Pentagon Officials Censor Letter To Obama Detailing Gitmo Detainee’s Rendition And Torture
Pentagon Officials Censor Letter To Obama Detailing Gitmo Detainee’s Rendition And Torture
Lawyers for Binyam Mohamed — an Egyptian-born British resident and current Guantanamo Bay detainee — have been engaged in a long-running legal battle to prove his innocence and ultimately win his release. Last week, the British High Court ruled against releasing documents describing torture techniques used against Mohamed while in U.S. custody, reportedly because the documents also prove British collaboration in his torture.
Two days ago, Clive Stafford Smith, one of Mohamed’s lawyers, wrote a letter to President Obama in an appeal to make the documents public and to inform him of his client’s case. However, the letter was sent back, with the entire section detailing Mohamed’s torture redacted, as Smith told the UK’s Channel 4 News:
CLIVE STAFFORD SMITH: The world has gone totally mad. We are trying to get the information to the President of the United States so he can assess whether this torture material should be made public. The censors in Washington, the military censors, won’t let their own commander in chief see it. It’s bizarre.
Watch the report:
The Guardian notes a possible motive behind the move. “It is understood US defence officials might have censored the evidence to protect the president from criminal liability or political embarrassment.”
Indeed, the documents reportedly contain “details of how Mr Mohamed’s genitals were sliced with a scalpel and other torture methods so extreme that waterboarding, the controversial technique of simulated drowning, ‘is very far down the list of things they did,’” one British intelligence official said.
Yesterday, the Obama administration agreed to let British officials visit Mohamed — who has been described as “just skin and bones” after a long hunger strike — at Gitmo to “prepare for his return.” “We are working as fast and hard as we can to secure Mr Mohamed’s release from Guantanamo and return to the UK. We want him to be released as soon as possible,” British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said.
UPDATE: Ken Gude, CAP’s Associate Director of International Rights & Responsibility, has a separate response to the Smith story:
The last eight years have justifiably conditioned us towards outrage, but we really need to calm down, take a deep breath, and think a little more critically about what is going on here. Clive Stafford Smith is a fantastic advocate on behalf of Guantanamo detainees that have suffered through years of tragedy, but his allegations in this instance are simply incorrect. Whatever the motivations of the DOD official that blacked out the material attached to Clive’s letter, it was certainly not to prevent President Obama from seeing it. In order for that to be true, we would have to construct a scenario in which a presidential aide brings to Obama this letter asking that specific information be de-classified, but when Obama asked what information, he was handed two completely blacked out pages and that’s the end of the story. Seriously, does that sound plausible?
The important revelation in the case in the last 24 hours is that it now looks very likely that the Obama administration intends to release Binyam Mohamed from Guantanamo and return him to the United Kingdom. Even though it is moving for his release, many are very upset with the Obama administration for continuing to assert the state secrets privilege in Mohamed’s civil cases in the United States and the United Kingdom. But again, we need to pause and ask ourselves why they are doing this. The Obama administration has absolutely no interest in “covering up” the torture and abuse associated with the Bush administration’s policies. In fact, it has already shut down the extraordinary rendition program and rejected its disgraceful interrogation practices, and in any event, there is little or nothing to cover up because we already know so much about the treatment Mohamed received. There has to be something else going on, and because those officials in the Obama administration making these decisions were fierce critics of the Bush administration, and the early actions of Obama and his team on Guantanamo, torture, and extraordinary rendition, they deserve the benefit of the doubt as they work through the mess they have inherited at Guantanamo.
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why is the president being given censored information about our own nations actions?
this is ridiculous
absurd
there are no words
February 12th, 2009 at 3:34 pmShouldn’t that be “protect the FORMER president from criminal liability”?
I am just as hopeful as the British that we do the right thing.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:37 pmYes sir re bob….the crap is begining to pile up….2009 will be a very smelly year.
I wonder if Cheney and Bush are sleeping well at night??? I wouldn’t be but then again I would never have tortured people and most importantly….I would of read the FBI brief on July 10,2001 stating there is a high risk of attack via planes on US soil.
Secondly, I hear rumblings from the 9/11 families to have Prez Obama re-open the 9/11 commission. YES!!! Maybe this time they’ll look into building “7″ that was not mentioned in the 9/11 report. DON’T YOU FIND THAT ODD??? To have an in depth report but leaves out one of the major buildings that fell. Hmmmm This is getting real interesting.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pmTime for Obama to pull rank.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pmWhat? Obama’s security clearance isn’t high enough to see this level of classified material?
I trust Obama will find this to be as ridiculous as the rest of us do.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pmPresident Obama is the Commander in Chief!
Get it?
PEACE
February 12th, 2009 at 3:50 pmIf the Pentagon officials have forgotten how to salute and say “yes, sir” then perhaps some “reflection time” in one of those nice little rooms that the military operates for just such purposes is in order.
February 12th, 2009 at 3:54 pmThis is stupid …
February 12th, 2009 at 4:12 pmWe’re down the rabbit hole. Ex-White House Homeland Security Adviser Frances Townsend gave more advice to President Obama’s team. Once again, it’s patently laughable:
Fran said:
There is no more solemn responsibility that the president bears than to protect American lives. During my 4½ years at the White House, I came to believe that, for this reason, organization must be dictated by effectiveness.
Effectiveness is dictated by organization? What organization inspired Mrs. Townsend to omit the hospital with the highest death toll from her White House Lessons Learned Report on Hurricane Katrina?
For more go to:
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/02/bush-white-house-homeland-security.html
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February 12th, 2009 at 4:14 pmEditor, RedState.com
Tallygirl @2 I thought the same thing. This couldn’t be for
Obama’s cover.
He must not be a U.K. citizen, otherwise the brits would have demanded he be returned, as they’ve done with all there other nationals.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:14 pmJudd Gregg withdrew as President Obama’s Commerce nominee. Another Repugnicant move.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pmO.T.
– - Judd Gregg just withdrew as Commerce Secy. nominee.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:20 pmtheir not there, DUH
February 12th, 2009 at 4:22 pmOT, but what do you suppose was behind Gregg pulling out after accepting and having the Gov. name his replacement? Granted, it was almost surely a Dem pick-up in 2010, but TPM is reporting “irreconcilable differences over the stimulus and census.”
Peer pressure?
PEACE
February 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThe Guardian notes a possible motive behind the move. “It is understood US defence officials might have censored the evidence to protect the president from criminal liability or political embarrassment.”
Yes, we mustn’t expose our President to taking responsibility for the beating deaths and horrific abuses done by our country. What are we thinking….?
February 12th, 2009 at 4:27 pm(re: the side-thread)
Dear R’s
Gamesmanship is no substitute for honest representation. It’s juvenile, and you should be judged harshly for it.
(re: main thread)
February 12th, 2009 at 4:29 pmThis action by military censors smacks of a coup – courts martial are in order, and absent them, we can declare the democracy dead.
16 hanshiro,
I’ve got to admit that I’m both befuddled and appalled as to why the president (you know, that strong unitary executive that Bush claimed)would tet a letter to him censored. You may be on to something.
But even then, I have to ask, isn’t the section being censored, in and of itself, a sign that something is there ? Isn’t the military censoring material to the prez a sign that something needs looking into ?
In short, if Obama doesn’t follow up on this, would it be a lack of due dilligence. Not to mention, that by not saying it, the silence is deafening.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pmMethinks Clive Stafford Smith should deliver IN PERSON the letter with the uncensored passages to President Obama. Let’s eliminate the military (protect ourselves at any cost) interference. Then we’ll see some heads roll and clear the air just a bit.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:38 pmBy the way Ben, when you use the expression “simulated drowning, you sound just like them. Surely you know this is REAL DROWNING, which can cause brain damage and death.
February 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pmSeriously, who do they think they’re kidding? After the Abu Ghraib photos were made public and the allegations of torture were confirmed by the past administration (still out as free men, pending acquisition of balls in Congress) everyone is left to his or her imagination.
Could the truth really be worse than anyone could imagine? If not, let it be known. If so, all the more reason to let it be known!
PEACE
February 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pmI actually think that the truth could easily be worse than people imagine and that is why things like this are happening. If it wasn’t that bad, I have a feeling that this administration would release a lot more of the evidence since it would just be incriminating to Bush’s administration. I’m somewhat afraid to know the real answer though.
February 12th, 2009 at 5:22 pmThe censors in Washington, the military censors, won’t let their own commander in chief see it. Now that is scaring me.
February 12th, 2009 at 5:43 pmWe now officially have torturers and mutiny in the government. We have internation blackmail to cover up discraceful attrocities. Pleese-plees-plees-pleeese.. if there’s any good people left in charge take action before it really is too late.
23 – Portraits in “not getting it”: A series of wingnut “observations”.
February 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pmNeed to clean out the Pentagon. The Department of Defense was criminalized by the Traitor, War Criminals Bush and Cheney. Like the Justice Department and other Federal Departments, they all need to be cleaned out, after the Criminal Bush.
February 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pmPoor widdle raddaos — sniff, sniff — he likes torture, he’s a sadistic freak who gets off on other people’s suffering. Just like his hero georgie. He’s an unAmerican terrorist who should be hauled off to Gitmo immediately. Buh, bye……..
February 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pmThey want to cover up for their “Torture God” Bush…if Obama sees what these sickos were actually up to it would make him sick to his stomach.
Bush/Cheney War Crimes Trials 09
February 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm“…Does that sound rational?”
It sounds completely rational in light of the Bush doctrine; “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, blind them with bullshit.”
February 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pmOh my God you people are such wimps, these people killed thousands of Americans. As far as I am concerned they can burn in hell and probably will. What we should have done was chop off their heads before you bleeding hearts had a chance to even know. Just think 300 babies, babies, do you have that babies were disintegrated, you a$$ holes. And you are worried about these killers, why??? Morons
February 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pmDont tell me it isnt right and they will do the same to our soldiers. THEY ALREADY DID, YOU A##ES!!!! go to Isreal or Afhshanistan and see how they treat their prisoners. you big bunch of leftists without a brain!!!!
I would never ever say to a killer if they killed you, that you have every right. Never Never, you hear Never. Killers dont have rights. Let God worry about if we did it right or wrong. Get some ba’s
February 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pmWell, we heard about how Bush was burrowing his folks in. This look like a prime case of that happening. And it won’t be the last time we hear about something like this happening. It just makes me sick to now learn about how horrible Bush really was, keeping in mind that this all happened before the 2004 election. Had the American people been given this critical information before that election we would have been saying President Kerry. America can never again allow a President to become a rogue dictator like this. Never. I don’t see how we can not move forward on war crimes. It is required to establish the rule of law.
February 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pmDallas,
February 12th, 2009 at 10:46 pmYou are one bleeding heart, you sicken me. Rooting for criminals who killed and will kill our fellow americans.
Get some coyonies and fight the terrorists instead of babying them. You moron, spineless moron that is.
So jeanette do you need another Tom Collins yet?
February 12th, 2009 at 11:57 pmCan someone please ask this to Pres. Obama: “Sir, is your security clearance lower than the Pentagon’s? Because a letter was sent to you describing the Bush administration’s torture practices and the Pentagon redacted the torture description before it was sent to you.”
February 13th, 2009 at 12:59 amI see jeanette’s dildo is still deluding herself. She must have a secret stash of Bush era kool-aid in her garage. Ah, vintage stuff! Seriously jeanette, you honestly can’t comprehend that we are a nation of laws. Our laws are based on the presupposition of innocence and guilt is to be proven in a court of law. How do you know with absolute certainty that every detainee is guilty? Many, if not the lion’s share, were captured not based on credible evidence but by having been “turned in” by rivaling factions from within their own nations for cash money. If we had evidence of crimes then they should be prosecuted. If we have no evidence they should be set free to their home nations. BUT WE DO NOT POSSESS THE RIGHT TO TORTURE PEOPLE! America has signed treaties that make a promise to the entire world that we will not torture. The Bush Administration obviously broke that agreement and hence broke American law. We have also signed treaties that promise prosecutions against ANY Americans who may have tortured. You see, we are OBLIGATED by International law to investigate and prosecute. We CANNOT ignore this obligation. You seem to be under the delusion that admitting this somehow makes us weak. You are so far from reality that I don’t think that there is any possibility of reaching someone so confused. It takes true strength to stand up and state that we will not torture and that if Americans did, the parties who authorized it WILL be investigated and if evidence of crimes is found we WILL prosecute. Understand that our Nation’s Constitution and our earliest laws were conceived during a time of war when we were being threatened right here in America by the enemy. We did not throw out our principals in the face of war. Just the opposite. Our pledges against torture particularly come to play in a time of war. That pledge was broken by Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. It will take a brave and strong Nation to investigate their crimes. It would be weak and immature to NOT re-affirm our long running commitments against torture. In jeanette’s warped world, the school bully who beats on the weak indiscriminately is showing strength. The person willing to stand up to the bully and say “ENOUGH” is perceived as weak in jeanette’s world.
February 13th, 2009 at 8:50 amI remember Rhandi Rhodes “discussing” the issue of “guvernin” with one of the cretinous Reightwing stooges on C-Span. Ohhh yes, here is a pic. They NEVER want to hear ANYTHING remotely reality based.
February 13th, 2009 at 9:01 amhttp://www.thisinstead.info/images/NANANA.jpg
I say we should let all those people out of Gitmo and put them into Chino. Now that would be true torture. No nice white sheets, koran reading parties, three squares a day and constant tv coverage. Lets give them equal rights. I’m sure they will enjoy that.
Instant butt buddies.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:24 pmBuckie Boy Says:
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They want to cover up for their “Torture God” Bush…if Obama sees what these sickos were actually up to it would make him sick to his stomach.
Bush/Cheney War Crimes Trials 09
Obie has reserved the right to continue those policies. Next trial will be for Obie in 4 years.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:26 pmhttp://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2009/ 02/ 09/ state_secrets/ index.html
February 13th, 2009 at 12:37 pmrddaos Says:
Poor ignorant hivemind troll. You DO know you are a moron right?
February 13th, 2009 at 1:35 pmjeanette deldin Says:
Oh my God you people are such wimps, these people killed thousands of Americans
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Oh my GOD you are ignornat beyond human comprehension. Got any evidence that Binyam Mohammed was in ANY way involved in killing ANY Americans? Ever? NO? Imagine my suprise or do you mean since brown people over there DID kill Americans that means torturing ANY brown person from that part of the world becomes justified? Do you realize how stupid and souless you are? You have no decency. You have no brain. You are an ignorant brainwashed fool. Why dont you STFU until you can actually at least recognize a cogent argument?
February 13th, 2009 at 1:38 pmjeanette deldin Says:
Got some evidence Binyam Mohamed is a killer? You do realize you are incredibly ignorant dont you?
February 13th, 2009 at 1:40 pmEugeneDebs Says:
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rddaos Says:
Poor ignorant hivemind troll. You DO know you are a moron right?
In your mind I’m sure. Freedom of speech idiot. Liberals suck. Not a thinking brain in the lot. Lemmings. You will all follow each other off the cliff. I will LMAO when you do. Why do all of you gather here on this stupid site reading these biased stories? Just to stroke each other I would guess. And I’m the “troll” and a “moron” LMFAO
February 13th, 2009 at 1:42 pmjeanette deldin Says:
Dallas,
You are one bleeding heart, you sicken me.
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jeanie you are an ignorant fascist moron. You sicken EVERYONE with a shred of decency. You embarass our entire species with your abject stupidity. Better a bleeding heart than no heart at all. Then we would be like YOU, shudder.
Rooting for criminals who killed and will kill our fellow americans.
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Either cough up the evidence that Binyam Mohamed killed or is trying to kill Americans or STFU
Get some coyonies and fight the terrorists instead of babying them. You moron, spineless moron that is.
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Oh PLEASE. What lack of self awareness what total incomprehension of the concept of irony allows someone as monumentally stupid as YOU call someone else a moron. Either cough up the evidence Binyam Mohamed is a terrorist or STFU
February 13th, 2009 at 1:44 pmjay Says:
WOW jay are you competing against the other trolls for the stupidest organic being in the universe trophy? That is some pretty good projection. I have an IQ that puts your little pea brain in the toilet. Since belly button lint is FAR more intelligent than you that isnt saying much. Since I pick things off my sweater that are far better at higher brain funtion than you will ever be you really ought to stop embarassing yourself so piteously. What do you think free speech means you simpering baboon. That conservatives get to say whatever they want and liberals are somehow barred by a reading of the first amendment comprehensible ONLY to the stupidest people on the planet like you clearly are, from RESPONDING or CRITICISING what they say? I know that is the classic stupidity that Rush put in your head but here is a clue. IT. IS. STUPID. Like you very VERY stupid. Isnt it time for Rush to tell you what you think today?
February 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pmOh by the way J in case I wasnt clear enough for your second grade reading level YES. You are clearly the troll AND the moron. It is actually obvious
February 13th, 2009 at 1:49 pmyou ignoraninouses. These terrorists have no rights YOU should not even care if they are dead, tortured or whatever
I really dont give a Dam about rights and laws when it comes to these killers. I want them dead and let God take over from here. They evaporated, people jumping, burned alive, screaming and praying to God. You know what sir? I dont give a rats A$$ what the law says at this point. You cowardly leftists are not just wimps you are WHINERS AND BIG BABIES. i feel sorry for you,wrong!!!!
February 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pmjeanette deldin Says:
My GOD you are the most IGNORANT thing I have ever seen. WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE THIS GUY IS A TERRORIST????? He doesnt become a terrorist just because he is a brown guy and you CALL him one you worthless piece of filth. Either cough up the evidence he is a terrorist you cowardly moronic dirbag or STFU
You trash our very values, you think it is fine to torture someone because you CALL him a terrorist without the slightest evidence he IS a terrorist. You are a coward. You are willing to torture people just so in your cowardice you will FEEL better you dont even CARE if he is really a terrorist or if it would really help it just makes you FEEL good that brown people are being tortured. Do you even remember what it was like before your soul dried up and blew away or just fled in disgust, saying it was SO out of there when you tortured your first small animal to death about age four?
February 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmT EugeneDebs
wow you guys cant stand the truth and maybe we will torture the wrong person, but I will take my chances. So What
If you love this guy why dont you go visit him. Nevermind he is a murderer, you are the one trashing on all the lives that were lost on 9/11 Good luck you terrorist lover/
February 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmYes, that is what I said. jerks Oh by the way bring him some kool-aid
I never brought up racist – you did
February 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pmGuilty conscience?????
jeanette deldin Says:
You are a soul less and ignorant creature. You disgust me with your cowardice. I suppose you wouldnt mind taking one for the team and BEING the innocent person tortured would you? Or your Son or daughter? Do you even recognize the concept of right and wrong? It was just as I said you are such a coward you dont even CARE if these people did anything wrong you just want brown people tortured for you own souless depraved enjoyment. You are an embarassment to our entire species. You are no better than the terrorists you hate. You would destroy our country in your cowardice. You disgust me and all decent people. Please crawl back under your rock and try to evolve. I suggest you aim for dinoflagellate since anything capable of higher brain function will certainly be far beyond your wildest dreams.
February 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pmI never tortured one single bug or animal, that sounds like you are playing games with talking points,.
February 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pmwhat you say doesnt make any sense, wanting to kill a murderer makes me a bad American? Do you realize how unamerican you sound. Would you like them to come back here? Perhaps someone you know and love this time could be lost. Just a simple tragedy that we have such leftist nonesence people living in this country, and cant even protect the American people. At least I have the guts to tell you how I think and you know what else, I dont give a sh$$ if you like me or not. You are all selfish and single minded robots following in the path of Unjustice.
jeanette deldin Says:
I never brought up racist – you did
Guilty conscience?????
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HA going to try to convince me that if the guy was WHITE or an American you would still be as unconcerned if he was guilty of anything while he was being tortured. AGAIN you CLAIM he was a murderer. EITHER COUGH UP THE EVIDENCE HE IS A MURDERER OF STFU. What is it about him that has you STILL claiming he is a murderer and a terrorist without a shred of evidence? What is the characteristic that makes him automatically guilty of being a murderer? You are a disgusting piece of filth you know it. I know it, your milkman knows it the houseflies that buzz over your stinking carcas, and are much smarter than you, know it. You jackbotted Fascist moron
February 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pmjeanette deldin Says:
I never tortured one single bug or animal, that sounds like you are playing games with talking points,.
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You could have fooled me the way you LOVE torture and dont care in the LEAST if someone is guilty of anything or not still think they SHOULD be tortured. You are disgusting
what you say doesnt make any sense, wanting to kill a murderer makes me a bad American? Do you realize how unamerican you sound. Would you like them to come back here?
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MY GOD you are ignorant beyond belief. EITHER COUGH UP YOUR EVIDENCE HE IS A MURDERER OF STFU. Maybe someone YOU know or love could be BASELESSLY CHARGED and wrongfully tortured and I am sure you would be willing to just chalk that up as taking one for the team and absoFRIGGINlutly you are a bad American. Anyone would would abandon the very values that DEFINE our country out of cowardice as you have is definitly a BAD AMERICAN
February 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pmfor your information, i dont love torture, but i am not like you in caring more for these killers than the safety of the american people. How far would you go to defend these gitmo dogs.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pmBring them here to torment the victims and families and coddle them and perhaps get them freed? You ask how I would know they were guilty, let me ask how would you know they are not guilty, do you want to take that chance???
you know all these libs would probably pay some hot shot lawyers to find a way to prove they are not guilty. Wow how wonderful for you. I would want this why???
you do not have to like us republicans, but you cannot say we are unamerican. I am true RED WHIE AND BLUE AMERICAN THROUGH AND THROUGH.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pmjeanette deldin Says:
for your information, i dont love torture, but i am not like you in caring more for these killers than the safety of the american people.
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My GOD your ignorance is a monumental palpable thing. COUGH UP THE EVIDENCE THIS GUY IS A KILLER OF STFU. You would lock people up based on WHAT in the place of, you know EVIDENCE, that they are guilty? That they are brown? There doesnt NEED to be evidence they are innocent you complete moron. Proving a negative is a logical impossibility just how stupid are you anyway? THAT is why you need evidence of guilt. Exactly what kind of evidence are you looking for. Videotape of every second of their life since they were 12 years old? My GOD you are unbelievably stupid. You COWARDLY Fascist MORONS would toss out the very values that made our country what is it because you are COWARDS. Without establishing guilt yiou can NOT treat people as if they are guilty not and even PRETEND to be a decent, honorable and civilized country. You are stupid, you have no decency and you are a coward. That you would make our country like you is disgusting beyond belief.
February 13th, 2009 at 6:12 pmjeanette deldin Says:
you do not have to like us republicans, but you cannot say we are unamerican. I am true RED WHIE AND BLUE AMERICAN THROUGH AND THROUGH.
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Yes I can. You are un-American. You are ignorant, you are a coward and you are a Fascist. You are unpatriotic because you would destroy the values that DEFINE our country. You disgust me and all other decent Americans with your Fascism and your cowardice not to mention galactic level stupidity
February 13th, 2009 at 6:15 pmmaaking our country great is not the letting terrorist get off scott free, and when you are calling me a moron does not make you look smarter, in fact it shows your true self as having no thoughts of your own. All republicans are not morons, we can see both sides to an issue, Leftists on the other hand have no thoughts on any issue right or wrong. They all use the same words over and over. I am certainly not a coward, but if the shoe fits, you may wear it. I can see by your blogs that all of you think alike, is there no one on these blogs willing to tell you that you could possibly be wrong on at least one issue????
At least on real blogs you get all kinds of answers from libs and Republicans both. That is o.k. you can keep believing you are the only ones that know everything. I thought I would try to see if any of you were willing to see both sides. I got my answer..
February 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pmJean you insufferable ignoramus. I use the word moron over and over because you establish beyond any possible argument that you are a MORON over and over. AGAIN you have just SAID that this guy is a terrorist. It is stupid beyond all comprehension. Did you think if you just repeated it enough it would magically become true? I am repeating because YOU are SO ignorant I am trying to reach a substandard brain in your own langauge. Repitition. Thats how Rush does it. So AGAIN. Either cough up some evidence this guy is a terrorist or STFU.
You cant see ANYTHING about liberals. Like in every other case the only thing you know about liberals is what Rush TOLD you to believe. You are ignorant. You are stupid. You think things become true just because you say them since you think things are true because RUSH said them. It is stupidity verging on insanity. You truly are a MORON. There just isnt any question about it and dont whine to me about the insult when you have laced your posts with insults about us liberals. The old saying about liberals is that getting us to agree on anything is like herding cats but because YOU are part of the ignorance hivemind you just project YOUR stupidity on to us. The liberals here argue amongst ourselves all the time. Incredibly stupid trolls like YOU cant do the lifting to really engage us intellectually. You flat out dont have the equipment. If Rush didnt tell you then you dont know it. You are pathetic. You are ignorant. You are stupid and you definitly are a MORON. Let me try again you cant even BEGIN the argument you want to make until you ESTABLISH WITH EVIDENCE we really are talking about a terrorist YOU INSUFFERABLE BABOON. You can CALL him a terrorist another hundred times but for those of us with normal IQs we know that doesnt MAKE them terrorists so your argument has ZERO MERIT. My GOD you are ignorant beyond my capability to describe the scope of your ignorance.
February 13th, 2009 at 7:02 pmWhy on earth do you think i listen to Rush, do you think i dont have a mind of my own??? all you libs think alike, and that is having your own mind???? your IQs indeed are questionable.
February 13th, 2009 at 8:07 pmI KNOW you dont have a mind of your own. I know you dont have a mind at ALL. Whether you got that stupid talking point from Rush directly or not doesnt matter its exactly what HE was saying about this. That liberals are blah blah blah. You are have no IQ at ALL. You have a tape recorder where a normal human beings brain would be. You repeat the same idiotic point over and over even though the crucial point has been made to DESTROY IT COMPLETELY you didnt even TRY to address it. You just kept calling Binyam Mohamed a terrorist and a killer without ONCE even TRYING to cough up a hint of a rumor of evidence he was. THAT isnt using your brain that is being a brainwashed MORON. That is you being YOU. Too stupid for words
February 13th, 2009 at 8:35 pmSorry guys, I have decided to leave you losers to your own selfish selves. Have a good life. Try to hear both sides without being a jerk
February 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pmBye forever
jeanette deldin Says:
Says the ignorant brainwashed troll who in her clueless hypocrisy called us wimps, spineless morons a$$holes and a whole bunch of other whiny invective. Glad to see the back of you. You were only embarassing yourself and the added pathetic WHINING that we treat you the way you treat us was just pitiful. You can show yourself out in disgrace with the knowlege that you are stupid and without a shred of decency not to mention unpatriotic and worthless. May the day come that you at least have enough of an epiphany to realize just how stupid you are
February 13th, 2009 at 9:13 pm