Gitmo Detainee’s ‘Genitals Were Sliced With A Scalpel,’ Waterboarding ‘Far Down The List Of Things They Did’
Gitmo Detainee’s ‘Genitals Were Sliced With A Scalpel,’ Waterboarding ‘Far Down The List Of Things They Did’
Last week, two British High Court judges ruled against releasing documents describing the treatment of Binyam Mohamed, a British resident who is currently being held at Guantanamo Bay. The judges said the Bush administration “had threatened to withhold intelligence cooperation with Britain if the information were made public.”
But The Daily Telegraph reported over the weekend that the documents actually “contained details of how British intelligence officers supplied information to [Mohamed's] captors and contributed questions while he was brutally tortured.” In fact, it was British officials, not the Americans, who pressured Foreign Secretary David Miliband “to do nothing that would leave serving MI6 officers open to prosecution.” According to the Telegraph’s sources, the documents describe particularly gruesome interrogation tactics:
The 25 lines edited out of the court papers contained details of how Mr Mohamed’s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, “is very far down the list of things they did,” the official said.
Another source familiar with the case said: “British intelligence officers knew about the torture and didn’t do anything about it.”
“It is very clear who stands to be embarrassed by this and who is being protected by this secrecy. It is not the Americans, it is Labour ministers,” former shadow home secretary David Davis said. But one unnamed U.S. House Judiciary Committee member told the Telegraph that if President Obama “doesn’t act we could hold a hearing or write to subpoena the documents. We need to know what’s in those documents.”
Mohamed remains at Guantanamo Bay and “is currently on hunger strike.” “All terror charges against him were dropped last year,” the Telegraph reported.
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and what a great idea it was to NOT prosecute the interrogators because they were “just following orders.”
am i missing something here?
aren’t the crusades over?
this is fukin 2009 right?
jesus.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:15 amI feel sick.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:16 amOh yeah, real freakin’ proud to be an American.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:18 amRegardless of what any detainee is accused of, this is torture. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts. Torture is a war crime. Crimes against humanity.
NUREMBERG II 2009
February 9th, 2009 at 11:19 amWhy isn’t this all over the “News”? They are pathetic. Over at CNN on their “Political Ticker” the first story is “Obama bumped his head”. What’s next Michelle broke a nail?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:19 amI knew that winning an argument was more important to Republicans than actually protecting the country was, but I didn’t think they’d go this far.
I mean, they kept claiming that waterboarding was “no big deal” — I just didn’t realize they were saying because they knew they had done so much worse.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:20 amWhile I’d like to make a joke about “fraternity pranks” I can’t bring myeself to do it today.
President Obama needs to step up now or he is forever tainted.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:24 amIn your guts, you knew it Ralph. That’s what is so horrifying about this. It was only a matter of time before the truth came out…..
February 9th, 2009 at 11:25 amYep, the real reason for suppression of detainee records is to cover up any information on their torture. The plan is to keep them in jail out of sight until they expire; then, of course, dead men tell no tales.
Thank you Dick Cheney, George Bush, Condi Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, et al.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:26 amWhat Bobwurst said.
Plus, is there any doubt in amyone’s mind that the case against any of these folks is permanently tained ?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am.
Bad apples…
… Grow from a rotten tree.
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February 9th, 2009 at 11:27 amThey “sliced his testicles with a scalpel”?
Thank you Doctor Mengele.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:28 amMohamed remains at Guantanamo Bay and “is currently on hunger strike.” “All terror charges against him were dropped last year,” the Telegraph reported.
If all charges against him have been dropped, why is he still there? Is Great Britain refusing to allow him to come home?
This man should be granted asylum in the USA and recompensed for his brutal treatment.
I’m all for Obama closing Gitmo, but I also think he needs to do something today to clean up conditions there. He needs to fire everyone in charge and put new people in place. Then he needs to start treating these people in a humane manner. It’s probably too late to keep them from becoming terrorists when they leave (to avenge their brutal treatment), but improving their treatment until they can be released will go a long way towards mitigating their hatred of our country.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:31 amI’m not saying repubs are perverts but there is a danger of going down that road.
If you have ever read ShoGun then you understand that torture is not about getting information, it is a sexual perversion.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:31 amFred Says:
I’m not saying repubs are perverts but there is a danger of going down that road.
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I’ve already said it, and more than once.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:35 amWAYNEBRO Says:
They “sliced his testicles with a scalpel”?
Thank you Doctor Mengele.
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One small correction, if I may?
Thank you, Doctor CHENEY.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:36 amceltic cynic Says:
Yep, the real reason for suppression of detainee records is to cover up any information on their torture. The plan is to keep them in jail out of sight until they expire; then, of course, dead men tell no tales.
They are well on the way to that now. One third of the detainees at Gitmo are on a hunger strike and many of them are approaching critical condition.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:37 amThere’s a lot worse information that’s going to come out over time.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:37 amTorturing is the kind of behavior you might expect from undisiplined 8 or 9 year old boys. Not adults who claim to be religious, that’s the kicker…..
Bush’s Lord of the Fly’s tenure will have similar consequenses.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:37 amThis is serious. Cleaning up conditions is not enough.
It appears Gitmo was a literal chamber of horrors. Something out of the Inquisitions. As Guido said Waterboardings always been a Red Herring designed to get us to focus on that so we don’t see the real horror lying beneath the surface.
Rumsfeld will now go down in history with such greats as Josef Mengele, and Tomas Torquemada. This is what we feared they were up to and now our worst fears are being confirmed.
As Jonathan Turley so aptly stated, if we don’t do something about this ourselves, the international community just might.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:37 amDisgusting.
There MUST be an investigation AND prosecutions. Not just some self-serving wrist slap exercise.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:41 amSure, but at this point the names are interchangeable.
Cheney, Mengele. Same thing.
Rummy, Torquemada, same thing.
Bush, Hitler, same thing.
At this point the only differences are in quantity.
Sounds like they got the quality down pat.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:42 amHmmm,
Graham, Lieberman, Cantor, Ensign, Sessions, Boner, DeMint, McHenry, and other Repukes claim waterboarding isn’t torture.
If they HAD balls, I wonder how they’d feel about a scalpel slicing down the old scrotum?
C’mon now, boys…if it’s not torture you’ll allow it done to yourselves, right?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:42 amWayne, if we don’t do something about this ourselves then we are no better than the German people who knew what was going on and did nothing…….we will reap only bad things from this.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:43 amYou know, all these “isolated instances of soldiers acting without orders” are mounting up considerably. How MANY instances are required before repugs will admit that these were MANDATED techniques. They were not interrogation methods: they were SOP prisoner treatment. Interrogation was the excuse.
The personell AT Gitmo are certainly dangerous and incompetent, AS WELL AS just as accountable as war criminals as the Bush administration.
I agree with BilboHB: the current personell at Gitmo need to be replaced IMMEDIATELY with trained guards who understand American laws (i.e. real prison guards, not a bunch of psycho sadists just getting their kicks).
The taint of the torture will render EVERY POSSIBLE fair trial to be a mistrial — none can be tried fairly, as even if you could find a prisoner there who was not tortured or treated inhumanely, the excess and regularity of such treatments at the facility taint every case there. They will all have to be released (including the guilty) because of the illegal methods authorized by the Bush Administration and performed by the personell at Gitmo. Nice job, scumbags.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:43 amFred, you are absolutely right about the connection to sexual perversion.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:44 amWow, excellent point zim. And lets hear more from them about what a nice resort atmosphere it is too…..
February 9th, 2009 at 11:45 amIt also seem reasonable to suspect that some of the torturers are bedwetters.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:45 amI find it quite interesting to see how this is all playing out. Even though Obama wants to “move forward”, it appears that our foreign allies are going to hold him to a higher standard. They are going to take the lead and everything will finally come out. How sad for us.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:46 amAnd Bush/Cheney aren’t being arrested and charged with WAR CRIMES because…
…the republicans would throw a hissy fit over their “Bush God” paying the price of his crimes?
…or Nancy and Harry would be implicated also?
…or both?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:49 amcynicalgirl Says:
They are going to take the lead and everything will finally come out. How sad for us.
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If the iron shoe fits… clearly you need to tighter a few more screws.
What goes around, comes around. The GOOP, and the American public by association, will get to live w/ this particular millstone around their necks for years to come. Snickering, sadistic perverts, indeed.
What have we become as a country?
February 9th, 2009 at 11:50 amcynicalgirl Says:
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I do think that it is fair to presume that the Bush Administration did NOT provide the incoming Obama administration with a list of their crimes. So, it is possible that the torture was not fully disclosed to Obama (the Bush Admin holds to the argument that they did not order torture, and that it was renegade soldiers). And it seems that what is happening is that other nations will want to defend themselves (”well, WE don’t torture…. America does…”), and will do so at OUR expense: another legacy of Bush.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:51 amYour flock is thinning out, sheeple, as the Good Shepherd Rush urges you off the cliff.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:52 amlol
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Anyone have a gibberish translator?
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I’d give it a try, but when he’s got his head so far up his own Cheney it’s hard to understand. Sounds like he’s muttering something about “a permanent Republican majority”… between endless sobbing.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:53 amcynicalgirl Says:
Actually, what Obama said is that the orders came from the top.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:56 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Three weeks into a new administration, and all we now hear is, “It’s Obama’s Fault”. Reich-wingers are so sad.
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But… but… Botch kept us all safe AFTER 9/11!!! See… he really wasn’t the POTUS on 9/11. Clinton refused to leave the WH. Heeh… gittin’ one last hummer in the Oval Office… and see what happened?
BUT… Botch kept us all safe AFTER 9/11!
February 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am.
What does it mean when our safety rests in the insanity of our Government?
Q U E S T I O N:
If up is down then is fomenting the ire of a gang of international terrorists about keeping us safe?
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February 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pmI said this yesterday and i’ll say it again today. To ALL of those who support torture, inhumane treatment, and other evil acts against humanity,may you have a family member abducted, imprisoned, and tortured.
Now, how was that.
RIP
February 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
The house of credit cards economy based on trickle down has gone belly up, and we must face another, sadder truth…
America is guilty of torture. 233 years into the World’s greatest Democracy we’ve let Fox into the Henhouse and they’re killing & torturing people.
‘I hope Obama fails’- Republican mantra
February 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pmMaybe we need to raise public awarness.
Maybe some vans with pictures on the side of torturing in progress touring the country…..
February 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pmFrom the article:
Mr Mohamed, 30, an Ethiopian, was granted refugee status in Britain in 1994. He was picked up in Pakistan in 2002 on suspicion of involvement in terrorism, rendered to Morocco and Afghanistan, tortured and then sent to Guantanamo Bay in 2004. All terror charges against him were dropped last year.
This revelation puts things in a whole new light. Physical mutilation was never something anyone – even the most dedicated Bushbot – defended as “not torture”. Slicing your jewels pretty much defines torture. If this was done at Gitmo by American personel it would totally change my attitude on pursuing charges against the entire chain of command all the way up to Bush. And that is a major change for me.
There are only two possible caveats. First, this info comes from “sources” left unamed by the newspaper. The fact of the allegation is not established. Second, as in the snippet above, he was rendered to Afghan and Morrocan authorities, it is possible the mutilation occured there. That would still be hideous, but rendition was used hundreds of times in the 90s, it would make the case a lot murkier.
All that said, I am with Annie. I feel sick.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pmI am pretty sure that if I wasn’t a terrorist before this treatment, I sure as hell would be after
February 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pmKeltoi — sounds like the light is starting to dawn on you…welcome to the light. Now, start pressuring your Congressman/woman to initiate war crimes trials like the rest of us.
OK, it was worth a shot…
February 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pmBut they lied and said it never happened…….nice try defending torture….
Don’t say you’re not, how else could your statement be interpreted.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pmsheeple Says:
Hurry TP change the subject before people start ridiculing the uhhhhhbama joke!
Anyone have a gibberish translator?
Translation: “Mommy, tell him to stop looking at me!”
February 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pmSo Sheeple, how do you feel about the topic of genital slicing?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pmsheeple, bush and the gop look like complete idiots but there is a good reason for it in thier case…..your’s too.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pmHey sheep-dip: it’s spelled “doofus”, which you ought to know since you saw it on plenty of your 2nd grade report cards last year.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:18 pmKeltoi Says: Second, as in the snippet above, he was rendered to Afghan and Morrocan authorities, it is possible the mutilation occured there. That would still be hideous, but rendition was used hundreds of times in the 90s, it would make the case a lot murkier.
Keltoi once again trying to justify actions by the Bush terrorist organization.
Rendition has been used hundreds of time since the 90’s to get bad guys out of the country that was allowing them to run free. Rendition for the purpose of torture only started under the Bush Crime Family.
It says a lot about your intellect that you can’t see the difference.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pmThis is just the tip of the ice berg and when everything finally comes to light – because there is so much more – our country will live with this shame forever. These sadistic policies came all the way from the top, from Bush on down to those that acted. It comes from a spirit of hatred and revenge that Bu$hCo infected all those torture apologists.
Where are the sick trolls who will lamely try to defend this?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pmsheeple, want to see a real complete idiot, how about gw falling down drunk at the olympics:
bush, falling down drunk at the olympics while people are being tortured at his command
February 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pmTroll translation software engaged:
Sheeple says:
I love torture. It is fun. It makes me feel all tingly down below. I tortured neighbohood animals when I was little. I tortured my little sister until she agreed to play “Clinton and Monica” with me (before I realized that I was really a repugnican). I eat dung.
There. Translator working.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:23 pmsheeple Says:
War is an ugly thing, and Americans seem to have forgotten that.
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Boy THAT sure is a mouthful of Shite.
It was torture, not war, and you’re a sick, disgusting fraud.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pmWar is an ugly thing, and Americans seem to have forgotten that.
Seems some have forgotten what being an American means…
February 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pmGo after the idiot behind this whole outburst of evil that started on 9/11, all this evil that was stirred by his illegitimate rise to power. Now the whole economy is dripping down the drain, and his criminal wars for profit still go on!
Where is that idiot now? Go drag him out of the jacuzzi, it won’t be hard, he’s a little heavier but wasted drunk 24/7, prosecute him, jail him, and execute him!
As soon as that is done we will be ready to look and move ahead!
February 9th, 2009 at 12:27 pmKeltoi Says:
All that said, I am with Annie. I feel sick.
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Gee… ya think?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pmTranslator working:
dbadass Says:
So Sheeple, how do you feel about the topic of genital slicing?
sheeple Says:
I have no morals. I think torture is fun. The only people that matter are those I select. Otherwise, they are not people. I still eat dung.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pmbelac Says:
Seems some have forgotten what being an American means…
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And some never knew in the first place…
February 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pmWar is an ugly thing, and Americans seem to have forgotten that.
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February 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pmSo what parts of whom shall we cut up so as to win that war on poverty?
sheeple Says:
War is an ugly thing, and Americans seem to have forgotten that.
Well, you’re an ugly thing, and your momma has never forgotten that.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pmdbadass: So Sheeple, how do you feel about the topic of genital slicing?
sheeple: War is an ugly thing, and Americans seem to have forgotten that.
True Americans, moral Americans, thoughtful Americans still remember, sheeple. It’s too bad that there are so many of you false, immoral, thoughtless “Americans” out to destroy what this great country of ours has been based upon since its inception.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pmAccording to the Bush apologists we don’t torture because there was no death and no organ failure so what’s the big deal?
Sure we sliced his nuts off, but the point is that we sewed them back on and except for the scars, physical and mental he’s probably going to live.
Hell, we thought the guy had something to say so we put him in the freezer naked and doused him with water until his heart stopped. But we warmed him back up, shocked the heart and it’s running just fine. In fact we did this every day for a week. It got to be sooooo funny. When we put Binyam in the room and lowered the temperature, the look on his face was terrified!
Turns out the brown bastard didn’t have anything relevant to add, but the point is he might have. He might have had information that could have saved New York City and every person in it. Do you know anyone in NYC? Well then STFU and let us go about the business of keeping you safe. We are doing it for Yoo.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pmThanks to truly evil people in the world such as yourself, we have fresh images of just how ugly it is and why it is a thing to be avoided, not glorified.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pmLast time I checked I couldn’t find anything about “genital slicing” in the Army Operations Field Manual, nor in any other references for conducting warfare.
Even Sun Tzu seems to have omitted that one.
So while I can concur with you that war is an “ugly thing”, where our paths diverge is in comparing the evil of torture, to war.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm.
“Yes I am emotional about torture SIR!” Shami Chakrabarti SAVAGES UK Minister Geoff “Buff” Hoon
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February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pmSay, sheeple… can you link to the congressional declaration of “war” that you found your disconnected justification for acts of inhumanity?
Shorter version: when, exactly, did the American Congress make a formal declaration of war (the only body in the Republic capable, by law, of declaring war)?
The “rules” of our country did NOT change on 9/11, no matter how much you would like them to have. So, if America is at war (as per your justification/rationalization), where is our declaration of war? If not, then you need some other line of crap to justify torture, since America is NOT at “war”.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pmWhat is more shocking than the fact the USA engaged in this War Crime is the fact there are people willing to defend it.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThis $hit is going to come home to roost one way or another.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pmAfter taking a “fact finding trip” to Guantanamo Bay with several of his Republican colleagues including Sens. John Boehner (R-OH), David Vitter (R-LA), Richard Burr (R-NC), Pat Roberts (R-KS), and Sam Brownback (R-KS), Sen Jim Inhofe’s (R-OK) group was attributed to have made statements like:
– “I don’t know that there’s a terrorist treated better anywhere in the world than what has happened at Guantanamo.” – Sen John Boehner;
– “Well, I agree that its gotten an image. I don’t know that that’s all completely deserved,” Sen. Sam Brownback;
– “…the conditions are “well thought out and in keeping with our Nation’s highest ideals.” Sen Richard Burr.
It has been reported in the UK Guardian Newspaper that Lt. Col. Yvonne Bradley is demanding the release of her client, who is “dying” because of his treatment. But first, Bradley, a US military attorney for 20 years, will reveal that Mohamed, 31, is dying in his Guantánamo cell and that conditions inside the Cuban prison camp have deteriorated badly since Barack Obama took office.” Fifty of its 260 detainees are on hunger strike and, say witnesses, are being strapped to chairs and force-fed, with those who resist being beaten. At least 20 are described as being so unhealthy they are on a “critical list”, according to Bradley.
One would wonder just where these conscientious fact-finding Senators actually spent their fact-finding tour!?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pmsheeple Says:
If we would let the troops and our intelligence dept. do their job without both hands and feet tied together the troops would be home by now!
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What asinine gibberish. BotchCo DID Do what they wanted to, and they accomplished next to nothing of value, unless you consider killing untold thousands of Iraqis, alienating the saner parts of world, shredding the Constitution, and running up huge deficits worthy accomplishments.
I repeat… you’re a sick, disgusting person.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pmsheeple Says:
If we would let the troops and our intelligence dept. do their job without both hands and feet tied together the troops would be home by now!
**head banging against wall** How many friggin’ times have I asked a troll what “winning”, “victory”, “the job”, and “success” means in our foray into Iraq and Afghanistan? Without a clear, measureable objective ever being given? And now this wool-ball seems to be suggesting the “job” of our troops was to torture?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pmIf we would let the troops and our intelligence dept. do their job without both hands and feet tied together the troops would be home by now!
You’re probably right.
If the troops and intelligence dept. had their way, they wouldn’t be torturing… we wouldn’t be in Iraq at all… Osama bin Laden would have been captured in Tora Bora and tried in NYC… and Afghanistan would have received the attention it deserved and demanded.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pmIf we would let the troops and our intelligence dept. do their job without both hands and feet tied together the troops would be home by now!
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Will they be wearing necklaces of human testicles?
February 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pmCrap. This is Khmer Rouge level brutality. Incidentally, they were another fine, upstanding regime that we indirectly put into power…
February 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
For the Christian Conservatives out there…
When God sees your support for torture and in the vain of His Son’s Commandment, “Do unto others what you would have them do unto you,” just where would God rendition you to and to whom would he entrust to become your torturer? The Devil? To Hell?
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February 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pmNice addition to the Bush Liebury. Go Methodists. Praise Jeebus, let’s slice some scrotum.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pmZero, look up a word. It will help you understand the world you live in…..the word is “metaphor”
Then you can compare that to the word…..”reality”
That is, if you have any grasp of the concept of reality…..
February 9th, 2009 at 12:45 pmSheeple said:
The one’s to watch out for wear horns…
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February 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pmSo, taxes aren’t the only thing the Republicans want to cut.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pmZero can’t tell the difference between the metaphorical and the real. There’s got to be a scientific name for that condition. If not, something like Zeroencephaly will have to do for now.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:52 pm…because they are busy obsessing about some crazy woman who had more babies than we would have liked her to have. It is great to jump all over and attack a sad sack like that. Everyone gets to feel really sane and good about themselves. This type of story, not so much. It is just icky. Gotta leave stuff like this to those kooky-fringe-leftie types.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:52 pmSo here’s zero and sheeple defending sadistic, dehamanizing acts of torture because “it’s war god damn it!” What war do you speak of? Bushie’s never ending “war on terra”? A war that can never be won with supposed enemies that can never be accurately identified? You sick, twisted, despicable excuses for human beings need to leave this country at once! There’s a cell at Gitmo that has your name on it. Get movin’!!
February 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pmsheeple Says:
‘I recall when Men were Men & Sheep were nervous’.
Thank God for zippers, Sheeple, now you can hear them coming.
February 9th, 2009 at 12:56 pmSheeple?
Care to comment on the intelligence professionals opinion that torture doesn’t work?
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/10/fbi-interrogator-tor.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2302-2005Jan11.html
February 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pmsheesh…….dehumanizing…
February 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pmThat’s why the Scots wear kilts, the sheeple over there can hear a zipper from a mile away.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:04 pmHuh? So what you’re saying is that they slices genitals because their hands were tied? Or are you saying Bushco tied the intelligence dept. when they made them fit their intel to their desire to invade Iraq.
My Little Orphan Annie decoder ring isn’t working so I’m having trouble figuring out what you’re saying.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pmSatan is about to pull the plug on Bush. Bush worshiped him and was given a lot of power, but now his crimes are way too blatant. The sheeple are starting to smell crime all over. They’re supposed to be tricked into believing we still have a democracy. Bush’s crimes resonate louder and louder each day and this worries the Illuminati. Pretty soon they’ll have to dispose of the idiot, he now stands in the way of their purpose to dominate the world.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pmI just knew some #$&^*(@#$###!! trolls would come here to defend the indefensible
Yes sheeple, and zero, I MEAN YOU!!!
ectoendomezo said something about Trannie Coulter having a German Shepherd in her face. More likely, having one mount her.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:10 pmTo be optimistic, we are only three weeks into Bush’s retirement and all this is starting to pour out. Maybe there is hope.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:11 pmIn a nutshell (no pun intended):
Bush starts a war aided by Tony Blair, each against their own nation’s laws and international law.
Bush begins ‘rendition’ and torture, aided by Tony Blair,each against their own nation’s laws and international law.
The US Supreme Court and the DoJ ignore or uphold Bush’s illegal actions.
The UK justice system attempts to redress the illegal actions of Bush and Blair.
The Bush regime threatens the UK justice system, as do Blair’s policy enforcers in MI5.
The UK press covers the issue, the US media buries it.
President Obama has yet to say or do anything public about it.
Bush and Blair are free, specially protected citizens with plenty of cash and currently no fear of prosecution.
One of many still lives in a cell, without charges or verifiable justification, having been physically and mentally tortured for years.
Anyone of us can go to jail for an unpaid parking ticket—even if it was due to some mitigating emergency.
But the bigger the crime, the less you do time and for the biggest of crimes, you do no time at all.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pmLet this happen to an American and then see what people say. An innoent young man destroyed.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pmJackie,
Jose Padilla…
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_officials_authorized_torture_of_US_0130.html
It doesn’t change what he was convicted of, however, a US citizen he is and tortured he was!
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February 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pmHague for the Entire Bush/Chenney and Tony B-lier administration! They are war criminals!
February 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pmObama, you are taking a bit too long to do something about it. This matter will not go away! You can not move foward by pushing these crimes under the carpert!
JUSTICE NOW!
TP UPDATE: BREAKING: Genital Slicing Linked to Republican “sexual enhancement” operations.
BREAKING: AP is reporting that newly released medical documents reveal that the technique of “genital slicing” on helpless prisoners was in fact not primarily used as a torture method but instead as a means of providing key republicans with functional male genitalia of their own.
AP has learned that top ranking republicans are either missing primary male sexual appendages or suffer from severely undersized genitalia insufficient for coitus or other functions including failing to provide the necessary testosterone levels required to avoid panicking and or “pant crapping” in the face of terrorism.
Insiders report that it was determined that since so many of the Arab men seemed to sport unusually large male appendages it was felt these might help the republican party improve their masculine image by grafting onto key party members, genitalia actually visible without requiring a microscope. “It was hoped that the new appendages would provide testosterone levels sufficient to deal with the threats we face today” said Doctor Richard Schlong, chief plastic surgeon overseeing the operations. “The abnormally tiny testicles found on most of the party leadership can lead to diminished capacity for handling danger, and often results in knee jerk reactions and an inability to control fear mongering said Doctor Schlong. “Hitler as you know, only had one dangler, and look how that turned out“.
Minority party leaders hailed the procedures as a “triumph” over both terrorists and prescriptive Viagra. “Now my name actually means something….and you know those young Arab boys, well, they’ve sure got some big ones”. declared Senate Minority leader John Boehner. When asked how functional his new appendages were Senator Boehner replied “well you know what they say, it’s not the size of the tool but the size of the stiches that counts.”“.
The Senate and House minority leadership are holding a special session or “cockiss” this afternoon to discuss the distribution and integration of the new House and Senate “members” and the role they’ll play in the parties future.
Film at 11:00.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pmKeltoi Says:
This revelation puts things in a whole new light. Physical mutilation was never something anyone – even the most dedicated Bushbot – defended as “not torture”. Slicing your jewels pretty much defines torture. If this was done at Gitmo by American personel it would totally change my attitude on pursuing charges against the entire chain of command all the way up to Bush. And that is a major change for me.
According to the John Yoo torture memo delivered to the White House from the Office of Legal Counsel in the DoJ, genital slicing would not count as torture.
I don’t see anything in that definition that would preventing cutting or burning. All it takes is somebody in the room stating that they’re of the opinion that what’s going on wouldn’t hurt as much as a ruptured kidney, and they’re in the clear.
Consider that this is just the start of what we’re going to find out about, in terms of horrific practices. We’re also going to eventually find out about deaths, and the circumstances leading up to them.
Another reason us libs have been whining about the torture is that if it’s being done “within limits” then it’s also being done to disgusting extremes. By definition, it’s not the sort of thing that you can keep under control. The entire point is to shock the detainee by being willing to go farther than they thought you would. Which means doing the maximum, not the minimum or the appropriate amount.
The only way to win is not to play.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pmecto, take it down a notch. Imagica was a fiction novel dude.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pmRead the book “Eight O’Clock Ferry to the Windward side – Seeking justice in Guantanamo Bay- By Clive Stafford Smith.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:13 pmIt’s an awesome book and just gives you the truth – or more of the truth- about this whole BS.
Gitmo needs to be closed ASAP and the people there need to be treated with some respect and human treatment. It’s so sad and sick what the military is doing with them.
Read the book!!! It will open your eyes!!! I got sick!! But awesome book!!!!
I see.
There was outrage (rightfully so) when those poor American soldiers in Iraq were captured and brutally slain a few years back.
But castrating a prisoner who has NOT been found guilty of terrorism?
*crickets chirping*
…And Jesus wept!
February 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pmCom on guys….isn’t this one of the same Wogs that cut Ken Pearls head off?
I really don’t remember all the outrage?
February 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pmtommyrot Says:
I assume you mean Daniel Pearl… and no. It is not. Notice that all charges have been dropped?
And even if it were, we do things differently. The outrage comes from the betrayal of those values that make America great…
And Wog? Great- let’s add racism to our evils… go and rot, tommy.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pmyeah you’re right belac… I mean a slice on the sack is so much worse than having your head cut off….please
February 9th, 2009 at 3:17 pmWell, he’s not being charged with terrorism (or anything, really)… I assume you haven’t been charged with terrorism either… are you offering up your sack in the name of ’security?’
Great! Let’s get slicing… you’re disgusting.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pmBarbaric. And to think how many of you left gatekeepers disbelieve that 9/11 was an inside job. Funny how the only skyscraper collapses due to fire have happened on 9/11.
http://www.infowars.com/fire-consumes-wtc-7-size-skyscraper-building-does-not-collapse/
February 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pmTehuti Says:
Doesn’t follow… Bush is/was criminally incompetent, torture is more evidence of his incompetence… see above for links on torture not working…
February 9th, 2009 at 3:31 pmBush could never have ‘planned’ 9/11… he just screwed up the aftermath like everything else.
Tehuti Says: Where is my Tin Hat?
Funny how no other skyscrapers have been hit by a JetLiner.
Hmmmmmm?
You guys are too funny.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:31 pmWell I guess that those Repug senators that recently visited Gitmo might be inclined to take their freebie commemorative smiley face “I visited Gitmo” mugs off their desktops now. Well at least until this latest outrage blows over.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:32 pmSo THAT’s how they justify waterboarding? Because other acts they committed were even worse??
February 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pmBAGHDAD – A suicide car bomber struck a U.S. patrol in northern Iraq on Monday, killing four American soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter in the deadliest single attack against U.S. forces in nine months
We are going to let all of the innocents at Gitmo out and this will multiply 3 fold.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pmLeft gatekeepers=Bush apologists.
Of course GW didn’t plan 9/11. The man was just a puppet, just like O-BAAAA-ma. Where’s your CHANGE now? All I see are more renditions, more troops in the battlefield, more corporate welfare & deficit spending.
Bunch of sheep you are. Have fun in the FEMA camps.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:23 pmYo RandomChaos: WTC7 wasn’t hit by a jetliner. Where’s your brain? Quit acting like you know.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pmWe are going to let all of the innocents at Gitmo out and this will multiply 3 fold.
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February 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pmI am curious about this math. Did you just randomly pick that multiplier or were complex calculations involved?
ya got me dbadsass…pulled it out of the air
February 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmtommyrot Says:
Com on guys….isn’t this one of the same Wogs that cut Ken Pearls head off?
I really don’t remember all the outrage?
February 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Do you have any evidence that this particular person was one of the ones who killed Daniel Pearl? If not, this statement is meaningless.
tommyrot Says:
BAGHDAD – A suicide car bomber struck a U.S. patrol in northern Iraq on Monday, killing four American soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter in the deadliest single attack against U.S. forces in nine months
We are going to let all of the innocents at Gitmo out and this will multiply 3 fold.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
If they’re innocent, then why are they there? Has anyone determined, in a court or tribunal of some kind, that everyone at GTMO is actually guilty of something? I hope you’re not going to bring up that debunked lie about 61 of them getting out and returning to the battelfield, because that statistic simply isn’t supported by the facts (which means it’s a lie.)
February 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pmWould you like to wager on the increase of atrocities against US troops after the innocents are released?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:32 pmtommyrot believes innocent people should be kept in jail because they might do something bad when they are finally released from their illegal detentions.
February 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pmSure why not. So you have waged 3x increase in incidences, is that correct? So any other result will result in you losing any such wager I would assume. Now being a reasonable fellow I would suggest we stay to whole integer percentage increase or decreases. Now what shall the wager be?
Why do I get the distinct feeling you are going to go back on that 3x thing…
February 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pmWould you like to wager on the increase of atrocities against US troops after the innocents are released?
Are you arguing that innocents should be held because you ‘wager’ that they may attack US troops?
You are creepy, scary and ignorant all at once…
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmOops sorry tommyrot. Didn’t see that you already had. I appreciate the honesty
February 9th, 2009 at 4:38 pmTehuti Says:
I don’t understand truthers logic… if there is a vast conspiracy that will result in all of us rotting in ‘FEMA camps’ won’t the conspirators be smart enough to collect the truthers as well?
Or will simply saying, ‘I knew something fishy was happening at WTC7!! I knew it!!!’ insulate them from this coming conspiracy conflagration?
February 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmWayne….why do you think they are all innocent?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:01 pmWayne….why do you think they are all innocent?
tommy, don’t you think that’s something we should find out?
Shouldn’t there be some way to determine guilt or innocence?
What’s that called?
Oh yeah, a trial… now if only we hadn’t tortured these guys we could have one of those.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:04 pmI am all for a trial my friend. Hang the guilty and let the innocent go.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pmnanlichi Says:
According to the Bush apologists we don’t torture because there was no death and no organ failure so what’s the big deal?
No deaths that we know about. But, considering the number of people who have simply disappeared while in US custody, I suspect that quite a few people died from their torture.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:10 pmI am all for a trial my friend. Hang the guilty and let the innocent go.
Okay, trials are a good step… but what if we can’t convict because the ‘evidence’ is all circumstantial or obtained through torture… see ‘all charges dropped’ link at top of the page.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pmShouldn’t we go after those who perverted justice through the illegal detention and torture, as well?
tommyrot Says:
Would you like to wager on the increase of atrocities against US troops after the innocents are released?
I think it is guaranteed that we are going to see an increase in atrocities against our troops due to the example we have set for the rest of the world. How in the hell can we protest if some bad guys start cutting up the balls of our soldiers? How can we protest if our soldiers simply disappear. How can we protest if our soldiers are waterboarded? We have lost our moral authority in the eyes of the world and it will take a long time to get it back.
If there is a god, tommyrot, maybe someday you will be picked up off the street in front of your house and taken somewhere to be disappeared and tortured. It would be fitting justice.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pmtommyrot,
I never said they were ALL innocent, you did:
“We are going to let all of the innocents at Gitmo out and this will multiply 3 fold.”
My question was, how do you know if they are innocent or guilty? The vast majority of the people being held have never been brought before any kind of judge to determine if their detention is legal, and if they are, in fact, guilty of something.
No, you and the other GTMO-lovers have asserted all along that these people are all guilty, or else they wouldn’t have been there in the first place. My contention is that no fair-minded person has determined which ones are guilty and which ones were actually innocent.
You should learn how to read more carefully and not put words in my mouth that I didn’t say.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pmLike wise Wayne….I have never asserted that they are all guilty….I was being sar cas tic in labeling them all innocent like the liberals here today.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pmya’ll have a pleasant evening.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:27 pm“like the liberals here today”
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
February 9th, 2009 at 5:31 pmAnd y’all tommyrot in Hell.
BTW, your sarcasm did not make whatever point it was you were trying to make. Just made whatever you were trying to say unbelievable, ignorant, and stupid-sounding.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:33 pmtehuti,
February 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pmLike you would know. LOL
Go buy some more Tinfoil Tool.
I would refute you, but I refuse to argue with an unarmed person.
We will never know which are innocent and which are guilty because of the tainted nature of evidence secured and obscured by TORTURE. Torture serves no purpose.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:46 pmWe do not lock people away and torture confessions out of them just on the chance they might do something bad, or at least we didn’t used to.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pmBack before America traded its FREEDOM for a fleeting sense of security. We have done to ourselves what Bin Laden could only dream of doing to us.
February 9th, 2009 at 5:56 pmThat’s a bet I won’t touch Bilbo. The number of deaths caused by our torture will never be known.
As far as increased atrocities caused by inmates at Gitmo, where the fck do these troll come from? First, it’s Gitmo and torture that are the best ever recruiting tools for AQ ever. Fact.
And second, who is talking about releasing prisoners anyway? That straw man has been debunked so many times. How about a fair trial and releasing the innocent?
Hell, I am even supportive of a fair trial for Bush and Cheney and the rest. If they’re innocent, let them go back into society. Surely there’s a town that would take them, like say…Dallas.
February 9th, 2009 at 6:12 pmIf the Criminal Bush and the RepubliCons are not brought to justice, America will remain a criminal nation.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:18 pmObama’s on right now. Maybe this will be brought up. (hope)
February 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pmThe problem is that this stuff will never go away until someone owns up to it, or someone is prosecuted. Otherwise we will remain infected with dishonesty for at least another generation. Who wants that?
February 9th, 2009 at 9:58 pm.
tommyrot,
Please name the redeeming quality to torture?
If it’s what the “bad guys” do, then what does that make the USA when it’s what we do?
Of course, silly me, it’s not torture when we do it, NO?
You do realize, that in turn even what these bad guys did to Pearl, your support of our team engaging in torture validates what the “enemy” did as being a good thing. Therefore, any outrage you may have about mistreatment and beheading of Americans is NOT genuine, in the least. If anything, it’s morally dishonest. Which is NOT the character trait worth parading around.
So go back to your hole, troll!
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February 10th, 2009 at 1:13 am#129 tommyrot Says:
Sounds like you pulled out your fecal hole.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:20 am.
Oh, and Tommyrot,
Since when is detaining and holding someone, engaging in acts deemed to be barbaric torture, applicable to “INNOCENT” people? This happens to be America, where we detain AND charge someone with crimes. Then we give them a trial so to as to provide them the best available opportunity to make a defense. And, since this is America, when their case falls apart or are convicted, then given a punishment to suit the crime. It’s in the Constitution. And before you say the Fifth Amendment covers only Americans, I implore you to find where the Bill of Rights is extended for Americans only. Also, read Article II, Section 2 states(in part):
And then read Article IV(in part):
Now, why do you hate America and Her Laws and Constitution so that you would feel compelled to argue against them?
But then again, if you weren’t some snot nosed troll, you’d know more than blind loyalty to a man and become the Patriot you think you are… NOT!
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February 10th, 2009 at 1:36 amOops…
February 10th, 2009 at 1:37 ammeant Article VI, NOT IV… ma bad;/
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Tommyrot,
Why are you afraid of an innocent person?
Should we then. be afraid of you, too?
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February 10th, 2009 at 1:41 amBush had been responsible for abuses at Guantanamo.
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February 10th, 2009 at 2:05 amtehuti,
Like you would know. LOL
Go buy some more Tinfoil Tool.
I would refute you, but I refuse to argue with an unarmed person.
Do your research buddy. There’s no refuting that WTC 7 WASN’T hit by any plane, yet it still came down in exactly the manner of a controlled demolition.
I don’t understand truthers logic…
Yes it’s strange to want to arrive at the truth of an historic event, isn’t it?
Incompetence theory=BS. That’s the biggest, most absurd, conspiracy theory of them all—that Bush & Co. were “too incompetent” not to torture people, or loot the Treasury, have NORAD stand down on 9/11, etc.
You might want to get outside of your socialist groupthink and take a look at the science behind 9/11:
http://www.ae911truth.org/ – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://www.infowars.com/debunkers-claim-wtc-7-%E2%80%9Chit-by-a-757%E2%80%B3/
February 10th, 2009 at 11:42 amTehuti Says:
You’re a joke…
February 10th, 2009 at 11:45 amNice comeback you sheep. I think you’re just embarrassed because your precious O-baaa-ma turned out to be, like Bush, another warmongering frontman for the banking cartels. Now that’s “progress”!
February 10th, 2009 at 12:22 pmI think you’re just embarrassed because your precious O-baaa-ma turned out to be, like Bush, another warmongering frontman for the banking cartels. Now that’s “progress”!
No, you are just a joke… there’s nothing more to say really… although I appreciate that you seem to have studied Egyptian mythology… that’s something, I guess.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pmAnd you really need to find something better than ’sheep’ to insult me with…
I’ve read your ‘research’ into 9/11 and found it lacking… I’ve read the research of architects and scientists who find that the attacks and collapse are totally consistent with planes flying into the towers and the Pentagon… WTC7 structural integrity was compromised by falling debris and fire… someone has the math for you to read if you don’t believe me… The fact is that this is a forum for discussing the torture of a prisoner at Gitmo… you have plenty of places on the ‘net to discuss the ‘truth’ of 9/11… I’ve been to them… groupthink sheep… heh.
February 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pmI blame the American people for voting for GWB in the first place. Too many people are fuhrer worshipping authoritarians. It’s as if the Republican fuhrer worshippers want a STRONG military style government with a STRONG leader as opposed to our weak democracy and Constitution. So many laws broken in the name of national security. I can’t believe Gitmo actually happened. PLEASE, can we return to the rule of law. Due process and habeas corpus at least! I bet Cheney would visit Gitmo and participate for fun. Just unbelievable!
February 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pmluvlylib Says:
Really? You need to come do long dead threads and post this nonsense?
February 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pmluvlylib Says:
Funny… wait no, lame.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pmWhy is torture awesome again, remind me…
Where’s the proof of this article? Where has the Telegraph posted these papers?
Humane treatment? Religiously correct meals (the average detainee gains 14 Lbs within one year), free Korans; a 20K book library; better living conditions than they’ve ever had. Gee…
February 10th, 2009 at 7:24 pmwhere’s the torture> Nothing has been done that isn’t covered by the Geneva Convention.
Nothing has been done that isn’t covered by the Geneva Convention.
Then why did Bush argue so strenuously that they weren’t covered by the Geneva Convention?
February 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pmbelac:
February 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pmPlease stop asking questios they can not answer
Notice the article says that he was rendered to Pakistan and Morocco which is where the torture occured, not Gitmo. This sort of thing has been happening at least as far back as ‘95 when extraordiary renditions started.
February 11th, 2009 at 3:19 amluvlylib
Where did you come from? How many months have you been here?
How much money was your “Papi” paid to vote for “the Obama”?
Oh waterboarding has nothing to do with playing on the beach.
Sorry.
February 11th, 2009 at 10:51 amhttp://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/09/state_secrets/index.html
Interesting reading.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:46 amI must have stumbled into a den of liberal snakes.
February 13th, 2009 at 11:24 pmWhy all this talk of cutting nuts? You folks don’t believe that crap do ya?
The CIA has lots of better ways to get information. They are the Pros, let them do their job. One of the ways they (CIA) can get there info is with waterboarding. Its not torture its EFFECTIVE. We have done more waterboarding of our on military than we have on terrorist. Why? because its EFFECTIVE and it does not leave a scar. AH nuts!!!
You liberal wennies make me want to puke. John McCain was not for waterboarding because I think he was suffering from Stockhome syndrome, but I digressssss. I have two granddaughters and McCain is too liberal for me, so you can imagine how safe I think liberals are going to keep us.
By the way I agree with you liberals that the military should not be in charge of Gitmo. Military troops should be used for what they were intended not jailers. They should be training to KILL. The great Obama signs a executive order to close Gitmo. Like a typical liberal he has not thought through the consequences of that action. What are we gonna do put the terrorist into our free democratic judical system on American soil. Typical liberal answer to “can we all get along” THEY ARE TERRRRRRRRRORIST. And O by the way they have not rights under the Geneva Convention. THEY ARE TERRORIST. They do not play by the rules that a soldier must abide by. You be-little ourmilitary when you compare them in the same breath.
OOOO by the way our saviour Obama is going to make Leon Panetta head of the CIA. LEON has no has no Intelligence background. I watch with great interest Mr Panetta at senate intelligence hearing. He answer questions concerning Obama’s directive on torture and extraordinary rendition. What a DANCE, We call it the Panetta dance where he said we will not use torture ie waterbording except in extreme situations.
HELLO!!!!!!!! Thats what happens when a human being wants to kill Americans LOTS OF AMERICANS AT ONE TIME. I don’t see Mr Panetta lasting in the job very long. The realities that he will be exposed to will drive his liberal mind mad. Or, he will go off he deep end and believe he is above the law like Sandy Berger. All you liberals remember good ole Sandy, National Security Advisor to Bill Clinton (I did not have sex with that woman, Monica L) and we wonder why Muslim extremist call the US the great satan, but I digresss. Good ole Sandy Berger took top secret documents for what ever reason hidden in his shirt, pants and socks. What a guy, makes ya proud to be an American don’t it? If I would have done anything close to that when I was in the military I would still be in JAIL.
I’m glad I am old, I will not have to live with this crap long. BUT my granddaughters will and I want America’s intelligence professionals to do all they can to keep them from harms way.
Now if you will excuse me, I worked hard to get through the comments that you Liberal a holes put on this indignant website, I am over the urge to puke but you of little responsibility make me want to take a very long and EFFECTIVE shower.
Well, after reading your bullshit, uninformed tripe, the rest of us have to puke as well. Just like a reich winger, figuring to dump their shit on the younger generation. What is it about you cement-headed morons that you hold such stupid views even after they have been debunked by the professionals?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pmWar is an ugly thing, and Americans seem to have forgotten that.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:53 amSo what parts of whom shall we cut up so as to win that war on poverty??
I am so disgusted and not proud to be an American. Britians are even worse- they approved the torture of their own. Not that we, Americans, do not torture our own either. Morrocco is a peice of crap country who goes beyond torture.
February 24th, 2009 at 12:49 am