to write the idiot.
Dear Senator,
I cannot see how you can sit on national television and say it is fearmongering to suggest teachers loosing thier jobs. I happen to be a part-time college instructor in Texas waiting on a full time position. I wouldn’t expect you to know the financial restraints put on a part-time college instructor waiting in line in a competetive environment, but I would like you to know that we do not get paid unless we teach, and that depends on enrollement. This means that me nor my wife (who does the same thing) can afford health insurance since we have to save for the lean months and we cannot even have children until we get settled in a full time position. Now with the economic crisis who knows when we will be getting full time jobs. The fact is Senator, states are cutting education budgets and teachers are loosing thier jobs. Most state budgets are in crisis and education is the first thing the cut. Cutting budgets means no new money to hire teachers and unless something is done, I (and many of my fellow teachers) can foresee students opting out of college because of financial restraints and that would mean the end of my job now since my job depends on available classes. Senator you and your collegues make it a point to block anything that will help the American people and Republicans, of all people, should know what fearmongering entails. You block healthcare and now you have forced $40 billion dollar cuts to aid state governments that could help save the teachers you claim are not losing jobs and the schools that are closing. How do you sleep at night Senator? How do you lay down at night knowing you lie to Americans everyday? How do you sleep at night after you sit and rail on an on about wasteful spending on healthcare, infrastructure, aid to states, family planning, etc. and then advocate the biggest wasteful spending bill in American history, the Iraq war? I know what I am asking will never be answered I just needed to rant.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmFred says: From a thread long ago:
ONLY explanation!
That is why we Democratic Progressive/Liberal need to snuff them out.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:16 pmI can’t stand to watch the Sunday morning lie-fests anymore – did anyone besides Barney Frank stand up and tell the truth, or were all the lineups full of Rs?
February 8th, 2009 at 1:19 pmFred Says:
Summers response to reps claiming that FDR didn’t fix the depression that hoover created……
that was great.
and then he went on with this simple fact, paraphrasing:
lots of people out of work … lots of work that needs to be done (infrastructure)
February 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pmjlw771 Says: VERY well said.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pmGood luck at getting a perm position. We need more Teachers!
Holy crap! He REALLY thinks that the state budgets are BLOATED and no one is losing their jobs? My god, that is beyond living inside the bubble. That is called living up your own a**.
BTW, this clip would make a great election ad against this fool to all of those teachers and policemen who have been furlowed or laid off.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pmThis is off topic but WHY isn’t the media or anyone else connecting the dots as to what has helped us get in this current financial crisis and the increasing incidents of tainted food and toys?
Why won’t anyone say what needs to be said. The current financial crisis and tainted, poison filled food & toy incidents are occurring because the Bush administration gutted both the SEC and the FDA. Hello is there anybody out there? ‘Liberal’ media where are thou?
February 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pmGovernors are begging for federal help – their budgets are in the red, programs are cut to the bone, employees taking unpaid days off, but Ensign thinks their budgets are bloated?
Repugniscum are showing their true colors to America these days – if anyone had any doubts about where their interests lie, the people should see clearly now that repugniscum do not care for the general public – they work for their campaign donors.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pmIf he has (R) after his name, he is a liar, and a crook.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pmShame on you, Sen. Ensign. The Senate is a shameful body. It is embarrassing to listen to these lying blowhards.
With the exception of a few, we should throw out the lot and start fresh.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pmAnd let’s not forget the cost of this insane War in IRAQ. The neo con Bush experiment
February 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pmNo Senator Ensign this is fear mongering:
1-Mushroom clouds.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pm2-WMD’s.
3-We must fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them in our own backyard.
4-If we leave now, the terrorists will follow us home.
5-They want to kill all of you and all of your children.
6-Color coded terrorist threat alerts.
7-Another attack is eminent if we stop polices of torture and illegal surveillance.
#72, Ms. Jane,
All of the Sabbath Gasbag shows today were chock full of RePugniScums.
If you can find a clip you will hear Michael “The Magic Republican” Steele on ABC with George StuffTheTruthAgain claiming that government jobs are not jobs because the contract ends.
My hair caught fire at that point so I had to break into the nearby, closed fire department to put it out.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pmEnsign should try getting his news from somewhere other than Fox or ABC.
California is already forcing state employees to take two Fridays off per month, WITHOUT PAY, because there’s not enough money to pay them. This cutback is scheduled to last until June 2010.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pmDixie blood, thanks for sacrificing your hair to watch these liars. If I tried to watch them these days, well, there would be three TV machines in this house that would need replacing. Wayne wouldn’t be too happy about that! ;)
February 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pmLet’s start with cutting back Ensign!
February 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pmHundreds of people showed up in Miami recently to apply for 35 positions that Miami advertised for. 35!
They camped out overnight to be one of the first 750 applicants to have a shot at the job…
AZ’s new Republican Governor, who replaced elected Democrat Janet Napolitano, and the republican controlled state house and state senate are trying to balance the budget on the backs of .. guess else? cuts to schools and cuts to the poor…
Sheesh. everywhere you look, it looks like fear mongering…
February 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pmSo… are the Democrats gonna just Complain about this???
or are they gonna go to the Mat for the beleagered States and Localities…and Insist that this Funding be RESTORED in Conference???
And BTW…who are these House /Senate Conferees that have SO MUCH Power in Secret???
February 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pmBTW,
Michael “The Magic Republican” Steele is the very first black man in history to be elected to head the klan. Times sure are a changin’
February 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pmjlw771 @ 1:15 pm
You might get more traction with your letter if you spell “losing” with one “o” instead of 2… Just sayin’
February 8th, 2009 at 1:53 pmLibertyLover Says:
Thanks for pointing out the mistake. However, I think that it might give me more traction since they did nominate a woman for vice president who couldn’t put g’s on the end of her words.
The more uneducated you sound the better you are to the conservative movement.
February 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
… did anyone besides Barney Frank stand up and tell the truth, or were all the lineups full of Rs?
i heard robert riech (SP?) set the newt straight – a couple of times…
and some lady journalist across from him, next to newt, eeew!,
seemed to be mostly fair….
…
shayne – i hear ya – not ignoring you… i usually only watch my cbs morning show and listen to scheiffer and abc after that… but this damn laptop is right here now… darn…
February 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pmI fail to see why Nevada Senator Ensign is so unconcerned about unemployment. His state is tied with Washington D.C. at 8%, with only 5 other states in worse shape. He is not only anti-American, he is anti-Nevadan as well.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:02 pmRight on topic. Read this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020503413.html?sid=ST2009020600806&s_pos=
Steven Pearlstein rips the RePugniScums a new one today in the WaPoop rag regarding the stimulus package.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pmSen. Claire McCaskil did a good job refuting Sen. Ensign and Rep. Pence.
She is knowlegeable, articulate, can think on her feet,,,
And she looks like a MOM from down the street.
Barney Frank, however, wins hands down for the “Snappy Retort”.
He specializes in Revealing Hypocracy.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pmlw771 @1:58 Good point. Can’t argue with that….
February 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pmdixie blood, good article, thanks for the link.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pmI can’t help but wonder about the criteria for selecting the Speaker of the House. Or the Majority leader in the Senate. Dave Obey has about as much seniority and respectability as any Congressman and is also, I believe, one of the primary sponsors of the original stimulus bills.
In the Senate, there are several senators who have a great deal more credibility than Barney. Some with low seniority like McCaskill and Feingold (both with sterling reputations as fighters) as well as Kerry and Harkin, old warhorses with a fight or two left in them.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:21 pmEither Ensign is on crack or he simply lives in a bubble in Nevada. Ensign needs a reality check in his state since Nevada is one of the largest increase of home foreclosure on the west coast. And to say this is fear mongering to suggest that any teachers would lose their jobs is pure lying to the public. Every industry including education and teaching have been hit from this financial crisis. Not one job is safe nor employee has job security.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:21 pmR’s know that keeping a fair portion of the public woefully undereducated helps their cause.
Public Ignorance = Republican job security
February 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pm#100, tombaker says:
Public Ignorance = Republican job security
It started with Ronnie Raygun. He knew if he could dumb down then public the public would more likely become RePugniScums.
He helped the idiot racist feel good about thier hatred with his constant harping against Affirmative Action.
He put Bill Bennett in charge of the Department of Ed. A real reich wing dickhead who crippled the dept. setting the model for the GW Botch admin.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pmIf the slashing of spending did not get one single Republican vote——-then why was it done? To hell with getting a republican vote, anyway. If there ain’t enough to avoid a filibuster——then let them filibuster. Let the whole country see where they stand.
February 8th, 2009 at 2:57 pmDr. Hussein Matt, 18,000 die every year in the US due to lack of healthcare. So, you can say there is the equivalent of six 9/11’s every year due to conservatives. (And we pay twice as much on administration as we should)
February 8th, 2009 at 2:59 pmHa! What a joke. They informed my son, a high school senior, that he would have to take Advanced Placement Calculus with a VIDEO PROFESSOR because they couldn’t afford a teacher for the class.
Advanced Placement courses are for college credit. Can you image taking CALCULUS in front of TV where you can’t ask questions?
Good Lord.
No. Absolutely NO teachers are losing their jobs. Right. Everything’s fine here … nothing to see … move along.
February 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pmFunny,
February 8th, 2009 at 3:46 pmThey’re laying off teachers here in connecticut already. only to repukies is the truth “fearmongering”
Hold the phone! Is professorj losing an imaginary job?
February 8th, 2009 at 3:48 pmToday I am appropriately wearing my T-shirt that says “Experts agree, everything is FINE.”
February 8th, 2009 at 3:49 pm.
Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) Said:
… Sir, the only thing “bloated” around here is your pig @ss Party.
.
February 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pmTeachers educate and this is what stops the right wingers dead in their tracks. Right wingers want a stupid nation, because by having a stupid nation, they’re able to manipulate the public into believing their horse crap!
February 8th, 2009 at 4:06 pmThis is nothing but fearmongering! Fearmongering I say! States … all that States have to do is cut wasteful spending. There is not a State in this country that cannot reduce its budget by cutting wasteful spending. They can absorb this economic downturn without coming to Washington for a handout, and without cutting teachers and without cutting police and without cutting firemen. And I’ll tell you how they can do all this: REDUCE TAXES!!!
[/Limpbaugh]
February 8th, 2009 at 4:07 pmLet Ensign sub a 40-pupil 9th Grade class next year once the axe falls on our teachers. They’ll eat him alive.
February 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pmbog,
nah, we lay off all the teachers, and kids will have to be home-schooled. Which will be easy, since their parents are out of work, too!
February 8th, 2009 at 4:41 pmThe good news is that few people actually watch Sunday morning ‘lie fests’. People are sleeping in, going to church, preparing to spend a leisure day with family, visiting with neighbors or friends (a social outing), etc. I would imagine the the available audience for the Repugnant propaganda is quite limited. The fact that they are on TV shows renders the term ‘liberal media’ mute. However, it is important the public doesn’t drop it’s guard as the Republican’ts are using the media and the internet more that ever to distribute misinformation. It’s important we fight back. The battle wasn’t won this past November.
February 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pmSenator Ensign must be proud about Nevada being #45 out of 50 in his bloated states’ expenditure, per child, in education. Not totally sure but I think, on average, Nevada receives about $275.00 per student, per school district, a year from the Federal government. Let’s see 275 divided by roughly 180 days of school for kids ….. that’s about $1.53 @ day for each student from the Feds. Now to be fair, I don’t know if that includes any special expenditures for special education, etc.
February 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pmLet’s review #45 out 50(states) in state money for students and a buck fifty three
per day for each student, public school, I would presume, from Washington.
Our good friend from Nevada must feel good indeed.
I must agree with the Senator on several points. #1) this stimulus plan will only make matters worse. #2) There are huge amounts of waste in all levels of government. #3)Education is run by unions and special interest groups who serve to increase the waste that is rampant in our schools.
February 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm#4)And most importantly, where in the Constitution is education stated as a responsibility of the Federal Government?
sipster Says:
I must agree with the Senator on several points.
#1) this stimulus plan will only make matters worse.
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Hard to say what’s going to happen. Can’t be sure it will work, or how well, but can’t say FOR SURE it won’t either. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but your opinion isn’t fact.
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#2) There are huge amounts of waste in all levels of government.
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Well, the GOOP sure put ‘em there over the last 8 years. Excuse me if I don’t take a GOOPer’s advice on this one.
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#3)Education is run by unions and special interest groups who serve to increase the waste that is rampant in our schools.
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This is just silly hyperbole.
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#4)And most importantly, where in the Constitution is education stated as a responsibility of the Federal Government?
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Prolly something to do w/ the 14th Amendment & the Equal Protection Clause.
February 8th, 2009 at 7:39 pmsipster Says:
I must agree with the Senator on several points. #1) this stimulus plan will only make matters worse. #2) There are huge amounts of waste in all levels of government. #3)Education is run by unions and special interest groups who serve to increase the waste that is rampant in our schools.
#4)And most importantly, where in the Constitution is education stated as a responsibility of the Federal Government?
Must you now?
I agree that any “stimulus” plan authored by the Republican Party will make matters worse, but I do believe that if the Democrats were allowed to spend the money they way they want (which is the whole point of a “stimulus” plan, BTW).
The whole “huge amounts of waste in all levels of government” is a straw man. Yes, there is waste, but nowhere near the amounts approaching the spending in this bill, as long as you forget about contractor waste on no-bid, cost-plus contracts. Those always have waste. Let’s end every one of them right now.
Education is run by people who give a crap whether kids learn or not. Since conservatives would prefer to do away with public education altogether (for reasons easily knocked down below), they oppose any government spending that helps make our citizens smarter. That’s a fact, Jack.
A Dept of Education falls under the purpose of providing for the general Welfare, found in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.
Any other objections to the Dept of Education? Because I see all the justification I need right there.
February 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pmI’ve read these comments with a great deal of interest, and it occurs to me that for an supposedly educated group of people, very few can correctly spell ‘THEIR’…
February 8th, 2009 at 9:21 pmWTF! Senator Ensign is a dumb f&*(^k! The city and county where I live is short more than $90 million. City officials have been meeting for weeks to try and figure out how they’re going to deal with the shortage of funds!
February 8th, 2009 at 9:32 pmI know! I know!
CUT TAXES!!!
February 8th, 2009 at 9:48 pmEnsign is insane, isn’t he?
For each job lost in the public sector, revenue is lost at small to medium-sized businesses in the private sector.
This revenue loss in the private sector due to its shrinking consumer/customer base causes business owners in the private sector to layoff workers, which puts an additional, escalating squeeze on their own revenues as well as the revenue of other small to medium-sized businesses. Because of this, even the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is supporting President Obama’s economic stimulus plan because they see the writing on the wall…and flashbacks to the 1929 to 1933 period when unemployment rose to over 25 percent, which saw many small to medium-sized businesses destroyed.
So, Sen. Ensign wants to see a return to what Herbert Hoover, and his die-hard conservative administration, caused to happen between 1929 and 1933, does he?
Shouldn’t Sen. Ensign be committed somewhere, for the sake of our nation’s children? Maybe GITMO?
February 8th, 2009 at 10:05 pmOk cool aid drinkers. Dont you know that every time someone talks about budget cuts the first place they go is education and public safety. And obviously based on the coments here it is an efective ploy. I am SURE there is plenty of government fat to be trimmed and I am also sure there is non teacher related fat in the education sector to be trimmed also. Or maybe you just like pouring your cash down the giant government drain they have created. It is your money you know.
February 8th, 2009 at 10:25 pmLets face it until things came crashing down there was a long stretch of giant government spending and where did it get us? are our kids smarter? are the streets safer? are the roads better? And lastly if there was never a boom and the government never got all that extra revenue what would of happened? I am thinking we would have had to make due with the funds available. God bless any politician that has the guts to tell people the truth We have no more money to spend so something needs to go like it or not.
stewarjt Says:
What he says may have some merit. Republicans are unsurpassed experts on fear mongering.
And, of course, Botch’s insistence that there was a WMD under every sand dune was NOT fearmongering. Chenass’s forecast of a terrorist attack worse than 9/11 is not fearmongering. Warning of the collapse of life as we know it if we listen to those dammed librul progressive Commies who just got elected is not fearmongering. . . .
February 8th, 2009 at 10:56 pmFunny how Reno, NEVADA is forcing its firefighters to take a 2.1% pay cut along with other cuts in order to save 36 jobs. The Reno, NEVADA city council voted to cut 36 firefighter jobs and close one fire station unless the firefighters took a pay cut, started to pay for their own specialized equipment. In Sparks, NEVADA, the city laid off 35 workers. While none were firefighter or police, many did work for the police department. Funny how Sen. John Ensign (R-NEVADA) doesn’t even know what’s going on in his own state of NEVADA. Over in California, the city of Stockton is dismissing 29 police officers. Yep, 29 police officers. So much for Ensign knowing what he’s talking about.
The Republican governor of NEVADA wants to cut higher education funding by almost 50%, yet Ensign has the gall to go on national television and say that the states are doing just fine. He must not even read the Nevada papers while he’s out in D.C.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:01 pmLets face it until things came crashing down there was a long stretch of giant government spending and where did it get us? are our kids smarter? are the streets safer? are the roads better?
The “long stretch of giant government spending” has been on two “wars”, one of which at least was illegal. And no, we don’t have anything to show for it except the destruction of a sovereign nation, tens of thousands dead, the loss of this country’s moral high ground in the world, etc., etc.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:04 pmYeah, and some of us frequently mix up and type “an” before words that begin with a consonant.
Good point.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:12 pmjlw771 Says:
The more uneducated you sound the better you are to the conservative movement.
Yes.
BUT, and this is an important distinction, you are supposed to be REPUBLICAN, or at least pro-repug, if you’re stupid. The repugs do not care about ANYBODY’s IQ or education unless that person will serve the goopers.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:14 pmsipster Says:
I must agree with the Senator on several points. #1) this stimulus plan will only make matters worse. #2) There are huge amounts of waste in all levels of government. #3)Education is run by unions and special interest groups who serve to increase the waste that is rampant in our schools.
#4)And most importantly, where in the Constitution is education stated as a responsibility of the Federal Government?
First, let me admit that after reading your first line, I was reluctant to waste any of my time on perusing your blathering.
I’ll tackle ONLY your stupidities about education [which, by the way, is part of that old-fashioned document trashed by you and your ilk; right there in the Preamble, it clearly states that one principal aim of the Constitution is "promote the general welfare"--which includes EDUCATION.]
Please give me one VALID proof of your accusation of “unions and special interest groups” running and ruining education? I’ve taught for almost 40 years in public school, junior college, college, and at universities; I’ve taught in New York, Texas, California, and Tennessee–I have YET to encounter a “special interest group” that was HARMING education in ANY way.
You’re a blithering idiot who’s been “sipping” something that has rotted your brain.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:24 pmSo why are California’s a federal government problem?
Let’s assume that a state government was going bankrupt because of its own fiscal irresponsible behavior. Is it the federal governemnt’s obligation to save it?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:58 amWillywoo Says:
So why are California’s a federal government problem?
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Live in California, willy?
Prolly not, I’m guessing.
It’s a little more complicated than sound bytes, Willy.
BTW, w/ with the bad grammar and spelling? Home schooled?
February 9th, 2009 at 1:37 amYou people are complete morons. What a bunch of Anti-Republican Bigots you all are. A bunch of cry babies. We can’t so anything because of the Republicans. Waaa Waaaa. Our State is broke, Waaaaa, Waaaaa. I hate all Republicans, Waaaaa Waaaaa.
What a bunch of Idiots you all are.
And Barney Frank is still elected every term along with Ted Kennedy who loaded up your stupid states with so many social programs you can’t afford them any more and you Socialists cry, Waaaaaa, Waaaaaa. I hate Republicans. I hate Republicans.
Take responsibility for you ineptness and get a life. Your whining is hurting my ears.
Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama
Idiots on parade.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:57 amprofessorj,
Is there a point somewhere in that rambling post of yours?
Unlike those of you who support the Republican Party, we are intelligent people who use our critical thinking skills. We see the Republicans for the liars and frauds that they are, but those of you who vote for them can’t seem to handle the truth. You actually believe that the Republicans are doing the right thing. I don’t whine about Republicans. If anything, I whine because we have people in this country like you who are stupid enough to believe the Republicans, when anyone with an IQ in the three-digit range could see they’re lying.
And those of us who do not live in Massachusetts had no say whatsoever in who they sent to Congress. But, to be perfectly honest, I’m happy that Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy keep getting re-elected. At least those two men care about what happens to average Americans, unlike the people you support.
Hope you enjoyed your drive-by trolling.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:15 amTesticle says;
I’ll tackle ONLY your stupidities about education [which, by the way, is part of that old-fashioned document trashed by you and your ilk; right there in the Preamble, it clearly states that one principal aim of the Constitution is “–which includes EDUCATION.]
I have to laugh. You think that the Constitution says the Government must support education because it says “promote the general welfare”. What a stretch of the imagination that is. Your not only ignorant but must be a Socialist Liberal as well.
When the Constitution was written there were no Government sponsored schools and no where in it does it say there should be Government schools. The “Welfare” part means the Constitution also says the Government has to pay for welfare I guess.
You know the Constitution i presume. Try this one. Article. IV. Section 4. Now that is very specific.
It’s a Liberal ploy and in their game plan to cry “we have to close down the schools” “we have to lay off the police” “we have to close the fire stations” every time they overspend the peoples tax money for social programs. How about laying off the Governors driver, laying off his private secretary, reducing the bureaucratic paper pushers and non producers first. No can’t do that.
Or here’s a tough one, don’t waste the peoples money and live within your means. Hell can’t do that either. We just voted ourselves a raise.
Almost 1 trillion dollars of peoples tax money are spent on Education in this country every year. That’s more money than some countries total GDP. Yet, alas, Johnny can’t read. So sad. Johnny can show you how to put a condom on a cucumber though.
Get a grip. Regain control of the spending and for god’s sake, stop your whining. It’s hurting my ears.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:19 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
professorj,
Is there a point somewhere in that rambling post of yours?
Unlike those of you who support the Republican Party, we are intelligent people who use our critical thinking skills. We see the Republicans for the liars and frauds that they are, but those of you who vote for them can’t seem to handle the truth. You actually believe that the Republicans are doing the right thing. I don’t whine about Republicans. If anything, I whine because we have people in this country like you who are stupid enough to believe the Republicans, when anyone with an IQ in the three-digit range could see they’re lying.
And those of us who do not live in Massachusetts had no say whatsoever in who they sent to Congress. But, to be perfectly honest, I’m happy that Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy keep getting re-elected. At least those two men care about what happens to average Americans, unlike the people you support.
Hope you enjoyed your drive-by trolling.
Well Wayne I take this on one part at a time. You hate Republicans because they are Liars and Frauds. Tim Gaitner, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chris Dodd, Ted Kenedy, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstien, Harry Reid, and I can go on right through most of the Democratic leadership and point to Illegal activities and or breaches in ethics. You blame the world of problems on the Republicans but you liberal Socialist hold no high ground on Ethics.
Next, I don’t live in Mass. You made the assumption that I did. You think that the Actions made by Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy only affect people in Massachusetts. How small minded you must be. They sponsor bills and make decisions that affect the whole country. That show’s me that you have little grasp of the real world.
I have no illusions that the Democrats are going to pass this Massive, Massive spending bill. You don’t need the Republican party to pass this bill. You have control of the Congress and the Executive branch and most of the Judicial branch. If you think that we Republicans are just going away your delirious. You only got 54% of the vote in the last election and not all of those were Democrats. Us 46% will continue to try and give input into how this country should be run. You SEE we live in this country also and we are not going anywhere. We had to put up with George Bush just like you did.
To claim that it’s all the Republicans fault shows you’re totally bias in you judgment. How about the past 2 years of Democrat rule where you spent more time on holding hearings instead of doing the Peoples Business. A Democrat vendetta while the country began it’s economic slide regardless of who was at fault. Of course the great thinkers that you are you only chose to Blame George Bush for all your problems but sat back and let it all happen so you could win an election.
That brings me to this conclusion. Democrats sacrificed the country and the economy to win an election so don’t think that for one instance you Idiots were blameless in all this.
To quote you Liberals “we won”. Yes You won so do something and stop your whining.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:46 amBarney Frank and Ted Kennedy keep getting re-elected. At least those two men care about what happens to average Americans, unlike the people you support.
OBTW Barney Frank was partly responsible for the Mortgage industry collapse. He’s an Idiot and a liar. He started us down this path of economic collapse. Of course that’s OK with you because he supports your Socialist views and programs. I’m sure you love those two Socialist Liberals just like the Russians loved Karl Marx and the Germans loved Adolf.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:50 amAnd the Ole Perfesser demonstrates that if he encounters new fact that would force him to alter his worldview, he prefers to stick with the worldview and ignore the facts.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:00 amralph the wonder llama Says:
And the Ole Perfesser demonstrates that if he encounters new fact that would force him to alter his worldview, he prefers to stick with the worldview and ignore the facts.
I see no facts there in any of these posts, just hate and ignorance. And I see absolutely none in yours.
What’s the Problem Ralphy? Your wit leaving you? This site is not interested in anything more that bashing Republicans and blaming George Bush for all our problems. That’s why I’m here. I’m here because, Trojan, dbdumbass, the llama jamma, and all you other hate mongers and narrow minded Socialist are here.
Hey! You won. Go do something. You don’t need the Republicans. Quit the whining. It hurts my ears.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:09 amI agree, ralph. You know, for someone who “poses” as a “professor”, he sure seems to have a great many reading comprehension problems. I re-read what I wrote and compared it to what he said I wrote, and I can’t find most of it.
For example, he says, “You blame the world of problems on the Republicans but you liberal Socialist hold no high ground on Ethics.” I did no such thing, not even close.
He says, “Next, I don’t live in Mass. You made the assumption that I did.” I would like him to quote me where I said that. Again, not even close.
He then continues, “You think that the Actions made by Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy only affect people in Massachusetts. How small minded you must be.” No, I’m not the one being “small-minded”, as I never made the claim he said I made. I understand perfectly well that elected federal officials write legislation affecting all Americans (which is why I said, “At least those two men care about what happens to average Americans, unlike the people you support.” To me, that would imply that I understand they don’t write legislation that only affects the people of their state.)
I could go on deconstructing the rest of his insane ramblings, but I think you get my point. Whatever he was rsponding to, most of it won’t be found in my post.
If I were an actual professor, I would want to sue him for defamation of character by claiming to be a professor himself. Maybe he’s a “professor” at Regent University.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:16 amQuit the whining. It hurts my ears.
ralph,
He must be one of those people who has to read things out loud to understand them. Because I don’t see how using your eyes can hurt your ears.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:19 amI see. That’s a little better. You’re not deliberately ignoring facts; you’re just bind to them for some reason.
Still, the effect is the same.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am(that would be BLIND to them, of course. My bad.)
February 9th, 2009 at 11:34 amWayne, I suspect our friend’s little temper tantrum there in #140 has a lot to do with his finding out that he wasn’t going to be able to post on an abandoned thread without having anyone rebut him. I’ve seen that tactic before; a particularly spineless (or under-equipped) troll seeks out a thread with no activity, from which everyone else has moved on. They proceed to rebut everything anyone said to them, hoping that they get in the last word. Pathetic really.
Of course, there is another possibility — that our professorial friend here actually chose his name and operates out of jealousy. He clearly lacks a professorial mind, but perhaps he wishes he had one, and he hopes by taking a strategic screen name, he will garner some meager respect to which he’s otherwise not entitled, and by projecting his opinions with pomposity and derision, their inherent ignorance will be overlooked.
If so, it’s ain’t workin’.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:42 am…and he hopes by taking a strategic screen name, he will garner some meager respect to which he’s otherwise not entitled, and by projecting his opinions with pomposity and derision, their inherent ignorance will be overlooked.
That is precisely how conservative think tanks work. They hide behind the illusion of “academia” and try to convince people that their policy papers are the result of non-partisan, let-the-facts-take-us-where-they-will thinking. Not true at all. They publish papers and provide people to the media to promote a conservative view, not to educate people on the facts.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:54 amYou liberals like to stroke each other. Liberals being liberals.
You only post nonsense that you consider facts. You never consider any opposing views unless they come from another liberal.
Youre(trojan will come here and correct me for that so don’t worry) Idiots who hide in these Liberal sites.
I have the guts to come here and confront you Liberal Anti-Republican bigots. Shine the light so to speak.
I’m here because your(damn I did it again) all here. Lets see now all you good little Bundest’s, stroke, stroke, stroke. Ha Ha Ha Ha. March in lockstep. Get that boot up in the air.
Your all jokes.
You wouldn’t recognize a facts if it sh*t in your faces.
Liberals. Whine whine whine whine. Geez it hurts may ears.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pmAm I playing the game right? Isn’t that what you people do? Hey I just want you to feel at home.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pmLiberal playbook page 21. “When confronting the oposition and they’re not intimidated by your attacks, post among youselves and try to demean and demoralize them that way.”
Page 42 paragraph 2. “keep throwing the word facts at your opponent like you are really interested in the facts. Make them try and back up their words with URL’s”
How my doing guys or should I say Gals.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Hey! You “won” stop your whining. What a bunch of crybabies.
Oh Geez. Obies’ on TV again. The Dow just dropped. Hey would someone out there tell him that the Campaign is over and it’s time to get to work. There are soldiers dieing and people are out of work. I know he’s getting his jollies flying around on Air force One but that costs us tax payers money. I need to pay my mortgage and get some gas. His last three speeches are all clones.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pmGeez so many typo’s in that last one. Hey Trojan you really need to come here and straighten me out. I’m missing so much when I proof my posts. Oh well you bigots don’t even try half the times so I’m not really going to worry about it ither.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pmA rather uncharitable assertion, but then, conservatives are not known for being charitable in their assessments of others.
Still, an assertion that could apply equally well to conservatives, as places like RedState and TownHall demonstrate.
Nonsense like:
Republicans had complete control of government during the years when you claim Barney Frank sabotaged the banking system?
or like this bit of nonsense masquerading as a fact that Wayne offered above:
A Dept of Education falls under the purpose of providing for the general Welfare, found in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
or this impressive collection that idle crank contributed:
Funny how Reno, NEVADA is forcing its firefighters to take a 2.1% pay cut along with other cuts in order to save 36 jobs. The Reno, NEVADA city council voted to cut 36 firefighter jobs and close one fire station unless the firefighters took a pay cut, started to pay for their own specialized equipment. In Sparks, NEVADA, the city laid off 35 workers. While none were firefighter or police, many did work for the police department. Funny how Sen. John Ensign (R-NEVADA) doesn’t even know what’s going on in his own state of NEVADA. Over in California, the city of Stockton is dismissing 29 police officers. Yep, 29 police officers. So much for Ensign knowing what he’s talking about.
“Nonsense” masquerading as facts like those? No wonder you’re blind to them.
Youre(trojan will come here and correct me for that so don’t worry) Idiots who hide in these Liberal sites.
I’m confident a neutral observer would be able to assess the relative merit of liberal and conservative contributions to this forum and would reach the opposite conclusion. But for now, that’s just opinion. You’ll forgive me (well, no, you probably won’t ) if, in my judgment, your opinion is fairly worthless. I base this on the body of your work, as one should base such a judgment.
We all admire the courage it takes to create an email address, chose a grandiose screen name and call other people idiots.
That’s a ton of risk to self and safety there. Bravo.
Have you ever heard of the psychological principle of projection? What am I saying? Of course you have — you’re a professor! Still, it might be worth a look just to refresh your memory.
We will give your assessment the attention and gravity it deserves. thanks for your concern.
Again with the visual thing hurting your ears? Might you have a touch of synesthesia?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pmThat’s okay, professorish-guy. Typos are only one indication of the intelligence of a poster, and a minor one at that. True, it is amusing when someone insults the intelligence of others in a post rife with misspellings, but generally, if the ideas are sound, we recognize that typos plague us all.
It’s the ideas that you chose to promote that really serve as the clear signpost of your level of intellect.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm#
ralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
Geez so many typo’s in that last one. Hey Trojan you really need to come here and straighten me out. I’m missing so much when I proof my posts. Oh well you bigots don’t even try half the times so I’m not really going to worry about it ither.
That’s okay, professorish-guy. Typos are only one indication of the intelligence of a poster, and a minor one at that. True, it is amusing when someone insults the intelligence of others in a post rife with misspellings, but generally, if the ideas are sound, we recognize that typos plague us all.
It’s the ideas that you chose to promote that really serve as the clear signpost of your level of intellect.
Ralphy I think if you look at my very first posts here that it was you Liberals who made the assumptions on my intelligence not me. I only countered with a tidbit of my background when you idiots became judgmental. Yes I do teach, yes I have a real PHD, yes I mainly give lectures and it’s in advanced studies. No I’m not perfect, nor am I a genius. Yes I am opinionated and yes you liberals who think you hold the high ground in ethics make me laugh. History has proven that you don’t.
No I don’t rely on URL’s to make my points. I’m old enough to form my own opinions which are just as valid as some nitwit at CNN or MSNBC (totaly bias) or nitwits here.
You know Ralphy, you liberals are all the same.
I am a Vet, served many years in the military. I suffer from a disability from agent orange that causes me some discomfort. I really don’t care if I make a mistake in grammar or in spelling. I try not to but it happens.
I’m just a guy who has worked hard, studied, struggled through life like everyone else. Do I think that I’m better than you? No. Do I cry and whine about everything? No way.
I read the posts here and all I see is Hate, ridicule and an air of superiority from you Liberals. In reality you people are no better than those you hate. One more thing. Hate can be all consuming. Be careful.
My IQ is 110 the last time I checked. Just average. Nothing special. No I will never divulge where I work to people filled with such hate. Sorry but I’m not that stupid.
But geez Ralphy. You people whine here but do nothing. How many calls did you make to your Reps this month? I made quite a few.
My comments are for all of you judgementalists here. dbadass,Rich, wayne and the rest. Just having some fun with Liberals. Doing some research and voicing an opinion. Now go cut me to pieces like you Liberals do. That’s why I’m here. I’m here because you’re here. (see I can get it right when I want to).
You won. Get to it. Stop the whining.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pmYou don’t need the Republicans.
Oh I left something out. I’m doing research for a book about a “Liberal handbook” to be used to counter Conservative thought on the internet. I hope to have it completed before the next election in two years.
I may even make a mention of Professorj in it. Your material here is priceless. It makes good lecture material also. That is why you people will never hear one of my lectures.
Your minds couldn’t handle it from what I have read on most of the sites that I visit. Thanks by the way, I never heard of green football. I’ll have to check it out.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pmprofessor-type guy, it’s weird that you quote me saying “It’s the ideas that you chose to promote that really serve as the clear signpost of your level of intellect.” and then proceed to criticize us about making assumptions of your intelligence. And then you go on to make the wildly unsupportable statement, “You know Ralphy, you liberals are all the same.” thus conveniently providing an example of the type of idea by which we judge your intellect.
You go on to say, “You people whine here but do nothing” with, again, no foundation for that statement but your own prejudice. And in the next breath you call us “judgmentalists”.
Seems to me if someone wants to be taken seriously, he should refrain from indulging in the kinds of behaviors he criticizes in others.
Just a thought.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:54 pmGood luck with that. I understand those right-wing think tanks by those kinds of books by the truckload, so you may have a hot seller on your hands if you play your cards right.
I trust that if you use material from this site, you’ll have the courtesy to credit the posters? But I’m not really following the “why” we will never hear one of your lectures. Is it because it’s given in the dog-whistle language that you guys enjoy so much?
Again, not really sure where you get this judgment, or what it means that we “couldn’t handle” what you read on other sites.
Of course, you never did explain what it was in the couple of posts from dbadass that convinced you he “couldn’t handle” rational debate when you first arrived, so i suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.
Bottom line, professorish-guy, astute readers can generally tell when a writer uses language with intelligence, wit and a sense of craft, and they can usually tell when their is intelligence and sound ideas behind prose. Your claims to have taught college may be true, they may not. We have no way of verifying that. So all we have on which to judge the truth or value of what you say is in the language itself and the way you express yourself. Just like all you have to judge any of us is what we post. (Which means that deciding we’re all the same shows either laziness or stupidity. Or maybe just an inability to break free from prejudices.)
Do you really think your prose on here is compelling evidence that it was composed by a learned individual?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pmFor the record, professorj, I am expressly denying you permission to use my name or comments in your little red handbook that you’re writing. If I ever find either there, you can expect a lawsuit.
“I have the guts to come here and confront you Liberal Anti-Republican bigots.”
And I have the guts to post my comments under my real name. You hurl invective anonymously.
I am Liberal (Liberal-Libertarian, actually), I am not registered with any political party, and I am Anti-Republican. But that’s because, unlike you, I can see the Republican Party as the bunch of hypocritical liars they are. They don’t give a damn about you unless you’re among the wealthy elite or you own or run a large corporation. That is a simple fact.
BTW, we’ve heard trolls coming here trying to lay out pretty much the same backstory (I’m a professor, and a Vietnam Vet, blah-blah-blah). Okay, if you really are a Vietnam Vet, then I sincerely thank you for your service to our country. But if you’re really a professor, I’d hate to be one of your students.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pmOf course, you never did explain what it was in the couple of posts from dbadass that convinced you he “couldn’t handle” rational debate when you first arrived, so i suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.
ralph,
Maybe he figured out that dbadass is one of the best at confronting the trolls.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:15 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professor-type guy, it’s weird that you quote me saying “It’s the ideas that you chose to promote that really serve as the clear signpost of your level of intellect.” and then proceed to criticize us about making assumptions of your intelligence. And then you go on to make the wildly unsupportable statement, “You know Ralphy, you liberals are all the same.” thus conveniently providing an example of the type of idea by which we judge your intellect.
You go on to say, “You people whine here but do nothing” with, again, no foundation for that statement but your own prejudice. And in the next breath you call us “judgmentalists”.
Seems to me if someone wants to be taken seriously, he should refrain from indulging in the kinds of behaviors he criticizes in others.
Just a thought.
Thank you Ralphy for making my point. You Liberals are all the same. An observation not a judgment. I don’t have a URL to back that statement up with. My justification is in the posts here on this site.
Once again Ralphy it was you who brought my intellect into question here not me. It’s gong to be in chapter 6 of my book. (it’s OK to question the intelligence of your foe when nothing else fails to frightens him off) Again you attempt to deflect what has happened with your statements. Again I counter with the posts that you made in the past to support my position.
I’m just playing your game Ralphy.
You mock my name here I counter with Ralphy.
You question my integrity here, I counter by questioning yours. You call me names, I counter by calling you names.
You question my intelligence, I question yours. See how it works Ralphy.
I came clean in my post above about who I am. I didn’t have to. I thought I would give you some personal information about myself. You haven’t yet. I knew you would try and turn an honest statement to your Liberal advantage and you did.
Liberals are all alike. I have had it happen to me on a dozen different sites. You have to criticize a Republican because it’s what you people do. Republicans do it also. No one is without blame here. It’s how we exist. It’s how we make yourselves feel better because deep back in our minds we know that you are also to blame for what is going on in the world. It’s easier to put the blame on someones Color, ethnicity, or political view or a single person like George Bush.
It’s not the substance of the post a person makes because anything can be backed up by a URL. I don’t live by URL’s as liberals do. How many times have you typed here “back up your information” Ralphy? I hear it constantly.
An opinion and an observation doesn’t have to be backed up by some sacred source. All sources are biased one way or another. If I stood up before my class next week and said “ProfessorJ says this is how he sees it” and some student quotes me and it becomes part of the general knowledge as an opinion from a Professor. Is it bias or not? So it is with all information that is circulated though out the internet.
Do you have to be Nancy Pelosi with her 500 million jobs lost a month statement that she made or John McCains statement about being in Iraq for the next 100 years that was taken out of context and spread all over the internet. It’s a fact that it was said. Is it the truth?
How about the statement that George Bush supposedly said about the Constitution being just a piece of paper. He never said it. It was a made up story that the author later recanted. Yet it is all over the internet and Liberals still quote it as fact. If it is repeated long enough then it becomes fact. Propagandist in Germany knew that. They used it just like the Liberals in this country use it. Is it the right thing to do. No. Is it constantly being done? Yes. Do Republican do it? Of course they do but it is most prevalent in certain venues that are Anti-Republican. Can I back that up with a URL. No. Is it from personal experience? Yes.
Everything I posted in #153 was an attempt to open up to you guys.
You continue to take my observation and try and make it into something more than it is. You made my point.
It’s the argument with a Republican that drives you. Admit it. It’s the argument with the liberals that drives me. The thing is that I recognize that simple little fact.
It has a big influence in my lectures. When I’m finished some people are a little more understanding. Some become more obstinate, and some leave with unchanged opinions.
I can’t help that. They all are made to face their own positions and how they handle them.
Lecture is Over. Now go do what you are obviously going to do. Or not.
Excuse the typo’s Trojan but feel free to add them to you condescending list that you keeping.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmHow about the statement that George Bush supposedly said about the Constitution being just a piece of paper. He never said it. It was a made up story that the author later recanted. Yet it is all over the internet and Liberals still quote it as fact.
I would like to know where you learned that this story wasn’t true. I know that means providing a URL, which is ananthema to you, but how else can I learn? As far as I know, I have never heard anyone say that story wasn’t true, so I would like to know where you heard that.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pmprofessorj:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:12 pmIf you don’t wish folks to wonder about that name, try to keep your story straight. If I remember correctly you have so far claimed that enrollment in your courses is way up becuase the students were alledgedly sseking out your conservative no typical leftist professorial indoctrination but then you contridicted yourself and claimed you are semiretired and not actively instructing any more. Can we get a straight sorry on how things work down there at Fantasy U. I have no problem with alternative views/opinions. I have a problem with liars…
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
How about the statement that George Bush supposedly said about the Constitution being just a piece of paper. He never said it. It was a made up story that the author later recanted. Yet it is all over the internet and Liberals still quote it as fact.
I would like to know where you learned that this story wasn’t true. I know that means providing a URL, which is ananthema to you, but how else can I learn? As far as I know, I have never heard anyone say that story wasn’t true, so I would like to know where you heard that.
Thanks wayne you just made a very important point. Yes the story wasn’t true. It was made up. You do your own research. It will be good for you. It’s not hard to find just Google “Bush says the Constitution is just a piece of paper” Look for an unbiased source and then read. Don’t go to Media matters or Move on Dot Org. If you can’t find it I will be happy to do the foot work that you should have done before spreading the lie.
Hey Ralphy. See what I was talking about. Wayne thinks he had the facts. He heard it from someone or saw it posted somewhere in a liberal blog. Now is it the truth or a lie? To Wayne who has been using this story to bash President Bush has to rethink the statements he made about it.
He wants me to do the research for him that he should have done for himself when he first heard the story. He just turned and ran with it because it justified his hatred for the Republicans.
To him it was the truth and a fact.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pmSo you don’t have a link, either, professorj. Just so you know, I have been tryign to research that comment. The original story I read said that the writer confirmed with three different people that it was true. I have seen other things that say that one of the sources this author used was giving him bogus information, but nowhere does it say that this bogus source was the source of the quote (which, again, was supposedly confirmed by three people.)
Now, I would like to see somethign definitive that backs up what you say. I already tried theh Frank Hagen story, and his account is short on details. In fact, he seems to be making the leap that this bogus source was the source of the quote in question. Not convincing enough for me, as he actually proved nothing. (He just says the story is false, like you do.)
So, I’m taking you up on your generous offer. I want to learn the truth, so give me a link that PROVES Bush never said that.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:24 pmIs it easy to just go to google and search Clinton’s trash whitehouse or Gore claims to have invented the internet?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pmdbadass Says:
professorj:
If you don’t wish folks to wonder about that name, try to keep your story straight. If I remember correctly you have so far claimed that enrollment in your courses is way up becuase the students were alledgedly sseking out your conservative no typical leftist professorial indoctrination but then you contridicted yourself and claimed you are semiretired and not actively instructing any more. Can we get a straight sorry on how things work down there at Fantasy U. I have no problem with alternative views/opinions. I have a problem with liars…
How you carry on Dickie.
Yes I am semi Retired and yes my classes and lectures a booked. How’s that dbdumbass?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pmSo what are the titles of these classes and on what days and times do they met and at what institute of higher learning. Now don’t go pulling that I can’t tell you that shit as it makes you look weak and afraid as well as a liar. I would also be interested in your own education and how you came to teach said courses at said university.
That fractured sentence you offered didn’t really clarify anything.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pmBush quote bogus (”Constitution is just a ***-damned piece of paper”)
July 22nd, 2006 Goto comments Leave a comment One of the most famous quotes allegedly showing President Bush’s real frame of mind has proven to be false, a lie from (we are told) a source that proved not to be credible. Because the source doesn’t exist.
Capitol Hill Blue’s Apology for the mistake doesn’t actually mention the quote itself. But with a hat tip to Classical Values, we now see that Capitol Hill Blue (CHB) has quite a bit to explain.
CHB simply removed the story, which used to be Article 7779 according to Google’s cache of the site. Now, as of this writing, the page has no article on it, and just the current date with the site’s motto. It will be interesting to see, if in the weeks ahead, the numerous web pages citing the bogus quote will issue their own retraction. CHB is busy excising the quote, which they used repeatedly in many of their stories, and appending a disclaimer that the article had been edited since publication. But they don’t mention in those various edits that it is the very famous “piece of paper” quote that was excised.
Now there are qeustions about whether the CHB editor, William D. McTavish, really exists. But I’ll leave that to the good folks like those at Classical Values.
I hereby certify that I do exist, and will clearly and prominently post any corrections within the context of the original post. Bloggers would be well advised to do so, as the Internet is a place with a very long memory, what with competing bloggers, Google’s cache, and the Internet Wayback Machine at Archive.org.
The interesting thing about this story is that, for all their focus on mistakes being “lies”, GHB doesn’t simply come out and say they lied. They say they were ill informed, that the source seemed credible, and they ran with the story. Oh, make that STORIES. Not once, but over years of publishing, they quoted a man who never taught at the university he claimed to be at, never served in the administrations he claimed to serve in and never, evidently, showed up in any of the directories readily available. They trusted a source they never met with, never talked “voice” with, but merely exchanged emails with, and on issues as important as a purported quote of GWB saying the Constitution is just a “***-damned piece of paper”.
The hysterical left is repeatedly citing the lack of the predicted WMD in Iraq as a “lie” the President told. A lie is an intentional mistruth, something you say even though you know its not true. A mistake is something you’ve said that you believed was true.
CHB and GWB have the same problem, in that they trusted sources who turned out to be wrong. But in the case of the President, his sources weren’t simply lying to him, and he knew they were real people. They truly believed there were WMD, as evidenced by the universal nature of the assessment by our intelligence agencies, past Administrations, statements by Democrat leaders (including former President Bill Clinton), and foreign intelligence agencies.
In the case of CHB, they trusted not only a liar, but a cyber buddy who really doesn’t exist.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:41 pmdbadass Says:
So what are the titles of these classes and on what days and times do they met and at what institute of higher learning. Now don’t go pulling that I can’t tell you that shit as it makes you look weak and afraid as well as a liar. I would also be interested in your own education and how you came to teach said courses at said university.
That fractured sentence you offered didn’t really clarify anything
Who are you dumbass? What do you do? What makes you think I should answer to you?
You hold no power over me dumbass. Get a life. Nothing I will ever say here is going to satisfy you.
I’ve taught many classes. I’ve gave many lectures on many subjects. Why I even gave a lecture at a Government military organization on “Religion and the Political environment” right after 9/11. I don’t owe you any explanations you putz.
Take a hike.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:48 pmprofessorj,
As a college professor, you should understand the ramifications of plagiarism. You need to cite your sources, which you failed to do here.
I do recognize that post, however, as the very same Frank Hagen piece that I said was short on details. I just read it a few mionutes ago while trying to find a credible source that says the quopte isn’t real.
Hagen’s main argument is that the guy whop wrote the post attributing the Constitution quote to Bush said he checked with three people who were there and they confirmed it. He also wrote another post in which he said that one of his longtime sources turned out to be false. He took down all the posts in which he quoted that source. That doesn’t, in and of itself, prove that the bad source was the source of the Constitution quote. “Capitol Hill Blue’s Apology for the mistake doesn’t actually mention the quote itself.”
Do you have any others? And please do give the URL from which you are copying all this proof. That college you teach at would appreciate it, I’m sure.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:50 pmWhy I even gave a lecture at a Government military organization on “Religion and the Political environment” right after 9/11. I don’t owe you any explanations you putz.
Give us the name of the “Government military organization” and the date on which you gave the lecture. We should be able to confirm it from there. Thank you.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:52 pmOf course what you say will. Just point me to the evidences to make me think you are not full of shit. I will offer you every respect as I am not afraid of alternative thought. I just don’t buy bullshit. You won’t do it and you know it. The way I see it you will be tagged as a bullshitter and the fake prof premise will hound you till you change names yet again.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:56 pmNot sure how I made your point — which point is that, exactly? It certianly wasn’t your point that liberals “only post nonsense”, because I think I pretty thoroughly rebutted that one.
I can see your exceedingly precise argument — that an observation is not a judgment. Yet is it not true that a judgment should be based on an observation? otherwise, it’s just an opinion., and an uninformed one at that.
Is there something inherently wrong with bringing ones intellect into question, if there is sufficient cause?
And why do you say I have been trying to “frighten you off”? Are you usually frightened by reasonable discourse? Detailed questions? Requests for clarification?
As I’ve explained, I based my judgment of your evident intellect on my observations and assessment of what you have typed here. I’ve even pointed out some specific examples of your posts that led me to certain conclusions on that question. I think that’s fair. That’s generally how humans make judgments about their surroundings. For instance, you say, ” I counter with the posts that you made in the past to support my position.” but you don’t bother to actually counter with any examples, even though they should be easy to find. That observation leads me to judge that you are less interested in actually making a point convincingly than in simply stating your belief as forcefully as you can imagine.
Two things to say here:
One, you again make a broad-brush, unqualified generalization with no support other than your perspective. It’s a generalization that adds nothing to any discussion. in fact, it detracts from it, which may be your purpose. Had you said something specific like, “in my experience, liberals are all alike in their criticism of Republicans” that might have some meaning. It would still be intellectually flaccid, but it would at least have some foundation from which to build an argument.
The second thing is, you seem to seek to dismiss all criticism as invalid simply because it is predictable. This is not a logical position. Criticism may be completely predictable and still be valid. Yet all you address is the predictability part, and you never refute the validity of it.
This is about the most ridiculous thing you’ve ever typed here, and that’s going a ways. First of all, not all sources are biased, unless you agree that reality has a liberal bias. Facts are facts.
Opinions need not be backed up by “some sacred source” but they gain an intellectual heft, some compelling authority, when they do. Not all opinions are equal. More experienced, better informed and more solidly reasoned opinions should carry more weight than those that spring from personal observation alone. Obviously you have no hope of convincing any of us here that you’re right, so this probably doesn’t matter much to you. But your lack of confidence surely has nothing to do with the way you’ve seen us react to your reasoned, well-supported, well-crafted arguments, because you haven’t offered any — just repeated insistence that your opinion is fact and that we are stupid for not accepting that assertion.
You keep saying that your point is “made” but I have yet to see why you’re insisting this. It’s like you believe that if you say, it will be true.
Wrong. What drives me is twofold; one is the urge to figure out what people like you are thinking and how you reach the judgments you reach. It’s fascinating to me, and I have learned a lot about this over the years. The second thing that drives me is an opportunity to exercise my thinking and writing muscles.
I guess a distant third motivation is the belief that the positions I hold make good sense to me, and I figure they should make good sense to others if explained properly. This was probably my starting point in the educational part of this exercise. I have since learned a few things about the way people form their opinions.
I didn’t realize you are a Fatalist. But i suppose I should have guessed.
You keep mentioning that. It must be something that embarrasses you in some way. if it were insignificant, you’d ignore the subject.
But thanks for the lecture. I did what i think is my best to explain my position further. Whether it was effective or not remains to be seen. If the past behavior you’ve displayed is any indication, its impact will be minimal at best. But I’ll keep trying, if not with the professor-ish guy, then with the next conservative who thinks that claiming that liberals “only post nonsense” is the way to best represent conservative thought.
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Wayne A. Schneider Says:
professorj,
As a college professor, you should understand the ramifications of plagiarism. You need to cite your sources, which you failed to do here.
I do recognize that post, however, as the very same Frank Hagen piece that I said was short on details. I just read it a few mionutes ago while trying to find a credible source that says the quopte isn’t real.
Hagen’s main argument is that the guy whop wrote the post attributing the Constitution quote to Bush said he checked with three people who were there and they confirmed it. He also wrote another post in which he said that one of his longtime sources turned out to be false. He took down all the posts in which he quoted that source. That doesn’t, in and of itself, prove that the bad source was the source of the Constitution quote. “Capitol Hill Blue’s Apology for the mistake doesn’t actually mention the quote itself.”
Do you have any others? And please do give the URL from which you are copying all this proof. That college you teach at would appreciate it, I’m sure.
Nothing was ever confirmed. Those three people existed only in his mind to make his story credible. No one ever verified the statement. The story had to be retracted and it’s author never existed in reality. The story was a fake.
I didn’t plagiarize anything. You asked for assistance and I gave you some. I never claimed that it was my article but alas the Web site didn’t transfer from the site with the cut and paste. It is frankhagen.com. You already knew that though. If your familiar with the site then you also must be familiar with the origin of the story and the fact that no such person (the source of the story) ever existed or could ever be found to this day. If it can’t be verified it doesn’t exist according to you own twisted logic. It’s a myth. It can’t and won’t ever be verified Wayne. But you feel free to keep using it as I know you will.
It is one of those myths that has become the truth which only makes my point. You really need to get a life.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pmGet a life Wayne!
So pretend prof. What is your professional opinion as to the alledged trashing of the Whitehouse and the Gore claim of internet invention. Myth or reality? Oh and where do I sign up for your courses. I think they would be oh so intellectually stimulating…
February 9th, 2009 at 6:17 pmThe story originated at Capital Blue. It was never verified. The Author never existed and there were no verifiable sources to the statement ever found.
They removed the story in shame and erased any mention of it ever existing at their site.
Alas it had already been spread all over the internet. Too late. It is now true with hundreds of web sites quoting it.
Like a lie told in public it can never be retracted.
You believe what you want to believe if it make you feel better. Your argument is just a Liberal tactic. If a story came out that Obama said something like that you’d want 50 verifiable sources sworn statements and a Congressional investigation, but if it’s about George Bush then it must be true.
Your a bias idiot and a putz.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:20 pmdbadass Says:
Get a life Wayne!
So pretend prof. What is your professional opinion as to the alledged trashing of the Whitehouse and the Gore claim of internet invention. Myth or reality? Oh and where do I sign up for your courses. I think they would be oh so intellectually stimulating…
I’m not buying it dumbass. Do you think that Al Gore invented the Internet?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:22 pmprofessorish guy, why is it so difficult for you to read what Wayne is saying?
You make the exact same kind of argument that you accuse Wayne of making — a definitive judgment on the veracity of the story, and you offer the exact same level of authority to support it — an unverified report on a website — yet you criticize Wayne for failing to do “the foot work that you should have done before spreading the lie”
It’s also funny that you accuse wayne of spreading a lie, in effect, lying himself, yet above you said this:
The hysterical left is repeatedly citing the lack of the predicted WMD in Iraq as a “lie” the President told. A lie is an intentional mistruth, something you say even though you know its not true. A mistake is something you’ve said that you believed was true.
Why do you give the president the benefit of the doubt and assume that he believed what he said was true, even though it’s been documented that his intelligence services issued dozens of ambivalent findings on the question, yet you accuse Wayne of lying, even though you know nothing about him other than what he’s written on this (or his own) blog?
Isn’t it at least possible that Wayne believed the story to be true, just as you say Bush believed, that the WMD reports were true? And thus Wayne should be given the same benefit of the doubt and not be accused of spreading a lie?
Or don’t you believe in a consistent standard of judging behavior across party lines?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:24 pmI just LOVE it when trolls call others idiots in posts with bad grammar. it’s like a tasty little troll truffle.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:26 pmIf I were the type to make broad-brush generalizations, I might say that conservatives are all the same — they call others idiots in posts with bad grammar.
But that’s not how I roll.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pmRalph. I’m not going to justify your reply to # 172.
Sorry. I tried.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
Your a bias idiot and a putz.
I just LOVE it when trolls call others idiots in posts with bad grammar. it’s like a tasty little troll truffle.
I’m gladyou enjoied it. Trojan is keeping score.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:31 pmNothing was ever confirmed. Those three people existed only in his mind to make his story credible. No one ever verified the statement. The story had to be retracted and it’s author never existed in reality. The story was a fake.
I believe you are conflating two different stories. First there is the quote about the constitution which, the author of the article, says was confirmed by three different people. Second, there was this Terrence Wilkerson source who, it turns out, was a fraud. The “Constitution…paper” story was not, as far as I can tell, attributed only to Wilkerson (who did not exist). It is only you who is claiming that he made up the fact that three people verified it.
Is there anybody on the internet besides Frank Hagen who can provide proof of what you said? (And, please, try to provide a link. It makes verifying what you said easier. Unless, of course, wasting my time is your entire purpose.)
BTW, Frank Hagen is a moron, judging by his assertions that Bush didn’t lie because everyone else “honestly believed” there were WMD in Iraq. The intel that everyone else was allowed to see was heavily edited to present the strong impression that Saddam had WMD. It even removed any qualifiers that would cast doubt on that theory. [Statements along the lines of "He may be developing WMD..." were changed to "He is developing WMD...".]
Got any other proof that Bush never called the Constitution “just a Goddamned piece of paper”?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:31 pmIt’s also funny that you accuse wayne of spreading a lie, in effect, lying himself, yet above you said this:
The hysterical left is repeatedly citing the lack of the predicted WMD in Iraq as a “lie” the President told. A lie is an intentional mistruth, something you say even though you know its not true. A mistake is something you’ve said that you believed was true.
I didn’t say that it was in the article. I posted the complete article. Of course you already knew that didn’t you Ralphy?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:34 pmDo you think that Al Gore invented the Internet?
Al Gore NEVER claimed to have invented the internet. The right wing distorted something he said about creating the initiative that brought about the internet, but he never claimed to have invented the internet. BTW, most of us knew that story was a lie.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:35 pmEvening ralph.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:36 pmI am sort of on the fence. In your professional opinion is pretend prof ammusing or just absurd? Well amusingly absurd might be an option I suppose. Me I am losing interest real quickly.
best to the llama’s
I think all of us knew that story was a lie. I was just wondering if the pretend profs google myth busting re: Bush’s constitution statement could be extrapolated
February 9th, 2009 at 6:40 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
And why do you say I have been trying to “frighten you off”? Are you usually frightened by reasonable discourse? Detailed questions? Requests for clarification?
Did I really say that? I don’t think so Ralphy. You can never frighten me off. I’m not intimidated.
I bet you have used that tactic with good result in the past though.
Chapter 6.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:49 pmI was correct about one thing Ralphy. You did attack my post with all your nonsense like I anticipated. You didn’t let me down.
Too bad you have that ego problem though. It’s a shame.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:52 pmprofessorj:
February 9th, 2009 at 6:56 pmDo you have suede patches on your corduroy jacket? Actually I was wondering who you thought might be interested in this book? I suggest buying them yourself by the palletload in an effort to artificially drive up the numbers. I hope that helps
dbadass Says:
I think all of us knew that story was a lie. I was just wondering if the pretend profs google myth busting re: Bush’s constitution statement could be extrapolated
It didn’t work did it dumbass. Here I am. One lone person surrounded by a bunch of Liberals.
I’m here because your here dumbass. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Extrapolated. Big word. I’m not impressed though. I would have used exploited. Extrapolate has too many references to math problems. Not commonly used in your context.
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February 9th, 2009 at 7:05 pmNo other sources besides Frank Hagen, professorj?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:07 pmtoo many references to math problems. Not commonly used in your context.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pm–
Odd. I am pretty good at statistics. Besides even if you aren’t you can always Chi square the living shit out of the dataset
dbadass Says:
professorj:
Do you have suede patches on your corduroy jacket? Actually I was wondering who you thought might be interested in this book? I suggest buying them yourself by the palletload in an effort to artificially drive up the numbers. I hope that helps
Well dumbass. My publisher thinks that it will have great interest by both Liberals and Conservatives if released at the correct moment.
Maybe by “piss-ants” like you and Ralphy even.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
No other sources besides Frank Hagen, professorj?
No need is there?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pmprofessorj Says:
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
No other sources besides Frank Hagen, professorj?
No need is there?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Since I pointed out the flaws in his reasoning, I’d say, “Yes, there is.”
February 9th, 2009 at 7:17 pmSince you won’t release the name of “Fantasy” U, I suppose it is safe to assume that Fantasy Publishing is all over this fantasy tome. Either way, I will play along. Do you have a working title and might we get an overview of the foundational thesis or is this thing purely fictional.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:17 pmThere are a thousand sites that quote it but it’s been removed from the site where it originated because it was a lie.
None of the sites that quote it as the truth can back it up.
What’s the point besides Bush is in Texas now sipping Ice tea on his ranch.
Obies the one who has to watch what he says now. Did you hear that he admitted he was a Muslim the other day. My father was a Muslim, My brother is a Muslim, my cousins are all Muslims.
Powerful stuff.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pmI guess I win.
is that how “the game” is played, professorish guy?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:23 pmdbadass Says:
Since you won’t release the name of “Fantasy” U, I suppose it is safe to assume that Fantasy Publishing is all over this fantasy tome. Either way, I will play along. Do you have a working title and might we get an overview of the foundational thesis or is this thing purely fictional.
The publisher is working on a couple but nothing has been selected yet.
Maybe I’ll call it “Dumbass Says This Book Doesn’t Exist”.
To quote Rachel Maddow “Yup”
February 9th, 2009 at 7:25 pmWhy, no, professor-type dude, I didn’t realize it was an entire article, because you neither did anything to set it off as something other than your comment, nor did you provide a URL or attribution.
As Wayne has pointed out, one might think someone from an academic background, as you claim to be, would be conscious of such details when using another’s work.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:27 pmI was kinda thinking of “The Liberal Playbook” “How to confront a Republican on the internet.”
My research is extensive. Maybe your posts will be in it. Ralphy’s will.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:29 pmTo be fair, no you didn’t say that. But in my defense, neither did i say that you were “intimidated”.
What you DID say was quoted above my comment:
Once again Ralphy it was you who brought my intellect into question here not me. It’s gong to be in chapter 6 of my book. (it’s OK to question the intelligence of your foe when nothing else fails to frightens him off)
One could reasonably infer that this is a sarcastic take on the pattern of my comments, which implies that I had been trying to frighten you off.
I think it’s a fair characterization of the quote to which i responded. Do you find it unfair?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:32 pmEvenin’ dbadass.
My position on the professed-professorish guy is that he is amusing, and even more so the more absurd he gets.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:33 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
It’s also funny that you accuse wayne of spreading a lie, in effect, lying himself, yet above you said this:
The hysterical left is repeatedly citing the lack of the predicted WMD in Iraq as a “lie” the President told. A lie is an intentional mistruth, something you say even though you know its not true. A mistake is something you’ve said that you believed was true.
I didn’t say that it was in the article. I posted the complete article. Of course you already knew that didn’t you Ralphy?
Why, no, professor-type dude, I didn’t realize it was an entire article, because you neither did anything to set it off as something other than your comment, nor did you provide a URL or attribution.
As Wayne has pointed out, one might think someone from an academic background, as you claim to be, would be conscious of such details when using another’s work.
I posted that the website didn’t transfer over from the cut and paste and sighted the source Ralphy. Sorry you missed it. Jumping to conclusions a usual. I never claimed it was my article.
Get a life.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:34 pmI’d appreciate it if you would pinpoint some of this “nonsense”.
I like to be able to improve my mind and my linguistic skills, and since I don’t recognize what I’ve typed as “nonsense”, I must have a blind spot. Would you be good enough to cite specific examples? Then i can adjust my rhetoric and communicate more effectively with you.
Thanks awfully.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:35 pmprofessorj:
February 9th, 2009 at 7:36 pmWhen do you anticipate going to press? I would so much like to purchase your learned piece. See I myself have done extensive research in the area of abnormal social behavior in electronic communities. I think your work may blend nicely with my own. I find that the unstable alienated disfunctional personalities of flesh/blood communities take on a new and often manifestly different demeanor when freed of the shackles which bind them in those real social interactions which cause them such inner turmoil. Often they try to assume grandeous personas which seem to attempt compensate for the inadequacies they feel amongst the living
professorj,
I know there are over two hundred comments on this thread, but as near as I can tell, you were the one who first brought up the Bush quote about the constitution, and you claimed it was made up. I asked for proof, and you refused. When pressed, you copied a long post from a source without attribution. The “proof” you cite does nothing to prove the point you were making.
I asked if you had any proof other than Frank Hagen, and again you refused to provide any. I suppose I could write to the guy who wrote the story, to see what he says about it. But I figure if someone did, his answer would have been posted by someone.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:36 pmThis site is tough to work with. Once the reply is posted you have no options to correct a mistake or problem like most forums do but I’m dealing with it. You should deal with it also.
Get a life. Thank you.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:37 pmGet a life Wayne.
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February 9th, 2009 at 7:39 pmOh, i disagree, professed-professorish dude. “Extrapolated” is a very useful word in this context, and moreover, imparts an entirely different meaning to the sentence than your suggestion..
“Extrapolated” in this context suggests taking a known quantity — a quote, say — and moving through successive levels of meaning, each logically following the last, to arrive at a defensible conclusion.
“Exploited” as you would like to insert, brings none of that sense of process, nor of logical connection, and simply implies a leveraging of content for a different purpose.
Not at all interchangeable. I’m surprised a professor doesn’t recognize this.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:42 pmWhat is it with Wayne and life? BTW: I wasn’t trying to disparage your sport. I was just throwing out some drew3rd bait
February 9th, 2009 at 7:46 pmprofessorj Says:
Get a life Wayne.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
You’re right. Chasing down lies posted by idiots is not a productive use of my time.
Since I can find no credible source that says the quote is false, and until I do, I choose to believe it is true.
I also choose to believe that you’re full of crap.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:46 pmYou’re right — I did jump to a conclusion. Had I read your comment carefully, I would have recognized it as a cut-and-paste job. It wouldn’t have been easy, though, since you failed to include an author’s name or, as Wayne has repeatedly pointed out, a URL. But the tipoff would have been the bit about “Goto comments Leave a comment “ which is an odd inclusion in a reasoned argument.
Personally, when I’m trying to support my own argument, I’ll do as much as I can to make my explanation clear. I’ll use the format buttons to set off a quote in either blockquote or italics, and I’ll use the “Link” button to create a hyperlink from a bit of text. I haven’t really found that process very challenging, and I think it helps get my meaning across.
Why did you have such trouble identifying the source of your cut-and-paste?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:48 pmI asked if you had any proof other than Frank Hagen, and again you refused to provide any. I suppose I could write to the guy who wrote the story, to see what he says about it. But I figure if someone did, his answer would have been posted by someone.
Hey there’s an idea. You find out who wrote the article. So far no one has been able to find the guy. CHB where the story originated can’t even find the guy to verify the story. My source is CHB who issued an apologized for running the story without verifying it first.
Yes you go do that. Find the guy who wrote the story and while your at it find his three sources.
Get a life. Putz.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:48 pmdbadass,
Was that on this thread? I must have missed it. :)
No problem. So, I guess this “professorj”-the-non-professor is as full of crap as some of our other trolls.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:49 pmdbadass, you’re right — this learned tome that the professed-professorish dude is working would make an excellent primary source for your research. you would of course cite him in the footnotes, correct?
This is really coming together. I’m excited to see it happen.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pmYa, I know. Again you fail to offer proof. Lets go at it this way. I say its a lie. You prove to me that it’s the truth. Nothing less than a written statement by the guy who wrote the story will do. No lefty Blogs or copied fake stories or articles.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:53 pmWhy is it that whenever the professed-professorish dude finds himself facing someone who asks for reasonable support for his claims, he tells them to “get a life”?
How did that tactic work for you in the oral defense portion of your dissertation, professorish? I bet that must have really intimidated the board, huh?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:54 pmPersonally, when I’m trying to support my own argument, I’ll do as much as I can to make my explanation clear. I’ll use the format buttons to set off a quote in either blockquote or italics, and I’ll use the “Link” button to create a hyperlink from a bit of text. I haven’t really found that process very challenging, and I think it helps get my meaning across.
Why did you have such trouble identifying the source of your cut-and-paste?
I explained that also. I didn’t notice that it didn’t appear at the top of the post until after it was posted. Had this been a true forum I would of corrected it but alas it’s not.
No second chances and no corrections allowed.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThat is a really nice perk of being a conservative. You get to make definitive claims and then demand that the other guy prove you wrong.
Did you guys have that written into your contract or what? Is that part of the “personal responsibility clause”?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:58 pmOh, so now he’s doing the tried-and-true troll tactic of asserting something, then insisting that we prove he’s lying.
That having been said, in doing my own research, I have found that FactCheck.org (a source I trust) has doubts about the veracity of the story, but mainly because they have doubts about the veracity of the author, Doug Thompson. So, I guess I won’t be quoting Bush on that anymore. I’ll just have to go by his actions which strongly suggest that he thinks of the Constitution as just a goddamned piece of paper.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_president_bush_call_the_constitution_a.html
I still think you’re full of crap, professorj. And you were the one who first brought up the Bush quote.
Thank you for nothing.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:59 pmOh, I see. It’s the website’s fault.
That must be part of the Republican “Personal Responsibility Clause” as well.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:59 pmWayne A. Schneider:
February 9th, 2009 at 7:59 pmSorry I was referencing the Senate ending debate thread.
best to the two of you.
Does she have a life?
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Why is it that whenever the professed-professorish dude finds himself facing someone who asks for reasonable support for his claims, he tells them to “get a life”?
How did that tactic work for you in the oral defense portion of your dissertation, professorish? I bet that must have really intimidated the board, huh?
Look Ralphy. You seem to be fixated on me. You need to get a life. Same as Wayne.
You two ask the same things over and over and like an idiot I try to answer them. I suggest that you get a life.
I supported my position but it’s just not good enough for you. So be it. It will never be good enough for you. You will always ask for more proof. You truly need to get a life.
I do just fine.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:09 pm#
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Wayne A. Schneider Says:
Nothing was ever confirmed. Those three people existed only in his mind to make his story credible. No one ever verified the statement. The story had to be retracted and it’s author never existed in reality. The story was a fake.
I believe you are conflating two different stories. First there is the quote about the constitution which, the author of the article, says was confirmed by three different people. Second, there was this Terrence Wilkerson source who, it turns out, was a fraud. The “Constitution…paper” story was not, as far as I can tell, attributed only to Wilkerson (who did not exist). It is only you who is claiming that he made up the fact that three people verified it.
Please back up your statement here. I need to see some proof that I have my stories mixed up.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:12 pmOpinions need not be backed up by “some sacred source” but they gain an intellectual heft, some compelling authority, when they do. Not all opinions are equal. More experienced, better informed and more solidly reasoned opinions should carry more weight than those that spring from personal observation alone. Obviously you have no hope of convincing any of us here that you’re right, so this probably doesn’t matter much to you. But your lack of confidence surely has nothing to do with the way you’ve seen us react to your reasoned, well-supported, well-crafted arguments, because you haven’t offered any — just repeated insistence that your opinion is fact and that we are stupid for not accepting that assertion.
Where is you proof Ralphy? Back it up for me would you please.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:13 pmWrong. What drives me is twofold; one is the urge to figure out what people like you are thinking and how you reach the judgments you reach. It’s fascinating to me, and I have learned a lot about this over the years. The second thing that drives me is an opportunity to exercise my thinking and writing muscles.
I guess a distant third motivation is the belief that the positions I hold make good sense to me, and I figure they should make good sense to others if explained properly. This was probably my starting point in the educational part of this exercise. I have since learned a few things about the way people form their opinions.
Where is your proof Ralphy. Back this up with some proof for me would you please.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:16 pmNeed I point out, you used that line already.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:16 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
Ya, I know. Again you fail to offer proof. Lets go at it this way. I say its a lie. You prove to me that it’s the truth.
That is a really nice perk of being a conservative. You get to make definitive claims and then demand that the other guy prove you wrong.
Did you guys have that written into your contract or what? Is that part of the “personal responsibility clause”?
Just what is your proof here Ralphy. Please back it up with something other than dribble?
February 9th, 2009 at 8:17 pmAnd exactly what sort of proof are you looking for on the subject of my own self-knowledge?
February 9th, 2009 at 8:18 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
So you don’t have a link, either, professorj. Just so you know, I have been tryign to research that comment. The original story I read said that the writer confirmed with three different people that it was true. I have seen other things that say that one of the sources this author used was giving him bogus information, but nowhere does it say that this bogus source was the source of the quote (which, again, was supposedly confirmed by three people.)
Now, I would like to see somethign definitive that backs up what you say. I already tried theh Frank Hagen story, and his account is short on details. In fact, he seems to be making the leap that this bogus source was the source of the quote in question. Not convincing enough for me, as he actually proved nothing. (He just says the story is false, like you do.)
So, I’m taking you up on your generous offer. I want to learn the truth, so give me a link that PROVES Bush never said that.
Where is your proof Wayne. I don’t see any. Please back this up. Your word means nothing to me. Back it up.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:19 pmOh, I get it. You demand “proof” of stuff that a normal person would recognize as sarcasm, or as personal revelation, as a rather simplistic way to mock us for asking you to provide proof of your definitive claims of fact.
You know, professorish dude, you are getting more and more amusing. Keep going.
Oh, I know — tell me to “get a life” again! That was hilarious!
February 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pmSo, I’m taking you up on your generous offer. I want to learn the truth, so give me a link that PROVES Bush never said that.
I’ll show you something that doesn’t exist just because it doesn’t exist. If it doesn’t exist then you need to prove that it does exist.
Back this up Wayne. I just can’t take your word here you know.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:22 pmEither the self-professed professorish dude missed the link that Wayne included to factcheck.org, or the self-professed professorish guy isn’t interested in actual information and is just “shaking the devil off”.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:24 pmSeems the pretend prof and I are the only ones that have a life…
February 9th, 2009 at 8:27 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
ralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
Ya, I know. Again you fail to offer proof. Lets go at it this way. I say its a lie. You prove to me that it’s the truth.
That is a really nice perk of being a conservative. You get to make definitive claims and then demand that the other guy prove you wrong.
Did you guys have that written into your contract or what? Is that part of the “personal responsibility clause”?
Just what is your proof here Ralphy. Please back it up with something other than dribble?
Oh, I get it. You demand “proof” of stuff that a normal person would recognize as sarcasm, or as personal revelation, as a rather simplistic way to mock us for asking you to provide proof of your definitive claims of fact.
You know, professorish dude, you are getting more and more amusing. Keep going.
Oh, I know — tell me to “get a life” again! That was hilarious!
Nothing normal here Ralphy. As per your request everything has to be backed up with proof so quit stalling and show some proof.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:27 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Either the self-professed professorish dude missed the link that Wayne included to factcheck.org, or the self-professed professorish guy isn’t interested in actual information and is just “shaking the devil off”.
I alrady read it but there is no proof that it is factual. Show the proof. I don’t see it.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:31 pmdbadass Says:
Seems the pretend prof and I are the only ones that have a life…
I demand proof of that statement. Proof badass. Only proof.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm(ralph sighs, humoring the self-professed preofessorish dude)
What kind of proof are you looking for?
February 9th, 2009 at 8:35 pmSo far none of you enlighted ones have shown me any proof for anything that your spouting here. You guys show me some proof. And none of that Liberal garbage either.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:36 pmOOOPS made a spelling error in that one. Hey Trojan count that one for me. To quick on the send button.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:38 pmpretend guy. Did you not see the word “seems”. I respect the llama and the opinions of the llama. Still I must say your weirdness is growing increasingly tiresome. Still I am intrigued by your effort as bizarre as it may be. I am working under the assumption that you have some twisted sense that you are somehow proving something somehow but I may be wrong. Might you be willing to have a dialogue regarding your motivations and by that I don’t mean some sort of weird “I am here becuase you are here” pseudoZen shit…
February 9th, 2009 at 8:39 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
Nothing normal here Ralphy. As per your request everything has to be backed up with proof so quit stalling and show some proof.
(ralph sighs, humoring the self-professed preofessorish dude)
What kind of proof are you looking for?
The same kind you idiots demand of me. No observations or opinions unless backed up by some facts and proof.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:39 pmYou know what we got here, dbadass?
It looks like we got us a CONVERT!
Self-professed professorish guy has converted to the church of PROVE IT!
But like all zealous converts, we must see if his conversion is genuine or not. Will he demonstrate his commitment to PROVE IT! by testifying about his own PROOF?
Or will he be a false prohet like Ted Haggard and preach the Gospel of PROVE IT on Sunday but the rest of the week sneak out to a crappy motel where he makes assertions of fact without being willing to PROVE THEM?
Could PROVE interesting.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pmY’know, I’m pretty sure that most of the lecturers I had in college, and most of the teachers I had in high school too, could tell the difference between a provable assertion of fact and a statement of self-revelation.
And I’m even more confident that most of them would recognize sarcasm and would find a demand to prove it empirically absurd in the extreme.
I find it curious that this self-professed professorish guy cannot tell the difference.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:44 pmdbadass, the self-professed professorish guy has been addressing absent posters for a while now.
Do you think this is evidence of some psychotic break? Should we get some help for our ivory-towered friend?
Or continue to torment him?
February 9th, 2009 at 8:46 pmdbadass Says:
pretend guy. Did you not see the word “seems”. I respect the llama and the opinions of the llama. Still I must say your weirdness is growing increasingly tiresome. Still I am intrigued by your effort as bizarre as it may be. I am working under the assumption that you have some twisted sense that you are somehow proving something somehow but I may be wrong. Might you be willing to have a dialogue regarding your motivations and by that I don’t mean some sort of weird “I am here becuase you are here” pseudoZen shit
I’m not buying it dumbass. Any statements you make have to be backed up with facts. This “seems” horseshit won’t get it. I say it’s my opinion and that doesn’t work for you idiots.
Facts not “seems” dumbass. Post the proof.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:46 pmSelf-professed professorish dude, you seem very committed to the idea of proof, even demanding proof of sarcastic statements and personal opinion expressed as such.
Yet you have studiously avoided providing any of the hard evidence for inherently provable claims of fact you have made recently.
Can you explain what appears to be a double standard? Can you legitimately demand such proof while resisting the same responsibility yourself?
February 9th, 2009 at 8:51 pmI wonder why someone of your level of learning would continue to hang around a community that had standards that fell so far short of what you demand of it.
Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to cut ones losses and move on to RedState or LGF.
Not that I’m suggesting that, of course. I hope you stay and provide us with many minutes more of entertainment.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:55 pmLook dbadass.
I tried to open a dialogue with you way back in post 173 or so. I tried to explain the reasons for my being here. Ralphy slammed it. Your not interested in open dialogue.
You just want to prove something. Now it facts only.
Unless you want to be a reasonable human who can listen to another persons opinion without demanding that he back up his every word with a URL.
Go back and read my post before it was chopped up by Ralphy. He doesn’t want a dialogue. He wants facts and URL’s.
Wayne also.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:56 pmI don’t know ralph. The pretend guy is so out there at this point that I am not sure we can ethically continue to f uck with his weird madeup ass. Now of course the madeup guy will ask for proof as that is the current obsession.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:58 pmYou just want to prove something
February 9th, 2009 at 9:01 pm—–
I have nothing to prove. Well other then that you are neither a professor nor an author but I think that was accomplished a long time ago…
ralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
So far none of you enlighted ones have shown me any proof for anything that your spouting here. You guys show me some proof. And none of that Liberal garbage either.
I wonder why someone of your level of learning would continue to hang around a community that had standards that fell so far short of what you demand of it.
Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to cut ones losses and move on to RedState or LGF.
Not that I’m suggesting that, of course. I hope you stay and provide us with many minutes more of entertainment.
Research Ralphy. Why is someone with your obvious intelligence want to banter with an old Professor who doesn’t exists?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:03 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
So far none of you enlighted ones have shown me any proof for anything that your spouting here. You guys show me some proof. And none of that Liberal garbage either.
I wonder why someone of your level of learning would continue to hang around a community that had standards that fell so far short of what you demand of it.
Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to cut ones losses and move on to RedState or LGF.
Not that I’m suggesting that, of course. I hope you stay and provide us with many minutes more of entertainment.
I’m having fun Ralphy. How about you? When I get what I’m looking for here I’ll move on to the next Liberal bastion of nonsense and start thing all over again.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:06 pmCan you define what you mean by “obvious intelligence”? It’s a little indistinct. And since you have repeatedly referred to me and my friends as “idiots” I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page here.
Thanks.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:06 pmprofessorj,
You can lighten up now, a$$hole. I already found what I needed about an hour ago.
So, I will state here and now, I believe that judging by George W. Bush’s actions as President, he believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper.
And that is a quote everyone can use, because it is true.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pmOh, okay. That makes sense now.
You never were to be taken seriously. Is my face red! Here I thought you were seriously advancing those ridiculous positions, and it turns out you were just funnin’ with us the whole time.
Well, you accused me of jumping to conclusions before, and you were right then and you’re right now.I jumped to a conclusion that you seriously meant the stuff you typed.
Y’know, in hindsight, it’s so clear that you were just fu(king around. I mean, making no sense, ignoring substantive responses, pretending no one proved anything… and all the typos! Well done. Ya fooled me.
But no hard feelings. It’s all in the name of research. Hey, if I see you here again, I’ll play along, okay? I’ll pretend that you’re serious when you post stupid shit. That way you can accumulate some more research.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:13 pmHey “Ralphy”
February 9th, 2009 at 9:13 pmDo I now have to start capitalizing llama and adding a y to it for no apparant reason?
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
professorj,
You can lighten up now, a$$hole. I already found what I needed about an hour ago.
So, I will state here and now, I believe that judging by George W. Bush’s actions as President, he believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper.
And that is a quote everyone can use, because it is true.
That’s your judgment and your opinion. It is not a fact that you can prove. I demand proof from you or you should stop making these ridiculousness comments. You opinion here means nothing unless it is backed up with proof. Where’s the URL?
So far you haven’t backed up anything that you have spewed all over this site with any verifiable proof.
This going into my book for sure. You betcha.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:16 pmI would remind you, professorj, that I am explicitly denying you permission to use my name or comments in anything you publish for profit.
(more to come)
February 9th, 2009 at 9:23 pmAnd, the actions of which I speak, the ones by which I judge that George W. Bush believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper are, among other things:
The USA PATRIOT Act – It eviscerates the Fourth Amendment
The Warrantless Wiretapping program(s) – American reporters were spied upon unconstitutionally. Fact.
The Military Commissions Act – Unconstitutional denial of habeas corpus
Authorized use of waterboarding against KSM, in violation of international treaties, which, in turn, is in violation of the US Constitution. Also, it’s a War Crime.
And, through his overuse of signing statements, he has effectively said that the laws he’s signing do not have to be obeyed if he’s acting as Commander-in-Chief, a claim completely unsupported by the Constitution.
That should be a good enough start.
I stand by my statement.
I believe that judging by George W. Bush’s actions as President, he believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pmUm… Wayne said it was his opinion. Is that the ground rule by which you would like to proceed — that no opinion can be offered (since the proof of an opinion is the utterance of it, and you won’t accept that)…
oh, wait… you’re fu(kin’ with us again, aren’t ya?
But doesn’t that invalidate the research if it’s gathered under falsified conditions?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pmCome on proffy guy, can’t you tell us the names of just three course you taught in your illustrious career. You know stuff like Intro to Zany Yet Poorly Supported Lies, Foundations of the Bizarre, Concepts in Contempory Electronic Foolishness…
February 9th, 2009 at 9:30 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
I’m having fun Ralphy. How about you? When I get what I’m looking for here I’ll move on to the next Liberal bastion of nonsense and start thing all over again.
Oh, okay. That makes sense now.
You never were to be taken seriously. Is my face red! Here I thought you were seriously advancing those ridiculous positions, and it turns out you were just funnin’ with us the whole time.
Well, you accused me of jumping to conclusions before, and you were right then and you’re right now.I jumped to a conclusion that you seriously meant the stuff you typed.
Y’know, in hindsight, it’s so clear that you were just fu(king around. I mean, making no sense, ignoring substantive responses, pretending no one proved anything… and all the typos! Well done. Ya fooled me.
But no hard feelings. It’s all in the name of research. Hey, if I see you here again, I’ll play along, okay? I’ll pretend that you’re serious when you post stupid shit. That way you can accumulate some more research.
I hinted to as much a couple days ago but you and the others here were just too consumed with the Liberal dogma that you were spouting. In fact you and the others were totally blinded by you dogma and hate for Conservative to see anything other ,how can I piss this guy off?
Don’t get me wrong Ralph. I blame both parties for the mess that this country is in. They are all responsible. The thing that pisses me off it that the Democrats blame it all on the Republicans. We have some good Ideas too you know? We also live in this country. We have a right to be heard. So far the Dems have tried to shut us out stating that it’s all our fault when it isn’t. The “WE won” crap only splits the Nation not heal the nation. It was going to be a healing process but so far it hasn’t happened in Washington and it isn’t happening on the internet, which much more powerful than most people think.
Make sense Ralph? Please don’t pick on the typo’s, Trojan will do that. He’s keeping score you know. :)
February 9th, 2009 at 9:31 pmdbadass Says:
Come on proffy guy, can’t you tell us the names of just three course you taught in your illustrious career. You know stuff like Intro to Zany Yet Poorly Supported Lies, Foundations of the Bizarre, Concepts in Contempory Electronic Foolishness…
I should tell you because you asked me so nice?
I already gave you one. You missed it. Oh that’s too bad. I don’t have to give you sh*t dumbass.
You don’t know how to ask. You show no respect for others, especially people you don’t know.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:37 pmAre we attempting to seek out the escape pod now?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:38 pmThe thing that pisses me off it that the Democrats blame it all on the Republicans. We have some good Ideas too you know?
Well, I’m gonna have to disagree with yout there, Professor. I don’t think the Republicans ideas for the economy are good ones at all. Tax cuts for wealthy people do not create nearly as many jobs as infrastructure spending, yet there go the Republicans, as always, claiming that unless there are tax cuts, they can’t support the bill. Of course, the pricks are lying because they were given what they wanted and voted against it anyway.
Republicans are not interested in governing, Republicans are only interested in ruling.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:38 pmHey ralph (notice I know that it isn’t capitalized)
Hey Wayne, How’s Jane (notice, I acknowledge significant others)
Pretend guy thinks I fail to show respect towards others. What do you fellows think?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:41 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
professorj Says:
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
professorj,
You can lighten up now, a$$hole. I already found what I needed about an hour ago.
So, I will state here and now, I believe that judging by George W. Bush’s actions as President, he believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper.
And that is a quote everyone can use, because it is true.
That’s your judgment and your opinion. It is not a fact that you can prove. I demand proof from you or you should stop making these ridiculousness comments. You opinion here means nothing unless it is backed up with proof. Where’s the URL?
So far you haven’t backed up anything that you have spewed all over this site with any verifiable proof.
This going into my book for sure. You betcha.
Um… Wayne said it was his opinion. Is that the ground rule by which you would like to proceed — that no opinion can be offered (since the proof of an opinion is the utterance of it, and you won’t accept that)…
oh, wait… you’re fu(kin’ with us again, aren’t ya?
But doesn’t that invalidate the research if it’s gathered under falsified conditions?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:41 pmI have said things were my opinion and stated such but it didn’t matter. You still wanted proof that my opinion was a valid one remember? So the answer is no. I want verifiable facts and proof for all the statements that you make just like you do from me.
But doesn’t that invalidate the research if it’s gathered under falsified conditions?
It might just a little bit. Anything Republican creates the same reaction. It’s negligible.
Geeze, do I need to go find a URL on research parameters?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:47 pmThat was an attempt at humor. Ralph.
Besides I have to wrap it up here on this site. I have a date at the Washington Post site tomorrow.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:50 pmHi dbadass,
You are even more respectful toward both friend and foe than anyone I can think of off the top of my pointy little liberal head. :)
Jane’s right here, she’s fine. Thanks for asking.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:51 pmdbadass Says:
Hey ralph (notice I know that it isn’t capitalized)
Hey Wayne, How’s Jane (notice, I acknowledge significant others)
Pretend guy thinks I fail to show respect towards others. What do you fellows think?
That’s better now if you can show the same respect for me it would be outstanding. After all I have done nothing to you but split a few hairs in a disagreement.
Professorj and dbadass if you can mange it.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:55 pmHi, dbadass :)
February 9th, 2009 at 9:56 pmHi Jane. Good evening.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:58 pmI’m tonight’s target. :)
February 9th, 2009 at 9:59 pmNo, professorish dude, on another thread, you stated your opinion as if it were demonstrable fact. When I pointed out that you were trying to support your position with nothing but opinion, apparently you missed that I wanted something OTHER than opinion as support for your assertion that, say barney frank was behind the financial collapse. You thought that I wanted you to prove your opinion.
I know the difference between an opinion and a verifiable fact that buttresses an opinion.
i was looking for the latter. You insisted on supplying only the former.
in the Barney Frank issue, for instance, I pointed out that during the time when he was supposed to be wrecking the financial system by propping up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Barney Frank was a member of possibly the most powerless Congressional party caucus in history. Other posted links to articles that demonstrated that Fannie and Freddie did not originate any of the loans they purchased (and thus they could not be responsible for the decisions to lend to certain applicants), a fact which further undercuts the “Fannie and Freddie Did It” meme.
I say this not to re-argue this issue, but to provide examples of the kind of factual back-up we like to see to reinforce a statement of fact such as “Barney Frank wrecked the economy”, and the kinds of examples we have provided in order to support our contention that “No he didn’t, either”.
For some reason, you’ve confused the call for factual support for an opinion as a demand to “prove” an opinion. it’s an odd mistake to commit, I think.
You’ve now given up your claim to “putting us on”, since i called your bluff, you seemed to acknowledge the put-on and then came back in character with more argumentation. So that seems to be who you really are, or at least who you really want to be.
by the way, I’m thinking maybe I’ll keep a cache of this thread, so that when you write your learned tome and pull us all wildly out of context in order to try to make us look ridiculous, I’ll at least have access to the truth.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:04 pmGood thing you told us.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:05 pmCalling us “idiots” repeatedly doesn’t count, I guess… nor does starting off your relationship with dbadass by telling him he “couldn’t handle” rational discussion.
I guess that was just good ol’ fashioned neighborliness.
howdy, neighbor!
February 9th, 2009 at 10:07 pmEvening, Jane.
Would you be a dear and get dbadass a cup of tea? The professorish dude gave him a low grade. And you know how much we respect the professor-type guy.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
And, the actions of which I speak, the ones by which I judge that George W. Bush believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper are, among other things:
The USA PATRIOT Act – It eviscerates the Fourth Amendment
The Warrantless Wiretapping program(s) – American reporters were spied upon unconstitutionally. Fact.
The Military Commissions Act – Unconstitutional denial of habeas corpus
Authorized use of waterboarding against KSM, in violation of international treaties, which, in turn, is in violation of the US Constitution. Also, it’s a War Crime.
And, through his overuse of signing statements, he has effectively said that the laws he’s signing do not have to be obeyed if he’s acting as Commander-in-Chief, a claim completely unsupported by the Constitution.
That should be a good enough start.
I stand by my statement.
I believe that judging by George W. Bush’s actions as President, he believes the Constitution to be just a Goddamned piece of paper.
All done according to the law. Approved by congress. You left that out besides you posted no proof for any of it. Not one URL backing up anything you posted here. Show me some proof.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
I would remind you, professorj, that I am explicitly denying you permission to use my name or comments in anything you publish for profit.
I don’t need your permission. It became public domain when you pushed the Submit Comment.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:11 pmDidn’t you know that dbadass?
February 9th, 2009 at 10:13 pmWell, I hope that our good professor doesn’t deny that the things I mentioned above, as reasons for claiming that George W. Bush acts as if the Constitution were just a Goddamned piece of paper, actually happened. I was writing extemporaneously, so I didn’t have time to provide links to each of the pieces of legislation (which can be located through Thomas.gov), nor the news stories about the interview in which Bush (and also Cheney, separately) admitted that they authorized torture.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:13 pmHello and good evening, professorj, ralph.
dbadass, will Earl Grey do? What are you cooking tonight?
Professorj, good luck being a target! :)
February 9th, 2009 at 10:15 pmExcuse me I meant Wayne.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:16 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Well, I hope that our good professor doesn’t deny that the things I mentioned above, as reasons for claiming that George W. Bush acts as if the Constitution were just a Goddamned piece of paper, actually happened. I was writing extemporaneously, so I didn’t have time to provide links to each of the pieces of legislation (which can be located through Thomas.gov), nor the news stories about the interview in which Bush (and also Cheney, separately) admitted that they authorized torture.
It means nothing Wayne. Without verifiable facts your assumptions mean absolutely nothing.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:17 pmHi Jane!
Seriously Jane, I really don’t think you should be subjecting yourself to this weirdness. It is way beneath you. Still nice to have you
—-
Proffy guy
February 9th, 2009 at 10:18 pmWhat is all this mange talk?
283 reference what again?
Nothing you have posted as fact support you assumptions and your opinions. I can get a dozen people that can come up with some kind of info refuting your assumptions. It means absolutely nothing Wayne..
Back it up with something.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:19 pmJane,
I did a simple salad of mixed baby green, pecans, avocado, tomato and dried cherries with a balsamic vinegrette and some baked scallops.
Do you have something herbal. I don’t normally do caffeine at night but will of course be mannerly if the Earl Grey is all you have
February 9th, 2009 at 10:22 pmWhat fu(king “facts” are you looking for???
February 9th, 2009 at 10:23 pmAre you actually suggesting that it is not a verifable fact that the USA PATRIOT Act violates the Fourth Amendment, that The Warrantless Wiretapping program was not used to spy on American reporters unconstitutionally, that the The Military Commissions Act did not deny habeas corpus, that Bush did not authorize the use of waterboarding against KSM (and that this was a War Crime) and that he has made claims in his signing statements that he does not have to obey the laws he’s signing if he is acting as Commander-in-Chief, and that this argument is completely unsupported by the Constitution?
Because those are facts, and only someone with his head in the sand wouldn’t be aware of that.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:24 pmThat’s okay, dbadass, I’m wandering around a bit. I’ll let you all get on with it.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:24 pmHi Jane!
Seriously Jane, I really don’t think you should be subjecting yourself to this weirdness. It is way beneath you. Still nice to have you
—-
Proffy guy
February 9th, 2009 at 10:25 pmWhat is all this mange talk?
283 reference what again?
Jane
Every statement has to be backed up with proof. It’s their rules not mine.
I do have some herbal teas, too, and there’s always ‘Sleepytime’ tea if you don’t feel like staying up late.
I’ll be over on the ‘Obama on Lessons Learned’ thread if you need anything.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:26 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Are you actually suggesting that it is not a verifable fact that the USA PATRIOT Act violates the Fourth Amendment, that The Warrantless Wiretapping program was not used to spy on American reporters unconstitutionally, that the The Military Commissions Act did not deny habeas corpus, that Bush did not authorize the use of waterboarding against KSM (and that this was a War Crime) and that he has made claims in his signing statements that he does not have to obey the laws he’s signing if he is acting as Commander-in-Chief, and that this argument is completely unsupported by the Constitution?
Because those are facts, and only someone with his head in the sand wouldn’t be aware of that.Patriot act. Approved by congress.
Habeas corpus isn’t accorded to combatants in the field or known terrorist. Water boarding has not been proven to be torture. Military soldiers are routinely put through the water boarding process in their training every day.
Now chopping someone’s hands and feet off or cutting a guy head off that’s real torture.
In fact your whole statement here is lacking in any proof or facts what so ever. Proof Wayne, facts Wayne. Back this stuff up. It means nothing unless you do.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:33 pmWho got their hands or feet chopped off? Chopping a head off isn’t torture. It is murder. What the hell sort of professor are you? Oh yeah that’s right, you aren’t a professor…
February 9th, 2009 at 10:37 pmGood night ladies. Time to move on. I have a date at the Washington Post blog tomorrow. I had fun. Loved the insults. Time to move to another web site. Hey watch for my book. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame. Next time we meet may we be more civil. Luv ya. Da Professor. :)
See Ya.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:43 pmprofessorj,
That word, “facts”.
You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Tell you what. It’s your turn to prove me wrong.
And if you don’t believe that waterboarding is torture, then you are one sick motherfocker.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:43 pmWhat a f ucking oddball. Good luck with your pretend job and fantasy book you freak…
Goodnight Wayne.
February 9th, 2009 at 10:48 pmHey guys. I just dropped in to copy a few things down and noticed that dumbass performed true to form and mouthed off behind my back.
Page 57 chapter 3. “When your oponents leave make sure you mouth of by calling them names.” The vulgarity was a good touch also dumbass.
See ya in the funny pages. Luv ya. :)
February 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pmWell I am happy to make you look stupid anywhere, not that you need any assistance.
February 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pmCheers-
Thank you very much.
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