George McGovern To Be Honored At CPAC For ‘Courage Under Fire’
George McGovern To Be Honored At CPAC For ‘Courage Under Fire’
In August 2008, former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern published an op-ed on the conservative editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal attacking the Employee Free Choice Act. “I must raise my voice against pending legislation I see as a disturbing and undemocratic overreach not in the interest of either management or labor,” wrote McGovern.
This past October, McGovern appeared in an anti-Employee Free Choice ad for the Employee Freedom Action Committee, an industry-funded advocacy organization run by “Dr. Evil” Richard Berman. Watch it:
Since McGovern came out against the bill, conservatives have used his opposition as a cudgel against supporters of unions. “Even liberal Democrat and ardent labor supporter George McGovern” opposes the bill, wrote the Washington Times in a January 2009 editorial.
Now, presumably because of his anti-union apostasy, McGovern is being honored by the right-wing establishment. At the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) next week, McGovern will be awarded the “Charlton Heston Courage Under Fire Award“:
Though McGovern is scheduled to be honored on February 26, a CPAC official tells ThinkProgress that the asterisk next to McGovern’s name means that he has “been invited, but not confirmed.”
Write to Sen. McGovern, and let him know whether you think he should accept an award from the right-wing group. Click here to send him an email.
"When I talked to him two or three weeks ago, he very much wanted to come," said David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union, which organizes the conference. [...] Keene said McGovern would hopefully attend next year's conference, when he would receive the award. The conference will still let attendees know that had McGovern been able to attend, they would have given the award.
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George is a SELLOUT…why do these old coots hate the American Workers?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pmEveryone see where it says Entertainment …..?
Wrenn Mangum ?????? Gay porno star ?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pmThis may be heresy on this board but George McGovern was always in the category of “liberals I secretly wish were conservative.” It would be kind of funny if he showed up. Not sure who would be more surprised.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pmWrenn Magnam is an Elvis Impersonator. Sorta fits since Republicans are human impersonators.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pmShould that read Master of Delusions: Michelle Bachmann (MN)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pmSenility is on the march…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pmeh. who cares.
there’s a horribly crass “joke” on a murdoch paper.
congratulations, rupert – you’ve won another DISTRACTION WAR.
the brunt of that obvious show of racial contempt, the POTUS, is today trying to fix the mess made by the bushco brand that murdoch sold…
but the message will get lost…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:51 pmor maybe enough people will be pissed off enough after all.
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Actually, I think his critique has merit. I’m also a HUGE fan of unions, but anonymous balloting is a pretty important thing.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pmthe “Charlton Heston Courage Under Fire Award“:
(snicker)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pmIncidentally, Charleton Heston is burning in Hell right now, for all the children blown away by guns.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pmjeez… on this topic (sorry), what a let down…
mcgovern… bummer. … way too bad… what’s that about?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pmIt’s sort of fitting that he speak at a right wing event. Wasn’t McGovern the last Presidential candidate buried under a landslide, just like the right wing’s choice?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:05 pmCharelton Heston Courage Award….he was a Friggen actor…what courage did he show….stunt man, where is the stunt man…Mr.Heston you go and sit while the stunt man does the brave scenes…..That’s real courage….WHAT A FARCE!!!LOL.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pmwow – looks like your average funeral would be more fun than this event the Righties are puttin’ on. Bet their trophy wives hate being dragged to those things. (lots of hot cloakroom action for the busboys though)
February 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pmFor all of you union lovers, riddle me this? Should American businesses imitate the Detroit automakers business model or that of Mcdonald’s? In the spirit of full disclosure, I am raising a shibboleth to seperate the frothing looniy lefties from reasonable Democrats.
McGovern is championing an ideal I support BTW.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pmUh, no McGovern was not the last Democratic candidate buried under a landslide — those honors go to Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis.
McGovern was on Diane Riehm explaining his concerns with the Act and his criticisms had some merit.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pmAmerica is currently a center-left leaning country. What conservatives fail to understand ( again ) is that liberals and independents THINK. We take in all sides and make informed choices. Unlike conservatives who “march to one tune unquestionably”. Empty symbolism works with robotic minds, not independent ones!
February 18th, 2009 at 1:11 pmGeez, in ‘72, it was a choice of ‘4 more years’ of Tricky Dick or George McGovern. It was a no-brainer, I voted for McGovern hands down.
Somehow, this does not seem right.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pmSenility is on the march with me too, but I am not so far gone as to remember that George is a class guy, and a good mind. He has been a source of pride to my home state, South Dakota, even though its a really whacked up bunch of redneck wannabes for the most part.
As for courage, his bravery under fire in WW II says it all. Stephan Ambrose profiled him in his excellent book “Wild Blue Yonder”. I knew someone who flew in the same squadron.
I am not here to support this or that idea he may have, be my guest, but please respect this man.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pmNolies, you do know that being a conservative in Hollywood is an offense that could get you blacklisted? Not much diversity of thought in Tinseltown. It sure won’t get you many friends or gigs. He was the first to stand up to the peat moss underwear, no armpit shaving, Streisand wannabees back in the day. I daresay you do not face the hostility he took on. It was a brave thing to do. Many of his “friends” alienated him. We may not share his politics but he definitely went against the grain. When stating at the Oscar’s that you want to stop global warming is considered medal of honor stuff, trust me, telling those folks they are crazy is brave.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pmbrew3rd says;
Methinks you have been imbibing way too much.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pmYou and Lush on a drinking binge?
20 – Sure dude, that’s why Bruce Willis and Ah-nuld are bazillionaires – because they got blacklisted in hollywood.
crazy keen insight you got there.
must be the foil hat.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pmKrystal, you deep THINKER you, how ’bout taking a shot at answering my question @ 15. Maybe you’d prefer the intellectual’s retreat of , “I won’t dignify it with a comment”.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pmNo Uncle Ho, they’ve been shroomin’ in Lou Dobbs’ sauna with bill kristol and chuck krauthammer.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pmDoes the Employee Free Choice Act take away so-called secret ballot elections?
No. If one-third of workers want to have an NLRB [National Labor Relations Board] election at their workplace, they can still ask the federal government to hold an election. The Employee Free Choice Act simply gives them another option—majority sign-up.
Go to the link for other Q & A. The secret ballot issue is a strawman.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pmI agree, Uncle Ho. Part of the reason we keep getting saddled with neoclowns is the Dims (being the herd of cats they are) always have a hard time fielding a proper candidate.
Every so often, one manages to stand out.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pmWell, I went back and read the OpEd piece, and find little reason to disagree with Sen McGovern. As a liberal, I support secret ballots. Card check is too open to coercion and peer pressure.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pmArnold and Bruce are conservative? Hmmm, married a Kennedy, loves raising taxes and social spending, no doesn’t cut it. Bruce , well, open relationship with wife, loves taxes and socila spending, no, got nothing there either. Sounds like social and fiscal liberal to me. Try again Tom.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pmhmmmm, Courage Under Fire Award. May I suggest someone like, oh, Christine Todd Whitman ?
No ? didn’t think so.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pmYou could throw out James Woods. What was the last movie he did?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:23 pmGet with the program people! drew3rd is in charge of defining “conservative,” not the people who actually claim the label. Don’t make drew cry, he’s ugly enough already.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm“You crazy libs just don’t understand that wage slavery is the foundation of our christian way of life”
-Yammering Righty Handjob
February 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pmAnswer for post 15, Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pmAs disappointed as I am that McGovern apparently fell for a wingnut strawman, I still have faith that he won’t fall for being a wingnut poster boy. I doubt seriously he’ll show up.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pmOops, I meant to blockquote that whole thing at #25. It’s a direct quote from that link. My bad.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pmno Drew – you try again. and again and again.
because for your every post, $ are moving to the DNC.
Nancy loves ya, special fella.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pmNOLIESPLEASE Says:
Charelton Heston Courage Award……what courage did he show..
Unfortunatley, his fealty to the NRA overshadows the fact he did come out and support civil rights, marching with MLK, at a time when it was probably not a wise way to win fans.
Although I’m sure the GOP wingnuts (want to) forget that and this “award” has nothing to do with civil rights so…
never mind. Heston is now “Soylent Dirt” for the worms.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pmStill no answer for 15? I don’t know where this thread went? We were discussing the merits of McGovern’s concerns over union peer pressure and thuggery, strawmen to be sure, and now we are trashing Charlton Heston? Just goes to show, the truly great live on in the minds of the little people.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pmThe secret ballot option is a good one. And necessary since management has a long history of hiring thugs and using intimidation as a means of preventing workers from protecting themselves.
It says a lot when the boss can hire thugs to keep from spending money on wages for the folks who actually produce.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pmDrewche
Here’s a stupid answer for your stupid question @15.
You wanna work for $8/hr or $28/hr (and don’t punk out – there are 2 choices for you there)
February 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pmTom, you are always telling us how smart you are. You have nothing for 15? I’m surprised! I have been constantly told how stupid I am yet a giant such as yourself has no definitive distinction between the UAW and Mcdonald’s? Things that make you say, Hmmmmm.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThose who are not able to use their brains efficiently enough to make effective arguments, usually resort to hostility.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThat makes me smile !
drew3rd Says:
February 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Your idiocy at #15 is off topic crap, and now you piss and moan about not getting enough attention.
Go start your own blog.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pmdrew3rd, the Constitution guarantees a right to free speech.
It doesn’t say anyone has to listen.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm“Get your stinking award off me you damned dirty GOOPers!”
February 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pmAnyone else catch the comedic irony of Republicants having an award for courage? If the Cons are giving the award maybe they should at least change the name to “The Harry Whittington Shot In the Face By a Republican and Said Thank You May I Have Another Award”?
drew3rd Says:
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For all of you union lovers, riddle me this? Should American businesses imitate the Detroit automakers business model or that of Mcdonald’s? In the spirit of full disclosure, I am raising a shibboleth to seperate the frothing looniy lefties from reasonable Democrats.
McGovern is championing an ideal I support BTW.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
What in the world would lead you to the conclusion that you are in any way qualified to be the ultimate arbiter here to label anyone/everyone as you see fit , moron ?
You’re a friggin’ clown ……….
February 18th, 2009 at 1:35 pmI want to work for neither. I want to make as much money as possible. The question was, which business model should companies embrace? The Detroit automakers or Mcdonald’s? Try not to “punk out” as you think in terms of healthy economic activity and financial viability as a corporation. The answer is really quite simple. If you utilize the Detroit automakers model, you will need the American public to pay you to make cars that they can then buy from you. If you follow the Mcdonald;s model, America doesn’t have to pay you a dime, you’ll earn money, create jobs and everyone gets the best darn fries in the world. How great is that?
McGovern is afraid of abuses by unions. That seems reasonable to me. After all, there have been a few cases of union corruption.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Tom, you are always telling us how smart you are. You have nothing for 15? I’m surprised! I have been constantly told how stupid I am yet a giant such as yourself has no definitive distinction between the UAW and Mcdonald’s? Things that make you say, Hmmmmm.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Hey dipwad
Do you believe that assembling a Big Mac is the same as putting together a friggin’ Denali ?
Or that working a fryer is equivalent to welding a frame ?
You’re retarded……….
February 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pmAs far as everyone else, pansies, at least TomBaker tried!
February 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pmActually McMetal, no they are not. You have to actually put together the Big Mac. You install BigMac’s in cars. Stuff’s already made. See this cat named Eli Whitney made it so anyone could do a craftsman’s job by creating assembly lines, oh, never mind.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pmDetroit automakers:
1) Manufacture vehicles used in a vast number of industries as well as providing transportation for millions of people so they can work various jobs.
2) Have a viable working relationship with their employees providing a safe and productive environment.
3) Provide equitable compensation for employees so they can actually buy the product manufactured and use it to improve their quality of life.
4) Work with a vast network of suppliers who also (for the most part) partake in the management/worker ethos so said suppliers and employees can also buy and utilize products.
McDonalds:
February 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pm1) Provides a product that is consumed in minutes and flushed within 24 hours.
2) Provides minimal benefits and wages utilizing the idea that anyone can be trained to flip burgers.
3) Has a wage scale that has senior employees barely above minimum wage after 10 years of service.
4) Is a service business, producing nothing of lasting value.
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Actually McMetal, no they are not. You have to actually put together the Big Mac. You install BigMac’s in cars. Stuff’s already made. See this cat named Eli Whitney made it so anyone could do a craftsman’s job by creating assembly lines, oh, never mind.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
So , putting pickles on a burger is the same to you as making sure spot welds are placed correct , regardless of who or what does the actual job itself ?
I am right ; you are retarded ……..
February 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pmEli Whitney? To hit at your level, he was the one who figured out how to make gin from cotton. /snark
February 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pmAnd cost taxpayers 12 billion dollars a year plus the purchase price of their vehicles. Now let’s talk about Toyota and the U.S. ooperations that actually manufacture automobiles for a profit, employ Americans and provide the best vehicles in the world. I guess you could say they are in the Mcdonalds business cycle.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pmHoodathunk Says:
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Eli Whitney? To hit at your level, he was the one who figured out how to make gin from cotton. /snark
February 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
The Delusional Wonder doesn’t know it was HENRY FORD who invented the production assembly line that is still used today ………….
February 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pmHood, he invented the station assembly form we use to this day to generate rifle quotas. You already knew that as everyone here is so smart. Bottom line, assembly line jobs are low-skill labor. Why is Detroit paying $100 an hour for a job that is done better in Texas for $28.00 per hour? Maybe we should make them stop, change or forget about 12 billion a year in subsidies. Makes sense to me.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm“McGovern is afraid of abuses by unions. That seems reasonable to me. After all, there have been a few cases of union corruption.”
But NO cases of Corporate or Government corruption, right?
you slay me – how does someone so dull muster so much condescension? must come from listening to hannitard too much.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pmdrew3rd Says:
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And cost taxpayers 12 billion dollars a year plus the purchase price of their vehicles. Now let’s talk about Toyota and the U.S. ooperations that actually manufacture automobiles for a profit, employ Americans and provide the best vehicles in the world. I guess you could say they are in the Mcdonalds business cycle.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Toyota posts massive loss and expects more to come
By Martin Fackler Published: February 6, 2009
TOKYO: Less than two months after forecasting its first ever full-year operating loss, Toyota Motor said Friday that it anticipates that loss to be three times as much as originally expected as global auto sales continue to plunge.
Toyota said it now expected to lose ¥450 billion, or $4.93 billion, in the fiscal year ended March 31 in its vehicle-making operations. The new forecast underscored the deteriorating situation at Toyota, which until recently seemed unstoppable as it dethroned General Motors last year as the world’s biggest producer of vehicles.
You were saying …………………?????????????????
February 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pmNice strawman Drewche. Get that one from the Hannitard too?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:51 pmp.s. drew – you’ve earned the D’s about $150 so far today. How much do you want to give them.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pmGovernment and corporate corruption are as damaging as union corruption. No corruption is okay. The problem is that corporate corruption is invariably discovered and the principles punished. Government and unions never lose their authority. Look at all of these repugs who have piled on this crisis. Is the Shrub going to jail, no, and he never will. The same is true of union chiefs. They destroy these companies and then you and I get to pay their tab. I’m sick of all of them. Time to tell Gucci loafer union rep the party is over. If he can get it done on union dues, God bless them, but no more taxpayer money for an industry that is worth $28.00 an hour. BTW, the market decided that, it’s not some arbitrary number.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:55 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Hood, he invented the station assembly form we use to this day to generate rifle quotas. You already knew that as everyone here is so smart. Bottom line, assembly line jobs are low-skill labor. Why is Detroit paying $100 an hour for a job that is done better in Texas for $28.00 per hour? Maybe we should make them stop, change or forget about 12 billion a year in subsidies. Makes sense to me.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
There is NO ONE in Detroit working on an auto assembly line who makes $100 PER HOUR ; I have been a certified mechanic my whole adult life , and the only people who make that type of money are the designers and management , you ignoramus …….
February 18th, 2009 at 1:55 pmTomBaker, you don’t have any money. It is a proven fact that even if you did, loony lefties never give to anything.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pmI want to make as much money as possible.
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Why?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pmToyota hasn’t cost the taxpayers a dime.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pmIt seems drew wants to make lots of money for doing little to nothing and producing the same.
With a little luck and some hard work we can tell him that bus has left the station. But he is welcome to wait at Mickey D’s for the next one. Enjoy your fries.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pmTo those anti-EFCA reades out there I have one question for you.
If you can decertify and remove a union by signing a card and getting 50% + 1 with no election process, why shouldn’t you be able to join a union by signing a card and getting 50% + 1 and still have an election if a third of the workers want to have one?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm@64 – sure if you say so – that’s why Obama raised all that money, huh?
I’ve got plenty, and every check I write is going to have a memo that it was donated by you to Nancy.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Government and corporate corruption are as damaging as union corruption. No corruption is okay. The problem is that corporate corruption is invariably discovered and the principles punished. Government and unions never lose their authority. Look at all of these repugs who have piled on this crisis. Is the Shrub going to jail, no, and he never will. The same is true of union chiefs. They destroy these companies and then you and I get to pay their tab. I’m sick of all of them. Time to tell Gucci loafer union rep the party is over. If he can get it done on union dues, God bless them, but no more taxpayer money for an industry that is worth $28.00 an hour. BTW, the market decided that, it’s not some arbitrary number.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Union auto assembly line workers DO NOT design products/vehicles that the public now doesn’t want to lease/buy; and they most certainly DO NOT RECEIVE UNDERSERVED RIDICULOUS BONUSES when the company is already losing money……….
February 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pmcha-ching – Nancy thanks you Mr. Drewche.
keep’em comin’, special guy.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmdrew3rd says: The problem is that corporate corruption is invariably discovered and the principles punished.
Been reading the Narnia books again?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Toyota hasn’t cost the taxpayers a dime.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
And how much has Toyota contributed to US tax coffers as opposed to GM the past 7 decades , twit ?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmMcMetal, I don’t know where you really work, but it ain’t GM, Ford or Chrysler. It has been reported ad nauseum what the uinion package is for line workers in Detroit. Almost $100 per hour. Now they only get to keep probably $45 of it after taxes, dues, benefits, etc. As far as making lots odf money, because I want to. Retirement, kid’s colleges, help out friends, whatever. If you don’t want to make a lot of money, fine, I do. I am so glad that I can afford to send my oldest daughter to Harvard. She is very bright, motivated and hardworking. She wants to go to Annapolis. That would be free, but if she doesn’t get in, and she has to choose her second choice, Penn, I’ve got it covered. That’s why I worked hard, smart and saved.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pmdrew3rd Says:
Toyota hasn’t cost the taxpayers a dime.
You mean all the Toyota plants in the US receive no tax breaks from anyone for where they located?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pmThey still pay tons of taxes.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:03 pmTom are you confused about you affections?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:04 pmtell us another story uncle drew, we’re not sleepy yet.
At the end of the day I am just as happy as can be that the new administration has you so bent out of shape you belong in a Rold Gold sack.
Enjoy your consternation? – YES I CAN!!!
February 18th, 2009 at 2:05 pmHood, you swerved into another reason Detroit has been in a one state recession for 7 years. The taxes are retarded. A buddy of mine has an agency up there and he told me that he has lost half of his commercial clients to Indiana and Ohio due to all of the costs of doing business in Michigan, specifically, Detroit. The automakers could move to friendlier business states and start making money and good vehicles again. Instead, they want us to pay their freight.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:07 pmdrew3rd Says:
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McMetal, I don’t know where you really work, but it ain’t GM, Ford or Chrysler. It has been reported ad nauseum what the uinion package is for line workers in Detroit. Almost $100 per hour. Now they only get to keep probably $45 of it after taxes, dues, benefits, etc. As far as making lots odf money, because I want to. Retirement, kid’s colleges, help out friends, whatever. If you don’t want to make a lot of money, fine, I do. I am so glad that I can afford to send my oldest daughter to Harvard. She is very bright, motivated and hardworking. She wants to go to Annapolis. That would be free, but if she doesn’t get in, and she has to choose her second choice, Penn, I’ve got it covered. That’s why I worked hard, smart and saved.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Post these “reports” , like I did in regards to Toyota , or admit you simply pulled that $100/hour figure from your stupid ass.
BTW
What line of work are you in , that you believe you’re credible enough to make an (asinine) unsubstantiated statement about who and what I am or where I’ve worked ?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pmTom, you’re funny. I like you! Listen guys, I really appreciate the debate. You are very passionate and I appreciate you fighting for your point of view.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Hood, you swerved into another reason Detroit has been in a one state recession for 7 years. The taxes are retarded. A buddy of mine has an agency up there and he told me that he has lost half of his commercial clients to Indiana and Ohio due to all of the costs of doing business in Michigan, specifically, Detroit. The automakers could move to friendlier business states and start making money and good vehicles again. Instead, they want us to pay their freight.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
And the assembly line workers are to blame for that , too ?
UPPER MANAGEMENT is the IMMEDIATE PROBLEM in all 3 of the US auto makers ; worry about that 1st , and then try to claim nonsense about the workers ………
February 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pmAnd drew3rd, why do you think the Japanese automakers glommed onto the idea of plants in the US? Could it be they could get out from under the weight of legacy costs they have in Japan, just like our automakers have here?
Check out how much any of the Japanese automakers are paying for supporting retired workers from their plants in Japan. Wanna bet its similar to our own automakers?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pmTom, you’re funny. I like you! Listen guys, I really appreciate the debate. You are very passionate and I appreciate you fighting for your point of view
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:15 pmDamn. I minute ago you were talking about “our people” now it seems to be you people. What is going on with you?
**yawn**
Another troll who claims to have all sorts of money — which is the proclaimed goal of all trolls — and is still a hateful piss-soaked whiner.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:16 pmSo you actually believe that asswembly line workers receive about $180,000 in total compensation a year…
That is some powerful blindness you’ve got there.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:16 pmdbadass Says:
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We had our people calling Shrub a chimp, making comparisons to a chimp and basically superimposing him into a chimp. We also had our people making films about killing the Shrub.
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Since when are we the same people? Whatever that is suppose to mean. Why not define what you are and what people you feel consitute “our people”
Thanks
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pmActually Hood, I was wrong, each worker, including legacy costs, means $100 an hour. Their actual union wage is $73.21 per hour. That’s from the UAW site. Regardless, Detroit has to pay $100 per hour, per worker to do business. I don’t want to pay for that. Sorry, call me greedy. I don’t want my kids on the hook for this mess and I think it’s time Americans stand up and say stop being so wasteful, Washington. We aren’t goinng to pay for cars and then pay to buy them. Spend that 12 billion on new markets technology. That is just GM. Think of all of the waste in government. Shrub didn’t do us any favors and it seemed like Obama was going to change all of that. He spoke of accountability, change and hope. I thought he meant change from drunken sailors to responsible adults. Not change from drunken sailors to meth addicts.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pmDbad, I’m a Truman/Kennedy Democrat. I include myself in the Democrat party by affiliation. It doesn’t mean I have anything in common with tree sitters and peat moss underwear models. That’s what I mean by we. Why can’t anyone here be honest with themselves. Our side has said and done some outrageous things. Then we get our panties in a bunch over a stupid cartoon? Come on, let’s grow up, Dbad!
February 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pmMaybe we ought to send a couple of big fellas from the local over to McGovern’s house. Maybe he needs a little convincing that card check won’t lead to unions intimidating workers into signing up. If we scare the crap out of him, maybe he’ll realize that the right to a secret ballot is protected in EFCA.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pmdrew3rd Says:
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Dbad, I’m a Truman/Kennedy Democrat. I include myself in the Democrat party by affiliation. It doesn’t mean I have anything in common with tree sitters and peat moss underwear models. That’s what I mean by we. Why can’t anyone here be honest with themselves. Our side has said and done some outrageous things. Then we get our panties in a bunch over a stupid cartoon? Come on, let’s grow up, Dbad!
February 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
“Our side” doesn’t believe in expressing strength through viciousness ; nor does it condemn others under the same political ideological tent for being shall we say , a little “different” , unlike yourself.
I’d sure as shit rather relate to and stand side-by-side with a “tree sitter” and a “peat moss underwear model” than an abortion clinic bomber or some religious yahoo that screams like a brainless banshee about the “evils” of abortion and gay marriage.
It’s time you stop trying to go back to the US of the 50’s and early ’60’s , which included witch hunts and racism that was pretty extreme………….
February 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pmvailbeach Says:
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Maybe we ought to send a couple of big fellas from the local over to McGovern’s house. Maybe he needs a little convincing that card check won’t lead to unions intimidating workers into signing up. If we scare the crap out of him, maybe he’ll realize that the right to a secret ballot is protected in EFCA.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Maybe you should cease and desist in being an imbecile , 1st ….
February 18th, 2009 at 2:36 pmI want links drew3rd. I want these links for where you’re getting your information. All I see is a lot of hot air and talking points/misinformation the conservatives have been giving the whole time against unions.
I believe there is corruption in the unions, as in our government, but you are simplistic to boil down your question to Detroit vs. McDonald’s as your grand model. Factors like poor management in the form of stubborness (peddline SUVs far longer than any wanted them), a healthcare nightmare of costs, have all played into Detroit’s demise. Your simplicity just shows your ignorance. Go play in the market.
I want links. And lots of them for all of your numbers. Your arrogance is astounding, and you should put your money where your mouth is.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pmWhat I am getting from your points, drew3rd, is that if you had a job offer from GM and one from McDonalds, you would go with McDonalds because they have a better business idea.
And you wonder why folks think you are a troll?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:19 pmThe Employee Free Choice Act, is simply a law that would allow employees to have a union IF THEY WANT ONE. It does not force a union. It does not compel anyone to join a union. It just allows a public or private vote as to whether the majority of employees want one. It keeps the employer from firing or putting pressure of any kind to stop the employees from discussing or voting on it.
The propaganda put out by the Republicans regarding this act is pure garbage. As anti-union as the GOP is, and being a party owned and owed by corporations, they want this act not to come to a vote.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:28 pmToo late drew3, selective memory won’t get you out of this rut. Your kids are already on the hook.
If you would like to relieve them of their future burden, send in a series of checks: $1 trillion dollars for unaccounted spending and equipment at the Pentagon, trillions of dollars in irresponsible tax cuts leading to over $1 trillion dollars in deficits under G.W. Bush, veterans care (including pensions) for the next 50+ years for those coming home from your former leader’s stay-the-course strategy of aimlessly patrolling roads almost certainly containing roadside bombs.
Your party can and will continue to arrogantly dismiss all criticism that you have failed to be any kind of steward with the public’s dollars. We will continue to shove it down your throat: the past eight years belongs to you and your ilk.
So keep applying your little sudden mantra of fiscal responsibility as increased social spending that pays for itself gets underway. The increased social spending only partially makes up for all that has been lost under your hands-off ideology; it wouldn’t be needed if not for your massively wasteful spending.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmObviously I’m surprised at McGovern, but not deterred. The collective voices in favor of EFCA and the steady decline in union influence linked to stagnant wages is all the information I need. If we want to get the standard of living up with the times for all Americans, union power must be reestablished.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pmMaybe I’m late to this thread, drew, but you can come on here and be anything you want. Rich, kids going to Harvard, fancy cars, yadda yadda. You’re not the first troll to come here and give us the run down of your (non-)assets. Everybody has their share of assets; that carries no sway here. What counts is the strength of your argument, and you’ve proven that you’re just another dime-a-dozen self-absorbed troll with a channel lock on Fake News.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pmDrew 88:
Um, I don’t think so. Why do you find it necessary to so obviously lie to make a point?
http://www.uaw.org/auto/11_25_08auto2.cfm
Debunking the myth of the $70-per-hour autoworker
by Johnathan Cohn
Or, you can try this:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1234921/average_uaw_pay_28_not_70.html
HTH
February 18th, 2009 at 8:20 pmDrew 15:
Oh, I get it now you’re a parody of rightwingers. Very good.
I thought you were just a standard wingnut.
February 18th, 2009 at 8:24 pmObama might be honored for “courage under fire” if he starts acting like a black person.
Obama is a disgrace to black people.
Is Obama going to financially reward black Katrina victims for having been racially discriminated against by Bush?
Where is the money?
I don’t think Obama would have any problem, hypothetically, with slavery happening all over again.
Maybe one remembers that Kanye West said, “Bush doesn’t care about black people.”
We have uncovered something far more horrifying.
It is practically like Obama “doesn’t care about black people.” (And Obama is black.)
There are all sorts of personalities.
There actually are screwed up black people who secretly don’t like their own kind.
There may even be black lunatics or freaks who would fancy themselves prancing around wearing a KKK outfit or uniform with the swastika on it.
Maybe Obama even fantasizes about hanging black people by nooses.
I like black people.
Black people are cool!
Black people are great.
But now, white people don’t have to worry about Obama interfering with racial discrimination inflicted by white people against racial minorities while Obama is president of the United States.
It is practically just as bad as if the white supremacist at heart, George W. Bush, is still running the country.
For example, Bush murdered a black woman—Margie Schoedinger.
“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). Retrieved November 29, 2008, from http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).
Obama should have the guts to assemble workers from the FBI and/or one or more state attorney general offices and say something similar to the following:
“I, Obama, am the most powerful person in America now. Bush is no longer the president and thus no longer the most powerful person in America. I, Obama, am in control now. I, Obama, demand that the ultimate law-enforcement workers in this country investigate Bush and then proceed to have him locked away for life or executed for murdering the black woman—Margie Schoedinger. I, Obama, am black, and I find Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger to be personally offensive. I, Obama, feel it is once again like the time of slavery when white people killed black people with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court to stop it from happening or prosecute it. I, Obama, am not going to go around in the modern-day democracy feeling like a black slave of white people—especially while I am the president of the United States. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for murdering a black woman. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for racially discriminating against black people pursuant to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to supply financial rewards to the black people who were harmed by Bush’s racial discrimination and who are still alive. I, Obama, am taken aback by Bush having been so evil in wrongfully causing the deaths of so many black people pursuant to his racist response relative to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to take advantage of my time as a racial-minority president and not allow “Bush’s KKK-Neo-Nazi mentality” to rule over and oppress black people in America.”
Obama is not doing anything about Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger.
Obama has not given a penny to any black victims of Bush’s racial discrimination.
Obama needs to say: “I can change and act like a black person instead of disgracing myself all over the place!”
Obama needs to say: “Change—Yes I can!”
Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
February 19th, 2009 at 1:42 amB.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993