NY Post cartoonist under fire for portraying stimulus author as a dead chimp.
NY Post cartoonist under fire for portraying stimulus author as a dead chimp.
Today, the NY Post published a cartoon by Sean Delonas showing two police officers shooting a chimpanzee, in a reference to the recent incident in Connecticut where a pet chimp attacked a woman. In this cartoon, however, one of the policemen says, “They’ll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill”:
In a statement, the Rev. Al Sharpton questions the racism that appears to be in Delonas’s cartoon:
The cartoon in today’s New York Post is troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys. One has to question whether the cartoonist is making a less than casual reference to this when in the cartoon they have police saying after shooting a chimpanzee that “Now they will have to find someone else to write the stimulus bill.”
Being that the stimulus bill has been the first legislative victory of President Barack Obama (the first African American president) and has become synonymous with him it is not a reach to wonder are they inferring that a monkey wrote the last bill?
The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist.
“It would be very important for The New York Post to explain what the cartoon was intended to portray,” Mr. Paterson said in response to a question about whether the cartoon’s depiction of a monkey was racist, as Mr. Sharpton has suggested. “Obviously those types of associations have been made. They do feed a kind of negative and stereotypical way that people think. But I think if it’s enough that people are raising this issue, I hope they would clarify.”Many NY Post staff members were also reportedly dismayed by the cartoon, and the paper's phone lines were ringing non-stop.
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Al Sharpton is a twit. I liked him a lot better when he was running for the democratic nomination.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 amShut up, Al. Your fifteen minutes has long expeired
February 18th, 2009 at 11:44 amIt’s a fail joke, but it’s obviously not a race joke.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:44 amThe “UGLY AMERICAN” comes out of the closet today !!
February 18th, 2009 at 11:44 amthe election of Obama has infuriated many racists — watch for lots more stuff like this to grace the pages of our newspapers and websites in the weeks, months, and years to come…
February 18th, 2009 at 11:44 amIt is a reach… sorry.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:45 amI think this joke has more to do with the infinite number of monkeys typing at random producing Hamlet than it does with President Obama, I don’t buy the racism.
The implication to me is more that it’s so stupid that an actual monkey must have wrote it. You’d think the people involved with have considered the race connotations people would come up with, but it really doesn’t seem like an intentionally racist thing.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:45 amI’m surprised Al doesn’t think the night sky is racist because of its color….
February 18th, 2009 at 11:46 amIt’s the NY Post. Your average reader… can’t.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:48 amdamn.
i don’t know what’s worse… knowing about it? or seeing it here on TP…
wrong.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:49 amHey, it was just a joke. Just like “Barak the Magic Negro” was a joke. Just like “Back in the Saddle” was a joke. Republican humor should be the subject of a whole college course in abnormal psychology.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:51 amJust another example of the stupidity of the Murdoch empire. Even if it’s not intentionally racist, some editor at the Post should have caught the possibility that it would be perceived as racist, given the connotation that the word “monkey” has assumed over the years (after all, it’s the very use of that word on a Monday Night Football broadcast, when referring to an African-American player, that got Howard Cosell in trouble many years ago).
And if it’s not racist, it’s certainly gratuitously violent, particularly given that it tries to make light of the fact that someone’s pet chimp attacked and nearly killed a woman who’s now in critical condition.
As I said, typical of the Murdoch empire…
February 18th, 2009 at 11:53 amnot racist????!!!!!
how the hell NOT?!!!
and to conjure up pictures of assa….. jeez…
that is so sick… sick sick sick….
huge apologies to the Obama family…
such a sick society… sick.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:54 amIt didn’t take long for the trolls to jump onto this thread.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:54 amYeah, it ranks right up there on the tasteless scale, considering the incident but racist? Just how many jokes and cartoons are there out there about Bushes ‘primacy’?
February 18th, 2009 at 11:56 amRev. Al, you’re going out on a limb on this one. Who wrote the bill? As ridiculous as the bill is, chimps might as well have written it. That was the point of the cartoon.
And, Obama did not write the bill.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:56 amThis cartoon is disturbing to me on so many other levels, that the possible racism angle didn’t even occur to me.
First — why turn an extremely sad incident in Connecticut into political fodder? There’s really no connection between a pet chimpanzee attacking a woman for no obvious reason and the stimulus bill? In one of the situations, police had to shoot and kill an animal to protect human life. There is no comparable aspect of the stimulus bill.
Second — The cartoon doesn’t make it clear WHY these police officers just gunned down an ape. Is there some point I’m missing? Who are the police supposed to represent? Republican lawmakers? Republicans in general? The American people in general?
Third — What’s the ape’s connection to the stimulus bill? Are they implying it was written by a chimpanzee (who needed to be shot for some reason)? Or perhaps the cartoon was depicting the REAL Connecticut incident and suggesting that the chimp who was killed was — among his many other accomplishments — responsible for writing the stimulus bill?
This is just a bad cartoon all the way around — racist intentions or not.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:57 amOf course it was racist, that is obvious…
…Conservatives don’t understand that they are racists, they think it is funny…
…they are sick in the head, and don’t have the capacity to understand why people think they are racists…
…they will never get it, it is not in their mindset.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:57 amThat’s ridiculous. This mess lies at the feet of Pelosi and Reid. I wish Obama had crafted this thing, it might have had more fiscal responsibility involved in it. Instead it is a tax cut and spend nightmare that is reasonably portrayed as being crafted by a maniacal chimpanzee. The chimp could be said to have attacked Wall Street after the reception it received yesterday.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:58 amThis was rascist and very stupid. Delonas should know better than to use a monkey when referring to the stimulus bill just signed into law by an African American President. Rascists have been trying to depict African Americans as monkeys for decades. It’s not a new or orignal concept – just another sick joke. Not funny or smart! SHAME ON YOU DELONAS, SHAME ON THE NY POST FOR PUBLISHING THIS RASCIST CARTOON!
February 18th, 2009 at 11:58 amWhy am I not surprised Republicans don’t see the problem?
February 18th, 2009 at 11:59 amOne has to question whether the cartoonist is making a less than casual reference to this when in the cartoon they have police saying after shooting a chimpanzee that “Now they will have to find someone else to write the stimulus bill.”
Well, One thinks Al is over-reaching a bit.
If they have said “they’ll have to find someone else to sign the stimulus bill”, that would be more obviously racist. This one? Not so much.
I also agree that they’re comparing Congress (both parties) as a barrel of monkeys.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:59 amI find it offensive. Relating people to monkeys or chimpanzees has been common in America as a wat to put people down. They did it with the Irish in the 1800’s. They have done it with African Americans, as well. It is not funny.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:59 amAlejandro Says:
Rev. Al, you’re going out on a limb on this one. Who wrote the bill? As ridiculous as the bill is, chimps might as well have written it. That was the point of the cartoon.
And, Obama did not write the bill.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
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And, while we’re picking nits, chimpanzees aren’t monkeys. They’re great apes.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pmRepublicans, NOT FUNNY, but a deadly disease which must be eradicated.
Here, for the sake of clarity, is a genius comedic statement, which will be all but lost on the troglodyte, mouth-breathing Limbots.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pmI always thought white people referred to blacks as apes, not chimps. White people like chimps. After all, Ronald Reagan is best known for “Bedtime for Bonzo”, Bonzo being a cuddly, wuddly, chimpanzee.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:01 pmSadly, for many in America, they are just not ready for a black president. Bigotry and racism dies hard.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pmlarkohio Says:
I find it offensive. Relating people to monkeys or chimpanzees has been common in America as a wat to put people down. They did it with the Irish in the 1800’s. They have done it with African Americans, as well. It is not funny.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
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It was pretty funny for the past eight years when we did it to George Bush.
Though in retrospect, I imagine some chimpanzees were probably quite displeased by the comparison.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pmnot racist????!!!!!
how the hell NOT?!!!
It’s a stupid and unfortunate cartoon, but I do think that the Rev. Sharpton is reaching on this one…
1) It makes reference to the chimp actualy killed yesterday in Conn. (Sad- but not racist)
2) It makes reference to the infinite monkey theorem suggesting that this chimp typed the stimulus ‘at random’ (Stupid- but not racist)
I just don’t buy it- I think it’s a reach and diminishes from the actual factual racism that Obama is facing everyday…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pmmurdoch’s a racist.
what else is new?
boycott fox and
their advertisers.
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
And, while we’re picking nits, chimpanzees aren’t monkeys. They’re great apes.
Great? They’re excellent apes!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pm/Stupid joke
Bonzo being a cuddly, wuddly, chimpanzee.
Moron.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm(cha ching)
Thank you, Mr. Sucks!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pmI don’t buy the racism line either.
The troublesome part is that it wildly misrepresents what “The Stim” is all about. Who, aside maybe from the Post’s Editors and the cartoonist (and lying R’s) really thinks it would be better to do nothing?
The public’s perceptions aren’t refelcted in the cartoon, which makes it a poor example of the form.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pmOlby Sucks Says:
obama played the race card from day one of his campaign. End of story.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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How, exactly? “Being black” isn’t a card.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pmOlby Sucks Says:
obama played the race card from day one of his campaign. End of story.
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this card?
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pmHoo-ray – Special Boy is here!!
cha-ching!! dummy, you made Nancy $270 last night.
How much you gonna make for the D’s today??
February 18th, 2009 at 12:07 pmDo you mean a black panther, moron?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:07 pmFebruary 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Olby, tell your mom and her brother (your father) we all wish them well with their new octuplets.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pmDNFP Says:
Moron.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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Actually, the moron is the woman who had a chimpanzee as a pet in the first place. She deserved what she got.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pmDude, look at these TOTALLY RACIST websites.
http://www.bushorchimp.com/
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
February 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pmhow many levels can one cartoon be so wrong?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pmthe racism is pretty obvious. the death wish/threat isn’t exactly veiled. and oh yes, what is more hilarious about a monkey eating someones face off and being shot by the cops? we don’t even know if that lady is going to live yet.
in short, par for the repug course.
dogwash – we’ll keep doing it as long as it loses R’s elections.
now you can join Dummy in his D fundraising efforts by running your punk mouth in here all day.
every one of your posts is $$ in the pockets of D and Prog causes, so keep’em coming.
(not only are your comments giving money to those you loathe, they’re funny as hell to read)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pmOlby Sucks Says:
boycott fox and
their advertisers.
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How’d your last “boycott Fox” go for ya? Still no.1 while msdnc is sinking like a lead balloon.
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this one?
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pmcha-ching, special boy.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:10 pmjoe cantwell Says:
Olby Sucks Says:
obama played the race card from day one of his campaign. End of story.
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this card?
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pmI’m with the others here that don’t see the racism in this.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:12 pmmisshusseinmolly Says: In one of the situations, police had to shoot and kill an animal to protect human life.
We share 99% of our DNA with chmpanzees – I wonder why no one was protecting the chimp from being someone’s pet in the first place. She, not the chimp, was responsible for what happened to her. Humans are not better than all other living things, and we have no more of a right to kill thme when they defend themselves than we do one another.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:13 pmOlby Sucks Says:
You far left loons called for the death of Bush and Cheney countless times. Let alone constantly referred to him as Chimpy. Take a hike, your hypocrisy is showing, again!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
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No. It’s not hypocrisy to refer to Bush as Chimpy while denouncing use of the term for Obama.
If great apes had been used as epithets for spoiled dry-drunk Texans for decades, it would be quite a different story. However, this is not the case. They were used as epithets against African-Americans, and thus any reference to Obama as primate is, by extension, a racial slur.
It’s not hypocrisy, just a double standard. Life is full of them – get used to it. African-Americans have.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:13 pmOlby Sucks Says:
You far left loons called for the death of Bush and Cheney countless times. Let alone constantly referred to him as Chimpy. Take a hike, your hypocrisy is showing, again!
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link?
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:13 pmIt’s the New York Post. Newspapers are a dying breed. Of course they considered the racist angle. Of course they considered the assassination angle. Of course they considered the tasteless angle. They needed the publicity.
It’s the New York Post.
btw, This is a high point for Sean Delonas, if you’ve ever perused his editorial cartoons.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:14 pmThe poor chimp did not.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:14 pmSharpton is NOT reaching.
Racism is not merely, or even particularly, a matter of individual acts of bigotry.
Racism is the system of social practices which excuses, maybe validates, perhaps even approves the structures which do not stigmatize, and even preserves, those practices.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pmIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
I’m with the others here that don’t see the racism in this.
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neither would i.
if i kept my eyes closed.
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ignorance is not bliss.
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pmThis is so wrong.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:17 pmWhat I find disturbing is that the artist is making light of the horrific incident where a chimpanzee practically tore the face of a woman. IT’S NOT FUNNY!
Second, the officer states “who’s going to write the stimulus bill”, as if the chimp was in charge. Well, guess who is in charge? That’s right, Barack Hussein Obama, whose skin happens to be black. Sorry folks, but you just don’t equate African Americans with monkeys. Well, unless your a damn racist (Please see the ThinkFast thread where I challenge blotchdog with the Howard Cossell parallel). Also, the assassination overtone is quite scary.
Finally, it may be the 100 monkeys typing on a 100 typewriters for over a 100 years joke, but I just don’t get it.
Is the cartoonist saying that the stimulus is a joke (even though it will create hundreds of thousands of jobs)? Is he saying that only a monkey could write it? How is this possible, with our country in such dire straights?
Call me old. Call me dumb. But I’ve always been a smart ass, and I just don’t get this joke!
Joe Cantwell, you rock!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:18 pmOlby Sucks Says:
einstein, that has nothing to do with a boycott. Also, msdnc lost much more per capita. bbc is dead in the water. Think, before you poat, please.
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res ipsa loquitur.
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einstein.
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pmA chimpanzee is not a monkey. It’s a primate – just like us.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pmRacist white people think if their racism is subtle enough they can get away with it. It makes it more insulting than blatant racism to the recipient.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:20 pmWhile we are on the subject, and it’s a little off topic tangent, why the hell was the owner giving the chimp a mood elevating drug???
February 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pmAnimals react differently than humans to all drugs. And Xanax, an anti-anxiety, can manifest the opposite for individual humans.
Lord knows what it did to that animal, in combination with green tea.
YIKES
Is the cartoonist saying that the stimulus is a joke (even though it will create hundreds of thousands of jobs)? Is he saying that only a monkey could write it? How is this possible, with our country in such dire straights?
that’s the genius of ‘art’: it’s ambiguity. The cartoon could also be read other ways, as well…
What is significant to me is that the “racist” implications are evident enough that there some folks who must explicitly deny them…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:22 pmThe reason that the cartoonist could not have been thinking of Obama while drawing the cartoon is that he/she is not a retard and fully realizes that Obama did not write the bill.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:22 pmMonkeys are primates.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:23 pmDRxJ, she said the chimp had Lyme disease and the medication for that had changed is disposition.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:24 pmO
How?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:24 pmAhhh, but Alejandro, who do the majority of Americans think of when the Stimulus bill is brought up?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:24 pmBarrack Hussein Obama, of course!
The only thing that cartoon means is that a chimp could have written that stupid stimulus bill.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:25 pmSince the day obama became president “Al Sharpton AKA racist” was waiting for someone to make fun of obama to go after.
cha-ching.
Olby sucks is now, officially, TP’s #1 Democratic Party Donor.
Congratulations, special boy.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:27 pmAs the country falls deeper into recession, we will see and hear more of this type of ‘expression’. The right side is devoid of ideas and solutions, so they do what they do best: throw mud at everything. The right side sees itself as a victim – even when they were in the majority. Now that their fortunes are reversed, the ‘caged animal’ syndrome will surface. We see it already with the horrible rantings of Limbaugh, o’reilly, beck, coulter, etc…
Now they could offer something useful to America, but that would be a near impossibility as they are not interested in helping America. They are more devoted to building Amerikkka. It’s just who they are deep inside.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:27 pmPelosi didn’t personally write a 1000 page bill. Staffers wrote the core bill and other staffers wrote all the amendments. Hmm, like a 1000 chimps with typewriters…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:27 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Typical olbyloon, can’t refute go after a little typo.
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pmWhether you think this was racist or not, consider this. Is it funny? Frankly, I don’t believe it is. So it could be an appeal to the Deep South Republican crowd.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pmWhat, are they chimps or something?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“Obama did not write the bill.”
The far left loons have nothing better to do and are just following the other sheep. President pelosi “wrote” the bill. obama just nodded his little head.
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
:)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pmtokin librul Says:
Racism is not merely, or even particularly, a matter of individual acts of bigotry.
Racism is the system of social practices which excuses, maybe validates, perhaps even approves the structures which do not stigmatize, and even preserves, those practices.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
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Agreed. But I think an argument can be made that knee-jerk cries of “racism” can also contribute to the institution of racism. They reduce racism, in the public sphere, from a broad-based system of oppression and discrimination, to a series of “gotcha” moments. Public debate begins to focus on who said what in a fuzzy YouTube clip, and ignores institutionalized segregation in housing, education, employment, and other critical areas.
We also have to look at intent. I don’t believe the cartoonist’s intent was to make a racial statement. Was the cartoon ill-advised? Yes, on many levels. But let’s kill the cartoonist for his bad verses, not for his perceived racism.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“Racist white people think if their racism is subtle enough they can get away with it.”
It works both ways, pal.
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
:)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Thanks for proving you’re an olbyloon…..
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pmWhat is significant to me is that the “racist” implications are evident enough that there some folks who must explicitly deny them…
No, what is significant about the ‘racist’ implications is that they are murky enough thatthere are some folks who have to explicitly point them out… see Sharpton’s statement above.
I don’t deny that Obama faces racism every single day- see any post by Mr. Sucks for evidence.
I don’t deny that the cartoon is stupid and pointless- see any NY Post for evidence of stupid and pointless cartoons.
I do think that Sharpton is reaching here and that the reach, by equating this stupid, tasteless and pointless cartoon with stuff like Mr. Sucks posts, diminishes the racism that Obama actually faces… ’cause Mr. Sucks then thinks that we’ll complain about anything and therefore he’s not racist, we’re reactionary.
And that’s not true… Mr. Sucks, you’re racist.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pmHT @91 said what I meant…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pmDRxJ Says:
Ahhh, but Alejandro, who do the majority of Americans think of when the Stimulus bill is brought up?
Barrack Hussein Obama, of course!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
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Um, perhaps you forgot. Barack Obama defeated Barack Hussein Obama. Remember?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pmAlejandro Says: Monkeys are primates.
I should have said apes (meaning humans, goriilas, oragutans and chimps). However, Chimps are NOT monkeys. Therefore, the “monkeys at a typewriter” analogy cannot apply to the cartoonist’s intent.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
These gosh-darned Righties are PALPABLY DESPERATE.
Such a strained and feverish effort to defame any and everthing about the new administration.
I didn’t like Dubbie before or immediately after he was elected, but I waited a good year or two before becoming really agitated.
I guess you have to have a deep, deep disregard for your fellow countrymen to wish so much ill on so many people.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pmOlby Sucks Says:
The liberals don’t want racism to ever go away. What would they have to cry about, then?
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
:)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pmWow, more trolls than normal on this one. They must really be upset at being so flagrantly exposed as the bigots they are.
I fall on the side of those who believe the racist overtones are glaring, but even if one looks at this and doesn’t see that as obvious, just maybe or could be construed as racist, that alone should be the red flag to not publish it. That’s what a responsible paper would do.
But we’re talking Murdoch and the NY Post here.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pmOlby Sucks Says:
belaxitive, you’re a liar. Shocker!
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pmWell, Olby we can always cry about your lack of education and wit.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pmToo bad the monkey wasn’t gay, then Darlyy would be on the thread to complete the troll trifecta.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:35 pmhussein toasterhead,
touche, my friend. Touche!
February 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pmOlby Sucks Says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pmThe right side cheered on the dumbest man to ever steal a presidential election and now they don’t like an accomplished, educated man trying to bring this country back from the abyss – a crisis created by the dumbest man to ever steal a presidential election.
How can the right side cheer on stupidity, but run from a man who is working to help them out of this mess? Do they welcome a depression?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pmRepublicans are racists….did anyone glance at the related articles.
This is not new or news. It’s just all the right has left and it is defining them……I’m glad they think they can get away with it…..heh, they can’t.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm^ This.
It’s a stupid joke that falls flat because the author isn’t smart and/or funny enough to make a genuine funny, but it isn’t racist. The Post isn’t exactly known for its satirical brilliance.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm“Read my poat – know knew tackses”
February 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm-Olby Bush IV
Olby Sucks Says:
The liberals don’t want racism to ever go away. What would they have to cry about, then?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
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Economic disparity, poverty, climate change, inadequate health care, inadequate educational opportunities, U.S.-funded Israeli genocide, environmental degradation, mountaintop removal, resource-driven civil wars in the D.R. Congo, atrocities in Darfur, Colombian paramilitaries, election fraud and disenfranchisement, draconian immigration policies, exploitation of foreign workers, child labor, farm subsidies, free trade agreements, human trafficking, and corporate tax avoision.
To name a few.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Byrd, anybody?
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pmdeebaser Says:
hussein toasterhead Says:
Agreed. But I think an argument can be made that knee-jerk cries of “racism” can also contribute to the institution of racism. They reduce racism, in the public sphere, from a broad-based system of oppression and discrimination, to a series of “gotcha” moments. Public debate begins to focus on who said what in a fuzzy YouTube clip, and ignores institutionalized segregation in housing, education, employment, and other critical areas.
We also have to look at intent. I don’t believe the cartoonist’s intent was to make a racial statement. Was the cartoon ill-advised? Yes, on many levels. But let’s kill the cartoonist for his bad verses, not for his perceived racism.
^ This.
It’s a stupid joke that falls flat because the author isn’t smart and/or funny enough to make a genuine funny, but it isn’t racist. The Post isn’t exactly known for its satirical brilliance.
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olby, would you care to “poat”
a comment on this?
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm^This too. The editorial staff was either trying to be edgy/controversial with as little effort as possible OR just generally 9-to-5 it with as little effort as possible.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:41 pmunbelievable Says:
I should have said apes (meaning humans, goriilas, oragutans and chimps). However, Chimps are NOT monkeys. Therefore, the “monkeys at a typewriter” analogy cannot apply to the cartoonist’s intent.
Devil’s Advocate here: the common person when told about the infinite monkeys image will probably think about chimpanzees. For proof, Google “infinite number monkeys” and you’ll find many more images of chimps at typewriters than monkeys.
Stupid, I know, but then those people will also believe dolphins are fish :P
February 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pmolby…?
olby?
“poat”?
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pmOlbyloon? Wasn’t that a Dr. Seuss book?
February 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pmLet’s get into the real Sean Delonas.
Turns out the guy has been caught ‘borrowing’ other cartoonists’ work and even reprinting his own cartoons. (Just flipped so no one can tell…shhhhh!)
At this link, you can watch the fallout:
Here are a couple of my favorite titles:
Sean Delonas Gets Death Threats, Some Of Which May Not Even Come From Art Lovers
‘Post’ Draftsman The Picasso Of Prejudice
We’re Not Saying That Sean Delonas Ripped Off A Pulitzer Prize-Winning Cartoon, But…
And also this ‘coincidentally:’
In other news: on this day in 1688, the first formal protest against slavery by an organized white body in English America was made.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pmFYI, there is no L in Obama.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pmAlejandro Says:
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hussein toasterhead Says:
DNFP Says:
Moron.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
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Actually, the moron is the woman who had a chimpanzee as a pet in the first place. She deserved what she got.
The poor chimp did not.
Neither did the neighbor who got her hands and face chewed off. This story is like something from a Dean Koontz novel.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pmI agree with you HT. This is more an example of extremely bad taste and low talent and is most likely a typical troll move of poo and shoo, a cheap shot aimed at distraction.
Negative attention is better than no attention to repugs and their sympathizers.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pmKeltoi Says:
Alejandro Says:
hussein toasterhead Says:
DNFP Says:
Moron.
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Actually, the moron is the woman who had a chimpanzee as a pet in the first place. She deserved what she got.
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The poor chimp did not.
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Neither did the neighbor who got her hands and face chewed off. This story is like something from a Dean Koontz novel.
Or that other man who got his face and _genitals_ chewed off in another chimp attack.
*Shivering*
February 18th, 2009 at 12:47 pmI gotta go with lokidog on this.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:47 pmIt’s quite a gray area, as one side sees the possible racial overtones, while the other sees the “any monkey can write” scenario.
That being said, I would love any of the antagonists here (or agonists, if need be) please explain the humor in all this.
A woman having here face shredded by a drugged up animal in no way provides laughter about the stimulus.
DRxJ Says:
That being said, I would love any of the antagonists here (or agonists, if need be) please explain the humor in all this.
A woman having here face shredded by a drugged up animal in no way provides laughter about the stimulus.
Some people think it’s wrong because of racist overtones.
Some people think it’s wrong because it may compare Congress to a bunch of monkeys.
I think it’s wrong because, as you well said, it’s a pretty stupid joke with no humor whatsoever.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm…when we all know that dolphins are in fact ‘delicious’.
>.>
February 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm<.<
Luis M
Ummm, there is a dolphin fish
Sorry, just being a smart ass.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:51 pmMy bad.
DRxJ, I don’t think anyone, possible exception of the trolls, has said it was a funny joke. More of a pitiful cry for attention and so far, all of it is bad.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:51 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“To name a few.”
Then why are you hear screaming “racism?”
“Think, before you poat, please.”
February 18th, 2009 at 12:51 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“To name a few.”
Then why are you hear screaming “racism?”
February 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
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When did I scream “racism” in this thread? Kindly point this out to me.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:51 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“To name a few.”
Then why are you hear screaming “racism?”
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“Think, before you poat, please.”
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(where were you dude? we thought you left
because you had to mail a letter and so
you went to the “poat” office to get a stamp.)
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pmDRxJ Says:
Ummm, there is a dolphin fish
I stand corrected, then. And now I know I’ll have to use a different comparison next time. (You smartass :P)
February 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm134. joe cantwell Says:
Careful, Joe…you don’t wanna make him go poatal…
February 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pmexactly – it’s the equivalent of a FATWAH issued by MURDOCH.
h/t caller to ed/norman today…
murdoch should immediately issue an APOLOGY.
at the least.
and EVERYONE should repudiate and condemn this “cartoon”.
SHAME.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pmIn my opinion, rightwingers are twisted in their thought processes, demonstrated by what they find witty and humorous.
As for the cartoonist, he should be made to feel embarrassed, but embarrassment is another trait that seems to be lacking in repugniscum.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pmDid you say something? I can’t here ya.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pmhanshiro Says:
134. joe cantwell Says:
Careful, Joe…you don’t wanna make him go poatal…
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February 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pmLuis M Says:
Devil’s Advocate here: the common person when told about the infinite monkeys image will probably think about chimpanzees. For proof, Google “infinite number monkeys” and you’ll find many more images of chimps at typewriters than monkeys.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I think of these guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Lion_Tamarin
I can TOTALLY see an infinite number of them writing “Hamlet,” and/or a really interesting take on “The Taming of the Shrew.”
February 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pmHoodathunk Says:
DRxJ, I don’t think anyone, possible exception of the trolls, has said it was a funny joke. More of a pitiful cry for attention and so far, all of it is bad.
I predict this same cartoonist will compare the Stock Market to the commuter jet that crashed next week for an encore.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pmI’m sorry, but the continuous “think before you poat comebacks are cracking me up.
See? That’s funny.
This cartoon? Not.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pmtombaker
I agree, most of us, even though we did not like, nor vote for, Bush, gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time before we became really aggravated with his policies.
Today, the opposition couldn’t wait until Obama was inaugurated before they began criticizing him and calling for impeachment.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:04 pmSo much for their patriotism and love of America.
We had our people calling Shrub a chimp, making comparisons to a chimp and basically superimposing him into a chimp. We also had our people making films about killing the Shrub. where was all of your womanly anger then? The majority of Americans are angry about this stimulus bill. You want to read racism, fine, read racism. The truth of the matter is we have all just had our faces ripped off. Who’s gonna kill the chimps that did it to us? BTW, Gibbs declared a second(third) round of stimulus to be forthcoming. Chew on that a while and see if it doesn’t make you sick, it did me.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:04 pmdrew3rd Says:
We had our people calling Shrub a chimp, making comparisons to a chimp and basically superimposing him into a chimp. We also had our people making films about killing the Shrub. where was all of your womanly anger then? The majority of Americans are angry about this stimulus bill. You want to read racism, fine, read racism. The truth of the matter is we have all just had our faces ripped off. Who’s gonna kill the chimps that did it to us? BTW, Gibbs declared a second(third) round of stimulus to be forthcoming. Chew on that a while and see if it doesn’t make you sick, it did me.
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who are your people?
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:06 pmThe majority of Americans are angry about this stimulus bill.
No, they are angry that the R’s stood in the way of the stimulus bill… the majority support the stimulus.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/opinion_0217.html
and you are sick…
February 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“When did I scream “racism” in this thread? Kindly point this out to me.”
“But let’s kill the cartoonist for his bad verses, not for his perceived racism.”
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(where were you dude? we thought you left
because you had to mail a letter and so
you went to the “poat” office to get a stamp.)
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pmI think the cartoonist wasn’t thinking of racial issues when he drew the cartoon.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:09 pmunbelievable Says:
However, Chimps are NOT monkeys. Therefore, the “monkeys at a typewriter” analogy cannot apply to the cartoonist’s intent.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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It’s also a rather twisted misreading of the “monkeys at a typewriter” analogy, which is a thought experiment on the nature of infinity.
The fact is that an infinite number of monkeys tapping randomly at an infinite number of typewriters would have written the stimulus bill. Not could, would. Both the House and Senate versions.
They also would have written a version with every instance the word “funding” replaced by the word “spatula.” And they would have written a version in Pig Latin. And they would have written a version in perfectly Pinyinized Mandarin Chinese.
And they would have written the San Francisco telephone directory from 1972. And every paper you ever wrote for every class in high school and college. And this web page, including HTML markup. Including these words I’m typing right now.
Such is the nature of infinity.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“When did I scream “racism” in this thread? Kindly point this out to me.”
“But let’s kill the cartoonist for his bad verses, not for his perceived racism.”
Wow, Mr. Sucks! How’d you score on the ol’ Reading Comprehension? About as well as Spelling, I’d wager… illustrious ‘poater’.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pmI am much more offended by this cartoon as a supporter of the stimulus bill and as a fan of political cartooning in general. While I understand how some may react to race, I am more offended by the image that those who crafted the bill are no better than a chimp!
But really, shooting a writer of the stimulus bill? As we saw with the church shootings in Tennessee and the shooter’s staunch views of Bernie Goldberg’s book, shouldn’t we be a little sensitive to this, regardless of party affiliation? Don’t want to put ideas in people’s heads.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pmbelac Says:
The majority of Americans are angry about this stimulus bill.
No, they are angry that the R’s stood in the way of the stimulus bill… the majority support the stimulus.
http://www.americanprogress.org/ issues/ 2009/ 02/ opinion_0217.html
and you are sick…
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“When did I scream “racism” in this thread? Kindly point this out to me.”
“But let’s kill the cartoonist for his bad verses, not for his perceived racism.”
February 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
When did I scream “racism” in that sentence? Kindly point this out to me.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pmLiar.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pmcd Says:
I think the cartoonist wasn’t thinking of racial issues when he drew the cartoon.
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
The fact is that an infinite number of monkeys tapping randomly at an infinite number of typewriters would have written the stimulus bill. Not could, would. Both the House and Senate versions.
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Such is the nature of infinity.
Ah but they couldn’t type the complete list of all the books they would type.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm/Gödel FTW!
drew3rd Says:
The majority of Americans are angry about this stimulus bill.
The majority of Americans are hopeful but skeptical about the stimulus bill, but mostly angry at the problem, not the solution. Let’s not forget that it was a failed presidency and Congress that helped sink us into a huge deficit.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pmI’m screamin racism…..
so what. If you think this is ok then you admit that you don’t care if people think it is racially offensive. That is what racism is…..
February 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pmIt’s a stupid cartoon. Who would write the next stimulus package? Repugs?
Be ready for any and all monkey racist jokes, especially dead monkeys.
The dead monkey should be chimpy if the cartoon were produced a few months ago. No accountability, no oversight.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pmdrew3rd Says:
The truth of the matter is we have all just had our faces ripped off.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
We did?!?
I knew Obama shouldn’t have appointed Maj. Arnold Toht as economic czar. The Federal Reserve Ark is not to be opened!!!
February 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pmThe only people complaining about the cartoon are racist themselves.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Rasmussen: Stimulus bill support drops to 37%
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pmThe fact that racists have always likened monkeys to African Americans…makes this cartoon racist. It’s common knowledge, the NY Post and the person who drew this cartoon had to know the history. It’s in very bad taste and the NY post and the people defending this garbage should be ashamed of themselves.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“failed presidency and Congress that helped sink us into a huge deficit.”
Barney frank and chris dodd.
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pmcitytopixcom Says:
The only people complaining about the cartoon are racist themselves.
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the only people complaining about people complaining
about the cartoon are racist themselves.
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“failed presidency and Congress that helped sink us into a huge deficit.”
Barney frank and chris dodd.
Both parties are to blame here. Don’t take sides.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:23 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“Opposition has grown from 34% two weeks ago to 39% last week and 43% today.”
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earlier “poat”.
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Olby Sucks Says:
Rasmussen: Stimulus bill support drops to 37%
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“Are HELPING TO SAVE US from the FAILED BUSH PRESIDENCY and YEARS OF REPUBLICAN RULE – we KNOW… Do YOU? ;)”
LOL!!!! Those losers (dick smoker and dodd) are trying to save THEIR OWN asses!
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pmI knew Obama shouldn’t have appointed Maj. Arnold Toht as economic czar. The Federal Reserve Ark is not to be opened!!!
Everyone knows that Rene Belloq (or as I prefer to spell it… ‘belac, his name is belac!’) is the brains behind the FRA…
February 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
barney frank
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pmExcuse me, Mr. Sucks. Who is Dick Smoker? I don’t want to jump to any conclusions hear, but I’d like to get the facts straight before I label someone as homophobic.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pmIt took me a while to get it. DOes that make me a racist, or stupid? I thought the Stimulus bill was written by white Congresspeople. Obama wrote it??? Like Sen Boehner read it.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pmPosting real fast don’t make it a fact. Americans seem to thing the ones responsible for sinking us are bush, bohner and mitchell….heh…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/114670/Congress-Approval-Rating-Jumps.aspx
February 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Olby Sucks Says: I’m an idiot at #172. FLAG HIM PLEASE.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pmIt is time to organize and boycott any advertisers with the Post. Calling all bloggers tired of Right Wing GOP banal base rhetoric and non apologetic racism; lets circulate the list of advertisers and make it go viral. BOYCOTT ADVERTISERS OF THE POST.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pmOlby Sucks Says:
republicans hate facts
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pmAhh, nothing like a confused homophobic troll to lighten up a thread.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pmOlby Sox, care to explain how this cartoon was funny?
Mr. Sucks:
Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us, what parts did deregulation of the banking industry (mainly pushed by a Sen Gramm) and foreign demand for mortgage backed securities as a stable investment play in the current financial crisis?
Are you an economics expert as well as a statistician?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pmOlby Sucks:
Obama’s 67% approval rating on the stimulus is more than twice that of Republicans
You got nothing olby…..stop your whining….oh yeah, that’s all you guys ever had…..
February 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pmAnthony Look Says:
It is time to organize and boycott any advertisers with the Post. Calling all bloggers tired of Right Wing GOP banal base rhetoric and non apologetic racism; lets circulate the list of advertisers and make it go viral. BOYCOTT ADVERTISERS OF THE POST.
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good idea,
it’s already working.
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olby?
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pmOlby Sucks, all wrong all the time.
Dodd and Frank, I don’t think so. Maybe this will help you understand. Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
February 18th, 2009 at 1:36 pmolby flagged.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:36 pmMr. Sucks is racist and homophobic. In short, a proud Republican.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pmmichael steele,
nolo contendere?
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pmOlby Sucks Says:
republicans hate facts
Step away from the crack pipe…..
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pmMr. Sucks, I’m still waiting to “here” where you got your first name.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pmWe’re done with your bullshit olby….just type away to yourself until you are banned.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pmOf course, it is racist. It is all about getting publicity for the paper. It is a cheap trick, but it works. New York Post,congratulations on your little publicity coup.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pmWhy, Fred isn’t the racist homophobe, that’s your job.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pmWe had our people calling Shrub a chimp, making comparisons to a chimp and basically superimposing him into a chimp. We also had our people making films about killing the Shrub.
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Since when are we the same people? Whatever that is suppose to mean. Why not define what you are and what people you feel consitute “our people”
February 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pmThanks
meanwhile:
Kit Bond Touts Effects Of Stimulus Bill He Voted Against
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pmOlby Sucks Says:
How old are you little girl – 12?
Ask fred……
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:52 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Why are you loons boycotting Ford?
Why are you loons still pushing supply side solutions (tax breaks) to a problem of over-supply? (Detroit’s got plenty of cars… Arizona’s got plenty of homes…)
Think, then respond.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pmHe doesn’t seem to have that ability.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pmyeah, she’s 12
February 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Why are you loons boycotting Ford?
Ford reports $5.9 billion fourth-quarter loss
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Olby Sucks Says:
Anthony Look Says:
It is time to organize and boycott any advertisers with the Post. Calling all bloggers tired of Right Wing GOP banal base rhetoric and non apologetic racism; lets circulate the list of advertisers and make it go viral. BOYCOTT ADVERTISERS OF THE POST.
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good idea,
it’s already working.
Olby Sucks Says:
Why are you loons boycotting Ford?
Ford reports $5.9 billion fourth-quarter loss
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pmThe question is not if Mr. Sucks is a racist but why he is a racist. Generally, ignorant and incompetent white people like to blame other races for their inability to succeed in this world. Like if there wasn’t black people he wouldn’t have to work for the RNC earning a nickel a post.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pmOlby Sucks Says:
belac Says:
Why are you changing the subject, again?
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February 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pmbelac Says:
Everyone knows that Rene Belloq (or as I prefer to spell it… ‘belac, his name is belac!’) is the brains behind the FRA…
February 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
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Thank you for getting the reference – I was way out on a limb with that one… :)
February 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pmShayne Says:
The question is not if Mr. Sucks is a racist but why he is a racist. Generally, ignorant and incompetent white people like to blame other races for their inability to succeed in this world. Like if there wasn’t black people he wouldn’t have to work for the RNC earning a nickel a post.
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmYou’re the Republican. How do tax breaks help a company reporting $5.9 billion in losses? Oh, think before poating, I’ll wait to here from you.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“Detroit’s got plenty of cars…”
Why was there a mayor,Dannell Malloy, who’s father is a retired gm employee, from Michigan on Fox News (#1) yesterday begging for money?
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pmWhy are you changing the subject, again?
Oh, you didn’t want to discuss the roots of the current economic crisis?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pmThat’s strange, I could swear it was you who posted all that Freddie and Fannie nonsense and then refused to answer questions about:
1) Bank Deregulation overseen by Sen. Gramm (see Shayne’s helpful link)\
2) Foreign Demand for Mortgage Backed Securities increasing demand for same and resulting in an over-supply
3) Detroit’s own problems with an over-supply of goods (see your fourth quarter loss post) and the R’s facination with remedying the over-supply with tax-cuts to stimulate production… how’s that work again?
I’m going to take a stab at it since I’d rather shoot myself than watch Fox that he was looking for stimulus money.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pmOlby Sucks Says:
The cartoon is called “satire.”
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pmOlby Sucks Says:
How do tax breaks help a company reporting $5.9 billion in losses?
by shayne
LOL!
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:04 pmolby exposed his racism and gay bashing nature……now he wants to run from it….you can’t little girl. it’s permanent on the internets…..
February 18th, 2009 at 2:06 pmWebster’s : a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn 2 : trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly
Yep, RACISM.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pmOlby-
How do supply side solutions (tax-breaks) solve a problem of over-supply?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pmThere’s a whole heapin’ bunch o’ festerin’ nasty deep down in the Suck.
Can’t hide that.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“he was looking for stimulus money.”
Bingo! Thanks for debunking yourself.
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pmBut you people don’t believe in stimulus money. Are you going to send him a check? You people believe tax breaks are the only way to stimulate the economy. I’m still waiting for you to tell me how tax breaks would help Ford. LOL is not answer.
Or are you saying that we caused the quarterly loss at Ford by boycotting? Not exactly a math whiz are you?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pmOlby Sucks Says:
The cartoon is called “satire.”
February 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
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Is it satire? Yes.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pmIs it in poor taste? Yes.
Is it racist? Possibly.
Does it display callous disregard for the implicit racist overtone of depicting the author of the stimulus bill, widely percieved to be our African-American president, as a dead chimpanzee? Absolutely.
LINK for that cheering please.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pmThe reader responses are interesting, varied & not definitive, so let’s dissect the elements of the cartoon & see if we can ferret out authorial intent.
The cops have shot what we know was a 200-pound chimpanzee who was thought to be a tame, harmless pet but who attacked, mauled & severely injured an innocent woman, a friend of the chimp’s owner. The chimp is a bad guy, and the cops, by extension, are good guys. They oppose & overpower the chimp.
The cop’s remark indicates the chimp wrote the “first” stimulus bill. President Obama wrote the first stimulus bill.
Ergo, the chimp is a stand-in for Obama.
So it is clear it was the artist’s intent to liken the President of the United States to a 200-pound chimpanzee who was thought to be a tame, harmless pet but who attacked, mauled & severely injured an innocent woman. That is to say, the artist believes the President is not the “tame pet” he seems to be. He is not “housebroken.” Behind his nice manners lurks a savage who will maul your women.
During the campaign, we saw a few “comments” like this, though most were much less blatant.
The cops — the good guys who represent law and order — have disposed of the President/chimp by violent means. Because they are “authorized representatives of the people,” their violence is presented as a justifiable means of returning law & order to the community/nation and “saving” women the President endangers.
Sorry, but this cartoon is worse than racist. It advocates the assassination of the President.
I don’t know what’s in the artist’s conscious mind, but I do know what’s in his subconscious mind — and it is sick, sick, sick. And dangerous. Rather than have Al Sharpton complaining about the cartoonist & the editors who approved the cartoon, I’d like to have some FBI profilers step in. Now. This is not something to take lightly.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
February 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Remember when you loons cheered when that loser hung the Palin effigy from his house by the neck, calling it “satire?”
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:16 pmI’ll try again. Because Reaganomics aka trickle down aka supply side economics doesn’t work. Hence, too many cars with nobody to buy them. But your people want to give more tax breaks to big business so they can import more stuff we can’t afford to buy.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pmOlby Sucks Says:
hussein toasterhead
Does it constitute you wasting your whole day crying about it? Why don’t you vent your anger to who ever made the cartoon?
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pmrepublican myth, like the republicans are the only ones that call Obama messia. It is just thier fear….they should be afraid.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pmOh, you mean you got caught making sh#t up. Let me explain, when people boycott and write to Fox advertisers they stop buying time on Fox and that causes lost revenue. Get it?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pmOlby Sucks Says:
“President Obama wrote the first stimulus bill.”
No, he didn’t.
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pmOlby Sox Says:
Remember when you loons cheered when that loser hung the Palin effigy from his house by the neck, calling it “satire?”
Nope.
Please think before you poat!
February 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Constant Weader
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojWOWyHWj6M
Were you equally outraged when this movie was released?
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(fox kiddie porn anyone?)
February 18th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWere we not outraged about your movie? LINK please.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pmHey Sucks, if you’ve got nothing why don’t you just quit typing. You should have plenty of nickels by now.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pmOlby Soxone Kanobi Says:
Does it constitute you wasting your whole day crying about it? Why don’t you vent your anger to who ever made the cartoon?
Does it constitute you wasting your whole day antagonizing about it? Why don’t you vent your anger and put on your white hooded sheet?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pmBoy the stench of republican fear is strong today…..I love to see them sweat……it’s good for America. Yay.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pmMr. Sucks… no comment on #233?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pmOh, you disappoint me Mr. Sucks…
The cartoonist got it wrong. The chimp was the one opposing the bill… good riddance.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pmLTdum Says:
You would have to be a racist, to think of that picture as racist.
Care to elaborate on that oh so bold post?
And remember,
please think before you poat.
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We’ll wait
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pmStupid award for the day goes to lt. It takes one to know one……right out of the first grade survival handbook.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:30 pmBullsh$t.
They’re showing a dead monkey on the ground saying “someone else has to write the stimulus bill”.
I think its time to stop the monkey jokes.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:30 pm32 comments asking why we weren’t being greeted as liberators. Not calling for anything to happen to him. You got anything else?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:31 pmNot to belittle the racism and implied threats of violence to the President (or anyone else), I have to comment of another aspect of this thing…
The NY Post editor-in-chief Col Allan responds:
The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington’s efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist.
So the “the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut” and the horrible attack of that chimp on a human is somehow funny and worthy of parody?
I don’t think anyone is laughing.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:31 pmCOME ON…. WE HAVE BEEN CALLING DUBYA A CHIMP FOR 8 F’ING YEARS…. we didn’t call him a WHITE CHIMP…. OBAMA has more balls than to care AND WE SHOULD NOT EITHER—- should we only compare him to …. ???? zebras ???? penguins ????
February 18th, 2009 at 2:31 pmolby, the new monument in Iraq is a shoe…..haaa
February 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pmLoserDan shows up because Sucks isn’t dumb enough? Tag team morons? Relay racists?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pmOlby Sox Says:
Remember when you loons cheered when that loser hung the Palin effigy from his house by the neck, calling it “satire?”
Once again we have Republicans believing that EVERYONE should think like they do. Republicans believe anything their talking heads say assuming the talking heads do check their facts. Republicans forgive and forget (mostly forget) when their representatives flip-flop or participate in questionable behaviour. It really shows a lack of critical thinking. Go back to school Mr. Sucks.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pmMr. Sucks… #233… questions, I have…
February 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pmObviously you didn’t see any of the people attending McCain/Palin rallies did you Suck? No hate speak there. You’ll probably tell us it was all satire next.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pmLTdan Says:
You would have to be a racist, to think of that picture as racist. You libs are the obvious racists.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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Wow. Stellar comeback, Danny. Simply stellar.
Your use of the “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense – absolutely brilliant.
You, sir, are a rhetorical genius worthy of the highest honors bestowable upon feats of literary genius.
Boffo!
February 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pmonce again the republicans expose their inherant racism…spot on.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pmIf it weren’t for conservatives, the economy would not be in such extreme need of reviving. The economy does fine under liberals. Look it up.
Many conservatives will rejoice in seeing that cartoon as a call for Obama’s assassination. It is not just my imagination—they felt the same towards JFK, MLK, and RFK—-pure bestial hatred of decent people. I witnessed it in the 1960’s!
February 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmNY post has thier very own maccacca moment…..aren’t we proud?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pmolby.
ltdan.
bff’s.
:)
February 18th, 2009 at 2:44 pmOlby Sucks Says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojWOWyHWj6M
Were you equally outraged when this movie was released?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
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Nope. What’s wrong with that movie? It’s just a fictional portrayal of an alternative reality scenario. Political assassinations are fodder for quite a lot of movies, you know.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:45 pmOlby Sucks Says:
Shayne Says:
Obviously you didn’t see any of the people attending McCain/Palin rallies did you Suck? No hate speak there. You’ll probably tell us it was all satire next.
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You mean the t-shirts that had a picture of Palin with the word “cunt” under it?
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oh olby.
the “c” word.
not surprised.
conservatives are weird
about sex, eh?
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pmThere were people at Palin rallies calling for the killing of Obama—-not the reverse, SucksToBeYou.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pmAll you racists better be careful what you say…..there’s a new deputy in town and he don’t go for your ignorant shit….
things have changed and that’s your problem…better wakie wakie…or you could find yourself facing charges for violating crimes on the books that bushies didn’t enforce….
Holder: US is nation of cowards on racial matters
February 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pmMr. Sucks?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:48 pm#233?
olby…?
ltdan?
what are you boys doing?
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pmmore for olby:
– Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN), who complained that the “federal government is spending money they don’t have,” told Rachel Maddow he would nevertheless accept funds for Minnesota: “Our view is, if you buy the pizza, it’s OK if you have a slice.”
– Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who also campaigned ardently against the bill, said he would nevertheless gladly accept its funds for his state. “You don’t want to be crazy here,” he said.
– Rep. John Mica (R-FL) gushed over the bill, which he, too, voted against. “I applaud President Obama’s recognition that high-speed rail should be part of America’s future,” he said in a press release.
– Rep. Don Young (R-AK) boasted that he “won a victory for…Alaska small business owners” in the recovery bill he refused to vote for.
from the tp “poat” he’s afraid
to read.
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o, it’s a sunny day today
so when you go outside don’t be scared…
it’s just your shadow.
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February 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pmIf you cannot see the racism that exists in that cartoon, or the unbelievable double standard in the way the press is reporting the banking/wallst bailout vs the main street bailout, then you probably aren’t going to be able to see it in your own self either….eh?
February 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pmAll class Mr. Sucks. Still waiting for you to tell me what Olby is supposed to mean.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pmShayne Says:
All class Mr. Sucks. Still waiting for you to tell me what Olby is supposed to mean.
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mr. sucks is going over
to mr. dan’s house.
for cookies and milk.
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February 18th, 2009 at 3:02 pmThe stimulus bill was not being characterized as stupid. It was being characterized as malevolent socialism, an insidious excuse by the Democrats to put forth their gay, socialist tree-hugger, feminazi, anti-white agenda. ACORN! Mice! Illegal Aliens getting free money! “Stupid’ was not part of the mix.
I don’t think you’re going to find much Republican ink at all about those amiable goodhearted but slightly dim-ocrats who want to help, and that’s nice, but they ignore what the experts say.
Defending the cartoon on the basis of ‘all sorts of people are saying the stimulus bill is stoopid’ is illegitimate, and not what wither Republicans or the Post had been saying.
Moreover, the chimp in the actual news story was not a dim, clueless animal who did something silly, but a dangerous beast who was intent on maiming and killing. This, interestingly enough, turns out to be a good match for the right wing characterization of the stimulus bill: a dangerous move by an enemy bent on hurting and destroying us.
If someone had used this trope in a written piece, on the order of this: “The authors of the stimulus bill, like the drug-crazed chimpanzee in CT, seem poised to rip our face off”–would we be much in doubt about the racism? If someone wrote “The chimps who wrote the stimulus bill,” would that be grounds for scoffing about racism.
I applaud Al for this riposte. It’s not a reasonable measured response–but I see no reason why Rev. Al can’t be his old angry and obstreperous self. Push them, Al. Make them depend–er, defend themselves
February 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pmOkay, the New York Post prints a racist cartoon and then turns around and slam Al Sharpton?? WTF?? Al wouldn’t have opned his mouth if the NY Post had not printed the racist cartoon. Oh I get it, forget the fact that we the NY Post printed the racist cartoon, Al Sparpton is just race baiting here. WOW!!! nice try NY Post. Typical republican move.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pmBelac?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:11 pmCognate w/ Belloc?
Hillaire Belloc, author of the reactionary screed, Crisis of Civilization?
You stay classy, New York Post!
February 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pmOkay, the New York Post prints a racist cartoon and then turns around and slam Al Sharpton?? WTF?? Al wouldn’t have opned his mouth if the NY Post had not printed the racist cartoon. Oh I get it, forget the fact that we the NY Post printed the racist cartoon, Al Sparpton is just race baiting here. WOW!!! nice try NY Post. Typical republican move.
Whosis said: Not all Conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are Conservatives.
Similarly, not all Conservotards are racists, but mos racists are Conservotards.
Attacking Sharpton for calling bullshit on the racist performance on the Post’s editorial page is very much a racist strategy, when viewed in the structural, as opposed to the individual sense. The fundamental excuse offered always by racists is that what they’re doing is just being misunderstood by overly sensitive people. Which preserves their right of act in ways that perpetuate the oppression and bigotry it is their intention to foster…
February 18th, 2009 at 3:17 pmIn 308, “whosis” is John Stuart Mill…just slipped my mind for a sec…really…um, where am I? what time is it?
February 18th, 2009 at 3:19 pmLTfabulous… you who are obviously not full of hate… tell us again, how do you feel about homosexuals?
There is a spark of racism in that cartoon… definitely… but we can’t expect you to see it. You were blind to the injustices committed by the Bush administration for eight years.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:19 pmIn answer to Olby, this is the first I’ve seen of that clip. I find it disgusting but of a different character in that it does not aggrandize the assassins (or even make clear there was an assassination) as the cartoon does. So yes & no.
Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
February 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pmThis is a Rupert Murdoch publication. Nothing else needs to be said.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:21 pmBelac?
Cognate w/ Belloc?
No, ‘fraid not.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pmI’ve always preferred G.B. Shaw among the Edwardians myself…
from ny times:
A newsroom employee at The Post, who spoke on condition of anonymity because employees were not permitted to comment on the matter, said its newsroom received many calls of complaints on Wednesday morning after the publication of the cartoon. “Every line was lit up for several hours,” the employee said. “The phones on the city desk have never rung like that before.” Many Post staff members were dismayed by the cartoon, the employee added.
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February 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pmHey deebaser, when was the last time white people were compared to monkies?? Not a racist joke?? It’s President Obama’s stimulus plan. So I know you’re not damn stupid. I could be wrong.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:25 pmP.S. I didn’t notice it, but the “Beware of the Dog” sign on the phone pole is an intentional reference to dogs attacking civil rights advocates in the South. The white cops depicted in the cartoon recall Bull Connor’s troops.
As I said, the artist is a sicko & so are the editors of the Post. Anyone who claims not to “get” this is either a liar or too thick to think.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
February 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pmI am not one to normally respond to anything that I read in the newspaper but I find Sean Delona\’s cartoon published on 2/18/09 extremely disrespectful to the President of the United States. He was voted into office by the people of this great country that we live in and I do not understand how he can compare the shooting of a chimpanzee to OUR President. Sean Delonas needs to issue a letter of apology to PRESIDENT OBAMA and to the people who read your newspaper. Not all of us are AL Sharpton or believe in his way of handling things. We will not hold protests. The best way to protest your paper is not to buy it and hit you in your pocket and watch your paper fall like the Chimpanzee did. How your editor allowed this to go to press says alot about your paper and I may never pay to read it again
February 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pmConstant Weader Says:
P.S. I didn’t notice it, but the “Beware of the Dog” sign on the phone pole is an intentional reference to dogs attacking civil rights advocates in the South. The white cops depicted in the cartoon recall Bull Connor’s troops.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
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Don’t you think it’s possible you’re reading a bit too much into the cartoon? I don’t deny that it’s racially insensitive, but this interpretation seems a few steps too far.
If there were a fire hydrant in the cartoon, would that be a reference to cops spraying civil rights activists with firehoses?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThe page prior to the cartoon in today’s New York Post is completely devoted to the stimulus bill. There is only one photograph on the page & it’s a large half page B&W photo of Omama actually signing the stimulus bill.
Turn the page and the stimulus bill chimpanzee cartoon really stands out.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:17 pmThe ape reflects the Post’s author’s barbaric mentality. A sign of what is in his heart – a desire for violence. If it wasn’t a crime, Sean would be the number one hit man. The cartoon shows a Peace officer that is SUPPOSE to uphold the law – caught – breaking the law. Dirty cops have broken a lot of laws and a lot of injustices have been against the people they should have been hired to protect, but instead abused-the black race. Coward fighters usually use a weapon to leverage their inferior position which is what is portrayed by the author’s violent use of a gun. The author is in the picture and modern day cameras are every where-got cha!. It never amusing to me to portray any US President assinated. The current President is a very loved man and he is attempting to undo some of the huge damage that men that look like Sean D. has been getting away with for far too long.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:24 pmI usually don’t like Al Sharpton, but anybody who doesn’t see that this is clearly racist (as well as insensitive to the tragedy of the murdered chimpanzee) is dull, stupid and obtuse. Or just mean and twisted and pernicious.
We have a lot of very sick people in the country — and a good number of them are so-called conservatives and Republicans. The Post, by the way, is nothing but a neocon rag. Shame on them.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:26 pmThey’ll have to find someone else to draw the next political cartoon.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:28 pmcitytopixcom Says:
The only people complaining about the cartoon are racist themselves.
What kind of logic is that. It’s racism. You can’t decide what is racist to other people idiot.
February 18th, 2009 at 5:14 pmUnder no circumstances can that cartoon be tolerated.
Stimulus + ape + gun shots + death = seed of assassination
some calling into progressive radio justify this as bush was also characterized as a chimp… but never as a dead chimp.
February 18th, 2009 at 5:50 pmResponse to #318:
Yes, it would. And I’m not the only one who has said so in regard to this particular cartoon. When an artist puts an element in a cartoon, he does so for a reason. As Chekhov famously said, “If you put a rifle over the mantlepiece in Act 1, you’d better use it to shoot somebody by Act 3.” We’re talking art comp 101 here.
The Constant Weader at RealityChex.com
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You stay classy, New York Post!
right… and maybe the secret service needs to pay you a visit.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:00 pmAll on this thread approving of the cartoon, this would be a good lead for a secret service investigation weeding out possible suspects of a presidential assassination.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:08 pmAs Chekhov famously said, “If you put a rifle over the mantlepiece in Act 1, you’d better use it to shoot somebody by Act 3″
Actually the rifle only has to ‘go off’ in Act 3, not shoot somebody… shooting someone would often be overly dramatic, as is your in-depth analysis of the fictional fire hydrant…
February 18th, 2009 at 6:23 pmWe all know it takes one small racist idea to whip the repugs into a killing frenzy.
chimpy name was originally coined by whites and it has nothing to do with ancestry dumbo.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pmthe cartoon should
be taken in context
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previous work.
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February 18th, 2009 at 6:51 pmReprehenible to publish a violent, hateful, racist cartoon like this. Freedom of speech includes newspapers depicting a racist image alluding to the assassination of the president? If the answer is yes, then they take absolutre responsibility for any violence their cartoon incurs. Trashy, tabloid crap from the NY Post, but what else do they spew? Repub propaganda for historians to highlight.
February 18th, 2009 at 7:11 pmAl Sharpton just laid it out on Countdown.
What he said cannot be refuted.
There was no reason to use a Monkey. The monkey shooting had nothing to do with the stimulus, and there was nothing humorous about it considering a monkey had just been shot to death during a brutal attack on a woman.
There was just no reason to tie a monkey, a dead monkey, to anything to do with our president. While Congress wrote the bill, every newpaper, online article and pundit out there refers to it as “Obama’s Bill”.
Americans see the bill as President Obama’s bill, thus the cartoonist must have known that MOST Americans would conclude the monkey was intended to represent the President.
February 18th, 2009 at 8:28 pmIn fact, it was the press who called the Bill President Obama’s bill.
How many stories have we read over the last few weeks about “President Obama’s” bill? How many AP stories and Reuters stories referred to the bill as the President’s victory, or the President’s bill?
No reasonable person could conclude that the average American would not associate the bill with the President since the media’s been presenting it to them as his.
Thus, the New York Post must have known that the average American would conclude they were talking about the President in this cartoon.
Particularly given all the “monkey” references we’ve been subjected to over the past year.
They knew what they were doing, and I hope Al Sharpton kicks their ass.
February 18th, 2009 at 8:58 pmWaynebro, I agree with you completely on both comments (#332/333.)
I didn’t hear about the chimp attack story until Wayne told me when I got home from work. Shortly afterward, Tweety showed the “cartoon” on Hardball. Before seeing the “punch line” in the balloon, I already questioned what could possibly make this funny. My first visceral reaction after reading it was “Oh my god – he’s making a racist joke plainly showing a dead, bullet-ridden chimp as President Obama? And if that wasn’t the cartoonist’s intention, then WTF was? I’m totally confused, and the cartoonist’s own ‘explanation’ that the dead chimp wasn’t President Obama, and referring to Nancy Pelosi’ doesn’t help us understand exactly what he is trying to portray. Also, he has to realize that not everyone seeing it is aware of the chimp attack incident, so was he counting on only the tri-state area (NY/NJ/CT) would see it? Anyone who had not been aware of the chimp attack would be seriously wondering ‘why the dead chimp?” The whole thing, no matter what way you look at it, is disturbing at the very least.
And, as others have said here, there was nothing funny about the chimp attack itself. It goes without saying that no one should keep a chimp as a pet. Some here have mentioned that ‘it served the owner right’, and in my mind that would be true if the owner had been attacked, but it was the owner’s friend who was attacked and is now in critical condition. Just wanted to clarify that.
Wayne and I also discussed what we thought our reaction would have been if this ‘cartoon’ had been published 6 months ago by a liberal-leaning cartoonist/paper, with 8 years of ‘Chimpy” references in mind. We honestly believe that we would have been similarly outraged. It’s just wrong.
February 18th, 2009 at 9:37 pmThis cartoon is, literally, wrong on so many levels. Does anyone have the paper’s owner’s reaction? (Rupert Murdoch)
February 18th, 2009 at 10:42 pmThis remidns me of the time when rev Sharp an Rev Jax got so PO’ed and outraged about the racism when Condi Rice was portrayed as Aunt Jemima and a Blackbird in a cage. I think she was even reffered to as Bush’es house monkey. Actually the REV’s were dead silent. But of course—there is no such thing thing as racism when applied by libs to conservatives. Go Gettum Al. Go Gettum Jessee.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:14 pmerfBlatz Says:
This remidns me of the time when rev Sharp an Rev Jax got so PO’ed and outraged about the racism when Condi Rice was portrayed as Aunt Jemima and a Blackbird in a cage. I think she was even reffered to as Bush’es house monkey. Actually the REV’s were dead silent. But of course—there is no such thing thing as racism when applied by libs to conservatives. Go Gettum Al. Go Gettum Jessee.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
When did that happen? Seriously. Maybe I don’t view the same news media as you. When was Rice portrayed that way, and by whom? Can you give us specific names of papers, cartoonists, whatever? Thanks.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:20 pmOK Here is a link to three racist cartoons, one by Jeff Danziger, one by Thomas olaphant (the Black Bird though not in a cage) and one by Gary Trudeau. The blogger basically explains them away giving only Oliphants a rating of boarderline racism.
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/11/20/racist-cartoons-of-condoleezza-rice/
A Madison DJ Named Sly Sylvyster refferred to Rice as Aunt Jemima. He apologised to blacks but not to rice. He called Colon Powel an Uncle Tom.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/3943395/detail.html
Three is a referencr to Rice as as Bushes Porch Monkey in this blog. It is rather obscure.
http://www.dibsblog.com/index.php?s=oprah
The cartoons and the DJ were blatant. In Madison, there was comdemnation of DJ Sylvester But the NCAAP biggies were nowhere to be found. There is truely a double standard. There are many more examples form past campaigns, the way Clarence Thomas was treated etc, But it all gets explained away or ignored. Whats the point? Any objective person can see it.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:09 amSorry the links didn’t show up. here they are. im kind of new at this technology stuff If this doesn’t work ill try again
Cartoons
Aunt Jemima
the porch monkey
February 19th, 2009 at 12:18 am
OK–just google Condoleezza Rice and Racist cartoons, Aunt Jemima, and Porch Monkey.
Im not going to try to figure this out now. i could wind up using up all your space. sorry
February 19th, 2009 at 12:23 amThe cartoon goes beyond racist and into another category, a very serious category such the assassination of a US president.
Will say it again:
February 19th, 2009 at 12:49 am
I have no doubt of the “BS” part, but how does an educated person spew such nonsense? Ah, I see…..the culprit…..a small private, religious school…..eh?
LOL
February 19th, 2009 at 8:44 amIn the case of this cartoon, it is important to remember the sensitivity of racism and how many ideas can be conceived as racist, even if they are not. Journalists sometimes take freedom of the press to mean that they do not have to think before they act and are therefore not responsible for the backlash of a bad choice. Whether Sean Delonis meant it as a racially charged metaphor or not, the use of the monkey in his parody was entirely inappropriate.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:58 amWang111 Says:she’s batshit crazy.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pmNY Post’s Racist Ape Cartoon Is No Small Matter
By Phillip Atiba Goff, Miller-McCune.com. Posted February 19, 2009.
Persistent simian stereotypes tagged to blacks are not mere small and unimportant post-racial leftovers of the bad old days, argues a UCLA psychology professor.
Though much of the reaction to the cartoon has been outrage at the implication that our 44th president is remotely simian, there have been other messages in the blogosphere as well. A few pleaded with us to see reason in this post-Obama era. They begged us to understand that the cartoonist clearly meant to impugn congress, Wall Street executives and academic economists and that there was no racial subtext to the piece. Others saw the cartoon as racist but declined to become outraged. Saw the injustice in the image, but saw it as a minor injustice, not one worth worrying too much about. After all, having a black president means that America is post-racial and does not need to worry about petty things like harmless pictures in a paper.
The messages in my inbox mirrored the commentaries I saw online. A few (though not many) defending the cartoon. Many more exasperated with indifference. All of them insisted this was a little thing.
The best science available suggests otherwise.
For the better part of the past seven years, my colleagues and I have conducted research on the psychological phenomenon of dehumanization. Specifically, we have examined cognitive associations between African Americans and non-human apes. And the association leads to bad things. When we began the research, we were skeptical of whether or not participants even knew that people of African descent were caricatured as ape-like — as less than human — throughout the better part of the past 400 years. And, in fact, many were not. However, even those who were unaware of this historical association demonstrated a cognitive association between blacks and apes. That is, when they thought of apes, they thought of blacks and vice versa — when they thought of blacks, they thought of apes.
Most disturbing of all, however, was a study of media coverage and the death penalty. Looking at a sample of death-eligible cases in Philadelphia from 1979 to 1999, the more that media coverage used ape-like metaphors to describe a murder trial (i.e. “urban jungle,” “aping the suspects behavior,” etc.) the more likely black suspects, but not white suspects were to be put to death.
Not surprisingly, black suspects were much more likely to be described in ape-like terms. And they were more frequently executed by the state.
Similar psychological mechanisms of discrimination are at work in the bloated incarceration rates of young black men, the trenchant educational achievement gap between blacks and whites, and the racial bias evidenced in law enforcement officer’s use of force. Though some are demonstrating leadership towards equality, we find that many of our nation’s oldest racial shames have persisted into a period when a black person can reasonably aspire to the highest office in the land.
I mention these depressing findings because it is tempting to ignore them in the wake of President Obama’s inauguration — to downplay the significance of “isolated events” of bigotry and “harmless words or pictures.” But precisely because the dream of post-raciality is seductive for so many, it is all the more important that we not forget that cartoons like the one in today’s New York Post are never isolated-and consequently, never harmless.
Today’s Post cartoon is not far removed from the “Curious George” Obama sock puppet, a “Curious George” Obama T-shirt, a Japanese advertisement depicting Obama as a monkey, and countless other Obama/monkey comparisons that cropped up throughout the year-long Democratic primary and presidential campaigns. Psychological science has long known that words and pictures, far from harmless, can be the very instruments of dehumanization necessary for collective violence-regardless of how innocently they are intended.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/1…o_small_matter/
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