Rep. Cao Succumbs To GOP Arm-Twisting
Rep. Cao Succumbs To GOP Arm-Twisting
Earlier this week, New Orleans’ freshman congressman Joseph Cao (R) stated that he would vote for the economic recovery package. “I believe that more likely than not, I will vote for it because the 2nd Congressional District needs a stimulus package,” he said. Even on the day of the vote, Cao was telling reporters that he was “leaning yes.”
When the vote occurred yesterday, Cao voted no, succumbing to the GOP’s pressure tactics. Politico reports:
Beforehand, Cao acknowledged that Republican leaders had put “pressure” on him to oppose the package, and the party’s chief deputy whip, California Rep. Kevin O. McCarthy, stood near Cao during the entire vote.
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), the Republican whip, “said he had talked to Cao regularly, including the last 24 hours.” Cao emphasized that the leadership did not apply “extreme pressure,” however.
After flip-flopping, Cao couldn’t get his story straight. He claimed, “Personally I was always against the bill.” He also told the Times-Picayune that the Obama administration made little effort to court his vote, but he told The Hill, “There was a White House representative who came over to my office [on Thursday], specifically assigned to me.”
Norman Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, said Cao’s hopes for winning a second term depended on “people in the district identifying him as a thoroughly independent person who is not in the thrall of the Republican leadership. Now anyone running against him can say, ‘He’s a Republican mouthpiece.’”
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Beforehand, Cao acknowledged that Republican leaders had put “pressure” on him to oppose the package, and the party’s chief deputy whip, California Rep. Kevin O. McCarthy, stood near Cao during the entire vote.
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It was the horse’s head in his bed when he woke up that did it…
February 14th, 2009 at 2:33 pmI so look forward to the astonishing displays of tap-dancing the GOOPers will be doing as they accept the stimulus money on behalf of their districts WHILST continuing to decry all that wasteful pork…
February 14th, 2009 at 2:34 pmRep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), the Republican whip, “said he had talked to Cao regularly, including the last 24 hours.” Cao emphasized that the leadership did not apply “extreme pressure,” however.
I guess that means they stopped short of slicing his testicles.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:35 pmOne could say that McCarthy “Cao-ed” him.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pmParty before country… no surprise here.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pmbenmaller,
Why don’t you try to understand what this site is about before posting meaningless drivel like that.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pmso typical of Gopigs lying to their constituents for votes but at the same time, voting for party/lobbyists interest.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:42 pmRalph, they didn’t have to, he needs to grow a pair first.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmI don’t know if having Eric Cantor talk to me for 24 hours would make me change my vote, but it sure would make me long to be deaf. Or dead.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pmI hope Obama is taking names. It’s time that the country knows who is standing in the way, when 2010 comes around.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pmCao emphasized that the leadership did not apply “extreme pressure,” however.
whats “extreme pressure”, waterboarding?
February 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pmFromt he “Extreme Pressure” link
“When that moment arrived Friday, he concluded that there was not enough in the bill for infrastructure, for education, and for genuinely stimulative projects to justify eschewing his basic frugality.”
So, he felt it should have been LARGER. More spent! But, but, that is not what the GOOPERS were saying.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
I don’t know if having Eric Cantor talk to me for 24 hours would make me change my vote, but it sure would make me long to be deaf. Or dead.
It would make me rip off my ears.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pmAlecto, good point. (And I see you made the same typo that I always make, attaching the ‘t’ in ‘the’ to the end of the previous word. Glad it’s not just me.)
February 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pmOops, Alecto, my ‘good point’ was for #13, but you also have a point at #14. ;-)
February 14th, 2009 at 3:00 pmWhat’s really troubling to me is Ornstein’s analysis: It’s spot on, and that’s the weird part.
Take that, combined with Yglesias’ report of one of Norm’s fellow AEI hacks backing bank nationalization, and I’m beginning to wonder if I’m suddenly in bizarro world.
Since when did anyone at AEI talk sense?
February 14th, 2009 at 3:00 pmHey, my smile fell off my winky face!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:00 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
Oops, Alecto, my ‘good point’ was for #13, but you also have a point at #14. ;-)
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Nice, Jane…
***tap… tap…***
Smoke all my dope then run off…
February 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pmbenmaller Says:
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Somebody’s feeling sorry for themselves… ;-)…
February 14th, 2009 at 3:03 pmIt’s truly amazing—and, rather appalling—that the minority leadership of both houses of Congress are able to hold the feet of their members to the fire as they march lockstep off the cliff and into their long walk in the desert.
It’s truly reminiscent of a political ‘Jonestown’ or equivalent mass suicide, where the true believers and sympathizers hang together in their pathetic effort to exert some control—any control—over an outcome.
All for one, and one for all! And, all for naught. Sad…
February 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pmTRoS, that was all of it?
February 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pmbenmaller
Don’t worry about the messiah, just Go Shopping ™!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:07 pmbenmaller says:
Sheesh, “talking points” “phantom earmarks”, these are not words we are familiar with. You assume our behavior is like your behavior. G’wan… crawl off to your cave.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pmCao’s district perhaps more than most need “stimulus help” & he votes against helping his community.Now why in the world would the people in his district re-elect this “ungrateful” tool.The ball is in his constituents court,kick him out come 2010.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
TRoS, that was all of it?
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Well… YOU could always bring some too, ya know…
Uh, Jane… don’t look know, but Wayne just showed up wearing a tiara…
Wayne? Is there sumpin’ you’d like to tell us all?
February 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pmIf any of these politicians voted against the Recovery Plan, then maybe they shouldn’t take any of the money for their district or state.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pmYou don’t see me sitting here making fun of your tiara, TRoS.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pmAlright, TRoS, I’ll contribute a little something, too. And maybe Wayne couldn’t find his own medals? I want a sparkly tiara, too!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:16 pmKid Charlemagne Says:
If any of these politicians voted against the Recovery Plan, then maybe they shouldn’t take any of the money for their district or state.
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My point EXACTLY… so… how’s the HRE doin’ these days?
February 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
You don’t see me sitting here making fun of your tiara, TRoS.
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Dang… did I forget to take it off?
No wonder folks bin starin’ at me… at least I hope that;s the only reason…
Sheesh… whatever that got over on that party thread… the silliness seems to be spreading.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
I want a sparkly tiara, too!
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Oh great… now they’re going to start fighting over the tiara…
Wayne… just let her wear the ruby slippers… at least for today, m’kay?
February 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pmWhat a guy. For the sake of his party he threw his own constituents under the bus. What backbone, what a conscience. This man is the perfect Republican tool. He is the picture of an idiot and the frame looks good on him.
I love the picture of someone standing by him during the vote, just in case a moment of courage should overcome his party’s pressure. Not to worry. I hope his stupid constituents remember this congressman’s caving in.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pmTRoS, I think we’re staring ’cause your tiara clashes with your pajamas.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pmDoes anyone need further proof that the RePugniScum party is the new Mafia?
RePugniScums = Gangsters!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:24 pmNo wonder folks bin starin’ at me… at least I hope that;s the only reason…
Yeah, I hate it when the other drivers stare at me, too.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pmThe GOP milked the Cao for all it’s worth.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pmVote the RepubliCon sheeple out. Are these stooges unable to think for themselves!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pmapparently “the party of ideas” has turned into “the party of coercion, led by a billovating, impotent, drug addicted comedian.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pmI’m surprised he didn’t find horse head in his bed.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pmThe party of fear, lies and intimidation live on. This seems to answer my question from the previous thread about the possible reasons why republican Judd Gregg withdrew his name as Secretary of Commerce. First he withdraws his name and then he announces he will not seek re-election in 2010. Interesting, very interesting.
By the way, I’ve read that one of Gregg’s staffers was being investigated for receiving tickets to hockey and baseball games from some lobbyists and this same staffer is under invetigation for involvement with the infamous Jack Abramoff. Gregg himself has been told he isn’t under investigation but it really makes me wonder what really made him change his mind and decide to retire from politics.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:39 pmiamwhoiam Says:
I’m surprised he didn’t find horse head in his bed.
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See Comment 1.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pmGotta go out for a while.
I’m trusting you guys to not trash the place completely while I’m gone.
Just ask yourselves… if I (You) were TROS… would I (You) do that?
After nodding yes and giggling to yerself… PLEASE DO THE OPPOSITE.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWell no wonder he wanted to vote against it. After his republican buddies bartered it down to the somewhat ineffectual bill we have now I’d probably not have voted for it either. Not without putting back some of the stuff they took out, and getting rid of the wasteful nonsense.
Like this from AP.
Wow.
13 dollars a week.
Man you can eat good on that, huh?
What a windfall.
With that 13 bucks a week in our pockets at least we will have some pocket change to buy ourselves a cup of coffee once a day at the McDonalds while we’re standing on the street corners with our “Will Work for Food” signs.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:42 pmHow many billions of our borrowed tax dollars did it cost to give us all that whopping 13 bucks a week I wonder?
I’ll be looking for Geitners new book, “How I turned a 100 Billion in cash into 13 bucks a week”.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pmHow very disappointing. Cao turned out to be a coward along with the rest of the Republican cowards. After the 2nd District learns that Cao put politics before the people that he represents, he will be a one term congressman.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pmMichael Lafferty Says:
It’s truly amazing—and, rather appalling—that the minority leadership of both houses of Congress are able to hold the feet of their members to the fire as they march lockstep off the cliff and into their long walk in the desert.
It’s truly reminiscent of a political ‘Jonestown’ or equivalent mass suicide, where the true believers and sympathizers hang together in their pathetic effort to exert some control—any control—over an outcome.
All for one, and one for all! And, all for naught. Sad…
It is like I said in another thread, the Repulicons cannot even fathom reality. They think they can just conger up a reality like Rove depicted, and we will be forced to live in their reality.
HELLLLOOOO Republitraitors, we won, get with the program. The line to shake President Obama’s hand starts here. Make sure you address him as PRESIDENT Obama.
Reality is not always what you have planned.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pmTRoS, trash the place? Oh, the irony, look at all those dirty diapers left behind. YOU cut-and-run and leave us the mess to clean.
Have you no shame, sir?
February 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pmok Cao (how to pronounce that?)… those kudos i sent your way yesterday? never mind. chump.
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… Norman Ornstein… haven’t heard from him since the old al franken radio days… always thought he was very reasonable and smart… the kind of republican i remember my dad and his group were…
norman should’ve been a lot louder all these years…
February 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pmEvery American should be outraged at this waste of money with this 13 dollars a week dole. It’s like a CHILDS ALLOWANCE! Heck most middle class kids get 20. 13 bucks? It’s an insult. As if it would make any difference to anyone other than a homeless person.
The 100 billion or more that it cost out of the package to offer this nonsense tax rebate could have been put to good use. Like backing home mortgages or building infrastructure.
Or better yet, putting back that 15,000 dollar tax credit for home buying. That’d actually do something, by getting middle class families to feel better about buying homes since the 15 k just happens to be the typical closing costs on a median priced home.
But dividing it up into such a tiny, insignificant amount is stupid. Criminally stupid. And it disturbs me that no on is speaking up about it. 13 dollars a week won’t do anything other than waste billions, perhaps hundreds of billions of our tax dollars.
If they want to give a tax rebate to workers then fine. Make it something that counts. 1500. 2500. That’d make a difference.
13 bucks a week is the worst example of stupidity as I have ever seen.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pmthe party’s chief deputy whip, California Rep. Kevin O. McCarthy, stood near Cao during the entire vote.
Wow, that’s really creepy.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pmIt’s impossible to work with these asholes.
repug idiots come in all ethnicity. repugs will have one from each group just for show. It will be hard for them to find them though. Most people of color don’t like to be degraded and humiliated, especially for nothing.
cao/steele when are y’all gonna visit Moonshine, Mississippi?
HAHAHAHAHA
repugs haven’t figured it out yet we don’t need their stinkin obstructionist votes.
Try doing what is right repugs!
February 14th, 2009 at 4:15 pmCould one of you kindly explain to me what exactly is “extreme pressure“?
Did the poor guy expected to be waterboarded?
February 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pmIt wasn’t even arm-twisting. According to the Politico story, the party’s chief deputy whip “stood near Cao during the entire vote.” Sounds more like Mafia-style “encouragement” to me. Wonder if Cao will join with other Republicans who voted against the bill & our now singing its praises in their districts (without mentioning their ‘nay’ vote, of course.
I hope in all the science stuff there’s supposed to be in the stimulus bill there’s a grant for finding the ‘Republican’ gene & eradicating it.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
February 14th, 2009 at 4:26 pm“the party’s chief deputy whip “stood near Cao during the entire vote.”
February 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pmsounds like someone was a candidate for a beat-down on the floor of the house if he voted the wrong way.
McCarthy had to stand close during the vote. He had Caos nuts in his fist. Cao knew that there would be some extreme pressure if he voted “yea” on the bill. It was a choice of conscience or crushed nuts. Conscience lost.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:42 pmHaven’t these dumbass repugs realized yet, they are blamed for the economic crisis and are being blamed for preventing needed aid to help restore our economy?
It’s sad that the repugs want to stuff their failed policies down our throats. and wish to hold the weak, poor, sick and the challenged hostage.
It’s laughable that they put a restraint on any thing. For 8 long yrs we put up with their spending sprees, while never paying their fair share in taxes.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pmBeforehand, Cao acknowledged that Republican leaders had put “pressure” on him to oppose the package, and the party’s chief deputy whip, California Rep. Kevin O. McCarthy, stood near Cao during the entire vote.
And Mark Foley was standing next to Cao’s son.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pmMcWars Says:
Have you no shame, sir?
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I’m surprised you even need to ask that question…
HEY!! You!!! That fire extinguisher is NOT a toy!
February 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pmHow much more proof do we need to prove these buttdrips want a one world order?
Look at what they have done and is doing to their very own stinkin party. A bunch of warmongering nastyass vampires.
repugs are arrogant sore losers
February 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm“Now anyone running against him can say, ‘He’s a Republican mouthpiece.’”
Why do you think that’s gonna hurt him? He ran as a Puke, and won handily. They don’t value independence much among their pols down along the bayou…
February 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pmBy putting the screws to Cao, Eric Cantor insures that the GOP remains a monolith of obedience, greed, and stupidity.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmHaven’t these dumbass repugs realized yet, they are blamed for the economic crisis and are being blamed for preventing needed aid to help restore our economy?
Who’s blaming them? you and me, mebbe…but I don’t see it in the press or the news shows. For them, history began yesterday..
February 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pmI wish the Dims had had the stones to include language in the bill stipulating that no economic srimulus aid would be spent in districts whose representatives voted against it…
gutless phuques would never do it. But it would have been instructive…
February 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmLook if the Republicans want to succeed as fascists they’re going to have to pick a dictator.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmBullsmith Says:
Look if the Republicans want to succeed as fascists they’re going to have to pick a dictator.
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They had one. Didn’t work out too well.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmtokin. If they didn’t get the money, would they avoid the obligation to pay it back?
February 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pmbackup Says:
tokin. If they didn’t get the money, would they avoid the obligation to pay it back?
Just what is that supposed to mean….backup?
February 14th, 2009 at 5:14 pmbackup Says:
tokin. If they didn’t get the money, would they avoid the obligation to pay it back?
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Sure… if they want to assume all obligation for Botch’s deficits…
February 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pmI mean, there’s no news in being another cowardly R.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmCao just missed his chance to be votable. Picked the LOSING side. Hey, CAo, switch parties! If you really want a future as a politician, you have to make some news here.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmWe’ll trade ya clean up for that, captain…
And no more Red State welfare.
I’m tired of supporting a bunch of delusional evangelicals living in doublewides.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pmDoes anyone else have the problem of your posts showing in reverse order?
February 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pmGee… where’d b-cup go?
February 14th, 2009 at 5:31 pmRepublic. This idea that you can use federal taxpayer money and only use it for those that support it, is ridiculous.
How bout this. Everybody that supports stimulus pitch in.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:42 pmCapt?
Where’d you go?
We’ll take that deal… we’ll assume the stimulus package debt if you’ll assume Botch’s endless deficits. And no more Red State welfare…
You can have Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, & Okalhoma ALL TO YOURSELVES…
February 14th, 2009 at 5:43 pmbackup Says:
Republic. This idea that you can use federal taxpayer money and only use it for those that support it, is ridiculous.
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But… but… that was YOUR offer!
If the states willingly refuse that money, they don’t have to pay for it?
Then why do we, in the blue states have to pay for their leeching Cheneys?
I didn’t vote for Botch’s misguided blood-soaked adventure in South Asia… why should I have to pay for it? You broke it, you buy it.
Fair is fair.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pmGot to make sure the new kid toes the line. God forbid any Repuke should be allowed to make up his or her own mind or vote their conscience (that is, even if they actually have one).
February 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pmSKdeA Says:
Does anyone else have the problem of your posts showing in reverse order?
it happens occasionally… some call int time travel…
February 14th, 2009 at 5:49 pmi finally figured out what they were talking about…
Republic. Maybe you’re more of a conservative than I am.
So, you’re saying that whoever funds the police and fire departments (with tax money) should be the only ones they service?
What about those that can’t afford to pay taxes?
Should those people be denied emergency care at the hospital? They didn’t help fund it.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:50 pmRepublic. For those progressives that oppose nuclear energy, big oil, clean coal – you get the idea; should they have to pay more for their electricity than someone who doesn’t?
Maybe you’re on to something.
February 14th, 2009 at 5:55 pmDoing a crossword here. What’s a four letter word for a Republican from Louisiana? Starts with L.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:00 pmlong.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pm.
It’s not arm twisting…
… That’s called LOYALISM!
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February 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmmy bad. long was a democrat
February 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pmmaybe lone. because there aren’t many republicans.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:08 pmbackup Says:
Republic. Maybe you’re more of a conservative than I am.
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Geez, b-cup. I’m disappointed in you.
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backup Says:
If they didn’t get the money, would they avoid the obligation to pay it back?
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Those are YOUR words. How they not get the money?
Several of us have wondered here if the GOOPer Congresscritters who were so opposed to the stimulus bill would stick to their principles and refuse the money. Tokin wondered if language should be inserted in the bill to deny money to those that voted against it.
You wondered if they should have to pay for it if they don’t.
I agreed w/ you. I VOTED AGAINST Botch, both times. Why should I have to pay for his horrifically stupid miscalculations?
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, b-cup.
Will the GOOPers who were so opposed to the stimulus stick to their principles and refuse the money?
February 14th, 2009 at 6:10 pmbexarblue Says:
Doing a crossword here. What’s a four letter word for a Republican from Louisiana? Starts with L.
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I’d suggest “welfare LEeCH” but that’s too many letters… heh…
But then, the hum skooled prolly cain’t count that high anyways…
February 14th, 2009 at 6:11 pmRepublic. The problem is you can’t separate the benefit from the cost. We have a system. We have a president and a congress. The idea for stimulus comes up. People can be for it or against it. But, if it passes, it will be all of our money (not just those that supported it) and it will be all our benefit or loss.
The same thing with Bush and the war. We elected him. You can disagree, but in the end it’s all our money that’s paying for it and it’s all our benefit or loss.
The stimulus may work or it may not. But, because we have the system we have, the idea that you could somehow segregate those that support the bill from those that don’t isn’t realistic, more importantly, it’s not possible.
We elected Bush. We elected Obama. Here we are.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:19 pmThere is apparently at least one republican Long:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Long
February 14th, 2009 at 6:20 pmbackup Says:
The idea for stimulus comes up. People can be for it or against it. But, if it passes, it will be all of our money (not just those that supported it) and it will be all our benefit or loss.
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Astonishing, b-cup. I’ve always suspected you were a bit of a fraud, but this is an eye popper.
You’re arguing against your own words… and now, somehow, I SAID THEM.
Yuo said, if they don’t get the money, do they have to assume the obligation?
Were you not arguing this position?
Di I need to go cut and paste your comment again?
I AGREED w/ you. I said no, they don’t.
And if they don’t have to pay to back, why should I pay back Botch’s war debt?
Will the GOOPers who voted AGAINST the stimulus bill do the right thing and refuse to take the money? Wouldn’t that be true to their principles?
When they’re busy handing out the red state welfare checks will they remind the red state leeches, “Remember, I didn’t want you to get this… make sure you blame the Libruls… and feel free to shoot a couple, like Jim Adkisson…”
Just asking, b-cup. You seem a little confused today.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:29 pmRepublic. I think your stereotype of home schoolers may be off. Here’s some information on it. (I couldn’t figure out how to put it in a link, but then again, I went to public school).
http://epaa.asu.edu/epaa/v7n8/
February 14th, 2009 at 6:31 pmYum. How do you like the taste of that Kool-Aid Joey? You better start liking it because you’re going to be drowning in the stuff.
You’re going to be waterboarded with RepubCo Kool-Aid Joey! But it ain’t torture Joey. It’s just bidness in Repubworld. Persuasion. Not torture. Keep that in mind Joey. It’ll make it all easier to take.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:37 pml-o-u-t
February 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pmI was responding to this around #64.
This sentiment comes up all the time. If you want to deny those representatives funding from the stimulus, how would you ensure they (or their constituents) would not bear the responsibility to repay the money?
I understand the argument that those that opposed Bush would rather not pay for his mistakes.
My point (regardless of how poorly I made it) is our system doesn’t work like that. We have a representative republic. We all get a voice and the representatives in the majority decide what to do.
But, we all get a voice. And the idea that just because a representative disagrees, doesn’t mean they are then somehow disenfranchised.
Imagine if the representatives from California opposed the war in Iraq and the administration decided to pull all federal military and homeland security assets out of California?
Doesn’t make sense to me.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:43 pmBlackmail is a bi*ch, isn’t it?
February 14th, 2009 at 6:53 pmBe careful what you wish for!!! Now Cao is in a corner and he will have to prove he’s working for the voter again. He was honest when he was elected but we see even a good honest man can be entrapped. I wish him luck but he just might be a one term Rep.
February 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pmbackup Says:
This sentiment comes up all the time. If you want to deny those representatives funding from the stimulus, how would you ensure they (or their constituents) would not bear the responsibility to repay the money?
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‘Course, those red state welfare leeches constantly complain having to pay for other people’s libraries, other people’s kids going to school, other people’s medical bills. You’d think it was THEIR money they’re spending.
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But, we all get a voice. And the idea that just because a representative disagrees, doesn’t mean they are then somehow disenfranchised.
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Gee, b-cup… all I did was wonder if the GOOPers who voted against the stimulus would DO THE PRINCIPLED THING and turn down the money. Or will they remind their Bible-thumping, evangelical welfare leeching constituents, “Hey… I voted against this. I don’t think you should get this money.’
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Imagine if the representatives from California opposed the war in Iraq and the administration decided to pull all federal military and homeland security assets out of California?
Doesn’t make sense to me.
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Makes sense to me. ON its own, california is the world’s 8th largest economy. We always pay more into the Fed than we get back. I’m so tired of supporting red state welfare leeches.
February 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pmOh, BTW, didn’t Dild O’Rally wish on air that teh terraists would attack California because we were opposed to the Iraq War”?
Thu, Nov 10, 2005 1:00pm
O’Reilly to San Francisco: “[I]f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. … You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead”
http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100008
Heh… that Dild… he DID say something very much like that.
Funny… I don’t recall many righties telling him he was wrong.
Did you, b-cup? Just asking…
February 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pmRepublic. What O’Reilly said was wrong.
I agree. But, that makes the point doesn’t it?
We are in this together. If someone doesn’t think the stimulus is a good idea, his district should be denied funding? Really?
February 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pmTotally backup. If anyone thinks the stimulus program is bad they just have to walk away. Be sure you ask before you drive on a repaved road this summer.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:12 pmso, hoodathunk, you’re agreeing with O’Reilly? Those that oppose defense initiatives should be denied defense?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:32 pmIf I may, Hoodathunk…?
I think you’re confusing things needlessly, b-cup.
You’re trying to say that Hoodathunk or TRoS or anyone else here would like to DENY benefits of the stimulus package to those who voted against it.
In fact, they are saying that those who voted against it should have the integrity to refuse those benefits themselves.
You see the difference? You, like most conservatives immediately assume that we call for government responsibility for everything, even when we’re calling for personal responsibility.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:36 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
You see the difference? You, like most conservatives immediately assume that we call for government responsibility for everything, even when we’re calling for personal responsibility.
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Nicely put, ralph. That’s a slippery issue. It’s all in the wording, no?
Considering just how totally opposed GOOPers were to the stimulus package, one can’t help but wonder if they will stick to their principles and refuse to accept any of the money.
Or will they make sure they tell their constituents, “Remember… I voted against making this money available to you… but it’s still the Libruls’ fault… feel free to go shoot some… especially unarmed women in church.”
But given that red states have been getting more from the Fed than they pay in for DECADES now, I’m betting a solid NO on that one.
I’d be curious to know if b-cup condemned O’Rally for his comment at the time.
What you say, b-cup? Thumbs up… or down?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pmMy bad, b-cup… I didn’t see your comment agreeing w/ me on O’Reilly.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:46 pmThank you Ralph. You said it much nicer than I would have. My response would have been…no, moron what I said in a very sarcastic manner was, if you don’t like the idea that American money is being spent in America, walk in the ditch.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:46 pmralph. I see the point. But, the problem with the logic is that we, collectively, will be responsible for paying back the money.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pmI’ll try it this way:
We’re all members of a club. The end of year we’re going to take a group trip. Most people want to go to Disneyland, but some don’t.
Regardless of who goes, we’re going to spend all the dues on the trip.
The ones that didn’t want Disneyland should be excluded from the trip; just because they spoke up?
Once we make up our minds, let’s all go to Disneyland. Together.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:01 pmbackup Says:
In fact, they are saying that those who voted against it should have the integrity to refuse those benefits themselves.
ralph. I see the point. But, the problem with the logic is that we, collectively, will be responsible for paying back the money.
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Right back where we were before.
If righties don’t want to take that filthy, tainted lucre, they don’t have to.
I for one, will gladly release them from their obligation to pay it back… and in turn, since I didn’t vote for Botch’s endless fiascos, I shouldn’t have to pay for them either. Fair is fair.
Or keep shelling out to support red state welfare leeches.
Can’t have it both ways, captain.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:24 pmbackup Says:
We get your point but you’re not getting ours you’re fighting your own ARGUMENT.
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tokin. If they didn’t get the money, would they avoid the obligation to pay it back?
February 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pmI say propping up failing companies and bailing out fraudulant lending banks with taxpayers money is going to be a huge problem that this country cant handle.Let them fail.Let well run companies take over.Dont point your fingers at the GOP for the failures brought on by the Clinton era.Remember that we ALL have to pay for those wonderfull boom years that were all a borrowed party!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pmIt’s impossible to separate an initiative paid by the federal treasury into those that pay and those that benefit.
We have a government, led by representatives. Everybody’s got a voice. The decisions will be made by the majority.
If a representative disagrees with the stimulus, there is no way exempt his district from funding it. It’s being funded from the federal treasury. In part, by the people that live in his district.
If his constituents are going to help pay for it, why would he refuse the stimulus money?
February 14th, 2009 at 9:42 pmPelosi thinks a peanut butter and jelly sandwich will stimulate the economy,so line up and vote for that PB&J!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pmEven die hard Dems know this is a piniada full of aimless spending that will cripple this country for decades.Call me what you will,but I will stick to my opposition of this plan and this President if he continues on his puppet strings.It is clearly transparent that he is passing out the paychecks to the engines that got him there!
Kllwhity, lay off the cheap rotgut, it has affected your brain. And find a better rant than blaming Clinton. That is so passe. Do you still use dial-up? Try hanging out at the library rather than redstate.org. It may not be too late for you if you act now.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:45 pmThere is obviously no cure for terminal stupidity.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:46 pmIf you made a 34,000 dollar mistake on YOUR taxes,you would be in jail!!!! Dems think it makes you more qualified!!
February 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pmMaybe when it comes time to pay back the stinkulis,Gietner will just act like we forgot we owed it!!
If you made a 34,000 dollar mistake on YOUR taxes,you would be in jail!!!!
As should 90% of the Republicans in Congress.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:53 pmI call a spade a spade and then you call ME stupid! That makes sense! Of course they leaned on him to vote no. And he will be glad he did when the smoke clears and all the DEms have spent themselves out of Washington.I will want to hear from you all when we all have to pay this embezellment back.Nothing stimulates consumer spending like a huge bill ahead!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 9:57 pmoh, kilwhity… keep on keeping on, brother.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pmWell, since the Republicans have sprayed TRILLIONS of dollars, the Democrats will have to hold some night sessions to catch up. One good thing is at least the Democrats are spending it on Americans in need rather than the to 1% war profiteers. Do you actually believe the Republicans give a flying crap about you other than the money they can bleed out of you and the rights they can take away? So yes, I can believe Hoodathunk called you stupid,and was being kind as well.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pmAs should 90% of the Republicans in Congress.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:06 pmAnd that is how you justify hiring a crook!! Well,he is surrounded by crooks,so he’ll do fine.I for one am tired of letting crooks in both parties run the show.The lessor of two evils?
How about no evils!!
Well,I guess sheep will always be sheep.
You will never hear me say “Bahh!!”
Arod For President!!!!!
Well, Republicans wrote the book on hiring crooks. Do you really want to go there? Take a deep breath and think, if that is not too difficult for you.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:09 pmKllwhity Says:
Dont point your fingers at the GOP for the failures brought on by the Clinton era.
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Ya mean, that budget surplus and the 22 million jobs created?
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“kllwhity”… wow.. that’s clever… “kill whity”… saaaay, is this gopny back under a different name?
February 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pmSo, kll – where were you when Bush was making America his bendover boy, eh?
February 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pmYeah ,I know. I’m stupid.I’m a drunk.Yep funny funny.I guess it makes you feel good to call me stupid.If it stimulates you,go ahead.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:29 pmSee,I own my home.I own a business.I am married and have three beautiful children.And before you start spewing “life of priviledge” I came from a single parent family with two siblings.(NO welfare thank you!) I have done for me and mine!
So call me names. I will take it from the source.
just dont expect me to sit quietly while this REGIME flushes my country and my childrens future down the toilet.
As for my user name,dont read into it to much.I am not racist.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pmBut we do live in an age “Where White Will Embrace What Is Right” Or did we forget that already.
Who is spewing ‘life of priviledge’? And where were you for the past 8 year while that REGIME flushed OUR country down the toilet? A bit of tunnel vision there, you might want to get out more.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pmDon’t read too much into your user name? How clueless are you?
February 14th, 2009 at 10:33 pmoh, kilwhity… you are what you is. No one has forgotten nothing, sport.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:55 pmjust dont expect me to sit quietly while this REGIME flushes my country and my childrens future down the toilet. -=KW=-
Have you forgotten that these stimulus and bailout packages started under the Bush administration?
Have you forgotten that under that same admin that the banksters were promised some 5.7 trillion in assistance that was not voted on?
The money will probably be printed into existence because the government and the banks are basically all insolvent?
February 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pmYep, and the Clinton administration didn’t christen the ship that is subprime mortgage? I guess we as Americans owe it to everyone who cant afford their mortgages, to pay it for them.Poor have the right to own,minorities have the right to own,illegals have the right to own.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:31 pmWrong!!! they have the right to earn,THEN OWN!!!
If you cant afford it! Dont buy it!
Argue all you want,The Clinton Admin, created it and the Bush admin, looked the other way.
So why should we be bailing out banks again? Or borrowing money we dont have?
But what do I know,I’m stupid.
Is that the same Clinton administration where the Republicans had the majority in the House and Senate from 1994 and until 2006 when it was a wash and then in 2008 where the American people sent an even stronger message the Republicans are out of favor, to be polite?
February 14th, 2009 at 11:41 pmYo, whity… you’re not only stupid, you don’t want to learn.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:42 pmGo on with your bad self, sport.
kil . . . your posts do nothing . . . the rambin’ of a sloth ASLEEP for the past 8 YEARS and a head full of old Rush/Dobbs Reports (VERY OLD) . . . all really adds nothing but makes you feel good . . . glad for your “success”, NOW maybe you can spend some free time on CONTEMPORARY POLITICS and FACTS . . . .
February 14th, 2009 at 11:48 pmYa mean, mean that budget surplus and the 22 million jobs created?
February 14th, 2009 at 11:49 pmHow many of those jobs were empty tech jobs?
How much of that so called surplus was overinflated market value and earnings?
Roads do not get paved,houses do not get built, cars do not roll off the line when everyone is sitting behind a keyboard!
Clinton era boom was a bust in the making and he left it for Bush.Granted Bush didn’t do much to fix it,but wait and see where we are in eight years.Bush will seem like a saint by then.
whity, goodnight.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pmCan you say “one term” congressman?
This reminds me when Rostenkowski lost his seat in 1994 to Michael Flanagan, who was a Republican mouthpiece, and he lost the seat in 1996 (I think it was Rahm who won it if I remember right).
February 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pmKil . . . ??? give it a break and STUDY some facts or take an economics class . . . maybe a CONTEMPORARY HISTORY one too
February 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pmThrashing a bit there Kllwhity? Try to follow the thread. Take your time. We can wait.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:53 pmnaw, he’s a waste of time – goodng’t
February 14th, 2009 at 11:53 pmYeah, you’re right Jess. No matter how we try some types keep eating the pages out of the books. Sad. Later.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:57 pmAnd just for Ha Ha’s ,quote me were I have taken a side.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:57 pmYou cant, because I never have.
That is part of my arguement.
How many of you are just going with it to go with it?
This stimulis is bad for EVERYONE!!
You cant tell me everyone on this board thinks this is the right thing to do.
You would like to know what I think, Kllwhity?
Welp, here goes. I think you’re one confused SOB. I think that for some strange reason you are blaming both Clinton and Obama and giving GWB a free pass. I think you’re a dum bass, I think you’re a fake and a fraud… I think you have nothing to offer to anyone, and you’re having one heck of a time digesting that.
I think you don’t have a clue, never had a clue, and I’m willing to bet you never will have one.
The times, they are a changin’, whity. You’re going to feel it… and it aint goin’ to feel good.
Later, son.
February 15th, 2009 at 12:15 amKllwhity Says:
And just for Ha Ha’s ,quote me were I have taken a side.
You cant, because I never have.
That is part of my arguement.
How many of you are just going with it to go with it?
This stimulis is bad for EVERYONE!!
You cant tell me everyone on this board thinks this is the right thing to do.
We CAN tell you, however, that you cannot spell or use the English language appropriately. And we CAN tell you that most of the posters on this site actually have something to SAY, rather than indulging in the “nyah, nyah” school of expression.
February 15th, 2009 at 12:33 amWhy would anyone with a conscience ever want to be a Republican’t politician knowing full well that they will not be able to vote their conscience without being threatened by their own party.
I really despise the Blue Dog Democrats sometimes but at least they have the freedom to vote in any way they want without threat of retaliation by their party. Being a Democrat is rather messy, but at least it’s honest.
February 15th, 2009 at 1:52 amWe here in Elecorate Land have protections against voter intimidation; doesn’t Congress have the same thing?
February 15th, 2009 at 7:43 amWelp, here goes. I think you’re one confused SOB. I think that for some strange reason you are blaming both Clinton and Obama and giving GWB a free pass. I think you’re a dum bass, I think you’re a fake and a fraud… I think you have nothing to offer to anyone, and you’re having one heck of a time digesting that.
I think you don’t have a clue, never had a clue, and I’m willing to bet you never will have one.
The times, they are a changin’, whity. You’re going to feel it… and it aint goin’ to feel good.
Later, son.
Once again, I hope you feel better hating on ME! That will get you far in this world.I will not resort to your brand of discussion.When you have no answer,you blindly throw out rude remarks towards the people who make you question yourself!
February 15th, 2009 at 10:58 amI myself,know I have a clue.I dont have to answer to you.
The thing that makes me uneasy is that it is people like you that are now in charge of fixing this huge problem.
Good luck
And by the way, I ain’t your son.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:00 amLearn to address people with respect.It is the first thing you should learn on your long road to recovery.
Yeah, that’s it wha whaa whity. You make me question myself.
*chortle*
Dig the name… good luck in your search for respect. Kllwhity.. whaa whaa wants respect.
February 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pmSomebody get poor Mr. Cao the Sopranos on dvd, so he can learn how his party operates.
You don’t go against “the family”, Mr. Cao.
February 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pmThat’s better than PEOPLE LIKE YOU – that CAUSED IT! See when people KNOW THINGS they can use SKILL and NOT LUCK like you do in the CASINO OF LIFE which you GO THROUGH IGNORANT and WITHOUT A CLUE!@
Ok,If thats how you want it!!
February 16th, 2009 at 11:20 amThat Casino of life S#$T is funny!! I bet you have a poster of Kennedy the Meth addict on your wall!What you have been spoonfed is you deadbeat druggy parents hippy ideals that make you think that everybody has a right to their share of the pie.You gimme,gimme welfare state , handout Liberals make me sick to my stomach!You justify it all by saying We won, We won!!! You won nothing!!!!!! When you are wondering where all your SS went and your kids cant get jobs and they are eating all your oxycontin that you keep for your so called bad migraines,remember this. People who work and pay their bills,their Med Insurance,car payments,college funds,TAXES,and all the other bills that associated with a responsible life,owe you nothing! Your Messiah president is not going to save you or the world as he has promised.Get your grubby little WIC check fingers out of my hard earned pie,and get yourself a job ya sheep!!!
I guess now I am starting to stoop to your level,so I will go now and feed my own children,which by the way ,do not have coat hanger marks on their necks!
He will just be one more puppet of the OLD MEN that have destroyed this country. If that is what he wants to be, so be it.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThat was a great rant, whity. Thanks for the entertainment.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:24 pmThis is news? A congressman voting along party lines? Our Democrat congressman has screwed our region time and time again voting the party line.
February 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pmNo problem alpuss,I like nothing better than brightening ones day!
February 16th, 2009 at 2:01 pmalpuss?
When i was around ten or so, the local bully got in my face and started calling me a pussy, or mixed the word “pussy” into my name in various ways. He went down w/out much of a fight. I still laugh about it to this day.
Are you that 10 year old bully, whity?
hmmmmmmmm… hard earned pie.
February 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pmI can think of at least 6 reasons why Representative Cao chose to vote against the bill.
February 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pmThanks for the link Selkirk. That was interesting. I think we all know that this bill is a mess. That’s why 55-60% of Americans (depending on the poll) opposed this thing. The idea that Cao is a sellout is childish. Both parties adhere to party lines ALL the time.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:25 amSelkirk, drew3rd, nice parroting of right wing talking points. Do you still get the headaches when you try to think for yourselves? And how many TRILLION dollars did Bernanke spray around followed by almost another TRILLION Paulson gave out for executive bonuses and parties? If Bush and company had not been asleep at the wheel (or continuing to carry out their plan to bankrupt the country to the benefit of their friends) this stimulus package would not be needed. You burn the house down then blame the firemen. How pathetic.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:17 amKllwhity Says: Learn to address people with respect.It is the first thing you should learn on your long road to recovery.
Well, at least you are remembering what they are telling you in therapy. Now all you have to do is internalize it. Keep trying, you can do it if you do.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:23 am