What we are talking about are unlawful acts and whether those responsible are truly above the law that they are sworn to uphold. Besides, does anybody not think that bin Laden knows all that you need to know about waterboarding. After all, the technique has been around for anyway a couple of centuries. No, I’m afraid that it is the embarrassment and criminal activity that O’Reilly wants to keep covered up.
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I say put the wanker in jail where he belongs and do not forget to include, Cheney, Rove, Bolton and Rush just to balance the scales.

Bush’s secrets must be exposed.

Bush must be brought down at any cost.

Bush lied, and thousands died.

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They spend BILLIONS AND BILLIONS for the worst strategic blunder in American History and, in the process, let Osama bin Laden get away with the murder of THOUSANDS then claim we shouldn’t “investigate” their criminal behavior. Too many people died for NO GOOD REASON for the Bu$h Administration NOT to be investigated and some go to prison!

nettles; You finely admitted that slicing someone’s genitals is torture. Why the hell did it take you so long to say so instead of dancing around it for some time?

Besides, what has torture to do with 9/11? Does 9/11 REALLY justify us stooping into barbarism? McCain said the other year, it’s not about who they are, it’s about who WE are.

That was only part of the problem with your post. There was also the logical inconsistancy of linking the VALID arguments about our policies with disrespect for the dead on 9/11. It is undeniable that one can HAVE a valid complaint then do something completely inexcusable because of it. By which I mean they are RIGHT. We DID overthrow the first Arab Democracy in the Middle east. Iran and Mossedegh in 53. We DID support Israels illegal invasion of Lebanon in 82 the SS New Jersey was offshore FIRING ARTILLERY into the Shouf mountains. They DO have good reason to be mad at us. That of course in NO WAY justifies terrorism. It is like a man comes home early and finds his wife in bed with another man. He certainly has a valid criticism. If he then SHOOTS the man and his wife he has comitted murder. The fact he is then a murderer doesnt take away the culpability of his wife. They DID do something wrong and that doesnt go away because he THEN also comitted an attrocity.

No, not when you started with this:
I knew over 2 dozen people who died that day. Maybe I can share some of your wisdom with their families.
Again, you brought it up. ht countered with his “wisdom” of facts, and you chastise him for it? WTF?

Stupidly, I thought that having the unique perspective (to some, not to fellow NYC’ers, obviously)of living through those days would be appreciated by some who might want to know something about the roots behind an opinion different from one’s own.

Most posting here lived through that horrific day. I’m sorry Skittles that you feel so inclined to make that day about you. We all suffered. Some obviously more than others. But that still doesn’t deter from the fact you brought up the dead to gain sympathy in your argument. Having a difference of opinion is one thing, bringing up the families of the dead as a “trump card” is not as forgiving. It’s deplorable. And I find that as uncalled for as your faux outrage at toasterhead’s comment.

Apparently I was dead wrong.
Its not sympathy, DRJ.

Yes, you were dead wrong. For bringing it up. But you do get acknowledgment and respect for admitting sympathy wasn’t the reason.

See, we can have civil discourse, no? Albeit laden with heavy sarcasm.

Okay- cool, sorry about the ignorance thing two weeks ago… maybe you meant to be so apt…

You’re trying really hard to be offended by HT’s comment, I personally would be more offended by Bush’s actions in the days, months, and years after the attacks where he used the memory of your dead friends sacrifice to push through things like waterboarding of detainees… which we both agree is torture and wrong. I am offended by that…

And I remember your comment… because I was the one who pointed out that your analogy was apt but only through your ignorance, it wasn’t a glider but a Rutan LongEZ that ran out of gas due to a previous owner’s rewiring of the fuel selector switch… So like Denver, Carter’s economy was scuttled by the actions of others that prevented gas from flowing to the engine… remember?

The comment about “your dead friends” sounds harsh at first read and could have been made much less caustically and much more precisely. But what I believe the posters INTENDED to convey was that your friends might not BE dead if it hadn’t been for the history of disastrous US policies abroad.

I truly don’t think that anyone meant to attack you, and your mentioning the loss does NOT come across as a ploy for sympathy. We who post here deal with so many “trolls” [and their hatreds and delusions and bigotries and general nonsense] that we sometimes riposte first and think later.

Nothing that any of us can say will erase your pain or make up for your loss, but please accept my sympathy?

February 13th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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Yeah, that was pretty stupid of you. It’s not a unique experience, just FYI. I also lived through those days, breathing the lingering smoke from the Pentagon for a week after the attacks. Though thankfully I didn’t lose anyone I knew personally, I know many people who lost friends and colleagues.

However, I didn’t use the experience to retreat into ignorance, as you obviously have. I took it as an impetus to learn more and understand the root causes of what happened that day.

If that’s disgraceful, so be it. I think your ignorance is just as disgraceful, so I suppose we’re even, Netty!

The integrity of the US is not defined by criminals.

Okay, now we’re getting somewhere…

You see, integrity is the very reason these things MUST be exposed… we MUST be better than this- we MUST prosecute illegal actions, even when they are ‘authorized’ by the President of the United States… Thiessen is dead wrong.

Glad you’re on board, Nettles…