Comments on: On Darwin’s 200th birthday, only 39 percent of Americans believe in evolution. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:09:04 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: loxias http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5610069 loxias Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:18:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5610069 fine <a href="http://www.sikis21.com" title="sikis" rel="nofollow">sikis</a> <a href="http://www.pornocehennemi.com" title="porno izle" rel="nofollow">porno izle</a> <a href="http://www.adultclicker.com" title="porno videolar" rel="nofollow">porno videolar</a> <a href="http://www.adultclicker.com" title="porn videos" rel="nofollow">porn videos</a> fine

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]]> By: jpopplewell http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5502165 jpopplewell Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:30:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5502165 This is what happens when "The Flintstones" trump "Nova." This is what happens when “The Flintstones” trump “Nova.”

]]> By: sacopenapa http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5500742 sacopenapa Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:38:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500742 Don't despair USA, I did my university in Sydney, Australia and I was shocked by the level of total ignorance displayed by all Australian tertiary students and a few teachers as well!!! I thought Brazil had a bad educational system, but after my experience in Australia, I'm grateful for the Jesuits, who brought education to Brazil during the Portuguese colonization. Up to 1964, we had Latin, French and English in all secondary schools. When the military took over in the US-backed coup, they took away Latin and French from the curriculum. They also closed down all human sciences universities, favoring engineering, maths and medicine. Although my school was managed by the Jesuits, we were told that the bible had a 'symbolic' explanation of the world, and science was a very important good thing! Darwin was a hero! It is shocking to see some people, in the 21th Century, arguing for creation!!!!!!!! It happen here in Australia too! Domocracy is the freedom of choice. But if you are ignorant, you are not even aware that you have the choice! Like a fish in a fish bowl... going around and around and saying on every cornner: Wow!!!!! Don’t despair USA, I did my university in Sydney, Australia and I was shocked by the level of total ignorance displayed by all Australian tertiary students and a few teachers as well!!!
I thought Brazil had a bad educational system, but after my experience in Australia, I’m grateful for the Jesuits, who brought education to Brazil during the Portuguese colonization. Up to 1964, we had Latin, French and English in all secondary schools. When the military took over in the US-backed coup, they took away Latin and French from the curriculum. They also closed down all human sciences universities, favoring engineering, maths and medicine.
Although my school was managed by the Jesuits, we were told that the bible had a ’symbolic’ explanation of the world, and science was a very important good thing! Darwin was a hero!
It is shocking to see some people, in the 21th Century, arguing for creation!!!!!!!! It happen here in Australia too!
Domocracy is the freedom of choice. But if you are ignorant, you are not even aware that you have the choice! Like a fish in a fish bowl… going around and around and saying on every cornner: Wow!!!!!

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5500368 Wayne A. Schneider Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:31:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500368 Hey, what do you know, I'm still alive and well. Gee, if God really did exist, I'm sure I'd be one of the first people he'd want gone. Why am I still alive, Tracy? Hey, what do you know, I’m still alive and well. Gee, if God really did exist, I’m sure I’d be one of the first people he’d want gone. Why am I still alive, Tracy?

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5500362 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:25:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500362 <em>Tracy__5 Says: So when the fossils are eventually discovered that DO fill in these gaps, do you question your faith or just reject the science?” You mean “if”…right? February 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pm</em> _________ Nope. I mean "when." It's just a matter of time. "missing links" in the human evolutionary tree are being uncovered all the time, and the gaps will continue to close. The only question is where your God of the Gaps is going to go... Tracy__5 Says:

So when the fossils are eventually discovered that DO fill in these gaps, do you question your faith or just reject the science?”

You mean “if”…right?

February 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
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Nope. I mean “when.” It’s just a matter of time. “missing links” in the human evolutionary tree are being uncovered all the time, and the gaps will continue to close. The only question is where your God of the Gaps is going to go…

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5500347 Wayne A. Schneider Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:12:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500347 Tracy_5, On numerous occasions in the past, and here again now, I have invited this God of yours to strike me dead where I sit to prove he exists. So far, I'm still sitting here. I will be again in a few minutes if you would like confirmation that your God is powerless to do anything to stop people like me from saying he doesn't exist and did not create the Universe. Tracy_5,

On numerous occasions in the past, and here again now, I have invited this God of yours to strike me dead where I sit to prove he exists. So far, I’m still sitting here. I will be again in a few minutes if you would like confirmation that your God is powerless to do anything to stop people like me from saying he doesn’t exist and did not create the Universe.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-6/#comment-5500337 Badger Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:08:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500337 The More the fossil record gets discovered, the more it show that Species Evolved over geological Time...BUT The Real Startling Evidence for Evolution comes from the Analysis of Molecules in Organisms Living Now. Some of the Enzymes in Vital Organic systems, like the Krebs cycle in Mitochondria have Virtually the SAME Protein Structure in Men , Mice , and Yeasts. This is because these Enzymes are So Essential to Life, that any Mutations are Fatal. So if Life didn't Evolve from a Common Ancestor, why are these Critical Enzymes Identical??? It will be interesting, if we ever encounter extra terrestrial life forms, to see if they have a similar Enzyme structure...or use DNA like all earthlings do. The More the fossil record gets discovered, the more it show that Species Evolved over geological Time…BUT

The Real Startling Evidence for Evolution comes from the Analysis of Molecules in Organisms Living Now.

Some of the Enzymes in Vital Organic systems, like the Krebs cycle in Mitochondria have Virtually the SAME Protein Structure in Men , Mice , and Yeasts.

This is because these Enzymes are So Essential to Life, that any Mutations are Fatal.

So if Life didn’t Evolve from a Common Ancestor, why are these Critical Enzymes Identical???

It will be interesting, if we ever encounter extra terrestrial life forms, to see if they have a similar Enzyme structure…or use DNA like all earthlings do.

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500313 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:52:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500313 <em>Tracy__5 Says: I am not saying it’t true OR untrue…just inconclusive. Gravity is a physically be observed phenonom. Evolution of man is a conclusion based on physical evidence in the past, not an experiment that can be preformed today in a lab. February 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm</em> _________ And another thing - gravity is NOT necessarily a "physically be observed" phenomenon. Yes, you can drop an apple and watch it hit the ground, but it's not yet possible to observe whether the apple falls due to a force or the curvature of space-time. Tracy__5 Says:

I am not saying it’t true OR untrue…just inconclusive. Gravity is a physically be observed phenonom. Evolution of man is a conclusion based on physical evidence in the past, not an experiment that can be preformed today in a lab.

February 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
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And another thing – gravity is NOT necessarily a “physically be observed” phenomenon. Yes, you can drop an apple and watch it hit the ground, but it’s not yet possible to observe whether the apple falls due to a force or the curvature of space-time.

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500307 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:49:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500307 <em>Tracy__5 Says: I am not saying it’t true OR untrue…just inconclusive. Gravity is a physically be observed phenonom. Evolution of man is a conclusion based on physical evidence in the past, not an experiment that can be preformed today in a lab. February 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm</em> ________ What are you saying? Skeletal remains that can be dated using radioactive isotopes are not "physical evidence?" Or do we need to physically recreate the entire biological process of evolution from protocells to Alan Alda in a lab? Interesting idea, but I don't think anyone's prepared to fund that experiment for 3.8 billion years. Tracy__5 Says:

I am not saying it’t true OR untrue…just inconclusive. Gravity is a physically be observed phenonom. Evolution of man is a conclusion based on physical evidence in the past, not an experiment that can be preformed today in a lab.

February 12th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
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What are you saying? Skeletal remains that can be dated using radioactive isotopes are not “physical evidence?”

Or do we need to physically recreate the entire biological process of evolution from protocells to Alan Alda in a lab? Interesting idea, but I don’t think anyone’s prepared to fund that experiment for 3.8 billion years.

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500290 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:40:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500290 <em>Tracy__5 Says: If you are trained in this “area” I am sure you are quite aware of them….especially the linear part and the absence of fossils that would obviously show more of the progression in many species of today. February 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pm </em> _________ The "linear" part? What a load of crap. Who says human evolution had to be a linear progression? Modern science says that there were many branches on the homo tree over the last two million years, some lasting longer than others. There's nothing linear about it. Tracy__5 Says:

If you are trained in this “area” I am sure you are quite aware of them….especially the linear part and the absence of fossils that would obviously show more of the progression in many species of today.

February 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
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The “linear” part? What a load of crap. Who says human evolution had to be a linear progression? Modern science says that there were many branches on the homo tree over the last two million years, some lasting longer than others. There’s nothing linear about it.

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500285 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:38:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500285 <em>Tracy__5 Says: We aren’t trying to “prove” anything. Such important things that are missing in fossil history and cannot be explained by science are just accepted on faith that God created it. February 12th, 2009 at 4:34 pm</em> _________ Ahh, got it. So when the fossils are eventually discovered that DO fill in these gaps, do you question your faith or just reject the science? Tracy__5 Says:

We aren’t trying to “prove” anything. Such important things that are missing in fossil history and cannot be explained by science are just accepted on faith that God created it.

February 12th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
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Ahh, got it.

So when the fossils are eventually discovered that DO fill in these gaps, do you question your faith or just reject the science?

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500280 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:36:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500280 <em>bitblt Says: Further, selective breeding is completely based on observation. Wasn’t Medel doing this sort of thing hundreds of years ago without any help from Darwinism? February 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pm </em> _________ On the contrary. Mendel started his work after Darwin published <i>Origin</i>, and his genetic theory filled quite a large gap in Darwin's work on the exact mechanism of inheritance. bitblt Says:

Further, selective breeding is completely based on observation. Wasn’t Medel doing this sort of thing hundreds of years ago without any help from Darwinism?

February 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
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On the contrary. Mendel started his work after Darwin published Origin, and his genetic theory filled quite a large gap in Darwin’s work on the exact mechanism of inheritance.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500278 dbadass Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:36:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500278 Tracy_5. You might wish to google punctuated equilibrium as well as cladistics, systematics and related terms. The American Museum of Natural History site also may be helpful to you. I am headed out but will check around midnight when I return. I am sure many others here can help address some of the questions you may have as you research this topic Tracy_5.
You might wish to google punctuated equilibrium as well as cladistics, systematics and related terms. The American Museum of Natural History site also may be helpful to you. I am headed out but will check around midnight when I return. I am sure many others here can help address some of the questions you may have as you research this topic

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500262 dbadass Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:32:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500262 Oh shit, I am sorry Tracy_5. I was working under the assumption that you understood the scientific definition of theory and not the lay definition. I apologize. Oh shit, I am sorry Tracy_5. I was working under the assumption that you understood the scientific definition of theory and not the lay definition. I apologize.

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500260 hussein toasterhead Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:30:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500260 <em>Tracy__5 Says: Then why is it still called a theory? February 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pm</em> _____________ Gravity is still called a theory, too. That doesn't mean it's untrue, it just means that the exact mechanisms are still being researched. Tracy__5 Says:

Then why is it still called a theory?

February 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
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Gravity is still called a theory, too. That doesn’t mean it’s untrue, it just means that the exact mechanisms are still being researched.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500258 dbadass Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:29:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500258 So the best illustrations of evolution to be presented in this thread are selective breeding and adapting microbes? --- Yet the opposition has yet to offer any tangible evidences of any divine creation. Seems the score then might be considered 2 to 0. So the best illustrations of evolution to be presented in this thread are selective breeding and adapting microbes?

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Yet the opposition has yet to offer any tangible evidences of any divine creation. Seems the score then might be considered 2 to 0.

]]> By: bitblt http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500251 bitblt Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:25:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500251 <em>Fred Says: bitblt Sorry fool. There is short term evidence that back up evolution. What the hell do you think breeding is all about?????? Do you think there were always herfords with horns and herfords without horns and that one day all the horned ones just died????? February 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm </em> bit doesn't believe that selectively breeding in or out a desirable or an undesirable characteristicsqualifies as evolution. Believe this qualifies for what is called "micro" evolution. Isn't the type of evolution being discussed called "macro" evolution ( or vice versa ) where one species becomes another species. As many breeds of dogs as there are, they're still dogs. Further, selective breeding is completely based on observation. Wasn't Medel doing this sort of thing hundreds of years ago without any help from Darwinism? So the best illustrations of evolution to be presented in this thread are selective breeding and adapting microbes? Fred Says:

bitblt

Sorry fool. There is short term evidence that back up evolution.

What the hell do you think breeding is all about??????

Do you think there were always herfords with horns and herfords without horns and that one day all the horned ones just died?????
February 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

bit doesn’t believe that selectively breeding in or out a desirable or an undesirable characteristicsqualifies as evolution. Believe this qualifies for what is called “micro” evolution. Isn’t the type of evolution being discussed called “macro” evolution ( or vice versa ) where one species becomes another species.

As many breeds of dogs as there are, they’re still dogs.

Further, selective breeding is completely based on observation. Wasn’t Medel doing this sort of thing hundreds of years ago without any help from Darwinism?

So the best illustrations of evolution to be presented in this thread are selective breeding and adapting microbes?

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500249 dbadass Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:23:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500249 Rather than trying to disprove biological evolution why do its opponents never attempt to prove their alternative? Seems sort of chickenshit... Rather than trying to disprove biological evolution why do its opponents never attempt to prove their alternative? Seems sort of chickenshit…

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500246 dbadass Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:21:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500246 Hi Tracy_5: Might you articulate these "major flaws" as you understand them so those of us trained in this area might assist you? Hi Tracy_5:
Might you articulate these “major flaws” as you understand them so those of us trained in this area might assist you?

]]> By: bjbergstrom http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/comment-page-5/#comment-5500227 bjbergstrom Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:07:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/11/darwin-200/#comment-5500227 As a biologist and educator, it infuriates me that the question continues to be framed as what you "believe in." Teaching evolutionary biology, studying the process of evolution, and accepting the scientific fact of evolution has nothing to do with belief. I do all of the former things but I would NEVER say that I "believe" in evolution. Belief is the realm of metaphysics, superstition, and "spirituality" (religion), not of science. This Gallup poll is garbage in--garbage out; in a cynical moment, I myself may have answered "do not believe." Stupid question! Move on! Happy Darwin Day!!! As a biologist and educator, it infuriates me that the question continues to be framed as what you “believe in.” Teaching evolutionary biology, studying the process of evolution, and accepting the scientific fact of evolution has nothing to do with belief. I do all of the former things but I would NEVER say that I “believe” in evolution. Belief is the realm of metaphysics, superstition, and “spirituality” (religion), not of science. This Gallup poll is garbage in–garbage out; in a cynical moment, I myself may have answered “do not believe.” Stupid question! Move on! Happy Darwin Day!!!

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