Fox News’ Fact-Checker Unable To ‘Separate Fact From Fiction,’ Imagines ‘Phantom Earmarks’
Fox News’ Fact-Checker Unable To ‘Separate Fact From Fiction,’ Imagines ‘Phantom Earmarks’
Yesterday, the conservative Washington Times published an article titled “Pelosi’s mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese” that claimed the House Speaker had stuck millions into the economic recovery package for the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse in San Francisco. The report, which originated from an e-mail to reporters by a spokesman for House Republican Leader John Boehner, quickly became part of the GOP’s talking points against the bill.
But the Washington Times report was wrong. “There is no language in the bill that says this money will go to this project,” admitted Boehner spokesman Michael Steel.
Though the claim has been thoroughly debunked, House Republicans continued to attack it on the House floor yesterday. After “a testy exchange” over the fabrication between Rep. David Obey (D-WI) and House Republicans on the House floor yesterday, Fox News’ William Lajeunesse attempted to “separate fact from fiction”:
LAJEUNESSE: Alexis, you won’t find it in the bill. That is true. However, it is there. Now, what I mean by this. This is what Republicans call a phantom earmark. It’s $50 million for ecosystem restoration, habitat restoration in the San Francisco Bay area, for Congresswoman Pelosi’s district, which is a priority project for that agency there. There is no question that this will be funded when this money is released to the EPA as well as to Fish and Wildlife.
Watch it:
In fact, there is a very real “question” about whether the project, which is on a list of “shovel-ready” projects recommended by the California Coastal Conservancy, will be funded. The Mercury News reported on Thursday that because projects like wetland restoration aren’t named in the biil, “there’s no guarantee” they will get money:
Even if the stimulus passes, there’s no guarantee the projects will get the money, since they’re not named in the bill. That will be up to the Army Corps of Engineers, which does everything from harbor dredging to building dams to restoring wetlands.
Abruptly transitioning to what he called “real pork projects” in the recovery plan, Lajeunesse brought up “the train from Disneyland to Las Vegas.” But, as Matt Yglesias points out, this provision isn’t in the bill either. “There’s no special plan for Las Vegas. The money will be spread all across the country,” writes Yglesias.
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. . . and what about those “conservative” Republicans REJECTING the tax cuts for 95% of working Americans?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:06 amAnd they call it that because they are the ones who perfected the art.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:11 amIn 2006, I was able to convince a lifelong Republican co-worker to not vote for Republicans by showing her that they lie all the time, that they are not honest with their supporters. I never told her to vote for the Demicrats, but that’s what she chose to do, and she told me she did it because of what I told her. (She voted for Obama, too, in 2008.)
Point out to your conservatives relatives, friends and co-workers that the party they support has been lying to them all the time. It’s fairly easy to prove, since the things they say are often in direct contradiction to the truth.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:14 amAlso hidden in the bill are Saddam’s WMDs and Karl Rove’s eight million missing e-mails.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:18 amConservatives seem so sure about what this bill would be spent on, you’d think they didn’t boycott the committee meetings because they wouldn’t get a 100% conservative bill.
Just because you want to see some horrible pork-laden bill , doesn’t mean it is there.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
February 14th, 2009 at 8:20 amSpeaking of fact checking, Dave Obey is a Democrat and has been since I first voted for him in 1972.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:24 amAnd the lying liars have not said a thing about the biggest pork-barrel spending in the history of the world – the war in Iraq.
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS totally unaccounted for – all going to the military-industrial complex (of which oil and now some of the mainstream media is part of).
Typical faux crap – just raving to create distractions while the repugs/neocons do some serious stealing.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:25 amThough the claim has been thoroughly debunked, House Republicans continued to attack it on the House floor yesterday.
As I said before, were it not for day-old intellectual bread, republicans would starve.
This message is aimed at the now-economically-pummeled Reagan Democrats. Supporting cultural pogroms and religious jihad when you’ve got a job is fun, but unemployment tends to refocus one’s energies, and sentiments. If the bubbas go back to work as a consequence of the stimulus bill, this lame political theater will be as dead as that crappy conservative comedy they rolled out, awhile back.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:31 amAlexis, you won’t find it in the bill. That is true. However, it is there. Now, what I mean by this. This is what Republicans call a phantom earmark.
Just because it isn’t there doesn’t mean it isn’t there. It’s a good thing my child doesn’t read such things or he wouldn’t believe that the monsters hiding under his bed aren’t there just because they aren’t there.
How do they keep a straight face?
PEACE
February 14th, 2009 at 8:32 amspencers mom says:
The operative part of selling the lie is believing the lie yourself. They believe their own lies.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:37 am“a phantom earmark…”
To identify the ones he’s defeated in battle.
Like Zorro.
This is Saturday morning, after all…
February 14th, 2009 at 8:39 amHoodathunk Says:
Speaking of fact checking, Dave Obey is a Democrat and has been since I first voted for him in 1972.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Good point, Hoodathunk. Is TP hiring people from Fox News now?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:39 amspencers mom says:
How do they keep a straight face?
A judicious mix of years of experience and botox.
Naw, Wayne, just a typo. Nice thing about TP is someone will set it straight soon enough.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:44 amI like the Disneyland-Vegas train one. I think its to distract everyone from the other phantom earmark the repugs put in…the luxury bus from the Capital to Chuck E Cheeses.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:47 amI know, Hoodathunk. I just like to needle them about these things. I’ve written to them and urged them to proofread their posts first, but there seems to be a typo (or a word left out) in just about every post.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:50 amMaybe they just want to make sure we read the posts. Either that or they get lonely.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:54 amAnd we’re trying to get them to read the comments. :)
February 14th, 2009 at 9:00 amwho woulda guessed, a fake “news” organization reporting fake “facts” from a political party which has been roundly rejected in the last two elections. the smell of desperation is getting strong.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:08 amYesterday’s stimulus bill voted proved once again that Republicans are cocksuckers, plain and simple. And not in a nice way, either.
And what’s more romantic on Valentine’s Day than a good ole fashioned Republican cocksucking?
February 14th, 2009 at 9:36 amWapo is also chewing on this stale biscuit. (From The Raw Story site):
[This story was written by Washington Post Staff Writers Dan Eggen and Ellen Nakashima.]
The compromise stimulus bill adopted by House and Senate negotiators this week is not free of spending that benefits specific communities, industries or groups, despite vows by President Obama that the legislation would be kept clear of pet projects, according to lawmakers, legislative aides and anti-tax groups.
The deal provides $8 billion for high-speed rail projects, for example, including money that could benefit a controversial proposal for a magnetic-levitation rail line between Disneyland, in California, and Las Vegas, a project favored by Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. The 311-mph train could make the trip from Sin City to Tomorrowland in less than two hours, according to backers.
[...]
Money for high-speed rail ballooned during the stimulus debate, from nothing in the House bill to $2 billion in the Senate version and finally $8 billion in the conference report, which was put together by Reid and other Democratic leaders.
Reid spokesman Jon Summers said in a statement that the transportation secretary “will have complete flexibility as to which program he uses to allocate the funds,” but he acknowledged that “the proposed Los Angeles-Las Vegas rail project would be eligible.” Summers said the rail funding “was a major priority for President Obama, and Sen. Reid as a conferee supported it.”
[...]
The writers were clever. The last bit lumps together a bunch of easily misunderstood stuff: “Reid spokesman Jon Summers said in a statement that the transportation secretary ‘will have complete flexibility as to which program he uses to allocate the funds,’ but he acknowledged that ‘the proposed Los Angeles-Las Vegas rail project would be eligible.’ Summers said the rail funding ‘was a major priority for President Obama, and Sen. Reid as a conferee supported it.’”
This doesn’t say that there was any plan to specifically fund this rail line, only that it was eligible to apply fpr funding.
Quoting Larry Summers, that rail funding “was a major priority for President Obama, and Sen. Reid as a conferee supported it, and placing it next to “Reid spokesman Jon Summers said in a statement that the transportation secretary ‘will have complete flexibility as to which program he uses to allocate the funds,’ but he acknowledged that ‘the proposed Los Angeles-Las Vegas rail project would be eligible,’” the writers attempt to conflate the two into a vague accusation that “the fix was in” on this specific rail line.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:48 amRepublicans are opposed to Protecting the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse….
Just like they would be Opposed to protecting the Canary in the Coal Mine.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:48 amIf Lou Dobbs says it’s a bacon bit, it must be in the bill. I think it’s next to the health care provision, the one that lets the feds say whether your grandmother gets to live.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:49 amThe fact that Fox Noise has a “fact checker” is one of the funniest things I’ve heard this week.
February 14th, 2009 at 9:50 amaaack!
Obey is a (D) !!! Obey is a (D) !!!
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February 14th, 2009 at 9:56 amGod we hate these hypocrite Repubi-Satanic fact fudgers!
READ MY LIPS DITTO NUTJOBS: WHY do you evil bastards insist on calling $800 MILLION to help Americans and American Kids as “Porkulus” because you don’t have enough intelligence to understand that American growth is Stimulating..!??
Do you NOT realize we still have All the VIDEOS of you SAME SICKOs approving “WAR Spending” Bills in the $100s and $100s of Billions of Dollars for NOTHING TO DO WITH WAR..!??
Just One Example – You generation-stole Taxpayer dollars to fund your $80 BILLION Project for 120 Medical Centers in IRAQ
(Americans would love to have 120 Med Centers but Bush Vetoed even half that amount for a Medical Care Bill to American Kids)
for HALLIBURTON who then built ONLY 14 of them and said “Ran Out of Money – Done”..!???
Seriously, are you DITTOS pure Evil or simply STUPID..!??
February 14th, 2009 at 9:58 amJust sayin: Factual History proves that BUSH started his first business using his Trust fund ($500k free money) and his one business partner. Bin Laden’s BROTHER, Sewell, no kidding!
Yet – these same FOX Fact Fudgers n’ Pundits and RNC Talking Liars claimed that “Obama Pals around with Terrorists” simply because He only worked at a place where another Member had a prior but resolved Conviction 20 years earlier..??
Folks are actually not dumb enough anymore to believe these proven Liars who pumped $TRILLIONS to the wealthiest for 8 years claiming “They know how to handle (trickle down) money (you are too stupid) and will create (minimum wage, outsourced or none) jobs for the 21st century Americans (to increase profits)”
Well – anyone who looks around Today and has a shred of awarness can see that REPUBILLYS LIED NON-STOP for 8 YEARS!!
Shame on you FOX n’ Enemies, FOX Faux News, all paid by RNC money with generation-stolen taxpayer funds to “invent News”, “Spin” or “Outright LIE” on a daily basis to promote an agenda of Corruption and Criminals!
February 14th, 2009 at 10:18 amPhantom Earmarks from a Phantom GOP.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:20 amlying pos’s aside… the Harvest Mouse in off-the-table-Pelosi’s district WILL get funding from this. This is not a bad thing but doesn’t really belong in an ‘emergency stimulus bill’.
I worked in Army Corps legislation/lobbying and if it’s a priority project (especially as made by Obama Cabinet back-rub), in “San Francisco”..the entirety could very well go there.
btw, just two-party, uh, i mean one-party, governance as usual. Harness government to own ends. An example of this ‘monopoly’ is the continual acceptance of the term ‘bipartisan’..stating that there are only two parties.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:20 amMaybe Obama should read Washington’s farewell address to the nation :(
But really, imagine being a lying scumbag for 8 years and now trying to pretend to the people that you’re somehow honest and altruistic? It ain’t flyin with the american people.
If there’s ONE thing these criminals within have taught the american people, it’s that they cannot and will never again be trusted.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:22 amNow that the initial honeymoon “sparring” is over and Obama has established himself to be above the typical Washington fray, Obama can still solicit input and bipartisanship from the reichwingnuts – fact is: they’re totally irrelevant in the House and once Franken is seated, he’ll only need one defector from the twisted GOP in the Senate.
Walter Jones, in fact, just broke ranks with his criminal buddies – he’s signing on to Conyer’s commission to investigate the Bush Crime cabal.
Walter Jones may be the only defector the dems need in order to make the Repigs remain in the “time-out corner” for good.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:24 amI guess he’ll need 2 pigs to defect….I’m sure there’s at least one other who’s up for re-election…..just like Snow et al.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:25 amI have a sneaking suspicion that once these criminal investigations begin in both the House & Senate, very damaging evidence will begin to accrue against many of the existing GOPers in these two bodies.
There’s more than one way to skin a cat – complicity in Bush’s crime spree is only the beginning. Even the shadow of complicity will be making these Repubs squeal like pigs and jump to the other side.
We saw how rapidly Specter et al jumped because they know they will not be reelected in 2010. Lieberman is even being kept in line because of his very narrow win. He sees the writing on the wall and may lose his seat even if he does carry water for the dems.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:27 amThis Bill was labeled best by the President when called a Recovery Bill
You cannot really call it a Stimuls Bill, a Tax Bill, a Spending Bill because it is all of those.
The biggest point is that America needs desperately to RECOVER Fast in many ways directly from the Bush regime “attack and awe” carnage on the middle class and poor for 8 years that looted and devastated America to the core.
Again recall: Republi-Nuts forced $100s of Billions for “War Spending” that had zero to do with War! Get Real!!
So Dittos want to cause confusion on semantics over “naming” the bill and throw American under the bus by rejecting any Recovery and forcing another Depression..!??
Seriously, are Dittos pure evil or simply Stupid..!??
February 14th, 2009 at 10:31 amWayne A. Schneider Says: Point out to your conservatives relatives, friends and co-workers that the party they support has been lying to them all the time. It’s fairly easy to prove, since the things they say are often in direct contradiction to the truth.
I just posted this to my cousin’s Facebook page for his conservative friends – with whom I’ve been debating since my cousin because a fan of FOX ‘News’ (ugh).
I’m also planning on posting on my own a comment about Arlen Specters comments yesterday.
I think you’re right – being lied to is going to be the lynch pin for many of them.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:36 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
Point out to your conservatives relatives, friends and co-workers that the party they support has been lying to them all the time. It’s fairly easy to prove, since the things they say are often in direct contradiction to the truth.
What is sad is the fact that we have to do it at all. This is because the conservative corporate owned MSM allows these lies to stand. They will allow someone to spout the lie but when it is debunked they don’t go back and admit that it was a lie.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:41 amOld Goat Says:
spencers mom says:
How do they keep a straight face?
The operative part of selling the lie is believing the lie yourself. They believe their own lies.
And that makes them pathological liars. I good psychiatrist could have a field day diagnosing most Republicant’s.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:43 amrimhotep Says:
We saw how rapidly Specter et al jumped because they know they will not be reelected in 2010. Lieberman is even being kept in line because of his very narrow win. He sees the writing on the wall and may lose his seat even if he does carry water for the dems.
I think that it is a given that LIEberman will lose his seat. The last poll taken shows him 28 points behind a generic Democratic running mate. Connecticut is done with LIEberman.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:45 amrimhotep Says: We saw how rapidly Specter et al jumped because they know they will not be reelected in 2010. Lieberman is even being kept in line because of his very narrow win. He sees the writing on the wall and may lose his seat even if he does carry water for the dems.
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens once people start getting jobs out of this bill and it alleviates some of the pain peope are feeling.
In 2010, all the Dems have to do to get to 60 is advertize those people who have jobs thanks to their bill…
February 14th, 2009 at 10:45 amCheck this Washington Post ad from 1922. Scroll down through the coments till you reach the Washington Post advertisment:
February 14th, 2009 at 11:02 amshorpy.com/node/5438
My fault, click on the post that has this for it’s title:
February 14th, 2009 at 11:08 amA Slippery Slope,1922
Lying is integral to the Republican psyche.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:16 amWhat I find fascinating is that Republicans (and b’cup) were complaining yesterday about how they didn’t have enough time to read the bill before voting on it, yet they somehow read it closely enough to discern a “phantom earmark” that isn’t in the bill’s language.
How exactly does that happen?
February 14th, 2009 at 11:16 amFOX & fact checker just aren’t compatible.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:30 amBetter than some capitalist who’s priority is his bottom line. This is happening now and people are dying as a result.
Our health care system is broken.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:32 amalways remember folks, fox “news” has asserted in court (successfully, I might add), that they have the consitutional right to lie to people and call it news…
February 14th, 2009 at 11:58 amYo TP. You need to do a little fact-checking of your own. Congressman David Obey is from the Congressional district in northern Wisconsin where I was born and grew up. He is as much a DEMOCRAT as I am. Please don’t disgrace Congressman Obey further by keeing the R in the title after his name. Thank you.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:58 amAMERICA’S SABOTEURS
Republicans AREN’T making a sincere effort to stop the bleeding their incompetent leadership and failed policies created. Instead, they’re using conflicting economic theories as a smokescreen to conceal their real agenda, which is to undermine President Obama and cause him and America to fail.
Republicans are practicing SUBVERSIVE forms of demagoguery and guerrilla obstructionism that are intended to destabilize our economy for purposes of political exploitation.
Republicans are preposterously professing that their disgraceful political whoring had nothing to do with the banking, real estate, stock market and employment catastrophes that resulted.
Republicans are trying to hamstring Obama to prevent him from undoing the incompetent negligence of George W. Bush.
Republicans are offering up subjective controversial arguments they know no one can agree on in order to disrupt and deny progressive change. They’d rather divide America and create political gridlock than endure the political consequences of effective Democratic governance. That’s how they gained power and that’s how they’re trying to retain it.
Republicans are not the LOYAL OPPOSITION. They are the ENEMY WITHIN whose political priorities have eroded their moral and ethical standards to the point that treachery and betrayal are their preferred methods of operation.
It’s one thing to vigorously advocate their conservative beliefs; it’s another thing entirely for them to willfully sabotage America’s government because a successful Democratic president would not be vulnerable to the fears and hatreds that have produced and sustained the radical Republican corporatism and extremism that have poisoned and divided America.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pmpablopicasso1 Says:
btw, just two-party, uh, i mean one-party, governance as usual. Harness government to own ends. An example of this ‘monopoly’ is the continual acceptance of the term ‘bipartisan’..stating that there are only two parties.
Maybe Obama should read Washington’s farewell address to the nation :(
So, moron, what did you think of the one-party rule for the last 8 years that pretty much ruined this country?
February 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pmTalk about a critical judgment in terms of their business model…
February 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pmWhat DOES properly belong in an ‘emergency stimulus bill”? Won’t a wetlands restoration project create jobs of some sort?
That’s the purpose of an “emergency stimulus bill”.
Not really sure why you decided to put “San Francisco” in quotations. Seems a little odd, like maybe you’d prefer to spit out the name with derision, or with bitter sarcasm. It certainly doesn’t serve any grammatical purpose as far as I can see.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Point out to your conservatives relatives, friends and co-workers that the party they support has been lying to them all the time. It’s fairly easy to prove, since the things they say are often in direct contradiction to the truth.
You’ve given me hope–THANK YOU! So far, I’ve persuaded exactly ONE “conservative relative, friend, and co-worker” to open her eyes, and I’ve been working on it for 8 years. Since I was living with her between homes, I was Janey-on-the-spot to POINT OUT the new lies as they were promulgated. She ended up voting for Obama.
I shall now roll up my metaphorical sleeves and try AGAIN–you’ve demonstrated that it CAN be done.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pmOld Goat Says:
spencers mom says:
How do they keep a straight face?
The operative part of selling the lie is believing the lie yourself. They believe their own lies.
Many of them undoubtedly DO believe their own lies. But I’ll wager that many MORE of them cannot yet face the magnitude of the abominations perpetrated right here at home, as well as on the international stage. Classic denial. They haven’t yet gotten to that 12-step starting point of ADMITTING that things are out of their control.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:28 pmpoliticscorner Says:
The fact that Fox Noise has a “fact checker” is one of the funniest things I’ve heard this week.
It’s a typo: should have read “fart” checker–the one who keeps score of “pull my finger” jokes.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pmA rhetorician’s analysis:
Perhaps the rethugs say “porkulous” as an attempt to be polite?
In slang, “pork” can mean “f**k.” Therefore, “pork u” means “f**k you,” a credo to which loyal repugs heartily subscribe.
And the “lous” means “laugh’s on the United States.”
Put it together and what have you got? It’s sure as HELL not “bibbidi-bobbidi-boo.”
February 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pm“Fox News’ William Lajeunesse”
Does he know that his last name basically translates to “the youngster”?
February 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pmgunner Says:
Seriously, are you DITTOS pure Evil or simply STUPID..!??
Now, now, gunner; let’s not follow rethug example by creating a false dilemma: “pure evil” and “simply stupid” are NOT mutually exclusive. . . nor are they the only two categories for neocons. You’ve omitted these possibilities: insane, blind, delusional, sociopathic, megalomaniacal, bigoted, retarded, cowardly, homicidal, avaricious, pathological. . .
February 14th, 2009 at 12:47 pmFace it, any money spent in the home distrct of pelosi
will automatically be labled pork.
When did wetland restoration become a bad thing ?
Where the hell were these faux watchdogs when republicans were
February 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pmfunding bridges to nowhere ?
osage Says:
It’s one thing to vigorously advocate their conservative beliefs; it’s another thing entirely for them to willfully sabotage America’s government because a successful Democratic president would not be vulnerable to the fears and hatreds that have produced and sustained the radical Republican corporatism and extremism that have poisoned and divided America.
As tidy and fair-minded a summation of the present situation as I have read in many days. Kudos.
February 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pmWhen did wetland restoration become a bad thing ?
Mathazar, wetland restoration became a ‘bad thing’ many years ago when people/businesses wanted to fill in wetlands in order to build. (”…pave paradise, put up a parking lot…”)Rs always put people/business ahead of the environment. When Planning Boards started demanding Environmental Impact Statements, and required builders to mitigate environmental damage their proposals would cause, THEN wetland restoration and other environmental issues became a ‘bad thing.’
February 14th, 2009 at 1:04 pmJane, spot on, except for one… well, not a correction, more a refinement.
You said, “Rs always put people/business ahead of the environment. “
Absolutely correct, as far as that goes. But I think it might be useful to take it a step further and note that R’s put business ahead of people, when those entities are in conflict.
Perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned it, but I hate to pass up an opportunity to make that point. My apologies.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pmRalph, you’re correct, as usual. My comment was based on my experiences working for a local civil engineer, having to help prepare the plans and EIS paperwork for individual landowners as well as on subdivisions for larger business entities, so I included both.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pm“…Boehner spokesman Michael Steel”
Um, is that Micheal Steele, the RNC Chair? He’s now “Boehner spokesman”?
February 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pmGeez… why are you guys so hard on the GOOPers?
They NEED their imaginary fights and victories…
Seeing as they have NO real accomplishments to brag about… and every time they take on a real issue, they get their Cheneys beaten for ‘em like li’l tin drums…
I ’spect one ‘o these days, some proud GOOPer someplace will have his pitcher taken w/ the real, fire-breathin’ dragon he just slayed, ala St George…
February 14th, 2009 at 1:28 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Jane, spot on, except for one… well, not a correction, more a refinement.
You said, “Rs always put people/business ahead of the environment. “
Absolutely correct, as far as that goes. But I think it might be useful to take it a step further and note that R’s put business ahead of people, when those entities are in conflict.
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Please allow me to take this thought one more step ahead, ralph…
R’s put THEIR PERSONAL business ahead of everything else imaginable…
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Perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned it, but I hate to pass up an opportunity to make that point. My apologies.
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And I hate to pass up an opportunity to rub salt in an open wound… heh…
And I AIN’T apologizin’, PERIOD.
HEY… GOOPers… Yeah… YOU… ***BITE ME***!!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pmHow would any of this money go to Pelosi’s 8th district?
What I think is missing is that there are no wetlands or marshes, to speak, of in the city of San Francisco, Pelosi’s 8th district or the other one, the 12th. They started filling in the bay, at the city of San Francisco, around the gold rush days. Most of this money would go to repair the damage done by salt mining companies.
The range map for this mouse shows no areas in the city of San Francisco, so Pelosi’s 8th district should not receive any money from from this bill to help protect this mouse.
From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Marsh_Harvest_Mouse
This organism is known to be found in the following specific locales (among others):
* Sonoma Creek discharge area known as the Napa Sonoma Marsh – (Approx. 27 miles away, across the Golden Gate Bridge)
* Sausalito baylands – (Approx. 11 miles away, across the Golden Gate Bridge)
* San Rafael baylands – (Approx. 15 miles away, across the Golden Gate Bridge)
* San Francisco Bay sloughs in Alviso – (Approx. 28 miles away, by San Jose)
Range map at:
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/19401/rangemap
linked at:
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/19401
There are small populations at Point Richmond (10 miles away) and Oakland (across the bay).
This is just more BS and lies from Repugnants who don’t know what they are talking about and couldn’t even find San Francisco on a map, if they can read one.
Repugnants have no credibility. Why do we even listen?
February 14th, 2009 at 2:23 pmI’ve been able to check in occasionally this week, so I don’t know if this has been said, but the chicken-sh!t repugs are praising parts of the stimulus bill, particularly where it benefits their state, they are happy it passed — and the only reason they voted not was because they feared political repercussions.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:28 pmIf this stimulus package begins to turn around this economy, they will have more to fear than political repercussions — I hope they lose their seats (and their asses along with them).
I think they’re afraid of even looking at a map of San Francisco, for fear of catching Teh Gay.
February 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pmThis is the Washington Times. The Rev. Moon owns this paper. And that should say it all. This idiot that claims to be the re-incarnation of Jesus. The right wing nuts will listen to anything no matter from what source, it doesn’t even have to make sense. And Moons opinions never do.
February 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pmWho watches faux news besides the wingnuts!
February 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pmThe Republican Party and Fox News are both phantoms.
February 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pmI get a kick out of a liberal – oh I mean “progressive” – blog that while trying to convince everyone that Fox News isn’t worthy of watching because it’s in the tank for republicans, still uses them to substantiate their point – a point that still misses the mark.
By the very fact that this “Project” is mentioned in the bill should tell you that that federal money WILL be allocated to the state of CA in any number of ways. How? Well, because you liberals blindly trust bureaucrats thousands of miles away from your home districts to act in your interest, let me help with the details. The “Projects” are broadly termed and un-named so that the local politicians and “deal makers” within the state can allocate the funds among those that THAY want to allocate it too not what YOU want to allocate too. So this whole notion that “there’s no guarantee”… bull shit…there is a guarantee that the money will be there…just not for the intended project i.e. “shovel-ready” projects recommended by the California Coastal Conservancy Ya see…that’s what MSNBC and Pelosi don’t tell you. By the way, what does all this have to do with employing people and jump starting the economy? ZERO!! How many unemployed accountants, clerks, financers, bar-keeps, business owners etc are going to pick up a freak’en shovel? Certainly not any of you reading this now!!
So in conclusion, you people in California better get is straight and fast! Your ideology has bankrupted your state and all of us in the Midwest WILL NOT BAIL YOU OUT!!! Many of my friends who own businesses and employ people are moving, or are planning to move out and on to UT, TX or AZ.
February 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pmnothing, despite using lots of words to do it.
Quite an impressive achievement, really.
February 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pmHo…and one more thing. If everyone was so confident that the bill wasn’t a sham, why not let the opposing party, or the press for that matter, review the bill before they send it on? Maybe the accusation wouldn’t have been waged in the first place. Didn’t our lord, savior and most merciful Pres Obama tell us that we citizens would have 5 days to review all legislation before he signed any thing?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pmSo maybe you can answer this… if the Republicans didn’t have enough time to review the bill before the vote, how were they able to discern that there was this “phantom earmark” in it?
Just lucky they opened it on the right page?
February 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pmWell…if you would have read the above blog posting that started this dialog in the first place as well as the article that it references, you might have known that no one in the republican party know about it until they were told about it!!!! And I quote “Lawmakers and administration officials divulged Wednesday that the $789 billion economic stimulus bill being finalized behind closed doors in Congress includes $30 million for wetlands restoration that the Obama administration intends to spend in the San Francisco Bay Area to protect, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse”.
This is going to be you and your party’s follower’s problem now. You don’t have anybody else to blame for your mishaps!! Your parties won the election and now you have to govern. That’s the difference. That’s why your partie will not have the majority in 24 months guaranteed!!!
February 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pmAnd who do you suppose told them about it? All your quote says is that “Lawmakers and administration officials divulged”. That doesn’t really make your point very well.
Apparently someone had time to read the bill pretty thoroughly. And it was someone who was eager to frame a minor provision in the most unflattering light possible, even if he had to make up shit to do it.
February 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pmWOW…despite my effort of trying to get you to read an article written by a reporter who’s job it is the validate all that he/she has been told (never mind that that person could have a long working relationship with those who they report on and would know if their being feed a line of crap) you still want to try to blame this on a freak’en republican. This is what I love about talking to liberals. The political philosophy is no longer or deeper than you average bumper sticker. It’s nothing but dogma. No matter how well you prove or document something, Lib’s won’t believe it just because it doesn’t come from the church of the later-day Democratic Party. As far as “one minor point” no no…this is just one of more that 20 costing 10 Billion dollars – a list that I have from the first go-a round.
Dude…..Start READING! Thank for your self!!
February 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pmDude…..Start READING! Thank(sic) for your self!!
Careful, that will get you thrown out of the right wing sites.
February 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pmAgain…8th grade bumper sticker
February 14th, 2009 at 11:05 pmAgain? If you can, please explain your thought process.
February 14th, 2009 at 11:23 pmIf you read postings 71 to 80, it’s very clear.
February 15th, 2009 at 11:47 amYou people kill me Says:
If you read postings 71 to 80, it’s very clear.
First of all, I never killed anyone.
I looked back at the postings in comments 71-80, and I can find no link to any article that I could go to. And you did not cite your source for that section you quoted. How can I read it for myself (and make my own judgments) when I don’t know the source? (Apologies if you posted a link earlier than comment #71; I did not go back to the beginning.)
February 15th, 2009 at 12:27 pmFreedom isn’t Free, You people…
Hehee…
February 15th, 2009 at 1:06 pmWell Wayne…If you would have actually read posting 76 you would have been directed to the article on the first freak’en line on the blog!! (“Pelosi’s mouse slated for $30M slice of cheese”) You do read things before you respond right?
February 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pmAnd this is different from Joe McCarthy holding up a piece of paper and claiming it was a list of communists -how?
February 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pmIf you can’t find facts to support your conclusion, make ‘em up.
SOP GOP.
Cal…what the hell are to talking about?
February 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pmAnother Righty blind to irony.
R’s input on the Stim is tantamount to the baby telling his parents how to handle his sh*tty diaper.
You’re one smug mofo Mr. Kill, but your arguments are as tedious as jenga at the beach.
February 15th, 2009 at 6:40 pmgee – who runs CA?
…and you have the gall to lecture anyone in here?
precious.
bless your lil’ ol’ heart.
February 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pmLook, tombaker.
First of all, I didn’t make an argument. I just commented on what was reported above (this is the THIRD time I’ve had to point that out to all those participating in the dialogue). So I guess that makes your jenga and beach reference more childish than witty.
Second of all, as far as Arnold the “Govinator”. YOU CAN HAVE HIM. I don’t want to be too hard on the guy because truth is that he (willingly) walked into a complete hell whole and is trying to straighten it out!! That state hasn’t seen fiscal and social responsibility since Reagan was Gov 28 years ago. Never before since the civil war has a state had to issue IOU’s in place of tax returns to its citizens! And if you think the rest of us in other states are going to bail your asses out…think again!!
As far as the “spendulous” bill. It will not work and you will pay the price for it come 2010 and 2012. I will guarantee it.
February 15th, 2009 at 8:23 pmIt will not work and you will pay the price for it come 2010 and 2012. I will guarantee it.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:00 pm—
Money where mouth is?
You people are stupid 71
Morons like YOU kill me. Fox isnt news at all its propaganda. That is clear. Only brainwashed fools like you cant see that. California has 10% of the nations population and the sixth largest economy in the WORLD all on its own. YEah it OUGHT to get stimulus money it is the engine that will help bring us out of this economic crisis. Brainwashed morons like you cant think that far because brainwashed morons like you cant THINK. Only regurgitate the idiocy you were TOLD to believe by the screechmonkeys that do your thinking for you. Isnt it time for Rush to tell you what you think today? You DO know you are an idiot dont you?
February 16th, 2009 at 1:37 am