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Signs welcoming Bush to Dallas neighborhood mysteriously disappearing.

wsignweb.jpgStarting last December, many of former President Bush’s soon-to-be Dallas neighbors purchased and displayed signs welcoming him to the neighborhood. But now the residents say they are being stolen. “This is our fourth ‘Welcome home George and Laura’ sign,” one homeowner said. “The first night that we had them out, they were in our front yard,” she said. “They were taken.” Texas Christian University sophomore Patrick Bibb, who is selling the signs, looks to be the big winner of the Bush sign theft ring:

Bibb, whose parents live in the Bush’s new neighborhood, started selling the $20 signs to help pay his tuition.

He said he originally ordered 100 signs and was initially worried about being able to sell them all. To date, he has sold 800 signs — and he said dozens of his customers are, like Lori Tucker, returning customers.

While no one could determine exactly why the signs were being stolen, Tucker “said she will continue to buy them because she feels strongly about welcoming the Bushes home.” Indeed, Bush reportedly “called Bibb to personally thank him for creating the signs.”



98 Responses to “Signs welcoming Bush to Dallas neighborhood mysteriously disappearing.”

  1. Nevar says:

    George is redecorating the inside of his new home.


  2. Shayne says:

    Since this college kid, Patrick Bibb, is a Republican he probably is stealing the signs himself so he can sell the chumps another one.


  3. krystalviews says:

    Like a true-blue repugnican, this Bibb character is more interested in $$$ cashing in than any “loyalty” toward this war criminal. Even Hitler still has admirers. Doesn’t diminish their heinous crimes. I’m just happy to see that Bush will have a hard time wherever he goes. Specially in a city that voted for OBAMA !!


  4. Hoodathunk says:

    Probably not Shayne unless he is a closet progressive into recycling.

    Of course he might just be an ‘enterprising capitalist.’


  5. ScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) says:

    Yep, I’m leaning towards Bibb also. An authentic Bush-hater would have left the sign there but set it on fire. LOL.


  6. belac says:

    Since this college kid, Patrick Bibb, is a Republican he probably is stealing the signs himself so he can sell the chumps another one.

    Another one? Hmm…

    he originally ordered 100 signs
    To date, he has sold 800 signs

    …he’s sold 800 but the article never said he’d ordered more…


  7. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    $20.00 for a freaking sign? These Republicans are getting ripped off.


  8. MapleStreet says:

    If I were to protest, I’d paint the outline of a shoe on the signs.


  9. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    Looks like some of the Republican thieves from Washington DC followed the boy Bush to his new home.


  10. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre says:

    “Welcome to rural Paraguay, Senor Boosh. Heck of alot of brush cuttin’ to be done here, Sir.”


  11. Keith H. says:

    Let’s create a couple thousand ‘War Criminals Must Die’ signs and see if we can outsell young patty in his own town.


  12. AlexM says:

    It stands to reason that if Bush were truly “welcome home,” it wouldn’t take a company to create these signs — they would be littering front yards, put their by neighbors.


  13. ElBruce says:

    Like Dubya is going to drive around the neighborhood looking at people’s lawns. What the hell purpose do they think these signs are supposed to serve?


  14. hanshiro says:

    Payback’s a b¡tch, ain’t it?

    CRAWFORD : The Camp Casey Memorial on Prairie Chapel Road was removed by thieves earlier today. Not a single item is left at the memorial site.

    Crew members working for McLennan County said they witnessed items being removed by an unidentified individual and contacted their office to inform commissioners.

    Among the items stolen were numerous crosses, Casey Sheehan’s boots, tents, and other items.

    On the other hand, anyone scummy enough to print bush welcoming signs would be scummy enough to steal them and resell them back to the Texas rubes…


  15. Fred says:

    Nice little racket Bibb has going. Sell them signs then steal them….then sell them more signs…..heh.


  16. hanshiro says:

    Actually, another way to interpret that sign is, “Welcome Home George and Laura…Thank GOD you’re not in Washington anymore…


  17. Fred says:

    hashiro, I owe you a coke.


  18. konchster says:

    I think the number one suspect has been identified Being a repug he don’t need no stinking stimulus Business is just great among conning the rich and stupid


  19. telestai2 says:

    Cats r Flyfishn Says:
    $20.00 for a freaking sign? These Republicans are getting ripped off.

    It’s about freakin’ time that THEY experienced having something stolen!


  20. hanshiro says:

    17. Fred Says: hashiro, I owe you a coke.

    Winning a coke for posting a line…there’s a joke in there somewhere…


  21. Fred says:

    hanshiro Says:
    17. Fred Says: hashiro, I owe you a coke.

    Winning a coke for posting a line…there’s a joke in there somewhere…

    You beat me to the “he must be stealing them and selling them back to them” line…..

    I see belac and several others also beat me to the obvious conclusion……cokes all round.


  22. Mathazar says:

    My guess is there’s a Chinese resident practicing some
    feng shui.


  23. IgnoranceIsNotBliss says:

    What I find interesting is that his parents live in the same neighborhood as shrub and he has to raise money to help pay for his tuition?

    Maybe it’s his parents stealing the signs.


  24. Bobwurst says:

    Let’s tie a yellow ribbon around george’s neck and drag him to the nearest tree…Didn’t bush say something about “justice, texas style” when he was puffing about what he was going to do to bin laden?


  25. hanshiro says:

    OT:

    Obama Signals He Isn’t Interested In ‘Truth Commission’ To Investigate Bush Abuses

    Obama claimed at the first press conference of his presidency that he had not seen the proposal from Sen. Leahy and would have a look at it — “but my general orientation is to say let’s get it right moving forward.”

    But “my view is also that nobody is above the law. And if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, that people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen,” Obama said.

    Sooo, how you gonna find out if there were clear instances of wrongdoing, if you aren’t interested in investigating??

    Dear President Obama: FU CK YOU!


  26. hanshiro says:

    Here’s the link to Obama’s cowardice over bush investigations.



  27. paleolib says:

    Then again, perhaps the thief is a neighbor worried about home values falling even more.


  28. Zooey says:

    I’m stealing the damn signs — just like I stole Daryll’s yard sign.

    Quitcherb!tchin, Bibb — I’m doing you a favor!


  29. robbez_92107 says:

    OMG! It has to be Clinton. After all, he stole all of the W’s off of the White House typewriters, didn’t he?

    What? That was another Rethuglican lie?

    Do tell.


  30. Nevar says:

    Doesn’t say much for the intelligence of the repeat customers.


  31. Fred says:

    hanshiro Says:
    Here’s the link to Obama’s cowardice over bush investigations.

    That’s pretty offensive language hash. I would think that just about anyone could see that if he went after them right now that it would be seen as political and would not in the long run achieve the goals that you have in mind.

    I would call it political expedience. Especially when you take into consideration what he said in his speech last night, that no one was above the law and that to me means if the chips start flying…let them fall where they may.

    We all want justice but it never comes from lynchings.


  32. belac says:

    I see belac and several others also beat me to the obvious conclusion……

    I think Shayne gets credit for this joke…


  33. DRxJ says:

    Fred, all hanshiro is trying to do is goad you into an attack.
    When you have reasonable response to his post, he calls it crap.
    And then moves the goal post.
    It’s an effort of futility.
    Just sayin…


  34. Perry logan says:

    In some cases, missing signs were replaced with copies of Alice Cooper’s “Welcome to my Nightmare.”


  35. 00mpp00 says:

    Wish Dubya himself could have disappeared so easily…

    http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/


  36. Yankeluh says:

    #2 Shayne, I am sure you are right. The kid still has only ordered 100 signs, he has just sold them eight times.


  37. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    hashiro….

    Presidents don’t investigate. Congress doesn’t the investigation. I didn’t hear President Obama say anything about getting in the way of his Justice Department doing investigations. All I heard was that President Obama was going to focus on moving forward. Going after war criminals is not part of the Executive office. It would be the role of Congress and the Justice Department.


  38. Patty says:

    Laura’s grabbin’ and stashin’ the signs to place around the Crawford property.

    That way, she can persuade her husband to stay on the ranch while she makes her home in Dallas.


  39. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    Congress doesn’t the investigation.

    Should be Congress does the investigation.


  40. Fred says:

    DRxJ thanks for the heads up.


  41. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    Fred Says:

    OT and Breaking:
    Gates orders review of ban on photos of coffins

    Wow, President Obama got right on that issue.


  42. hanshiro says:

    32. Fred Says: That’s pretty offensive language hash. I would think that just about anyone could see that if he went after them right now that it would be seen as political and would not in the long run achieve the goals that you have in mind.

    What? Going after them while the evidence is available rather than giving bush more time to destroy it? Yeah, how silly of me.

    I would call it political expedience. Especially when you take into consideration what he said in his speech last night, that no one was above the law and that to me means if the chips start flying…let them fall where they may.

    You obviously do not realize that there is a statute of limitations…the sooner the investigation is begun, the more is revealed, and the less time Obama has to cover up more of bush’s abuses, like the unconscionable telecom immunity…and now the bush rendition plan. Obamapologists all wanna ‘wait’ for…what? The DOJ doesn’t need to twiddle their thumbs until the economy is better. What is the hesitation?

    We all want justice but it never comes from lynchings.

    Speaking of offensive, how does pursuing long overdue justice and investigation equate, in your mind, to hanging without legal trial? It obviously does not anywhere else.


  43. barfly says:

    Ill bet theese sisns start appearing in Dallas/ Ft. Worth bars. You’d have to be drunk…


  44. barfly says:

    Damn! Sorry, folks, but the break bell just rang.


  45. EugeneDebs says:

    Who is going to make the sign welcoming Bush to the Hague? Abu Ghraib?


  46. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    hashiro – let’s stay on topic. This thread is about the fools that keep re-buying their Bush love fest signs.


  47. Cats r Flyfishn says:

    EugeneDebs Says:

    Who is going to make the sign welcoming Bush to the Hague?

    I’m not an artist but I would be willing to give it a try.


  48. fletc3her says:

    Stealing stuff from people’s yards is not cool. Somebody came and stole my Obama campaign signs the day after the election. What’s next? You’re going to come up on my porch and steal my barbecue?


  49. hanshiro says:

    35. DRxJ Says: Fred, all hanshiro is trying to do is goad you into an attack. When you have reasonable response to his post, he calls it crap.
    And then moves the goal post.

    It’s deja vu all over again. When I raised the issue of Obama’s telecom immunity capitulation, the same type of crap was whined, until Olbermann, weeks later, revealed that bush was spying on journalists, then everone got on their high horse and became highly indignant…until they found out that Obama sold ‘em out months before.

    Here we are again, children.

    Same uninformed idioti like ‘compassionate’ DRxJ who doesn’t understand the issue at all, but that doesn’t stop him from typing-while-ignorant. And Fred, who is spouting the same, tired, “Obama will get around to it” but first, the economy, nonsense.

    Meanwhile, your rights are slipping away right before you.


  50. DRxJ says:

  51. Fred says:

    hanshiro, we have a new man in charge and he’s making good decisions as far as I’m concerned.

    The era of instant gratification is over. Get over yourself.


  52. eve says:

    I drove that neighborhood not long ago. The same 12 or so people must be buying a LOT of signs because there were very, very few of those signs out anywhere.


  53. Fred says:

    hanshiro Says:
    Here we are again, children.

    sez the petulant child……you remain off topic. Maybe that’s your problem, you are out of sync with the rest of the world……just sayin.


  54. Nevar says:

    “Indeed, Bush reportedly “called Bibb to personally thank him for creating the signs.””

    ….rinnngggg….

    “Hello?”

    “Yeah, heh heh, this the guy makin’ the signs?”

    “Yes sir, Patrick Bibb’s the name, and signs ‘r mah game!”

    “Heh heh, well this is the president, you can call me Dubby, ah jes wanna thank yew fer makinup all them signs welcomin’ me to town.”

    “You are most welcome sir! It is my proud duty as a Texan and a capitalist to do my patriotic duty! Is there anything I kin dew fer yew?”

    “Well, I was wonderin’… do you need any help? I’ve got mornings, afternoons, and weekends free……..”


  55. krystalviews says:

    All I know is I’m staying as far away from that part of town as I can. If it’s so easy to “steal” signs on front yards around his house, how hard can it be for a “terrorist” to get in there ?
    I don’t want to be anywhere NEAR when Karma comes calling !!!


  56. tombaker says:

    That kid better be paying income tax on those.


  57. Shayne says:

    AllsImSayinsIs, if progressives were doing this deed we’d be using the signs for target practice and not removing them. It’s Texas after all, you don’t have to worry about carrying a weapon or having open liquor in a car. We’d most definitely be pulling a Cheney on those stupid signs.


  58. hanshiro says:

    54. Fred Says: sez the petulant child……you remain off topic.

    Gosh fred, how silly of me since these legal abuses of our Constitution are happening now. I suppose I should wait for the “It’s too late to do anything, but here are the rights Obama gave away last month,” thread.

    Tsk. You Obamapologists just jonesin’ for more bush protections, huh? Obama is flipping off any investigations of bush, with telecom immunity, blocking rendition transparency, etc. Glenn Greenwald has incontrovertible evidence to support this, but you’re more worried about yard signs….

    Wow. Just..wow.


  59. spencers mom says:

    Hanshiro, did you listen to what the President said last night? He said he hadn’t read the proposal, his inclination was to look forward not backward BUT if there is evidence of wrongdoing, it must be dealt with as no one is above the law.

    In Obama I trust.

    PEACE


  60. hanshiro says:

    32. Fred Says: I would think that just about anyone could see that if he went after them right now that it would be seen as political and would not in the long run achieve the goals that you have in mind.

    Tell this to the guy, charges dropped, who has and is still being tortured in Gitmo right now while Obama keeps all evidence under the bush “state secrets” misapplication.…oh, and all the @sshats who want to make these people wait longer, after 6+ years of illegal detention. Christ, what the hell is wrong with you?

    Fred, you’re so stupid, it hurts.


  61. Fred says:

    hanshiro

    wringing your hands and pacing in circles won’t make it happen.

    When you are in public and you want to talk about something but everyone else is in the middle of a conversation about something else do you throw a fit and insist that they talk about what you want to talk about…right now?

    Only trolls try to control the discussion and it’s direction. Does that describe you?


  62. hanshiro says:

    60.spencers mom Says: Hanshiro, did you listen to what the President said last night?

    Read #25.

    In Obama I trust.

    Then you’re a sucker. The last 8 years should have taught you something, but apparently it’s only taught you to find another daddy complex so you won’t have to think and discern for yourself.

    Question everything, particularly when it stinks to high heaven, like telecom immunity. What happened there? Or is Obama gonna “get around to” fixing that piece of bush “Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free” card too? Bollocks.


  63. Nevar says:

    So… who should we trust, hanshiro?
    If Obama isn’t any good, what’s your solution?


  64. hanshiro says:

    62. Fred Says: hanshiro wringing your hands and pacing in circles won’t make it happen.

    Posting the truth helps take the propaganda sheen off of Obama, whom I trust less and less.

    Only trolls try to control the discussion and it’s direction. Does that describe you?

    Only idiots try to silence real-time compelling information under the guise of posting etiquette. Does that describe you?


  65. dbadass says:

    I’m with Nevar!


  66. Fred says:

    hanshiro

    last week you were up in arms because Obama wouldn’t let them photograph coffins…..Gates is investigating changing that.

    last week you were up in arms because gitmo was still open….Obama has issued an executive order to close it.

    last week you were up in arms because we were still in Iraq…..Obama has set the wheels in motion to get us out.

    People are dying here also hans, of poor medical care. You need to get a grip little fella.

    Yes, I like having leaders I don’t have to watch every minute, finally.


  67. hanshiro says:

    64. Nevar Says: So… who should we trust, hanshiro?
    If Obama isn’t any good, what’s your solution?

    Trust yourself. Do the research. Go to several sources and crosscheck. Go with the information you trust, not solely the White House, any more than you’d trust the press corps to play stenographer.

    If Obama is full of sh*t, call him on it instead of playing this “we’re talking about signs” bongwater or getting indignant because someone bursts your balloon of ignorance about a faux savior. He’s a politician, nothing more.

    It’s not that hard to track what Obama does rather than what he claims or says. Right now, the telecom immunity surrender is pure unadulterated crap, as is the state secrets surrender, yet the Obamapologists are brainlessly slavering still, denying and detouring. Proof that the guy gives away rights and protections are met, NOT with, “Hey, tell me more, let’s pay attention” but “But it’s Obamaaaaaaa.”

    Geezus, how could the last 8 years make people so feebly desperate to feel like winners that they swallow anything and can’t admit to themselves that they need all the more to stay vigilant even, or perhaps especially, if ‘their’ guy wins.

    We could all still lose.


  68. Fred says:

    hanshiro Says:
    Only idiots try to silence real-time compelling information under the guise of posting etiquette. Does that describe you?

    Who’s tried to silence you? You have posted more on this thread than anyone and we have engaged you. You simply won’t be satisfied until we do exactly what you want….

    You act like you are the only one who has had these thoughts, news flash: This has been discussed here in depth many times, where were you?

    Oh and as far as posting ediquette, you have none and that’s exactly why no one wants to discuss it with you.

    Why are you calling us names? Does that make your argument more viable? I say no.

    Once again, since you don’t trust Obama, what the hell do you want us to do? Join you in a march to washington to replace him?

    I disagree with you, if you have a problem with that then try to be a part of the discussion instead of lecturing……I for one don’t need it, didn’t ask for it and quit listening to what you had to say a long time ago……..got it?


  69. Fred says:

    hanshiro Says:
    We could all still lose.

    I think you already have……lost it that is. Bu bye.


  70. hanshiro says:

    67. Fred Says: last week you were up in arms because Obama wouldn’t let them photograph coffins…..Gates is investigating changing that.

    That is patently false. You are mistaken fred, I posted no such thing.

    last week you were up in arms because gitmo was still open….Obama has issued an executive order to close it.

    No, that wasn’t me either.

    last week you were up in arms because we were still in Iraq…..Obama has set the wheels in motion to get us out.

    Nope, 0 for 3 fred. Not sure how you establish a point by posting false claims about me. Sorta kills the climax, eh?

    People are dying here also hans, of poor medical care. You need to get a grip little fella.

    You lucked out, I did post about that.

    Yes, I like having leaders I don’t have to watch every minute, finally.

    Then you are an idiot. The only way to keep our democracy is to always watch our ‘leaders’ closely. Always.

    “The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts.” Edmund Burke


  71. EugeneDebs says:

    hanshiro Says:

    My experience has given me no reason to trust anyone elected to the White House. My liberal agenda is ALWAYS trumped by power. That said, I have to go with the words from Crosby Stills and Nash song I give you give blind.

    Ya gotta believe in someone no matter the cost
    Ya gotta believe in something or else you will be lost

    Sometimes you have to just go for it. Obama may dissapoint me and already has given me reason to pause but we had 8 years of a catastrophe that walked like a man. Until Obama really betrays some principles. I have a NEED to give him the benifit of the doubt. I get the cynicism thing. 90% of the time you are right and 10% of the time you are pleasantly suprised but I WANT a somewhat liberal politician to succeed.


  72. hanshiro says:

    69. Fred Says: Who’s tried to silence you?

    Fred Says: Only trolls try to control the discussion and it’s direction.
    Fred Says:……you remain off topic.


    DRxJ Says: Fred, all hanshiro is trying to do is goad you into an attack.

    Mis-portraying comments or labeling someone a troll for correctly attacking an Obamapologist’s savior would constitute an attempt to diminish which is another way to discredit and silence.

    Oddly, so far neither you nor DRxJ have disputed my claims, just that they’re inconvenient. Revealing, actually…


  73. Nevar says:

    hanshiro Says: “…yet the Obamapologists are brainlessly slavering still, denying and detouring….etc….

    I haven’t heard a whole lot of this so far, most people seem to be willing to see what happens with a little patience.

    Do you lay awake for hours every night creating these rabid scenarios?


  74. hanshiro says:

    72.EugeneDebs Says: Until Obama really betrays some principles.

    Jeebus H. Christ in a smoking birchbark canoe. Are you paying any attention at all? Are you?

    Read this link: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/10/obama/index.html

    Then, look here concerning the telecom immunity: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/21/obama/index.html

    So, that enough ‘betrayed principles’ for you?


  75. RationalRadioJett says:

    Please understand. I live 2 miles from Frick and Frack Bush.

    Don’t let our right wing media that is owned and operated by the Pentecostal Evangelicals fool you. Very few are happy to have him here.

    We did just have an awesome art exhibit where people decorated boots. His circle will get smaller and smaller until it turns into a prison.

    It is hard to see so many local people struggle and know that the culprit is a few blocks away.

    Please, someone, come arrest him.


  76. hanshiro says:

    74.Nevar Says: I haven’t heard a whole lot of this so far, most people seem to be willing to see what happens with a little patience.

    What are you waiting for? Can’t the President do more than one thing, particularly when several monstrous crimes have been committed and covered up? Best you can do is paste tangential comments and cower from the issues? Telecom immunity capitulation? State secrets cover up? Denying the ability for falsely imprisoned to bring justice?

    Why are you in such a rush to twiddle your thumbs? This ain’t the ‘finish line.’

    Do you lay awake for hours every night creating these rabid scenarios?

    The last 8 years went far beyond my wildest nightmares. Only an idiot would relax now…


  77. continuum says:

    $20 a sign????? Has anybody checked to see if the original sign seller is stealing his signs back. Ah yes! Republican American capitalism at its finest.


  78. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    I hereby nominate hanshiro to be the official “Obama-watcher” and to keep such meticulously detailed notes about each and every move that Obama makes that he has no time left to spend here at TP to belittle, lecture, and demand submission to his obviously superior intellect.


  79. hanshiro says:

    79. PatrioticLiberalChristian Says: I hereby nominate hanshiro to be the official “Obama-watcher” and to keep such meticulously detailed notes about each and every move..heehaw…heehaw…

    Obviously there aren’t many here…

    …no time left to spend here at TP to belittle, lecture, and demand submission to his obviously superior intellect.

    Absurd overstatement used to dismiss is an amateur’s tool PLC, and so are you.


  80. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    hanshiro, is the creation of “clever” words and phrases, like hyperbolic “Obamapologist’s savior” the product of a professional’s tool?


  81. belac says:

    hanshiro Says:

    em>…no time left to spend here at TP to belittle, lecture, and demand submission to his obviously superior intellect.

    Absurd overstatement used to dismiss is an amateur’s tool PLC, and so are you.

    Wait- did you just say that PLC’s praising of your ‘obviously superior intellect’ was an ‘absurd overstatement?’

    ‘Cause that’s sure what it looks like… heh.


  82. dbadass says:

    An idiot Nevar is not…


  83. Buckie Boy says:

    Can we give the Gitmo released prisoners his address?


  84. tigger says:

    I would suspect Mr. Bibb’s buddies are in on the plan and coming by to pick up the signs of those who have bought new ones…


  85. Nevar says:

    hanshiro Says: “The last 8 years went far beyond my wildest nightmares. Only an idiot would relax now…”

    I totally agree, and I’m far from relaxing. I’m choosing to stay alert, observant, and rational.
    Hyperventilating and frothing at the mouth over a single issue one month into a new administration isn’t a healthy approach.
    Bush created and left a phenomenal mess like no other, and it will take a calm and rational approach to undue the damage.

    Thanks, dbadass…
    ;)


  86. Rugby Reader says:

    It’s unimagineable that someone would willingly welcome the Bush’s to their neighborhood. They would not be welcome in my neck of the North Dakota woods.


  87. hanshiro says:

    86. Nevar Says: Hyperventilating and frothing at the mouth over a single issue one month into a new administration isn’t a healthy approach.

    Let’s see…so much to correct.

    No one is hyperventilating, however these issues, once adjudicated, become lost in the public consciousness. A great many people were unaware of the telecom immunity fiasco and what it meant until months later when more information came out, i.e. the evidence of bush spying on journalists. Of course any outcry by then was pointless; particularly when Greenwald posted concurrently about it to raise awareness while it was first happening. The TP crowd was not what you’d call “receptive.” Most didn’t comprehend the ramifications and scoffed ignorantly.

    Dismissive since it didn’t appear on th’ teevee until months later.

    Dealing with Constitutional violations long after the fact is the very definition of unhealthy approach. I’ll be glad when this Obama worship has worn off so that people will regard him as an ordinary politician again and actually investigate and object rather than settle into a malaise of ignorant faith in…another politician. One that has been subsidized by the same corporations that subsidized bush.

    …and it will take a calm and rational approach to undue the damage.

    So far, I’ve yet to have one of these posters explain how shielding George by absolving his telecom spying crimes via telecom immunity begets undoing bush’s damage. How does ignoring blatant violations of the Constitution; in fact legalizing them after the fact and barring any investigation whatsoever, equates to a calm and rational approach.

    If anything there does need to be an outcry before this administration runs the clock out on bush’s war crimes, torture and Constitutional assault.

    Obama just blocked transparency into bush’s rendition program. Most here didn’t know anything about it (’course that didn’t stop fred and D from displaying their lack…) How is that rational?


  88. hanshiro says:

    82. belac Says: Wait- did you just say that PLC’s praising of your ‘obviously superior intellect’ was an ‘absurd overstatement?’

    I keep forgetting, belac. To you and PLC, most anyone even the slightest bit informed will seem a genuine rocket scientist. Particularly in your case since you are unable to distinguish hyperbole.


  89. hanshiro says:

    81.PatrioticLiberalChristian Says: hanshiro, is the creation of “clever” words and phrases, like hyperbolic “Obamapologist’s savior” the product of a professional’s tool?

    The use of those in my case is due more to brevity than style. “Obamapologist” communicates the thought much more conveniently than typing “people who are interminably apologizing for Obama’s blatant flip-flops or broken promises.”

    See? It’s the ‘economy,’ stupid…


  90. hanshiro says:

    As a final rebuke to Fred and DRxJ, I present Russ Feingold, who apparently agrees that this is an issue worth “hyperventilating and frothing” over (from update III on Greenwald’s blog):

    At his new Washington Post blog, the tenacious Greg Sargent reports that Sen. Russ Feingold is strongly condemning the Obama administration’s conduct in this case:

    Senator Russ Feingold is sharply criticizing the Obama administration over its controversial decision to maintain the Bush administration’s position in a closely watched lawsuit involving alleged victims of extraordinary rendition, a decision that generated a storm of criticism yesterday.

    “I am troubled by reports that the Obama administration has decided to invoke the state secrets privilege in a case brought by five men who claim to have been the victims of extraordinary rendition,” Feingold said in a statement sent to me by his office, in a rare instance of criticism directed at Obama by a Senator in his own party. . . .

    [The DOJ statements are] unlikely to satisfy Feingold, who reiterated in his statement to me that he’s pushing for new legislation to “give better guidance to the courts on how to handle assertions of the state secrets privilege so that the American people can have confidence that the privilege is not being used to shield government misconduct.”

    There is no reason to rely on Obama’s good character or judgment, particularly since he has demonstrated that it’s insufficient. The same legislation that Democrats claimed to support last year, to restrict the use of the State Secrets privilege, should be enacted to prevent its ongoing abuse.

    Personally, I rather prefer taking the judgement of Feingold and Greenwald over which issues are of immediate and timely concern than waiting for Fred or DRxJ to stumble over it months later.

    But then they’d rather carp about signs….


  91. Fool Zero says:

    I’m not hearing about anyone making “Bush Go Back To Crawford” signs. What’s happened to the free market?


  92. belac says:

    hanshiro Says:
    I keep forgetting, belac. To you and PLC, most anyone even the slightest bit informed will seem a genuine rocket scientist. Particularly in your case since you are unable to distinguish hyperbole.

    but hanshiro also Says:
    Absurd overstatement used to dismiss is an amateur’s tool PLC, and so are you.

    in response to this, that PLC said:
    he has no time left to spend here at TP to belittle, lecture, and demand
    submission to his obviously superior intellect.

    To which I say:
    heh. good one.


  93. Briseadh na Faire says:

    late to the discussion, so please forgive me if this has been said already.

    stealing is wrong. if you disagree with the message, at least you know who still reveres Bush.

    let the signs be.


  94. justsayin says:

    Bibb’s got a heck of a business plan going there. Maybe he’s the one stealing them? Wouldn’t it be fun to have a bon fire with all the stolen signs, in the middle of the neighborhood? (only stolen signs tho, who would pay $20 for THAT sign, in this economy.


  95. EugeneDebs says:

    hanshiro Says:

    You arent telling me anything I dont already know JERK. Both the telecommuncations bill and using state secrets to stop court proceedings are bad. I both give me a rash. NO however they arent enough for me to give up on the guy. I would certainly have been happier had Dennis Kucinich become president. I however live on THIS planet where that wasnt going to happen and this is about as far left as we could expect. Those arent minor but they arent making me into the slavering rabid hatemonger they seem to have turned you into. Both those are valid criticisms. I join you with them. If you want to have the perfect be the enemy of the good be my guest. I also dont like him caving so quickly on the corporate tax cuts in the stimulus bill. Obama isnt my dream guy but you act like he is worse than Bush and we might as well have McStrokeye. Marginal differences mean REAL things to REAL people and many things will be better under Obama than the GOP. For goodness sake hold his feet to the fire but this scorched earth attack THIS early is just stupid.


  96. hanshiro says:

    98.EugeneDebs Says: NO however they arent enough for me to give up on the guy.

    I never said anything of the kind, “jerk.”

    You said, until Obama ‘really betrays some principles.’ I have a NEED to give him the benifit (sic) of the doubt. I summarily slapped down such an ignorant statement and posted proof that you cannot give this politician the benefit of doubt. Obama has, as proven, ‘really betrayed some principles.’

    Both the telecommuncations bill and using state secrets to stop court proceedings are bad.

    How inadequately expressive of blatant Constitutional violations that Obama swore to uphold, but has now continued to violate.

    Those arent minor but they arent making me into the slavering rabid hatemonger they seem to have turned you into.

    Yeah, lying politicians and Constitutional violations tend to make me cranky.

    If you want to have the perfect be the enemy of the good be my guest.

    Now comes the fallacy ‘talking point’ to convince people to swallow a sh*t sandwich. This one has been thoroughly debunked, which means you’re running out of ideas, Eugene.

    Obama isnt my dream guy but you act like he is worse than Bush and we might as well have McStrokeye.

    Obama is protecting and perpetuating bush’s programs and barring investigations into bush’s Constitutional violations. This is different than bush how?…..

    For goodness sake hold his feet to the fire but this scorched earth attack THIS early is just stupid.

    While the stimulus bill was hogging the front page, Obama just quietly protected all the bush abuses via state secrets. When should anyone have said something? I guess Feingold is just indulging in a ’scorched earth attack?’

    Christ, Eugene, but you’re dense.


  97. EugeneDebs says:

    hanshiro Says:

    Compared to YOU I am Stephen Hawkins moron. Feel free to completly marginalize yourself because there is no one around you completely agree with. I dont think those ARE constitutional violations. I think I disagree with him about them. If they ARE constitutional violations then the Supreme Court will take care of them. By the way you got your degree in constitutional law WHERE again? Oh you dont have one? Imagine my suprise. My GOD you are ignorant. Keep circling around and attacking EVERYONE like the fear biting dog you are we will all marvel at how much you accomplish ALL ON YOUR OWN because you are the ONLY PURE one who understands OR you are a complete moron and totally delusional and dont know EVERYTHING. MORON.



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