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You needed a bit of help getting the truth in your statement there Moronoftheroad.

The Republican Party was started in 1854 as the anti-slavery party. Under the leadership of President Abraham Lincoln, Republicans fought to free blacks from slavery. After the Civil War, Republicans amended the US Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment).

Republicans passed the civil rights laws of the 1860’s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the South – one that was fair to blacks.

Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois pushed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Dirksen was instrumental to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964, 1965 and 1968. Dirksen wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. hailed Senator Dirksen’s “able and courageous leadership.” “The Chicago Defender,” the largest black-owned daily at that time, praised Senator Dirksen for the passage of the “best civil rights measures that have ever been enacted into law.”

The enforcement of affirmative action began with Richard Nixon’s 1969 Philadelphia Plan. That plan was crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher – it set the nation’s first goals and timetables to undo the damage of our racist past. Notably, Fletcher, as president of the United Negro College Fund, coined the phrase “the mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

Republicans also started the NAACP 100 years ago on February 12, 2009 — Abraham Lincoln’s 100th birthday — to counter the racist practices of the time. The first black American to head the NAACP was Republican James Weldon Johnson who wrote the lyrics to “Lift Every Voice and Sing”, the inspirational song that is considered to be the Black National Anthem – which will also be song at our Lincoln Tribute Dinner next month.

“Apparently, the Republicans have not been successful at destroying public education as a whole system, so they are feverishly attempting to destroy science, language arts, math, and history one subject at a time.”

Reply: It’s been the Dems who started a government-run school system, and it’s the DOE that has changed most all of the courses, and it’s Liberal/Socialist professors who write most of the history books. Now…. you were saying?

pbg Says:

“… dezznutz, your explanation of the mortgage crisis has one big flaw. If, in fact, it was as you say and the government was making banks make bad loans, that might have adversely affected their bottom line, but it should not have surprised the financial institutions when they defaulted–and especially not to the extent they went out of business.
If they were, in fact, loaded down with loans they knew were bad, they would have been complaining and whining about having to forego their bonuses because of all these mandated bad loans.”

Reply: That’s EXACTLY what happened, and what caused the mortgage/economic crisis.

That’s the problem with being rich.

But that’s not what happened.

Not only were they living high on the hog, pulling down astronomical bonuses and swaggering around like Masters of the Universe, they were taking those loans that they had been making and rolling them into complex financial instruments, and selling these instruments as gilt-edged investments to people around the world.

If they were doing that with loans the government forced them to make to risky borrowers they knew stood a big chance of defaulting on, they belong in prison for massive criminal fraud.

If I lend $5,000 to my shiftless brother-in-law because my wife wouldn’t let up on me, I will probably lose that money. But If I go into a risky business deal where the success of the venture depends on that $5,000 getting paid back precisely on time, I’m an idiot. And if my company goes under because of it, is it the fault of my brother-in-law?

It is most assuredly not.

I’m laying aside the fact that that was not what was going on. Even if it was exactly as you described, the bankers would have a) already written of those bad loans and b) be up on Capitol Hill thumping for guarantees and subsidies for the welfare they’re being forced to give out.

Your scenario is not only false, it is devoid of internal sense.

Finally a cogent argument. True the Bretton Woods agreement changed a whole lot in our economy and much of it for the worse for working Americans. That DOESNT mean government spending does not or at least CAN not help the economy it can and HAS in the past. How much more efficient did industry become after the interstate highway system?

Here is something YOU should know you simpering baboon. The infrastructure we built in the 40’s and 50’s brought on an economic golden age. Rural electrification was a HUGE public outlay and it laid the ground for consumer spending as all those rural consumers bought radios and electric lights which were SHOCK manufactured. Here is something else you should know. You are an idiot. And regurgitating what the hateradio screechmonkey has TOLD you to think wont make you look intelligent on this site. Go play with the other challenged children and let the adults talk. We have already heard your ignorant rightwing talking points

Pure projection. We all get how comforting you find YOUR obvious ignorance. You are stupid john. Very stupid. This is why you let Rush Limbaugh do your thinking for you since you KNOW you are too stupid to think for yourself. You are a moron. You will always BE a moron. That is your lot in life. You are a moron who sees his own vast stupidity in other people becaus you are just flat too stupid to even RECOGNIZE higher brain function much less being able to perform the function. Sucks to be you or anyone who ever has to be in your presence.

What this Austria guys shoulda said was…”an even Greater Depression”

Hilarious, a slip up as innocent as my mispelling their vs. there, and that somehow discredits the arguement being made.

Blogs like this dont help anything, and to be perfectly honest, “CHANGE” needs to be coming from both sides of the aisle. Doubtful though, cuz you guys are some sore winners. its more like na-na-na our guy won! Then it is how can we solve our countries problems.

An economic recovery bill written by the social change party, with absolutely no input from the capitalist business party.
Thats like the Republicans trying to start the NAACP or something!

Oh wait, they did.

Austria: “I did not mean to imply in any way that President Roosevelt was responsible for putting us into the Depression.”

Do these idiots ever listen to themselves? Do they realize we have their quotes? What morons.

“not wanting to give their hard earned” and “textbook.”

Is your ass happy now?

Why dont you tell me where you got your Business degree from and then we can talk. Forget it, you will lie anyways, its unprovable…but I know you dont know jack about it because the tax rate corporations pay in this country is the second highest in the world.

Thats why, as you say, the invest in foreign slave labor. Its a global economy, and in order to compete in a global economy thats what they are forced to do…Just look at the Big 3 auto industry. The hourly labor rate to build a car is around $71 dollars an hour. Foriegn competitors like Honda and Toyota the rate is $50 and hour.

So brainiac, which do you think is more viable and competitive. Its an easy question really since we just had to bail their dinosaur asses OUT!!! with once again, hard working, middle class, tax dollars.

Feel free to pour over this for grammar and punctuation errors…maybe somehow your brain will understand the facts I just told you.

And by the way, I don’t know what college you went to, but you didn’t learn to spell too good, huh? Can you spot the error?

“not wanting to give there hard earned dollars away…”
or how about
“Right outta my college taxtbook”

You had asked what program got us into this.

Well it all starts in the late 1990’s when a fellow by the name of Bill Clinton put his ink stamp on a bill written in a Republican Congress with a helluva lot of Deomcratic support aimed at getting more people into homes. Since it is wildly believed that owning a home is the ultimate American dream, everyone looked at the glory and not the possible what is now, gory.

See, Congress tried to short circuit the market. They said, Market, we are all powerful and all knowing, and we will make laws to prove it!

Then they put people with bad credit, or little to no credit in homes with mortgages they could not possibly afford. Congress said, “Hey banks, (like Countrywide) if we co-sign these high risk people with American tax dollars, will you give it to them?” Banks being as greedy, but only half as stupid as Congress said, “Hey sure, but we hafta get a lil creative with our mortgages.” (IE:ballon payments, adjustable rate mortgages, etc)

Add all that irresonsiblity and stupidity up and you get this. Trillions of dollars of spending in one giant earmark of a bill. Well, that was after we bailed out the banks, but we had to cuz Congress cosigned all those bad loans w/ taxpayer dollars.

I started this thread really calm but now at the end Im pretty pissed off. This problem began with Congress and now ya’ll think they can fix it? With MORE debt?

PS: France is socialist and their unemployment rate hoovers anually around 10%. During the first six years of the Bush presidency it averaged around 3%. Then the Democrats took over Congress…