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	<title>Comments on: Rush: I&#8217;m No Coward On Race, I Stood Up To Media&#8217;s &#8216;Slavish Coverage Of Black Quarterbacks&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: loxias</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wang111</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5515455</link>
		<dc:creator>Wang111</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush may be no coward on race, but Obama is.

Obama is a disgrace to black people.

Is Obama going to financially reward black Katrina victims for having been racially discriminated against by Bush?

Where is the money?

I don’t think Obama would have any problem, hypothetically, with slavery happening all over again.

Maybe one remembers that Kanye West said, “Bush doesn’t care about black people.”

We have uncovered something far more horrifying.

It is practically like Obama “doesn’t care about black people.” (And Obama is black.)

There are all sorts of personalities.

There actually are screwed up black people who secretly don’t like their own kind.

There may even be black lunatics or freaks who would fancy themselves prancing around wearing a KKK outfit or uniform with the swastika on it.

Maybe Obama even fantasizes about hanging black people by nooses.

I like black people.

Black people are cool!

Black people are great.

But now, white people don’t have to worry about Obama interfering with racial discrimination inflicted by white people against racial minorities while Obama is president of the United States.

It is practically just as bad as if the white supremacist at heart, George W. Bush, is still running the country.

For example, Bush murdered a black woman—Margie Schoedinger. 

“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). Retrieved November 29, 2008, from http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).

Obama should have the guts to assemble workers from the FBI and/or one or more state attorney general offices and say something similar to the following: 

“I, Obama, am the most powerful person in America now. Bush is no longer the president and thus no longer the most powerful person in America. I, Obama, am in control now. I, Obama, demand that the ultimate law-enforcement workers in this country investigate Bush and then proceed to have him locked away for life or executed for murdering the black woman—Margie Schoedinger. I, Obama, am black, and I find Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger to be personally offensive. I, Obama, feel it is once again like the time of slavery when white people killed black people with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court to stop it from happening or prosecute it. I, Obama, am not going to go around in the modern-day democracy feeling like a black slave of white people—especially while I am the president of the United States. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for murdering a black woman. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for racially discriminating against black people pursuant to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to supply financial rewards to the black people who were harmed by Bush’s racial discrimination and who are still alive. I, Obama, am taken aback by Bush having been so evil in wrongfully causing the deaths of so many black people pursuant to his racist response relative to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to take advantage of my time as a racial-minority president and not allow “Bush’s KKK-Neo-Nazi mentality” to rule over and oppress black people in America.”

Obama is not doing anything about Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger.

Obama has not given a penny to any black victims of Bush’s racial discrimination.

Obama needs to say: “I can change and act like a black person instead of disgracing myself all over the place!”

Obama needs to say: “Change—Yes I can!”

Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush may be no coward on race, but Obama is.</p>
<p>Obama is a disgrace to black people.</p>
<p>Is Obama going to financially reward black Katrina victims for having been racially discriminated against by Bush?</p>
<p>Where is the money?</p>
<p>I don’t think Obama would have any problem, hypothetically, with slavery happening all over again.</p>
<p>Maybe one remembers that Kanye West said, “Bush doesn’t care about black people.”</p>
<p>We have uncovered something far more horrifying.</p>
<p>It is practically like Obama “doesn’t care about black people.” (And Obama is black.)</p>
<p>There are all sorts of personalities.</p>
<p>There actually are screwed up black people who secretly don’t like their own kind.</p>
<p>There may even be black lunatics or freaks who would fancy themselves prancing around wearing a KKK outfit or uniform with the swastika on it.</p>
<p>Maybe Obama even fantasizes about hanging black people by nooses.</p>
<p>I like black people.</p>
<p>Black people are cool!</p>
<p>Black people are great.</p>
<p>But now, white people don’t have to worry about Obama interfering with racial discrimination inflicted by white people against racial minorities while Obama is president of the United States.</p>
<p>It is practically just as bad as if the white supremacist at heart, George W. Bush, is still running the country.</p>
<p>For example, Bush murdered a black woman—Margie Schoedinger. </p>
<p>“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). Retrieved November 29, 2008, from <a href="http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html)" rel="nofollow">http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html)</a>.</p>
<p>Obama should have the guts to assemble workers from the FBI and/or one or more state attorney general offices and say something similar to the following: </p>
<p>“I, Obama, am the most powerful person in America now. Bush is no longer the president and thus no longer the most powerful person in America. I, Obama, am in control now. I, Obama, demand that the ultimate law-enforcement workers in this country investigate Bush and then proceed to have him locked away for life or executed for murdering the black woman—Margie Schoedinger. I, Obama, am black, and I find Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger to be personally offensive. I, Obama, feel it is once again like the time of slavery when white people killed black people with no sheriff, prosecutor, or court to stop it from happening or prosecute it. I, Obama, am not going to go around in the modern-day democracy feeling like a black slave of white people—especially while I am the president of the United States. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for murdering a black woman. I, Obama, want Bush brought down for racially discriminating against black people pursuant to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to supply financial rewards to the black people who were harmed by Bush’s racial discrimination and who are still alive. I, Obama, am taken aback by Bush having been so evil in wrongfully causing the deaths of so many black people pursuant to his racist response relative to Hurricane Katrina. I, Obama, am going to take advantage of my time as a racial-minority president and not allow “Bush’s KKK-Neo-Nazi mentality” to rule over and oppress black people in America.”</p>
<p>Obama is not doing anything about Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger.</p>
<p>Obama has not given a penny to any black victims of Bush’s racial discrimination.</p>
<p>Obama needs to say: “I can change and act like a black person instead of disgracing myself all over the place!”</p>
<p>Obama needs to say: “Change—Yes I can!”</p>
<p>Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang<br />
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996<br />
Messiah College, Grantham, PA<br />
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5515455', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5512452</link>
		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 06:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;backup Says: 

I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, politics is all about opinion.  It&#039;s not like sports, where there&#039;s the score, there&#039;s who won, there&#039;s who lost.  In politics, whoever convinces you they won, wins.  People identify themselves and others by race, among other things.  Therefore, race is relevant to politics.  It is not relevant to sports.

Here&#039;s how you tell a token from a breakthrough achiever: ask yourself, is their achievement going to pave the way for other people of the same race/gender/etc in the future?  In this case, it&#039;s pretty certain that Michael Steele is only going to ever help one black man in his career: Michael Steele.  Check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/30/michael-steele-rnc-chairm_n_162589.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; out:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Steele defended former Gov. Bob Ehrlich&#039;s decision to hold a $100,000 fundraiser at a country club that did not allow non-white members, saying that the club&#039;s membership&#039;s policies were &quot;not an issue&quot; because &quot;I don&#039;t play golf.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Think about that.  He doesn&#039;t care about that country club&#039;s policies because he, personally, isn&#039;t interested in playing golf.  Screw everybody else, and screw whether their policy is morally defensible or not.

Someone with a minority background who accepts promotions in a group that maintains policies disenfranchising the group he&#039;s a member of, and who supports the system that disenfranchises everyone in that group except for him, is a token.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>backup Says: </p>
<p>I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.</em></p>
<p>Well, politics is all about opinion.  It&#8217;s not like sports, where there&#8217;s the score, there&#8217;s who won, there&#8217;s who lost.  In politics, whoever convinces you they won, wins.  People identify themselves and others by race, among other things.  Therefore, race is relevant to politics.  It is not relevant to sports.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how you tell a token from a breakthrough achiever: ask yourself, is their achievement going to pave the way for other people of the same race/gender/etc in the future?  In this case, it&#8217;s pretty certain that Michael Steele is only going to ever help one black man in his career: Michael Steele.  Check <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/30/michael-steele-rnc-chairm_n_162589.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> out:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Steele defended former Gov. Bob Ehrlich&#8217;s decision to hold a $100,000 fundraiser at a country club that did not allow non-white members, saying that the club&#8217;s membership&#8217;s policies were &#8220;not an issue&#8221; because &#8220;I don&#8217;t play golf.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Think about that.  He doesn&#8217;t care about that country club&#8217;s policies because he, personally, isn&#8217;t interested in playing golf.  Screw everybody else, and screw whether their policy is morally defensible or not.</p>
<p>Someone with a minority background who accepts promotions in a group that maintains policies disenfranchising the group he&#8217;s a member of, and who supports the system that disenfranchises everyone in that group except for him, is a token.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5512452', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: youtube</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5512265</link>
		<dc:creator>youtube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>being a racist too old for this world, if you are racist you are not belong in this world, be HUMAN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>being a racist too old for this world, if you are racist you are not belong in this world, be HUMAN.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5512265', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Yamunation</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5511732</link>
		<dc:creator>Yamunation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is really full of himself. You can&#039;t declare yourself full of high and mighty bravery! It&#039;s for &lt;strong&gt;others&lt;/strong&gt; to call you brave!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is really full of himself. You can&#8217;t declare yourself full of high and mighty bravery! It&#8217;s for <strong>others</strong> to call you brave!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5511732', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5511631</link>
		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a comment from the post:

&lt;strong&gt;Security for the Bush family costing Dallas more than $1 million annually.&lt;/strong&gt;

*

&lt;em&gt;BERT CONVY Says:


GAD! The Rapist and Chief and Her Thighness bought a mansion with the scam they did with the Secret Service after they carpetbagged their way into New York. We are actually paying for their palace and you demulous-porkulous-stimulus libby-loons are still throwing the mother of all hissy-fits about GW? Pull them panties out of that bunch and get over it.

*Yippie-Ki-Yay Democrappers

*Bert&lt;/em&gt;

*

and backup the concern troll has the 

supernatural gall to lecture us about &quot;dialogue&quot;.

*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a comment from the post:</p>
<p><strong>Security for the Bush family costing Dallas more than $1 million annually.</strong></p>
<p>*</p>
<p><em>BERT CONVY Says:</p>
<p>GAD! The Rapist and Chief and Her Thighness bought a mansion with the scam they did with the Secret Service after they carpetbagged their way into New York. We are actually paying for their palace and you demulous-porkulous-stimulus libby-loons are still throwing the mother of all hissy-fits about GW? Pull them panties out of that bunch and get over it.</p>
<p>*Yippie-Ki-Yay Democrappers</p>
<p>*Bert</em></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>and backup the concern troll has the </p>
<p>supernatural gall to lecture us about &#8220;dialogue&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;backup Says:
ElBruce. The problem may be that we too quickly chalk up differences of opinion to extreme bigotry.

I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.

Is that a legitimate possibility? That Republicans chose Steele as the chair, not because he is the most articulate and effective spokesman for republican ideals; but that he was given the job, because he was black?

If someone has that belief, do you try to stomp it out by calling that comment racist? Or do you engage in a conversation about Steele and his qualifications, the need for republicans to be more diverse, and the potential that we as a society are making judgements based on someone’s race.

I believe that stopping the conversation by chalking it up to racism, isn’t resolving the issues.&lt;/em&gt;

*

this one&#039;s easy.

prior to backup&#039;s comment

no one here mentioned michael steele&#039;s name.

so why did backup do it? to divert the subject

&lt;em&gt;away&lt;/em&gt; from limbauh. troll work, not dialogue.

*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>backup Says:<br />
ElBruce. The problem may be that we too quickly chalk up differences of opinion to extreme bigotry.</p>
<p>I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair. The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black. He was the Republican’s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.</p>
<p>Is that a legitimate possibility? That Republicans chose Steele as the chair, not because he is the most articulate and effective spokesman for republican ideals; but that he was given the job, because he was black?</p>
<p>If someone has that belief, do you try to stomp it out by calling that comment racist? Or do you engage in a conversation about Steele and his qualifications, the need for republicans to be more diverse, and the potential that we as a society are making judgements based on someone’s race.</p>
<p>I believe that stopping the conversation by chalking it up to racism, isn’t resolving the issues.</em></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>this one&#8217;s easy.</p>
<p>prior to backup&#8217;s comment</p>
<p>no one here mentioned michael steele&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>so why did backup do it? to divert the subject</p>
<p><em>away</em> from limbauh. troll work, not dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s my comment:

*

it isn’t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).

we’ve seen “compassionate conservatism”.

we’ve had eight years of a “uniter not a divider”.

your soft soap doesn’t sell because it’s the same

product with a different label. and spare us your bogus

piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture

(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for

over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less

“difficult dialogue” (who writes your material?) from the likes

of you.

*

here&#039;s backup&#039;s non-response:


&lt;em&gt;backup Says:
joe. Here’s Holder:

“It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation’s history, this is in some ways understandable. And yet if we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another — and tolerant enough of each other — to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us.”

I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date. I believe it is difficult to be tolerant. Dialogue is a conversation between two people. Two people that can have two different views. A tolerant consideration of two significantly different views is a ‘difficult dialogue’. Insisting that your view is the only one, is an easy lecture. I don’t think Holder was calling for an easy national lecture on race. I think he was calling for more difficult ‘frank conversations’.&lt;/em&gt;

*

backup&#039;s idea of &quot;dialogue&quot;?

he controls the agenda. disagree?

read the original post. how much

of backup&#039;s comments have been germane

to the original topic? it&#039;s a concern trolls task to 

derail the thread from that which threatens

the conservative movement&#039;s leading voice.

that&#039;s not dialogue.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s my comment:</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>it isn’t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).</p>
<p>we’ve seen “compassionate conservatism”.</p>
<p>we’ve had eight years of a “uniter not a divider”.</p>
<p>your soft soap doesn’t sell because it’s the same</p>
<p>product with a different label. and spare us your bogus</p>
<p>piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture</p>
<p>(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for</p>
<p>over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less</p>
<p>“difficult dialogue” (who writes your material?) from the likes</p>
<p>of you.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>here&#8217;s backup&#8217;s non-response:</p>
<p><em>backup Says:<br />
joe. Here’s Holder:</p>
<p>“It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation’s history, this is in some ways understandable. And yet if we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another — and tolerant enough of each other — to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us.”</p>
<p>I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date. I believe it is difficult to be tolerant. Dialogue is a conversation between two people. Two people that can have two different views. A tolerant consideration of two significantly different views is a ‘difficult dialogue’. Insisting that your view is the only one, is an easy lecture. I don’t think Holder was calling for an easy national lecture on race. I think he was calling for more difficult ‘frank conversations’.</em></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>backup&#8217;s idea of &#8220;dialogue&#8221;?</p>
<p>he controls the agenda. disagree?</p>
<p>read the original post. how much</p>
<p>of backup&#8217;s comments have been germane</p>
<p>to the original topic? it&#8217;s a concern trolls task to </p>
<p>derail the thread from that which threatens</p>
<p>the conservative movement&#8217;s leading voice.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s not dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: backup</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5511146</link>
		<dc:creator>backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ElBruce.  The problem may be that we too quickly chalk up differences of opinion to extreme bigotry.

I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair.  The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black.  He was the Republican&#039;s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.

Is that a legitimate possibility?  That Republicans chose Steele as the chair, not because he is the most articulate and effective spokesman for republican ideals; but that he was given the job, because he was black?

If someone has that belief, do you try to stomp it out by calling that comment racist?  Or do you engage in a conversation about Steele and his qualifications, the need for republicans to be more diverse, and the potential that we as a society are making judgements based on someone&#039;s race.

I believe that stopping the conversation by chalking it up to racism, isn&#039;t resolving the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ElBruce.  The problem may be that we too quickly chalk up differences of opinion to extreme bigotry.</p>
<p>I was on a thread about Michael Steele being picked as the RNC chair.  The idea that came up was that Steele was picked, not because he is the best candidate for the job, but because he was black.  He was the Republican&#8217;s answer to Obama and their lack of diversity.</p>
<p>Is that a legitimate possibility?  That Republicans chose Steele as the chair, not because he is the most articulate and effective spokesman for republican ideals; but that he was given the job, because he was black?</p>
<p>If someone has that belief, do you try to stomp it out by calling that comment racist?  Or do you engage in a conversation about Steele and his qualifications, the need for republicans to be more diverse, and the potential that we as a society are making judgements based on someone&#8217;s race.</p>
<p>I believe that stopping the conversation by chalking it up to racism, isn&#8217;t resolving the issues.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5511146', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jerseyboyblue</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5511147</link>
		<dc:creator>jerseyboyblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This racist druggie has the gall to hope that Obama failed, and then says that he is no racists? Give me a break, Limbaugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This racist druggie has the gall to hope that Obama failed, and then says that he is no racists? Give me a break, Limbaugh!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5511147', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ElBruce</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5511061</link>
		<dc:creator>ElBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;backup Says: 

I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date.&lt;/em&gt;

What you consider this &quot;dialogue&quot; to be is the argument that we&#039;ve all &lt;strong&gt;already been having&lt;/strong&gt; since the early 60&#039;s.  Arguing with extremist bigots is not the same thing as productive discussion.  

Please stop using Holder&#039;s remarks as justification to give legitimacy to bigots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>backup Says: </p>
<p>I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date.</em></p>
<p>What you consider this &#8220;dialogue&#8221; to be is the argument that we&#8217;ve all <strong>already been having</strong> since the early 60&#8217;s.  Arguing with extremist bigots is not the same thing as productive discussion.  </p>
<p>Please stop using Holder&#8217;s remarks as justification to give legitimacy to bigots.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5511061', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: backup</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5510997</link>
		<dc:creator>backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe.  Here&#039;s Holder:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation&#039;s history, this is in some ways understandable. And yet if we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another -- and tolerant enough of each other -- to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date.  I believe it is difficult to be tolerant.  Dialogue is a conversation between two people.  Two people that can have two different views.  A tolerant consideration of two significantly different views is a &#039;difficult dialogue&#039;.  Insisting that your view is the only one, is an easy lecture.  I don&#039;t think Holder was calling for an easy national lecture on race.  I think he was calling for more difficult &#039;frank conversations&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe.  Here&#8217;s Holder:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It is an issue we have never been at ease with and, given our nation&#8217;s history, this is in some ways understandable. And yet if we are to make progress in this area, we must feel comfortable enough with one another &#8212; and tolerant enough of each other &#8212; to have frank conversations about the racial matters that continue to divide us.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I get the impression from Holder that this dialogue would be more difficult than our less frank conversations to date.  I believe it is difficult to be tolerant.  Dialogue is a conversation between two people.  Two people that can have two different views.  A tolerant consideration of two significantly different views is a &#8216;difficult dialogue&#8217;.  Insisting that your view is the only one, is an easy lecture.  I don&#8217;t think Holder was calling for an easy national lecture on race.  I think he was calling for more difficult &#8216;frank conversations&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510997', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5510835</link>
		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;backup Says:
I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.

&lt;strong&gt;But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot. I just don’t think that does much to change the individual’s mindset.&lt;/strong&gt;

Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.

But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn’t address the root of the problems. Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.

Anyways, I know I’m outnumbered. So, I’ll let it go.&lt;/em&gt;

*

it isn&#039;t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).

we&#039;ve seen &quot;compassionate conservatism&quot;.

we&#039;ve had eight years of  a &quot;uniter not a divider&quot;.

your soft soap doesn&#039;t sell because it&#039;s the same

product with a different label. and spare us your bogus

piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture

(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for

over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less

&quot;difficult dialogue&quot; (&lt;em&gt;who writes your material?&lt;/em&gt;) from the likes

of you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>backup Says:<br />
I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.</p>
<p><strong>But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot. I just don’t think that does much to change the individual’s mindset.</strong></p>
<p>Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.</p>
<p>But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn’t address the root of the problems. Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.</p>
<p>Anyways, I know I’m outnumbered. So, I’ll let it go.</em></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>it isn&#8217;t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).</p>
<p>we&#8217;ve seen &#8220;compassionate conservatism&#8221;.</p>
<p>we&#8217;ve had eight years of  a &#8220;uniter not a divider&#8221;.</p>
<p>your soft soap doesn&#8217;t sell because it&#8217;s the same</p>
<p>product with a different label. and spare us your bogus</p>
<p>piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture</p>
<p>(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for</p>
<p>over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less</p>
<p>&#8220;difficult dialogue&#8221; (<em>who writes your material?</em>) from the likes</p>
<p>of you.</p>
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		<title>By: LizCoro</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many times did Oxi-pillboy play BARACK THE MAGIC NEGRO on the air???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many times did Oxi-pillboy play BARACK THE MAGIC NEGRO on the air???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510834', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: backup</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5510629</link>
		<dc:creator>backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.

But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot.  I just don&#039;t think that does much to change the individual&#039;s mindset.

Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.

But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn&#039;t address the root of the problems.  Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.

Anyways, I know I&#039;m outnumbered.  So, I&#039;ll let it go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.</p>
<p>But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot.  I just don&#8217;t think that does much to change the individual&#8217;s mindset.</p>
<p>Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.</p>
<p>But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn&#8217;t address the root of the problems.  Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.</p>
<p>Anyways, I know I&#8217;m outnumbered.  So, I&#8217;ll let it go.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510629', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: backup</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5510616</link>
		<dc:creator>backup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;don’t you

think he and his fellow trolls needs as much

help (maybe even more) as we do?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

joe.  you&#039;ve got a point here.  I was wrong the other day.  I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>don’t you</p>
<p>think he and his fellow trolls needs as much</p>
<p>help (maybe even more) as we do?</p></blockquote>
<p>joe.  you&#8217;ve got a point here.  I was wrong the other day.  I apologize.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510616', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: alpuz3</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/limbaugh-race-brave/comment-page-4/#comment-5510569</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP needs to figure out that the conservative thing was quite a few years ago. They got fired. They need to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP needs to figure out that the conservative thing was quite a few years ago. They got fired. They need to move on.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510569', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: drew3rd</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush needs to figure out that the Donovan McNabb thing was quite a few years ago. He got fired. He needs to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush needs to figure out that the Donovan McNabb thing was quite a few years ago. He got fired. He needs to move on.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510549', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robt Says: 

Rush,
There are many many white folk out here that do not care to claim you in their race.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I dont even want to claim him in my SPECIES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robt Says: </p>
<p>Rush,<br />
There are many many white folk out here that do not care to claim you in their race.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I dont even want to claim him in my SPECIES<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510536', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rush, 
     There are many many white folk out here that do not care to claim you in their race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rush,<br />
     There are many many white folk out here that do not care to claim you in their race.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5510532', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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