Rush: I’m No Coward On Race, I Stood Up To Media’s ‘Slavish Coverage Of Black Quarterbacks’
Rush: I’m No Coward On Race, I Stood Up To Media’s ‘Slavish Coverage Of Black Quarterbacks’
Yesterday, Attorney General Eric Holder said that the U.S. has acted as a “nation of cowards” when it comes to discussing the sometimes “awkward and painful” issue of race relations. Today on his radio show, however, conservative talker Rush Limbaugh rejected Holder’s view claiming, “I, El Rushbo, am no coward. … I show bravery on race” by standing up to the media’s “slavish coverage of black quarterbacks”:
LIMBAUGH: I, El Rushbo, am no coward. … In fact, I show bravery on race. I am totally willing to discuss it openly and honestly. How does one show bravery on race as I have? You talk about media bias, you talk about slavish media coverage of Black quarter backs in the National Football League. Then see what happens. Then watch all hell descend upon you from every quarter of this nation’s media. From print to broadcast to internet. … I show bravery on matters of race.
Watch it:
Limbaugh is clearly still bitter about the fact that he was forced to resign from his position as an ESPN commentator in 2003 for claiming that the media were only interested in Philadelphia Eagles Quarterback Donovan McNabb because he is black (despite the fact that McNabb has shown himself to be incredibly talented):
Sorry to say this, I don’t think he’s been that good from the get-go. I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve.
By citing the McNabb episode as a “brave” moment in the history of race-relations, Limbaugh actually reaffirmed Holder’s point. As Holder explained yesterday, discussions surrounding race and public policy in American society ought to be “nuanced, principled and spirited.” But too often, we leave the conversation to “those on the extremes who are not hesitant to use these issues to advance nothing more than their own, narrow self interest.”
The result is a de facto acceptance and even endorsement of Limbaugh’s repeated race-based outbursts and criticism of public officials who choose to speak out.
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LIMPBALLS IS A COWARD!!
February 19th, 2009 at 6:07 pmRevealing you racism is not the same as confronting it, El Rushbo… you’re still a coward.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:08 pmMany in this country just aren’t ready for a black president. Even after 8 years of a numbskull president. I think the GOP is scared of smart, accomplished people.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:08 pmupfront,
rush was an outstanding high school
football player. then one day he suffered
an injury. a pimple on his heinie forced him
to quit the game for ever.
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if it weren’t for that pimple he’d still
be playing.
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think about that.
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February 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pmOh good. Now we get to debunk the Rush-defending trolls who will try to claim he was right about McNabb.
This is always fun.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pmSince he has nothing of substance to spew about (normal) this lunatic continues to pick and choose any issue that he thinks he can get his down-home crowd of toothless, knuckle dragging neanderthals upset about today.
It hard to imagine limberger having anything of substance to say on any subject anytime and maybe that’s why he makes such a great Republican leader….
February 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pmjoe cantwell; you said “heinie”.
tee hee
February 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pmRush is a coward a racist and a boil on the butt of humanity. One of the most dispicable human beings imaginable. In a just world Rush would be flipping burgers in East LA.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pmWhy are the Pig or Culter still pretending to be relevant?
Be clear RepuBillys that Pig-Baugh and Culter have (0) zero education or actual experience in Politics, Government, Economics, Civics, Medical or Military services or operations
Pig-Baugh and Culter actual talents:
* Lying (Daily RNC talking lies)
February 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pm* Pretending (to be important, knowledged or experienced)
* Exploiting (being paid without qualifications is fraud)
Gee, ever wonder why sportscasters thought black quarterbacks were newsworthy?
It is pretty obvious.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:12 pmRush is just equation failure with success on this one.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI know of two kinds of republicans, those who know they’re racist and those who don’t realize they’re racist.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:14 pm….equating failure
February 19th, 2009 at 6:14 pmDon’t follow football, but a quick look at this guy’s record sez he’s a phenomenal, record-holding quarterback.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:16 pmwell, i just heard matt tiebbi (sp?) say he wondered if holder was smoking a bong, some of the things he said… concerning holder’s opinion that nothing has changed…
‘course , it was matt taibbi… who is great, but given to, what is it? hyperbole? at least in this case…
February 19th, 2009 at 6:17 pmoh, on hardball without matthews
February 19th, 2009 at 6:18 pmHe’s not a coward because he is a racist? Does that mean that the KKK are the bravest among us?
My God has a tear opened in the universe or something? These people exceed any reasonable definition of bizarre.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:19 pmThis guy is amazingly exasperating.
I’ll just leave it at that (and continue to try and ignore him — wish the repubs could do the same — he would be finished for good).
February 19th, 2009 at 6:19 pmMediamatters catches El Rushbo misquoting the president.
And guess what?
The misquotation is spun negatively by Rush. No one could have predicted that.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:19 pmSure you are Rush – don’t underestimate yourself, buddy.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:20 pmlook at that guy, just look at him.
let this video be a warning to others:
this is what you get when you have
nothing but fig newtons and cream
soda for lunch every day!
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what a horrible example of race relations
and diet, exercise and nutrition.
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February 19th, 2009 at 6:21 pm(ralph looks at watch)
Say… isn’t it about time for the nightshift trolls to clock in? Or is my watch fast?
February 19th, 2009 at 6:23 pmi should add that i came in at the tail end of that conversation, so it could be spot on, but i thought if=t sounded extreme, even for m.t.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:23 pmUmmm , Rush
Uttering something racist and stupid (like you did) , is not a sign of “bravery” , assbag……
It’s simply a sign that you’re racist and stupid ….Get it ?
February 19th, 2009 at 6:26 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
(ralph looks at watch)
Say… isn’t it about time for the nightshift trolls to clock in? Or is my watch fast?
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no i guess that robertson dude
scared ‘em all off.
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he’s a powerful preacher.
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February 19th, 2009 at 6:27 pmRush: “I show bravery on matters of race.”
– - Uh huh, you’re a regular Martin Luther King, El Rushbo.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:27 pmColeman’s (R) “Expert Witness,” King Banaian, was Denied the Oppurtunity to Testify by the Election Contest Court:
http://voteforamerica.net/editorials/Comments.aspx?ArticleId=223&ArticleName=Banaian%27s+Testimony+Denied
February 19th, 2009 at 6:29 pmY’know… it’s been my experience that if you have to declare how brave or smart or great you are, you’re probably trying to convince others of something you don’t believe yourself.
In other words, if you have to say it about yourself, it probably ain’t true.
And what do Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, et. al. have in common, besides their reactionary regressive politics? Why, they all seem to delight in proclaiming themselves “brave” or “fair” or “great”.
Just an observation.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pmTime to boycott sponsors of Rush, Hannity and Savage
February 19th, 2009 at 6:36 pmLIMBAUGH the Dominican Republic Boy Prostitute user and drug addict says…
… I show bravery on matters of race, I love me some of those little brown boys.
Well, as far as being a brave racist and bigot goes…
…you hide behind a mic, Fcukhead.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:37 pmnellre Says:
Time to boycott sponsors of Rush, Hannity and Savage
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given the current economic climate
that strategy has more power than
you might imagine.
:)
February 19th, 2009 at 6:39 pmBuckie Boy Says:
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LIMBAUGH the Dominican Republic Boy Prostitute user and drug addict says…
… I show bravery on matters of race, I love me some of those little brown boys.
Well, as far as being a brave racist and bigot goes…
…you hide behind a mic, Fcukhead.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
They actually make microphones the size of dirigibles or small planets ?
February 19th, 2009 at 6:44 pmPlease Rush, keep talking. You and your opinions are everything America ran from in the past 2 elections. Please keep up the great work. Never thought you’d be a change agent for the Democrats, but you are doing fine. You are the poster child of everything that is wrong with the Republican Party. Same old tired ideas, same old tired hate, same old tired racism, same old tired hypocrisy.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:49 pmThose who loudly proclaim their bravery are usually the ones shitting themselves every time someone yells boo.
BOO!!!
February 19th, 2009 at 6:54 pmot,
victory for the gray lady.
:)
February 19th, 2009 at 6:55 pmActually I’d say it has been the mass media who have been cowards at discussing anything of import with appropriate discipline, and thus also the politicians via their media dependence who represent the nation in public.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:58 pmRushbo is really brave-hiding behind his maid to score some drugs, getting out of the service during Vietnam for a cyst. What a shining example of manhood. Rush please keep it up, the Democrats will only get stronger.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:58 pmY;all need to go fight the good fight on Yahoo Buzz, which has been taken over by Dittoheads. I’ve never seen a worse collection of racist, ignorant SOBs that wasn’t a right-wing blog. They “thumb down” (and therefore hide) any comment that isn’t lock step with their “nobama is a marxist” rhetoric. Click the Yahoo Buzz on any political news story on Yahoo to see what I mean. your voices are needed!
February 19th, 2009 at 7:00 pmThat’s ok, Finn – they can have it. Keeping them all in one place circlejerking together is a-ok imho.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:06 pmtombaker Says:
That’s ok, Finn – they can have it. Keeping them all in one place circlejerking together is a-ok imho.
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i agree.
keep ‘em corralled.
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February 19th, 2009 at 7:13 pmLying fat fck pus gut druggy. Gets his nut pissing in the open mouths of dittohead trolls.
And even more disgusting, they love it.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:14 pmI disagree tombaker! Sites like Yahoo reach millions of people and it didn’t used to be over run with wing-nuts. Their ignorance is likely to spread.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:18 pmas far as the speech lush wants to hear from OBAMA, about what he LIKES about this country – evidently lush hasn’t been listening… OBAMA has been talking about all that for years…
February 19th, 2009 at 7:19 pmFinn Says:
I disagree tombaker! Sites like Yahoo reach millions of people and it didn’t used to be over run with wing-nuts. Their ignorance is likely to spread.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
This site reaches millions as well, Finn. Bill O’Reilly wouldn’t be harping on ThinkProgress if he wasn’t worried.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:21 pmand here’s pat buchanan pushing his “no one has done more for” the races, in the last 50 years, than the USA…
holder has got the bigots all atwitter!
February 19th, 2009 at 7:23 pmBut you’re preaching to the choir here Zooey (minus a few trolls). Yahoo, reaches a broader audience.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:24 pmFinn Says:
But you’re preaching to the choir here Zooey (minus a few trolls). Yahoo, reaches a broader audience.
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never been there myself.
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February 19th, 2009 at 7:26 pmwhy do I get the feeling Finn is inviting me to an ambush?
if so, that’s funny – it’s all words on a screen – means little at the end of the day.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:31 pmwal mart reaches a pretty broad audience too, but you won’t catch me there.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:33 pmSquush says: How does one show bravery on race as I have? You talk about media bias, you talk about slavish media coverage of Black quarter backs in the National Football League. Then see what happens.
My hero! Such courage! Such elan! Such insouciance in the face of danger! Such je ne sais quois!
The day that ANYONE truly considers a fat-assed racist, a militant ignoramus, a pulsating pustule of purulence, as an example of ANYTHING other than p*ss-poor-protoplasm is the day that I REEEEELY begin to worry about the definition of courage.
And actually, I DO “sais quois”: he’s a limp-sticked, lard-bellied, lolloping lunatic who battens on the misfortunes of others. As a physician friend used to say, “He’s a real prince–that’s P-R-I-C-K, prince–of a man.”
February 19th, 2009 at 7:33 pmtombaker Says:
why do I get the feeling Finn is inviting me to an ambush?
if so, that’s funny – it’s all words on a screen – means little at the end of the day.
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probably because you’ve
never heard of him before.
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i know i haven’t.
finn, just who the heck
are you anyway?
:)
February 19th, 2009 at 7:34 pmWhen Rush talked down about Donovan McNabb he bent over, grabbed his ankles and the ESPN producers punted his lard ass off cable.
Rush can claim to make “stands”, but the lines of those battles retreat south, much like that of the fat apron on his belly.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:34 pmI’m so glad Limba is becoming a lesson for all to learn from. In the right context he can become the shining example of what not to become.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:36 pmtombaker Says:
wal mart reaches a pretty broad audience too, but you won’t catch me there.
You mean in six months when they offer both female and male prostitutes at half price, you won’t partake? :)
February 19th, 2009 at 7:38 pmFinn Says:
But you’re preaching to the choir here Zooey (minus a few trolls). Yahoo, reaches a broader audience.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
This is a period of time when the trolls have retreated under their bridges for replenishment of their piss and spittle stores. In other words, a lovely time where the adults can have some reasonable discussion.
Maybe you should let Yahoo go, and hang around here.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:40 pmAll I can say is: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
February 19th, 2009 at 7:42 pmWish I could send him the laughing banana video.
He couldn’t go one show whithout exsposing his racism. Good Lord, he’s just like Sarah, he just doesn’t realize how clueless he is, thank FSM.
who am I? just words on a screen apparently…
and I come here for analysis all the time, but since I have yahoo email I tend to egt my AP/Reuters news feeds from Yahoo. That’s when I noticed all the right wingers there on the Buzz section. I wonder if Rush was advocating that his flock go there? ‘Cause it didn’t used to be like that.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:47 pmFinn Says:
who am I? just words on a screen apparently…
and I come here for analysis all the time, but since I have yahoo email I tend to egt my AP/Reuters news feeds from Yahoo. That’s when I noticed all the right wingers there on the Buzz section. I wonder if Rush was advocating that his flock go there? ‘Cause it didn’t used to be like that.
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speaking of rush,
what do you think of his comments?
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February 19th, 2009 at 7:50 pmWhere is Rush’s oldie-but-goodie rants against affirmative action? Rush trying to balladeer him and the GOP as the new wave MLK’s was some funny stuff.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:51 pmhis comments? as with everything he says: duplicitous, disingenuous, a load of crap essentially. He’s just a businessman making a mint off of the ignorant. Rush is a coward because he stays in his little radio show world. Any time he has tried a broader audience, he gets spanked.
February 19th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThis druggie belongs in jail!
February 19th, 2009 at 7:58 pmEl Rush-ho is more like it.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:09 pmFinn Says:
his comments? as with everything he says: duplicitous, disingenuous, a load of crap essentially. He’s just a businessman making a mint off of the ignorant. Rush is a coward because he stays in his little radio show world. Any time he has tried a broader audience, he gets spanked.
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that’s true.
visually speaking rush
is not a pleasant sight to behold.
^
February 19th, 2009 at 8:09 pmOf course you do, dan.
Only problem is, no one made that argument.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:18 pmWhile a lot of black athletes are naturally talented I agree there is a huge bias against white players.
Yeah, I can’t think of a single white football star who receives media attention, especially at quarterback… oh wait, yes I can.
But none have ever been overhyped by the media, oh wait.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:18 pmLTdan Says:
While a lot of black athletes are naturally talented I agree there is a huge bias against white players.
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dan thank god you’re here
i thought they had you under
“observation” again.
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btw, how do you type with
that white hood over your head?
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February 19th, 2009 at 8:22 pmI personally think Rush fooled everyone on this.
Rush Limbaugh was totally out of his place on MFL.
I think it was only a matter of time before he was dumped for all the right reasons and he cooked up this whole Donovan McNabb bullshite as a way to save face.
Instead of getting canned for being irrelevant, he got to go out claiming he was just too hot to handle.
Screw the Fat man’s “racism” BS. It was just show business.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:25 pmFinn says:
Any time he has tried a broader audience, he gets spanked.
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Him and Michael Savage/Weiner too. All an audience has to do is actually SEE the face that goes w/ that voice, and they’re gone…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:28 pmActually, for most of the 20th century, two groups that were in he forefront of integration in this country were athletes and musicians, and prolly a little more w/ musicians. (Think Ty Cobb…)
February 19th, 2009 at 8:31 pmQuick. Ltdum. Without using a google search engine, name 3 “black” hockey players….
Now, how’s that huge bias against white players again?
February 19th, 2009 at 8:33 pmSo dan admits he’s a hater.
Good enough for me.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:35 pmDRxJ, I can name two, but I gotta go back a ways…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:35 pmOnly in the province of Limbaughiastan in the realm of Wingnuttia can ignorance (about what constitutes football talent) and racism (by falsely claiming that the NFL was just exercising affirmative action with black quarterbacks) and stupidity (we are talking about Rush, after all; there are certain givens) by confused with bravery. But then again his audience are people whose thought bubbles have them as Rambo or Chuck Norris as they slouch on their couches watching idiot action movies.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:36 pmLTdan… I’m having a hard time seeing the bias against white players… can you point out a single instance where a player hasn’t gotten the attention he deserved because he was white?
Thanks.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pmLTdan Says:
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you’re a BIGOT
Wrong, I hate scumbags no matter what race they are. Including ones like YOU.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Yeah ……Except those in the GOP ……….
Obviously , you’re a liar , too
February 19th, 2009 at 8:39 pmralph, here you go
Please note number 5, Bernie Saunders. As a fan, I enjoyed watching him play for the Kalamazoo Wings of the now defunct IHL.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:44 pmIt’s too bad he never made it in the big leagues.
Trivia info: He’s related to ESPN’s John Saunders.
DRxJ Says:
Without using a google search engine, name 3 “black” hockey players….
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That’s not quite fair… do black guys even play hockey?
Okay… maybe a few. But HOCKEY?
I’d think the bigger issue is coaches and GMs…
My experience w/ athletes is that teams want to WIN so badly they’re pretty much color-blind when it comes to the players. They just want the best player out on the field. Only an absolute MORON would believe McNabb was out there because of affirmative action. Look at his stats.
Shi-ite… the WORST pro football quarterback is still a FAAAAR better athlete than 99% of us. Rush hosed ya all on that one.
McNabb should have just laughed at him and asked Rush “When was the last time ya saw the tops of yer own shoes,?”
February 19th, 2009 at 8:44 pmLTdan Says:
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DRxJ, it’s not my fault blacks arent tough enough for hockey.
belac, look at basketball. There are many extremely talented white players yet we hear about the same 3 black ones.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Name 1 white NBA player that is anywhere close to the level that Kobe or King James are on , or just shut the hell up ……
February 19th, 2009 at 8:44 pmbelac, look at basketball. There are many extremely talented white players yet we hear about the same 3 black ones.
’cause no one’s heard of Steve Nash?
February 19th, 2009 at 8:45 pmLTdan Says:
belac, look at basketball. There are many extremely talented white players yet we hear about the same 3 black ones.
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That’s not true.
If there was a white player making the impact of Kobe or LeBron, you’d hear about it.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:46 pmI remember that Bird guy was fairly popular as well…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:46 pmbelac Says:
Detlef Schrempf used to get a fair amount of ink here in Seattle…
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Pretty good player in his time…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:47 pmDetlef Schrempf used to get a fair amount of ink here in Seattle…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:47 pmbelac Says:
I remember that Bird guy was fairly popular as well…
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Yup… sports is all about WINNING. When Bird won, he was noticed. When Jordan won, he was noticed. Dirk Nowitzki has great numbers, but rings? NADA…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:48 pmDang… I just time travelled.
Cool.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:49 pmLtdum says something stupid about blacks not tough enough for the NHL.
Care to say that to Grier’s face?
February 19th, 2009 at 8:49 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
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belac Says:
I remember that Bird guy was fairly popular as well…
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Yup… sports is all about WINNING. When Bird won, he was noticed. When Jordan won, he was noticed. Dirk Nowitzki has great numbers, but rings? NADA…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Ain’t gonna’ win any rings playing that old “matador” defense like Dirk does ……………
OLE’ !!!!!!!!!
February 19th, 2009 at 8:50 pmwho are these same 3 black ones Ltdum keeps spouting off?
February 19th, 2009 at 8:50 pmStill waiting for that player who is ignored BECAUSE they are white…
February 19th, 2009 at 8:51 pmLTdan Says:
DRxJ, it’s not my fault blacks arent tough enough for hockey.
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That’s just silly.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:51 pmLTDAN – you couldn’t hang for 5 minutes in the High School variant of ANY sport.
all this constant talking-out-your-ass has the whole place reeking of fart.
you are an embarrassment to your every ancestor.
quit while you’re behind.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:51 pmLet’s see some slavish coverage of your addiction to dusky third-world child prostitutes, Limpy. Viagra-Ho!
February 19th, 2009 at 8:52 pmMCMetal Says:
Ain’t gonna’ win any rings playing that old “matador” defense like Dirk does ……………
OLE’ !!!!!!!!!
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And in the end… it’s all about the rings… THAT’S what everyone really notices.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:52 pmHey, who’s that white guy that plays for the Spurs? Ginobla, or something similar?
He never gets any press, unlike Mr. Eva Longera.
/snark
February 19th, 2009 at 8:54 pmNow I can point to athletes who’ve been overlooked ’cause they are black, who’ve been told they could never be any good ’cause they’re black
That last one still hears it even after winning the driver’s championship in his SECOND year! And coming within a point of winning in his rookie season!
Where’s your overlooked white guy, LTdan?
February 19th, 2009 at 8:55 pmIf a black man walked up to LittleTurd he’d crap his pants.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:59 pmRush: I’m No Coward On Race, I Stood Up To Media’s ‘Slavish Coverage Of Black Quarterbacks’
Rush couldn’t stand up without an overhead crane.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:00 pm#78
rec. I couldn’t have said it better.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:05 pmDidnt (R)Allen just talk about how when he played football race didnt matter?
El Rushbo [I cant believe he calls himself that] get over yourself.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:06 pmI applaud Holders call for more dialogue.
But, if we are going to be open, we have to be open to things that we disagree with and with things that are uncomfortable to talk about.
Open dialogue doesn’t mean we are going to devote more time to one side of an agenda. It means a frank discussion of what’s on peoples minds of every side of a topic.
I don’t think we can call people cowards for not talking about race, while we are making a concerted effort to shut down someone for talking frankly about race.
We may not agree with Rush, but are we really being open, or courageous, if we are only allowing conversations that match our sensibilities?
If we try to shut down those with questions about race, does the sentiment go away or just underground?
February 19th, 2009 at 9:06 pmIm not brainwashed to think all black people are tough like you liberal bed wetters are. -=Ltdan=-
Shouldnt you be out on a shrimp boat yelling at the heavens?
February 19th, 2009 at 9:11 pmI guess it is pretty “brave” to be openly bigoted, in that most people will point out that you’re a bigot and shun you, which is probably not fun. But by that logic, it’s also brave to be a serial killer.
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LTdan Says:
While a lot of black athletes are naturally talented I agree there is a huge bias against white players.
Can you cite any instances of specific white players against whom there has been such a bias? Or how such a bias would benefit anyone? I can’t think of a single case in the history of sport.
And the whole point behind sports is that it is as meritocratous as anything can get: either you win, or you don’t. The only possible bias is your own ability.
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LTdan Says:
DRxJ, it’s not my fault blacks arent tough enough for hockey.
However, it is your fault that you believe such a thing. In case you’re wondering why people call you a bigot, let’s examine that for a moment. You just said that the statistical underrepresentation of black people in hockey is due to their inherent lack of “toughness.” That’s a bigoted statement. See, you’re taking an entire race, and disparaging them with a blanket statement.
That’s how we can tell you’re a bigot, because you say bigoted things. If you want us to stop pointing out that you’re a bigot, stop being a bigot.
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LTdan Says:
belac, look at basketball. There are many extremely talented white players yet we hear about the same 3 black ones.
What, do you want a racial fairness doctrine now? Quotas? Fact is, whoever wins the most, gets the most ink. That’s how it is. That’s how it has always been. That’s sports.
I could just as well argue that white players get slightly more attention than they deserve, based solely on their win percentages and stats. Many white sports fans hope that white players will do well. There’s even a well-known phrase for exactly that phenomenon: the “great white hope.”
February 19th, 2009 at 9:11 pmLTdan Says:
…liberal bed wetters…
You’re a poopy pants!
Is this the sort of thing that passes as reasoned debate for you people?
February 19th, 2009 at 9:14 pmAs USUAL LittleTurd, you missed the point. As progressives we believe black people are just like white people. Get it? You’re the racist who thinks they have an unfair advantage and are keeping the white man down. What a moron.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:16 pmLtdum says:
Yeah…….not. Im not brainwashed to think all black people are tough like you liberal bed wetters are.
I’m not sure, but I think Ltdum just “slammed” Daryll.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:21 pm“Bedwetters”, huh? Who is crying about gays and Moslems destroying their way of life?
February 19th, 2009 at 9:21 pmSee what a racist you are. You say black athletes are naturally talented. Well maybe, or maybe they just work harder. Then you say that they’re not tough enough to play hockey. Apparently you have no idea how expensive it is for a child to play hockey and how few and far between hockey rinks are and how far these kids travel. Kind of hard if two parents are working. You are so wrong on so many levels.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:23 pmLTdum Says:
Are the majority of whites in jail? didnt think so.
Are the majoriety of whites jailed for the same crime as a black? Nope, didn’t think so.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:24 pmGood thing you’re not racist dirtbag. But the majority of black people aren’t in jail either.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:25 pmbackup Says:
I applaud Holders call for more dialogue.
But, if we are going to be open, we have to be open to things that we disagree with and with things that are uncomfortable to talk about.
Open dialogue doesn’t mean we are going to devote more time to one side of an agenda. It means a frank discussion of what’s on peoples minds of every side of a topic.
I don’t think we can call people cowards for not talking about race, while we are making a concerted effort to shut down someone for talking frankly about race.
We may not agree with Rush, but are we really being open, or courageous, if we are only allowing conversations that match our sensibilities?
If we try to shut down those with questions about race, does the sentiment go away or just underground?
Should we have neo-Nazis invited to give their opinions in major roundtables on relevant issues? UFO nuts? At some point, you’ve got to decide that a certain “side of the debate” is too fringe to get to participate in serious, adult discussions on the subject. You’ve got to draw the line somewhere, between valid opinions and invalid assertions that have no place in modern society.
If someone is saying bigoted things, it adds to the substance of the debate to point out the bigotry. It does not detract from it.
Racism is not “a side” of a substantive “debate.” There isn’t some controversy over whether African-Americans should be treated with the same level of respect that we afford everyone else.
What you’re doing here is called “concern-trolling.” By your argument, if someone believes that women are worthless subhumans who should be beaten and treated as property, I shouldn’t strongly oppose the validity of such views, because there should be a “frank discussion of all sides.” Or, we could put Charles Manson on Frontline, because they’re talking about violence in America, and he has a “unique perspective that shouldn’t be shouted down.”
Nobody’s shutting Rush up, he has plenty of listeners. But we are going to point out that he is a bigot, and that the things he is saying are bigoted. We have no less right to say that than he does to make his bigoted statements to begin with.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:25 pmAfter re-reading this dum bass post:
Are the majority of whites in jail? didnt think so,
I would just like to say….duh!
Jailed individuals make up a MINORITY of the general population, so your statement is flawed.
Are the majority of blacks jailed? No
February 19th, 2009 at 9:28 pmAre the majority of whites jailed? No.
Are the majority of cross dressing skinheads jailed? No.
Does DRxJ believe that LTdum IS a cross dressing, black fearing skinhead? Yes.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:31 pmLTdan Says:
Shayne, yes they are.
No, the majority of black people are not in jail. The majority of people in jail are black. Go think about the difference for a while.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:37 pmElbruce. you make a good point, but how controversial are Rush’s views on race.
Rush makes the claim that McNabb had media interest because he is black.
Is that somehow comparable to Nazi’s, UFO nuts, Charles Manson?
How controversial would it be if a black man made a claim that a white man got something, just because he’s white?
Is that also kooky sentiment that we should ignore?
February 19th, 2009 at 9:37 pmWell, I must admit that people who want to deal with your garden variety racism need to be able to talk about it without someone screaming in their face every time they reveal one of their racist ideas–if they sincerely want to examine and change the way they think. But that’s a special forum that needs moderation or a one-on-one with someone who is patient and not damning. Popping off with racist comments on most threads is fair game.
Even hard cases aren’t hopeless. I once had a talk with a skin-head, who ended up with his head in his hands genuinely asking himself why he harbored such harsh feelings toward blacks. You could tell it was painful for him, but he was really trying. If a person feels damned already, they have little incentive to change. I find that most racists have grown up racist, and their family may see challenges to their racist ideas as a betrayal. I often wondered why I’m not racist. My guess is that I just stopped trusting my parents’ judgment at a young age and was determined to learn from experience.
People who want to hurt people are a whole different animal.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:42 pmbackup Says:
Elbruce. you make a good point, but how controversial are Rush’s views on race.
Rush makes the claim that McNabb had media interest because he is black.
Given a long history of pundits and politicians disguising extreme racist sentiments by trying to slip them through into civic discourse, it’s the sort of thing we might want to watch out for. One would look at the history of statements made by a particular person, and Rush has a long history of saying just such things.
But let’s look at the McNabb thing: he was obviously getting good press because he was doing well. There’s no reason to think that his positive press was due to his race, unless you feel that regardless of his season stats and wins, he still didn’t deserve the attention. In other words, why start talking about race? Why inject race into the conversation? The only explanation I can think of is that the speaker is racist. And in doing so, he turns a completely neutral discussion about sports into a discussion about race. Which is what racists do.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:58 pmbackup
never addresses dan
in any of his windy comments
here. one must ask, what kind
selective of dialogue is that?
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poor, pious
hypocrite.
backup.
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he is indeed tp’s leading
concern troll.
;)
February 19th, 2009 at 10:04 pmLTdan Says:
You are without a doubt the stupidest piece of racist garbage I have ever seen. You dont even try to make sense. You are a coward who knows he is far too ignorant to ever back up his moronic statements. You are a waste of precious oxygen. You make pondscum look evolved.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:07 pmLTdan Says:
you’re a BIGOT
Wrong, I hate scumbags no matter what race they are. Including ones like YOU.
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No he is not wrong. You ARE a bigot, as well as a moron, a punk and a cowardly piece of human debris. Everytime you come to this site the stench hangs in the air from your lack of decency. You are a disgrace. Morons everywhere are complaining about how bad and stupid you make them look. Why dont you at least TRY to be a decent human being.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:13 pmLTdan Says:
If a black man walked up to LittleTurd he’d crap his pants.
Yeah…….not. Im not brainwashed to think all black people are tough like you liberal bed wetters are.
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You are a liar and a fool. A TREMENDOUS coward and calling us bedwetters. You ignorant punk. So blacks DOMINATE in the NFL but arent tough enough for hockey? You ignorant racist herpes sore. I FLUSH things better than you every morning.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:17 pmLTdan Says:
Shayne, yes they are.
True or not, which it’s not, what do you hope to achieve out of that statement? Does making a disparaging statement about a minority group give you an adrenaline rush? Were we supposed to think of you as a better citizen?
February 19th, 2009 at 10:18 pmLTdan Says:
Shayne, yes they are.
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You are a liar and a fool. Ignorant beyond human comprehension. You disgrace our entire species. Just kill yourself. The world will just flat be a better place without you in it.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:20 pmSpeaking of incarceration, the neonuts like using taxpayer money to throw people in jail over a green plant (meredith jane), but will defend to the death the companies profiting off the 30 million or so hooked on tobacco leaves + nicotine.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:23 pmMcWars Says:
Speaking of incarceration, the neonuts like using taxpayer money to throw people in jail over a green plant (meredith jane), but will defend to the death the companies profiting off the 30 million or so hooked on tobacco leaves + nicotine.
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the peanut butter
hasn’t been so great
lately either.
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February 19th, 2009 at 10:26 pmRush probably wishes he studied a lot harder in school, because he could have been on the same cheer team a whole lot earlier at Yale with Dumbya.
That and the Skull & Bones society would have supplied him with all the little boys and plates of salmon & french fries he could ever want.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:29 pmSo true joe cantwell. And that peanut butter pr*ck isn’t in jail is he.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:29 pmMost glaring instance of Rush’s obsession with race: the 2006 democratic primary for senate between Sherrod Brown and Paul Hackett
“‘Maybe somebody in the party has figured this out. And don’t forget, Sherrod Brown is black. There’s a racial component here, too. And now, the newspaper that I’m reading all this from is The New York Times, and they, of course, don’t mention that. But — you know, ‘Democratic leaders say that Representative Sherrod Brown, a seven-term incumbent from Avon, has a far better chance of toppling Senator DeWine than does the — Hackett.’…..’Uh, Sherrod Brown’s a white guy? Then I’m confusing him with somebody. OK, I’m sorry. I thought Sherrod Brown was — I’m — I’m confusing him with somebody then. Must be somebody in New York has got a similar name.” Rush, referring to Sherwood Bohlert, a then 69yr old white guy.
That’d be Rush on race.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:33 pmwow – dan’s really throwin’ it all down on this one
very telling, his fixation on this topic.
bet he’s been over to stormfront.org more than a couple of times.
February 19th, 2009 at 10:44 pmtombaker Says:
wow – dan’s really throwin’ it all down on this one
very telling, his fixation on this topic.
bet he’s been over to stormfront.org more than a couple of times.
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good point, tom.
he really is off the rails
tonight. do you think
he scared our friend
backup off?
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February 19th, 2009 at 10:50 pmtombaker Says:
bet he’s been over to stormfront.org more than a couple of times.
Yeah, I’m thinking so. But just to make sure we’re clear, let’s hash over one of his more choice quotes from this very thread:
LTdan Says:
Are the majority of whites in jail? didnt think so.
As previously discussed, there’s a difference between the majority of blacks being in jail and the majority of people in jail being black. But that would still bring up the question of why black people are so disproportionately incarcerated. You’ve pretty much got three options to go for when approaching that question
1. Blame the justice system
2. Blame the conditions imposed on black people by society
3. Blame black people
In context of what he was responding to, LTDan clearly went for door number 3. He’s saying that there’s something inherent in blackness that makes someone be a criminal. That’s not just “soft bigotry,” like suspecting that a few stereotypes might be true. No, that’s about as extremely racist as it gets, right up there with your basic KKK or Aryan Nations ideology. I would not at all be surprised if LTDan had a swastika flag hanging in his bedroom. Which is something for people to think about the next time they consider taking his political opinions seriously.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:04 pmI read somewhere that Rush wanted to be a sportscaster, but for some reason, went into political radio instead. When he finally gets a break to be a commentator on ESPN, the first thing he does is make a political/racial issue out of Donovan McNabb, so he can score points with the anti-affirmative action crowd, and dance a little with the racist crowd.
So he screwed this one up. No one else.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:36 pmjoe.
I’m still around. (Just got my butt kicked in a card game by a girl). I’m sure you’ll understand that I didn’t really respond to LTdan because he wasn’t responding to me. I responded to ElBruce, because he directed a couple of comments to me. That’s normally how it works. But, since you suggest that I’m hypocritically ignoring LTdans comments, I went back and looked at what you were referring to; and agree the comments I saw (blacks aren’t tough enough to play hockey; and most blacks are in prison) sound racist to me.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:46 pmElBruce. That’s a great post around #139. I agree.
but, consider that Holder calls for more courageous dialogue. And LTDan obliges by saying what’s on his mind about race.
Do we challenge his premises and try to explain to him that they are wrong. Or do we call him a racist in an attempt to get him to stop saying what he’s saying?
On one hand, there is an argument that some behaviors should just not be condoned. On the other hand, there is jeopardy that simply calling that person a racist doesn’t do anything to really change the opinion, but only drives it underground.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:54 pmbut, consider that Holder calls for more courageous dialogue
No, he calls for us to be courageous in confronting racism… like Limbaugh, LTdan’s revealing his racism is nowhere near the same as LTdan confronting his racism.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:18 amWe don’t want to drive LTdan’s racism underground… we want him to confront it so he sees how wrong it and he are…
backup Says:
good point, tom.
he really is off the rails
tonight. do you think
he scared our friend
backup off?
joe.
I’m still around. (Just got my butt kicked in a card game by a girl). I’m sure you’ll understand that I didn’t really respond to LTdan because he wasn’t responding to me. I responded to ElBruce, because he directed a couple of comments to me. That’s normally how it works. But, since you suggest that I’m hypocritically ignoring LTdans comments, I went back and looked at what you were referring to; and agree the comments I saw (blacks aren’t tough enough to play hockey; and most blacks are in prison) sound racist to me.
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oh i see, you never speak
unless spoken to. and yet
you always address us without
invitation. you just go ahead and
do it. let’s stop the charade, shall we?
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if dan’s working out
your “southern strategy” for
you just admit and we can move on.
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otherwise let’s see you trowel off some
of your oowie goowie bromides on
his head for awhile. get a dialogue
going with him for a change. don’t you
think he and his fellow trolls needs as much
help (maybe even more) as we do?
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February 20th, 2009 at 12:20 ambackup Says:
but, consider that Holder calls for more courageous dialogue. And LTDan obliges by saying what’s on his mind about race.
Do we challenge his premises and try to explain to him that they are wrong. Or do we call him a racist in an attempt to get him to stop saying what he’s saying?
They sort of run together in my mind. I don’t want to get into a bunch of DNA bell-curve stuff to explain why bigotry is technically incorrect. That’s been widely done in public discourse, many many decades ago. I’m just going to slap a label on it and move on.
If Holder said we should talk about astronomy, that doesn’t mean I have to get into an extensive explanation of the solar system works with someone who believes the Earth is flat. I’m just going to call them a stupid flat-earther and move on.
Racists don’t change their minds. There’s no amount of evidence or logic that can get them to do so – at least not over the Internet. In fact, even though I typically use evidence and logic, I don’t actually seek to change the mind of people I argue with here. Rather, I hope to present a better case for an imagined third-party audience of lurkers. Some of those lurkers might be “on the fence” regarding certain issues, and may be tipped one way or the other based on the information given between the debaters. But when it comes to somebody being a racist bigot, there’s no need to revisit all of the arguments, seeing as how society has spent a lot of time and trouble going through them already, and has resolved the issue to most peoples’ satisfaction. There isn’t really any middle ground here to fight over.
What you’re saying here is that racist bigoted arguments deserve a soapbox and respect. I disrespectfully disagree.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:27 amElBruce Says:
backup Says:
but, consider that Holder calls for more courageous dialogue. And LTDan obliges by saying what’s on his mind about race.
Do we challenge his premises and try to explain to him that they are wrong. Or do we call him a racist in an attempt to get him to stop saying what he’s saying?
They sort of run together in my mind. I don’t want to get into a bunch of DNA bell-curve stuff to explain why bigotry is technically incorrect. That’s been widely done in public discourse, many many decades ago. I’m just going to slap a label on it and move on.
If Holder said we should talk about astronomy, that doesn’t mean I have to get into an extensive explanation of the solar system works with someone who believes the Earth is flat. I’m just going to call them a stupid flat-earther and move on.
Racists don’t change their minds. There’s no amount of evidence or logic that can get them to do so – at least not over the Internet. In fact, even though I typically use evidence and logic, I don’t actually seek to change the mind of people I argue with here. Rather, I hope to present a better case for an imagined third-party audience of lurkers. Some of those lurkers might be “on the fence” regarding certain issues, and may be tipped one way or the other based on the information given between the debaters. But when it comes to somebody being a racist bigot, there’s no need to revisit all of the arguments, seeing as how society has spent a lot of time and trouble going through them already, and has resolved the issue to most peoples’ satisfaction. There isn’t really any middle ground here to fight over.
What you’re saying here is that racist bigoted arguments deserve a soapbox and respect. I disrespectfully disagree.
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el bruce what you don’t understand
is that backup couches his arguments
in the same rhetoric of a john yoo, jay bybee
and the defense attorneys at nuremberg.
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he’s not here to stop rush limbaugh.
he’s here to stop you.
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February 20th, 2009 at 12:35 amHim and all of his aliases… nicely put, joe.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:39 amalpuz3,
i remember “captain mantastic’ too.
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February 20th, 2009 at 12:44 amsorry guys, had to catch my favorite liberal-fascist comedy tv shows. that alec baldwin is one funny mf – too bad he wasted so much time playing mainstream leading man parts.
anyhow i see dan’s font of unwisdom dried up, and none too soon – that’s some embarrassing sh*t he peddles.
if captain backup thinks he could counsel dan out of his wrongness, more power to him, but the two of them would need to find a better venue than this, and that should be apparent to captain backup, who knows we’re not here to function as a support group for recovering asshats.
guess we all knew that O’s election was going to let these cats out of their bags, and that’s got to be a good thing, even if for now it’s ugly as that Buttars bastard from Utah is.
too bad skinhead attitudes aren’t the worst problems in the USA right now. i had a friend jokingly advise that we all start picking out hobo names now, before all the good ones are taken.
the only upside to transient living in an abject economic disasterscape would be the off-chance of getting to run into a righty in a dark alley somewhere, and having the opportunity to finally “thank” one of them in the manner they so richly deserve, for utterly cocking up the land that we love.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:36 am.
(R)ush, the magic (R)acist…
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February 20th, 2009 at 2:13 amRush,
February 20th, 2009 at 3:34 amThere are many many white folk out here that do not care to claim you in their race.
Robt Says:
Rush,
There are many many white folk out here that do not care to claim you in their race.
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I dont even want to claim him in my SPECIES
February 20th, 2009 at 3:47 amRush needs to figure out that the Donovan McNabb thing was quite a few years ago. He got fired. He needs to move on.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:38 amThe GOP needs to figure out that the conservative thing was quite a few years ago. They got fired. They need to move on.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:07 amjoe. you’ve got a point here. I was wrong the other day. I apologize.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:53 amI understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.
But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot. I just don’t think that does much to change the individual’s mindset.
Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.
But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn’t address the root of the problems. Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.
Anyways, I know I’m outnumbered. So, I’ll let it go.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:01 amHow many times did Oxi-pillboy play BARACK THE MAGIC NEGRO on the air???
February 20th, 2009 at 11:48 ambackup Says:
I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.
But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot. I just don’t think that does much to change the individual’s mindset.
Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.
But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn’t address the root of the problems. Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.
Anyways, I know I’m outnumbered. So, I’ll let it go.
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it isn’t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).
we’ve seen “compassionate conservatism”.
we’ve had eight years of a “uniter not a divider”.
your soft soap doesn’t sell because it’s the same
product with a different label. and spare us your bogus
piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture
(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for
over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less
“difficult dialogue” (who writes your material?) from the likes
of you.
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February 20th, 2009 at 11:49 amjoe. Here’s Holder:
I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date. I believe it is difficult to be tolerant. Dialogue is a conversation between two people. Two people that can have two different views. A tolerant consideration of two significantly different views is a ‘difficult dialogue’. Insisting that your view is the only one, is an easy lecture. I don’t think Holder was calling for an easy national lecture on race. I think he was calling for more difficult ‘frank conversations’.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmbackup Says:
I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date.
What you consider this “dialogue” to be is the argument that we’ve all already been having since the early 60’s. Arguing with extremist bigots is not the same thing as productive discussion.
Please stop using Holder’s remarks as justification to give legitimacy to bigots.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pmElBruce. The problem may be that we too quickly chalk up differences of opinion to extreme bigotry.
I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.
Is that a legitimate possibility? That Republicans chose Steele as the chair, not because he is the most articulate and effective spokesman for republican ideals; but that he was given the job, because he was black?
If someone has that belief, do you try to stomp it out by calling that comment racist? Or do you engage in a conversation about Steele and his qualifications, the need for republicans to be more diverse, and the potential that we as a society are making judgements based on someone’s race.
I believe that stopping the conversation by chalking it up to racism, isn’t resolving the issues.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:35 pmThis racist druggie has the gall to hope that Obama failed, and then says that he is no racists? Give me a break, Limbaugh!
February 20th, 2009 at 1:35 pmhere’s my comment:
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it isn’t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).
we’ve seen “compassionate conservatism”.
we’ve had eight years of a “uniter not a divider”.
your soft soap doesn’t sell because it’s the same
product with a different label. and spare us your bogus
piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture
(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for
over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less
“difficult dialogue” (who writes your material?) from the likes
of you.
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here’s backup’s non-response:
backup Says:
joe. Here’s Holder:
“It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation’s history, this is in some ways understandable. And yet if we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another — and tolerant enough of each other — to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us.”
I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date. I believe it is difficult to be tolerant. Dialogue is a conversation between two people. Two people that can have two different views. A tolerant consideration of two significantly different views is a ‘difficult dialogue’. Insisting that your view is the only one, is an easy lecture. I don’t think Holder was calling for an easy national lecture on race. I think he was calling for more difficult ‘frank conversations’.
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backup’s idea of “dialogue”?
he controls the agenda. disagree?
read the original post. how much
of backup’s comments have been germane
to the original topic? it’s a concern trolls task to
derail the thread from that which threatens
the conservative movement’s leading voice.
that’s not dialogue.
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February 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pmbackup Says:
ElBruce. The problem may be that we too quickly chalk up differences of opinion to extreme bigotry.
I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.
Is that a legitimate possibility? That Republicans chose Steele as the chair, not because he is the most articulate and effective spokesman for republican ideals; but that he was given the job, because he was black?
If someone has that belief, do you try to stomp it out by calling that comment racist? Or do you engage in a conversation about Steele and his qualifications, the need for republicans to be more diverse, and the potential that we as a society are making judgements based on someone’s race.
I believe that stopping the conversation by chalking it up to racism, isn’t resolving the issues.
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this one’s easy.
prior to backup’s comment
no one here mentioned michael steele’s name.
so why did backup do it? to divert the subject
away from limbauh. troll work, not dialogue.
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pma comment from the post:
Security for the Bush family costing Dallas more than $1 million annually.
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BERT CONVY Says:
GAD! The Rapist and Chief and Her Thighness bought a mansion with the scam they did with the Secret Service after they carpetbagged their way into New York. We are actually paying for their palace and you demulous-porkulous-stimulus libby-loons are still throwing the mother of all hissy-fits about GW? Pull them panties out of that bunch and get over it.
*Yippie-Ki-Yay Democrappers
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and backup the concern troll has the
supernatural gall to lecture us about “dialogue”.
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pmHe is really full of himself. You can’t declare yourself full of high and mighty bravery! It’s for others to call you brave!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmbeing a racist too old for this world, if you are racist you are not belong in this world, be HUMAN.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:24 pmbackup Says:
I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.
Well, politics is all about opinion. It’s not like sports, where there’s the score, there’s who won, there’s who lost. In politics, whoever convinces you they won, wins. People identify themselves and others by race, among other things. Therefore, race is relevant to politics. It is not relevant to sports.
Here’s how you tell a token from a breakthrough achiever: ask yourself, is their achievement going to pave the way for other people of the same race/gender/etc in the future? In this case, it’s pretty certain that Michael Steele is only going to ever help one black man in his career: Michael Steele. Check this out:
Think about that. He doesn’t care about that country club’s policies because he, personally, isn’t interested in playing golf. Screw everybody else, and screw whether their policy is morally defensible or not.
Someone with a minority background who accepts promotions in a group that maintains policies disenfranchising the group he’s a member of, and who supports the system that disenfranchises everyone in that group except for him, is a token.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:49 amRush may be no coward on race, but Obama is.
Obama is a disgrace to black people.
Is Obama going to financially reward black Katrina victims for having been racially discriminated against by Bush?
Where is the money?
I don’t think Obama would have any problem, hypothetically, with slavery happening all over again.
Maybe one remembers that Kanye West said, “Bush doesn’t care about black people.”
We have uncovered something far more horrifying.
It is practically like Obama “doesn’t care about black people.” (And Obama is black.)
There are all sorts of personalities.
There actually are screwed up black people who secretly don’t like their own kind.
There may even be black lunatics or freaks who would fancy themselves prancing around wearing a KKK outfit or uniform with the swastika on it.
Maybe Obama even fantasizes about hanging black people by nooses.
I like black people.
Black people are cool!
Black people are great.
But now, white people don’t have to worry about Obama interfering with racial discrimination inflicted by white people against racial minorities while Obama is president of the United States.
It is practically just as bad as if the white supremacist at heart, George W. Bush, is still running the country.
For example, Bush murdered a black woman—Margie Schoedinger.
“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). Retrieved November 29, 2008, from http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).
Obama should have the guts to assemble workers from the FBI and/or one or more state attorney general offices and say something similar to the following:
“I, Obama, am the most powerful person in America now. Bush is no longer the president and thus no longer the most powerful person in America. I, Obama, am in control now. I, Obama, demand that the ultimate law-enforcement workers in this country investigate Bush and then proceed to have him locked away for life or executed for murdering the black woman—Margie Schoedinger. I, Obama, am black, and I find Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger to be personally offensive. I, Obama, feel it is once again like the time of slavery when white people killed black people with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court to stop it from happening or prosecute it. I, Obama, am not going to go around in the modern-day democracy feeling like a black slave of white people—especially while I am the president of the United States. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for murdering a black woman. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for racially discriminating against black people pursuant to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to supply financial rewards to the black people who were harmed by Bush’s racial discrimination and who are still alive. I, Obama, am taken aback by Bush having been so evil in wrongfully causing the deaths of so many black people pursuant to his racist response relative to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to take advantage of my time as a racial-minority president and not allow “Bush’s KKK-Neo-Nazi mentality” to rule over and oppress black people in America.”
Obama is not doing anything about Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger.
Obama has not given a penny to any black victims of Bush’s racial discrimination.
Obama needs to say: “I can change and act like a black person instead of disgracing myself all over the place!”
Obama needs to say: “Change—Yes I can!”
Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
February 23rd, 2009 at 8:33 pmB.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
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