Ifill Responds To Juan Williams: People Should ‘Make A Better Effort To Know What They’re Talking About’
Ifill Responds To Juan Williams: People Should ‘Make A Better Effort To Know What They’re Talking About’
Yesterday, PBS Senior Correspondent Gwen Ifill was at the Center for American Progress for an event on her new book, The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama. Afterward, she sat down with ThinkProgress, and we asked her about her thoughts on NPR analyst Juan Williams’s recent comments comparing Michelle Obama to Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress.
Ifill politely declined to comment on these specific comments, but made clear that she often disagrees with him. She also said that reporters who are supposed to just “gather the news” need to be careful about slipping into punditry:
IFILL: Well, there are a couple of different questions there. Since Juan was one of the people who criticized my book before it was published, I really — I just leave it at that. I think that people really should make a better effort to know what they’re talking about.
But in general, the whole idea of this line between commentary and straight journalism, is a fuzzy one, and it gets fuzzier every day, in part because of the growth of new technology. But I also think it can be a fairly bright line if we bother to draw it. It is really easy to tell the difference. … But the viewer doesn’t often see the distinction; they think everyone is doing this.
As Ifill noted, Williams went on Fox News last fall and criticized the fact that she was going to host a presidential debate while writing this book, picking up on a right-wing smear campaign. He said that Ifill “spent a lot of time with Obama, she praises him in the book, and so therefore it seems as if she’s invested — and the book’s success — invested in Obama’s victory.” (Ifill’s book had not yet been written.)
Watch ThinkProgress’s interview with Ifill:
Ifill also addressed Washington Post style writer Robin Givhan’s recent column, which said that many journalists and pundits are intent on canonizing Michelle Obama, and anyone who attacks her faces an unfair amount of “vitriol.” “I think we’re four weeks into this presidency, and anybody who assumes that any kind of coverage is too much this or too much that, really ought to take a deep breath and let it unfold,” said Ifill. She added that this sort of coverage is part of a honeymoon period, which will be over “as soon as the sun rises and falls.”
Transcript:
IFILL: Well, there are a couple of different questions there. Since Juan was one of the people who criticized my book before it was published, I really — I just leave it at that. I think that people really should make a better effort to know what they’re talking about.
But in general, the whole idea of this line between commentary and straight journalism, is a fuzzy one, and it gets fuzzier every day, in part because of the growth of new technology. But I also think it can be a fairly bright line if we bother to draw it. It is really easy to tell the difference.
On Washington Week, I have reporters on who are straight reporters who gather the news. It’s pretty easy to tell the difference between that and someone who says, “Well, this is what I think about what happened.” Those people are fine. Punditry is great. But the viewer doesn’t often see the distinction; they think everyone is doing this.
So I try — I work really hard every single day to kind of keep the distinction alive and not to lapse into expressing my opinions or my thoughts, just my reported analysis. [...]
I think we’re four weeks into this presidency, and anybody who assumes that any kind of coverage is too much this or too much that, really ought to take a deep breath and let it unfold. It’s too soon to say that people have canonized Barack or Michelle Obama. They will certainly — as soon as the sun rises and falls — the honeymoon will end. That’s what honeymoons do. And someone will start to raise questions.
I just don’t think that people generally go after first ladies. I just think that traditionally, first ladies are on some sort of elevated pedestal. But the point that she was making, that I saw — the ferocity of the pushback when you say anything that’s interpreted as negative, can sometimes be outsized. And that’s part of the honeymoon period. People are in love with their candidate, and I think both the Obamas wouldn’t mind coming down off that pedestal a peg or two.
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February 18th, 2009 at 3:29 pmThank you, Ms. Ifill, for being a voice of calm and reason.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pmIfill Responds To Juan Williams and Mr. Sucks: People Should ‘Make A Better Effort To Know What They’re Talking About”
February 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pmUm, did I miss something. I don’t see anything in the text that says anything about race.
Oh, are you assuming that just because Ifill, Williams and Obama are black, its a race issue?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pm“Ifill Responds To Juan Williams: People Should ‘Make A Better Effort To Know What They’re Talking About’”
True, true, Ms. Ifill. Juan Williams has been and is still an idiot who should get the Foot-In-The-Mouth award. And for Williams to criticize Ifill’s new book before it was published tells you a lot about the token journalist of Fox News: Don’t judge a book by its cover. Read the book first. But, that Fox News journalists’ mentality: Any book that is not GOP koolaid published or unpublished, just simply criticize and distort information.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pmThe people that insist that outlets such as NPR are “totally biased” alarm me because they have been completely broken by the sloppy pundit-try that is conflated with journalism. People don’t know how to listen to neutral facts without accusing them of being biased simply because the reports don’t echo something a tabloid tried to drum up as news. For instance, I’ve heard from people who claim that NPR is biased because they didn’t report on Obama’s “fake” birth certificate. Those people are intellectually broken and will have no way of understanding or absorbing actual journalism.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pmOlby’s focus on race is interesting really… it tells a lot about him. He brings it up when no one else does.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:32 pmNo, raynman, someone just farted and left the room giggling.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pmWhy is it that when a certain group of people see a news item focused on a public figure, if that public figure happens to be African American, they immediately think the news item is about race?
Could it be that this certain group of people are incapable of seeing those of other races as people, and instead see them first and foremost as representatives of their race?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pmA FRESH BOLD….. Says:
Drudge get boring?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pmCare to respond to my question on the lower thread now?
poor little trolby. pissypants ain’t got nothin’
February 18th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWilliams criticized Iffel more for her books behavior than te book itself. she obviously didn’t like it, not that I blame her, but she needs to be careful not to become bitter. she has always been very classy and I’d hate to see her get involved in a loser like this.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pmLittle boys, one fart might be considered cute. Keep it up and someone will make you sit in your stench.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pmgwen brings up an interesting point. when a “news” organization (faux) makes ever effort to blur the line between reporting news and commentary, it makes it easier for them to sell the myth of the “liberal media”. if everyone isn’t reporting news like “faux” then they’re biased.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:40 pmA FRESH BOLD….. Says:
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Palin walked all over Gwen Ifill, so what is she babbling about?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Yeah
Just like she “aced” her interviews with Katie Couric and Charles Gibson ………..
February 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmMac! Now that is good stuff. Rude but poignant.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmdrewturd,
February 18th, 2009 at 3:42 pmhow can he criticize something he had not even read at the time? this ought to be good.
yes, trolby. i was giving you your daily affirmation.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pmyou’re still a pathetic little assclown angrily throwing your own feces in an effort to get attention.
an unpublished, unwritten book has behavior? Heck, even the ones I have around here all act the same….sit on the shelf until I open them.
drew, I hear the fryer beeping.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pmtrolby,
February 18th, 2009 at 3:44 pmdo i watch faux commentary? no, i tend to get my news from the bbc which has strict governing laws from presenting “spin”
And how many books has Juan written?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pmBozo, self descriptive I see. Yes, Mr. williams had not read her book. He was disappointed in her promoting her book before Obama one. He was also critical of her moderating the presidential debate while obviously lacking neutrality. Now, I beleive every reasonable person felt that Gwen was very professional and perhaps the best moderator. Williams just thought it was in poor taste. Hence, “Williams criticized Iffel more for her book’s behavior than the book itself”.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Mac! Now that is good stuff. Rude but poignant.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I see you still haven’t owned up to lying on the other thread ; cease and desist with claiming I , or anyone for that matter , is “rude”………
BTW
Bible Spice Palin was rude and looked absolutely ridiculous and stupid during her debate with Biden.
She is an uncomprehending and useless piece of (unattractive) eye/arm candy ……….
February 18th, 2009 at 3:46 pmOlby Sucks Says:
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Bozo The clown, do you watch Fox News (#1)?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Everyone watches it……….
For comedy relief and as a remedy for constipation
February 18th, 2009 at 3:47 pmactually, no trolby. you asked if i watch fox news. that station doesn’t exist since they don’t adhere to any journalistic standards.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:47 pmremember mark foley (d)
how about the 06 rousting of the repukes from congress? that’s right, a missing dead chick in aruba was headlines at faux.
“Please think before you poat”.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pmawwww, isn’t it cute, trolby and drewturd are defending juan williams.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pmtell me how that works out for you fools.
Mac, don’t deny watching Faux news later, okay?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pmdrew3rd says: “Now, I beleive every reasonable person felt that Gwen was very professional and perhaps the best moderator. Williams just thought it was in poor taste.”
The difference between a professional journalist and a pundit hack.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pmWhy does everyone HATE Juan Williams. He’s a decent guy. Gwen is great. Can’t we love both of them?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmYeah, I’m thinking more and more that A FESH BOLD is a parody troll, the devious creation of a creative liberal who, after carefully studying the habits, the conventions, the rhythms of trolls, has introduced this satire to the TP community.
Note the lack of self-respect. The lack of self-awareness, even. The stated willingness to “debate the issues” followed by a refusal to actually do so.
It’s actually a little over-the-top, but these days, that only makes it more lifelike.
Kudos to you, anonymous progressive behind this character!
Mr. Sucks, on the other hand… well he seems a genuine troll. Sincerely determined to fill his time with the internet equivalent of prank calling.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmthere’s no “back pedal” trolby. i get my news from places that actually report the news.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmI can’t remember which thread it was on, but to whoever came up with the idea to donate $1 to the DNC for every dumb troll post:
I hate you. (not really)
I’m maxing my ACLU contribution to $50 per week. (10 dumb troll posts per workday). The economy is a lil rough. =D
I think this week’s will be donated on behalf of Mr. Olby Dreward.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Bozo, self descriptive I see. Yes, Mr. williams had not read her book. He was disappointed in her promoting her book before Obama one. He was also critical of her moderating the presidential debate while obviously lacking neutrality. Now, I beleive every reasonable person felt that Gwen was very professional and perhaps the best moderator. Williams just thought it was in poor taste. Hence, “Williams criticized Iffel more for her book’s behavior than the book itself”.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Ahhh , yes ; “TASTE” …….Something found in overwhelming abundance at FAUX Comedy Channel ………….
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmHi A FRESH BOLD,
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pmMaybe you can help solve this. Who has a dumber hat Drudge or Imus? Thanks for your input
Hey, don’t throw me in with Bold.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pmpoor trolby and drewturd.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pmtrying to defned faux commentary channel is like pissing into the wind.
Maybe we can set the level at a nickel. Its about what their comments are worth and will still generate lots of revenue.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Mac, don’t deny watching Faux news later, okay?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
After every heavy meal ………….And I “let out” what I think of it.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:53 pmdrew, the problem with being a criminal, troll or idiot, is the company you have to keep.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:53 pmWTF does this even mean?
Was her book out seducing Congressional pages?
Hooking up with gay prostitutes during meth binges?
How exactly was her book behaving?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Why does everyone HATE Juan Williams. He’s a decent guy. Gwen is great. Can’t we love both of them?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Hey chowderhead
How the fu(k do you know ?
Do you have dinner with him ?
Socialize with him ?
Or is he , like Cornhole , a “good family man who has America’s best interests at heart” ?
By being a biased , paid pundit ?
You’re hopeless ……….
February 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pmthank you, trolby, for proving my point in posting #19 in your posting #50.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pmonce again, you got owned.
Interesting you brought up ratings, Mr. Sucks. I notice you didn’t include any of your own commentary in that post.
Could you explain what you intended it to mean?
One might surmise that you believe it demonstrates the superiority of Mr. O’Reilly’s message in a free market.
Is that a reasonable assumption?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pmtrolby, care to provide a link from #52?
thanks
by the ways, faux is doing so great, this is what their parent company newscorp is trading at today http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=NWS
February 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pmyou can own a piece of faux commentary for less than the price of a mcdonald’s meal.
I’m guessing you probably heard it going by as it screamed overhead.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pmonly in neoclown land would the BBC be a “biased news source” you jokers are too damn funny.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:59 pmHow exactly was her book behaving?
Glossy dust cover, seductively half-off the spine, with a racy “come hither” look, to it’s open pages.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:59 pmOlby Sucks Says:
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8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor—3,462,000 viewers (642,000) (1,246,000)
Campbell Brown—1,109,000 viewers (308,000) (514,000)
Countdown w/Keith Olbermann –1,306,000 viewers (381,000) (635,000)
CNBC Reports—197,000 viewers (81,000) (108,000)
Nancy Grace –1,128,000 viewers (383,000) (540,000)
February 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Don’t know where you got the above bullshit stats , suckhole , but they are fraudulent.
The AVERAGE AGE of Dildo O’Lielly’s viewers is SEVENTY …….
Real informed demographic he’s got there……..
February 18th, 2009 at 3:59 pmRalph, you really can’t make the transition? Her book was being premarketed during the campaign and debate period. She was THE moderator for the third debate. Williams was critical of this and it obviously struck a nerve with her. The behavior of the books marketing offended Williams. So now what? Lynch him? Come on people. He can find it inappropriate. She showed everyone by handling herself with poise and professionalism.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:00 pmactually trolby, yes i did. here’s the link. it’s trading at over 40% more per share than newscorp http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=GE
February 18th, 2009 at 4:00 pmshal i continue schooling you?
Ralph, its a known fact that books hang out in smoky coffee houses, discussing authors while sipping non-free trade lattes with their pages open. And in sleazy bars with their bare ideas hanging out.
Don’t you just love books?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:02 pmOh my, now all the welfare check recipients are up and around. Please don’t try to understand the dynamic between Juan Williams and Gwen Iffil.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:02 pmtrolby, you going to provide a link to those old ass statistics you provided or is it safe to assume you’re full of sheeyat pawning off four year old numbers?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:03 pmThe behavior of the books marketing offended Williams.
How? Be specific.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:03 pmpoor little impotent drewturd. he assumes because everyone doesn’t have to work three sh*itty part time jobs like he does they’re on welfare.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:04 pm“rubber necking” at a car accident = 100%
people below 100 IQ = 50%
people who eventually die = 100%
adults who use to be children = 100%
There is about as much useful information in my statistics as those of OlbySucks. Well, OK, maybe more.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pmBozo, MSNBC is a mess. Don’t try and make something out of nothing. Faux news is generating good interest. They are only one outlet and don’t possess any of the numbers the big three do.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Oh my, now all the welfare check recipients are up and around. Please don’t try to understand the dynamic between Juan Williams and Gwen Iffil.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
How the fu(k do welfare checks have any corellation with the dynamic between Ifill and Williams ?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmPlease don’t try to understand the dynamic between Juan Williams and Gwen Iffil.
We welfare recipients understand your condescenion, just fine, Preppie Man. And you take on the book is weak, considering Williams had no idea what Ifill would be writing.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmdrewturd
February 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmapparently the shareholders at newscorp don’t share your enthusiam.
trolby,
February 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmthanks for admitting you got nothing.
Actually, I’m kicking it at home today. This is why I’m self employed. If I want to sit around in my underwear and trade ideas with TPers, well that’s what I’ll do.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmthe dynamic between Juan Williams and Gwen Iffil
A professional journalist capable of writing a pretty decent book and a loud mouthed pundit who can barely fill out a deposit slip. That dynamic?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pmThere’s that passive aggressive behavior again. Drew3rd, would you take a break from masturbating all over the threads.
It really has grown tiresome, sport.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:07 pmWell, drew, the thing that confused me was your blaming Williams’ criticism on “her book’s behavior”.
That phrase makes no sense to me.
But now that you explain it, you seem to mean her publisher’s behavior.
Unfortunately that doesn’t square with what Williams actually said. He said, “spent a lot of time with Obama, she praises him in the book” and he decided this without having read the book.
It’s crap like this that cause us to dislike Juan Williams.
He also pointed out that there was an appearance of her investment in one candidate rather than the other. Yet I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that Williams didn’t make a peep when Bob Schieffer was chosen to moderate a debate between Bush and Kerry, even though Shieffer’s brother was business partner of Bush and had been named to an ambassodorship.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:07 pm“This is why I’m self employed.”
February 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pmif i had a nickel for everytime i heard that from an unemployed neoclown like drewturd i’d be rich. self-employed/unemployed they always get those two mixed up.
Please don’t try to understand the dynamic between Juan Williams and Gwen Iffil.
Well perhaps you could explain it to us… ’cause it seems she’s saying that we should draw a line between Reporting Events and Commenting on Them…
and it seems I hear people on Fox News also say this a lot… of course, I mostly hear them say it on commentary shows like The O’Reilly Factor so the message is a bit muddy but I think it’s a good one…
shouldn’t Juan Williams draw a line between his ‘reporting’ and his ‘commentary’?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:09 pmRalph, that’s fair. I don’t agree with Williams on this. He was a little sensitive and I thought she handled it great. My point was that she needs to let it go and not worry about Williams. I like both of them. I’m not interested in a cat fight between them.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:09 pmaccording to whom, trolby? once again, spewing “facts” outta your arse ain’t cutting it. what’s the matter lil feller, can’t find a link?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:09 pmMr. Sucks, could you please address my question re: the statistics you posted?
Assuming they are accurate (not a given, by any means) what did you intend to demonstrate with them?
Was it something about the free market for ideas?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:10 pmwow, trolby. even given your numbers, 15% of 12 dollars is 12 whole CENTS over the last three trading sessions. you sure showed me.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:10 pmOlby Sucks Says:
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“but they are fraudulent.”
by mac
No proof? Shocker!
February 18th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
May suck to be “Olby” ; but it positively blows to be you , doesn’t it , shithead ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/arts/television/11keit.html?ex=1310270400&en=4ccc4d43ec65612e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
February 18th, 2009 at 4:11 pmClassy reply, Gwen.
(cha-ching, special boy – I’m still counting, and you’re still raising funds – today I’m giving to MoveOn – hope you like them)
February 18th, 2009 at 4:11 pmThe best thing to do with Olby is ignore him. The thread can go on without responding to him. It’s a loser anyway.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pmsucks to be Billo’s intern, that’s for damned sure.
Hey, dummy – did Billo show you his loofah yet??
Is it weird lookin’?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pmdrew – your dubious provenance doesn’t allow for “insider” comments. it will be quite a while before your probationary period runs out.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pmSounds like that’s pretty much what she’s done. She was responding to a question from an interviewer, and her response was simple:
Juan was one of the people who criticized my book before it was published, I really — I just leave it at that.
Doesn’t sound to me like she’s stuck on it.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pmBut that CPAC sure sounds like a hoot to attend – who does a guy have to blow to get invited to that festival of drying paint? Will Lee Greenwood be performing?
(cha-ching, dummy)
February 18th, 2009 at 4:15 pmdrew3rd whines: I’m not interested in a cat fight between them.
You should be. Gwen Ifill (as you have noted) is a professional and when her integrity is challenged by someone like Williams, she (and every reputable journalist) is not ‘cat fighting’ when they riposte. Its way past time for the serious journalists to start beotch slapping the loud mouthed clowns who give their profession a bad name.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:15 pmYou have to understand — drew recognizes that Mr. Sucks makes his side look really foolish.
I’d want to people to ignore him, too, if I were a righty.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThat’s Mr. Suck to you! Show some goddam respect, drew!
stay classy…
February 18th, 2009 at 4:15 pmdrew3rd Says:
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The best thing to do with Olby is ignore him. The thread can go on without responding to him. It’s a loser anyway.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
WOW !!!!!!!!! Thanks for letting us in on who we should and shouldn’t respond to and for letting us all know what the thread is like , “Dad” ……
You’re a laughably arrogant little shit , aren’t ya’ ?
Why ? You were caught lying earler , and still have yet to apologize and leave , after you suggested as such ….
February 18th, 2009 at 4:16 pmOlby Sucks Says:
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mac, you’re kidding, right? You’re citing a left wing hack as a “source?”
February 18th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
SUCK
You have never posted your “source” ; why is that ?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:17 pmdrew3rd Says:
The best thing to do with Olby is ignore him. The thread can go on without responding to him. It’s a loser anyway.
Careful, little buddy.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:18 pmNettles, how many books have you written?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pmHoodathunk Says:
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Nettles, how many books have you written?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
He’s helping Chimpy with his autobiography ………..They have almost a complete sentence already , after a decade of work.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:21 pmA FRESH BOLD….. Says:
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tombaker Says:
sucks to be Billo’s intern, that’s for damned sure.
Hey, dummy – did Billo show you his loofah yet??
Is it weird lookin’?
Don’t bring Andrea into this conversation, like I said, she is never to be mentioned again….and BTW, she loved my loofah for her poofah.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
She loved the millions you had to pay her a lot more , chump …..
February 18th, 2009 at 4:22 pmTroll Central, recompile FreshBold.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:24 pmdrew3rd Says:
Bozo, self descriptive I see. Yes, Mr. williams had not read her book. He was disappointed in her promoting her book before Obama one.
It’s funny, but the only “promotion” (and didn’t you use the mythical word “pre-promotion”?) about the book came from the Right Wing punditry. If it hadn’t been for all their noise, no one would even have known about her book. And if you read what Williams actually said, you’d realize you have it completely backward. He said her book would have more value if Obama won, and thereby questioned her objectivity.
There is no such thing as “pre-promotion”.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:35 pmClowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
WTF?
Time spent with Trolls can never be reclaimed…
February 18th, 2009 at 4:41 pmIf I may: as I understand it, Ms. Ifill was planning to write about the campaign as part of the section dealing with Obama. That part, at least, could not have been written yet because the campaign had not yet played out.
I’m not certain about that, but I recall hearing her say that during the campaign.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:42 pmThere is no such thing as “pre-promotion”.
Sure there is. For instance: I’m thinking of writing a book. You should buy it. There, I just pre-promoted my book. Now, as soon as I actually start writing it, then it becomes promotion. Now I just need to work on getting someone to pre-proof read it for me!
February 18th, 2009 at 4:52 pmSince you have never written a book (and I suspect reading one is low on your list of accomplishments) you have no valid say in the process.
Misdirection only reinforces the idea.
February 18th, 2009 at 5:36 pmJuan Williams seems to be getting weaker and weaker. His commentary is becoming too predictable. He is siding with the GOPers more and more. He seem to be headed for the same fate as Barnes, Kondrake, Hume, Kristol, Krauthamer and others. He is making a pretty uncomfortable bed for himself, he better be certain that this is what he wants.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:03 pmJuan Williams is a second rate intellect and a second rate writer. He likes to stir up controversy. His only claim to fame is being a one horse pony. Like Ann Coulter.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:09 pmolby always quits…
i guess that’s why
they can’t win an election.
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“poat”
lol!
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February 18th, 2009 at 8:16 pmWhere does it say in the rules and regulations that only progressive people can post on this website?
February 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pmHow can we come to any understanding of our fellow citizens without open debate?
Why do must I continue to defend anyone’s right to free speech on this website?
I am more upset by name calling and the term “troll” than by what those on the right have to say.
If you disagree with a post, argue the points. Stop the juvenile name calling and get on with the discussion.
VinnieTheSnake Says:
Hey Vinnie. Who made YOU the boss? Did someone tell you we NEEDED a pious schoolmarm here? I tell you what YOU post the way you want and we will do the same. Get over yourself moron. You dont get to MAKE the rules. I guess I will decide how I post and if you dont like it feel free to BITE ME. Also what makes you think free speech is somehow curtailed by criticism? Do you think only original statements are covered by free speech and not criticism of those statements you are an idiot who doesnt even understand the CONCEPT of free speech. Feel free to spout off like a pompous bufoon. The sun will never dawn on the day you tell me what to do.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:22 pmYou must be new here. You’re confusing ‘progressive’ with tolerant and open-minded. Not alot of that going on here, unless you think in the proper “enlightened” manner.
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