GOP Leaders Taking Cues From Malkin On Stimulus, Call It ‘Generational Theft’
GOP Leaders Taking Cues From Malkin On Stimulus, Call It ‘Generational Theft’
In early January, when President Obama first proposed his American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan, conservative columnist Michelle Malkin balked at the proposal’s name, writing that it should be called “The Generational Theft Act of 2009.” Malkin has been pushing her attempted re-branding ever since, repeating it over and over and over again.
Malkin’s views are apparently beginning to hold sway with Republicans in Congress. On January 29, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) said of the proposed stimulus package, “This bill is a generational theft bill.” In a blog post yesterday for AmericaSpeakOn.org, a new conservative 501(c)4 group, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) used Malkin’s language as well:
The hundreds of billions of dollars Washington is borrowing to finance this pork-barrel monstrosity will come from our children and grandchildren. This is not “stimulus” – it’s generational theft.
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who has become a top critic of the recovery package in the Senate, also referred to it as “generational theft” on CBS’ Face The Nation yesterday. Watch it:
Malkin isn’t the only far right conservative pundit influencing the GOP these days. As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, congressional Republicans are embracing right-wing talker Rush Limbaugh as their “unofficial leader.” Some Republicans, like Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), are following Limbaugh’s lead by referring to the stimulus as the “porkulus” bill.
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McCain probably thinks the fundamentals of the economy are strong. What does that make him? Generation Ass?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pmAnother Repug entertainer weighing in as a ‘leader’. I am so glad these people know where to go for quality leadership. /snark
February 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pmNo, Michelle Malkin, illegally starting a war that’s now costing us $10 billion per week is “generational theft”.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pmButt, butt, butt, Malkin isn’t an old, rich, white guy.
GASP!
February 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pmAnd since the two (minimum) generations of Repugs engineered this theft and brought us here, they should know what they are talking about.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pmIf you spew the talking points long enough and loud enough, some damn fool is bound to repeat them.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pmSomeone ought to inform tokyo rose malkin “generational theft” is what’s going on in her war of choice when they send home the troops in body bags.
then again, she doesn’t give a sheeyat about the troops unless she can use them to promote herslef in some way
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmUncle Ho Says:
“Butt, butt, butt, Malkin isn’t an old, rich, white guy.”
something tells me tokyo rose malkin will look exactly like a shih tzu in her golden years.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmGOP Leaders Taking Cues From Malkin.
Really?
Next topic.
RIP
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
All the talking heads, on the retug side, are following the top neo-con cone heads.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmSimply said: they can’t think and speak for themselves…LOSERS.
Wayne, that was is an investment. We get their oil fields because they are so grateful to us for ‘freeing’ them.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmWashington is trying to borrow hundreds of billions… hell, who are we kidding?.. trillions of dollars… because instead of spending money on our nation, they spent it on a disastrous foreign crusade for oil.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pmAll this talk of generational theft is a bogus cover-up for prior thievery. It’s like trying to blame the farmer for his cattle being stolen because he didn’t put a padlock on the barn door.
Hoodathunk,
The original plans for the war called for us to just seize the oil fields and sell them off to American oil companies. We now know that’s not going to happen the way BushCo planned. Thankfully.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pm“Generational Theft” is what the GOP has been practicing since Reagan, and Bush Perfected. If anything – this is the “Generational Re-Gifting Act of 2009″.
Vyan
February 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pmIf it wasn’t for talking points the righties wouldn’t have much to say.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pmGuess when you have no original ideas yourself your only hope is to listen to people even more ignorant and hateful as yourself…
…got no ideas…listen to Rush, he’ll tell you what to think.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmanyone remember the movie “priscilla, queen of the desert”? i just loved malkin in that scene she did involving the ping-pong balls.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmJust as in the case of global warming, has the U.S. economy reached or already surpassed its “tipping point”?
Actually, I believe the “tipping point” occurred last September when Republican economic advisers buttonholed Bush and attempted to explain to him the economic disaster he had caused and the apocalyptic consequences if nothing was done to try to reverse it.
So, Bush and Cheney tapped FORTUNE 500 Paulson to come up with a FORTUNE 500 bail-out plan. Gee, how well did that work? Did rising unemployment level off and actually start decreasing?
Just as in the case of global warming, the corrupt and incompetent Bush/Cheney administration kicked the economic problems besetting our nation down the road to the next administration, helping out the FORTUNE 500 Republicans while screwing a whole lot of non-Fortune 500 Republican workers and business owners across America, as Bush/Cheney Republicans blew off one warning sign after another, one “tipping point” after another over eight long years while in office.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmHaving our children pay for the deficit and national debt incurred when the monkey was in the White House was not generational theft?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmWhat the repukes refer to as generational theft today is not theft at all — it is the medicine necessary to be sure that the future generations have a country where they can live and work.
See, debt is only OK if it’s repugniscum debt – and if it is the result of the rich getting richer, all the better.
Debt incurred to remedy policies of the repugniscum – those are bad debts inflicted on the future.
It’s not the debt so much as it is who are advocating it.
This goes to show ya that the Republicans in Congress have absolutely no ideas of their own. They are puppets of the wingtards in the media.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmBTW, how much is that war in Iraq costing us? $10B/month?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pmHow much did Bush’s tax cuts cost? $1.3B?
And let us also not forget our favorite web site: foxnews.com. They refuse to call it the recovery bill. Their topline all week has been “spendulous”. HA HA! Get it?
Amazing how these GOP goons don’t even do their own research or homework. They just repeat the notes from the AM radio & Washington Times commentators.
Ah, indeed, the future does look BRIGHT for the GOP!!
Just don’t look at those Gallup & CNN poll numbers!!
February 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThe ultimate demonstration of the complete moral and intellectual bankruptcy of the republican party –> their “policy advisors” are flaming a-holes like Malkin, Failin’ Palin, Joe the Whatever, Limpballs and Hannity.
Clearly, the repubs have evolved beyond the neo-con (neo-conservative) phase. They have morphed into neo-Hoovs (neo-Hooverites).
February 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pmyea… that didn’t sound like something grampy mcSAME could
February 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pmcome up with by himself…
As long as the people in the Southwest drink Bud, McCain has nothing to worry about. His Cindy will keep at least 8 roofs over his head. Someone with as much money as McCain is clueless when it comes to the suffering of Americans.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pmHi Rapture Ready.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:33 pmDon’t tell me let me quess. Naked in the corner waiting for a party that never and will never happen. Am I right?
Where was all this input when paulson and bush pushed through their free for all with no accountability TARP ?
And does anyone else wonder that the best arguments are coming from conservative talking heads. They haven’t fussed in years at the millions and billions wasted by bush but now money to help out the 15% unemployed, no way, let them eat cake. Such are the republicans ! May their party self destruct.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:33 pmNo matter how you slice it, generational theft is not generational murder and mayhem, destroying the lives of young Americans for the pursuit of personal ambition and wealth. How many dead, how many wounded, how many lives–devastated by: wars for nothing, disregard of reality, ignoring catastrophic natural events, wholesale extinction of species, massive increase in toxicity of the environment, and so far forth???? I guess that just wasn’t enough for them; now they must destroy families, education, health care, employment, etc., et al.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Hoodathunk,
The original plans for the war called for us to just seize the oil fields and sell them off to American oil companies. We now know that’s not going to happen the way BushCo planned. Thankfully.
Durn liberal types just have to go and be logical. Tokyo Rose will spank.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pmit’s my old pal, rectal rapture.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pmwhat gives? is malkin a lesbian and we don’t know it?
RaptureReady Says:
Sen. Coburn, alright and amen!
But aren’t you’re going to be playing touch football with Jesus soon? If your kids are getting raptured as well, it’s win/win for you, isn’t it? They won’t be around to foot the bill, so why do you care?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pmFunny, when the rethugs had control of both chambers of Congress and the White House for 6 of the last 8 years, none of them was worried about this theft then.
Hypocrisy is a prerequisite to be a Rethuglican.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pmRuptured Rectum,
February 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pmFind out who the real daddy is yet?
America is sinking and these sicko conservatives would rather let it sink than pick up an oar and row.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pmruptured rectum; where you been? We had some threads last week and you did not appear. Made me think you were in intensive care.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pmHey, look who crawled outa the slime — rupture already!
What ya doin’ here, rupture; didya run out of altar boys to molest or muslim men to mutilate?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmmake that “we had some threads about gays last week and you did not appear.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThey forgot about their $1.3 Trillion tax cut for the upper 2% while starting a war in Iraq on false assumptions. The GoP is so corrupt and wrong they should all be impeached. They have ever been honest about anything. They are treating this emergency as if it is a joke. They are the joke and I just wrote my to senators and told them both they same thing.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmWhy though doesn’t any network call these lying mouths on their lies ? What are they afraid of, does bush’s long arm still control them ? Where is Woodword and Bernstein when you need them, oh, well one sold out.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmSen. Coburn, alright and amen!
Maybe this IS a gay thread after all!
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmRaptureReady Says:
Sen. Coburn, alright and amen!
February 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Most sane people recognize Sen Coburn as not being sane. I’m guessing your love of him derives from this (before he was elected to the Senate):
Tom Coburn, current Congressman and Republican Senate candidate, thinks there’s a lesbian epidemic in Oklahoma school bathrooms. And if that’s not scary enough, look at his votes on HIV and AIDS funding.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pmYou got that right.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pmtexaslady Says:
America is sinking and these sicko conservatives would rather let it sink than pick up an oar and row.
Probably because they have bought passage on the China/India boat.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmCoburn is just jealous. He can’t get one hot girl to look at him, let alone two.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:41 pmGee, what happened to listening to the words of their so-called leader Palin?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:41 pm“Since when do we take the word of bloggers…?”
(since Malkin is not anonymous I left out the second part)
The generational “theft” is in a sense already happening absent any current or proposed policies. Tim Flannery observed in his book “The Weather Makers” a couple of years ago that we were already at the time consuming the future at a rate of about 123%, a figure expected to go to 200% by perhaps 2050 (basic “unsustainability” path) . We cannot continue to grind up the planet via extractive industries and business-as-usual consumerism, eating the future. There is much value-adding, sustainable work to be done, but only if it gets funded.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:41 pmRaptureReady Says:
“Sen. Coburn…”
Ever been to Oklahoma, Daryll?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmYou can hardly hear yourself think from the screaming of the natural gas compressor stations, the interstate thru Oklahoma City is (arguably, I’m sure)the bumpiest, most poorly maintained stretch of highway in the nation (and has been that way for 25 years). They’ve got nuthin but grass fires and barbed wire, and they don’t want nuthin more neither.
Coburn and Inhofe don’t want to spend any money, because everything is all just fine and wonderful in their little burrow on the prairie.
Yeah, and what are they calling that whole bank bailout debacle?
I call that raping the fu(king treasury and walking away with grins on their faces.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pm… jeezuz…
just once, i wish you guys were strong enough to ignore it.
especially such a simple stupid statement.
deprive it of the attention it doesn’t deserve.
just once.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pmEveryone knows, and finds sadly amusing, that the GOP is run by TV and radio talk show hosts. And that is why we had the results of the last 2 elections and why Obama’s approval rating released today was 76%. And that is why it will be 65 Dem Senate seats in 2010. Bank on it.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pmIraq was generational theft…at least with the stimulus, it goes to benefit America’s economy…unlike Iraq which benefited only Halliburton and KBR…
February 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pmQuestion, why do conservatives hate their grandchildren and great grandchildren? Should they suffer because of the administration’s fraudulent rush to war?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pmThe right only believes in generational theft as long as there is loss of life too. The trillion to Iraq was swell because they were killing and maiming our troops as well. As long as there is some destruction of the American public they’re all right spending any amount of money.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pmI refuse to waste my time with Daryll. Next thread please.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pmNevar
I guess if you’ve ever been to OK one road is enough.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pmQuestion:
February 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pmwhy do repukelicans hate their children and grandchildren so much they’d rather do NOTHING due to their partisan pettiness? Why do repukies wish to see our economy in utter collapse due to their partisan pettiness? why, oh why?
The right only supports generational theft if they and their cronies can benefit from it…same with Bush’s tax cuts…of course then it’s called stimulating the economy…
February 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pmMore evidence that Republican politicians don’t know how to read — only listen to AM radio and watch Fox propaganda.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pmSo then the Bush tax cuts can be called Operation Screw the Middle Classor Feed the Rich Act.
Didn’t Bush inherit a surplus? Under 6 years of Bush, congress was run by republicans (who used to claim to be fiscally conservative)and they ended up creating a huge deficit, so why are they whining now?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pmFor John McCain to label domestic spending as generational theft is the height of hypocrisy. He supported and endorsed, like no other, the invasions of the Middle East. The money for the Iraq war isn’t even on the books, it has all been borrowed, mostly from China.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pmBy the time I reach retirement age in about 10 years, there won’t be a dime left in Social Security. McCain’s generation of warmongers and corporate robber barons are the ones who have doomed the future generations to neglect, poverty, and a wasted landscape.
Question, why do liberals hate their grandchildren and great grandchildren? Should they suffer because of the chairman of the Congressional financial committee’s mistake?
You’re right… I assume that you will now be campaigning for an immediate, across the board tax increase for all citizens to pay down this debt, for the children…
No?
Surely, well then you will be eschewing use of all government sponsored projects (roads, schools, internet etc.)until such time as the debt is paid off…
No?
Huh, why do you hate your children and grandchildren then?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pmAnd Pat Buchanan was on the McGlaughlin Group yesterday stating outright that all of California’s fiscal problems are the fault of the Brown People that have become the White Man’s Burden. Poor Eleanor was left to point it that it’s called “diversity” for Old Pat.
The GOPers don’t even make an effort to cover their hatred, racism and bigotry anymore.
PEACE
February 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pmThank God for Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman some rational sane voices. I think so many like the malkin’s, hannitys can’t even relate to the problems average working people are dealing with. Even the Matt Lauer and David Gregory who hang out with the richie rich, how can they understand ?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pmDarryl’s promotion for the war machine is on the backs of our children. He should be made to walk the plank.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pmRaptureReady Says: Question, why do liberals hate their grandchildren and great grandchildren? Should they suffer because of the chairman of the Congressional financial committee’s mistake?
Odd question since the reason we are in this mess is because conservatives have driven the economy to the ledge. I don’t think the mistake was the chairman’s sole responsibility. I think it was more about the fiscally unsound policies that led to rabid capitalism.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:04 pmThese Republicans who are so concerned about the debt given to our children should be demanding that the super wealthy who made out like bandits the last 8 years should hand over all the extra cash they made and kept to the public coffers where it should have gone in the first place. Because it was the Republicans who kept telling us that we were at war and had to stay there.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pmnot to post out the obvious, shayne but, rectal rapture’s “promotion” is increased trolling hours funded by the RNC. Since the election, they’ve found it hard to keep their numbers up and darryl’s “taking one for the team”
February 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pmWhat I’d like to know is where MM came up with the line in the first place. All these GOPers wouldn’t be using it if it were not already part of the playbook. They always have a foot soldier like Malkin, O’Rielly, Rush say it first so it sounds as if it comes from the people. Wouldn’t it be interesting to hack her email and see who the talking points are really coming from?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pmSo, George Bush runs up a 10 trillion dollar national debt and they have no problem with the fact that our children and grandchildren are going to pay for that. And what did we get for that money? Nothing, nada, zippo.
I would much rather have my children and grandchildren pay off a debt of money that was invested in this country than a debt 10 times the size that was created to enrich military contractors.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:07 pmI dont recall Malkin calling the Bush banking bailout generational theft…..odd that.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:07 pmThe most important question about the stimulus spending is — when has it ever worked?
Not in Japan and not in the New Deal or anywhere ever. If such transfer payments worked Russia would have a larger GDP than the USA instead of slowly becoming a third world economy.
In three years we will be much worse off except for higher interest rates and no one will buy our treasuries due to declining dollar and inflation – basic economics.
Before the 2010 elections watch Milton Friedman youtube videos or read his books.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:08 pmThe GOP is so dead. They can’t even fathom a useful idea at this point. And to look to Limbaugh as a ‘leader’ is laughable to the point of insanity.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:08 pmmal?kin:
1. an untidy woman; slattern.
2. a scarecrow, ragged puppet, or grotesque effigy.
Dictionary.com Unabridged
February 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pmBased on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
Did Malkin and her fellow Republicans ever question even one dollar that was spent under Bush?
Of course not…
Now Obama has to tell Republicans to stop listening not just to Rush Limbaugh, but also to Malkin.
May I add also Ann Coulter to the list.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pmAugust 4, 2005
AT $286.4 BILLION, the [Republican] highway bill just passed by Congress is the most expensive public works legislation in US history. In addition to funding the interstate highway system and other federal transportation programs, it sets a new record for pork-barrel spending, earmarking $24 billion for a staggering 6,376 pet projects, spread among virtually every congressional district in the land. The enormous bill — 1,752 pages long — wasn’t made public until just before it was brought to a vote, and so, as The New York Times noted, ”it is safe to bet that none of the lawmakers, not even the main authors, had read the entire package
Where was Malkin with her generational theft then?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pmRepublicanThink:
Launching needless, no-bid, out-sourced wars of aggression at our grandchildren’s expense for short-term profit = GOOD.
Helping keep America working, creating jobs, lowering the cost-burden of healthcare for the benefit of the U.S. economy overall = BAD.
Rinse-wash-repeat…
February 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pmDaryll, you’ve spent the last several years working on DoD contracts, correct?
During that time, the federal government, who paid your salary, ran deficits ranging up to a trillion dollars this year. So your very livelihood came at the expense of your children and grandchildren.
Do you hate them because of that?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pmPresident Obama should go forward with the stimulus and quit reaching across the isle to these pigheaded Republicans like Malkin, McCain and the rest. Generational theft ocurred when Bush started the war in Iraq! The loss of so many lives is the real “Generational Theft” Malkin – clue in Bytche!
February 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pmLived in So CA for years and now live in flyover country – I do not want to pay for the insane welfare state of California.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pmwith a little luck, tokyo rose malkin will fall down like angry trannie annie coulter and they’ll have to wire her jaw shut too.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pmkaty, I salute you.
And Malkin clearly has some serious brain malady. It looks like her eyes are about to pop out. Like a bass floating belly up after three days in the sun, or a Pekinese with it’s head slammed in the car door.
That’s not an ad hominem attack, by the way. Her fugliness has nothing to do with the mad raving shit that spews from her mouth. That’s ugly too, but it would still be ugly even if Malkin were not.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pmWhat do you imagine the world will be like for your child in 18 years, Daryll?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
anyone remember the movie “priscilla, queen of the desert”? i just loved malkin in that scene she did involving the ping-pong balls.
NOT FAIR – you made me shoot Wasabi out my nose – OUCH!!!
LOL
February 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pm#86 dwall:
Welfare state of California? Gee, maybe if we hadn’t had the GOP ENRON, and then a GOP BACKED RECALL that gave us the GOP GOVERNATOR, we would be in better shape. I know we were all doing fine before those three items.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pmHave a little empathy for your fellow Americans. California is still part of the United States, and we bring in a hell of a lot of tax money.
Second, if asking a question about whether our future generation should suffer is wrong, I don’t want to be right.
If believing you’re a small-minded, self-loathing tool is right, where’s the argument?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pmRaptureReady Says:
Question, why do liberals hate their grandchildren and great grandchildren? Should they suffer because of the chairman of the Congressional financial committee’s mistake?
If your equating spending with hate, RR, then government growing by some 35% under Bush, and record deficits, means he hates your children and grandchildren and great great grandchildren and your values.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pmAnd in other news…
Prez* stimulates his stump while stumping his stimulus!
In his second confrontation with an opening in less than a week, Obama smacked his head on the door of Marine-1 as he was out stumping for support for the so-called ’stimulus’ plan.
Although little shaken by the event, when asked by a Marine aid if he was alright, ‘H’ replied… “THREE!”.
An investigation by the Air Transportation and Safety Board was inconclusive as lead investigator Seamore Dunless was at a loss as to how Obama could have hit his head with it so far up his a$$. This is further reason, he said, as to why we should have elected Robert Reich as president.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pmMalkin is like the other damaged goods of the GoP…they were either dropped on their heads at birth or sexually abused at an early age. Any femaile who marches in line with these KKK haters is seriously damged goods.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm:p
gurl’s got talent
February 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm“What do you imagine the world will be like for your child in 18 years, Daryll?”
Well, in 18 years, Darryl’s imaginary child will be a freshman at an imaginary college. darryl and his imaginary wife (also known as rosy palm) will be living out their golden years in their imaginary mcmansion
February 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pm12 billion missing in Iraq
2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon
Where did the money go?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pmHi ErkelTheUsurper:
February 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI am still interested in that name. Care to share?
More ‘big lie’ efforts from the Republicans. How long can they keep this up? According to the polls, the people are NOT buying what the Republicans are selling on the stimulus, so why are they redoubling their effort to use nothing but lying, cheating wording to get their way and have their say? It’s getting to be comical.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pmGuys, guys, we’re just shooting the breeze. We need to get the word out. The ship is sinking. The Republicans did it. Man the lifeboats for Obama and Krugman people.
(And we thought we were getting civilized. If this is civilized I want off the ship and into one of those lifeboats.)
February 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pmPriscilla, great film! I knew Malkin had other talents aside from running her mouth.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:24 pmEven tho these guys, and Malkin, have been around with what seems like forever. It feels like they’re getting louder. They’ve obviously repackaged their msg, and have added a few new characters, but something seems dangerously off with them. The Republicans aren’t taking defeat very adult like are they?
OMG What if McCain had actually won the Oval Office……with this kind of behavoir what would they be like had they remained in power? Bush on Speed
dwall – so the New Deal didn’t work. I appreciate sitting in parks that were built under the New Deal, I enjoy the artwork from artists paid under the New Deal. I enjoy dams and lakes built under the TSA. I agree that we need to invest in America instead of a war for a fake president’s ego.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pmCA – we bring in a hell of a lot of tax money.
But not enough and corporations are leaving.
You have to reduce the size of your welfare state, reduce regulations, and modify govt retirement plans that are way too rich.
Allow drilling off shore and build other revenue generation plans based on productivity.
Become self sufficient – no money from fly-over after 2010.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pmI find it interesting the spending is being placed into the open and not added to the bill at the last minute…
February 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pmI can’t even imagine mccain and ms uninformed trying to get us out of this mess. Well, then they would just allow paulson to give out more unaccounted for taxpayer’s dollars. But malkin was quiet on that wasn’t she ?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pmThe polls tell the truth. Outside DC people support the President and the bill. We are getting the “librul media” which is putting 2 rethuglicans to 1 Democrats on all the cable talk shows. They are doing the same thing they did in the campaign by creating a controvery where one does not exist with the people. There are millions out of work with others on the way.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:27 pmNew Deal did not work, sure they built parks and TVA and such but did not build jobs that were self sustaining.
it is really easy,, google New Deal did not work, read some
basic econ – govt money will crowd out future investments and real jobs. we are so screwed.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:27 pmpaulson bailing out the banks was a mistake,, same as now.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pmdwall Says:
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New Deal did not work, sure they built parks and TVA and such but did not build jobs that were self sustaining.
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Morons study history and economics on google. Try something like college. Were you homeschooled?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pmSmells like Rove.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pmWhat happens if I google “New Deal did work”?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pmdwall, tell my 88 year old grandmother the new deal didn’t work. it kept our family from starving during the depression. perhaps you should stop listening to the likes of tokyo rose malkin and rush limpballs.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pmdwall – your reducing regulations as Phil Gramm did late at night in 2000 got us into this mess. I wonder how Bernie Madoff’s people feel about less regulations.
Deregulation has caused deaths from salmenella, lack of oversight on prescribed drugs, environmental disasters.
You want deregulation go to Mexico, lots of that there.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pmBecome self sufficient – no money from fly-over after 2010.
The Tax Foundation, which I in no way endorse, disagrees…
…when even right wing shills agree that CA pays a disproportionate portion of the federal tax burden who can you turn to dwall? Facts left your corner long ago but the Tax Foundation? Who’s on your side?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:32 pmAwww, don’t like history? Change it if you can get anyone to listen……sad for you.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:32 pmdbadass Says:
Hi ErkelTheUsurper:
I am still interested in that name. Care to share?
D&D
February 9th, 2009 at 5:32 pmEw, Rove smells bad!
DWall, I suggest you read the Shock Doctrine, by Naomi Kline, if you really want to know what Milton Friedman’s economical theory will do for a country. Since we are in the middle of a Friedman collapse…
Anyone touting his theories right now is, in my book, a TRAITOR.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:33 pmdwall Says:
The most important question about the stimulus spending is — when has it ever worked?
Well, since we have never been in this position before, it’s hard to say if it will work.
So, you would rather we just sit by and watch this country sink into a depression? Millions more lose their jobs, their houses and their life savings. Is that what you want for your country? If so, I would say “may god have mercy on your soul”, but I doubt you even have a soul.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:34 pmErkelTheUsurper Says:
want to see a real doofus?
gw bush, falling down drunk at the olympics
February 9th, 2009 at 5:35 pmdwall Says: But not enough and corporations are leaving.
They are leaving to invest in slave labor. Making cheap and shoddy goods.
And if you want to ‘modify govt retirement plans that are way too rich’ talk to the clowns on the hill. Their benefits are higher than anything I would hope to have. For a lot less work.
And if you want to drill off shore, invest in a scuba tank.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:35 pmand the last I checked old Milt is dead and with a little luck his fantasies will be soon.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pmdwall – I have heard from those that benefited from the New Deal how it saved them from actually starving. You need to do some research or maybe talk to those that lived through that period. Try living on $3.00 a week. Young people living home because there wasn’t enough to eat.
And dwall- there is a website that President Obama has for ideas, so if you have some send them in. At least he appreciates outside information.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pmI think the quickest, simplest, inexpensive way to cure the financial problem is to declare the dark derivatives, some 516 trillion by BIS [Bank of Intl Settlements] null and void and close down this unregulated disaster
February 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pmOr better yet, don’t…
February 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm121 – A BIG AMEN TO THAT !
February 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pm122 correction leaving home not living home.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pmFrom the GOP Guide to Congressional Tactics:??
1) Hold your breath and count to ten
?2) Cross your arms and stamp your feet?
3) Cover your ears and chant “laa, laa, laa” for several minutes.??
Then return to step 1.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pmshush, skeda, he obviously doesn’t have any idea of the depths. Let him play.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pmWhat about the trillions spend on the F*&^ War???????
Who is paying for that?????? YOU IGNORANT, STUPID, IDIOTIC , HIGH PITCH GOT IT UP THE ASS GOOFBALL.
WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT????? ANSWER THE f(*&^& QUESTION?????
February 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pmI think we are seeing it already. Like the guy who killed his wife and five kids, then himself, because he lost his job.. lots more of that coming down the pipe unless we DO SOMETHING.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pmdwall Says:
we are so screwed.
We were screwed the day George Bush took office and started to systematically loot our treasury.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:39 pmHoodathunk, I know… but he’s so incredibly bad at being a troll… so boring…what happened to the smart ones we used to get?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:39 pm“generational theft” is when 100’s of k of people with college educations can’t make more than $50k/year even after 15-20 years accumulating skills and experience in the workforce.
“generational theft” is getting out of college with a degree then going to work at a call center or copy shop or landscaping company like so many do.
“generational theft” is the millions of blue-collar workers who, deprived of their right to organize, work out their whole careers for NO pension and NO benefits and will never get to “retire”.
it’s just another example of the “economic theft” carried out by so-called conservatives for the last 30 years.
rush’s little shi-tzu ought to be kept on a shorter leash.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pmdwall Says:
we are so screwed.
Admitting to a problem is the first step towards healing. Hang on, buddy. It’s tough but you can heal.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pmThat’s the other new RNC talking point. The New Deal didn’t work. Anybody have that chart that shows what states get back in federal dollars where the red states get much more than blue states. Last I saw California got .80 for every dollar. Obviously dwall hasn’t seen it and doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:41 pmSeventy-six percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Monday gave Obama a thumbs-up on how he’s performing his duties, while 23 percent disapproved.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:42 pmSKdeA Says:
Hoodathunk, I know… but he’s so incredibly bad at being a troll… so boring…what happened to the smart ones we used to get?
Ralph, ElBruce, Tros and other have handed them their hats so many times, they get confused.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pmIt was that jerkwad Reagan who got rid of the food inspectors and the epidemiologists that tracked outbreaks. What I had against the Clintons is that they never fixed this stuff when they had a chance.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:44 pmAnybody have that chart that shows what states get back in federal dollars where the red states get much more than blue states.
Shayne- see link @ 115
February 9th, 2009 at 5:44 pmEconomists say that Japan’s stimulus didn’t work because they never spent enough money at one time and made the recession last for 10 years. But you wouldn’t understand.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:46 pmShane – bush underfunded the FDA and EPA and had inspectors return to write policy instead of out there inspecting. That goes for OSHA as well. As well as the head of FDA enjoyed traveling at the vendor’s expense or shall we say lobbyists .
February 9th, 2009 at 5:47 pmClinton did his share, I can’t forget the NAFTA Bill. All the money went to bush’s pet project, beat daddy.
Smart trolls are a myth. They never really existed. It’s just that our memories won’t let us believe that the old trolls were this incredibly stupid. It’s like forgetting the pain of childbirth.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pmShayne Says:
dwall Says:
The most important question about the stimulus spending is — when has it ever worked?
Not in Japan and not in the New Deal or anywhere ever.
Economists say that Japan’s stimulus didn’t work because they never spent enough money at one time and made the recession last for 10 years. But you wouldn’t understand.
The Japanese also built infrastructure they didn’t need and failed to invest enough in education, which extended the recession.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:50 pmWhat FDR spent on the new deal, in inflation adjusted dollars, was something like 53 billion.
The Bush admin stimulus [tax rebate] and banking bailout was much greater, 10x+, than that and has had no real effect.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:50 pmFunny thing about getting Fed dollars Alaska gets more Fed dollars in welfare payments. How can that be with all the oil and that marvelous governor who can see Russia from her porch.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:50 pmThanks belac, you posted it before I typed. I knew somebody had it though.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:53 pmPerhaps if this problem had been addressed sooner it wouldn’t be as large, as cheney said last week, “we gave the economy some thought.” Obviously not much. If you have free healthcare and lifetime pensions with stocks in war do you really understand losing your job, home and dignity ?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pmThe main stimulus we need in this country is to find the funding to reopen the various factories that have been shut down and shipped off shore. Reclaim our manufacturing presence. Make things that are worth something. Let the Walmarts try to sell cheap foreign crap for $1.75 versus US made products for $2.25.
The old adage of you get what you pay for has never been more true.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pmShayne Says:
de nada…
dwall?
Reconsidering that fly-over welfare?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pmAnd I’ve read that fixing our infrastructure would cost a minimum of $3 trillion so finding things to fix would not be a problem. But the Rethugs would whine about every penny like they did about resodding the mall in DC. 60 Minutes had a segment last years showing how run down the whole area looks but why encourage tourism there. Who would want to go to DC anyway. /sarc
February 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pmdwall went to nurse his wounds apparently.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pmWhere were all the mouths when bush was losing $9B in Iraq ? Where was the outrage when our surplus was lost because of sloppy management by bush ?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pmShayne, shutting down DC is about the best thing that could happen to this country. It barely qualifies as a tourist attraction.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pmGo back to Hanoi if you want to mindlessly repeat insipid propaganda, Grampa.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pmShayne Says:
dwall went to nurse his wounds apparently.
The troll was drywall previously, right?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:01 pmsince Viet Nam is one of the strongest resurgent economies in South Asia, where is the problem, jb? Oh that’s right, we ‘lost’ there.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:01 pmde nada…
dwall?
Reconsidering that fly-over welfare?
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cant live here,,
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some regulation is great, of course especially safety.
Feeding people and having a safety net is obviously great since we can afford it… for now.
but,, Friedman economics are how it works. They can be distorted for a time but will come back, like gravity, no escape, on this planet.
Spend the money and then watch what happens – nadda. long term will be worse.
But CA has to get their act together fast after this bailout.
Oh yeah, try to get over bush,, not healthy to hold on to derangement.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pmAnd jb, if you are wearing a shirt, it quite probably was made in Viet Nam.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pmPerhaps anchorbaby Malkin is angling for the job of Secretary of State in the Limbaugh/Palin administration.
/snark
February 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pmFunneling money to corporations and a handful of the already wealthiest people will do next to nothing to create jobs.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pmdwall Says: Friedman economics are how it works.
Didn’t you get the memo?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pmMichelle Malkin? Poster girl for the soon-to-be-defunct Pajamas Media blogger network? That screeching FOX News shrew who rolls her eyes more than a spoiled, grounded seventh-grader? The one went after Rachael Ray for wearing a scarf that Malkin somehow thought was stolen from Yasser Arafat? THAT Michelle Malkin?
Oy.
http://jackrabbitcafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/crazed-right-wing-bullshit-peddler.html
February 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pmHoodathunk,lost my shirt in the globalization scam…..But trade and diplomacy has worked a lot better than blood, bombs and money being rained down on Vietnam.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pmWhen government money goes to the people, it’s a theft, but when government money goes to big business, the oil industry, the Pentagon, and to illegal & failed wars/occupations, it’s a bargain and money well spent.
I hate republicans. Will someone please round them up and send to their real home in Afghanistan to be with the Taliban….their brothers.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:11 pmdwall Says:
So which fly over state do you live in?
’cause unless you live in CO or MN you are pro’ly receiving MY money! See, I live in WA and I’m tired of paying for you fly-over states! (jk, I actually believe in a progressive tax system… which means the blue states have to pay for your red state nonsense, unfortunately.)
February 9th, 2009 at 6:14 pmHear hear, Kay. I’m with you. Send ‘em all to Gitmo.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:18 pmExcellent point, Kay. Don’t forget how proud the Goopers are of their Faith Based scams and the “teaching” of abstinence. As long as they get to mouth their talking points, they could care less if the money being spent is effective.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:21 pmjb, trade (honest and open) and diplomacy always work better. If your target is relations. If you want to beat the crap out of somebody, they don’t.
You can call it a rule of existence
February 9th, 2009 at 6:22 pmThe Republicans have been pushing “generational theft” since Reagan took office. The hypocrisy coming from what’s left of that Party of fools is just stunning.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:39 pmNot pro sending money to corporations,, bad idea. AIG wasted the money anyway.
What you guys dont understand is this problem with housing was created by clinton/rubin/greenspan and accelerated by radical liberals/dems on wall street with CDOs and CDSs making risky bets and “helping humanity”. The subprime mess is the largest trickle down program in history.
Dems in congress stopped OFHEO from regulating fannie and freddie and dems in congress kept their unqualified friends as execs making millions,, like jamie goerlick and raines, who was committing fraud.
this is not bush’s deal except he could have stopped it but traded The American Dream Bill for Iraq money.
This is lib’s subprime disaster.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:42 pmdwall Says:
Hey dwall, can you please explain the role that foreign investment in/demand for mortgage backed securities and domestic banking deregulation spurred by Sen. Graham played in the subprime crisis? Thanks…
Also care to take a look at the state by state returns on tax dollars that I posted above and tell me again how you’re tired of paying for California’s welfare state?
February 9th, 2009 at 6:48 pmwith 3 million views check out the dems on this youtube discussing subprime problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
February 9th, 2009 at 7:09 pmdwall Says:
Not youtube, dwall… you. I want you to explain mortgage backed securities and banking deregulation… and tax policy…
you seem so sure about your ‘facts’ I’m curious as to why they disagree so violently with reality…
February 9th, 2009 at 7:11 pmMalkin is such a nobody loser. I hope the repubs keep taking their marching orders from her. Hilarious.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:12 pmFunny how they don’t seem to think it’s “generational theft” when they borrow their way through an unnecessary and illegal way.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:17 pmMalkin, the racist, anti-American, bigoted, hate-mongering loser?? The GOP turns to Limbaugh, Joe the Plumber, & Malkin?? Omigod, they are certainly showing the world that they have NO principles, and group themselves with hateful, totally uninformed racists. I guess if that’s how they see themselves!!…..
February 9th, 2009 at 7:18 pmdwall Says:What you guys dont understand is this problem with housing was created by clinton/rubin/greenspan and accelerated by radical liberals/dems on wall street
dwall, name me 3 CEO’s on Wall Street who are not Republicans?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pmI’ll wait.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:22 pmIf you don’t have Michelle’s cell number, don’t worry, she doesn’t know any either.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:23 pmMcSame, like Palin, should go crawl back under the rocks they came out from under.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:37 pmbuffet,, bigtime obama suck up
February 9th, 2009 at 7:45 pmwall street donated twice as much to obama
check out the lib foundations, including far leftie ones – wall street.
Soros?
February 9th, 2009 at 7:49 pmThis may have been said in a comment above, however, the republicans in power positions don’t know too much about the internet, so in their minds Michelle Malkin has a website, so this could be an “in” to all those folk’s who use the internet(s)……you know, those “series of pipes”
February 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pm…she just doesn’t realize that they are using her for what she is..
A TOOL.
Not youtube, dwall… you. I want you to explain mortgage backed securities and banking deregulation… and tax policy…
you seem so sure about your ‘facts’ I’m curious as to why they disagree so violently with reality…
only your reality,, distorted by a lib agenda
February 9th, 2009 at 7:50 pmbuffet? Where? Please tell me it isn’t one of those scary 5.95 Chinese ones…
February 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pmbtw – CDOs and CDSs were not under the national bank regulatory framework. CDSs are an insurance product.
Guess who could have stopped all this mess, besides dems in congress or bush ===>> our new tax cheat secy of treasury.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pmDec 15th 2000 Phil Gramm slipped a 262 page amendment into a appropriations Bill. It forbade fed agencies to regulate the financial derivataives that greased the skids for passing along risky mortgage backed securities to investors. Phil Gramm McCain’s economic advisor. It promoted a ponzi scheme. Phil Gramm also contributed the Enron Loophole which prevented fed oversight over energy trading. Obama sponsored a bill that would have prevented lenders from pressing abusive loan terms onto naive borrowers, the bill went nowhere.
February 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pmSo, tell me again dwall who started this mess ? You are talking to the wrong website, try rush’s.
dwall, name 3 and quit trying to change the subject.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:01 pmdwall Says:
This is lib’s subprime disaster.
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Sorry, sonny. This, much like the Whole Iraq Kerfluffle, will hang around BotchCo’s, and the GOOP’s, neck for a looooooong time to come, the endless attempts like lame hacks you notwithstanding.
Question for you… the GOOP is just so damned opposed to abortion, yet when they totally controlled the Fed govt, from 2000 to 2006, they did next to nothing to get rid of it. Why do you suppose that is?
Perhaps they really didn’t want to? So they could keep using it as a wedge issue to SUCKER clowns like you? It’s the same w/ the mortgage mess. The GOOP held all the power during that period, and DID NOTHING to stop that train.
Sorry, Li’l Feller… but that’s the way it goes.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:02 pmCDOs and CDSs were not under the national bank regulatory framework. CDSs are an insurance product.
but that’s really the problem isn’t it… I wonder who could have let the insurance industry at like a bank? Hmm… could it be Sen. Gramm?
BTW, beginning in 1999 banks were allowed to participate in these schemes… what did that? Oh yeah, something called the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
I wonder who’s behind that?
only your reality,, distorted by a lib agenda
How does my agenda affect the Tax Institute’s numbers? You have never addressed that little gem… You know, all that welfare in California that’s subsidizing your fly-over states…
February 9th, 2009 at 8:03 pmand actually, belac has a prior claim on you. Put up on either or go away.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:03 pmand now TRoS…dwall, best respond rationally or go to Long John Silvers for the fish and chips
February 9th, 2009 at 8:05 pmdwall…
Did you think that we wouldn’t know what credit default swaps and collateralized debt obligations were because you used acronyms?
Maybe you should stop using acronyms ’cause you don’t really seem to have a handle on what they stand for… Also, when will your fly-over state pay it’s fair share? (don’t want you to forget…)
February 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pmHoodathunk Says:
and now TRoS…dwall, best respond rationally or go to Long John Silvers for the fish and chips
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dwall’s got nothing. That’s why it won’t answer direct questions.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:13 pmSince I have things to do, dwall, I leave you in capable hands. And if you think TRoS and belac will be nicer than me, they have seniority and experience. Run and hide is your smart choice.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:13 pmDon’t be too hard on him. He is sort of handicapped.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:14 pmRepublicons don’t realize the American People are engaged. The people are hooked up to the Net and we will find them. What we need to do is Call our Reps every hour on the hour and tell them to express that they are Mad As Hell…They need to stop playing games. Vote for the Stimulus Package. So call your Senator(s) and Congressmant. People are losing everything.
February 9th, 2009 at 9:56 pmMcCain sounds like he is making a speech for his North Vietnam captors. This old fool will parrot anything to try and curry favor. The circus is nearly over Johnnie.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:12 pmAnd the huge outlays for Bush’s Iraq war aren’t “generational theft”?
Are all Republicans as insane as Michelle Malkin?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:29 pmyeah, mac needs to sit down
February 10th, 2009 at 12:06 amdwall Says:
yeah, mac needs to sit down
Epic FAIL dwall, epic fail… didn’t answer a single direct question posed above…
February 10th, 2009 at 11:22 amIt’s the story of the “Little Red Hen”. The GOP did not want to help bake the bread, but that will not stop them from wanting to participate in eating the bread.
Members of Congress should have the courage of their convictions. If they voted against the stimulus package, then they should refuse any funding being directed toward their state or district.
February 15th, 2009 at 2:08 pmIt’s time the haters on both sides give it up and start finding solutions. There is not enough wealth in this country to fix everything. It has been drained by those entrusted to govern. Let’s face it, we need leaders in congress, not politicians
Generational theft? Well, you be the judge.
Forecasted 2009 deficit: $1.6 trillion, including new stimulus and bank-bailout spending.
The national debt — the sum of all annual budget deficits — stands at $10.7 trillion. Or about $36,000 for every man, woman and child in the U.S. (http://zfacts.com/p/461.html)
The 4th-largest federal expenditure, after Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security and defense, is interest payments on the national debt. This year it will be nearly $500 billion.
Payments just for the stimulus bill and TARP? $183.3 million dollars a DAY in new tax revenue required, or $5.5 billion a MONTH…equating to a yearly repayment bill of $66 billion a year for 87.6 years to pay off these two alone (assuming %4 percent interest, which the Treasury will eventually have to offer to anyone dumb enough to lend us money). Total loan payoff, including interest, is $5.785 Trillion.
February 15th, 2009 at 6:07 pm